🕹・game-discussion

[nova mantle]

AJ you could check before entering the boss too so it's no trouble

[icy hollow]

yea erratic is fun

[jagged valve]

Can't do that on mobile

Also you just play what u get THEN it's fun

[nova mantle]

Amber acorn when I hold my xmult and place it to the right after the shuffle:

[magic stone]

nothing ever happens

[jagged valve]

Amber is the easiest boss ever you just look at the effects 🤡🤡

And move them to right

[nova mantle]

When I learned that tech with amber acorn I js laughed every time it's the finisher blind

[jagged valve]

Only missing Chicot rn

And some vouchers for Completionist

The Illusion

And the Merchant upgrades

The 2nd tier

[nova mantle]

Illusion is ass to get

[nova mantle]

Those you could easily get in zodiac deck tho

[jagged valve]

I just never got them for some reason

I forgot about Zodiac

[nova mantle]

Nvm I'm too slow to write

[oblique quartz]

if a black hole was somehow obtained in the consumable area, would observatory give x1.5 mult to all hands?

[jagged valve]

Should Nebula Deck be changed?

[nova mantle]

Cerulean bell tho, I don't remember it having killed me a single time

[jagged valve]

Has anyone ever got a soul or BH in the shop?

[oblique quartz]

no but IF it was possible

right

okay

[jagged valve]

Ghost Deck?

Oh Gosh what

[nova mantle]

Yup
Should be moved from the balatro folder to the trash bin folder

[jagged valve]

It doesn't appear on Ghost?

[glad sequoia]

Zodiac is one of my favorites. All the tarots

[jagged valve]

[oblique quartz]

it doesnt + afaik observatory says planet cards so it probably wouldnt work anyway

[vale shale]

Megg

[jagged valve]

I was more interested in the possibility of cloning Souls with Perkeo

[oblique quartz]

yeah that would be fun

[jagged valve]

Why don't they appear though?

Pack locked is wild

[nova mantle]

And it fucks up your shop unless youre running holo

[oblique quartz]

i think theyre like secret cards or something

im not sure

[nova mantle]

Worst voucher oat prize goes to:

[jagged valve]

It's impossible to get Soul on Consumable slot?

[oblique quartz]

yes

[jagged valve]

There should be a Spectral equivalent of Fool that's like just really rare

[glad sequoia]

Too powerful I guess

[oblique quartz]

doc was defending it with his life on the observatory run lol

[vale shale]

2nd Planet voucher!!

[glad sequoia]

I wish there was a fool spectral. Would be insanely good

[jagged valve]

Yeah

[oblique quartz]

you can watch the run, they appear

[lunar zealot]

Why does pareidolia only show up the moment i sell business card

[jagged valve]

Once you got a Soul and obtain a Perkeo, it's infinite Souls from there

[lunar zealot]

ts pmo

[jagged valve]

Just don't use any other Spectrals until you get it

It would probably be as rare as Soul though

[oblique quartz]

cant rn you just search up perkeo observatory dr spectred and go to one of like the later parts (he buys it in 1 or 2 part and there are 7)

[vale shale]

Guys obviously if something sucks, it sucks.

But if DrSpectred defends it, it's now obviously good.

[nova mantle]

Doc used to think obelisk was dog shit, everyone can make mistakes yk

[vale shale]

Like

Come onnnnnn

[vale shale]

Everyone did

[glad sequoia]

There should be a joker that lets you rip consumables from packs into your inventory

[jagged valve]

Obelisk is dogshit in most cases

[vale shale]

Not most

[oblique quartz]

he defended it for a very niche reason tho which was that you get more cards to death if you used too many hung men

[vale shale]

Some

[jagged valve]

Most to my experience atleasy

[glad sequoia]

I love my Obee

[oblique quartz]

infinite blackholes with perkeo in shambles rn

[nova mantle]

Which one? Planet tycoon?

[vale shale]

He's obviously saying it in a satirical way

[jagged valve]

Wym dawgg

[vale shale]

Is planet tycoon the upgraded version

[jagged valve]

That's impossibell

[oblique quartz]

just upgrade every hand 5 times per round by copying negative black holes

and select every card in deck to use burnt joker

[jagged valve]

Do we think new update would get new C++ requirements?

I mean that'd get consistently harder

[glad sequoia]

What like new stakes?

[jagged valve]

More jokers to get to gold stake

[dry remnant]

look at me go guys

[glad sequoia]

Oh yeah, definitely. I'm pretty sure thunk has confirmed he's been making new jokers in a journal

[jagged valve]

I want to get a Sandbox Deck

Where we can make our rules

[plucky shuttle]

Iirc, he was going to release like 2 more jokers

[jagged valve]

And gimmicks

[jagged valve]

Atleast 2

[plucky shuttle]

Just learn how to mod

[jagged valve]

2 would be diabolical

[jagged valve]

I'm on mobile

Sandbox Deck on vanilla would be great still

[glad sequoia]

I feel like with how long it's been in guessing one more page minimum with 15

[plucky shuttle]

Time to upgrade

[vale shale]

I need to buy balatro on pc before Thunk updates

[jagged valve]

My PC is ass

[acoustic kettle]

custom challenges is sandbox

[jagged valve]

And I prefer it on mobile anyways

[acoustic kettle]

if thunk adds that

[jagged valve]

Sandbox Deck would allow stakes though

[glad sequoia]

I want to spawn 100 perkeos, 100 turtle beans and 100 mimes

[jagged valve]

We should get both with different customization options

[glad sequoia]

And 100 barons

[jagged valve]

If only one, I still prefer the idea of a Sandbox Deck

I thought about this while I was half asleep

[acoustic kettle]

challenges with stakes

could be fun

[jagged valve]

LocalThunk cannot obligate me to Gold Stake Nebula Deck

For C+

This is inhumane

Why is there a person to love or hate anything here

And just make it their name lmaoo

I don't have a fav mechanic yet

[haughty widget]

tips on deck building for straights?

[narrow wadi]

getting rid of aces/ 2s helps, middle cards are the better ones in straights, u can generally draw 1.5 a round without any deck fixing tho

[river compass]

Uhm excusse me what the actua-

DUDE WWHAT THE

[jagged valve]

Partner mod ❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹

I want mods on mobile so bad

There needs to be support

[fading dome]

got a couple of mods there lol

[jagged valve]

Isn't that kinda sketchy tho

[lofty mist]

I require assistance

I really want a cat build

[tired kestrel]

Welcome to the steel club apparantly

[river compass]

This is a good negative?

[lofty mist]

JACK FUCKING POT

[jagged valve]

Thoughts on Chicot?

[narrow wadi]

i might be cooked

[haughty widget]

red

[river compass]

Father and Son ahh pack

[woven spire]

it’s free, take it

[narrow wadi]

like a- rank maybe

[jagged valve]

It's real nice

[woven spire]

always comes in the worst moment

[river compass]

My beloved!

[lunar zealot]

What the fuck happened bro

[jagged valve]

I saw someone suggesting a different mechanic for Chicot

[brave fox]

Chicot ain't the best legendary, but it ain't bad, let's you ignore all boss blinds but won't help with anything else

[jagged valve]

Reversing Boss Blind instead of Dissbling it

[woven spire]

you skip too much damn

[narrow wadi]

u have not seen how awful my shops have been lol, other than these 2 no good jokers, bad planets, bad tarot packs, no econ

[jagged valve]

Most should still stay at just disabled though

[woven spire]

what is that

[lunar zealot]

Literally one of the best jokers in the game already

anyone who thinks chicot is underpowered is an idiot

[grave hamlet]

first shop ride the bus, either this can be a really good ride the bus run

or i can just ignore it and go on with my day

[lunar zealot]

plain and simple

[jagged valve]

Negative Chicot is the best thing ever

[narrow wadi]

u always take it, top 3 first shop jokers imo

[river compass]

Partner mod, Is like a little buff, or mini version of jokers

[lunar zealot]

I mean if you're on gold stake you take it and if not then not

[grave hamlet]

everyone knows it's op, but it's annoying and just takes a huge fun factor away

[woven spire]

as long as it isn’t cryptid

[river compass]

Is not that OP, most of them requiers to pay money

[lunar zealot]

don't you people like flush photochad baron/mime

[grave hamlet]

yk cryptid is one of the more tame mods right

[brave fox]

Having negative on a chicot is crazy

[lunar zealot]

chicot just means you don't lose your flush photochad baron/mime runs to stupid boss blinds

[grave hamlet]

yeah, alot of pinging is more fun than 0 bosses 😭

[woven spire]

yh

[lunar zealot]

not like soul helps much on those runs

at best trib is bis for photochad for the sock flush five pivot

and perkeo naneinf on baron/mime

but like

even still

[woven spire]

negative rocket might be the best econ too

[jagged valve]

Frr

[lunar zealot]

i mean rebate exists

[jagged valve]

Not certain

I prefer steady

[woven spire]

if it isn’t negative, yes rebate is better, but negative rocket is the goat

[grave hamlet]

W early set up

[lunar zealot]

base rebate is still better than negative rocket

purely because of the fact that rebate is simply that good

[jagged valve]

Rocket gets insane

[woven spire]

frr

[lunar zealot]

smug wtf is taking you so long to type

[woven spire]

lol

[lofty mist]

WHERE ARE YOU ECTO😭🙏

[lament bronze]

BORN TO [GAME OVER]
WORLD IS A ʷᵉ ᶠᵒˡᵈᵉᵈ ˡᶦᵏᵉ ᵃ ᶜʰᵉᵃᵖ ˢᵘᶦᵗᵎ
道化 MULT THEM ALL
I am score man
420,757,864,530 DEAD BARONS

[jagged valve]

Money Treee

[lofty mist]

The bait looks so good my god

[woven spire]

don’t forget to copy perkeo

[lofty mist]

Its fucking haunting me dawg😭🙏

[jagged valve]

Who here has naneinf'd

[jagged valve]

Bait is haunting you

[vocal rose]

hi

[lunar zealot]

what

you take brainstorm here

don't tell me you still haven't gotten idol online yet

[narrow wadi]

unseeded only once, i reset for round 1 perkeo just to do it once, it's not how i rly like to play the game tho

[lunar zealot]

ante 10 with perkeo

[narrow wadi]

ante 10 is crazy

[vocal rose]

not naneinf

[narrow wadi]

ohhh

[lunar zealot]

i got unseeded naneinf around ante 14

[narrow wadi]

getting idol online lol

[narrow wadi]

mine was ante 17 i think

[lunar zealot]

i got the a1 perkeo after literally 1 reset

[fading cobalt]

10 cards left in my deck and they're all fucking aces....

[narrow wadi]

i spent half an hour resetting lol

[lunar zealot]

i didn't even use brainstorm mod

[river compass]

This is crazy

[fading cobalt]

I hate this fucking game

[river compass]

Money!

[fading cobalt]

Of all the ways I die its cuz I didn't draw a single ace out of a 45 card deck with 6 aces

[haughty widget]

what the fuck am i alt tabbing to

[river compass]

MY LUCKIEST RUN WTF

[grave hamlet]

random question, if i play a stoned jack does it reset ride the bus?

[pale wolf]

when you copy photo, you get 2 scoring triggers on the initial card trigger

[narrow wadi]

no

[acoustic kettle]

i don't think so

[haughty widget]

OH

[pale wolf]

so you end up with 2^6 instead of 2^5

[grave hamlet]

i assumed so but yeah

[haughty widget]

OH THAT CHECKS OUT TY

TY*

fml i spelled it right the first time

[river compass]

Nope

[pale wolf]

right*

[grave hamlet]

yeah you wanna copy photo first and then if you get blueprint you wanna copy hanging chad

can confirm, doesn't reset if it's stone

[narrow wadi]

using tower on face cards is great with rtb ngl, it's like a card buff and a card removal in one

[pale wolf]

That would be so awful

[grave hamlet]

yeah and it's op cause 50 chips on a + mult build is easy ante 8 win

[pale wolf]

😭

[grave hamlet]

especially if it's one you get in a shop and not turned yourself

[pale wolf]

usually I won't take a stone card from the shop unless it has a seal or edition

[jagged valve]

What cards have no synergies yet

Aces, 7s?

[pale wolf]

7 only has todd and every other rank has at least 1 joker

[acoustic kettle]

7s should have more yea

[narrow wadi]

or with the joker that gives chips for each stone card i guess, it's kinda marginal here but probably a good thing, or hologram i guess lol

[acoustic kettle]

lucky 7s

[grave hamlet]

me either, i usally skip in general if it doesn't have a blue, purple, or gold seal

[jagged valve]

Todd is really weak though

[pale wolf]

incorrect

but sevens should have more yeah

seeing double used to be the seventh Joker before it got changed in development, which is why the unlocked condition involves sevens

[narrow wadi]

todd is like 60 chips for an odd pair, that's a good benefit to an easy condition

[jagged valve]

The soundtrack references it

7/4

[pale wolf]

if there is a sevens Joker added in the future I don't think it will be related to slot machines or jackpot or anything like that because of rating issues

they already struggled to make balatro not 18 plus on YouTube because it resembles gambling

[acoustic kettle]

make 7s lucky

[narrow wadi]

as an innate card buff this is pretty cool, as a joker this is weak af

[jagged valve]

Yeah maybe a joker that triples chances for 7s specifically

[lament bronze]

this thing is too damn small an too big at the same time

[jagged valve]

Like an oops all 6 just for sevens

[lament bronze]

any addition looks big enough to cover the shit underneath and small enough to be incomprehensible

[narrow wadi]

still pretty weak, oops is an ok joker not very good and making it better with such a huge condition makes it worse imo

[jagged valve]

150 jokers seem perfect already

[pale wolf]

A has fib and scholar, K has baron and trib, Q has stm and trib, J has htr, 10walkie cloud9 8ball 6thsense 4walkie 2wee
7, 5, and 3 dont have any specific jokers for them

[acoustic kettle]

lucky 7s is x20 mult or +200 dollars instead

[pale wolf]

5 and 3 get hacked which maybe makes up for it

[acoustic kettle]

[pale wolf]

Wait I'm stupid Fibonacci

[narrow wadi]

fibb for 5 and 3, and hack i guess

[lament bronze]

5 an 3 get hack and fibonnaci

thats it tbh

[crystal field]

5 3 odd todd

[lament bronze]

they also suck but not that badly

[pale wolf]

I wasn't counting the retrigger Jokers but yeah I just forgot Fibonacci for those and eight

[narrow wadi]

fibb is pretty good ngl

[jagged valve]

Better for lucky cards

Or maybe

[lament bronze]

it is but we talking ranks

[jagged valve]

A joker that instantly turns 7s into lucky cards

[narrow wadi]

ah ok

[jagged valve]

Like Midas Mask

[crystal field]

bidas bask for 7s

[lament bronze]

didnt the beta already have that

[jagged valve]

Idk

[lament bronze]

no the 7s joker was see2

[jagged valve]

Never seen the beta

[lament bronze]

and it only worked for 4 of a kind of clubs 7s lmao

[narrow wadi]

still pretty weak, it's only 1/13 cards in an unedited deck, ur spending multiple rounds to get 4 lucky cards while spending money and using a joker slot

[crystal field]

lucky 67

[jagged valve]

Weak by itself

[lament bronze]

at least midas has 3 ranks that work and those 3 ranks also coincidentally have some of the better interactions with being left alone

[jagged valve]

You need synergies and other jokers of courae

[river compass]

squash the images, It doesnt matter that you squash them

[lament bronze]

(Unless photochad)

[jagged valve]

Barely any cards are good by themselves

I don't rlly see ur point

[narrow wadi]

the amount of conditions required to make it even remotely usable makes it nearly completely unviable

[pale wolf]

no it was like trib but for only 7 of clubs

[lament bronze]

IM TYING BUT THE TEXT TOO BIG AND TOO SMALL AT THE SAME TIME

[river compass]

I'm a real joker, what's your excuse?

[grave hamlet]

is ride the bus played or scored face cards?

[narrow wadi]

scored

[acoustic kettle]

scored

[pale wolf]

scored, you can play them as dead cards

[crystal field]

yes

[jagged valve]

That's true for a few jokers we already have

[crystal field]

i love the bus

[grave hamlet]

alright good was doing high card ace with them😭

[lament bronze]

b-b-but every joker has a nieche!!!

[narrow wadi]

adding another unusable joker like this is not improving the game though, i do like the idea of a joker that does something lucky with 7s but ur idea would need to be wayyy stronger

[river compass]

I always wonder, did someone did a "J" Run? 🤔

[crystal field]

wdym

[jagged valve]

With deck fixing you can make it good quickly enough

[river compass]

Like using only J cards

[grave hamlet]

W

[jagged valve]

Jacks

[crystal field]

jacks?

[lament bronze]

see you just have to worship it like a god and have it since round 1 and change your playstyle fully to make it useable! its a skill issue if you cant, doc tol me

[river compass]

Yep

[crystal field]

jacks are the best face cards cuz U can strength ur 10s into more jacks

[narrow wadi]

not rly, ur having a condition of deck fixing to 7s with a very small payoff, generally while deck fixing ur deck fixing towards ur already enhanced cards

[grave hamlet]

genuinely probably photochad better but ill play a build i usually don't

[jagged valve]

It's good for runs where you are already going for sevens

[pale wolf]

and the worst part is that you only need 5 base mult for it to be better

[cursive prairie]

mid

[narrow wadi]

even here it's still quite bad

[grave hamlet]

i have scholar so we chillin on that front

[jagged valve]

Chance of 20 mult or $20 doesn't seem like small payoff

[lament bronze]

jacks are real good yes, especially playing them, queens and kings barely get by with their jokers if you convert so much to them

[pale wolf]

wouldnt really help for photochad but i get it

[grave hamlet]

i could do flush house with 3 poly aces and then some kings

[lament bronze]

who is EVER playing 7s before finding it bro

[jagged valve]

When you get a good seven in a standard pack

And ur run has no direction

[narrow wadi]

i mean that ur deck fixing ur already enhanced cards generally, 2 magicians gives u the best possible outcome for the joker, ur not gonna add new 7s that aren't already enhanced

[grave hamlet]

ik iom saying just an extra 2x mult

[pale wolf]

I mean sometimes you just end up building a weird rank

[grave hamlet]

oops

accidentally reset it

[jagged valve]

Sometimes yall forget the game's balancing only really matters until ante 8

[lament bronze]

a good 7 that... will get overriden into a lucky card...

[grave hamlet]

ggs bye ride the bus

[lament bronze]

yeah...

[uncut matrix]

7 is the worst one to go for lowkey

[pale wolf]

[jagged valve]

Atleast from what we've seen

It's the intended game loop

[lament bronze]

even in its best conditions the joker actively hinders an already existing 7s run

[grave hamlet]

HELLO BLOODSTONE

[crystal field]

im so mad rn

😔

[jagged valve]

Poly red seal wouldn't be erased

[lunar zealot]

who is 'yall'

[grave hamlet]

IM NOT

[narrow wadi]

i'm not saying it's not a cool idea (it is), it is just beyond awful, i think it might be ok if there was another thing it did

[lunar zealot]

bro is preaching to the choir

[grave hamlet]

i had an oops all sixes sitting in wait 😭

[lament bronze]

and then the lucky car does nun!!!

[lament bronze]

this is THE place where we make fun of nanlets

[indigo elbow]

does this have the legs to win a run? (with a 2nd multi joker)

[potent tree]

good morning balatronians

[lunar zealot]

Yes you need +chips now

[grave hamlet]

you probaby don't even need a 2nd mult joker

[lunar zealot]

on gold stake you might need another xmult joker

[lament bronze]

ye but bootstraps is a pretty bad mult joker, holds you back from finingbetter ones

[potent tree]

what deck

[lunar zealot]

because this still loses to vessel and heart

[pale wolf]

In my most recent game I ended up with a plurality of 7s at one point (had odd todd and needed chips for red card) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379214645742796911/1440873474326532126/screen-20251119-201323.mp4?ex=6920663e&is=691f14be&hm=cd4e2b07d546f42ba74ccf0cb1314d65ebd4468625315a3d4869073c4ec2fb16&

[lament bronze]

with the deckfixing you are managing with trading card though I think 4oak is more than enough

also feeds vamp way more

[grave hamlet]

make sure you keep it that order so you can end with gold cards and free moneys and you win

[lament bronze]

an has a good chunk of mult an chips natively

[lofty mist]

What now showman shenanigans ?

[pale wolf]

eventually i strengthed some 5s to stay alive for obelisk but I did have a bunch of 7

[jagged valve]

How can it be cool and also beyond awful lmao

What are you trying to say

[pale wolf]

hiker is a cool idea and not very good

those are separate concepts

[narrow wadi]

cool concept, unusable in game

[lament bronze]

sounds nice but even on paper it is terrible for the game

[lunar zealot]

Midas mask is a cool idea and is fucking amazing

[crystal field]

should there be a mult hiker

[lament bronze]

it just sounsd nice

[jagged valve]

[crystal field]

lowkey mult hiker sounds

[lament bronze]

it has a lot of flavor because lucky 7s

[crystal field]

dangerous

[pale wolf]

i think zoahls idea is to just also add +1 mult

[jagged valve]

Uh mult cards

[haughty widget]

nutty

[lunar zealot]

I love having an even more esoteric supernova

[pale wolf]

One you can copy

[lament bronze]

apart from retriggers mult hiker is ass and worse than every single mult jonkler

[crystal field]

i would say +2 as thats most balanced to +15chips

[jagged valve]

What would yall suggest then for a lucky 7 joker

[pale wolf]

That is not what hiker does?????

[lofty mist]

We sell perk here?

[pale wolf]

hiker is +5

[crystal field]

Oh 😭

[lunar zealot]

x4 mult if the values of the cards add up to 21

[crystal field]

then it should give less than +1 mult

LMAO

[pale wolf]

+15 hiker holy fuck give me it

instant foils on chad

[crystal field]

can u tell i never think about hiker

[jagged valve]

Bonus card and foil found dead

[lunar zealot]

values

[pale wolf]

silly

[lament bronze]

Hiker PR team (Doc) so good it actively makes people lie on its name

[lunar zealot]

not +chips

[pale wolf]

ranks

[crystal field]

what this mean

[haughty widget]

update, i drew 0 face cards on the next blind and lost

[pale wolf]

doc historically overrates hiker

[lunar zealot]

I forgot the word

[lament bronze]

Agenda

[jagged valve]

Seems nice actually

[crystal field]

doc has questionable taste in certain jokers for sure

[manic talon]

its basically just bloodstone

[pale wolf]

when hiker was +1 he said it was already really good and would be broken at +5

[lunar zealot]

BASEBAL

[pale wolf]

which maybe that's true for his brain

[lunar zealot]

BADBEBAL

BABSBEBAL

BADEBAK

[pale wolf]

but I don't think anybody can play like that

[lunar zealot]

BBABSEKAL

[crystal field]

hiker is maybe good on abandoned deck

maybe

[narrow wadi]

my econ is fixed!

[lunar zealot]

YEEEAAAAAAHHHH BASEBALL

[manic talon]

there was a 1X hologram too before i sold it for leaf

[pale wolf]

hiker gets underrated by skilled players imo

[jagged valve]

Negative Hiker can be ok since it's not taking any actual space and just passively increasing some chips

[cursive prairie]

but $4

[jagged valve]

Does cloned cards keep the hiker bonus?

[narrow wadi]

yes

[pale wolf]

its not a good pick but it can have a big impact on a run

[serene forge]

I hate Photograph

[white zodiac]

yes but dna sort of fucks with the hiker timing

[lunar zealot]

Maybe if you don't skip you could afford it

[crystal field]

i def underrate it like i dont think id ever take it unless im already:
playing big hands
some kind of retrigger
small enough deck for it to matter

[lunar zealot]

Just throwing that out there

[pale wolf]

I assume they mean death more often

[lament bronze]

Doc is undoubtedly one of the best players of this game and outautisms me regarding the funny cards game but cmon im tired of people taking every single opinion he spews out as preaching divine law and seeing a random joker EVERYONE clowned on 3 days ago suddenly have a whole cabal of bloodsucking lunatics acting like they were it's biggest fans before Doc made another WR that will be broken and forgotten about in 4 days

[crystal field]

which by that point

shouldnt my chips be solved

[white zodiac]

I looked into any form of clone

[pale wolf]

wut

was there a hiker video or something

I haven't been keeping up with the university for the past couple weeks

[grave hamlet]

is fib better than scholar with bloodstone?

[lunar zealot]

Doc more like rock

[lament bronze]

entire WR that got outpaced in a week, but its pretty old, hiker isnt really the most outrageous example

[lunar zealot]

haha

[pale wolf]

yes

[manic talon]

hiker is so annoying and clunky, the fact that you dont get its value the same round except if you have retrigger kinda blows

[lament bronze]

its more a tendency for everyone to just

switch up without even using the joker

[lunar zealot]

Fibo is better than scholar just in general

[pale wolf]

I'm a little confused at what this means

[grave hamlet]

plasma

[lunar zealot]

??????

[lofty mist]

Do i have to sell cat 🙁

[lunar zealot]

???????

[crystal field]

not good on plasma

[lament bronze]

He made a few videos trying to get the highest hiker amount

[grave hamlet]

ik but im saying it's better than fib on plasma that's it

[lament bronze]

then people switched up in how they saw hiker for like

4 days only

[lunar zealot]

no not really

[pale wolf]

who outpaced him or

[lament bronze]

then some ranom took the wr a few ays later

[pale wolf]

ooh okay

[lunar zealot]

scholar is only ever used on plasma ante 1 and 2

[white zodiac]

plasma values consistency where fib does something better even in that turf

[lament bronze]

and nobody cared afterwards

[pale wolf]

yea hiker is funny I only knew about his beta opinions on pre-patch hiker

[white zodiac]

not even ante 1 lmao

[lunar zealot]

fibo gives lots of +mult for the pivot

[white zodiac]

yeah 32 flat score is plentiful in terms of raw score

[crystal field]

maybe hiker can make sense on a good erratic deck

[pale wolf]

hiker makes sense anywhere, just not a lot of sense and hes easily replaced

[lament bronze]

like yeah, Doc says objectively true stuff most of the time, but sometimes he recommends a joker only he can hyperfocus on randomly without dying and people act like they can all do that and what he is doing isnt niche and just playing for funsies

[manic talon]

hiker is pretty good on checkered, but i still hate that shit

[heady narwhal]

"+2 chips hiker would be more powerful than runner" -balala uniersity

[pale wolf]

wasn't runner even better then, too?

[crystal field]

thats a take

[lament bronze]

hes never bad and doesnt ask you to change your playstyle at all, unlike other jokers that demand deckfixing

[lunar zealot]

The median balatro player is unable to read and is thus unable to think critically

[white zodiac]

+5 runner or some shit

[pale wolf]

oh jeez

[jagged valve]

Who uses runner

[pale wolf]

I mean that's maybe a take

[heady narwhal]

i'm not sure... i'm guessing it was +10 per straight but started at +20, which is iirc the 1.0 version

[white zodiac]

oh nvm

[lament bronze]

the only moment they can read is when you call them out for saying Doc's words verbatim on something they say its their opinion

[lunar zealot]

are you done ragebaiting

[manic talon]

well if runner is only +5, a +2 chip hiker would be better

[crystal field]

doesnt hiker like a smaller deck anyway? doesnt hiker benefit from cutting deck down significantly

[jagged valve]

I'm not ragebaiting I'm asking lol

[lunar zealot]

sure

runner is good

[pale wolf]

call me crazy but i think +5 hiker would be better than +1 runner

[heady narwhal]

so if hiker was +6 it'd be better than runner?

[crystal field]

i love runner

[lunar zealot]

fucking bidding war LMAO

[jagged valve]

I don't think I ever ragebait here I'm just a new player and I genuinely don't know how most of the game works

[pale wolf]

it helps, but I don't think hiker is the sort of Joker that you focus your deck fixing/drawing towards much

unless you have photo chad and you can turn one card into a chip bomb

[heady narwhal]

it's my #1 most used joker

it's very good on pair runs

[lunar zealot]

not rebate? 💔 #notmyjmibo

[jagged valve]

I mostly say stuff to learn when people prove me wrong (which is very effective since people love doing that here)

[crystal field]

maybe hiker comes second then like once ur deck is small enough a hiker can put in some work for a little after deckfixing ?

[white zodiac]

this is correct

[pale wolf]

my #1 used is chad and will always be chad

[tidal anvil]

yo, hows everyone doing?

[pale wolf]

because chad is awesome

[lament bronze]

benefits, but unlike other jokers like I dunno, stm or htr that ask you to fix onto a rank to even be useable, he just tells you to keep playing because going for your trump cards is something you want to o

[heady narwhal]

i can't lie i hate rebate so much. like it's the best econ joker in the game but sometimes i just don't feel like running it lmao

[manic talon]

maybe on checkered

[crystal field]

well stm and htr are not great either

[lunar zealot]

i prefer midas for one reason

[crystal field]

stm is good for earlygame

[lunar zealot]

Midas is a fucking UNCOMMON BABYYYYYYY

MY GOATTTTT

[white zodiac]

I get reality checked when I see it

[white zodiac]

excuse me

[heady narwhal]

stm is ok for earlygame and ok for lategame

[lament bronze]

yes but thats not the point, my point is that he doesnt ask anything from you or to change your style to have it be usable

[grave hamlet]

🙏

[manic talon]

rebate is just too good man, you have to take it even though its a perishable rental

[pale wolf]

and mid game
and late game

[manic talon]

its that insane

[lunar zealot]

my goat baseball card

[heady narwhal]

it's not particularly good for either case but very few jokers can be used in both

[lament bronze]

which is fine, he just doesnt do enough of anything to keep him if better things are found

[lunar zealot]

if rebate were uncommon it would be top 1 joker

because of bbc synergy

[crystal field]

ehh yeah

[pale wolf]

lmfao

[lament bronze]

Thunk suggesting chad be uncommon as if that isnt bbc upscale

[grave hamlet]

and remember copying it is compatible

[crystal field]

like you can make it a stm run

but why would I do that

[jagged valve]

Irony = funny 🥀

[crystal field]

when other scaling +mult exists and is easy to find

depends on what u get ig

[heady narwhal]

you don't always find scaling +mult

[pale wolf]

when you dont

[lunar zealot]

I got c++ with baron/mime

[heady narwhal]

this is an entirely serious sentiment

[lament bronze]

when you dont and when you need explosive growth

[heady narwhal]

runner is a very good pairs joker

[white zodiac]

send a message

[pale wolf]

also bc stm is a biiiig chunk of scoring that mostly lets you focus on value gen

[manic talon]

STM mime is like baron mime if it was good

[crystal field]

hey im all for supporting women ❤️

[lament bronze]

sure it doesnt get to the millions without steel or mime but who needs that much when you want to win

will you fault poor grimbo here because he cant reach e alone?

[jagged valve]

I'm funny I make u laugh

[lament bronze]

of course not, hes there for winning

[crystal field]

ig what ill say i think stm is definitely the best of the jokers that care about singular ranks

[heady narwhal]

i prefer cloud 9 and wee

[manic talon]

yes, he will be given no sympathy

[crystal field]

i forgot about cloud 9 actually

[jagged valve]

Fibweehackchad

[white zodiac]

queens are one of the better ranks to insert gold or blue seals so you're often wanting to use a black suit queen for the amount of joker openings you can play towards. stm is a run enabler without much secondary detriment (still need safer primary mult option ofc)

[haughty widget]

i support men bc im kinda fruity like that

[white zodiac]

for it's rarity it's one of the most frequent options

[jagged valve]

How many months from 0% to C++ for you guys

[heady narwhal]

this isn't why i like woker

[lament bronze]

Cloud 9 is the kid golden joker thinks he is. BBC value, $7 (Golden joker costs a whooping $6 whole, cold hard earned american dollars), starts at the same rate as golden but skyrockets if you just forsake 8ball (you were going to do that anyways)

[crystal field]

i support ur views

[jagged valve]

I didn't say it was

[crystal field]

for me looking like 5-6 months or so

[pale wolf]

wet joker

[jagged valve]

Splash

[crystal field]

i dont play too often in fairness

[lament bronze]

who told Golden he can be twice as costly as the lesser commons? Hes not that guy

[manic talon]

if you build for 8 ball youll get 20 hermits every round (not clickbait)

[white zodiac]

wetness

[crystal field]

golden joker pays for itself pretty easily tho

[lament bronze]

he doesnt even help you reach an interest treshold on payout and it even has the gall to pay you AFTER interest is already calculate

[lament bronze]

the god forsaken rebate costing $5:

[heady narwhal]

perishable is my favorite sticker

[grave hamlet]

2 rounds

[manic talon]

rebate is rebate, we dont talk about rebate

[white zodiac]

ttm being cheaper and has a better expected outcome

[craggy star]

Should I sell mine and get invis here to reroll for duped blueprint or brainstorm? I do need to get a boss blind reroll joker before boss blind bc it’s the plant so I might just go for that

[lament bronze]

2 rounds when everyone else pays back in the same or even quicker

[crystal field]

ttm is also uncommon

[lament bronze]

and also when some others with the same output help prior to interest

[heady narwhal]

i hate ttm so much

[lament bronze]

ergo making nearly twice as much

much more just

[white zodiac]

ttm is a quirky one

[lament bronze]

6 dollars bro

[white zodiac]

why is it 5 bucks

[crystal field]

all are better than satellite

[heady narwhal]

most econ jokers are good at saving you from neverending debt but as soon as you fall below interest ttm just abandons you

[lament bronze]

if I cant bring the overachieving kid you cant bring up the 0.1 gpa kid

thats not fair

[crystal field]

ttm with mony tree is fun

im almost always willing to drop $6 on golden boy

[manic talon]

ttm doesnt do much early, which is usually when you would want an econ joker, also still cost 5 dollars so it by itself knocks you down 1 interest value

[crystal field]

not if ur above interest cap after purchase tbf

also think its so funny that ttm does nothing on green deck

love her

[narrow wadi]

just opened an elden ring pack, had no idea it existed but in japan if something is popular then there is a pack for it

i got vyke

[heady narwhal]

balatro protip: interest is winmore. don't use it

[white zodiac]

ttm would fly in business class sitting in the middle seat while golden would be in economy and be sitting in the window/aisle

[manic talon]

its hard to get 25 dollars, let alone 30 early game, like when you find golden joker/cloud 9 you can just buy it and get 4 dollars, with TTM you need to buy it, wait until you get to interest, then get full value from it, kinda like rocket but rocket doesnt depend on your econ and the ceiling is much higher

[narrow wadi]

what is ttm?

[pale wolf]

ttm should give triple interest

[white zodiac]

to the moon

[manic talon]

to the moon

[crystal field]

yelow deck

[pale wolf]

but only for the first $25

[narrow wadi]

ah ok

ttm is a decent joker cos it's an econ joker imo, idk if there are any bad econ jokers

[manic talon]

green deck, cancels out

[crystal field]

i dont find it that hard to get to $30

[cursive prairie]

i didn't skip tontito de mierda

[white zodiac]

del grat is about as bad as it gets

[crystal field]

usually there by ante 3

[pale wolf]

delayed gratification actively can kill you if you dont pay attention

[cursive prairie]

if it was skip it would be free

[crystal field]

i miss my discard ….

[narrow wadi]

oh yeah except for delayed gratification lol, it's still kinda fine tho, there are decent use cases

[heady narwhal]

i don't like satellite

[pale wolf]

rental satellite

[white zodiac]

wahh

[pale wolf]

satellite isnt bad just unsafisfying

[narrow wadi]

satellite isn't great imo, but it's still decent, idt anything that gives u money is just bad

[heady narwhal]

satellite is perishableable which i think is silly

[vale shale]

Satellite maybe

[pale wolf]

yes.

[white zodiac]

satellite is never the expected amount I want upon seeing it

[pale wolf]

but also, imagine non-retroactive satellite

[vale shale]

Matador arguably. But in some cases free 32 dollars.

[manic talon]

still means it only gets its value ante 3+, while other econ jokers has a headstart (except satellite, wtf is wrong with that)

[grave hamlet]

i love me a parking pass + oops all 6s

[cursive prairie]

which one

[heady narwhal]

i love me a parking

[manic talon]

that shit is +1 dollar max

[primal grotto]

just beat cruelty with spare trousers

[grave hamlet]

depends on what you want, face cards or dig for 2 retrig

[crystal field]

well rocket too and how much is cloud 9?

[manic talon]

sock into pareidolia trust

[heady narwhal]

both sell for $3

[crystal field]

only case is for ttm since its $5

or

gilded jerker

[grave hamlet]

😭

[viral raft]

Greedy joker without the joker

[manic talon]

you get the 4 dollars instantly with cloud 9, even if youre at 7 dollars exactly, and rocket gets way higher than only +5 (money seed isnt guaranteed)

[viral raft]

idk i was boring

[heady narwhal]

idk sock and throwback both suck ass. i guess sock gives chips early

[grave hamlet]

just pure biblical greed 😭

[modest spade]

😰 chat is this real

[pale wolf]

non-retroactive +$2 satellite when

[grave hamlet]

AHA 😭

[primal grotto]

Throwback is probably better if you've already done some skips but with wee joker sock and buskin sucks unless you get pareidolia

[heady narwhal]

shit

[viral raft]

Hi Arach

[modest spade]

Hi!!!

[viral raft]

yep

[cursive prairie]

i have x1.5

[viral raft]

how are you going?

[pale wolf]

who be taking rental rocket

[tidal anvil]

liquidation

[crystal field]

the annoying thing about rocket is it takes about an ante and a half to pay itself and then slowly starts to actually affect your econ for one of ur joker slots

[haughty widget]

we got plans

[grave hamlet]

try to skip on beneficial stuff and try to make more 2s and you should be able to win

[narrow wadi]

i've taken rental perishable golden joker before lol

[tidal anvil]

that's just liquidation messing with you

[cursive prairie]

ye

[crystal field]

rocket really is something u gotta hang onto for longer than i like

[grave hamlet]

you could say you got the blueprints of the run

[pale wolf]

that's correct tho

just objectively

[narrow wadi]

ik it's just a funny joker given it's a net +1 per round

[pale wolf]

sometimes plus zero

[manic talon]

yea but later in the run you can just use all your money every round and still be rich

[narrow wadi]

ye lol, only 1/5 of the time tho tbf

wait

2/5

wait no

1/5

i'm dumb

[latent frigate]

Potentialy +0 because intrest

[cloud sinew]

on blue or yellow I be

[crystal field]

whats the cap for rocket by ante 8 like +$17?

[white zodiac]

it's plus 0/-1 dollar net upon purchase

[primal grotto]

Remember perishable golden joker does nothing on its last round

[crystal field]

so you can spend $17 each shop freely from rocket by ante 8

[cursive prairie]

what should i pick (colorchad main)

[narrow wadi]

isn't held assets kinda part of your money though? the sell for $1 is part of your networth so i would probably say 0/1

[manic talon]

i took rental rocket on checkered sometimes, if its ante 1 and on shop, or ante 2 on big blind shop

[white zodiac]

then +1/0 every round for 4 rounds

[white zodiac]

you're paying a dollar to buy the rental on the same round

and perishable only makes it work for 4 rounds

as a heartfelt scam

[cursive prairie]

2 ballot for the small joker?

[narrow wadi]

ur paying a dollar to get a dollar worth of assets, obviously the interest can make u go down a dollar but i wouldn't say the sale price is losing u a dollar

[pale wolf]

never thought about the rental purchase taking you down an interest step

[cursive prairie]

guys

[primal grotto]

Another chad for sure

[narrow wadi]

rental goes before interest so ur losing an interest 4/5 of the time i think when u buy it unless ur 29+

[crystal field]

just take another chad

sell the throwback

[primal grotto]

Sell raised fist

[white zodiac]

if I had the option to get more money after 1 round, would I take rental gold in that round or would I skip?

[crystal field]

the only source of +mult in the build?

[cursive prairie]

chad is ballot?

[crystal field]

ya

[cursive prairie]

and what should i sell

[primal grotto]

If you're 2 maxing raised fist is gonna be +4 mult which isn't very good

[narrow wadi]

with a slot i'm always taking rental gold joker tbf, it's at worst a +0 money and at best like +4

[crystal field]

throwback

[crystal field]

so thats why u dont do this lolol

play all low cards

[cursive prairie]

i would sell the magician

idk his name

[primal grotto]

No 2 maxing is good with wee joker the chips go crazy especially with 2 chads

[narrow wadi]

showman? magician is a tarot

[cursive prairie]

my game is not in english

[crystal field]

so if you’re playing your 2s there shouldnt be any in hand

[narrow wadi]

do u mean a tarot or joker?

[cursive prairie]

joker

showman

here, his name is "jefe de pista"

[narrow wadi]

i think it's probably showman, that's the most magician like joker imo

[narrow wadi]

ayy i was right

[primal grotto]

Yeah but in future when your deck is mostly 2s you'll be playing 5oak 2s with 2s remaining

[tranquil oyster]

fortune teller?

[cursive prairie]

yea this one

[narrow wadi]

idt fortune tellers are magicians at least imo

[crystal field]

not necessarily, wee def doesnt need all this to be good

[narrow wadi]

good old jefe de pista, love that guy

[cursive prairie]

So should I sell it?

[crystal field]

just playing pairs of 2s you will eventually get to a good enough chip level to just play pairs

[cursive prairie]

sure

[narrow wadi]

it's an awful joker so ye

[crystal field]

esp with double chad

[white zodiac]

if it affects interest within the first round, it would lose you money which isn't much but it's enough to weigh down on your future spending decision making if I had to make a choice on black deck for an example. this payout is worse on average if i found it in a buffoon pack where I spent 4 dollars, getting 4 dollars back in 1 round, and then having to pay the rental fee (not even including interest cut or any other potential rentals in my joker slots)

[narrow wadi]

showman is one of the most fun jokers imo so i do like it, it is however very bad

[narrow wadi]

the most it can lose you is $1, it can sell for $1 it cannot lose you money

[fading cobalt]

Do you guys call banana michael or michelle

[crystal field]

banana

[narrow wadi]

only when i have to, sometimes it just refuses to die

oh wait

[pale wolf]

I know that part, I meant the purchase of the Joker though

[narrow wadi]

i read sell for some reason

[fading cobalt]

Dawg

[narrow wadi]

idk why

[white zodiac]

without rental, golden pays out more upon 1 round and selling

[narrow wadi]

i call it michelle

[crystal field]

i think even tho its not correct i say it as “gross Michael”

[pale wolf]

close enough

[fading cobalt]

I think the correct pronunciation is gros mitchel

[crystal field]

s is silent in gros

[fading cobalt]

Oh

[crystal field]

i think

[narrow wadi]

if u keep rental golden for 2 rounds it cannot have lost you money, with free slots this is always worth it imo

[fading cobalt]

So its french

[pale wolf]

its gro meeshel

[crystal field]

yea its french

[jagged valve]

Is the blind history thing a mod?

[pale wolf]

yes

[jagged valve]

🫩

[fading cobalt]

Whats blind history

Like previous blinds you've fought?

[pale wolf]

history of the (boss) blinds you beat

[jagged valve]

Check past boss blinds

[manic talon]

boss blind you have beaten in a run

[fading cobalt]

I'd rather have seed history

[jagged valve]

Totally

[crystal field]

huh

[fading cobalt]

That seems much more important tbh

[crystal field]

really?

[jagged valve]

Not really but alright

[pale wolf]

i dont care about seeds

[jagged valve]

We need both

[fading cobalt]

Not important sorry but something that makes sense to have

[manic talon]

you mean like run history like StS and other roguelikes

[fading cobalt]

Yeah I guess

[crystal field]

mr when im a fruit production corporation and the local botanists and environmental scientists are warning me about seedless fruit production

[pale wolf]

i want to rember if the run I continued from yesterday had Goad, not make up for my mistake of not remembering/recording a seed

[white zodiac]

if purchased upon shop, it nets you -1 to 1 dollar upon 2 rounds after pickup. if purchased in buffoon pack, it nets you -3 to -1 dollar after 2 rounds. this doesn't factor in any additional rentals or larger buffoon packs

[narrow wadi]

sts was my first ever roguelike i think (unless u count cod zombies) it's why i love the genre now

[crystal field]

ive never actually gone to replay the seeds i lose on

feel like that could be helpful

[narrow wadi]

it cannot lose u a dollar after 2 rounds on pickup right? obviously it's bad on buffoon pack tho

[white zodiac]

run history would save me some stress on my lap runs

[vocal rose]

this is strictly speaking if you have no other rentals and if you’ve found the golden joker IN the shop

[pale wolf]

i think it would be cool to have a notes area ingame to write things to remember 🙂
modders get on it

[vocal rose]

you can dip below interest even further

[manic talon]

Weak Aura: I will cater my run towards the boss blinds that i have beaten
Strong Aura: Fuck it we take eternal pareidolia + Card sharp, if i meet the plant or the eye, i die

[crystal field]

when it comes to joker prices sometimes ppl forget you could be paying $4 for it either way

booster pack mentality

[narrow wadi]

i'm pretty sure it's only contingent on finding it in the shop, it can only ever lose you $1 and it can sell for $1 even with other rentals -3 can only ever lose you one interest threshold

[lofty mist]

Good Game.

[white zodiac]

you lose 1 by default on the first round if you intend to keep it for another round instead of selling the rental

[vocal rose]

which is likely if you have more than one rental AND if you’re that desperate for econ you’re taking a rental golden ioner

[livid loom]

are the chances for which seals certificate gives you equally distributed? or are they weighted slightly

[white zodiac]

not factoring in the second round also cutting into your interest

[crystal field]

equal i think but might be wrong

[narrow wadi]

it cannot lose u $2 in 2 rounds because u do not need to rebuy it, it can be -$1, then $0 then u sell it for +$1 for a net of 0

[vocal rose]

there’s no weight for seals

[livid loom]

cool, wasn't sure

i'm just unlucky then lol

[narrow wadi]

this is assuming it loses u an interest cap twice

[white zodiac]

so then if rental cuts into your interest for 2 rounds and then you sell the rental, you would have lost a net total of 1 dollar because of it cutting into your interest cap

[crystal field]

perishable certificate is worth the perishable sticker i think

[jagged torrent]

Big kitty

[vocal rose]

it’d be worth rental eternal

rental perishable

[narrow wadi]

it is making u $1 a round to offset the interest lost, it is still net 0 even with 2 interests lost

[crystal field]

yeah obviously

perishable specifically because its the worst sticker

[jagged torrent]

Rental perishable ;-;

[vocal rose]

eternal perishable

[crystal field]

cavendish

[jagged torrent]

So just a regular jimbo

[lone pulsar]

can cavendish be eternal?

[pale wolf]

actually kind of funny

[crystal field]

no

[manic talon]

evil rental perishable cert that gives you 5 rando red seals and dips

[pale wolf]

Cavendish really do be a eternal perishable

[lone pulsar]

expected

[crystal field]

u get me

[white zodiac]

and for eternal rental?

[narrow wadi]

oh i would never take this lol, this is fucking atrocious

[crystal field]

yeah any of the food jokers or other perishable jokers cannot be eternal and none of the proactive scaling jokers can be perishable

[white zodiac]

yeah forget I brought that up

[narrow wadi]

my only point is that if u keep it for 2 rounds it is impossible to have lost money, so it is decent to take with slots open

[white zodiac]

I picked it up once but that was for stickering purposes

[narrow wadi]

most of the time it is +1 after 2 rounds

[lone pulsar]

if your econ is like really good, you won't go for endless and it's the only thing you can take to save the build then maybe

[crystal field]

c++ really have you winning the run with eternal rental matador

[pale wolf]

I've never made a decision based on whether I was going to go endless or not

[white zodiac]

no I would never take eternal rental golden intentionally

[lone pulsar]

oh yea I meant any joker

[white zodiac]

nor do I play endless

[vocal rose]

no

[white zodiac]

what

[narrow wadi]

the only case i'm taking this is if i have a broken build and want to take the funny joker to nerf myself

[vocal rose]

erm

[cursive prairie]

@narrow wadi is ok?

[white zodiac]

I've taken several eternal rentals for the purpose of winning

[crystal field]

wee !

[narrow wadi]

+648 goddamn, i know wee joker is broken but that's an insane amount to have scaled

[cursive prairie]

yea

[lone pulsar]

pair build?

[narrow wadi]

i think my highest (without endless) is like +550ish

[cursive prairie]

nope im just leveling the joker

[lone pulsar]

that's pretty good

[cursive prairie]

idk how to play pairs

[vocal rose]

this is still wrong with the double interest lost

[pale wolf]

what if the new blue steak is that before blue steak, there are reverse rentals that give you money while you're holding them, and blue steak removes them

[simple jacinth]

we're so back

[lone pulsar]

pair is basically using hands optimally for planets and scalling

[simple jacinth]

the silly play was objectively good

[vocal rose]

it’s mathematically impossible to get a net 0 or positive within this vacuum of a situation

[crystal field]

asset sticker

[narrow wadi]

u spend 1, u lose 1, u lose 1 for the loss of money, u gain 1, u gain 1, u sell for 1 for the gain of money

that is net 0 money

[lone pulsar]

eternal séance?

[simple jacinth]

hell yeah sibling

[devout stirrup]

wahoo 6 winstreak new pb :D

[crystal field]

for the sticker

[simple jacinth]

for the chips

Actually managed to use it twice

[crystal field]

hehe chimps

[simple jacinth]

if it had given me ankh you know I would've sold the ramen

even though I'd probably die to verdant that way

[lone pulsar]

would you have taken invis?

[frigid wave]

it doesn't get any closer than that

[vocal rose]

this is laid out poorly

[narrow wadi]

it's the simplest i could make it

[vocal rose]

sorry but what’s the difference between “spending” and “losing”

both ways money is being lost

[lone pulsar]

everyone gets this at some point

[narrow wadi]

spending is the 1 u lose for buying it, losing is the loss of interest

[vocal rose]

or you’re “spending”

[narrow wadi]

spending is when u buy something

[vocal rose]

both are a loss of money

[lavish compass]

eeeh which one

[narrow wadi]

yes, hence why i categorised both as the loss of money

[pale wolf]

is playing a hand the loss of money

[narrow wadi]

mb if i worded it poorly was trying to help you understand why after 2 rounds rental golden cannot have lost u money

[white zodiac]

it's a net loss for two rentals iirc for sellable/non daggered rental goldilocks

[lone pulsar]

how many uncommons do you have?

[lavish compass]

literally 1st round shop, 0

[narrow wadi]

yes, the same way i consider burglar partially an econ joker

[white zodiac]

I oh

[pale wolf]

assuming you're not buying anything else I guess

[heady narwhal]

what stake

[lavish compass]

purple

[pale wolf]

but if there's more factors than just the rental golden Joker then yes you can lose more

[heady narwhal]

i'd probably baseball here .. not sure though

[hoary ravine]

it's kinda a 50/50 at that point since you cant rly guarantee you'll run into a lotta useful uncommons, but hanging chad also probably doesnt do a whole lot unless you like playing into lucky cards / get a complimentary joker

[pale wolf]

when you're buying other things there's the potential for gold into affect multiple interest steps not just one

[narrow wadi]

it cannot lose you 2 interest thresholds by itself, if u lose multiple in a round u would've lost the others without the rental golden

[white zodiac]

burger is an econ joker until it comes with any non perishable sticker

[lavish compass]

yeah ill just go baseball

[hoary ravine]

Baseball at least gives you a pivot point to xMult tho

plus gets a rare out of the pool

You'll have a much higher chance running into hanging chad again

[narrow wadi]

i mean in 1 round btw

[heady narwhal]

burger is x3 mult if you have a hand scaling joker and aren't lazy

[lavish compass]

ouch

[hoary ravine]

this is tragic news

but hey vampire is uncommon <3

[pale wolf]

vamp!

[heady narwhal]

if you can afford it vamp is pretty nice here

[white zodiac]

dracula!

[lone pulsar]

vamp hope for gold face card joker

[narrow wadi]

vampire is the most feels bad scaling xmult, but it's still kinda good imo

[hoary ravine]

it rly was 50/50 then since u rly dont wanna play chad + vampire

[heady narwhal]

throwback:

[narrow wadi]

i always forget this lol

it's so bad i ignore it

[pale wolf]

vampire feels awesome idk about you

[hoary ravine]

vamp makes bonus and mult cards more useful into the late game lmao

[pale wolf]

vampire + stone cards makes me happy

[hoary ravine]

Throwback should be like

[narrow wadi]

hence why i said it was still good, i just hate using it

[hoary ravine]

+0.4x minimum

[lament bronze]

If throwback players ever stopped to think then maybe, but anyone who knows throwback for what it is doesn't even pick it up anyways

[heady narwhal]

i think vamp feels good because it's kind of satisfying to see the enhancements cleared & to put 4 enhancements into tje same hand and whatnot

[white zodiac]

was x0.5 proactive at one point

[hoary ravine]

it's rly satisfying if u have a buncha enhanced cards that arent doing much, feels like cleaning them up

[hoary ravine]

WHAT

Low key... it could still be that and be just okay

[pale wolf]

Should be .5 retroactive

[narrow wadi]

i love seeing my deck being mostly enhanced tho, vampire makes me feel weak even if it makes me stronger

[hoary ravine]

You miss out on so much skipping shops + interested

[lament bronze]

I think leaving the "Please stop playing the game" card as weak as you can have it is more than fair

Sure you have a big downside and it may make you think that for how much you pay it should at least give more

[hoary ravine]

1 steel card in hand likely does more than Throwback in most runs tho

[heady narwhal]

i think throwback should be reverted to "cards held in hand at end of round are drawn to hand to start next round"

[hoary ravine]

which is pretty damn tragic for a joker

[pale wolf]

I think throwback should at least give you a reward that's worth taking the top half of skip tags

[hoary ravine]

mmm this

[pale wolf]

oh actually yeah revert it back to its original one and make skipping jokery different one, hopscotch or something

[narrow wadi]

throwback could be +0.5 tbh, that seems kinda balanced and still not that strong

[lament bronze]

But I don't think incentivizing a joker that is proactive and asks you to not play the game to actually get anything done with is within the same realm of reality as good game design

[latent egret]

too op for blue seals

imagine

[white zodiac]

making it have secondary synergy with perishables, obelisk, madness, loyalty, and aj is about as good as throwback gets

[lament bronze]

Blue seals are already too op and easy as shit to grab

[hoary ravine]

The tradeoff being that you'd just see less of your deck

[pale wolf]

I think you have far too much of a hate on for skipping

[heady narwhal]

blue seal problem imo

[narrow wadi]

don't forget idol lol

[hoary ravine]

So like if you are using blue seals for say Flush it just makes it harder to get thru it

[pale wolf]

skipping is less balatro but it's a risk you are taking and I think it should be a risk worth exploring with a joker

[latent egret]

which doen't matter since you can see the thing you're looking for

[white zodiac]

my stm runs are about to get crazy

[lone pulsar]

I don't think blue seals are getting reworked sadly

[lament bronze]

I take investment from time to time

[latent egret]

they defo are

[white zodiac]

who

[heady narwhal]

i think it's really funny that throwback got reworked from this into its current effect because the held in hand thing was too weak in old balala

[lament bronze]

Helping skipping is just pretty damn bad design

[narrow wadi]

based

[latent egret]

cause blue seals were ahhhh

[hoary ravine]

You play the flush, so those cards arent held in hand anymore...

[lone pulsar]

thunk said they didn't want to do that but maybe they changed their mind

[heady narwhal]

i think perishables and loyalty card are awesome actually

[hoary ravine]

hence they arent drawn back to you

[latent egret]

i got a solution for you

do not play flushes lol

[hoary ravine]

or pair or w/e

[heady narwhal]

i think seals didn't even exist at the time

or there was one kind of seal that sucked

[lament bronze]

Aj and other jokers that are round dependent/things to look out for is fine enough but throwback already gets it's praises as weak as it is and as weak as most (to not say all, investment included) tags are

[latent egret]

i don't remember the exact timeline tbf

[white zodiac]

the 8 ball blue seal joker

timeline

[narrow wadi]

tbf i kinda 100% agree, buffing skip rewards might be the better move to balancing throwback

making skips actually worth it more would make the joker a lot better

[river compass]

Why

[lament bronze]

That is if helping skipping is even close to a reasonable thing to do from a game design standpoint

[hoary ravine]

I think what could make skips almost worth it is if any of the rare/uncommon skips ensured the joker didnt have any tags on it

[lament bronze]

Funny haha rewards but it's outright just getting less game to your game

[latent egret]

[grave hamlet]

booba

[lament bronze]

Much more with a joker that grows no matter if you have it or not

[narrow wadi]

joker skips could make the jokers also have no tags on them as an easy buff, i think removing some would also help

[grave hamlet]

that joker lowkey ass tho even for a common