🕹・game-discussion

[pale wolf]

some of the dumbest people I know are very literate

[lunar zealot]

Well they aren't

like fundamentally

[serene forge]

are they functionally literate

[dry remnant]

the one time bp just acc sucks

[tacit quail]

wus good gang i win anyways

[lunar zealot]

FUCK

[tacit quail]

eat it

[lunar zealot]

I prayed for your downfall n it didnt work

[serene forge]

3^3 is more than 4^2

[jagged cliff]

the goat

[serene forge]

wait

it would be 4^3 against 5^2

ok blueprint still better lol

[pale wolf]

yea

[tacit quail]

goated run

[pale wolf]

math fail

[tacit quail]

i fed a legendary to the dagger and win after playing 9 hands

completely stupid run

[serene forge]

I hate Full Hourse

[pale wolf]

my bonus card is broken

[cloud sinew]

even 3 BP/BS would be better than 2 stencils alone here

2^5 > 5^2

[river compass]

....FU-

[jagged cliff]

thats because of hiker, isnt it?

[ripe iris]

two for the price of one

[ripe iris]

no other way to get that

[cloud sinew]

$3 by ante 2 r4 on white stake is crazy

[lunar zealot]

you'd never afford it anyway

[pale wolf]

yup

[fading cobalt]

2x2x2 is 8 whereas 3x3 is 9. Blueprint is infact worse

[heady narwhal]

what's the 1/2/3/4 thing

[pale wolf]

steammodded glitches i bet

[lunar zealot]

Ngl the only time i play fhouse is to scale the lisk

[pale wolf]

lol

[lunar zealot]

We should call it the lisk btw

[cloud sinew]

that is not the math here

[fading cobalt]

Isnt it??

[pale wolf]

stencil doesn't count itself

[cloud sinew]

2 stencils with 5 joker slots is 5^2, 1 blueprint with 2 stencils is 4^3 there

[heady narwhal]

stencil counts as an empty slot for stencil

[river compass]

Joker Loadouts

[ripe iris]

imagine editing your files just to give a bonus card 30 more chips than usual

[fading cobalt]

Oh so 4

I counted the empty slots cuz I forgot about that

So its 4x4x4

[pale wolf]

its 3³ vs 4²

[dry remnant]

yeah i was being an idiot

[fading cobalt]

Bruh

[pale wolf]

me when i lie

[river compass]

(You can arrange 4 joker formations to perform different functions or combos, but they are disabled in blinds related to jokers, whether it disables them, flips them, or shuffles them)

[tacit quail]

what are some free ones i should gold up soon

i have some weird ones already done dont ask

[pale wolf]

I'm kidding it's 4 empty slots to the power of 3 jokers vs 5 empty slots to the power of 2 jokers

[cloud sinew]

the act of making it a "loadout" would make me never use this feature i think

[dry remnant]

do i sell bp

[river compass]

This would be hard trust

[tacit quail]

i have tried that one its fine i just have to ignore it

[fading cobalt]

Yes

[tacit quail]

i got a7 with it once

[lunar zealot]

i dont think so?

[fading cobalt]

If it doesn't copy blueprint then sure

[pale wolf]

delayed is fine on red deck i guess

[cloud sinew]

Turtle Bean and Popcorn still left to go... good luck

[jagged cliff]

Wait, why didnt you keep the perkeo for the gold sticker? The chance of getting soul is not that high

[cloud sinew]

dont sell blueprint

[tacit quail]

because i needed 20 mult bro

[ripe iris]

gold stake vagabond but not a single run won with campfire 😭

[tacit quail]

i ain want it

[jagged cliff]

Bro. 😭

[fading cobalt]

3x3x3x3 or 5x5x5

[tacit quail]

vaga was like in my first 2 gold wins or smth

[cloud sinew]

actually

[tacit quail]

was peak

[tired kestrel]

Econ managment of a fish

[indigo elbow]

.....yes

[cloud sinew]

3^4 is worse than 5^3, sell blueprint here

[dry remnant]

no bp has to go cuz they count as empty slots

[fading cobalt]

Or best case scenario is 4x4x4x4

[dry remnant]

yeah okay just wanted to make sure ty

[cloud sinew]

why are you writing it long form 😭

exponent notation exists so that you dont have to do that

[heady narwhal]

nebula deck downside if it was good: "every boss blind is Eye, Arm, or Ox"

[fading cobalt]

Because I'm too dumb to write it in notation

[cloud sinew]

do you not understand the notation?

[fading cobalt]

I do but I don't

[cloud sinew]

either you do or you don't

[indigo elbow]

or 6x6x6

[fading cobalt]

Shut up

[dry remnant]

I'm such an idiot... i played 4 cards instead of 5 and lost

[river compass]

get out

[lunar zealot]

4³

[pale wolf]

I just realized how awesome steel Joker is

[cloud sinew]

i have 4 wins with luchador and one was because of C++

[lime patrol]

do i do it.

[lunar zealot]

³4

[lime patrol]

does it stack.

[lunar zealot]

Hehhehehehe tetration

[cloud sinew]

what do you mean by "stack"?

[tired kestrel]

what no

not at all

[lunar zealot]

do you think you'll get a super negative

[cloud sinew]

if you take both then two jokers will become negative, yes

[lunar zealot]

that gives +7 joker slots

[lime patrol]

If I skip both blinds, do I get 2 negatives.

[cloud sinew]

yes

[fading cobalt]

So its either gonna be 3⁴, 4⁴ or 5³

[lunar zealot]

if we answer no will you do it anyway

[indigo elbow]

[tired kestrel]

2 negatives make a positive so it becomes a normal joker

[honest dawn]

I also lost a seed in a stupid way before that, to be honest.

[coral summit]

Permanent money I can’t sell or all cards scored…

[lime patrol]

No, I'm trying to unlock the green deck so I'm doing whatever's the best option.

[sweet bramble]

Scream if you are ambivalent to odd Todd!

[cloud sinew]

negative joker isn't actually an inverse, it's just +1 joker slot. :3
reading the card explains the card /j

[honest dawn]

Red card it's good

[viscid mango]

chat… just rolled trib

[tired kestrel]

buh

[cloud sinew]

goated if a7 isnt plant

[foggy sun]

You have to get good score

[lime patrol]

That said, is even one skip worth it/

[cloud sinew]

no

[lime patrol]

That's surprising to me. Why?

[tired kestrel]

Shops better

[honest dawn]

I had a campfire and a bonfire

Campfire and perkeo

XD

[lime patrol]

Shop's better than a negative joker?

[cloud sinew]

the opportunity cost of skipping is that you lose a round of econ, a round of scaling, and a shop (which is a minimum of 2 packs and 2 cards seen)

[honest dawn]

And do you know how I lost?

[cloud sinew]

usually, yes.

[fading cobalt]

But what if shop has blueprint/brainstorm 💔

[lime patrol]

Huh. I'm green deck, so no interest.

[tired kestrel]

Every shop is a reroll, and the booster packs reroll too, a negative will just be put on a joker you don't want and will do nothing for the entire run

[pale wolf]

red card is very good

[cloud sinew]

you still get money

[viscid mango]

nope wasn’t plant

[honest dawn]

Yeah

[cloud sinew]

via hands, discards and blind rewards

and jokers etc

[honest dawn]

I like and dislike Steel Joker

[pale wolf]

skipped, then rerolled....

[honest dawn]

It scales terribly, but it's generally a 1.4-2 on xmulti.

[cloud sinew]

the problem i have with steel joker

is that i take steel cards like basically never

[tacit quail]

mate i pulled vagabond and egg at the same time and ive just been spawning 2 jokers, using them, selling them before shops. and the vagabond will expire and i pick up egg money to enter a normal run without the money penalty ?!

[pale wolf]

I happen to have like three already and it felt worth taking, and then the standard pack had two steel cards

[tacit quail]

also i will gold stake this riff raff watch out

[cloud sinew]

*i almost never take steel cards for their effect

[pale wolf]

and I was like oh that was cool

[fading cobalt]

Getting rid of a juicy steak and finding a buttery lobster

[pale wolf]

we just need some sort of Joker that directly turns cards steel

[tranquil cargo]

steel cards are great any time you have on scoring or on held +mult

[pale wolf]

or maybe turns gold cards steel

[tired kestrel]

That would be stupidly strong

[pale wolf]

Not like alloy though

[tranquil cargo]

for instance, if you get an early raised fist you could keep taking steel cards all game to scale your mult

[cloud sinew]

not necessarily

[pale wolf]

well there would have to be some sort of condition along with it obviously

Not just hiker but steel

[honest dawn]

Why don't you grab it? When is it the best tarot card for scoring?

[tired kestrel]

Yeah but it'd have to be really strong, certaintly stronger than midas

[honest dawn]

Obviously, a gold card is better.

[pale wolf]

raised fist and shoot the moon are some of the best plus mults in the pool for that reason imo

[cloud sinew]

Steel just isnt that viable when +mult jokers are so strong

[honest dawn]

But in terms of score, it's the best.

[keen vine]

Welp, I saved and reloaded after a naneinf, which I believe is why my savefile is bricked 🫠

[cloud sinew]

glass is better than steel for that, in my experience

glass is better overall because of deck-thinning and glass joker

[keen vine]

I guess my winning seed will remain a mistery, since I can't access mobile's saves

[honest dawn]

It's an extra, and on top of that, a mime with a shot to the moon or a high hit plus steel cards is unstoppable.

[cloud sinew]

The Plant stops it, so it's not very unstoppable

[honest dawn]

Glass cards are used to finish games

But with the probability of it breaking, you can't rely on that.

[honest dawn]

High-flying blow then

That's +15 initial multi plus the 1.5 multi from steel cards that Mimo reactively provides, which is a lot.

Mimo is also in my top 5 jokers of the game

[cloud sinew]

Mime isnt even close imo

[honest dawn]

They should change its rarity to rare

[cloud sinew]

Mime isnt even top 15 let alone top 5

[honest dawn]

Mimo is top jokers, not even in terms of score, but in terms of economics.

Reactivate the planets and the golden cards

[cloud sinew]

mime is not better than rebate for econ

it can be, but not generally

[honest dawn]

Okay, but rebuttal gives you points.

?

Mimo is top in both gold stake and infinity.

For me it's top 5

[tired kestrel]

Mime is too fat, he does alot but you have to actually get a good gold setup or a seal in the first place, thats a really difficult to use joker slot

And even then once you have alot of golds or seals you're already winning

[terse dock]

Wrong server my bad

[devout stirrup]

i lie 1 more black deck run and im out

hate this

[cloud sinew]

i was confused and now i am not ty

[cloud sinew]

🔥 I CANT STOP WINNING LOSING

[ripe iris]

folks get ready for the fattest bull you've ever seen

[lunar zealot]

Imagine it gets crimson hearted 4 hands in a row

[honest dawn]

I usually play to play evenly, and when I play evenly I include a lot of gold, steel, and blue seal cards.

[devout stirrup]

my regular wr gold stake is nearly 30 my wr on black deck is 13

[terse dock]

I missed the clover pit server

[ripe iris]

i dont think crimson heart can target the same joker twice in a row

[tired kestrel]

Honestly the more impressive thing is that handy tag was actually useful

[devout stirrup]

holy rare skip

[ripe iris]

besides ive already got good pair leveling so im good

[cloud sinew]

is that your highest streak

[honest dawn]

Especially the golden cards

[honest dawn]

Good

[devout stirrup]

except im dead LOOOOL

[devout stirrup]

percent

i have no scoring

[devout stirrup]

my best gold stake streak is 5

[cloud sinew]

oh wr = winrate gotcha

[ripe iris]

so close to 1k 🙁

[tired kestrel]

Thats why we don't skip

[devout stirrup]

i figured screw it im done just gonna flip and next

[cloud sinew]

thats probably part of why your winrate is so low

[tired kestrel]

nono do not skip unless its investment or coupon

[devout stirrup]

in the grand scheme of things is 5 a solid winstreak or is it unimpressive

[devout stirrup]

im well aware

[tired kestrel]

You're more likely to start a run with a good joker than a good skip

Bruh

Then y

[ripe iris]

equivalent to a 6x mult rn btw

[devout stirrup]

girl i never skip i just did it because i was gonna switch decks anyways and figured might aswell see what the rare tag is

[tired kestrel]

oh

[devout stirrup]

25% wr on gold stake is low 😭 ?

[tired kestrel]

What are we feeding this bull got damn

[devout stirrup]

nowadays its prob like 40% i had alot from when noob

[ripe iris]

i found a 52$ handy tag and got 8 of them because anaglyph

plus delayed grat was great econ

[cloud sinew]

I would say that's pretty low considering your playtime

[jagged valve]

How does one uncook this run 😭

[devout stirrup]

so essentially im chopped and its over

[viscid mango]

kill me now

[ripe iris]

why would you ever want to uncook this run

[cloud sinew]

I have basically the same playtime and my winrate, depending on the deck, is anywhere from 2-3x that (exc. black deck)

[ripe iris]

this is the best pair spam setup ive ever seen

[honest dawn]

It's well above average

[jagged valve]

Two eternals

Also I already sorta got high card on lvl 10

[ripe iris]

poly+great eternals

[honest dawn]

About 25 percent are experienced players, to be honest.

[cloud sinew]

I'm not sure if that's true for her playtime

[devout stirrup]

u win 3/4th of ur runs?

[ripe iris]

get it to level 100

[devout stirrup]

jesus christ

[lunar zealot]

Level up pair

what

And buy that rebate

and you win

[honest dawn]

How long have you been playing?

[jagged valve]

Should I pivot to pair or stay at high

[lunar zealot]

Imean idfk

[cloud sinew]

~900 hours, same as Rhyle

[honest dawn]

Wow

[ripe iris]

lowkey stay with hc

[honest dawn]

I think I started playing two months ago.

[jagged valve]

I see

[ripe iris]

they have the same mult scaling and you have bull for chips anyways

just find econ and +mult and ur good

[jagged valve]

Should I look for a specific build

[ripe iris]

nope

[jagged valve]

Like baron mime

[ripe iris]

never look for specific builds

[lunar zealot]

No????

[deft panther]

Should I take any of these? My momentum is going towards Straights I have them at level 3 and they're the only hand I've played this run so far

[lunar zealot]

look for more xmult

[devout stirrup]

i will say again my winrate NOWADAYS is like 50% prob, i was very terrible for a long time because so much of my skill was built on endless white stake plasma

took like 200-250 hours to break bad habits

[ripe iris]

id hex and incantation honestly

[jagged valve]

Which is infact more mult

Xmult

[lunar zealot]

are you dense

[jagged valve]

No

[deft panther]

Are you sure I should hex the misprint

[ripe iris]

whats the harm

[honest dawn]

I played like that for the first month, but I learned quickly.

[viscid mango]

rip run

[jagged valve]

I don't know why ur being like this lol it's not that deep

[deft panther]

True

[jagged valve]

Anyways I'm hearing

[tacit quail]

it is time to gold stake Splash and none of you can do anything about it (and riff raff but sh)

[ripe iris]

misprints already good early game mult and the polychrome would make it very viable lategame

[honest dawn]

I had done e188 and I don't know why I started trying to get 100 percent on Balatro

[lunar zealot]

Meet Potential Chatter!

'just wait until i get the run i want after holding R 17 times'
'don't tell me facts with statistical basis like obelisk scaling faster than yorick'
'it's not that deep let people have fun (insert slur here)'

007
0 winstreak
0 facts synthesized and internalized
7 hundred baron runs forced (and lost)

listen to constructive criticism? ❌
'it's my opinion so deal with it' ✅

give me liberty
give me fire
give me plasma deck white stake ante 1 perkeo or i retire

"if" and "when" but never is

[cloud sinew]

I've been getting ~70% winrate on Blue and that's after a few month hiatus so yeah I would say so

[devout stirrup]

i just REALLY wanted to hit naninf unseeded legendaryless before starting c++

[cursive prairie]

what should i do

[ripe iris]

did bro hit 4 hexes 😭

[jagged valve]

Nice textwall damn

[lunar zealot]

Check the buffoon pack

[devout stirrup]

i have 70% on blue aswell 😎

[tacit quail]

yes

[lunar zealot]

You know what you have to do.

[cursive prairie]

the first one

and hex

[ripe iris]

golden

[deft panther]

Should I do Grim and just fix for high straights or should I go for incant to make the lower straight more viable with enhanced cards

[cursive prairie]

ye

[lunar zealot]

correct

[ripe iris]

incantation

[lunar zealot]

shit my jaw hurts again

[ripe iris]

more enhanced cards is great for painted deck

[honest dawn]

I understand, but the truth is you have to make the stake first, because if you do it the other way around, you'll be bad at gold stakes.

[ripe iris]

if you find steel or glass those are great because of how fast straights scale mult

[devout stirrup]

yeah i had that issue wish i knew 600 hours ago

[lunar zealot]

Gold stake makes you better at naneinf unseeded legendaryless

[tacit quail]

yay gold stickers on riff raff, splash

[ripe iris]

id actually argue that theyre completely different playstyles

[lunar zealot]

what the hell is that build

[devout stirrup]

ye i did it at around 250 total hours

[ripe iris]

maybe slightly better but not too much

[devout stirrup]

and i would argue theyre

very different yeah

[tacit quail]

quad hex build + final shop splash

[ripe iris]

practicing naneinf is better for naneinf than practicing gold stake

[cloud sinew]

my best single deck streak is 13 on Checkered [the deck ive committed the most time to streaking]
my best streak on Gold Stake is 15 when I did gold stake gauntlet

[tacit quail]

nothing new here i have been posting absolute bullshit builds

the actual score is blue seal flush

[cloud sinew]

gold stake gauntlet took me a while though, I think like 2 weeks

[lunar zealot]

with glass?

[jagged valve]

I love the part where you actually give me advice instead of plopping this after calling a clear newbie dense

[tacit quail]

yes

only some glass i didnt really need it

[devout stirrup]

impressive, when i did 5 i did it 2x erratic + ghost1 + yellow1 + green1

[lunar zealot]

will you ever internalize it

[jagged valve]

Prob

[ripe iris]

guys he can finally use driver's license

[lunar zealot]

baron isn't good

and shouldn't be forced in any capacity

you don't need that to be explicitly said

[tacit quail]

i wish if drivers license got to another 16 you got more xmult

[lunar zealot]

look for a xmult joker

hologram works

Blackboard works

[ripe iris]

god i could only imagine this breaking the game with dna

[lunar zealot]

for now buy the rebate and get your econ up

[honest dawn]

Hologram is ridiculously good in high wells

[lunar zealot]

Well yeah

[honest dawn]

It's probably the best xmulti

[ripe iris]

objection: obeliesk

[honest dawn]

Not counting Yorick and Canio

[terse vale]

ehhh

[ripe iris]

campfire is also better under the right conditions

[lunar zealot]

cavendish

[terse vale]

its good jus not the best

[tacit quail]

unc money i call it the rich unc skip

[cloud sinew]

the gold stake gauntlet i did was one win on every deck, I did hardest -> easiest to minimise progress loss (more likely to lose earlier so there's less runs lost when I lose the most)

[lunar zealot]

top 3 jokers are rebate/cavendish/yorick

[ripe iris]

hologram is actually better than cavendish

[honest dawn]

Cavendish is overrated; it's no better than any good scaling xmulti.

[ripe iris]

hologram is usually around 4-5x mult by the end so id definitely take hologram over a cavendish

[cloud sinew]

I wouldn't say so

[lunar zealot]

In an ideal world

[honest dawn]

I mean, it's really good because it's x3

[ripe iris]

fair

[lunar zealot]

But cavendish is common unscaling and unconditional

[honest dawn]

But how can it be better than a canio?

[ripe iris]

i mean ideally you have both

[pale wolf]

two blueprints without showman?

[honest dawn]

Or a hologram?

[pale wolf]

how is this possible?

[lunar zealot]

What the fuck

[jagged cliff]

ohhh snap

[terse vale]

I mean its just free X3 whats there not to like

[lunar zealot]

I love balatro man

[terse vale]

ultimate consistency

[jagged valve]

Wait but since like high card builds can only go so far since it's just one card, I think I should try a steel build

[honest dawn]

I've seen many people who think it's better than Canio

[lunar zealot]

Ugh i wish i saved my canio perkeo run

[terse vale]

not counting the negligible (most of the time) 1/1000 chance for it to pop

[cloud sinew]

cavendish is better than canio, generally

[honest dawn]

When for me, Canio is probably the best xmulti

Along with Yorick

[ripe iris]

i mean canio is rng dependent and a legendary

[honest dawn]

Clear

But we're not talking about the due

We're talking about who's better.

[cloud sinew]

you shouldn't evaluate strength based on how often it turns up imo

[lunar zealot]

Canio is strong that much is for certain

[ripe iris]

im not saying its weaker but it is less impactful for most runs

[lunar zealot]

also you act like two legends cannot coexist

[honest dawn]

Cavendish needs the gross Michael to break and then grow back.

[cloud sinew]

it doesnt need to "grow back", it just needs to go extinct

[honest dawn]

Sometimes your gross Michael doesn't even break after 5 antes

[cloud sinew]

the prerequisite for getting cavendish doesnt really matter because Soul is a much rarer prerequisite

[pale wolf]

town aint big enough

[cursive prairie]

BRO

[honest dawn]

But to buy Cavendish

[dry remnant]

is this the easiest challenge or did i just get incredibly lucky

[cursive prairie]

first shop and first pack

[honest dawn]

By regenerate, I mean buying Cavendish.

That might have been translated incorrectly XD

[cloud sinew]

this is a pretty easy challenge

[honest dawn]

Good

[cloud sinew]

buying Cavendish isn't really a good argument because you need to open a pack to find Soul for Canio too

[lunar zealot]

thistowainbigenoufodatwoovus

[ripe iris]

btw quick question for judgement, wraith, and soul, is the joker already loaded when the tarot is or does it only load when used? like if you had a judgement that gave a nat negative, could you still use it with full joker slots or would you have to sell anyways despite it being a nat negative because it isnt loaded until the tarot is used which cant happen until you have an available joker slot?

[tacit quail]

rich unc strikes again

[jagged cliff]

Any guesses?

[cloud sinew]

you need open slots to use judgement

[white zodiac]

ttabefttou 🗣️🗣️ 🔥🔥

[ripe iris]

k 👍

[honest dawn]

But what I mean is, if he's complaining that Canio needs luck, then Cavendish isn't that strong because you're much more likely to get a hologram, which is inherently better.

[hasty harness]

was vagabond but then i got vampire to suck all the enhancements

[cloud sinew]

the luck is about Canio scaling

not finding Canio

[honest dawn]

Although hologram has an unusual rarity

[tacit quail]

it would be pretty funny if there was a low chance it had a negative in it and you could use it but you only find out by clicking

[cloud sinew]

i.e finding card destruction (hanged man, trading card, etc)

[cursive prairie]

should i?

[manic talon]

I LOVE BLOODSTONE GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH (this one is just photochad tbh, got bloodstone way too late, literal last shop)

[honest dawn]

What I'm saying is that when you get Canio you'll probably score more points and have a better chance of winning the game than if you get Cavendish

[jagged cliff]

200%

[honest dawn]

Then it's better

[cloud sinew]

I absolutely disagree

[pale wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379214645742796911/1440854221787234364/screen-20251119-185829.mp4?ex=691fab90&is=691e5a10&hm=f87786f99aa9a6b88c78d0db6167a9768f173d8be3344480034c922fde6281cd& obelisk rock

[cursive prairie]

i did it in 0.5 speed and i got color lol

[jagged cliff]

BLOODSTONE!!!

[cloud sinew]

Cavendish gives you score immediately, Canio has to scale before it gives you score

[honest dawn]

Canio with a hanged man (the one that eliminates two cards because I think he's going to translate it wrong) is already a Cavendish

[white zodiac]

cav doesn't do this though

[honest dawn]

And it can scale further

[cloud sinew]

which means you need to find a hanged man

[pale wolf]

LOL

[honest dawn]

In the last ante?

[pale wolf]

to be fair cav killing itself is similar to a 1x

[white zodiac]

ante 4 iirc

[honest dawn]

And why didn't you upgrade it to an x5?

At the very least

[cloud sinew]

cavendish kills itself after the round so :3

[white zodiac]

don't ask me, ask the game

[cloud sinew]

because you can't force tarot cards without Perkeo

[pale wolf]

yeah but for future value the same way Canio is future value for more than one

[ripe iris]

silly boy didnt get the dna+trading card combo

[honest dawn]

With a hanged man, it's already a Cavendish; you have to have terrible finances or incredibly bad luck. But at very high levels, otherwise you won't get a hanged man.

[pale wolf]

you won with that??

[ripe iris]

think of it has 10$ temperance value

[honest dawn]

I always keep Canio at least at x5 or x7

[pale wolf]

that must be a big runner and red card

[shell dagger]

always?

[honest dawn]

Yeah

[cloud sinew]

do you immediately get it to x5 or x7? no.
because you need to find card destruction methods

[shell dagger]

like when you get it?

[white zodiac]

mhm

[honest dawn]

LitHe's a slacker and a crazy guy (I don't know if those translate well).

[white zodiac]

(it didn't)

[pale wolf]

i usuaally find pareidolia and 4 negative immolates in the supermega spectral pack you get after a soul card

[cloud sinew]

this did not translate well

[white zodiac]

same

[devout stirrup]

yellow deck double money skip ante 1 = gods gift from the heavens

[jagged valve]

Just did the worst move ever I hate myself oh my GOD

[white zodiac]

must be a bug this run was

[ripe iris]

just find perkeo and hanged men+cryptids

[jagged valve]

I used incantation and it removed my ONLY RED SEAL POLY

[tiny harbor]

did you know balatro's size (about 80%) is mostly unused fonts, the real balatro font is 35KB

[pale wolf]

maybe it means like he's a sleeper hit, like he lies low before becoming better

[ripe iris]

plus at least 5 blueprints for good measure

[hasty harness]

broke cuz of rental bs and vagabond

but we made it

[cloud sinew]

@pale wolf i might be a little crazy but like

[white zodiac]

crazy girl

[cloud sinew]

i think that double tag -> charm skip is worth on black deck a1 gold stake

[devout stirrup]

like i know what elon musk feels like all the time now

[devout stirrup]

can agree

[pale wolf]

andolth

analysis

[honest dawn]

Vagabond + vampire = madness

[white zodiac]

idk

[shell dagger]

εδ

[hasty harness]

yup

[devout stirrup]

vampire is so mid ever since the patch

[cloud sinew]

that is not the scenario i was talking about

[white zodiac]

ik

[pale wolf]

maybe?

[cloud sinew]

so then whyd you reply to me saying idk with that screenshot 😭

[white zodiac]

I just don't like skipping in ante 1

[pale wolf]

are the odds greater than 75% that you'll see a judgment?

[jagged cliff]

Yoo, Fouler, gotta apologize bro, this idol lowkey carrying

[deft panther]

Guys I ankhd the polychrome misprint

[cloud sinew]

errrr hold on lemme math

its like

[cursive prairie]

what is the easiest deck to do gold stake

[hasty harness]

igoat

[white zodiac]

does it trump the 28% sticker less probability

[cloud sinew]

(5/22...1/22)^2 right (excluding emperor/fool consumable shenanigans)

[hasty harness]

🥶 🥶

[cloud sinew]

errrr

[pale wolf]

That is true

[hasty harness]

nat negative photo btw?

or is it ecto

[cursive prairie]

@cloud sinew easiest deck to do gs?

[white zodiac]

blue

[cloud sinew]

Blue

[jagged cliff]

nat neg

[wintry ice]

it is indeed a respectably average joker

[pale wolf]

belueyellow

[shell dagger]

1-(17/22)^2 right

[tranquil cargo]

yellow imo

[pale wolf]

of course you can also card block on the second pack

[white zodiac]

or yellow depending on your play style

[hasty harness]

massive

[cloud sinew]

yes

wait no

[ripe iris]

black deck, everyone knows that +1 joker slot is the most op perk in the game!

[jagged cliff]

I keep getting invis and it landing on sock tho, just give me another bp or bs 😭

[cloud sinew]

thats the odds you dont see a judgement

or .... huh....

[white zodiac]

yeah I was gonna say

[cursive prairie]

shuit up

[jagged cliff]

But I guess, lets try again

[hasty harness]

least it didnt hit photo

🙏

[deft panther]

Chat how do we feel about Green Deck

[hasty harness]

can u even afford another ecto?

[jagged cliff]

youre right, youre right

[hasty harness]

no right

[honest dawn]

It's blue because the extra hand makes it very easy in every way; for me, the best is yellow, but I've seen most people say it's blue, although it depends on your playing style.

[hasty harness]

unless the idol or sock

[white zodiac]

stinky

[hasty harness]

is nat negative as well

[shell dagger]

(17/22)^2 is no judgement

1-that is judgement

[cursive prairie]

ooh ok ty

[cloud sinew]

no because of blocking

[hasty harness]

im trying to streak ghost deck rn and the most ive gotten is 3 gs wins in a row

😔

[shell dagger]

what are you blocking with in ante 1

[cloud sinew]

the pack itself

blocks

[jagged cliff]

hand size currently on 6, already took 2 ectos. Id need a DNA or something so I can at least load up on my last remaining glass polychrome

[white zodiac]

and with fool/emperor caveat

[shell dagger]

17/22 accounts for that

[deft panther]

I kinda like not needing to worry about interest

[hasty harness]

i mean if u see a dna... 😈

might as well

[shell dagger]

that’s why you can include the whole pack in 1 fraction instead of going card by card

[honest dawn]

Should I tell you what happened to me, which is why I created a new account?

[white zodiac]

I don't rly wanna spend 2 dollars per hand to scale pairs

[jagged cliff]

Probably will, otherwise this run'll be dead in just a few hands, these glass break way too easy

[honest dawn]

I was at school, minding my own business, when I put my phone down for a second and a classmate grabbed it and deleted my Balatro account.

[hasty harness]

glass be like that never breaks when u want it

breaks when u need it

lol

[honest dawn]

I think I had 112/150 Jokers in Gold

[pale wolf]

does the pack block the second pack

[cloud sinew]

no it doesnt

[jagged cliff]

exactly

[shell dagger]

how come

[white zodiac]

not unless you hit emperor

or like fool

[cloud sinew]

(21/22)x(20/21)x(19/20)x(18/19) is the odds of not getting a judgement in one pack, which is not 17/22 (right??)

[white zodiac]

into second

[cloud sinew]

im excluding that

[tacit quail]

im on that green joker and alcohol

[white zodiac]

ok

[pale wolf]

what if u just win in 1 flush insted

[shell dagger]

this is a lesson in cancelling fractions…

[cloud sinew]

please do the math of what i said and say that it's the same as 17/22 if it is

[shell dagger]

you have 4 terms in that product

[cloud sinew]

right

[molten pier]

what about soul cards

[shell dagger]

the 5th term is 17/18

the 21 numerator cancels 21 denominator

etc

you are left with 17/22

[wintry ice]

arguing with someone who's in a math najor about math

[shell dagger]

isn’t it 2 math majors

[pale wolf]

thats what math majors do

[cloud sinew]

i am a math major yes

[jagged cliff]

Huh, missremembered my tophand and thought I could trade my dusk for a invis, shoot

[wintry ice]

math major off

crazy

[pale wolf]

im not a math major

[white zodiac]

I used to hype up these fights in school

math offs

[pale wolf]

im not even in the military

[cloud sinew]

i was calculating it as though i was starting with a card and looking for duplicates, apologies

which is why i did #-1

[white zodiac]

welp

[pale wolf]

i guess i play another gold run

[white zodiac]

does this mean double charm tag on black deck is worth it

[wintry ice]

anyways i assume i sell raised fist but idk if i want to use eternal runner and shortcut together

[shell dagger]

~40% you see judgement without considering emperor

[wintry ice]

since runner wants you to stop playing straights after a while

[devout stirrup]

omg i just sold my joker before cashing out and it was actually in first shop

holy god bless fundamentals

[cloud sinew]

without considering that that's not the only good hit as well, so yeah i think double charm tag is worth on black deck surprisingly

[white zodiac]

not worth late game

[shell dagger]

maybe, it is a lot of tarots

[wintry ice]

wouldn't starting with empress be nice

[jagged cliff]

rigged!!!

[wintry ice]

given that black deck earlygame is

sanity draining

[cloud sinew]

high priestess is probably one of the better hits over empress i think

[wintry ice]

i accidentally rolled past a flash card that was offered but i guess this works?

idk

[cursive prairie]

bro wtf

[final briar]

getting there on the C++ grind - only 2 Jokers gilded this run, but one of them was finally Perkeo

[cloud sinew]

5 good hits, 1 mid one, 3 bad ones

[shell dagger]

emperor is approx 0.1 judgements

[cloud sinew]

🔥

[wintry ice]

well i missed out

[pale wolf]

you guys did this

[cloud sinew]

is this in a mega pack

[white zodiac]

it depends on the boss blind for me. I've had limiting scenarios where 4 bucks big blind into shop would yield better results over 16 dollar value. from my own run testing

[languid heron]

Lmao

[white zodiac]

oops

[pale wolf]

so do you just go next or buy a pack on yellow deck

[kindred flower]

it's calling your name

[shell dagger]

oh true

[cloud sinew]

im not talking about econ at all, im talking about scoring options

[wintry ice]

is there a world where i choose to ignore agate in favor of keeping raised fist

the context is that i have holo gem so

[shell dagger]

0.117 ig

[pale wolf]

[cloud sinew]

yes

this one

[hasty harness]

somehow beat the eye

even with supernova

[wintry ice]

ight

[cloud sinew]

rough blue seal hit but it's alright

[wintry ice]

i think i'm also passing up on this

[hasty harness]

yeah

had to be done

[wintry ice]

supernova seems awkward in this setup

[ripe iris]

supernova is cracked why wouldnt you take it

[cloud sinew]

runner at +0 still? how long have you had it

[unborn cliff]

do you guys think localthunk is going to nerf some of the scaling jokers or not considering some of them are practically free wins

[wintry ice]

0 rounds

[jagged cliff]

my my, interesting start

[unborn cliff]

runner at 0? coward

[cloud sinew]

it's eternal and would require dropping a joker for it, that makes it way more situational

[ripe iris]

i dont see why he would, all of them work well currently i think

[wintry ice]

pairs are also at 4 plays so

[white zodiac]

I mean like factoring in what alternatives would be better than 2 mega arcanas. like the 28% sticker less buffoon first shop, the added probability of the second shop, and whatever packs you're affording.

would it outweigh the probabilities of finding a joker that solves a1 boss scoring like hook or manacle?

[heady narwhal]

chaos should get a jokerdisplay thing

[ripe iris]

true but i dont see any situation where you would want to sell supernova

[unborn cliff]

the thing is that they are VERY strong since most of them don't reset

[shell dagger]

emperor brings it up by 0.8% without regarding fool

[wintry ice]

probably just yorick if i had to guess

[ripe iris]

good +mult isnt a free win

you also need xmult

[unborn cliff]

the humble reroll button that says 0

[ripe iris]

and econ unless youre extremely lucky

[unborn cliff]

obelisk

[ripe iris]

and chips depending on build

[unborn cliff]

runner

[ripe iris]

thats xmult

[unborn cliff]

i replied to the wrong message

[unborn cliff]

obelisk

[ripe iris]

you rarely get obelisk

its a free win when you get it

but rare for a reason

[unborn cliff]

hologram/constellation (most of the time)

[ripe iris]

constellation is fine i wouldnt be opposed to making holo like 0.2

[unborn cliff]

glass joker nerfed to 0.1x

[rough prairie]

Eh, the problem with Obelisk is that you do kinda also need it later into the run

[shell dagger]

the best constellation nerf is probably a blue seal nerf…

[hasty harness]

oh yeah

[white zodiac]

let's say that pairs is no longer the best poker hand to play in the early game or mid game with whatever changes.

if let's say 2 pair becomes the best poker hand, how much more difficult would the restrictions be for the common hand mult scalers? if you had to use it alongside its planets for chip sources

[hasty harness]

we're cooking

[unborn cliff]

bring back old blue seals

[hasty harness]

cryptid + death for blue steel seal

as well

[wintry ice]

so you're saying you need additional material still

[pale wolf]

more like it

[wintry ice]

i guess this is worth it over chaos?

idk

[unborn cliff]

pants
win
its really quite simple ||/j||

[white zodiac]

finding a better mult alternative into eye/wall/needle

[unborn cliff]

shshshshshhhsshh

[white zodiac]

damn u got a point

[tacit quail]

you wouldnt believe it but this all synergises

[terse vale]

i’d believe it

[unborn cliff]

splash

[terse vale]

[ripe iris]

theres definitely other jokers on the chopping block in that case

[wintry ice]

the square splash gambit

[hasty harness]

we are blue steeling

[tacit quail]

i got squoker late kinda not worth it

[hasty harness]

our steel

[rough prairie]

Oh man, I got so lucky in this run, I think I got like 5 Black Holes

[nova junco]

I just lost violet vessel orange stake by scoring 1.15 mil out of 1.2

[wintry ice]

i'm guessing i replace fist

[tacit quail]

no hes crucial, i can play anything and get x2 by tacking on a club

[nova junco]

I straight up rage quit the game

[cloud sinew]

some things would have to change for two pair to become the best poker hand, generally, so i am struggling to think of it being the best poker hand without knowing what changed to make it the best

[white zodiac]

they already have a mult joker, there's less reason to carry a second one into more debilitating bosses

[ripe iris]

sell the mult joker for the supernova since it's retroactive

[unborn cliff]

i do wonder if seeing double will get a buff to 3x or not because it's such a weird joker right now

[tacit quail]

that being said i just sold it for 1$ so i could get immolate

[steel chasm]

2 rares in a row from judgment

[unborn cliff]

very odd specification for 2x

[white zodiac]

I can only think of boss blinds atm if hand mult scalers are left untouched

[cloud sinew]

seeing double is quite viable at 2x

[ripe iris]

3x is too op

[unborn cliff]

this is true

it just feels very convoluted for 2x

[vocal rose]

it wont

[pale wolf]

omg is this finally my full house run ive been dreaming of

[cloud sinew]

not really

[white zodiac]

their highest poker hand count is 4

[ripe iris]

damn didnt see that

[unborn cliff]

specific at least

[ripe iris]

yeah supernova isnt doing shit

[cloud sinew]

it's specific, but not hard to trigger

[nova junco]

Yes but also in 90% of the situations where seeing double is viable there's a better xMult just as consistent

[unborn cliff]

truke

[wintry ice]

hi

[vocal rose]

no?

[white zodiac]

this can't be real

[ripe iris]

why not take both

[wintry ice]

and?

[cloud sinew]

you don't get offered all jokers so this isn't a good argument

[unborn cliff]

brah is on mobile

[wintry ice]

you have 5 joker slots

you also have to consider that this is a roguelike

[nova junco]

Yeah that's fair actually

[rough prairie]

Hey, I'm on mobile too

[wintry ice]

not a story focused rpg game

[white zodiac]

for boss blinds it simulates that feeling

[cloud sinew]

C++ btw

[unborn cliff]

but i thought this was le funny gambling poker game
-4chan user

[nova junco]

But isn't seeing double an uncommon also

[cloud sinew]

and?

[lunar zealot]

I LOVE BASEBALL CARD

[cloud sinew]

rarity doesn't matter much for strength

[jagged cliff]

WHOS IT GONNA BE 🗣️

[nova junco]

Nothing I just wasn't sure

[lunar zealot]

THIS IS FULLY UNRELATED TO THE CONVERSATION

BUT I LOVE BBC

[soft mango]

Best start ive had so far

[cloud sinew]

gotcha

[unborn cliff]

lets make seeing double scale and reset at the end of the ante

[cloud sinew]

how fast would it scale

[unborn cliff]

red seal poly lucky queen in the standard pack

[unborn cliff]

0.5x/hand

trust

[cloud sinew]

it would be so much better then

[soft mango]

It was a gold seal queen 😭

[tacit quail]

bro give me chicot or the one i can sell next shop

[unborn cliff]

its like campfire but even awesomer

[wintry ice]

2x mult is a pretty usual multiplier for easy to trigger conditions

[jagged cliff]

😔

[unborn cliff]

blueprint is pretty much a 2x joker

[soft mango]

Still not sure what to use the skip tags on. I usually save them for money but what else?

[cloud sinew]

thats kinda it

[unborn cliff]

20 mult for dagger

[cloud sinew]

skips are bad, generally

[jagged cliff]

if only i had dagger

[unborn cliff]

wait you have trading card

i guess we pivoting

[soft mango]

Yeah but I'm working towards anaglyph gold stake and it'd be cool to use them on smth

[nova junco]

Temperance value

[tacit quail]

gg this run dead as hell

[cloud sinew]

using them on money is usually the most optimal strategy for anaglyph because of how bad skips are anyway

[rough prairie]

Anaglyph skipping on spectral can do a world of deck fixing

[white zodiac]

you base the individual jokers strength at the moment it appears during the run. comparing certain jokers to others is something I do only if a second of its kind appears and then the whole question repeats

[nova junco]

I just had a card sharp run

[pale wolf]

ahahaha

[jagged cliff]

He does scale pretty well, he's gonna carry me til baron can stand on his own

[wintry ice]

was it worth it for me to pass up on pants in ante 4

[nova junco]

I had to sell card sharp for a trio last round because of the violet vessel and lost anyways

[dry remnant]

even in challanges photochad just wont leave me alone

[rough prairie]

Or you can do the funny thing of skipping into negative and just filling up your joker slots with random stuff to get stickers

[cloud sinew]

you're not likely to see many, if any, good spectrals because of them being regular spectral packs

[tacit quail]

man : (

[cloud sinew]

ethereal tag should absolutely be jumbo spectrals

[hasty harness]

yorick and infinite blue seals

rah

[unborn cliff]

huge

negative pareidolia incoming

[pale wolf]

MEGA

[unborn cliff]

source: trust me bro

[pale wolf]

cmon

[onyx crane]

Guys is it normal for balatro to completely softlock itself

[jagged cliff]

oh im hoping

[nova junco]

Generally not

[white zodiac]

depends if you were affordable to underscore for a couple rounds

[wintry ice]

thinking extremely hard over this

[pale wolf]

carl dies

[pale wolf]

mayeb

[unborn cliff]

happens

[soft mango]

Im hitting 25mill on ante 3, this is crazy. Will probably get a new record

[wintry ice]

who the heck is carl

[onyx crane]

Completely lost a good run 💔

[wintry ice]

also flushes are lvl 1 so

[cloud sinew]

this is a bug but it's been reported a lot and been around for a while

[unborn cliff]

thats a lot of money

[cloud sinew]

so i guess yes and no to it being normal

[pale wolf]

a new world record

[white zodiac]

the fat kid from jimmy neutron

[onyx crane]

ooooh, does it happen after going back to main menu in a skip arcana

[soft mango]

Wait nvm, the plant showed up on ante 4 and I've got no reroll

[still tapir]

tonn jerker

[soft mango]

Triple trib run in shambles

[hasty harness]

light work

[cloud sinew]

going back into a pack after skipping for it is usually the cause yeah

[wintry ice]

yea

[unborn cliff]

-1

[cloud sinew]

ReS

[onyx crane]

I went back because i used the soul and got chicot 💔

[cloud sinew]

yeah don't savescum packs you get from skips for this reason

[soft mango]

Im going to skip for a mega buffoon tag and maybe something saves me

[unborn cliff]

awesome

[onyx crane]

This dumbass chicot bro i cant stand him 😭

[deft panther]

Should I try to reroll and see if I can get any better jokers than what I have? I'm playing Straights and the blind scaling is about to creep out of one shot range for me

[jagged cliff]

savescumming not getting rewarded

[unborn cliff]

chigoat saved my run today

[white zodiac]

what's wrong with him

[unborn cliff]

the sky is blue

[onyx crane]

Didnt know, first time

[cloud sinew]

also why would you not want chicot here, supernova is vulnerable to Eye and Needle

[pale wolf]

nearly missed the draw on THE BEST HAND FULL HOUSE WOOOOOO

[onyx crane]

I sold all 6s for a legendary

And all 6s was my main base mult

[wintry ice]

might aswell grab this ig

[pale wolf]

#fyh GO EARTH

[cloud sinew]

not supernova? if youre relying on lucky procs for your +mult then youre doing something wrong i think

[jagged cliff]

[cloud sinew]

and?

[deft panther]

If anybody got any input on this ping me

[white zodiac]

why don't we celebrate earth day anymore

[cloud sinew]

being eternal doesnt change what it does

[onyx crane]

Ooh it thought you meant you wanted me to sell supernova

[unborn cliff]

global warming

[cloud sinew]

god no, im saying that supernova is +mult so why are you relying on luckies for mult (and by virtue, Oops all 6's)

[soft mango]

Hmm do I swap anyone here, I wanna keep this going against the plant

[wintry ice]

the earth isn't eral

[onyx crane]

Yeah supernova didnt get me much mult either, neither all 6s so i skipped for 6 arcanas to see if i got something

[unborn cliff]

pre-endless ectoplasm

[pale wolf]

pants worth for the FULL HOUSE BUILD BAYBEEE

[cloud sinew]

are you not playing the same hands to scale supernova?

[onyx crane]

I had like 27 pairs maybe

Not enough tho

[pale wolf]

NEVERMIND

[cloud sinew]

I don't see Oops being better than Chicot there though

[tacit quail]

every day im like "lets hex a joker in shop 1 and shape a run around it" and then this shit

[cloud sinew]

means you dont need to worry about Eye/Needle/Vessel

[onyx crane]

Wouldve died due to bad scoring in the boss

[white zodiac]

skip for pants

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[cloud sinew]

oops raises the average for a lucky card to 8 mult rather than 4, that's not a big enough difference to not take chicot over it imo

[pale wolf]

im actually giddy

hologram way better

[soft mango]

We are so back baby, pb run continues

Mega buffoon skip came in clutch

[wintry ice]

ok well i guess i can win now

[jagged cliff]

what is it with you and keep repeating "I hate ..." 😭
Especially bloodstone

[onyx crane]

But chicot wouldve ended up killing me, i like really needed scoring

[wintry ice]

this is an insane shop

[onyx crane]

Had to play all my hands and a five of a kind of lucky aces to barely finish small blind

[tacit quail]

certainly a ?? run

[idle haven]

My favorite photochad run yet

[onyx crane]

And i had to hit twice that for the boss

[idle haven]

I died to the score and running out of cards

Im crine

[night turret]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

[deft panther]

Become campfire pilled

[jagged cliff]

Will Bean show up this time? and if it does, will I stay alive for more than 1 ante?! Lets find out!!

[night turret]

Now onto gold stake

[night turret]

After these short ads

[idle haven]

The showman of all time

[wintry ice]

do i sell ramen for this

it would be funny

[idle haven]

Probably

Not

No

Maybe

Idk

Im indecisive

[wintry ice]

i could also sell business card because it's rental but yea

[cloud sinew]

photochad/cavendish is basically the only good usecase for showman within a8 i think

[idle haven]

God i just had my most favorite photochad run i love it so much

Im in love with balatro when it goes well

Like bro

[jagged cliff]

I got a gameplan for ya, keep hitting ectos and make a high card deck for just photochad, get only photo and chad through showman

[wintry ice]

i love winning in 2 antes

[cloud sinew]

pocket justice is also a good usecase but that's incredibly situational

[idle haven]

Mayb

[onyx crane]

Me after losing a run due to cavendish dying

[idle haven]

So real

[tacit quail]

um

[idle haven]

I once had a Cavendish die the round I got it

[cloud sinew]

bye delgrat, you have perkeo for econ

[tacit quail]

delayed gota get out of here even tho thats what i started the run from to gold it

[jagged cliff]

Tried it once myself

[cloud sinew]

$8 a round at worst

[idle haven]

Why on earth would you willingy get eternal red card

[onyx crane]

I was all jolly because the run skyrocketed and then i see it expire

[tacit quail]

chicko

[plucky shuttle]

cause its a great joker

[tacit quail]

well i know what im doing

this will the run win

[onyx crane]

Scales fast as hell

[cloud sinew]

I've had Cavendish go extinct 4 times and none of them mattered lol

[idle haven]

But its eternal 💔

[cloud sinew]

red card is goated

[cloud sinew]

so?

[idle haven]

Great for base mult early game but it gets annoying later on

[heady narwhal]

ignore modded

[white zodiac]

we could've warned you if we knew

[cloud sinew]

"later on" if you mean endless then idc

[pale wolf]

👀

[onyx crane]

I lost my run after it died, it was the thing that was carrying it for like the 2 blinds it lasted

[idle haven]

ok

[wintry ice]

winning?

[onyx crane]

No problem, i forgive you guys ❤️‍🩹

[cloud sinew]

winning is goated and red card wins runs

[jagged cliff]

No bean, but easy win

[wintry ice]

"this joker is only good earlygame"
looks inside
scaling

[white zodiac]

and girl (lilo)

[onyx crane]

No red card slander allowed

[heady narwhal]

redcard's main downside is that it can't carry you through early antes like grimbo and bus can

[tacit quail]

i COULD exchange my 2 legendaries and unscaled constellation, for 3 hexes, 1 of which would be saved for later (2.25x or 3.37x ..)

not worth

[cloud sinew]

it can carry you early, just not in the same way that grimbo/bus can

[onyx crane]

No +mult scaling slander allowed at all

[heady narwhal]

you usually have to rely on another scoring joker for a while

[white zodiac]

unless you're on yellow deck 👅

[pale wolf]

no , i dont want no chad

[onyx crane]

I believe each one of the scaling jokers has won me one gold stake

[cloud sinew]

fortune teller and bootstraps my hatred

[terse dock]

Fortune teller is ass

[onyx crane]

Except bootstraps

[heady narwhal]

which one is worse

[cloud sinew]

i've won with every joker at gold stake, but some do basically nothing 99.9% of the time and are even actively detrimental

[terse dock]

Bus is ass on abandoned deck because it takes the fun out of it

[heady narwhal]

i think fortune teller

even on runs where i do a lot of deckfixing it's only like +18 later on

[wintry ice]

fortune teller works as backup +mult

[onyx crane]

i mean yeah, most c++ are done by the anaglyph negative skip strat

[wintry ice]

boots is just

[cloud sinew]

i think bootstraps

[wintry ice]

pathetic

[heady narwhal]

i think you really need to have vagabond or like reroll glut+overstock+tarot merchant to get it to big number

[cloud sinew]

because boots is almost always +10 when you find it past a3

[white zodiac]

ft I'll give some grace for at least having synergy and better retroactive mult potential than bootystraps

[wintry ice]

i think it fits into the "actively detrimental" category

[cloud sinew]

because of sticking to the interest cap

[onyx crane]

Also the tarot vouchers

[shut juniper]

What are y'all's best runs?

[heady narwhal]

when i have more money than usual i'll exit shops above $25

[cloud sinew]

i dont think it counts as actively detrimental

[heady narwhal]

because it's cheaper to spread rerolls out over time

[onyx crane]

But bull on the other hand ❤️‍🩹

[wintry ice]

i think being restricted in your spending is a big enough downside

[tacit quail]

im so cooked

[heady narwhal]

this is specifically for like, mega arcana pack $50 temperance + fool though. so not that likely

[onyx crane]

How are you supposed to buy a single pack

[terse dock]

It doesnt force you to play around it

Better than stuntman

[cloud sinew]

sure, but i'm usually not going to be so much over interest that it makes boots a better pick than fortune teller that late unless i have stupidly high econ or i havent used like any tarots

[tacit quail]

I don't

[heady narwhal]

negative rebate in buffoon pack trust

[wintry ice]

ig

[cloud sinew]

it doesnt restrict it at all, it rewards you restricting it

thats not something it does inherently though

[whole patio]

I've played a few high cards

[wintry ice]

i guess you could compare it to grimbo

[onyx crane]

I would say you could try jokerless strats but you dont have a single cent 💔

[jagged cliff]

the e111 also just being 1's is peak

[cloud sinew]

yeah

which isnt detrimental, it just has a way of punishing it's own scaling

[white zodiac]

the holding money to score restriction would be tolerable if it wasn't for 10 fucking mult

[cloud sinew]

make boots +3 <3

[onyx crane]

How do you play 11111 high cards

[whole patio]

oh yeah, didn't notice! it used to say naneinf but that got broken on a restart

[tacit quail]

peak run i dont care

[wintry ice]

make it +4 colon three

[jagged cliff]

unfortunate

[white zodiac]

or +8 for every 10 dollars

[whole patio]

416 hours in game

[cloud sinew]

+4 would be too much i think

[white zodiac]

oh

[cloud sinew]

thats just +4 every $5 without saying it

[white zodiac]

no because you need to have money in 10s

[heady narwhal]

i think a big part of why bootstraps is ass and bull is ok is that it's easy to find scaling +mult to complement bull with limited spending vs it's very difficult to find +chips to complement bootstraps with limited spending

it's not just the ratio imo

[white zodiac]

10 dollar increments

[terse dock]

Just make it ten gallon from extra credit for the funsies