🕹・game-discussion

[lunar zealot]

Come on man i already told you once

[spare lark]

Uh yeah

[bleak seal]

I am #1 business card glazer

[heady narwhal]

probably not me but i think business card is shit

[crystal field]

agreed

[spare lark]

Should I call you Blud instead?

[crystal field]

i still need a business gold sticker

[unreal island]

epilepsy warning:
sock and buskin when it comes to being the most overrated retrigger joker

[lunar zealot]

That's just as bad if not worse

[bleak seal]

I'm making 100 dollars a round so I think it's pretty good

[spare lark]

My point exactly

[crystal field]

hack:

[wicked sonnet]

fun fact lebron is playing for the first time this season right now

my king

[heady narwhal]

i think it stacks up really poorly against things like golden joker, faceless, to do list, parking, the works

[crystal field]

the hack glazers never cease to amaze me

[unreal island]

hack is perfectly rated in that nobody uses it or talks about it

[lunar zealot]

you could also just not use bro for someone who both is not male and also does not want to be called bro

[heady narwhal]

hack is the 4th best retrigger joker

[lunar zealot]

i really don't get your point

[bleak seal]

I just watched steph curry make a 3

Steph >>

[crystal field]

better than duck?🦆

or seltzer

[spare lark]

Whatever big dawg

[lunar zealot]

god this guy is like 14

[wicked sonnet]

this league is so unc rn

[spare lark]

No im just autistic

[lunar zealot]

So am i

[wicked sonnet]

yeah just don't acknowledge them

[heady narwhal]

1. hanging chad
   also 1) mime
2. seltzer
3. hack
4. sock
5. dusk

[crystal field]

so was the femboy guy earlier. these children ruining my whole life

[wicked sonnet]

that's what i do when someone misgenders me

[spare lark]

Couldn’t tell

[bleak seal]

I love steph

[crystal field]

dusk is so bad yea

i never get to use seltzer really

[lunar zealot]

doesn't steph beat his wife

[crystal field]

i should try to more

😭

[lunar zealot]

Or was that someone else

[heady narwhal]

i think seltzer is nice for value generation and the like

[wicked sonnet]

i don't think people realise how old he is like he also has crazy longevity

[bleak seal]

Just saw photo and invis same shop

[proven gulch]

seltzer is so good

[wicked sonnet]

i think it's someone else

[heady narwhal]

lucky cards, gold seals, the woker (wee joker)

[bleak seal]

So I think oops goes now

[lunar zealot]

WHY SO QUEERIOUS

[crystal field]

my brain is locked too hard on retriggers as scoring so i never take them 🙁

[lunar zealot]

IM THE WOKER BABY

[bleak seal]

Or do I keep oops for the potential

2 oops

[wicked sonnet]

pat bev

[heady narwhal]

me too tbh

[wicked sonnet]

what i even do now that i beat gold stake

[bleak seal]

Is the business card or potential double oops more important guys

[heady narwhal]

if i see hack or sock or dusk i barely even think about it before i reroll/go next

[proven gulch]

c+/+

[bleak seal]

Go for c++

[languid pecan]

do it on another deck

[crystal field]

chad is the only one i consider as value

i should not be so this way

[heady narwhal]

what about mime

[crystal field]

well mike too sorry

yea

[heady narwhal]

mike

[bleak seal]

Do I sell oops or business for invis

[languid pecan]

mime is busted

[wicked sonnet]

i've only beaten every other deck on white stake so ig time to start grinding

i just ❤️ ghost deck

[bleak seal]

Twins

[proven gulch]

anything else relying on oops?

[crystal field]

mime is good but similar problems to the others

[bleak seal]

I have 2 lucky cards

[crystal field]

just happens i tend to have more gold cards than lucky

[potent tree]

brainstorm chad brainstorm were the first 3 disabled

[proven gulch]

sell oops, you'll need to get out of businees after anyway

[languid pecan]

mime is king in terms of retriggers imo

[wicked sonnet]

wait how do you unlock brainstorm i've never seen him

[bleak seal]

Alright

[potent tree]

i'm somewhat proud this happened to occur

[crystal field]

over chad? maybe

[potent tree]

discard a royal flush iirc

[bleak seal]

Go to checkered deck

[languid pecan]

honestly yeah

[wicked sonnet]

oh wait that's really easy

[languid pecan]

blue seals

[bleak seal]

And fish for a royal flush

[languid pecan]

gold cards

[bleak seal]

And discard

[heady narwhal]

chad is my third most used joker but i couldn't tell you why honestly

[wicked sonnet]

might grind some checkered deck in general i love flush builds

[crystal field]

i feel like chad is easier to use and mime got higher potential for value generation

[heady narwhal]

it's very general-purpose

[bleak seal]

Immediately punished hallucination was the next reroll

[heady narwhal]

I love Hallucination

[potent tree]

i think i squashed the heart chat...

[crystal field]

now we talking

[lunar zealot]

Let me show you mine

[languid pecan]

hallucination is great idk why i never take it

[crystal field]

hallucination so freaking lit

[languid pecan]

i swear there are only like 2 real finisher boss blinds

youre fine 99% of the time otherwise

[potent raven]

On Steam, is there a fix for this bug yet. I was doing great 🙁

[bleak seal]

Samezies

[crystal field]

when you hit hallucination in both packs

🙏

[bleak seal]

BUT YK WHAT I LOVE MORE

[heady narwhal]

this is my second biggest complaint about balatro after the fact that the endless mode button is way too big

[bleak seal]

I LOVE gift card

[crystal field]

gift card is nice

i always forget gift card also works on consumables

[heady narwhal]

gift card is underrated i think

[languid pecan]

gift card is crazy

especially for longer runs

[crystal field]

suddenly the sun is worth $12

maybe more like $5 but yea

its lit

[wicked sonnet]

okay i got brainstorm

thanks

[lunar zealot]

Peep the no brainstorm in top 10 btw

it's not like i don't get her

[wicked sonnet]

agreed

[heady narwhal]

imo leaf should be changed to "all jokers debuffed until one joker sold," bell should stay the same since it's cool, amber acorn should be reworked entirely

[bleak seal]

Verdant leaf punishes eternal spam, and if you need all 5 jokers for the score.
Violet vessel is horrid if your just scraping by
The shuffle one is usually easy besides like some scenario
Crimson Fart is horrible if your unlucky
Uhh what am I forgetting

[lunar zealot]

It's just that i don't even like brainstorm 😭

[potent tree]

if i skip all blinds, how far we getting with this setup chat

[crystal field]

poor brainstorm

[wicked sonnet]

gift card swashbuckler 🔥

[crystal field]

poor blueprint

fated to be separated

💔

[heady narwhal]

photograph

[potent tree]

wait

[lunar zealot]

Hey it's almost out of my top 10

give me credit

[languid pecan]

verdant leaf only hurts if you rely on cards to score

[heady narwhal]

what's #11

[bleak seal]

True

[potent tree]

guys i've forgotten the optimal organization for builds like these...please help

[lunar zealot]

idk i didnt check balastats

[wicked sonnet]

there balatro calculator

[bleak seal]

Okay cya in a min gotta finish this run

[lunar zealot]

Probably blackboard

[trim rover]

cinema

[languid pecan]

this is my list expande

[crystal field]

GRIMBO SQUARE WIN

[languid pecan]

so happy that photo is out of top 10

[crystal field]

now u just need an obelisk

[trim rover]

plus burglar

did you see that

[crystal field]

yes

[heady narwhal]

i'm not using a calc but i think in this case you've got the right setup

[languid pecan]

photo used to be top 2 in my stats page

[crystal field]

whats calc

[trim rover]

my god

would go crazy

[heady narwhal]

if you're new to the server calc is short for calculator. i'm just using slang

[crystal field]

Ohh lol

so effing fire

i love the lgbt community

💕

[crystal field]

Surprised u agree, huge honesty

werent u saying red card was bad

[heady narwhal]

my top 25

[crystal field]

next run u get a red card just try it and be awoken

[trim rover]

I just can't get runs with red card to a significant amount

[crystal field]

save ur money and seeits soooo good

[proven gulch]

YES

[languid pecan]

squimbo will catch up one day

[proven gulch]

RUNNER

[heady narwhal]

feel like obelisk should be higher and also stm should be on there

[trim rover]

I can get obelisk runs

but not red card

[languid pecan]

i respect the straight grind

[proven gulch]

i love runner <3

[heady narwhal]

stm isn't like good but it's one of the most fun jokers in the game imo

[crystal field]

shoot the moon makes me ill

oh

[proven gulch]

i hate stm

[crystal field]

i dont hate it but

im getting there with it

its irritating to me

[trim rover]

real

[heady narwhal]

drspectred hates stm i think

[bleak seal]

Should I take dusk now over a 2nd (non negative) chad, or wait till I need it?

[proven gulch]

worst art in the game imo

boring rng based ability

[crystal field]

all the art is fire

[bleak seal]

I dont like stm

[crystal field]

the visual and audio design of balatro is so strong all around

[languid pecan]

stm is good enough it can be your primary mult the entire run so i feel like its good enough

although its annoying to rely on

[crystal field]

7/4 time is beautiful

or 7/8

[proven gulch]

yeah i don't like this one

[crystal field]

whichever it is its in 7

[heady narwhal]

seeing double is asymmetrical

[crystal field]

where

on the foots?

[heady narwhal]

the

[alpine hollow]

its rotational symmetry

[crystal field]

OH GOD IVE NEVER NOTICED

💔

[proven gulch]

go and do some nasty things to yourself will you

[alpine hollow]

it matches on the right inn bit

[crystal field]

will never be able to unsee

like how the jimbos dont have frilly collars they have little arms and legs hehe

[heady narwhal]

i really disagree with this part. i think it's really fun in its "scaling" usecase

[crystal field]

what it if was 667

ok sorry

im sorry…

[proven gulch]

why did we think the exact same thing

67

[heady narwhal]

there's plant rng which is annoying

but deckfixing for stm is fun

[languid pecan]

its way better than scholar imo

[heady narwhal]

plus it's got this cool niche where it's nice in both the early and the late game

you can take it in ante 2/3 for survival and end up building into it

[bleak seal]

My invis hit chad and now I just have both the jokers I sold for it back 😭😭

[humble hound]

[crystal field]

scholar is probably the worst of the specific suit jokers right?

[proven gulch]

i forgot it existed

[crystal field]

walkie talkie is also bad

[alpine hollow]

scholars Ace

[languid pecan]

walkie gets 2 ranks atleast

[bleak seal]

If I had a nickel for everytime my invis amounted to literally nothing I'd have a lot of nickels

[crystal field]

specific rank* sorry

[languid pecan]

walkie has double the chance to find the ranks AND its 100x easier to play 2 pair with it

walkie can actually do stuff

[crystal field]

yeah walkie is fs better

[analog reef]

finally got 15 minute city done

[alpine hollow]

$4 on sell

[heady narwhal]

leave the c tier common joker alone!!!

[crystal field]

also i like that wt looks like a spider web

[cedar pivot]

whats the play here

[alpine hollow]

ive never seen someone do 15 min city while neglecting the rtb

[proven gulch]

lmao

just play into the op jokers?

[heady narwhal]

this seems like the hardest possible way of 15 minute-ing the city

[proven gulch]

neglected shortcut too

[crystal field]

ignoring bus 💔

[analog reef]

the rick saved it tbf

[analog reef]

yup

I went 5oak kings

[heady narwhal]

5oak

[alpine hollow]

at that point its just a slightly easier cruelty challenge

[analog reef]

5 of a kind

[heady narwhal]

why would you do that

the worst handtype with the worst rank

[crystal field]

oh btw idk if I ever told you but I love ur pfp

[analog reef]

it lined up for it with a shop one midas mask

[proven gulch]

tbf cruelty is easy

[alpine hollow]

5oak is cool

[crystal field]

rhf is a goated ass game

[heady narwhal]

thanks

[crystal field]

sometimes i use the tamborine monky as a pfp

[alpine hollow]

im not on it 24/7, and im not a good player

[languid pecan]

go 4oak or f5 never 5oak

[analog reef]

I had to pass up on chad so many times

[heady narwhal]

midas mask is valid but i don't think 5oak is ever valid

it's 4oak but worse

[alpine hollow]

flush five can be killed by the suit blinds

[acoustic kettle]

6oak

[analog reef]

no suit changers, and not going endless anyway

[languid pecan]

ehhh

[proven gulch]

67oak

[crystal field]

whichever suit boss u pass first

go for that

[heady narwhal]

i don't like flush five personally

flush house is cool

straight flush si cool

[languid pecan]

flush five needs +4 mult scaling

[alpine hollow]

idk,ive never liked flush house

[languid pecan]

the chips are fine

[alpine hollow]

its harder to deckfix into

[languid pecan]

flush house needs +5 mult

[analog reef]

I could have, but I got every suit changer besides moon

So i was never safe

[languid pecan]

maybe straight flush should get +5 too but idk if it really needs it

[crystal field]

yeaaa happens

i mean

[languid pecan]

full house should get like +10 more chips scaling

[alpine hollow]

i hope thats a joke

[heady narwhal]

i don't really think so personally. it's enough of an upgrade compared with full house and flush that there's often good reason to build into it

[crystal field]

at the end of the day it depends on ur tarots if u can only manage 5oak then whatever

[heady narwhal]

i think strush needs a buff

[crystal field]

tho its better to just stay 4oal

[heady narwhal]

it's such a funny handtype and i want to play it more

[crystal field]

cuz u can get mars so much easier from the get go

[alpine hollow]

strush builds are funny on checkered

one could say, goofy

[languid pecan]

well it doesnt need it, i just think flush five should get 4 mult scaling because its supposed to be the best or 2nd best hand type and it still has the same 3 mult scaling mars has

[analog reef]

things just aligned for it man. I had to sell a brainstorm for that sock

[languid pecan]

it just doesnt make much sense to be 3 mult scaling

[crystal field]

thats true

[alpine hollow]

it gets +50 or something chips, that adds up to minumum +150 score

[languid pecan]

im not thinking pure balance wise, im just thinking design wise

[crystal field]

i mean i often forget the planets give some mult too tbh i mostly think of it as chips scaling anyway

[bleak seal]

I dont have that many gold cards is ticket worth killing

[languid pecan]

im not saying that its scaling is bad, im saying that visually the scaling is bad comparitively to 4oak for example since it gets the same mult scaling

[crystal field]

also flush 5 has more potential with the jokers than 4oak due to the extra card

[heady narwhal]

me when i forget the product rule of derivatives

[analog reef]

if you dont consistently play at least 1 gold card per hand, then photo should do good work

[alpine hollow]

wtf is that doing here

[heady narwhal]

going from lv1 flive to lv2 flive is significantly more than +150 points

[bleak seal]

Thing is, I also just dont need scoring

So probably dumb to ask actually

[alpine hollow]

I do supose its higher due to the chips from playing cards in it

[languid pecan]

is it 450 point or am i stupid

[heady narwhal]

no it's because of base mult and chips

[languid pecan]

wait nvm

[analog reef]

if your going endless, maybe get photo. ticket will come around again

[languid pecan]

wait youre right disregard

[alpine hollow]

please explain how the product rule of derivs makes it higher

im genuinely curious

[languid pecan]

i dont know that term but i understand how it works logically

[crystal field]

why are we talking about math for a silly card game

[heady narwhal]

essentially the idea is that the increase in score is roughly equal to (initial mult * chips increase) + (initial chips * mult increase)

[heady narwhal]

which is (while not exactly the same thing since it's discrete) the same concept as (fg)' = fg' + gf'

[lunar zealot]

Mmm math

[rustic oak]

Do I do it

[lunar zealot]

Fuck it

[alpine hollow]

okay, thank you!

[vocal rose]

absolutely

[rustic oak]

My thoughts exactly

[crystal field]

madness saves

joker

[rustic oak]

First shop madness like

I gotta

[crystal field]

u are on black stake so do it

[rustic oak]

Yeah I figured eternals will be good

[bleak seal]

I was about to say hallucination putting in work for me, and then cola showed up in the buffoon pack

Rip

[alpine hollow]

its black stake, theres eternals

[languid pecan]

?

[crystal field]

i said that

[languid pecan]

Why does cola matter?

[bleak seal]

I like double tags

[alpine hollow]

nvm i thought you said "dont do it its black deck"

[crystal field]

did u need ur cards to score

[crystal field]

(i did and then edited it)

[languid pecan]

Tarot generation>>>a single double tag imo unless it's perishable or rental

[alpine hollow]

tf

[crystal field]

ye ye rip

[bleak seal]

What now...

[languid pecan]

Tarot generation is actually so busted it's crazy

[crystal field]

probably oops all 6

[languid pecan]

Well yeah busted but I also mean underrated

[bleak seal]

I was gonna sell for golden ticket anyway I think

[crystal field]

brainstorm on bloodstone averages out to the same result

[bleak seal]

We reckon it comes around?

[crystal field]

sorry blueprint

fmscl

[bleak seal]

Aight

[alpine hollow]

splash+vase is underrated

[crystal field]

definitely not

2 joker splots for x3 is not good

[languid pecan]

Is vase not x4?

[crystal field]

no its x3

💔

[mortal nimbus]

splash is a way to make flower pot easier to activate, but you want splash to be doing more than that

[crystal field]

it really should be x4

[languid pecan]

wtf why

[cedar shell]

for how much work you gotta put in

[alpine hollow]

you also get splash's effect of playing random stuff

[cedar shell]

just for cavendish to show up

[crystal field]

i think this is about how bad fpot is not splashy

i do like splash

[bleak seal]

I love midas plus gticket

400 dollars that gave me

1 round

[alpine hollow]

its interesting how cavendish is about killing the joker, than hoping ver2 doesnt die

[languid pecan]

Flowerpot should be 3 suits not 4 suits if it's not giving 4x

[alpine hollow]

i agree

[languid pecan]

That doesn't even make sense logically to give 3x

[crystal field]

ive seen people fix it so its x1 per scoring suit

[languid pecan]

Too op imo

Seeing double

[crystal field]

no as in

[alpine hollow]

that takes away from the gimmick imo

[crystal field]

well

[heady narwhal]

flowerpot and loyalty card are overhated

[crystal field]

thats cuz seeing double is a big mess

[cedar shell]

so x4 flower pot

[crystal field]

id like to see seeing double go back to doing something for 7s

😔

[languid pecan]

I'd be fine with x3 if you have 3 different scoring suits or x4 and it works the same

[heady narwhal]

i think 3 suits for 3x would be really fun

[cedar shell]

i pick up loyalty card when i'm farming hands and i can feel burger coming in my soul

[languid pecan]

But no free 2x for an easier seeing double

[heady narwhal]

you could also remove the janky debuff interactions and the suit bosses wouldn't be hard counters

[crystal field]

i would want the fpot seeing double if sd had a different effect

as it stands they are already too similar

imo

flower pot is just way worse

[lunar zealot]

says the 3oak glazer

[heady narwhal]

it'd also be good for 2pair!!

and 4oak!!

[cedar shell]

says the baseball card glazer

[languid pecan]

Make 5oak actually somewhat useful

Y'know

[crystal field]

if theres two pair why isnt there three pair 😡 why isnt there one pair

[bleak seal]

5oak is good

I like it

[alpine hollow]

there is one pair

its called "pair"

[cedar shell]

i like a lot of bad things

[languid pecan]

Liking=/=good

[heady narwhal]

what does chat think about ice cream

[lunar zealot]

Ask me about baseball card

[alpine hollow]

okay in a pinch

[crystal field]

early game beast

[alpine hollow]

goes really hard on plasma

[cedar shell]

where does it rank on your card stats

[pulsar forge]

the goat

[languid pecan]

It's pretty good

[wicked sonnet]

baseball goated

saved my orange run

[alpine hollow]

better than popcorn

[languid pecan]

I prefer blue joker normally over ice cream tho

[crystal field]

when are we getting basketball card

i like basketball more than baseball

[wicked sonnet]

lebron james card

[crystal field]

😓

[heady narwhal]

imo it looks kind of unappetizing i wouldn't want to eat bright red or bright blue ice cream personally

[languid pecan]

Just feels like a slightly worse ice cream that resets each round

[pulsar forge]

not the photochad

[lunar zealot]

not on my top 10 cuz it's a rare 💔

[crystal field]

not a superman flavor liker huh

[cedar shell]

my love for food has disappeared and i just eat what's in front of me or sometimes i don't

[bleak seal]

Steph curry card already exists its called <checks what people commonly consider the goat joker to be>
Blueprint! :>>>

[languid pecan]

Best day ever was getting photo out of my top 10

[lunar zealot]

Blueprint is not even top 5

[cedar shell]

has to fight all the hard carry commons smh

[lost vault]

yorick

[heady narwhal]

no scaling +mult

[lunar zealot]

rebate cavendish yorick blackboard obelisk

[lost vault]

guys ifbyou really think about it

[alpine hollow]

i hate getting trib

[cedar shell]

and chigoat is standing right there

[lost vault]

blueprint is technically winmore

[lunar zealot]

Ehh

[lost vault]

yeah but hes underappreciated

[alpine hollow]

its entirely dependent on the joker to the right

[cedar shell]

what is winmore

[crystal field]

worst legendary is?

[alpine hollow]

wins more

[lunar zealot]

Trin

Oulet

[lost vault]

if you bave good joker blueprint is good too

[alpine hollow]

trib, 100%

[cedar shell]

ante 8, trib

[lost vault]

therefore win more

[potent tree]

ahh i discarded too many wilds...still a nice run though!

[wicked sonnet]

bave

[crystal field]

thats a good answer but not my personal opinion

[heady narwhal]

joker that only helps you when you're already winning

[bleak seal]

Canio imo

[lost vault]

you’re so funny

[crystal field]

😓

[crystal field]

yea

[heady narwhal]

like idol, baron, invis, perkeo

[wicked sonnet]

thank youy i know

[crystal field]

man i hate canio

[wicked sonnet]

every one laugh all the time

[bleak seal]

Canio is good in VERY specific circumstances

[lost vault]

more like a game mechanic that rewards the player for doing well

[heady narwhal]

the perkeo part is ragebait because $4 a round is actually pretty nice

[cedar shell]

photochad abuser spotted

[alpine hollow]

i like canio, t rewards me for taking my hatred out on face cards

[crystal field]

when did i say this

[cedar shell]

i sentence you to 1000 games of abandoned deck

[lost vault]

which is not a good thing in something like balatro

[lost vault]

not even a bad deco

[cedar shell]

it's so freaking good

[crystal field]

i hate canio because it makes me pray for card deletion which is wholly unreliable

[bleak seal]

Abandoned deck is good lol

[heady narwhal]

i hate trib because i want to keep my jacks so i can buy hrt later

[wicked sonnet]

i too can participate in this conversation (i have seen 2 legendaries)

[lost vault]

does hrt mean strength in this context

[crystal field]

yes

[finite ether]

math teacher thinks I'm calculating but I'm actually playing the 'tro

[heady narwhal]

hit road, the

[alpine hollow]

hrt always means stregth

[cedar shell]

let me put that away

[crystal field]

strength is spiro+oe

its almost spelled the same

[cedar shell]

the thing i love about canio is that it's just so freaking good man

[alpine hollow]

tf is a spiro+oe

[cedar shell]

discarding cards be hard sometimes but smashing face cards oh boy

[crystal field]

is even harder?

yeah

[cedar shell]

the plant HATES to see me coming

[crystal field]

even more inconsistent? yes

[wicked sonnet]

spyro with an i + oe

[alpine hollow]

the humbel immolate

[languid pecan]

Canio is great it just replied on a bit of RNG to do anything

[alpine hollow]

whats a spyro? like the dragon?

[cedar shell]

mfw when tarots

[wicked sonnet]

the purple one

[languid pecan]

But +2x scaling with a single tarot card is insane

[crystal field]

how many tarots delete cards

[alpine hollow]

exaclty

[crystal field]

out of i think what 24?

[cedar shell]

one

[wicked sonnet]

i'm joking btw i've never heard of this stuff

[cedar shell]

mf just get it

[alpine hollow]

1, but 2 counting emporer

[cedar shell]

legit not my problem

[modest spade]

Justice deletes if you're lucky

[crystal field]

ok fine

2

[wicked sonnet]

3 counting fool then

[cedar shell]

fool exists btw

[alpine hollow]

actually 3, counting fool

[languid pecan]

3 if you count fool

[crystal field]

lemme put it this way last canio run i did I got ONE hung man

[modest spade]

But as we all know getting either Canio or Glass Joker is the best way to ensure your glass cards never break

[languid pecan]

If you're holding a couple tarot cards it helps a lot too

[crystal field]

it hurt so bad

[cedar shell]

you were not generating enough tarots lowkey 🤫

[alpine hollow]

how many immolates/other spetrals

[languid pecan]

3x is a lot

[crystal field]

i got a trading card so all was good

[cedar shell]

canio haters must be sent to the gulag (nebula deck)

[alpine hollow]

familiar + canio is actually awesome

[languid pecan]

So basically canio carried you

[crystal field]

it wasnt enough for the vessel

[modest spade]

Equivalent to Cavendish that's good tbh

[crystal field]

so basically trading card carried me? because trading cardis the best joker?

yea

[alpine hollow]

even better,because it wont die when you least expect it

[crystal field]

also

[heady narwhal]

4 if you count justice, 5 if you count judgement for loyalty card, 7 if you count hermit/tenperance to reroll for tarots that destroy cards, ...

[languid pecan]

That's your fault not canios

[cedar shell]

trading card is good but there are better jokers

cough cough canio

[crystal field]

i would have sold that guy

but i needed gold sticker

[crystal field]

no

[crystal field]

i still won?….

like yeah

[cedar shell]

legit if you can't break your face cards that's your fault

[crystal field]

i made it work tooth and nail

doesnt make it a good jokr

and definitely is still the worst legendary imo

[cedar shell]

brother

wait

yeah it's fine

brother

[modest spade]

The worst legendary is Triboulet

[languid pecan]

Trib is way worse than canio by a lot

[cedar shell]

surely you don't mean for ante 8

[crystal field]

if I have good access to tarots then canio is less bad

[cedar shell]

and even then

[languid pecan]

Canio is better than Yorick by miles for beyond ante 8

[crystal field]

but thats not necessarily the case most of the time

listen next time i get canio

[cedar shell]

why not

[heady narwhal]

balatro pro tip: underscoring is a key part of strategy on gold stake. if you have a joker like the duo or blackboard that you don't immediately need in order to beat the next blind, sell it as soon as possible for that sweet, sweet interest money

[crystal field]

ill use it again and well see if my tarot generator appears

[crystal field]

econ not always being used on tarot generation?

[cedar shell]

why not

[lunar zealot]

Or put it before your +mult

[crystal field]

begging the question or

[lunar zealot]

or in blackboard's case never proc it

[devout wasp]

i would argue you don't need generation for econ to get you enough tarots for you to get enough hanged mans for canio most of the time

[heady narwhal]

how are you going to get that sweet, sweet interest money though

[cedar shell]

i can ask the same question twice without it being a fallacy

[lunar zealot]

[crystal field]

ok so maybe

but not all the time

[devout wasp]

well, no, but the whole game is probabilistic

[crystal field]

in general i just dislike the canio minigame

[devout wasp]

and econ is the main mitigator of probability

[lunar zealot]

i would just prefer keeping something like blackboard is the thing jmibo

If you said shit like duo or see2 i'd get your point

[heady narwhal]

i'm sure you'll find it again someday. that's what showman is for after all

[devout wasp]

like, canio isn't "bad because you can low-roll and just never see a hanged man", because if that's the case, triboulet is equally bad because you can low roll and never see a good face card hand

[lunar zealot]

no guarantee you'll get it again assuming you need interest in the first pla

[cedar shell]

ok i'm tired and headache so
ante 8:
yo, rick!
canio 😭
chigoat
perkeo 🥰💕❤️💗💓💝
trib

[modest spade]

tfw xmult shows up early and it tanks your interest if you get it but you also gotta wonder if you'll find xmult later in the run

[lunar zealot]

Lmao

[languid pecan]

Alright I get seeing double but duo? That's crazy

[cedar shell]

do you get it bc canio be crying

[crystal field]

this is an actually good argument

[lunar zealot]

Duo is x2 mult

[crystal field]

the difference w trib ig is you only need 1 for a x2

[lunar zealot]

it's splashable but i would not keep it over somethin like

[heady narwhal]

???

[lunar zealot]

somethin

[crystal field]

to ur base mult yes

[devout wasp]

imho you should never judge the value of a joker on the lowest roll, but on the EV

[alpine hollow]

except jacks and paradoliea dont triggerr it

[crystal field]

ok and

[heady narwhal]

you only need one facecard for canio to give x2, and a more meaningful one at that

[lunar zealot]

Canio can work on abandoned

triboulet can't

[modest spade]

On score xmult 😬

[languid pecan]

Only things I trade it for are scaling base mult and good econ

[crystal field]

uhhh no you need a way to delete the card as well

which is quite rare

[languid pecan]

Interest money not one of those

[heady narwhal]

i think triboulet is bad because scaling +mult is more reliable

[devout wasp]

plus you can build canio with things other than hanged man --- various celestials can proc it (immolate most consistently), trading card...

[lunar zealot]

Should i send the pasta.

[heady narwhal]

which one

[cedar shell]

yes

[alpine hollow]

yes

[lunar zealot]

The triboulet pasta

[alpine hollow]

pastacopy

[cedar shell]

🍝

[lunar zealot]

triboulet is undoubtedly a strong joker for endless mode---on-scored xmult in general scales much higher short term than the traditionally played +mult + xmult strategy, however both outside of endless and in endless mode itself triboulet does have flaws that will inevitably show themselves; outside of endless, many players would in their right mind choose yorick or canio over triboulet on gold stake runs and this is mainly due to how the way gold stake runs generally play out, being a natural evolution of the meta---triboulet (and in the same vein, baron/mime) have a ridiculously high ceiling in terms of score, but this ceiling does not matter much in context of gold stake where the required score is at maximum, 1.2m chips (2.4m on plasma specifically)
in that sense triboulet can be an afterthought in terms of scoring; it's its weaknesses that make it significantly more vulnerable and inconsistent than yorick and canio
I say vulnerable and inconsistent and not 'weak' because triboulet is not a weak joker, it is a strong joker but it is hampered by significant flaws that are not present with its peers, yorick and canio, because it is still an on-scored joker and is thus inherently vulnerable to boss blinds (pillar, the suit blinds, plant, and of course not being able to draw your hand on water/needle/mouth etc) as well as requiring deckfixing in order to play the hands required to necessitate it and economy in order to buy the planets for base mult as well as to buy tarots and potentially jokers for said deckfixing
the fact of the matter is triboulet is not going to be as consistent as yorick or canio in terms of its being able to provide scoring for winning a run on gold stake especially due to gold stake's faster scaling and lack of small blind reward money and more notably blue stake's -1 discard

[crystal field]

im not defending trib btw

[hearty dagger]

How to know early in a gold stake run what strat to run? I've been getting a lot of stuntman, should I go pairs?

[crystal field]

im shidding on canio

[lunar zealot]

Pairs

[cedar shell]

oh my god i've read this

where have i read this before

[lunar zealot]

generally, blue stake's (current, as of patch 1.0.1f) effect of -1 discard heavily discourages playing 5-card hands due to inconsistency in being able to draw them; flush in particular gets significantly more flak due to it not providing nearly as much scaling via planets or consistent joker scaling like straights and saturn/runner, to compensate for its being a 5 card hand
in this sense the evolution of the meta has largely favored pairs due to their generally being easy to draw, easy to make use of in-hand effects such as golds and especially blue seals, and more accessible synergies with jokers such as hologram (more effectively able to scale hologram via bloating the deck if the hand played is largely unaffected by deck size hampering easiness to draw), blackboard (one can play a pair and unscored hearts/diamonds in order to always proc it) and scaling +mult jokers such as green joker (discarding for pairs is redundant)
tl;dr pair good

[cedar shell]

WAIT I REMEMBER THIS

WHERE IS THIS FROM

[heady narwhal]

why are you using three hyphens for a dash

[modest spade]

Always pairs unless the seed tells you otherwise

[lunar zealot]

I WROTE IT

[cedar shell]

OH

[lunar zealot]

that's how you write em dashes on docs and word

[cedar shell]

THE THREAD

[alpine hollow]

me when i dont draw pairs

[cedar shell]

YES

[devout wasp]

yeah the em dash is three hyphens that's normal

[cedar shell]

ok good night all

[alpine hollow]

whoch thread

[crystal field]

like

[devout wasp]

that goes back to old typography

[crystal field]

i definitely dont disagree

i only play gold steak

[hearty dagger]

what jokers am I looking for? Also what packs/skips? I've beaten only checkered on gold, but I used flushes there

[heady narwhal]

i thought that on word two dashes make an em dash if you don't have spaces and an en dash if you do

[lunar zealot]

I don't use word anyway i use docs

[crystal field]

who even paying for word lowk

[heady narwhal]

in any case, en dash with spaces around it is the only true way to typeset dashes – in my opinion, at least

[crystal field]

💔

[modest spade]

Look for a chips joker and a scaling +mult ideally

[devout wasp]

the rule in old-school typography (like with block lettering) is that an em dash should be triple the length of a hyphen, and an en dash should be double the length of a hyphen

[modest spade]

If you don't find anything good within a reasonable time try to stay alive with planet cards

[lunar zealot]

Chips can be substituted by mercury if you don't plan to obelisk it out

[hearty dagger]

Stuntman a good or bad idea?

[lunar zealot]

But you should try to build toords obelisk

[heady narwhal]

the old school rule of typography is that an em dash should be an em long and an en dash should be an en long

[alpine hollow]

good, go hc all the way

[devout wasp]

in fact they're called em and en dashes because they used to match the widths of an m and an n in block letters

right right

[hearty dagger]

HC?

[modest spade]

^ especially Mercury, yes

Mercury good

[alpine hollow]

high card

[hearty dagger]

high card better than pair?

[heady narwhal]

i don't think hyphens were standardized

[hearty dagger]

I mean

[modest spade]

Stuntman is good

[lunar zealot]

Ehhh

[devout wasp]

that is true, i was simplifying a bit

[lunar zealot]

no duo no see2 less bus leeway and no obelisk pivoting

[alpine hollow]

imo yes
accoring to kami, no

[lunar zealot]

Pairs are preferred

[modest spade]

Pairs are better if you wanna win gold stake

[crystal field]

pivoting from hc for obelisk is freaky as hell

[heady narwhal]

with stuntman?

[hearty dagger]

Do I skip for ante 1 investment tag or rare joker

[languid pecan]

I feel like tribs main problem is boss blinds and how susceptible it is, if you can build around 2 pair of full house you're gaming, maybe even 3oak or pairs, but unlike photochad being able to use glass trib has no real counterplay besides however many glass cards you need for your main hand

[devout wasp]

high card is more consistent than pair but scales 33% less hard, and its synergies are a little weaker (on-scoring jokers are only half as good, and stacking high card makes obelisk brittle, for some examples)

[alpine hollow]

investment

[hearty dagger]

just investment?

[modest spade]

Kinda but also not really sorry

[hearty dagger]

Im playing anaglyph btw

[modest spade]

I meant what I said in general

[hearty dagger]

supernova good then?

[modest spade]

Not specifically with Stuntman

[heady narwhal]

imo it's better to do hc with stuntman unless there's a reason not to

but also you can just pivot any time you want so like,

[crystal field]

stuntman do be a rare joker

same as like shortcut allows u to do straights

[alpine hollow]

is this ante 1? only investemnt, unless you feel confident enough to beat the boss jokerless

[heady narwhal]

i feel like i haven'g seen stuntman in ages

[crystal field]

NYOOOOM

[twilit panther]

How does blackboard interact with lovers?

[devout wasp]

the good way

[alpine hollow]

i dont

[heady narwhal]

blackboard works with wild cards and doesn't work with stone cards

[devout wasp]

wilds are clubs and spades, so they don't hurt you if they're in the hand

stones are not clubs or spades, so they screw you

[alpine hollow]

...i love stones...

[crystal field]

stones are good for when planet scaling is going bad

[devout wasp]

i mean i do too, i was just talking about blackboard

[crystal field]

💔

[alpine hollow]

5card hc stones are very fun

[languid pecan]

a bit confusing since nothing (no cards left held in hand) also counts as clubs or spades

[twilit panther]

Yea but they also count as diamond and heart and requirement is only club or spade

[pulsar forge]

I've been playing for endless

[crystal field]

i rememver we talked abt that. the joker says If right

hmmmm

[devout wasp]

yes, but it doesn't say "no non-clubs or non-spades", it effectively says "every card must be a club or a spade"

[crystal field]

that is still peculiar

[devout wasp]

and if it's all 4, it's in particular a club or spade

[crystal field]

but good to know

[heady narwhal]

"all clubs and spades" ≠ "no diamonds or hearts "

[twilit panther]

Alr ty

[crystal field]

man i luv jokers

[alpine hollow]

opinions on opening playing packs?

[bleak seal]

I got idol online

Now I just need to find it

[languid pecan]

does anyone here actually play without high contrast

[alpine hollow]

no

[crystal field]

sometimes i try it and hate it so i go back

[modest spade]

🖐️

[crystal field]

i do like the look of it but i mix my suits up too easy bcuz im blind

[trim rover]

Uranu, you proud?

First purple stake win

[languid pecan]

youre crazy

[crystal field]

heyy well done! keep up the grind

[modest spade]

I like my club cards being green

[alpine hollow]

imagine if you could press high contrast on and off 200 times and the game would crash

[crystal field]

stuntman is a hero

[devout wasp]

worth if you're still looking for blue/purple seals or polychromes and are at interest cap, but you will often want to skip rather than just take 1 of 3 mid cards

[languid pecan]

now THIS is a gold stake run

[trim rover]

He didn't save the run ngl

I had it w/o him

[crystal field]

ourble

[hearty dagger]

@alpine hollow here I am rn

[languid pecan]

high card run or pair

[devout wasp]

still definitely do open standard packs, they are often integral to a run if only because they're a good source of good seals

[trim rover]

yes

[crystal field]

hc after stuntman

[devout wasp]

just, adding a mid card is worse than just keeping your deck thin

[crystal field]

what were ur hand levels

[alpine hollow]

do enither, and scale nova

[bleak seal]

I used to and it was actual torture

I have visual impairment

[hearty dagger]

I don't think I can win with just HC or Pairs here,

[bleak seal]

The amount of runs I lost to

[crystal field]

+250 chips to something less than 250 base chips is a x2

or better

[bleak seal]

"Oh shit that's not a club that's a spade"

[alpine hollow]

than just do the hand you normaly do

[crystal field]

yeah so it was about a x2.5 for your score

[trim rover]

I had ante 8 without stuntman

[crystal field]

with pairs

[hearty dagger]

Until I get more jokers/planet/enchantment

[devout wasp]

yea i think a thing that often gets lost in here is that "meta hand" != best hand in all situations

[crystal field]

and indescribably helpful for hc

[devout wasp]

if the run doesn't suit hardmashing pairs or HC, don't do it

[crystal field]

i love nyoom

[trim rover]

I get lost with that being the noob that I am

[languid pecan]

this 1000%

[devout wasp]

there are even some runs where flush all the way is the play, though they're quite rare

[hearty dagger]

I beat gold with goofy jokers with flushes

[crystal field]

aj pog

[lunar zealot]

Painted deck singlehandedly makes straights a viable choice alongside pairs

and i love it for that

[devout wasp]

yea that's a good example

[alpine hollow]

bros speaking absolute facts

[scenic sigil]

This is all of my runs

[modest spade]

This is true!

[trim rover]

BUH

[modest spade]

That being said

I HATE FULL HOUSE

[devout wasp]

damn i am the most replied mfer in history right now

[languid pecan]

meta or "best" does not mean best in every situation when talking about balatro. What is really means is how many situations it is good comparitively

[modest spade]

genuinely unviable hand right there

[alpine hollow]

id probably take brainstorm for the +3 hands

[crystal field]

full house for round 1 tho,,,

[trim rover]

what do i sell

[alpine hollow]

fr

[trim rover]

clasp

[languid pecan]

almost every single joker in this game has a situation where it is the best joker you could find in the moment

[alpine hollow]

whats green and sqaure at?

[trim rover]

cause stuntman is helping a lot, maybe supernova goes

[devout wasp]

genuinely i think the biggest wall for improving in balatro is just understanding the delicate interplay between probability and the deterministic facts of the run right in front of you

[trim rover]

82+ mult green joker

350 some chips square

[scenic sigil]

What about marble joker

[devout wasp]

and it's very hard, because probability is extremely unintuitive to most people

[languid pecan]

plent of situations

stone joker for one

[alpine hollow]

you could sell nova, but you lose on some scaling

[modest spade]

Marble combos with Hologram

[hearty dagger]

square joker any good for pairs run?

[alpine hollow]

marbles my instapick

[devout wasp]

most everyone at a base level wants a recipe to Always Win, and advice winds up being skewed because people have a cognitive bias to just kinda ignore the runs where they held R because it flamed out in ante 2

[scenic sigil]

Why would anyone pick up stone joker

[modest spade]

One of the best

[lunar zealot]

Chips

[hearty dagger]

castle?

[languid pecan]

because its not a bad joker?

[round nexus]

bruhh only joker left to sticker is ramen but it wont show its face

[modest spade]

Scaling chips

[lunar zealot]

Mmmmm chips

[trim rover]

i don't live long without brainstorm

[scenic sigil]

it's da worst joker

[heady narwhal]

for pairs i'd say squimbo ≈ runner ≈ castle

[devout wasp]

if you need chips, you have a few stones, and your blue seals/other planet gen isn't rolling yet

[languid pecan]

ragebait

[lunar zealot]

Mmmmmmmmmmm chips

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm chips

[languid pecan]

yummy chips

[alpine hollow]

yea, sell nova, but dont forget to get the +3 hands at the start of each blind

[lunar zealot]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm chips

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm chips

[heady narwhal]

sometimes the latter two will go a lot faster (handsize, discards, deckfixing) but the base scaling is good enough and squimbo will get you there pretty easily no strings attached

[trim rover]

mmmm chips = plasma + marble joker + whatever joker gives +25 chips per stone in your deck

[lunar zealot]

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

[devout wasp]

like stone's definitely not the best joker but it's also far from the worst, it has more situations of usefulness than something like seance (though seance's top end is arguably better)

[modest spade]

Stone Joker is a functional joker

[heady narwhal]

stoker is not my favorite but i never see it anyways so who give a shit

[devout wasp]

your mentioning this strikes me as a floccinaucinihilipilification

[languid pecan]

a nice thing about stone joker is it only shows up if you have stone cards

[trim rover]

Pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism
Antidisestablishmentarianism

[heady narwhal]

it was useful on the run where i stickered it (+100 chips and i really needed chips)

[languid pecan]

means less uncommon clutter

[scenic sigil]

Seance is one of the few jokers that puts a spectral card in your consumable slot outside of ghost deck I actually like it

[devout wasp]

use german instead, because then you can just whip out extremely cursed words like Rindfleischettiketierungsueberwachungsaufgabenuebertragungsgesetz

[devout wasp]

yea it's not terrible, it's just got extremely narrow situational applicability

[hearty dagger]

I feel like I struggle in early game gold stake

[languid pecan]

sixth sense just feels so much better than seance

[heady narwhal]

i wish hiker wasn't complete ass

[hearty dagger]

do we reroll for investment?

[heavy heron]

this is a pretty funny build cmon

[heady narwhal]

it's a pretty fun archetype

but the number is absurdly low

[scenic sigil]

Always pick up the speculative séance your next discard will give you a straight flush

[heady narwhal]

should be like 10-15 imo

[languid pecan]

thats a lot

[modest spade]

I wouldn't call it ass but uh

[heady narwhal]

fun fact it was originally 1 chip

[devout wasp]

imo, just like how you shouldn't eval a joker by its low roll, you shouldn't eval a joker by its high roll

[modest spade]

It's kind of an overwin ig? Not great in most runs

[scenic sigil]

I had a good 8-ball + hiker run today stickered them both

[hearty dagger]

Eternal stuntman ante 2 worth?

[devout wasp]

this is why bloodstone is in the bottom half of uncommon suit jokers for example

[languid pecan]

8 ball supremacy

[bleak seal]

I take this and sell hallucination right

[heady narwhal]

i got a good hiker setup on gold stake and then i realized that i had 1200 base chips

[scenic sigil]

By the end they were giving like 300+ chips each

if I actually kept track of which cards had the most chips I'm sure I could have gotten to 1000

[languid pecan]

you need a lot of retriggers for it to be worth it

i think hikers a really weird win more

[heady narwhal]

retriggers are uncommon so that means it's useless imo

[languid pecan]

because the top end isnt that strong...

[devout wasp]

yeah an early hiker can go pretty dummy for pretty long, can even save you from needing planets, but yea like 8 ball rat said it really needs retriggers to match gs scaling

[heady narwhal]

i think hiker should be +10 chips or it should be +5 chips and +1 mult

[devout wasp]

hanging chad crying in a corner

[bleak seal]

We hit sock let's go

[scenic sigil]

8 ball + chad + hiker went crazy today

[languid pecan]

1 mult sounds like crazy fun but also kind aop

op

idk

maybe it isnt

actually without retriggers thats not that crazy

[heady narwhal]

i wouldn't think so personally because scaling mult is pretty fast. if you're playing 4oak and you upgrade every card once every round then you're gaining +4 mult/round and that's sort of unlikely to happen

[devout wasp]

i feel like hiker is balanced fine as is

[languid pecan]

thats what i was thinking

[modest spade]

Building your own on-score +mult to go along on-score xmult would be pretty nice

[devout wasp]

it's okay for jokers to not be Excellent

[languid pecan]

agreed 1000%

[devout wasp]

something something lenticular design

[modest spade]

If it ends up ''OP'' when you get a lot of retriggers then aye that's kinda the point of the game

[heady narwhal]

this is definitely true but i prefer a joker that i pick up 7% of the time over a joker that i pick up 0% of the time

[trim rover]

Adios fellas, was a good run, but for this type of run, you cannot expect to pass this lol

[alpine hollow]

hikers good how it is because its permanent, so you can sell it later

[heady narwhal]

you still get the interesting assymetry with high/low rolls

[devout wasp]

i think, for design discussions, one thing people would always benefit from reading is an old magic: the gathering article about "why there are bad cards in the game"

[bleak seal]

Ggs

[devout wasp]

even if you don't play magic the article's points generally apply across a lot of domains of game design

[alpine hollow]

can you link it pls

[heady narwhal]

imo with bad cards you have things like loyalty card and four fingers and then you have things like the idol and showman

[alpine hollow]

thx in advance

[devout wasp]

wasn't sure of the linking rules but i can try

[modest spade]

Four Fingers my goat

[deft panther]

I think this is one of my best runs I've ever had

[languid pecan]

i think so long as every joker has a situation where it alone is the best thing you can get then its atleast decently balanced

[devout wasp]

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/when-cards-go-bad-2002-01-28

[bleak seal]

FUCK

[alpine hollow]

thank you!

[heady narwhal]

it's fun to use the first category to win because it makes the run feel tense and unique, but you can't get the same experience with the second category because they're just 100% useless

[bleak seal]

I ROLLED PAST AN IDOL

[heady narwhal]

hiker is somewhere in the middle i think

[bleak seal]

Save scumming save me please

[languid pecan]

lmao youre talking about how bad idol is and the next message immediately is someone complaining they rolled past idol

[bleak seal]

I have a deck of 20 red seal kings I'm so pissed

Save scumming didnt save me

[trim rover]

Yeah there it is

gg 69 pairs

nice

[vale wharf]

What should I copy? (lucky cards build, 13 6s in deck)

Anything could be copied for a huge buff, I'm not sure what to

[devout wasp]

to sum up that article by grabbing its recap:

1.  By definition, some bad cards have to exist. (The most important reason.)
2.  Some cards are “bad” because they aren’t meant for you.
3.  Some cards are “bad” because they’re designed for a less advanced player.
4.  Some cards are “bad” because the right deck for them doesn’t exist yet.
5.  “Bad” cards reward the more skilled player.
6.  Some players enjoy discovering good “bad” cards.
7.  Some “bad” cards are simply R&D goofing up.```

[hearty dagger]

So many jokers but so little scoring, help?

[languid pecan]

well first of all use all your discards

[devout wasp]

one small thing is throw supernova to the very left, some of your baseball card procs are happening before supernova

[hearty dagger]

Okay

[heady narwhal]

endless mode is crazy

[hearty dagger]

On what

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[languid pecan]

doesnt matter what you have mystic summit

look for odd cards i say

[devout wasp]

also yea throw mystic summit to the left

[hearty dagger]

Okay that helps greatly

[heady narwhal]

i think #3 is interesting particularly w/r/t hiker because i think hiker is pretty good on low stakes

[devout wasp]

general rule, you want +mult to happen before xmult --- (n + 5) x 2 is always greater than or equal to n x 2 + 5

[languid pecan]

tbf baseball card is less intuitive than most xmult jokers

[heady narwhal]

might also help people who use card triggers too much understand the power of scaling i suppose

[devout wasp]

that is very true --- it took me a few plays with it to realize it proc'd the x1.5 on the uncommon itself rather than when baseball hits

[heady narwhal]

that said i don't think buffing the card would remove these properties

[languid pecan]

i know those were from negative skips by the way and negative skips suck but hot DAMN he lucked out with those negatives

[devout wasp]

completely agree on all counts. i personally think hiker is fine as is but i wouldn't be mad if it got buffed a lil bit

[languid pecan]

1 mult on each card sounds kinda fun

[vale wharf]

What will happen to boss blind if I buy heiroglyph?

[languid pecan]

you still fight it

[mortal nimbus]

it stays the same

[devout wasp]

it will still be cerulean bell but at ante 7 scaling

[vale wharf]

Oh no

[languid pecan]

scoring reqs go down and you fight a new final boss next ante

[mortal nimbus]

if you reroll the finisher boss on ante 7 though, you will get a normal boss

[vale wharf]

I'm scared, because I'm relying on lucky cards 5oaks

[heady narwhal]

second chance for vessel!!

[languid pecan]

yikes

this is why i like 4oak better

[modest spade]

This is why 4oak is better

[languid pecan]

way more chances to score if you just play multiple 4oaks

[heady narwhal]

i think lucky cards for scoring are a little bit questionable

cool in emergencies but like

[languid pecan]

if you have enough lucky cards at some point it becomes probable i suppose

and tbf 5oak supposedly gets good scaling

[vale wharf]

Skip tag ftw

[languid pecan]

why did you skip

[devout wasp]

reroll skip

[languid pecan]

oh 5oak

[devout wasp]

sick dodge

[heady narwhal]

inb4 leaf

[devout wasp]

trying to think what i would sell if it were leaf

maybe dusk

[languid pecan]

ok atp relying on luckies is actually pretty good tbf

so many retriggers

with a dice too

not nearly as good as a normal build

[modest spade]

I think you sell chad if leaf

[languid pecan]

but its not as dire as it sounded

[devout wasp]

yea that makes sense too

[modest spade]

Or Bull depending on 5oak level I guess

[languid pecan]

bull is like 500 chips

if they had that many levels they wouldnt be relying on luckies lol

[devout wasp]

on the subject of leaf, i have often done the big brain move of bringing a judgment to a leaf round. though it often feels less big brain when judgment gives me, like, a delayed grat

[modest spade]

It's true...

[sweet bramble]

Verdant leaf pro tip: Bring a luchador to verdant leaf so you can sell it to disable the boss blind. The more u know..

[lunar zealot]

Me omw to sell chicot to disable leaf

[devout wasp]

now that's the real pro tip

[vale wharf]

I should have stuck with cerulean bell 😭😭😭

[languid pecan]

1 piece of glass should work out

[heady narwhal]

wrong reroll tag

[languid pecan]

since youre relying on luckies anyways

just put it at the end of your 5oak

[vale wharf]

Y'all, it's not 🔥
😭

[languid pecan]

and get a justice card

[vale wharf]

I have justice and death now

[heady narwhal]

luchador in buffoon tag trust

[languid pecan]

youre fine

[heady narwhal]

nice

[vale wharf]

Let's see...

[languid pecan]

thats 8x

actually

with chad even more

[modest spade]

two chads and a dusk

[languid pecan]

oh youre giga fine

[modest spade]

that's just gg

[languid pecan]

you dont even need to rely on luckies

you win lmao

that probably wins even without any levels in 5oak or luckies

[vale wharf]

Should I?

[devout wasp]

no

[vale wharf]

And dusk also

[modest spade]

No

[languid pecan]

nah

[vale wharf]

OH YEAH, I CAN USE RETRIGGERS ON GLAS

[hearty dagger]

Trade photo for sock?

[devout wasp]

card sharp on hands like 5oak is a trap in most cases

[hearty dagger]

Cuz he give an additional 1.5x with baseball

[devout wasp]

-1 joker slot for a x3 on only the second successful 5oak is just worse than all the jokers you have rn, especially with the plan of going glass