🕹・game-discussion

[unreal island]

Main vs second file so far

[willow frost]

so when did you get e227

[unreal island]

On pc

:3

[shell dagger]

damn they released a sequel to e33

[unreal island]

This is mobile

[fervent wolf]

Yorick

[willow frost]

ah cool

[tranquil steppe]

YORICK!!!!!!

[willow frost]

interesting how you got just barely more on mobile lol

[serene forge]

bloodstone being in the same tier as green joker should be a crime

what the fuck

[unreal island]

Ante 24 is such a roadblock

[willow frost]

thats so true

[fervent wolf]

Bloodstone is top tier, natural synergy with Dagger and madness!

[willow frost]

you suddenly have to pay attention and its quite jarring

[pale wolf]

i vant to lucky cat

[unreal island]

Im photoing my chad so good

Nah what u really want

Is baseball card

[swift tundra]

Yeah green joker should be higher

[leaden blaze]

Thing with bull is your most likely to want chips early and early on you probably dont have enough money for bull to do anything. £100 is a lot in balatro and that only gives bull 100 chips which is like ok

[unreal island]

200 chips

It gives 200 chips

Which is quite sizable

80% of stuntman

[leaden blaze]

Oh ok i forgot how it works tbf i havent seen it in a while

[unreal island]

Bull is good while bootstraps is ass

[leaden blaze]

Ok maybe id bump it up then

[unreal island]

Genuinely crazy how bad straps is

[leaden blaze]

Yeah

[unreal island]

Only yime i pick it up is for the meme

[willow frost]

yeah lmao

[pale wolf]

should i be scared

[leaden blaze]

Lol true. My nickname is old and i kinda find it cringe now but im known by it on discord so whatever

[willow frost]

yeah its fine

cant say i have the best nickname either

[pale wolf]

no i shouldnt

[fervent wolf]

This was how I got my first gold stake, a month or two ago

[pale wolf]

i love my online alias

🦓

[willow frost]

i know someone in here's onto me being a chinese spy like in that meme

[pale wolf]

the origin is i was 9 years old

[leaden blaze]

Basically i originally got discord purely for the fancade discord community and so for my fancade username i was like uhh what do i call myself idk fancastle kinda sounds like fancade that'll do and that carried over when i got discord

[willow frost]

i was also originated at 9 years old

ah no way i loved fancade

[pale wolf]

lm'fao

[opal delta]

hi everyone

[willow frost]

i was too stupid to make anythhing but still great game

[fervent wolf]

Same, I took skip tags to push past the first 8 years

[leaden blaze]

Hell yeah fancade is awesome

[fervent wolf]

Easy throwback life scaling

[leaden blaze]

I made a few things im quite proud of

[willow frost]

nice!

[pale wolf]

merry andy unlocking be like leap year birthdays

[leaden blaze]

I did fancade a lot in lockdown

[willow frost]

did you get anything good

[fervent wolf]

Yep

[fervent wolf]

I got 7 double tags and an investment tag

[willow frost]

amazing

absolutely rolling in it

[fervent wolf]

Then lost to the plant

Bc my face is a face card

And I couldn't play it

Mr. Bones carried me tho

[pale wolf]

sigh

⏩

[spiral pagoda]

GAAAAHHHHHHHHHH NOT THE PLANT HELP I DONT WANNA BE IN THE PLANTTTT

[fervent wolf]

Joker+: uncommon, $5

+8 mult and 60 chips

[spiral pagoda]

SAVE MEEEEEEEE

[pale wolf]

bla bla

[spiral pagoda]

GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[fervent wolf]

The plant is not that bad

[spiral pagoda]

i was one stake away from beating purple stake

[spiral pagoda]

the deck i had was like entirely reliant on face cards

double stencil photochad brainstorm

[fervent wolf]

Just use a glass card with Chad would've cleared 🤔

[spiral pagoda]

i didnt have one that wasnt a face card :(

[fervent wolf]

[manic talon]

lmao both foil wrathful-lusty

[safe moat]

Brother doesn’t care

[zinc willow]

So.... life was good till it wasnt

[fervent wolf]

Flushes 💔

[safe moat]

What?

[zinc willow]

I thought i did okay, definetly not bad, I just didnt run my deck right. Someone else would've made it further

[safe moat]

You.. hush

[fervent wolf]

Strushes are fun

[safe moat]

Bruhg

[fervent wolf]

I just hate flushes

[safe moat]

Flushes too easy then

[fervent wolf]

Not strushes

[safe moat]

Do you hate flush house?

[fervent wolf]

They're terrible with leveling up

[fervent wolf]

Flush house levels good

[safe moat]

Meh

[safe moat]

Bro

[shell dagger]

Painted might be the BEST deck, here’s why

[leaden blaze]

I just thought in my tierlist i ranked like all of the +hand size +discard ect jokers in c tier cause they never feel like they are worth a joker slot and idk if i should be trying them

Its like i have to give up either econ or scoring to take them

[fervent wolf]

Merry Andy is so worth it

[frank plank]

Is anyone familiar with the gameplsy of the pokermon mod

[fervent wolf]

#⚙・modding-general

[leaden blaze]

Maybe ill try use it more

[tranquil steppe]

Blueprint!!

[pale wolf]

it is pretty dang good idk...

i think it might be better than anticipated

underrated if you will

[fervent wolf]

Especially with yorick, castle, purple seals, rebate

[unborn cliff]

any bets

[fervent wolf]

Foil

[unborn cliff]

going once

going twice

[novel hull]

holo

[unborn cliff]

POLYCHROME!!!!!

[novel hull]

kns

[fervent wolf]

Damn, nice

[unborn cliff]

shop 1 polychrome

its so peak

[pale wolf]

Baron

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379214645742796911/1440127769500455043/screen-20251117-185149.mp4?ex=691d0700&is=691bb580&hm=9b74e3b8abe8e2d863b845b3a205e31e967937813e1a3b128a1c2b0eaf29ed89&

[leaden blaze]

Yeah fair but like rebate kinda carries on its own so giving up another joker slot to support my econ joker but yeah you would get so much econ so it would be worth it for sure. If i had yorick id absolutely take it

[pale wolf]

here's my latest free win

[raw loom]

The black deck nightmare is over 😭🙏 and with it my C+ run

Thank you whoever told me to try two pair you are the

[fervent wolf]

The +3 discards also allow you to find the cards you want without wasting hands on them for only -1 hand size

[pale wolf]

me

[tranquil steppe]

Congrats!!! Black deck was a pain in the ass for me to complete. Pretty sure I beat it by playing high card lol with the most random setup

[tranquil steppe]

Constellation is so clutch in any deck but especially black

[pale wolf]

you sometimes cant use the full value of the discards when you're forced to only throw away 4 at a time

[leaden blaze]

Yeah and actully youd also be able to find your blue seals and stuff. Yeah ok i should probably be taking merry andy

[fervent wolf]

On painted is it worth it

[unborn cliff]

"oh boy what a good run this is"
the humble plant:

[pale wolf]

hel ye

[fervent wolf]

True, Merry Andy is still awesome tho

[pale wolf]

ye

dont feel like playing into endless

[fervent wolf]

Merry Andy works best with Ramen, Grimbo, and Burglar

[unborn cliff]

nice try idiot i have director's cut

[pale wolf]

into... plant again

[unborn cliff]

darn it

[raw loom]

Constellation has to be up in SSS tier jokers that nearly singlehandedly make you win

I got him to 2.5x multi with absolutely no econ joker while I was also spending money to level up Holo, simply 🐐

[unborn cliff]

mark

💔

[fervent wolf]

How I feel when carrying invis joker:

[pale wolf]

@white zodiac

[white zodiac]

the jokes write themselves

[pale wolf]

🥲

[white zodiac]

[pale wolf]

low stakes getting away with it

high stakes i do same and die??? not fair

[white zodiac]

im just reading the script

zebbaa not good

[raw loom]

I really dont know what the hell makes it this hard, the concept seems so simple -1 +Joker but boy is it excruciatingly tough

I had an epiphany of pairs and cleared my 2 month long backlog of 5 decks gold stacks in a single day yesterday but it took me nearly 15 hours of attempts to get through orange and gold black deck

[slate lance]

UR WRONG

[white zodiac]

constellation might be the best joker, here’s why

[slate lance]

That i could consider

[tranquil cargo]

brainstorm might be better than blueprint, here's why

[slate lance]

I like holos scale better tho imo

[minor portal]

my thirty two minute slideshow presentation of why magic trick is a good voucher

[leaden blaze]

I mean its very strong but idk about best joker

[fervent wolf]

Holo is awesome, especially on Ghost deck

[eternal estuary]

Terrible early game leads to terrible econ leads to tons of midgame runs failing

[white zodiac]

@pale wolf they don’t know the bit

[slate lance]

Fr and it has great synergy with dna, certificate and marble

[raw loom]

Constellation is actually quite a bit better than holo, hologram bloats your deck and you have no way to print card except DNA but blue seal printing makes the hands you play stronger as well as scale the Joker

[white zodiac]

what happened to the copy fettuccini arc

[fervent wolf]

Only reason to buy magic trick

[slate lance]

Wait whats that

[minor portal]

there's other reasons! for example:

[raw loom]

Constellation might genuinely be my top 3 joker after photo chad

[cosmic sun]

eata my ass crimson heart

[fervent wolf]

[leaden blaze]

I feel perkeo is the just universally best joker (if you exclude blueprint and brainstorm) going for gold stake? Cracked. Going for endless? Cracked. It doesnt matter what build you have it doesnt matter what your doing it will almost always do loads for you

[white zodiac]

eata

[slate lance]

I mean holo has way more reasonable potential tho with spectrals , tags and other jokers

[north spindle]

cert/marble? also those two are often better in the context of holo anyways imo

(cert is also like in general better than dna)

[cosmic sun]

holo just be hard scaling, also who care about deck bloat

[minor portal]

slice and dice pfp 🗣️🔥

[pale wolf]

hologram is higher variance but still an average near constellation so it often performs better than const.
i think on average constellation is better tho

[leaden blaze]

Slice and dice is the best roguelike ever

Sorry balatro

[slate lance]

Its better early game but not better overall, especially if u already havr several seals in ur full deck

[fervent wolf]

Holo also has synergy with Blue Joker

[north spindle]

obviously there are cases where dna is better but even late game id rather have cert if im doing pairs

[humble gulch]

Random decks tierlist jumpscare

[slate lance]

Inscryption easily wins 🥱
2nd place goes to Risk of Rain 2 though

[cosmic sun]

that is a lot of potential purple seals

[leaden blaze]

Havent actually played either of those

[cosmic sun]

especially with any copy on cert

[minor portal]

plasma in s tier

[fervent wolf]

Don't see my second fav up there...

[pale wolf]

how about:
balatro

[slate lance]

Dna would allow easier and better pairs tho as u can dupe op cards?

[fervent wolf]

This is the winner, best message all day 🙌 👏

[north spindle]

i mean i am agreeing with cert being better?
though w copy i might rather have dna actually lol

[white zodiac]

i have mixed results on different profiles
got more hologram results on harder decks, vice versa on easier decks where const has more use rates lol

[raw loom]

Nebula and painted are so great tho play straights or any hand you want with almost minimal or no downsides

[slate lance]

I love balatro i mean i got 200h but, balatro is just fun. No story, no atmosphere, just strategy and fun
A good story will always beat balatro

[white zodiac]

requires one non pair hand

[cosmic sun]

cryptid 2

[minor portal]

what about an evil story

[slate lance]

That id have to consider
It gives me the heebie jeebies

[humble gulch]

I hate nebula deck, painted is fine i guess

[cosmic sun]

STORY?

[pale wolf]

maybe constellation isnt above the baseline on those decks and the higher variance of hologram lends it to being high enough more often

[fervent wolf]

Good stories cannot outrank the feeling of getting a nat negative Brainstorm and blueprint in the same mega buffoon pack

[leaden blaze]

Im not a massive story guy. Undertale and deltarune are the only games that have me playing for the story

[slate lance]

One non pair hand for a copy of an op card seems fair

[white zodiac]

hologram isn’t fucking expensive which my bias leans more towards

[flint rune]

Did I just see plasma in S tier??? This is probably the worst thing I've ever seen. 100 years from now when I'm dying on a hospital bed and I'm asked what my biggest regret was it will be that I turned on my internet and scrolled through the internet on that fateful day... I will never be able to recover from this. No amount of therapy will save me. No amount of prescription pills will let me recover. I am a shell. This memory is so bad my brain is physically rejecting it and now I have a headache every time I think about it. Why did you post this, thinking it was a good idea? You've permanently ruined my life because of this, I hope you're happy. I hope that one day this gets branded as a war crime and you get hauled off to prison, never to see the light of day again. The fact that you're already not in a psych ward for insanity is so baffling I have lost all faith in every kind of justice system. If you subscribe to any religion, you'd best spend the rest of your time atoning for this ultimate sin. Have a terrible day, I hope this creation of yours haunts you in your dreams.

[north spindle]

is holo really that high variance? i feel like unless you need it to do something NOW it pretty consistently happens

[slate lance]

I love them both too, deltarunes actually my 3rd fav of all time, :3
Have u tried inscryption tho?

[pale wolf]

you can simply get unlucky and not find cards

[humble gulch]

It doubles e's

[pale wolf]

its unavoidable

[flint rune]

It’s also extremely boring

[leaden blaze]

I may have watched someone play it. It does look pretty coop but i have kinda spoiled it for myself. The story is certianly imteresting

[slate lance]

I mean for me they definitwly can, a good twist can bring out that same dopamine rush as a naneinf run can

[minor portal]

scary plasma

[cosmic sun]

so white stake tier list

😴

[slate lance]

I enjoy stuff like ghost of yotei just as much as balatr9

[flint rune]

AHHHHHHHH

[humble gulch]

It's like saying that pairs are the worst hand because everyone do pairs

[north spindle]

there are kind of a lot of things that give cards tho
like you can technically just not roll planets too

[slate lance]

Plasma 1 and yellow last

[flint rune]

Wrong

[fervent wolf]

[tranquil steppe]

Yea I didn’t keep track but I know it was at least 50ish tries for me to beat black deck on gold stake

[pale wolf]

but you have many more sources of planet cards

[cosmic sun]

mmm blue seals mmm

MMMMMMM 3 consumable slots and some blue seals

[tranquil steppe]

Planets go brrrrrrr

[pale wolf]

tarot packs give planet cards, planet packs, shop rerolls, blue seals...

[slate lance]

Whens my rainbow seal coming

That could be a cool 1 in 333 chance actually

[tranquil steppe]

Add mime and you’re cookin

[slate lance]

Make one card all 4 seals

[coral hill]

Plasma gotta go to c

Plasma deck is potential man

[vale mist]

let seals stack

[leaden blaze]

Ive gotten more and more invested in deltarune over time after ch1 i was like "its alright im enjoying" after ch2 i was like "ok im really invested now look forward to ch3 and 4 release" after ch4 im like "OMG I NEED MORE DELTARUNE"

[raw loom]

On average your kinda finding 2-3 planet a shop even more if you have reroll glut or overstock, and let's be real ain't nobody buying magic trick

[tranquil steppe]

Red and blue seal combo go brrrrrr

[fervent wolf]

My ranking

[slate lance]

20 gold seals 🤤

[tranquil steppe]

Not enough cheddar

MOAR

[north spindle]

i mean
yeah but you also need way more for it to count
like each booster pack has >1/4 chance of being a standard pack already

[humble gulch]

Now, this is gold stake

[flint rune]

Wait

[coral hill]

Give me liberty
Give me chips
Give me x mult
Or I DIE

[flint rune]

Where is the remix feature

Why can’t I shitpost anymore

[slow iris]

discord removed it

[fervent wolf]

Where's Erratic

[raw loom]

The challenge decks were such a breath of fresh air

[pale wolf]

meanwhile with hologram you need to run into a specific few jokers, or hit a 40%(?) chance for standard packs on the shop

[slow iris]

why? i wish i knew

[tranquil steppe]

Green deck was a piece of cake for gold stake

[flint rune]

HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO ME

[slate lance]

Tbf i cant rlly relate as i played ch1 when it cake out abd then i was kind of like aware of deltarune but not knowing whats going on
My friend msde me play it a couple months ago and.holy shit its so good

[leaden blaze]

Abandoned deck waa my first gold stake win

[minor portal]

Discord? Removing a feature? This cannot possibly be.

[north spindle]

i mean if ur holding it for a few antes the 40% chance fails to really be a problem

[slate lance]

In hell where it belongs
God its such a boring deck

[pale wolf]

but it can

and it has

[tranquil steppe]

Or crpytid or various other spectrals

[leaden blaze]

Yeah its great

[fervent wolf]

Spectral packs tho, (cryptid, incantation, etc.)

[humble gulch]

It doesn't help a lot anyways

[pale wolf]

yea spectrals are pretty rare too so it doesnt add much of a chance

[fervent wolf]

Erratic is fun wym

[north spindle]

i cannot remember this ever happening to me

[tranquil steppe]

Hologram is great

[coral hill]

Constellation vs hologram debate?

[slate lance]

Not for me 😭 idk why i just dont like it
Its basically like u let a toddler deckfix your fulldeck before a run

[coral hill]

Why compare two baddies

[north spindle]

like ive failed holo on a desperation pull not giving me anything but const desperation pulls are similarly dire

[leaden blaze]

As i say undertale and deltarune are the only games that have gripped me with thier stories so far.

[humble gulch]

Hologram Ghost deck

[slate lance]

PLAY INSCRYPTUONNNNNN

[leaden blaze]

And god has deltarune gripped me

[fervent wolf]

It helps me with learning and getting good at playing with every suit and rank

[tranquil steppe]

Also got license AND blackboard in the same run the other day. That settled the debate. They’re both great

[leaden blaze]

As i say ive already spoiled it for myself

[lost vault]

mya~

[cosmic sun]

hop on peak

[slate lance]

Isnt playing with each suit the same basically
I mean obv ur options are different but u just need to deckfix around what u get

[cosmic sun]

me when peak now exists (I do not mean peak)

[lost vault]

const is more general but weaker overall

[tranquil steppe]

Spades best, diamonds worst?

[slate lance]

Aw :[
What about ghost of tsushima? I gave it a try and i loved it, im playing ghost of yotei rn actually

[lost vault]

overall as in slower scaling

holo is better xmult to money ratio i think???

[coral hill]

Tbh they are interchangeable in my head

[slate lance]

How so

[leaden blaze]

Like for example celeste is one of my favourite games but the story is like fine. I love the characters but i dont massively care about the story

[north spindle]

its comically better

like not even close

[lost vault]

for must runs yea but holo can be hard to fit into stuff like straights

most

[leaden blaze]

Havent heard of it maybe ill look into it

[tranquil steppe]

Arrowhead and blackboard

[slate lance]

Fuck celeste >;[ (i got to chapter 8 B-side before having a mental breakdown )

[coral hill]

Oh i don’t play straights lol

[lost vault]

i play straights when they’re a good option

[tranquil steppe]

Hearts has bloodstone

[leaden blaze]

Im 1000 hours into difficult celeste mods...

[lost vault]

which unfortunatley isnt often

[minor portal]

so hearts don't have anything

[slate lance]

Its a samurai story game by playstation, they make rlly good stories

[north spindle]

the main thing const has going for it vs holo to me is that you can kind of just keep throwing money at it continually

[tranquil steppe]

Hey all diamonds have is a little extra money

[fervent wolf]

Idk, all I do know is that ace builds and 7s go hard on Erratic

[slate lance]

Diamonds has roughgem tho, amazing economy

[north spindle]

but like, i don't usually have gobs of money to force the number up

[coral hill]

I think hologram is more entertaining

[lost vault]

yeah const is more consistent but also slower and more demanding

but hey

[tranquil steppe]

HA

[lost vault]

works well with vlue seals

[tranquil steppe]

You’re funny

[lost vault]

gem’s solid though

probably

[coral hill]

I wonder if rough gem would be broken if it gave $2 instead

[lost vault]

i dont use it

[tranquil steppe]

Roughgem is a garbage econ card

[lost vault]

yes

[slate lance]

Wait why would u ever do a 7?
They have literally no triggers other than odd todd

[minor portal]

satellite

[tranquil steppe]

Also true

[north spindle]

$2 rough gem sounds like an experience

[minor portal]

I wish satellite was better

[fervent wolf]

My deck started with 16 of them

[slate lance]

U shut ur stinky mouth >:[

[tranquil steppe]

How bout no

[white zodiac]

hologram performs better in more difficult scenarios where xmult scaling comes cheap, more affordable scaling when rental. const has better overall scaling in majority of decks that have enough upside to counteract its potential cost sunk issues and also rentals.

[slate lance]

Ok thats fair
Highest ive hsd so far is like 8 of a single rank

[lost vault]

what if it like started at 2 dollars per round

[slate lance]

UGH U MEANIE

[leaden blaze]

True Its fun going "ok fuck my deck i guess lets get to 100 cards"

[coral hill]

Don’t need to deck fix for pairs lol

[leaden blaze]

Exactly

[fervent wolf]

I've had ace builds where I start with 11 aces, then finding scholar or fib makes my day better

[lost vault]

i love ace builds

[fervent wolf]

Same

And 5s

[minor portal]

maybe? there's just too much dedication in finding and then having to purchase all the different planets to get value out of it

[lost vault]

scholar my love

[coral hill]

It is sad that the most optimal gold stake strat (pair spam) doesn’t need deck fixing

[lost vault]

yeah but starting higher at least might make it worth buying

[north spindle]

i think i would like it more if it just
wasn't "rocket ship but with a bad condition attatched"

[leaden blaze]

I dont play pair much just cause its boring

[lost vault]

its nothing like rocket what

[torpid ice]

in only like 30 mins of trying wtf

[north spindle]

its end of round that scales

rocket ofc scales forever and also more conveniently

[lost vault]

theres a lot of econ jokers that work like that

[white zodiac]

one is retroactive and requires more initial investment

[lost vault]

like errh

9

[fervent wolf]

Aces are fun but need a retrigger: Uncommon, $7

Retriggers all played aces, last played ace is scored an additional 2 times

[white zodiac]

satellite is the ft of econ scalers

[lost vault]

i had one in mind but i forgot it

[white zodiac]

mostly usable mid/late game

[north spindle]

i mean yeah they are different in relevant ways

[fervent wolf]

Obviously satire

[coral hill]

Satellite’s unlock requirement is too much for what it’s worth

[lost vault]

anyway sure theyre both econ scalers but rocket and satellite have vastly different scaling conditions

[leaden blaze]

Ill play pair if I get like burnt joker or supernova or something but idc if forcing pairs most of the time is apparently optimal its boring

[lost vault]

its like saying red card us just a better version of green joker

[north spindle]

idk maybe i just also thought of rocket ship bc space theme

[white zodiac]

I like winning though

[leaden blaze]

You dont need pairs to win

[spiral pagoda]

chat i found cavendish (which i havent discovered) but it acc makes my build worse than it is, should i buy just to have it discovered

[white zodiac]

you need pairs to win "a lot"

alternatively you can play one of the 3 horrid decks that have some 2 pair upside if you wanna play that way

[north spindle]

i mean if rc and groker were 2 of 3 scaling mult cards yeah kind of

[north spindle]

none of the 2pair friendly decks im thinking of are bad

unless you count green as 2pair friendly i guess

[white zodiac]

black, plasma, painted

[north spindle]

painted isnt bad and idk why the first 2 would be 2pair friendly

[fervent wolf]

Painted is good

[white zodiac]

not among the 15 decks comparatively in terms of a8 gs streaks or wr

[pale wolf]

painted is definitely bottom half/third of decks

bottom 5

[winged bolt]

Got a pareidolia on deck and the boss blind says "all face cards are drawn face down"

"Hmm yes, nothing will go wrong with it" i say, not noticing the glaring issue

[pale wolf]

maybe

thats what ive heard it considered but im warming up to it

[manic talon]

I LOVE BLOODSTONE GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH (also 2 nat neg poly + wheel)

[pale wolf]

fake

[white zodiac]

black and plasma both benefit from additional planet and base score scaling. two more scoring cards allow more joker freedom in terms of on card score jokers such as fib, trib, wee, scary face, etc

[white zodiac]

I've been warming up to pari lately

[fiery nymph]

[acoustic kettle]

Satellite unlock is how rich you have to be to have a satellite

[fiery nymph]

nice try government

[acoustic kettle]

[tranquil steppe]

Nice setup!!! Bloodstone is goated

Mail in popped up. Should I take it?

[pallid ferry]

today i learned that burglar + loyalty card is a thing

[tranquil steppe]

Wait until you figure out you can copy burglar BEFORE the round begins to get ANOTHER 3 free hands 😉

[fervent wolf]

Parei has forever earned my trust since this happened

[coral hill]

I hope loyalty card gets a rework

[pallid ferry]

i knew that i just didn’t know about burglar loyalty

[slate lance]

I think its fine how it is

Its just very niche

[white zodiac]

which is

not good

[slate lance]

There are lots of niche jokers tho

Loyaltys just an example

[white zodiac]

having very niche uncommons is not something you want to leave behind a game that has a lot of replayability

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[fervent wolf]

Seance is one of them

[long oxide]

Do I pick up both?

[slate lance]

Idk the whole thing about balatro is making what u have/ what u get work

[long oxide]

I assume yes

[tranquil steppe]

X4 is nice if you’re desperate but yea it’s very much not a great card

[coral hill]

I just think loyalty card is uniquely bad

[slate lance]

Seance can be actually fine tho unlike that one which makes tarots for every ace straight

[coral hill]

Like i appreciate other niche jonklers

[slate lance]

Superposition

[white zodiac]

what I would like to work shouldn't be unusable for a huge majority of my runs

[slate lance]

All my homies hate Superposition

[fervent wolf]

Not that bad of a joker

[slate lance]

Idk in the runs ivebhad it ive used it

[white zodiac]

[leaden blaze]

I think it should be buffed to 5 hands

[fervent wolf]

Superposition is actually pretty good

[leaden blaze]

Not a big buff but something

[long oxide]

Dope shop

[pulsar forge]

when doing perkeo + observatory how many plutos do you need for naninf?

[long oxide]

But can I take negative invis

How tf does it work

[white zodiac]

anecdotal evidence isnt evidence

[slate lance]

Thatd be a bit fairer i think yea but u can still make it work under 5 hands
If u have a run thats kinda not exactly good enough for final boss loyalty can give an extra boost if its needed

[tranquil steppe]

lol no

[shell dagger]

1751 on normal decks, 876 on plasma

Assuming zero other scoring sources

[pulsar forge]

that is such cool info to have

but i should've specified lmao

[slate lance]

Then what the fuck do u want me to speak from, theres no evidence that isnt personal experience in A GAME

[white zodiac]

it's ight, not self sustainable is pretty wack

[shell dagger]

Playing a high card 2 drops it to 1746 on normal decks

[pulsar forge]

in this situation, all vouchers yknow

[fervent wolf]

I just think it's not bad, yk, very good early game

[leaden blaze]

Yeah ik but also having it so you can always activate it under the condition that you have managed to get 5 hands would be cool

[lunar zealot]

fuck the 6 of hearts card

[white zodiac]

like if i based everything on anecdotes i could easily make a case for how vampire is the best joker in the game

-vic

[leaden blaze]

Make it slightly less niche

[coral hill]

I love vampire

[shell dagger]

about another 430 id estimate

[lunar zealot]

HUIH?

[shell dagger]

but you can play on the serpent to drastically reduce that number

[slate lance]

No thatd be a bit too easy
Blue deck would be op, and just one voucher could gibe u instant x4 mult

[white zodiac]

treat it as a value gen you don't always need to seek out for to live

[slate lance]

There is a case for that tho

[tranquil steppe]

But why

[white zodiac]

that's where the problem lies

[slate lance]

Theres SOME form of case for a lot of jokers

[pallid ferry]

what 😭

[slate lance]

Bc there isnt a best joker

[coral hill]

Because it’s fun

[fervent wolf]

Obviously yeah, just saying its decent for early tarot cards

[white zodiac]

rebate 👅

[slate lance]

Theyre all situational

[coral hill]

I know it’s not hologram or constellation good

[pulsar forge]

oh god

[coral hill]

I just like the flavor

[slate lance]

Ive personally found that to not be too reliable

[violet bear]

What did the 6 of hearts specifically do, i need to know

[leaden blaze]

I mean you still have to play out your hands it would basically be acrobat but ×4 and more restrictive

[white zodiac]

oh no

[slate lance]

Im much happier with a to do list

[lunar zealot]

i didn't draw it

[white zodiac]

you're not fit for this discussion 😔

[lunar zealot]

so i didn't get any value from sixth sense

[fervent wolf]

It's social distancing, don't mind it

[swift tundra]

True, the only joker I can think of that begs to differ from personal experience is flowerpot, not hate

[coral hill]

Hello im to do list and I LOVE picking straight flush

[slate lance]

Dont patronise me, i just havent found it to be too good

[white zodiac]

remember when hologram used to scale x.1 and obby licks had zero strings attacked

[pallid ferry]

imo there’s not really a best joker, there’s jokers that are really good but with balatro there’s so many builds where a joker is really good
-# i only have 125 hours though i may not know what im talking about

[fervent wolf]

Scribble Joker

[leaden blaze]

To do list picks straight flush and i immediately sell it out of spite

[slate lance]

I mean unless ur insanely deck fixed u won't get more than 20 bucks a round and even then thats luck you need

[white zodiac]

how to unlock the scribbly

[supple veldt]

what about blueprint

just a second copy of whatever your current best joker is

[pallid ferry]

[coral hill]

I think the fact that debating what is and isn’t the best/worst joker can go on for hours shows how balanced balatro is

[violet bear]

Always the hearts that ruin everything

I’m looking at you bloodstone

[pallid ferry]

absolutely

[white zodiac]

we can always go back to x.5 campfire

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[swift tundra]

The best joker is Invisible Joker, I'm highly confident on that

[coral hill]

Wait it used to do that

[lunar zealot]

rebate/yorick/cavendish

[slate lance]

Flowerpot can be amazing with wild card runs tho

[lunar zealot]

debate solved

[white zodiac]

yeah

[coral hill]

Damn

[lunar zealot]

top 1 joker in balatro is mail in rebate

[serene forge]

i prefer calling the scribbly joker a used napkin

[lunar zealot]

there is no competition

[slate lance]

If anything id say jimbo is just kinda not fit for anything rlly

[white zodiac]

too bad it's bugged specifically against wild cards lmao

[fervent wolf]

Baseball card.....are you a FAKE fan???

[lunar zealot]

look i love me some bbc

[slate lance]

Wait is it

[lunar zealot]

but it's not as good as rebate

[serene forge]

youre cheating on bbc

[leaden blaze]

Xmult is xmult and sometimes you can make flower pot work

[pallid ferry]

i started playing balatro last december (or january?) and i don’t know what early balatro was like so i get jumpscared by messages like these

[fervent wolf]

Say that again to me in dms and I'll quote it

[coral hill]

Flower pot has worked for me before

[pallid ferry]

especially when i found out what 8 ball used to do

[fervent wolf]

Parei with faceless

[white zodiac]

rebate is not dodging the balance allegations if vampfire got his numbers yoinked

[coral hill]

There was a time where chad was bad

[safe moat]

Rebate is pretty unbalanced

[white zodiac]

doesn't register as a 4th suit if wild on debuff bosses

[pallid ferry]

i won’t be surprised if rebate gets a slight nerf

[white zodiac]

yeah this is old news atp
and ppl still deny

[leaden blaze]

Flower pot is really annoying to get working but x3 mult can easily make or break a gold stake run

[safe moat]

We could nerf it and make it like castle

1$ per suit discarded

[white zodiac]

hyh

huh

<@&1133519078540185692>

[fervent wolf]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[slate lance]

Just avoid suit debuffs or play around them

[safe moat]

Reporting for duty 🫡

[white zodiac]

that's kinda interesting

[stiff fjord]

i have a vendetta against delayed gratification specifically

[white zodiac]

but still too strong

[safe moat]

You suck

[safe moat]

Still?

[serene forge]

I hate Baron

[white zodiac]

[safe moat]

Girl

[leaden blaze]

Yes

[pallid ferry]

do wild cards work with flower pot or do all of them still need to be all 4 suits for it to work even if they’re wild or one of them is wild (like if i play a hsnd with less than 4 cards and there’s a wild card in it will flower pot work)

[slate lance]

U aint ever played delayed with a troub and juggler i see

[fervent wolf]

It sucks on gold stake

[white zodiac]

2-5 dolla per discard

[robust lance]

guess i should have realized any really meant any

[north spindle]

imo
at least large amts of money are fun
vamp being super strong was unfortunate because it also makes 2/3 of enhancements completely interchangable

[coral hill]

If when but never is

[safe moat]

Wait what?

[white zodiac]

on average

[leaden blaze]

Rebate should be like 3$

[white zodiac]

or best case scenario because yk money talks

[fervent wolf]

Go for ankh 🔥

[serene forge]

all fun and games until the deck gives you a pareidolia or showman start

[robust lance]

fucking ANYTHING HAPPENS IN WHITE STAKE

[pallid ferry]

i’ll enjoy my $5 rebate while it lasts if it even gets a nerf

[safe moat]

Yeah but then it’s more random than its previous version

[leaden blaze]

And chad should be uncommon to stop photochad being as prevelant as it is

[lunar zealot]

misprint just killed me LMAO

[lunar zealot]

you do know you shouldn't buy that right

[fervent wolf]

Take abstract obviously bc onyx is only +7 mult, duh

[languid heron]

How is trib eternal

[robust lance]

they just throwing shit out

[supple veldt]

ive been going white>gold one deck at a time, should i skip black deck until the end lol

[violet bear]

Classic

[safe moat]

No

[white zodiac]

it's one thing to keep money better than your average pickup.

it's a different story when an econ joker has so many things going right that it trivializes any given tag it comes with being that rental/perishable/eternal is essentially ignored more or less

[pallid ferry]

they’re playing a mod with a deck that gives a random eternal joker at the start and they happened to get trib lol

[stiff fjord]

i did black deck early just to get it out of the way

[coral hill]

I think I did it last?

Makes for a good final boss

[safe moat]

Plasma final boss

Arguably harde

[stiff fjord]

i am in plasma hell rn

[north spindle]

i mean it is like extremely strong i just don't find strong econ from discards problematic in the way vamp was

[coral hill]

Plasma likes to waste your time more

[safe moat]

Streak on plasma gold?

[coral hill]

With plasma you will die in like ante 6 or 8 while with black you’ll die in ante 1 or w

[supple veldt]

i thought plasma was just different rather than necessarily being harder lol

[safe moat]

No?

[slate lance]

Not arguably 1000%
Fuck u plasma

[white zodiac]

oh yeah I recently got to 5 wins last week

[north spindle]

like it is really that the thing rebate wants you to do is way more interesting usually imo

[safe moat]

What’s black deck streak

[slate lance]

On goldstake the x2 blind size becomes insane

[white zodiac]

I could've done more but I was like nah

[white zodiac]

also 5

it's on my about me

[honest dawn]

Hi, I'm new to the channel

[safe moat]

This is a discord

[honest dawn]

Can you give me a summary of your conversation?

[white zodiac]

scroll up idk

[lunar zealot]

what are we even doing

[honest dawn]

[lunar zealot]

this is ante 2

[white zodiac]

u can't be fr 💔

[safe moat]

Death

WHAT

ANTE TWO?

[white zodiac]

brooke has like 10 or some shit

[safe moat]

Jesus Christ

[slate lance]

Im guessing the -1 ante voucher

And insane luck

[lunar zealot]

and now let's see my ceiling

[white zodiac]

she picked up a rebate

[robust lance]

take chaos here, right?

[safe moat]

Nah

[supple veldt]

my difficulty is usually finding a source of chips, i end up losing most of the time around ante 5 or 6 unless ive found telescope or started with square/castle

[lunar zealot]

yeah guys i don't think i score enough

[safe moat]

Yeah no

[lunar zealot]

OH HEY

[north spindle]

chad almost for sure

[supple veldt]

and then half of that time i can't find x mult and die to 8 or 7 boss

[languid heron]

Youre gonna miss you draws on aincient trust

[north spindle]

you just win with triboulet other than the plant

[slate lance]

U don't exactly need chips, mult can work just the same for big scores, y just need a high amount

[lunar zealot]

Die

[slate lance]

My goldstake win was mainly chips tho

2 castles and a hologram

I had trib too but it didnt do anything, i got it the shop before just for the sticker

[white zodiac]

do you have a streak

[slate lance]

No

[swift tundra]

@serene forge Invisible joker is Ankh without any downside. With an already strong 3 or 4 jokers you can make ungodly builds with virtually 100% upside. Like how I made this last night. All because of the power of invisible joker.

That's why it's the best

[honest dawn]

What I recommend is playing the first multiplayer game that appears, and leveling up on a planet (I usually play with a pair).But if you get a wildcard that needs another hand, raise the level of that other hand, for example, pants. Then any xmulti is good.

[white zodiac]

#🕹・game-discussion message

[slate lance]

I havent even c+'d yet , im on eratic deck rn

[white zodiac]

rip

[honest dawn]

And if there are mistakes it's because I'm not an English speaker, so I use a translator

[white zodiac]

hf

[honest dawn]

🥹

[serene forge]

i'm sorry i think you meant to post this on reddit

[honest dawn]

Vampire is underrated

[sullen lintel]

riff raff just dropped me a cavendish after it dropped me a gros michel like 5 rounds ago

[slate lance]

Ive had it legit where i play all hands and discards and i still get only 1 or 2

[fiery nymph]

💀

[lunar zealot]

what the fuck are we DOING MAN

[swift tundra]

What do you mean?

[lunar zealot]

WHAT IS THIS

WHAT IS HAPPENING

[robust lance]

photo thinks they a part of the team

[lunar zealot]

WHAT AM I DOING

[lunar zealot]

WHAT THE FUCK

[honest dawn]

Riff raff in gold stake is crazy

[lunar zealot]

I FOUND DIRECTOR'S CUT

I WIN

[white zodiac]

better than given alternatives on average. the probability of landing any of your cards and with given deck fixing of any sort, it's objectively overtuned

[plucky shuttle]

dude, shut up. turn off your caps lock

[white zodiac]

that's no dude

[sullen lintel]

Riff Raff is my favorite joker

[lunar zealot]

shiver me timbers

[supple veldt]

i thought vamp sucked

because lucky cards good and vamp makes lucky cards unlucky

[lunar zealot]

'dude' btw

[north spindle]

i kind of wish it was given the aj treatment (i.e. picks from all ranks randomly regardless of deck)

[swift tundra]

Oh, to be fair I'm just trying to naneinf once, not really trying to win necessarily

[serene forge]

"Invisible joker is Ankh without any downside" this is not even true, the downside is that it takes 2 rounds minimum to do literally anything and it's not even guaranteed to copy what you want it to, this isn't like blueprint where you just need to get some sort of ok-ish joker and you're doing good, with invis you need to already have good jokers, not have bad long term jokers, and also survive while you try to get it online, and also, baron builds are never ever happening in gold stake, endless meta is completely different and far from balanced which is why it's never a point of contention in this kind of evaluation

[sullen lintel]

vamp mid most of the time but when you farm tarots or have a midas mask it gets goated

[white zodiac]

the number is the only issue. it was fine when it was at 3

post +1 discard update it'll fit right in with the other econ

[honest dawn]

I thought that without Midas it was bad, but then I learned how to use it and I'd say it's better than Constellation. But I don't know.

[north spindle]

oh i just think the image is funny lol

using baron/mime for endless is real

[white zodiac]

I wouldn't go that far but it's almost up there

[slate lance]

Idk it also kinda limits ur chance of playing a specific hand type u need tho

If i need a flush and I just dig for rebate

I might not get it

[white zodiac]

pair meta doesn't care what cards you get

[slate lance]

Not every run is suited for pairs

[swift tundra]

oh ok fair points, I really like it, more of a personal opinion expressed with confidence I suppose

[slate lance]

Don't get me wrong i love em

[supple veldt]

idk im also under the impression when you're just playing ante8 any unconditional xmult is good

[pale wolf]

nearly

[slate lance]

But u arent always gonna do pairs

[lunar zealot]

oh hey i found retcon

[white zodiac]

a huge majority of runs are built up of 2oak

[honest dawn]

In gold stakes, I usually play at even par.

[lunar zealot]

do i even buy that photo

absolutely not

[white zodiac]

leave him on read

[supple veldt]

photochad sock n bussy

[sullen lintel]

maybe drop rebate? I would if youre just going for ante 8

[honest dawn]

Sometimes I play something else, but mostly it's pair

[slate lance]

Not exactly a majority id say, altho it is my fav hand

[lunar zealot]

this is gold stake i'd rather just win

[north spindle]

theres no way pairs aren't >50% right

[pale wolf]

probably wins the run outright over rebate

[serene forge]

nah

she already winning

really hard

[white zodiac]

it is a majority. this is already proven via win streaks and c++ with no losses with a majority of runs operating on pairs (67 consecutive wins)

[serene forge]

I hate Photograph

[lunar zealot]

WHAT THE FUCK I GOT 4 MONEY SHOTS IN A ROW

[sullen lintel]

dont call them that

[honest dawn]

Pairs is the most consistent hand, simply because it's better than high card because it has double vision and duo, plus it scales in chips 50 percent better than high card.

[fallen plover]

So far so good

[lunar zealot]

bell

[honest dawn]

Pair +15 chips and high card +10, that's a big difference on the high scale

[lunar zealot]

unironically the least bad boss blind for me here is violet vessel

and you know what

i have retcon

[white zodiac]

yeah

[swift tundra]

@serene forge invisible did get me my plasma gold stake win by copying non-eternal runner three times, maybe that's why it holds a special place in my heart

[white zodiac]

gaming

[lunar zealot]

let's do this the easy way

[honest dawn]

And it's better than double pair, because double pair isn't always as consistent, whereas pair is impossible to play badly.

[fallen plover]

Should be easy

[white zodiac]

I get it

[fallen plover]

Does chicot hate still exist?

[lunar zealot]

nope

[honest dawn]

For me it's green leaf (I think that's how it's spelled in English).

[lunar zealot]

people who hate chicot are stupid

[honest dawn]

The boss who doesn't enable you to use cards except if you sell a joker

[lunar zealot]

Very large blind

[fallen plover]

Why do people genuinely hate chicot he saved my ass multiple times

[lunar zealot]

get flushed, idiot

[fallen plover]

The needle

[pale wolf]

he didn't save their ass multiple times

[lunar zealot]

9XR3T48P

[white zodiac]

not stimulating enough for big neuron activation

[lunar zealot]

early brainstorm is fun

[white zodiac]

so ive heard

[lunar zealot]

as much as i bully brainstorm i like it

[supple veldt]

if you see an early tagless riff raff is it like...holy shit opop click moment?

[fallen plover]

Do you guys prefer brainstorm or blueprint

[lunar zealot]

blueprint

[white zodiac]

neither

[honest dawn]

Flush is good with Ancient Wildcard or Heliotrope; on its own it's not that great because the planet scaling is bad, but with either of those it's top-tier.

[white zodiac]

(need stickers)

[fallen plover]

You must be the real joker

[lunar zealot]

wh

i know

don't get me wrong i do not play flushes remotely

oh hey wee joker

gg

[white zodiac]

the two flush runs I've had on black deck were hell on earth

[honest dawn]

I made a tier of the best jokers in gold stake a while ago

Do you want me to send the tier list for you to analyze?

[white zodiac]

im good thx

[honest dawn]

There are some things I don't agree with right now, so I can correct it too.

[plucky shuttle]

trib in A tier is all i needed to see. wtf lol

[fallen plover]

Place chicot in S

Baron in F?

[vale shale]

I beat the hardest challeng in the world

[white zodiac]

#🕹・game-discussion message

[vale shale]

A.k.a inflation

[honest dawn]

Gold for me, yes

I can't use it properly

[fallen plover]

Ohhhhb gold stake

[white zodiac]

it's always gs

[north spindle]

trib in a feels fine to me? like its the worst legendary but the others are all very strong so

[pale wolf]

purple joker in A tier below only pants

interesting

[north spindle]

putting chicot under it feels like a much worse problem

[fallen plover]

Triboulet + hanging chad + photograph

[vale shale]

Bro's a certified joker now

[stiff fjord]

i think perkeo > invis

[honest dawn]

The problem with Trivoulet is that it has a blind boss.

Maybe, Invisible Man would bring it down now

I used to think Invisible Man was a step below Flat and Brainstor,but it's better than the rest

[north spindle]

the list generally undervalues econ i think

[honest dawn]

Now I think that perkeo

[raw loom]

Do debuffed glass cards have a chance to break ?

[pale wolf]

no

[serene forge]

fair

[north spindle]

i mean i think its probably the most defensible overall tier list i've seen posted here in recent memory lol

[pale wolf]

i disagree

[north spindle]

i definitely could have missed one you saw

[pale wolf]

some takes like c9 in c tier just above satellite are wiiild

[white zodiac]

I like zoahls tier list

[vale shale]

Where's the most agreeable tier list

So I can judge it

[honest dawn]

Currently I put the path in s

[lavish perch]

hold up

[pulsar forge]

perkeo in s tier is funny

[honest dawn]

I've consistently taken it to a x4.

[crystal field]

perkeo is twisted

[honest dawn]

Yes, perkeo s+

[north spindle]

for sure
the competition in my head is like "vagabond in f tier" level takes happening 15+ times in the list tho

[lavish perch]

...

[honest dawn]

And down to the invisible man

[crystal field]

holy eff i love six cents

(never takes it)

😔

[pulsar forge]

this was my list

[crystal field]

i will probably not make a tierlist till im done with c++

[honest dawn]

Vagabond is a very good support, but its problem is that you put your finances at risk.

But it works for a campfire

[lavish perch]

i keep forgoring the effects and i gust never use it in runs

[pale wolf]

misprint, splash, matador, four fingers, 8ball, even smeared really shouldnt be in the bottom tier

[honest dawn]

Mime is the best

[crystal field]

canio :((((

[vale shale]

3 seconds in. I asked where tf showman is in my head.

[lavish perch]

id put trib and perk higher

[honest dawn]

Not counting Brainstor and Plano, the best for me in Gold are Canio, Perkeo, and Mimo.

[crystal field]

i can recognize canio is good but just hate that guy down

[pulsar forge]

dude i forgot where it was lmao

[honest dawn]

Mimo is so good, I love him

[north spindle]

immediately i notice the rare hand xmult jokers
the pair one is arguably the strongest and definitely better than the flush one imo

[lavish perch]

and madness pmo💔

[sacred moon]

Why do people hate splash, if you have a free joker slot it synergies with so many things

And it’s cheap

[lavish perch]

ig its good early game it just isnt valid late game after ante 7 or 8

[vale shale]

Rtb in a but red card in B. Interesting tier list I suppose.

[raw loom]

Do I get rid of the 2x pair for some other joker for the gold stake ? I have observatory so winning is not an issue

[pulsar forge]

huh i do agree with you there

[midnight tartan]

me personally, it’s because there’s many other things i would rather take instead

[pale wolf]

I used to be splash's #1 later

[sacred moon]

Just bc a joker isn’t in your final slot at the end of the ante doesn’t mean it’s not good

[vale shale]

#1 later

[pale wolf]

[north spindle]

the synergies are mostly very weak

[white zodiac]

later
why not now

[pulsar forge]

honestly i made this tier list a while ago might redo it

[crystal field]

is splash a pokémon reference

❤️

[lavish perch]

i mean ofc but like theres much better

[honest dawn]

Yes, the pair is very good as a double view, but it's better because it doesn't require any conditions, whereas in double view you have to play a club card and another of a different suit.

[lavish perch]

still love splash tho🔥

[pale wolf]

hater!!

[crystal field]

saw yo mom at seaworld i was in the splash zone splash splash she spl

[north spindle]

think it was mistranslated; talking about pair and flush jokers there and not mentioning seeing double

[pulsar forge]

duo is straight up better than double vision

but since duo is rare and double vision is uncommon

ehhhh

i do agree some of the jokers are in funny spots

specially red card/rtb lmao wtf was i thinking

[pale wolf]

seeing double can work with straights where duo cant

[pale wolf]

without ff

[pulsar forge]

but i also didn't do this list with like orders inside the tier lists in mind

im not that psychotic

[crystal field]

whats ff

[pale wolf]

four fingular

[crystal field]

oooouhr

[north spindle]

not having idol in the bottom 3 is also wild

and baron is also super high

[crystal field]

whats the worst scaling +mult

[north spindle]

assuming tiers are ordered

[pale wolf]

bootstraps?

[crystal field]

yeah ill take it

[pulsar forge]

true...

[pale wolf]

or maybe swash

[crystal field]

if not boot then fortune teller also

[pale wolf]

nah purple joker is okay

[north spindle]

swash is weird bc when it scales i think its actually like fine

[pulsar forge]

they're not in order 🫠

[north spindle]

it just usually doesn't

[pale wolf]

purple seals are so good they boost purple joker up

[crystal field]

swash needs egg or gc to be actualy scaling each round consistently

which is ass

[lunar zealot]

massive wee

[crystal field]

i think of swash more as a temporary mult situation like abstract or mystic

[lunar zealot]

also lmaoing at the ante 8 antimatter

[pulsar forge]

swash works most of the time it's needed tbf

[north spindle]

still i think literally everything in tiers lower than it is stronger than idol

[honest dawn]

Which one is the purple Joker, the one that makes you play with spades?

[white zodiac]

bootystraps or ft in terms on early utility

[lunar zealot]

2

[pale wolf]

[honest dawn]

It's because some jokers change their name depending on the language.

[crystal field]

in terms of early utility the worst by far is jj

[fallen plover]

I think gluttonous

[pulsar forge]

wait hold on loyalty card is so low

nah dude i gotta redo this list

[royal ore]

prob stone joker perhaps

[crystal field]

but jj is love

[pulsar forge]

dogshit ahh list

[fallen plover]

Gluttony joker

[crystal field]

uh

[pale wolf]

that is not

[crystal field]

yeah

[royal ore]

oh +mult only

;-;

[sacred moon]

Loyalty card should be that low

[pale wolf]

i mean +mult tends to mean

[north spindle]

fortune teller

[pulsar forge]

nah

[honest dawn]

Gloton is only useful at the beginning or if it has an effect like any other Joker

[fallen plover]

No for spade suit cards

[white zodiac]

jj can still technically work with boosted early econ albeit not very well

just be like zeba and get 50 bucks in four rounds

[honest dawn]

But it's very meh

[sacred moon]

I feel like loyalty card is a multiplayer joker xdd

[crystal field]

this is always possible on yellow deck

jj is best for yellow deck imo

[north spindle]

i thought they asked what purple joker was?

[pale wolf]

purple joker

[crystal field]

but if your econ bad….

[honest dawn]

Ahh

Ok

[white zodiac]

I was referring to rotating decks for no bias

[crystal field]

this is ,,,,

[honest dawn]

Purple Joker, if that's it, it's top-notch.

[pulsar forge]

true....

[honest dawn]

I use it quite a lot now

[crystal field]

icic

[honest dawn]

What position did I put it in?

[amber forge]

Can you still strength and suit change stone cards? Cause I want to get polycrome without idol not going king

[fiery nymph]

hey there is two golden joker

[crystal field]

in a vacuum jj sucks as a source of super early +mult

[pale wolf]

it is too high on your list but it is not the worst scaler

[sacred moon]

I like purple for being retroactive but if it’s good by the time you see if you probably deck fixed enough where you don’t even need the +mult

[crystal field]

but if im hanging by on 2 shit nult jokers by ante 4 im so happy to see jj

[fallen plover]

Ante 39 you go

[white zodiac]

jj's performance completely depends on your econ joker setup

[stiff fjord]

i love fortune teller

[safe moat]

Not close for ante thirty nine

[pale wolf]

retractive is kinda a downside and an upside since 25% of them will be not viable long term

[fervent wolf]

Use another enhancement to make them a random rank/suit

[crystal field]

also jj is my banner because hes so fricking cute

what a cute little guy

[white zodiac]

don't you mean 30%

[sacred moon]

That’s kind of what I mean, it’s counterintuitive

[white zodiac]

or like 25% of the scalers

[pale wolf]

something along those lines

[sacred moon]

You want +mult early but it will have none, it’s good +mult late but by that time you’re doing xmult alr

[white zodiac]

[pale wolf]

i can't control those percentages so i don't pay attention to them

[amber forge]

So can you still strength/sun stone cards?

Ok, thanks

[crystal field]

if only there were more situations to take retroactive scaling +mult late

[white zodiac]

balatro wiki says 30% so I listen to Lars and the crew

[pale wolf]

yup You can watch their position change in the deck view

[sour quail]

mfw no jack

[white zodiac]

the point of retroactive scalers is to switch them over your existing proactive late

[crystal field]

huh

is that really the purpose

[pale wolf]

well thats the usual situation they are useful

[crystal field]

mmmmm ic

[vale shale]

Bro has no real jokerd

[white zodiac]

albeit few scenarios you'll switch them unless you wanna switch rtb for ft if you wanna actually use face cards for a secondary source of something

[pale wolf]

either that or when you barely scrape by on tarot gen/planets

[white zodiac]

or not die to funny water

[vale shale]

I like that word albeit

[crystal field]

riiiight

[sour quail]

i had level 15 straight

also im gold stickering

[vale shale]

The sad.

[crystal field]

fell for anaglyph bait

[north spindle]

i mean the numbers on retroactive scalers not named "cloud 9" are just sort of bad right

[viscid mango]

so um

[sour quail]

?

[unreal island]

this might be the most useless brainstorm ever

[vale shale]

Ccicpt

[crystal field]

anaglyph sticker strat

[unreal island]

does nothing and dies

[sour quail]

it was speculative

[north spindle]

credit card in buffoon pack

[unreal island]

telltale ahh decision

[viscid mango]

?

[honest dawn]

Best decks in your opinion at gold stake

[viscid mango]

nope 😭

[sour quail]

spectral pack for immolate then buy both

[viscid mango]

i took the spect pack and there was no immolate

[fallen patrol]

checkered and ghost

[crystal field]

this happened to me

[fallen patrol]

mostly checkered though

[unreal island]

yeah sure buddy view the deck maybe that'll help

[viscid mango]

and no credit card 😭

[vale shale]

You should've just. Bought the bp

[viscid mango]

u right but i wanted to gamble

[crystal field]

but $10

[fallen plover]

Can you give me the seed when your done with the run

[vale shale]

I'm ngl I'm just restarting that if I get both bp and bs but couldn't afford both of them

[fervent wolf]

Drop the seed when you're done

[fiery nymph]

🥹

[viscid mango]

7MVM6355

[fallen plover]

Thx

[viscid mango]

exactly 😭

[balmy ridge]

mmmm... do i go idol or baron

[viscid mango]

cuz i couldn’t reset cuz it wouldn’t let me after spectre

[lunar zealot]

In an ideal world you sell idol for mime

and then start duping eris

[potent tree]

well this isn't an ideal world

[lunar zealot]

this is the double negative perkeo trib seed

There is observatory

[balmy ridge]

no observatory

[potent tree]

in fact it's a pretty crap world.

[lunar zealot]

yes there is

[balmy ridge]

no it wasnt seeded

[lunar zealot]

Sure

[balmy ridge]

i used brainstorm for negative perkeo

[viscid mango]

😀

[balmy ridge]

and there was a trib too i guess

[viscid mango]

lmfao

[lunar zealot]

I think you should still be duping erises

for speculative observatory

[balmy ridge]

yeah true