🕹・game-discussion

[signal frigate]

Vampire is weaker than most cuz it's slow but that's pretty much it's only downside

It'll ramp up eventually

[narrow wadi]

the more i use it the more i think vampire isn't even that bad, it's just that all the other scaling xmult jokers (other than madness) are so much better

it's probably like a b+ tier joker for gold stake

just the rest are a-s tier

[signal frigate]

It's funny how my friend thinks Constellation is shit

[narrow wadi]

lmao, ig if ur bad with econ constellation can be slow

[signal frigate]

I keep proving her wrong but I think she just fucking hates it

[wintry ice]

what's next

[narrow wadi]

but with any decent econ joker it scales fast af

[wintry ice]

throwback is strong?

[narrow wadi]

i forgot this lol

i forget throwback exists whenever i talk about xmult

[signal frigate]

I will make propaganda posters saying Throwback should be put down

[narrow wadi]

cos throwback is just always a reroll shop for me

[red thistle]

Idol's consistent.

[signal frigate]

It's possibly the worst Xmult joker in the game

[wintry ice]

no like does your friend think that

[signal frigate]

I don't know her thoughts bout Throwback

But she thinks Constellation gives too little

[red thistle]

Yikes.

[narrow wadi]

she just needs to use it more to realise how fast it scales lol

this was me with red card

[wintry ice]

it's like

[narrow wadi]

on paper i thought red card was bad so didn't use it

started using it

[signal frigate]

I used to be the same with Red card too

[wintry ice]

0.4x per round on average

[narrow wadi]

realised it scales wayy faster than i thought

[signal frigate]

An entire fuckin mult if given enough money

[wintry ice]

i got red card to +100 once

[narrow wadi]

imo this is a bit excessive lol, i do sometimes wanna be taking what's in the packs

it's the mega packs i love with red card

pick the best one then skip

[wintry ice]

the packs weren't feeling it that day

i think i also got a joker from a mod that gives you up to 5 booster pack tags so ig it's a bit skewed

[narrow wadi]

tbf only hermit early is gonna make me not skip (or maybe like blueprint or a crazy buffoon joker) it's only after i get it to maybe +30 that i start taking more tarots

[wintry ice]

i think i'd take most sources of chips or economy from buffoon packs

[narrow wadi]

with space i take any econ joker unless it's like eternal satellite when i haven't used planets

and anything that scales

other than throwback/ madness lol

maybe not vampire, depending on if i have other xmult

[floral mural]

red cards real good even if your packs are good around half the time because thats still like 50 mult

and they arent good half the time

theyre better than 3 mult like 1/6th of the time or something like that

[narrow wadi]

this is a sell fool buy riff raff angle right lol?

[shell dagger]

standard packs are blue seal or bust

[wintry ice]

if i have a blue seal or a good chip generator celestial packs are just +3 mult

[shell dagger]

i wanna say yeah

[signal frigate]

It just shows how fast it scales

[narrow wadi]

it takes a crazy shop for me to sell a fool round 1 lol

[shell dagger]

like if you used one fool on a judgement and it popped out foil riffraff would you be happy

[signal frigate]

It's perishable but those chips are nice

[narrow wadi]

for sure, idt perishable matters at all

[narrow wadi]

5 rounds of riff raff is enough

perishable doesn't rly matter

[floral mural]

this is perishable but this cardies you early and can get you off the ground probably

[signal frigate]

I know but for one fool is bugging me

[narrow wadi]

it's early scoring and econ, one of the best r1 jokers

[signal frigate]

It's the right pick though

That'll get you out of ante 2 to 3

[floral mural]

would you use that fool on a judgement?

[signal frigate]

If it gives you Rebate, that's a blessing

[glad sequoia]

Absolutely

[floral mural]

generally early on

[narrow wadi]

depending on what it spits out i could only need it 2 eounds lol

[signal frigate]

Probably

I usually just use my fools on either hermits or devils

[floral mural]

so obviously you take riff raff here

[narrow wadi]

i took the riff raff dw

[signal frigate]

That's my "I want hermits" side talking though

Riff Raff is the right play lol

[floral mural]

i find magic deck fools are good to save but also not for the high roll

if you get something good to copy copy it now dont wait forever for the hermit

[narrow wadi]

riff raff for 5 rounds is probably around a hermit of money from selling jokers

[signal frigate]

The high rolls are sometimes worth it, that's why I'm willing to die for them if I see an opportunity

[narrow wadi]

and that's without needing to get 20 first

[wintry ice]

if i get mercury i save the fools for later still

to give scaling jokers more time to scale

[narrow wadi]

even just selling 2 jokers per round gets to 20 bucks over 5 rounds probably

ppl don't realise riff raff is great early econ

[glad sequoia]

I like using it for either level 3 pair off one mercury or triple hermit. Depending on what I get

[signal frigate]

I thought everyone knows that

[twin lantern]

+riff raff itself could CREATE econ jokers

[signal frigate]

The only one that matters is Rebate

[narrow wadi]

maybe, i should've done a quick survey to not spread misinformation mb

[narrow wadi]

i take pretty much any early econ joker tbh

then look to pivot into rebate

[signal frigate]

Good, thought I had to correct

[twin lantern]

hot take: rebate should give $-1 🗣️

[signal frigate]

It's still gonna be pretty good

12 dollars for one discard

10 dollars for 1 discard

[narrow wadi]

imo it's kinda a fine joker to be overtuned, it has a ton of skill expression in maxing out ur money with working out how to underscore blinds to see more cards

i like it when things with a high skill ceiling are the meta

[signal frigate]

It's kind of in the middle spot of "This is really strong" and "It's fine the way it is"

[wintry ice]

it definitely needs to be tuned down with the blue stake rework though

[signal frigate]

But I feel like it's fine because it does need some level of luck to make it work

[twin lantern]

chat didn't read this again

insane

[signal frigate]

Or skill depending on the way you look at it

[wintry ice]

the literal only case where you don't take rebate is when you have burglar

[signal frigate]

Ah yes, I will now intentionally bankrupt myself

[narrow wadi]

i think if they made it 4 then it becomes less broken with just using ur discards immediately and hoping to find the right cards, it's only completely broken when you use ur brain to work out how to see the most cards possible

[signal frigate]

My dumbass is tunnel visioned as fuck so I just pick up rebate even though I'm running greeny+Burg

[twin lantern]

or when you're about to lose next round and need scoring smh

[glad sequoia]

I think faceless could use a slight buff, feels very weak compared to rebate

[signal frigate]

I don't think so

Again, you only think that because Rebate is fuckin strong

Faceless is actually fine

[narrow wadi]

rebate and green is kinda ok imo, u can generally use 1 discard a round and still get decent money and a net +2. idk what burgg is

[wintry ice]

constellation is weak compared to yorick

i don't think it's a good comparison

[glad sequoia]

Rare vs uncommon

Common vs common

[signal frigate]

Yeah well it's hard to do that when you have no discards

[narrow wadi]

idk yorick is legendary and constellation is uncommon, rebate and faceless are both common

[glad sequoia]

Legendary I mean

[narrow wadi]

ohhh burg is burglarrr!!

i get it

[signal frigate]

Constellation may very well be a legendary

[wintry ice]

good joker vs overpowered joker

good joker vs overpowered joker

[narrow wadi]

i didn't know what burg was

[signal frigate]

The rarity doesn't matter

[narrow wadi]

this is not true

[glad sequoia]

It is very strong

[narrow wadi]

higher rarities should be more game warping effects

[signal frigate]

In a different context it should

But Constellation being uncommon yet being that strong though

[narrow wadi]

it's not that much stronger than like hologram

[wintry ice]

should a common joker be so strong that it overshadows good uncommon jokers that serve the same pourpose as it

[narrow wadi]

i think u need some good scaling xmult at uncommon to make gold stake feel better to play

[signal frigate]

Rocket is Uncommon isn't it?

Yet it's still only slightly weaker than rebate

[glad sequoia]

Rebate feels like an uncommon lol. So insanely good

[narrow wadi]

huh, i have it a lot weaker

getting $15 is pretty easy to do consistently with rebate, that takes 7 antes to get on rocket

[glad sequoia]

Can be copied, works with deck fixing, comes in before interest at end of round

[signal frigate]

It depends on which ante you get it but generally, that part doesn't matter much, it's still a pretty strong Econ joker

[narrow wadi]

u only get the same at ante 8

[wintry ice]

yeah but i'm just estabilishing that comparing jokers with rebate is going to provide obviously skewed results

[signal frigate]

It practically solves your econ early

I like Rocket alot

[narrow wadi]

i do pick it up early but it's only arguably better in ante 8 if u get it ante 1, and also early econ is better than late econ imo

[signal frigate]

An ante 1 rocket I'd argue is as strong as a Rebate

[wintry ice]

rocket and cloud 9 are tied for third best econ jokers

[acoustic kettle]

Golden jimbo my goat

[glad sequoia]

Round one hex'd rocket is always a good time

[signal frigate]

Golden Jimbo is just good, and that's great

I like that it's not amazing, nor horrible

[glad sequoia]

I think Golden ticket is probably second after rebate

[signal frigate]

It's just good

[signal frigate]

I was wondering what the second was

[acoustic kettle]

Golden ticket can be the best under some conditions

[white zodiac]

rocket is a late investment pickup that works

[acoustic kettle]

But most of the time it's rebate

[wintry ice]

midas

[signal frigate]

Since it practically doesn't need you to do anything to get it's benefits

[narrow wadi]

tbf early midas feels so great

[signal frigate]

Oh yeah, that one exists

[white zodiac]

golden is amazing given the payout in a single round

[acoustic kettle]

Number 3 is gotta be perkeo

[narrow wadi]

early midas feels better for me than early rebate, even if early rebate is better

[signal frigate]

It's the one joker that makes Pareidolia feel a tiny bit useful

[narrow wadi]

perkeo cld be better than rebate maybe

[signal frigate]

It's rarity is holding it back

[white zodiac]

early midas doesn't pay for itself in one round while being able to be sold to provide benefit

[narrow wadi]

ur sleeping on the paredolia, sock and buskin, wee joker combo

[wintry ice]

mayb

[acoustic kettle]

Well yeah that's why it's below rebate golden ticket midas

[wintry ice]

if you get a joker you get a joker

[narrow wadi]

i said feels better, i get rebate is the better econ by far lol

[signal frigate]

I'd rather get hack than sacrifice a slot for a joker that does nothing than making me easier to die to the plant

[neon light]

If you are multy copying temperances of 20 bucks perkeo could be better for econ

[glad sequoia]

Midas is great for getting license online too

[narrow wadi]

this was the joke lol, i have once actually used this combo in gold stake cos i had sock and paredolia in the same shop with an early wee joker

and it was like round 3 so i had space

[signal frigate]

This is what I usually use it for actually

[white zodiac]

whats rarity gotta do with how good a joker performs upon pickup

[signal frigate]

I laughed when I realised it

[signal frigate]

Hey, I said this

[wintry ice]

bbc synergy

[signal frigate]

It matters alot more if it's an econ joker I suppose

[white zodiac]

bbc
@kami

[stiff fjord]

i had a run with photochad + canio + pareidolia once

[signal frigate]

But Legendaries on their own could be argued as an "Econ joker" thanks to Temperance Value

[neon light]

I don't think it's the bad part about pickup more so the fact you don't get it that often unless you run seeded runs a lot

[stiff fjord]

it was a bit scuffed but it was also very fun

[signal frigate]

Canio and Yorick still the best legendaries though

[wintry ice]

i don't think that should make a joker be considered worse

[slate lance]

What do yall think vagabond or trousers

[wintry ice]

trousers

[signal frigate]

I think trousers

[acoustic kettle]

Pants

[neon light]

Trousers

[slate lance]

Yea fair enough

[signal frigate]

You got two fools already, you only need one good tarot

[slate lance]

Too early for a good vagabond going

[wintry ice]

vagabond is great but pants sets up lategame scoring

[neon light]

If you were on green deck or wtv the card and discard econ deck was then vagabond every time

[slate lance]

Why so? 🤔

[signal frigate]

I need to get used to Green Deck so I'm gonna play Gold stake on it alot to get a streak

[wintry ice]

green deck makes vagabond better and worse at the same time

[neon light]

Cuz there you don't start with any interest buffa

[white zodiac]

rarity and joker viability are not associated with each other in any form. just take a look at tribe and baron compared to rtb and runner. vice versa photograph compared to aj or stuntman

[wintry ice]

a little more towards worse because you can still get to interest with the amount of gold and lucky cards he generates

[neon light]

So you can always go back to 0 bucks

[signal frigate]

Constellation, Yorick

[slate lance]

Ig so

[neon light]

Rtb?

[wintry ice]

ride the bus

[signal frigate]

You could swap these two and it'd feel the same

[neon light]

Thanks

[signal frigate]

You'd think Yorick should be legendary if they've been swapped lmfao

[wintry ice]

i don't think constellation is as powerful as a legendary without outside help

[signal frigate]

I think it can pass as one, Planets aren't that rare in shops

[acoustic kettle]

Yorick as non legendary with that scaling is insane

[dense wraith]

pretty clean win (I didn't need lucky cat either)

[acoustic kettle]

Unless you tune it down

[white zodiac]

well yorick doesn't ask for much compared to const with any tags

[wintry ice]

the fact that blue seals are so sought after indirectly buffs constellation

[wintry ice]

but you have to spend money to get planet cards you wouldn't think about otherwise

[white zodiac]

planet frequency is less of an issue as is the money you splooge to get it online fast enough

[wintry ice]

yorick doesn't need you to change how you play the game

[signal frigate]

Actually you right

[slate lance]

I mean it can

What if u got a no discard thing going

Like burglar, green

[signal frigate]

Legendaries don't ask for much

But sometimes constellation just feels like it's a legendary joker

[wintry ice]

yorick can still work really well with green joker

[slate lance]

Imo scales pretty slowly

Legendaries scale fast

[wintry ice]

and burglar is the singular exception and it's an uncommon

[white zodiac]

a single uncommon existing doesn't completely debunk the way you play the game initially

[signal frigate]

That's what you'd think until suddenly, it's 5x in ante 3 to 4

[slate lance]

How so if ur basically taking as many away from green as u can

[wintry ice]

0.3x mult on average with synergy with the strongest thing in the game is nothing to scoff at

[signal frigate]

Same with Yorick

[wintry ice]

getting it to 4x is trivial

[signal frigate]

You could have 1 discard

[slate lance]

Well that's if u get it in like round 1 lol

[white zodiac]

and burglars discard removal omits well, any joker/boss/seals that works with discards

[signal frigate]

And you could still get it to 5x in no time

[signal frigate]

Even if you get it mid to late, it's still pretty good

[wintry ice]

scaling at +3 mult per round is good enough if you're guarrateed fast scaling xmult

[wintry ice]

getting 5x on ante 7 or 8 is not bad either

[signal frigate]

+2 is good enough yeah, one discard and then 2 hands

Plus, pair spamming is a thing

So you can still scale it well

[wintry ice]

you always play all hands with green joker anyways

[white zodiac]

grimbo doesn't really care about discarding after a couple antes and ante 3 is usually the first ante where you're reasonably going to open an arcana and not get under interest cap

[signal frigate]

And also what she said

Constellation is deceiving

It makes you think it's slow until you blink once and suddenly it's 10x

[void topaz]

how far have you guys gotten with chips on plasma

[slate lance]

Well yea but obviously scales pretty slowly there cause lets be fr, unless u have super mega econ u wont he getting like more than 2 planets per shop

[wintry ice]

they don't have to come from the shop

[signal frigate]

Ante 13, I was surprised

[wintry ice]

blue seals are already sought after

[void topaz]

that is quite far

[white zodiac]

planets have multiple sources of generating

[signal frigate]

Bro, planets costs like 2

[white zodiac]

3

[signal frigate]

Basically the same

[white zodiac]

😐

[signal frigate]

But with how cheap they are, you don't need to be rich to make it work

[wintry ice]

tell that a 50% difference is basically the same to a statician

[signal frigate]

And blue seals exists

[slate lance]

Yea but then the rerolls

[wintry ice]

trollface

[white zodiac]

50% price increase

[signal frigate]

Blue seals being the most powerful seal in the game makes that trivial

[wintry ice]

you should be able to reroll once per round if your economy is doing well

[signal frigate]

At most, you're getting 0.3xmult per round

[white zodiac]

celestial packs cost 4
100% increase

[signal frigate]

And then counting the planets you get from shops, 4 to 6 on average

[white zodiac]

this is excluding any rentals

[void topaz]

planets also free up a joker slot for chip joker

[signal frigate]

In one round, you're almost getting 1 entire xmult

[void topaz]

like at some point chips jokers become fake

[white zodiac]

where did you get that statistic

planets have a shop weight of 4 in the shop by default (4/28)

[signal frigate]

Im counting the rerolls

With mega packs, it's 4 yeah

[white zodiac]

according to all the lovely workers at balatrowiki.org

[signal frigate]

They're considering the econ you're at

[wintry ice]

i think counting celestial packs you're getting like 2-3 planets per shop with just interest and a basic econ joker

[slate lance]

What do ee think is more worth it to copy with fool
Death or Hermit

Beginning of ante 2

[wintry ice]

hermit

[signal frigate]

And they say it's slow

[white zodiac]

herm

[wintry ice]

what do you have to copy with death

[signal frigate]

That's half an xmult per round

On average

[slate lance]

Sometimes u get no celestial packs

[white zodiac]

on paper vs in practice

[signal frigate]

Unless you get really lucky and got a glass polychrome card on a standard pack, I'm picking Hermit

[white zodiac]

I wouldn't even death that

[signal frigate]

How often do you think that comes up?

[slate lance]

Nothing rlly just could start having a higher chance to get like a pair

[wintry ice]

there's no reason to copy death then

[slate lance]

Quite a lot. Ive had like.no standard packs appear when i got holo

[narrow wadi]

1 round left on riff raff, i'm obviously getting rebate over credit card, then i think i sell swashbuckler (no egg or space and an eternal rental) and golden to get 2 more random jokers

[signal frigate]

That really doesn't reflect on its viability

[wintry ice]

you still have the shop and blue seals as a source of planet cards

and they're guarranteed

[narrow wadi]

unless i roll into something better

[white zodiac]

you're gonna throw away 20 dollars to attempt to not whiff the second easiest hand to draw

[signal frigate]

I think Hologram could be slightly worse due to it potentially fucking up your deck

But it scales relatively faster than constellation

[signal frigate]

And again, you're not even counting the best seal in the game

[narrow wadi]

i think hologram is barely worse than constellation, fucking up ur deck doesn't rly matter with pairs but constellation imo scales faster with any decent econ joker

[wintry ice]

a statistical improbability should not be taken as the norm

[signal frigate]

Blue seals make constellation scale like Yorick

It's pretty good

[white zodiac]

hologram is slightly better because of how cheap and harmless it is to get it online. better than const with rental

from my eyes

[signal frigate]

I still think Constellation is better just cuz it has less risks

[white zodiac]

const risks are just it being expensive which isn't something to ignore

[wintry ice]

they're about the same

[narrow wadi]

valid imo, i feel better picking up early holo- and with a spectral pack the highroll is crazy. constellation is obviously better later but is much more of an investment

[signal frigate]

Well BARELY yeah

[floral mural]

there is ups and downs to both but theyre different ups and downs so theyre about equal imo too

[signal frigate]

Scale similarly and still pretty strong

[narrow wadi]

i'd say the opposite tbh, with how cheap holo scaling is it's much safer, constellation has the bigger highroll

[white zodiac]

const works better with stronger tools via blue seals and celestial packs

[floral mural]

i wonder would you prefer vampire or drivers license more in a run where you have lets say a cartomancer feeding you tarots

[signal frigate]

Again, Constellation doesn't fuck up your deck

[white zodiac]

hologram works with cheap sources

[wintry ice]

hologram has a higher ceiling with the card generating jokers while constellation doesn't need you to bloat your deck with potentially useless cards

[signal frigate]

It's cheap but it comes with risks

[narrow wadi]

driver's license probably, if i have a couple good enough jokers to last an ante or 2

[signal frigate]

Constellation only needs you to buy planets

[narrow wadi]

if i have an awful joker setup then vampire

[narrow wadi]

i feel like in gold stake this rly doesn't matter much

a big deck is completely fine for pairs

[wintry ice]

hologram needs you to take potentially useless cards while constellation needs you to spend money on things that would normally be useless for you

[white zodiac]

const also solves your chip/mult slowly overtime, it's just up to the run if you get it fast enough to see the scoring results pay off

[floral mural]

comparing hologram and cobstellation also depends on your current situation

[signal frigate]

That's kind of the problem though, you're not taking duplicates to scale it

You're taking any card just so it can eat good

[white zodiac]

prob vamp if I STARTED with one

[floral mural]

if youre running pairs you could take whatever and probably still draw a pair every time

[signal frigate]

That can potentially tank your deck

[floral mural]

lets says as ante 3 find then

[signal frigate]

Of course, the issue is nearly gone if you have DNA

[floral mural]

you have cartomancer and either drivers or vampire

[narrow wadi]

this is fine, sure it dilutes blue seals which hurts a bit, but ur still picking enhanced cards from card packs

[white zodiac]

prob vamp still

[narrow wadi]

it's very rare i see no card with some kinda card buff

[signal frigate]

Certificate might be good for the seals

It gives you a seal and scale Holo

[white zodiac]

cert and blue seals can function very well on its own without their x mult counterparts tbf

[white zodiac]

without hologram you just take gold cards and blue/purple seals most of the time

[signal frigate]

I was wondering if it'd be funny to have an enhancement that makes a specific card always appear as your first draw like in Cryptid

[signal frigate]

There's a code card that does this

[floral mural]

vampire is honestly much less reliant on you already having done some enhancing than drivers license is so dare i say i usually prefer it over drivers license

[narrow wadi]

rental acrobat over green joker?

[wintry ice]

i think hologram can work fine with larger hands

[white zodiac]

alternatively there should be a finisher blind that bottom decks all of your enhancement cards

[wintry ice]

i'd rather sell abstract

[narrow wadi]

i have tarot mult scaling and rebate that wants me to discard, green joker is not great for me

abstract has 4 rounds left

[obsidian patrol]

You can make it work

[narrow wadi]

is a good 15 mult for safety every round while i scale

[wintry ice]

well it's perishable while green joker is permanent and can give more than 15 mult

[narrow wadi]

my main question is do i even take acrobat? i feel like yes

[wintry ice]

alternatively you could sell mad joker

[narrow wadi]

i forgot i had mad joker lmao

ur completely correct

[white zodiac]

from what I'm thinking so far, I think hologram does better in the worst case situation (rental, cheap card packs for x.25) while const ramps up more consistently in a better scenario (blue seals, good econ turning into a higher x mult gen per round)

[narrow wadi]

that is the play

[rancid niche]

Is this where I can ask dumb questions and get smart answers?

[wintry ice]

yea

[narrow wadi]

i can't promise smart answers but u can definitely ask dumb questions

[rancid niche]

Awesome thanks

[narrow wadi]

i just asked a very dumb question where i forgot i had mad joker

[signal frigate]

Why green?

Mad and Abstract is right there

[narrow wadi]

i forgot i had mad joker lol

[signal frigate]

Yeah, sometimes you'll get dumb answers but that's the fun of it

[white zodiac]

@wintry ice oh yeah I threw your checkered streak yesterday cause I forgot that flushes at base level has over 3x the amount of chips as pairs in that it would've been able to clear the a2 wall with nova

[rancid niche]

It's alright that's pretty cool anyway

[white zodiac]

mb

[wintry ice]

the shop before the wall had a chip joker

[signal frigate]

Good to have you here

[floral mural]

arent checkered deck flushes like almost as easy to draw as pair?

[signal frigate]

Stupidly easy

[safe flower]

Ante 1 Polychrome Green Joker vs Foil Supernova

[white zodiac]

was it enough for wall (idk what the chip joker do)

[signal frigate]

It's almost 50/50

[wintry ice]

yea but you can play less of them per round so supernova scales less

[floral mural]

hell with paintbrush its gurranteed

[white zodiac]

o

[wintry ice]

though flushes have better mult scaling so maybe that makes up for it

[white zodiac]

if it was any other hand mult scaler I would've probably said pairs

prob

[wintry ice]

if i had like grimbo i'd do both

[white zodiac]

yeah

[wintry ice]

if i had red card i'd do both

[balmy ridge]

calculated

[unreal elbow]

i wanna get this baron, which card is best to get rid off rn?

this is my current deck btw

[wintry ice]

what's your high card level

[rancid niche]

A first shop rental perishable baron and blueprint is just trolling

[rancid niche]

I picked banana and died on ante 4 anyway

[unreal elbow]

average flush enjoyer

[rancid niche]

Why do you need DNA?

[white zodiac]

current build is not stable enough for baron pickup

[unreal elbow]

for copying steel kings

[rancid niche]

You got tarot merchant?

[obsidian patrol]

Son

[astral gulch]

nice, my record upgrade is 21 on two pair

[unreal elbow]

nah i don't think so

[violet bear]

incredible

[wintry ice]

rocky situation

[violet bear]

truly

[unreal elbow]

i'll trust this for now

[violet bear]

the head doesn't know what hit it

(it was a rock)

[rancid niche]

Look you might be able to replace trading card or DNA for a baron but you'll most likely fumble the run, you don't have a mime or a red seal for a baron build right now

[unreal elbow]

no true haven't had any read seal pickups anywhere so it would be bad

[rancid niche]

Awesome

[white zodiac]

the problem lies within the lack of plutos

[rancid niche]

And the lack of deck fixing as well

[unreal elbow]

i'm just a girl innit i'll lock in

[rancid niche]

Maybe fix your deck around a pluto build and thennnn you will find your baron again

[unreal elbow]

okay okay thaaank you

[rancid niche]

Sure

Jeez yesterday I threw away what might've been the best flush five run I've ever had

[tranquil cedar]

suboptimal my ass

[rancid niche]

Nice

[tranquil cedar]

get bluestickered 🔥

[fading cobalt]

I hate straights

[heavy heron]

do you think trib is good for beating ante 8 gold stake

[fading cobalt]

Yes

[white zodiac]

he can be good enough

[heavy heron]

you don’t know how many times i’ve ran into this situation LOOLLL

[heavy heron]

thank you

[heavy heron]

thank you

[wintry ice]

needs more work than the other legendaries

[rancid niche]

Yeah why wouldn't it be lol

[heavy heron]

i got into an argument w like 4 ppl last night and they all said trib sucks for beating ante 8

i was like

are we being serious right now

[wintry ice]

just take a mult joker for earlygame just incase

[fading cobalt]

True but if photochad is viable in ante 8 gold stake then why not trib

[heavy heron]

they also said photochad sucks

[rancid niche]

Trib can be a free win most of the time

[heavy heron]

LOOLLLL

[fading cobalt]

Why do people send random discord servers and how do we dispose of them

[heavy heron]

go ask kami what he’s smoking

[rancid niche]

WHAT

[wintry ice]

she

[heavy heron]

GO ASK KAMI WHAT BRO IS SMOKING

she

[white zodiac]

virus 😍

[wintry ice]

on-card scoring is usually going to be worse than on-joker scoring

[fading cobalt]

They probably got hacked

[heavy heron]

pov my level 5 full house hitting 100k with queens and kings is bad in her eyes

[heavy heron]

well, we all know that

[wintry ice]

making full house mildly useful is pretty impressive

[rancid niche]

Photochad is the definition of free win. Chad itself can be a free win with a glass card and a blueprint or brainstorm copying it

But you'll need levels in whatever hand you're playing

[heavy heron]

but then they went on about how it loses to like… plant? pillar? and the 4 suits but i disagree completely; pillar you can counter with any enhancements at all, and suits you have 3 shops to change your suits

plant, sure

[wintry ice]

that's what makes it more costly than the average green joker (insert chip source) run

[heavy heron]

the mark? no not at all

kings and queens easy to find

[white zodiac]

given you form the correct poker hand

without unlocking throwback

[heavy heron]

3 oak viable, 4 oak viable, 5 oak viable, full house viable, flush house viable, straights somewhat viable, flush five viable

anything 3oak and above works with trib

hell i’ve even seen pair trib LOOLLLL

[fading cobalt]

I just got eternal idol then eternal baron

[heavy heron]

just need a chad or two

[fading cobalt]

The run wants me to go endless

[white zodiac]

I just played 2 pairs for my recent trib run

[wintry ice]

two pair makes sense

[heavy heron]

even without a single retrigger trib can beat ante 8

[wintry ice]

16x mult

[heavy heron]

it’s not a question

[burnt topaz]

Jesus I’ve seen like 5 odd todds

[fading cobalt]

Hey man

[wintry ice]

backtalking is petty anyways

[fading cobalt]

Thats abit crazy

[burnt topaz]

Including a negative one

[white zodiac]

makeshift photo hang

[fading cobalt]

I would've taken it

[burnt topaz]

X32 isn’t crazy

[heavy heron]

i was shown an argument about how

constellation

hologram

is better w pairs

i was like

bro

they work with any build

[burnt topaz]

I did but i was forced to feed it to the dagger

[heavy heron]

so i made this

[fading cobalt]

"trib can beat ante 8"

Looks inside
Hologram+constellation

[heavy heron]

they said chad is speculative

and they had a stuntman?

[white zodiac]

um

[wintry ice]

the joker that wants you to make larger hands less common is better with smaller hands

[heavy heron]

okay, so let’s rewind

[wintry ice]

wow

[fading cobalt]

Also full house is inconsistent for ante 8 builds

[heavy heron]

i can’t make 2 full houses?

and obviously by ante 8 you’d be stronger than 2 jokers

[white zodiac]

normally I try not to go for bigger poker hands since I've been playing black deck nonstop

[fading cobalt]

Consistently enough for this argument to defend tribs viability? No

[wintry ice]

you're rarely going to get 2 full houses of the same rank in 1 round

[heavy heron]

you’re right; let’s rewind again

[wintry ice]

and like

you're still dead to vessel

[burnt topaz]

A single photograph makes this beat anything except violet vessel

[fading cobalt]

How much are we gonna rewind? Is this a back to the future movie?

[burnt topaz]

Or you could add hanging Chad and go to almost 800k

[heavy heron]

you’re telling me by ante 8

you can’t make a 5oak?

[fading cobalt]

Five of a kind is even less viable lmfao

[heavy heron]

THIS IS WITHOUT OTHER JOKERS

[heavy heron]

wtf

excuse me

you can’t make a 5oak build by ante 8?

not one strength? not one death?

[fading cobalt]

You can but drawing it on blue stake and above is hard

[heavy heron]

not one hanged man?

[heavy heron]

i disagree completely

[fading cobalt]

Its still inconsistent bro you're missing the point

[white zodiac]

and plant
flint
eye
wall
suits/pillar given suboptimal card draw

[heavy heron]

i’ve made absurd amounts of 5oak builds

[burnt topaz]

Hanged man doesn’t get you to a five of a kind build

[heavy heron]

and i strictly play gold stake

[fading cobalt]

How often do you get a level 7 5oak by ante 8?

[heavy heron]

agreed

[fading cobalt]

Like make it level 1

Whats the scoring now

[burnt topaz]

If you want a five of a kind build play ghost deck and find a cryptid.

[heavy heron]

but but you went 24 shops without being able to deck fix towards an extremely easy hand type, i don’t know what you’re doing

yes it’s not always offered but if you survived 8 antes

you should have a build working

[wintry ice]

why go for lvl 7 5oak

[heavy heron]

because 5oak is amazing?

[white zodiac]

why go for 5oak in the first place lol

[heavy heron]

and easy to deckfix?

[obsidian patrol]

In what world

[heavy heron]

wow

[white zodiac]

deck fixing is only one of its few concerning problems

[heavy heron]

you can check how much it scales if you want

[white zodiac]

same as 4oak

[heavy heron]

then, what else?

[white zodiac]

with 5 chips

[obsidian patrol]

Thats why pairs are the best hand cause they scale good obviously

[wintry ice]

5oak

extremely easy hand

[heavy heron]

everybody knows pairs are good but you don’t run trib on pairs

[heavy heron]

yup!

[wintry ice]

least obvious ragebait

[heavy heron]

you don’t need to worry about suits, you just need to death or strength towards 1 single rank

[white zodiac]

I can show a couple black deck runs 😜

[obsidian patrol]

Only for genius

[white zodiac]

that

[heavy heron]

okay well you’re.. you

so

[white zodiac]

what

[wintry ice]

like just go with 4oak instead

the scaling is basically the same

[heavy heron]

okay case in point, 4oak still works with trib

so what’s our deal LOOLLL

[white zodiac]

dilutes planet pool making it harder to find specific planets, card draw difficulty early on, certain boss blinds that hinder first draws/card draw, bottom decking, etc

[rancid niche]

If you're playing 5oak what's stopping you from doing flush five?

[heavy heron]

easy to build towards rank, not always easy to fix suits at the same time

[white zodiac]

each factor limits alternative existing hands from working frequently in an average situation, now imagine how much worse 4oak does on average

[rancid niche]

Not that hard to fix suits tho

A few deaths early on can do most of the job

[white zodiac]

well you usually try to fix suits for a different reason

[heavy heron]

well yes, planet pool is harder but maybe i’m the only maniac filling my inventory with random planets + random planets at shop before opening packs, so they never show up again

[steep iron]

what a syrengy

[heavy heron]

it’s not my biggest hand type

but it’s not low either

[wintry ice]

if you're deckfixing towards specific ranks, most of them will be of an specific suit

[heavy heron]

well it is kinda low huh

[heavy heron]

i disagree

[white zodiac]

im just saying it's strictly worse with no direct benefit

[heavy heron]

strengths give you 2 of a rank, doesn’t affect suits

[white zodiac]

compared to other alternatives

[wintry ice]

because you're encouraged to copy a seal or enhancement

[rancid niche]

How many hours do you have in the game?

[heavy heron]

it doesn’t tell you on mobile

[white zodiac]

3oak/2 pair is the usual trib safety net

[rancid niche]

Oh I see

[wintry ice]

you can check your playtime on mobile

[white zodiac]

im like 5 c++ hours in if you include all the hellish streaking I've been doing

[rancid niche]

I have 106 hours on steam and I also play on mobile. On steam my most used planet card is Mercury and the second is Pluto

[jagged torrent]

You can track play time on mobile

[obsidian patrol]

How

[jagged torrent]

On androids at least

[heavy heron]

the point i brought up 5oak for trib is that the base mult is 12, you don’t even need planets for it to be strong (although it’d help of course) and my problem with 2 pair is that the base mult is really bad so you somewhat need to find either retriggers or smth that adds mult before trib triggers

[quartz ember]

tbh full house is perfectly fine with trib, and you can go even less, but going for more complex hands of the same cards is just asking for bottom decking with no extra benefit for a8 runs

[heavy heron]

agreed, it works

but my argument for 5oak is purely high base mult without need planets to survive + in my opinion, easy to fix towards

i didn’t know there was a disagreement there but i can see it

[rancid niche]

Kind of a fresh profile lol

[heavy heron]

but in my opinion, building towards 1 single rank is not the most difficult

[wintry ice]

it's somewhere in settings

[heavy heron]

really? how?

it only shows you screen time i think

per week

which.. well

[quartz ember]

it may not be, but its inconsistent to go for 5oak

[white zodiac]

the disagreement is consistency being ignored for a flat number locked behind a difficult hand to land in argument of consistency for a legendary

[heavy heron]

doesn’t tell you everything

[wintry ice]

what is the information that led you to this stance?

[heavy heron]

experience

[wintry ice]

what experience?

[heavy heron]

my own experience

if it wasn’t obvious

[wintry ice]

i've played the game for 1k hours and done c++ twice and think.you're delusional

anecdotes don't mean anything

[white zodiac]

I do not see this happening on a regular if it was streaking or c++

[heavy heron]

well, not everybody pair spams is all

but you can think what you wish

[wintry ice]

?

[heavy heron]

i respected your opinion; you can agree to disagree

[white zodiac]

whuh

[wintry ice]

?

[heavy heron]

want me to repeat myself?

[wintry ice]

opinions can be criticised

[heavy heron]

you can believe what you wish; we can agree to disagree

[heavy heron]

yes, i agree but there’s a difference between criticizing an opinion and calling someone delisiaoncl

delusional

[heavy heron]

not very constructive

[wintry ice]

specially when they're actually not an opinion and are actually a statement

[heavy heron]

LOOLL

[rancid niche]

Exactly

Painted deck is disgusting

[wintry ice]

can't really apply subjectivity to statistics

[heavy heron]

you can play the game how you wish if it’s working for you

[wintry ice]

moving goalposts

[heavy heron]

but if you’re having trouble deck fixing towards 5oak and calling it unviable, i suggest you try it more

[cerulean parcel]

What would a c++ be like?

[heavy heron]

bro i wish i could find my hours

[wintry ice]

every time where 5oak is useful 4oak is better

[heavy heron]

then go 4oak LOOLL

like

my opinion doesn’t stop you from yours

[jagged torrent]

Ah sorry I think it might be a Samsung only thing:(

[burnt topaz]

I actually can’t decide… Sixth Sense helps me but using dna to just make mountains of red seal polychrome stone cards or something is funny

[wintry ice]

?

[heavy heron]

damn that sucks

[narrow wadi]

on gold stake how good does a joker need to be to not open buffoon? like i'm staring down a perishable summit rn and for me that's good enough

[cerulean parcel]

Flush five is crazy

[heavy heron]

another reason why ios sucks

[jagged torrent]

Didn't mean to spread misinfo

[heavy heron]

you’re good

[white zodiac]

well I never really stated an opinion. most of my runs are calculated with statistics and numbers relative to reasonable poker hands. 2 pair being the first alternative to an x16 trib, 3oak being a second alternative for a higher flat and higher planet mult for x8 benefit. 5oak is way far out of the safety net to be labeled as a good poker hand for trib

[jagged torrent]

You could get a sudo game launcher from git hub, with a little bit of tweaking if you're on android:)

[burnt topaz]

Do I get dna or sixth sense?

[heavy heron]

“way far out of the safety net to not be labeled as good” so.. it is good?

maybe you mis worded

[white zodiac]

5oak is not good

[heavy heron]

fascinating

[white zodiac]

given the statistics I've ran through

[jagged torrent]

What's your best card and, dna does cause a lot of deck bloat

[narrow wadi]

i heard 4oak is better given how similar the scaling is and how much easier it is to keep stuff held in hand

[heavy heron]

i mean objectively it sucks compared to 4oak, yea

scaling is borderline same

[jagged torrent]

How many six's do you have?

[white zodiac]

scaling is objectively not the only glaring issue

[burnt topaz]

My deck is abandoned deck +16 stone cards, no enhancements, editions, or seals.

[heavy heron]

yes, we went over that already

[white zodiac]

which I have already listed other issues in-

[narrow wadi]

i would assume if ur thinking about 5oak it's cos ur deck is already fixed an insane amount and can make 5oak

[jagged torrent]

I never unlock 5ok in any of my runs it's just better to go for flush5 😔

[heavy heron]

“my problem with 2 pair is that the base mult is really bad so you somewhat need to find either retriggers or smth that adds mult before trib triggers”

[rancid niche]

Lol I almost never play 5oak

[wintry ice]

i only play 5oak with wee

[heavy heron]

i don’t know if you ever replied to that but that’s my opinion on two pair w trib

[jagged torrent]

Take 6 sense

[wintry ice]

i think two pair scaling is enough with 16x mult

[jagged torrent]

It's pretty good value for you

[zinc karma]

Valid

[wintry ice]

just needs a secondary xmult source

which then makes trib as good as like green joker in that scenario

[heavy heron]

weeeeeee

[white zodiac]

did you consider the x16 and it's reasonable planet pickup that harder decks usually incline you to do

[jagged torrent]

How big is you're wee?

[rancid niche]

Better yet, what's the biggest bull you got?

[heavy heron]

i agree 16x is agree but 16x does nothing if your base mult is 2; hopefully you find the planets you need to make it work

in fact you’re entirely dependent on planets at that rate

entirely

(and possibly die to flint)

[white zodiac]

which is an objectively good resource to obtain

[heavy heron]

yup, agreed

[jagged torrent]

Uhh like 37k chips on plasma so it was basically useless 😔 💔

[white zodiac]

flint turns my x16 to an x8 oh my

[heavy heron]

not always accessible, but it is

[heavy heron]

yup

[white zodiac]

far more accessible than your 5oak start up

[rancid niche]

I beat gold stake mostly by being rich, money solves most of your problems

[white zodiac]

in a worst case to average scenario

[rancid niche]

37k? WHAT

[heavy heron]

i wouldn’t call it a start up, it depends where i am

[white zodiac]

going for the peak of the middle bell curve for consistency

[heavy heron]

funny enough i sometimes lean to full houses

for trib

[slate lance]

Just beat my 5th goldstake with this

[jagged torrent]

Ante 38 run lol, it did get a bit tedious at times

Tho lol

[rancid niche]

Makes sense

I never even reached ante 30

[narrow wadi]

the marble, holo, drivers license goes crazy ngl

[zinc karma]

With stone?? Damn

[narrow wadi]

that's a rly cool lineup for gold stake imo

[wintry ice]

trib is like the one usecase for full house

[slate lance]

Its not marble lol

Its stone joker

[narrow wadi]

oh mb i get the 2 mixed up

[wintry ice]

stone is a good sticker to get early

[slate lance]

Yeah dw their designs are rlly similar

[narrow wadi]

they're both kinda stone jokers

[slate lance]

Yea i also got loyalty card on my previous goldstake

[slate lance]

I got stone pretty late on tbh

I got a rlly gooe copy of a 5 which I just maxed out as much qs I could

[narrow wadi]

i'm assuming it's the one that adds stone cards with the build, it's the one i pick up less tbh given the one for chips is pretty damn good with like 4

[slate lance]

It was a poly purple seal 5

[zinc karma]

Yheyre not, but the ability is similar

[narrow wadi]

they got what i meant i think, i mix up the 2 stone card jokers

[slate lance]

I have the one with the chips rn
Marble: adds stone cards
Stone: 25 chips per stone card

[narrow wadi]

ah cool tyty, i pickup stone more than marble tbh given marble is only good with hologram and i pickup a few towers in packs regardless of synergies

just cos stone cards are good

[slate lance]

Their designs are similar tho? Both look like stone

[slate lance]

I woulent say marnle is ONLY good with holo

Its pretty good with pair/ high card builds id say

[white zodiac]

depending on where I am is less frequent than basically being able to do it on the spot without major deck overhaul that jokers outside of trib will tell you to do.

consistency is a factor outside of trib so I'm not gonna be randomly making those runs before getting trib. it would be after then in which the first 2 reasonable poker hands (2 pairs, 3oak) have a better transitioning point than the third most difficult hand.

trib objectively doesn't need a higher flat mult/scaling if it's locked behind greater margins of deck fixing which also involves a hefty amount of rounds and smackaroons to spend.

[jagged valve]

Tbh marble feels like a good name

Wait that's a card??

[narrow wadi]

true, but in these builds (pair more than high card) it's rare to find a situation where it's better than what ur replacing

[heavy heron]

yup

didn’t disagree

[zinc karma]

Marble has a white border and is a bit yellow
Stone is just jimbo carved in a stone card

[heavy heron]

LOOLLL

[slate lance]

Marble joker is one that adds a stone card to ur rull deck at the start of every round

[white zodiac]

u got me thinking

[ocean yoke]

Faceless deck build like this

[jagged valve]

Ohhhh right yeah

[narrow wadi]

bro, i got confused between the 2 very niche jokers that work around stone cards, this is not that deep

[jagged valve]

When I looked at it it felt more like a mummy joker

[heavy heron]

well stop thinking

full houses suck

[jagged valve]

Can't really see it as marble

I may be stupid

[zinc karma]

They do not look alike

[white zodiac]

she made me think of my recent weird fh build

let me find it

[slate lance]

Imagine holo with marble, certificate and dna

[heavy heron]

there’s a theory where if you play 3oak and a pair together in one hand, the game just crashes because that hand type doesn’t exist

[slate lance]

If u dont have every single joker memorised you'll confuse the two

[narrow wadi]

i've had holo, marble, stone in gold stake before which was fun af

[jagged valve]

I hope we get more texturized card enhancements

[slate lance]

Hell yeah

[jagged valve]

That looks tasty

[narrow wadi]

my deck was like 80 cards by the end of ante 8 lol

[jagged valve]

Awesome combo

I never did a stone build

U had flat mult tho?

[burnt topaz]

DEAR GOD NOT CANIO

[narrow wadi]

tower tarots are generally pretty good in high stakes, this gives u a lot of flexibility in picking up the chips stone joker

the adding stone cards joker is harder to synergise with

[burnt topaz]

LETS GOOOOO

[jagged valve]

I'm being haunted by Canio too

[narrow wadi]

almost definitely given it was gold stake, idr what tho

ik it was a pair build so i would've needed flat mult

[rancid niche]

Ante 2 trib

Gold stake

WOOOOOO

[narrow wadi]

isn't canio pretty busted, it's x2 with literally 1 hung man

[pale wolf]

beep

[jagged valve]

I see

[pale wolf]

3x lol

it starts at 1

[narrow wadi]

shit i keep forgetting it's +2 not 1 lol

[white zodiac]

oh I was just trying to break glass while making trio work (and abandoned ez)

[jagged valve]

Yeah but it only comes when I don't really need it or am doing a face card run

[pale wolf]

its +1X but theres 2 cards destroyed with hangman

[heavy heron]

i didn’t know you like black holes

[narrow wadi]

i feel like it's good enough that u pivot off face cards when u get it most of the time

[jagged valve]

It once came in abandoned deck and I had to rely on standard packs

[white zodiac]

iirc I didn't find a black hole in this seed

[narrow wadi]

this might be the one deck it's not that good in

[pale wolf]

abandoned canio is fun

[heavy heron]

so you just felt like grabbing a neptune

[jagged valve]

I still never got chicot

I get perkeo most of the time

[narrow wadi]

chicot is very fine, it can help in some situations and imo is better than tribb

[pale wolf]

i do NOT believe

[lunar zealot]

We're waiting every night

[unkempt geyser]

Broken build

[white zodiac]

it was abandoned I could get away with strushes easier here

[lunar zealot]

To finally roam and invite

[white zodiac]

oh ok

[lunar zealot]

Newcomers to play with us

For many years we've been all alone

[narrow wadi]

other than tribb and chicot all the legendaries win the run imo

[jagged valve]

What are the legendary jokers based off of? Are they real jesters or smth

[white zodiac]

sing the fnaf 6 tlt song

[heavy heron]

i am a believer

[narrow wadi]

yorick is from hamlet

uhhh

idk the rest

[lunar zealot]

perkeo of edelburg or something

[jagged valve]

Canio has got to be from somewhere that name is familiar

[white zodiac]

also I've had more strush runs than flush runs on my record

[lunar zealot]

Triboulet slapped the king's ass

[heavy heron]

chicot isn’t so bad

[lunar zealot]

canio killed lots of blokes

[heavy heron]

chicot doesn’t “win” but it’s great

[narrow wadi]

the only one i know is yorick but that's cos i did english literature at university

[narrow wadi]

i agree it's pretty decent, the other legendaries tho are making the run near always a win

[fading cobalt]

"this game doesn't rely on rng" mfs when I show them my orange stake runs:

[white zodiac]

chico makes boss blinds non existent, that's pretty much run winning if you can just meet scoring thresholds

[burnt topaz]

I lost before I could get Yorick to x2

[fading cobalt]

And I got the fucking arm on a pair build

I hate this fucking game

[lunar zealot]

What the fuck how

[white zodiac]

for the content

[narrow wadi]

imo meeting scoring thresholds with a bad start is not that easy, getting an early yorick or canio does that for you then scales into being so strong that it doesn't matter what the boss is. perkeo is great econ with versatility so also helps a bit more than chicot imo

[heavy heron]

my canio not finding a single hanged man for 5 antes disagrees

[burnt topaz]

Lucky Kings don’t get you the mult you need

[narrow wadi]

i won't deny that chicot is good, but i don't think it's amazing

[narrow wadi]

honestly fair lol, same with perkeo and temp/ hermit

[lunar zealot]

I read temp as the potus

[narrow wadi]

they do if ur lucky enough, not getting the +20 mult is a huge skill issue

[lunar zealot]

LMAO

[narrow wadi]

trump?

how?

[fading cobalt]

I accidentally pressed next round skipping shop without even noticing what was in it 💔

[lunar zealot]

I am so sleepy

[balmy ridge]

worst legendaryt

[narrow wadi]

i think tribb and perkeo have arguments with gold stake

[balmy ridge]

what

[narrow wadi]

perkeo highroll is so insane that ppl forget about the lowrolls

same with tribb

[unreal glacier]

Perkeo is econ at least

[balmy ridge]

you're saying perkeo and trib are worse than chicot?

[narrow wadi]

nah i'm saying they can be

[narrow wadi]

when u find temp/ hermit, u don't always

[unreal glacier]

No it's still a little econ if you put it on something like a planet

Not ideal, but it's pretty much a golden joker

[narrow wadi]

$1 per round is not like golden joker

[unreal glacier]

The negatives give you more money

[narrow wadi]

the using of a mercury is better than golden probably

[white zodiac]

perkeo requires you to have your desired consumable upstairs to copy at the time you get her. at worst she generates 4 dollars which is golden joker with free consumable blocking tech

chico outright disables boss blinds upon getting it. the most consistent hand type in the game still has violent boss blinds and finishers that can very well kill your run (wall, needle, flint, eye, vv, crimson heart, etc). giving yourself a safety net is very valuable as it doesn't restrict your options when finishing the ante

[narrow wadi]

oh shit true

[fading cobalt]

"YES BLUEPRINT- oh..."

Bought it before realising what happened

[rancid niche]

First buffoon pack

[narrow wadi]

i kinda agree tbh, i've had like 5 runs lost to perkeo just not getting anything good to copy

[rancid niche]

I hate my luck btw

[unreal glacier]

Yeah perkeo isn't all that great for ante 8

[vocal rose]

sell for grabber

[heavy heron]

has the needle been the one to kill your runs the most

i’m curious

[unreal glacier]

Unless you roll a bunch of hermits or something

[vocal rose]

it’s still good

[white zodiac]

flint kills me a lot

[vocal rose]

very good as a value gen

[heavy heron]

chips?

[unreal glacier]

But not great

It works sometimes but it's inconsistent

[fading cobalt]

I died to the flint

[vocal rose]

id even say it’s great value gen

not that crazy

[white zodiac]

perkeo is still amazing, we're just comparing 5 legendaries, not 150 jokers. out of 150 I'll put perkeo in the to 20 or 30

[vocal rose]

but it’s just the second worst legendary

[fading cobalt]

Trib

[white zodiac]

and the worst legendary is like

a

[vocal rose]

trib is the worst legendary

[unreal glacier]

I'm saying that of the legendaries you're not saying oh that's great for my build

If you pull perkeo

[fading cobalt]

Legendary ranking is

1. Yorick
2. Canio
3. Perkeo
4. Chicot
5. Trib

[fading cobalt]

Fair enough

I would've thought you were saying chicot is worst

[white zodiac]

switch chico with perk

[narrow wadi]

i think i agree with this

[unreal glacier]

If you get canio or Yorick you probably are, especially early

[vocal rose]

no

[fading cobalt]

Ehhhh

[wintry ice]

yorick > canio > chicot > perkeo > trib

[fading cobalt]

I think they'd be tied tbh

[vocal rose]

chicot is better than perkeo and trib

[wintry ice]

being immune to boss blinds is better than what perkeo usually does

[white zodiac]

chico removes the presence of run ending boss blinds

[vocal rose]

here’s the massive wall of text that explains why

[wintry ice]

and they both can be fit into pretty much any build

[fading cobalt]

Chicot becomes useless with directors cut/retcon

[wintry ice]

perkeo becomes useless if you don't care as much about deckfixing and have nothing to spend money on

[fading cobalt]

But you don't lose value from perkeo in runs

[white zodiac]

boss reroll/retcon doesn't outright remove threatening boss blinds

[fading cobalt]

Perkeo copies and I sell the negative copy for money

Easy

[wintry ice]

10$ every time you find a threathening boss blind is still a large cost

[vocal rose]

those vouchers don’t disable boss blinds?

[white zodiac]

you can roll from needle to wall, flint, eye, crimson, or vv

[wintry ice]

don't have anything to spend money on

[fading cobalt]

No but you reroll and can probably find something that wont kill you

[vocal rose]

“and can probably”

[white zodiac]

directors cut cost 20 dollars to use upon purchase and roll, retcon is more expensive

[wintry ice]

people underestimate 10$

[vocal rose]

30 dollars for retcon usage at the minimum

[wintry ice]

generating 10$ per round is insane

[fading cobalt]

I think perkeo and chicot are still tied in being good

[burnt topaz]

2nd Medusa run in a row with soul

[wintry ice]

so spending that on every ante is still a large cost

[burnt topaz]

Again praying for no canio

[wintry ice]

there are also those kinds of boss blinds that don't directly threathen you but can lose you value

like serpent sometimes

[white zodiac]

and in an argument where money is the source of consistency, chico rewarding you for essentially a non threatening run is practically 30 dollars worth of arbitrary value and even more value in practice

[burnt topaz]

It could’ve been worse, I’ll take it.

[jagged torrent]

Please be a canio

[fading cobalt]

Speak of the devil

[unreal glacier]

You can always sell the legendary for ten dollars that counts as econ

💀

[burnt topaz]

I have liquidation so it’s only 5

[unreal glacier]

Oh unlucky

[fading cobalt]

[wintry ice]

you can keep it for even more money from temperance

[white zodiac]

safety and consistency is far more valuable than the performance ceiling of the legendary. otherwise trib would be up top which is unrealistic

[fading cobalt]

Thats not how it works..?

Is it??

[unreal glacier]

Why do I even bother making jokes in this server

[burnt topaz]

When everything else sells for 1 yeah that might be a good keep

[burnt topaz]

It is how that works

[fading cobalt]

Damn

[burnt topaz]

It’s fine ride the bus can carry

[white zodiac]

ask the plant posters

[wintry ice]

i was adding onto it

[narrow wadi]

tf does that huge sell button mean?

[burnt topaz]

It means I play on mobile

[robust lance]

5 dollars

[white zodiac]

who popularized the looks inside joke? I've not heard a single person irl say it lmao its just the ppl online

[burnt topaz]

Balatro doesnt work on my laptop and my laptop doesnt even have a working battery anyways

[fading cobalt]

Who else is meant to say it but the people online?? 😭

[lunar zealot]

What joker do yall sell here

[white zodiac]

oh man

[fading cobalt]

Why would you want campfire lmao

[lunar zealot]

beats vv

[burnt topaz]

The rental obelisk, well it depends on what runner is at

[white zodiac]

this is a stupid question dni

[lunar zealot]

Obelisk going is crazy

[fading cobalt]

Fair enough

[wintry ice]

bus for the funny if your planets are good

[jagged torrent]

Are you ++ing another profile? 😭

[burnt topaz]

Also put ride the bus at the front

[white zodiac]

cav funny enough

[lunar zealot]

this be my mobile save

[fading cobalt]

No it isnt fuck you

[jagged torrent]

Ah good luck<3

[white zodiac]

she's farming obby licks

[burnt topaz]

I would say sell runner and just pile on mult like it’s nobody’s business

[white zodiac]

cant beat vv if you don't farm

[white zodiac]

bad idea

[lunar zealot]

literally i win too fast to scale obelisk

[white zodiac]

zamn

[lunar zealot]

god i love this joker

[white zodiac]

runner is primarily the reason she's able to run obby licks

[wintry ice]

she's winning too hard

how much are you scoring with obelisk active

[lunar zealot]

Not as much as i love bbc though

[white zodiac]

causally has the 6 run winning jokers of gs

[jagged torrent]

BBC mentioned?? Rahhhh

[white zodiac]

which would ironically do shit here

[wintry ice]

htr better

[burnt topaz]

I mean if you aren’t selling runner or obelisk i don’t think cavendish is good so sell ride the bus, your mult should be fine enough

[white zodiac]

is this true

[wintry ice]

it depends on how her planets are doing

[wintry ice]

it's the first variation of the meme i know of

[lunar zealot]

This happened earlier in the run btw

[burnt topaz]

And you said no?

[white zodiac]

mult amplifies obby licks performance into vv which is the main reason why she's putting it far right. cav dies here with her intellect

[lunar zealot]

Hell yeah

[burnt topaz]

Or did you not have money