🕹・game-discussion

[north spindle]

i mean yeah thisbis why im confused
i am like almost never taking it in a pack and if its in a shop im holding it in my slots a lot of the time instead of using it

[atomic trout]

An Eternal Joker with Four fingers? What could go wrong?

[shell dagger]

would you chariot a blue seal over justice

[floral mural]

remember that a good helpful eternal joker doesnt care its eternal

[white zodiac]

yeah but that's assuming I have one

[floral mural]

you solved chips now

well worth a slot

[white zodiac]

fitting how everything below justice is used as consumable block

4 me

[atomic trout]

How?

[orchid comet]

high priestess or hermit? it's +0.2 on constellation or +$20

[atomic trout]

Everything is 4

[cloud sinew]

more context is needed

[orchid comet]

ok wait

[cloud sinew]

because id say hermit but what stage you're at and your econ etc makes a big impact on that decision

[white zodiac]

1.2x vs

oh

[cloud sinew]

i would high priestess i think

[floral mural]

do you have planet merchant?

[orchid comet]

1.2x vs oh

[orchid comet]

I don't

[floral mural]

ok then priestess

[orchid comet]

shop has the -1 ante thing rn

[white zodiac]

pretend that doesn't exist on black

[shell dagger]

usually a bad idea on black deck

[orchid comet]

I never buy it anyways

[cloud sinew]

yeah i wouldnt do that unless you had a really good reason to

[shell dagger]

still remember that BU run he took it on black deck and won

[orchid comet]

I've only bought it once I think

[shell dagger]

bugger

[white zodiac]

I've done it on my acro trooby run once

it feels like playing blitz

[glossy furnace]

😢

[shell current]

Small caveat for first steel card over second glass card

[orchid comet]

+1300 at ante 9???

I really need to start grabbing wee more

[zealous lynx]

kind of a dumb question but do i sell invis for bp?

[orchid comet]

dna (right?)

[floral mural]

blueprint is better than brainstorm here or a copy of brainstorm specifically

if this is a naneinf attempt you dont wanna lose that dna yet

[shell dagger]

Definitely an argument for selling dna

[floral mural]

probably dna

[zealous lynx]

fingers crossed

[floral mural]

then use invis to get a copy joker

a 3rd one

maybe?

[cloud sinew]

this is why i said *generally

[serene forge]

used two judgments and got hologram blueprint back to back...

[orchid comet]

what's the idea behind skips

[cloud sinew]

generally don't

[night turret]

Oooooh I understand now

[orchid comet]

and why is it mostly a bad idea to skip for jokers instead

like negative or rare

[orchid comet]

yeah I get that

[shell dagger]

in higher stakes the jokers you get from skips aren’t immune to stickers

[night turret]

Mainly if you wanna build money

[shell dagger]

so the expected value is just really low

[night turret]

Aka Econ, you don’t wanna skip as much

[glossy furnace]

is it time to let go off wee?

[serene forge]

they're random jokers so unlikely to be anything good, stickers from higher stakes make them really bad, and the opportunity cost of losing a round of money and scaling is not worth it

[orchid comet]

so it's still a good idea in lower stakes?

[night turret]

As you don’t make much from jsut skips unless it’s defeating the boss bind or getting money from discards or hands

[serene forge]

when you see a skip you need to think about that last part and ask yourself if losing that for the skip is worth it

[orchid comet]

💔

[shell dagger]

not necessarily a good idea but low stakes you can get away with more

[night turret]

Even in lower stakes nah

[orchid comet]

I see

[orchid comet]

that makes a lot of sense, thank you

[night turret]

I would say only time it’s acceptable to skip stakes, is if your going against the pillar

Fucking hate that ante

[serene forge]

ante 1 investment is a consistently good skip because it sets up your econ perfectly and you can clear ante 1 easily without jokers

[cloud sinew]

• because of in-run stickers like perishable, rental and eternal
• because you lose a round of econ, a round of scaling jokers, and an entire shop
• what you get out of it usually isnt even that good, a single random negative joker isn't worth losing all of that for, typically. even without in-run stickers, it's almost never worth it to skip for joker tags

[shell dagger]

preserving perishables is a good reason to skip

[night turret]

Nice job bro

[orchid comet]

W

[random ice]

Baseball is such a fun joker

[orchid comet]

Icic

thanks

[vocal rose]

perishable dusk…

[cloud sinew]

or you have Ancient Joker, or perishables, or there's a boss reroll tag and you die to the current boss, or there's...
etc etc

there are a lot of good reasons to skip, it's just that theyre not that common relative to how much people tend to skip

[vocal rose]

and aj

[orchid comet]

I wondered cuz of this lmao

I would've definitely skipped both if I didn't come here often

[cloud sinew]

definitely not a good idea to skip

[white zodiac]

preserving loyalty card proc, obby licks, good madness food, aj suit hit, etc in very niche scenarios that I've encountered

[white zodiac]

two barons

[orchid comet]

blueprint and brainstorm

[serene forge]

so, rare tags usually being bad aside, skipping here is probably not worth it because you're losing constellation scaling

[white zodiac]

skipping is counterintuitive with scalers in general

[cloud sinew]

blueprint would be worth, idk if brainstorm would be

[shell dagger]

throwback: 👅

[serene forge]

throwback is called throwback because you're throwing by trying to scale it

[cloud sinew]

no

[orchid comet]

yeah I didn't skip so that's nice

[shell dagger]

true

[cloud sinew]

it's called throwback because of the old effect

[serene forge]

i was joking

[cloud sinew]

i know

[serene forge]

then

what

lol

[cloud sinew]

it's the tism

[serene forge]

alright

[shell dagger]

It’s called throwback bc it reminds me of the time I thought skips were good fr

[serene forge]

its called throwback because using it throws you back to round 0

[orchid comet]

earlier today

[vocal warren]

fire

[cloud sinew]

C+ tier joker 🔥

[orchid comet]

I get such random achievements and no way to know what they're for

[lavish nacelle]

What should be my next move

[zealous lynx]

this is like the 4th invis joker that hasnt hit a copy joker istg if it doesnt hit im gonna lose it

[lavish nacelle]

Invisible joker is a good move?

[cloud sinew]

bye fortune teller

[lavish nacelle]

Okay

[orchid comet]

it's at +80

[cloud sinew]

doesnt matter

[lavish nacelle]

I just kept him cuz it has like 60 mult

[cloud sinew]

its endless, +mult has no place here

[lavish nacelle]

Well yeh

Yeah

You're right

[orchid comet]

do u get the +mult from hand levels

[white zodiac]

knowing the source of your score and it's timing goes a long way

[serene forge]

+mult jokers are contradictory with baron anyway

[lavish nacelle]

I'm looking for mime too

[serene forge]

because the +mult applies after baron does its thing

[lavish nacelle]

And red seal

[serene forge]

this is part of why baron is usually bad outside of endless

[lavish nacelle]

Invisible joker copied Yorick

Kinda mid

But ok

[tawny grove]

photo and chad keeps showing up should i get them? in exchange for what?

[lavish nacelle]

They're both x4

[cloud sinew]

very mid

[lavish nacelle]

Yeah

But it's a x4 so

Not that bad

I would prefer copy de metal joker

It's a x7

[cloud sinew]

if you were scoring enough with baron then i would probably have just dropped yorick, steel and S&B

[lavish nacelle]

Yeah I was thinking on doing that

But

The multipliers were kinda doing mayor work

[pure stone]

New to the game here, what does "mult" mean?

[white zodiac]

score

[obsidian patrol]

Have you played the tutorial

[pure stone]

aren't the chips the score?

[fading dome]

the red part of the score

[pure stone]

Yes i did

[zealous lynx]

oh my god guys a second blueprint without showman!!!!

[fading dome]

total score = blue chips x red mult

[pure stone]

Hmmm I see

[white zodiac]

chips is the score
mult multiplies your chips
x mult multiplies your mult that multiplies your chips

[royal bobcat]

^mult is, well...

||it's not a thing||

[unreal island]

there are few cases where invis joker is bad

[obsidian patrol]

Many such cases

[royal bobcat]

When a joker that lets us put a "!" After our mult chat

A legendary or sum

[unreal island]

umm many such cases where you stink how about that

[glass creek]

Excited Joker

[obsidian patrol]

:[

[unreal island]

😢

[pure stone]

What is Ante? I presume it's the amount of rounds I have left to score?

[royal bobcat]

Happy fella

[unreal island]

me crying after being forced to say that (i was bored)

[lavish nacelle]

Yeah that sucks

I sold one Yorick to look for something better

[unreal island]

im praying that ur sock and buskin is a natneg

[glass creek]

That'd get out of hand very quickly

[royal bobcat]

Every time you beat a boss blind, the base amount of score you have to meet to keep living is increased

[fading dome]

An Ante is made up of three Blinds. A run will always begin at Ante 1. After defeating the Boss Blind at the end of each Ante, you go up 1 Ante. An increase in Ante means an increase in required score for every Blind in the Ante.

You win after beating Ante 8

[pure stone]

Ohh yeah I remember that part, ok I think I'm set. A lot of people seem to like this game so I'm trying to see what's about.

[unreal island]

This joker is excited! Retriggers the scoring and effects of adjacent jokers.

yw

uh

yeah

also gives 1! mult

[pure stone]

Couldn't fail to notice that it doesn't have Royal Flush listed, why is that? Isn't Royal Flush a possible poker hand?

[royal bobcat]

I'm not in the game rn but there's a chart that shows you each ante's score requirements. Then the different blinds have a multiplier for that base score so that each blind (or round) has different score requirements. Usual it's 1x small blind, 1.5x big blind and 2x small blind (with some exception)

[obsidian patrol]

it exists its just not listed

Theres several other secret hands

[royal bobcat]

Royal flush has the same scoring as the straight flush and as such doesn't have a dedicated planet or hand

It's not a secret hand, it just has no reason to have a specific hand type

[pure stone]

I see, would be cool if it had a bigger score but it is what it is (not that I'm getting it anyway).

I'll go check out the game, thanks to everyone for answering.

[royal bobcat]

It has a bigger score because the cards you use to play it have higher chip values, and there's a joker that requires you to play (or rather, discard) that specific hand but other than that it's the same hand.

The issue mostly stems from the fact that it would barely have any purpose as a hand played with only different cards doesn't scale well late game, and you're definitely not going to be able to play that hand consistently before the late game.

[vocal warren]

Does a royal flush count as a straight or a flush

Like

[royal bobcat]

Both

[vocal warren]

what planet card applies

[royal bobcat]

Neptune

For straight flush

[vocal warren]

ah

ok

thank u

[fading dome]

royal flush is a straight flush for basically all purposes

[royal bobcat]

A straight flush triggers both the tribe and order

[zealous lynx]

am i able to survive?

yes i can

[vocal rose]

neptune

[royal bobcat]

nepgoon

[vocal warren]

mhm mhm

[vocal warren]

POTENTIAL???

no violent vessel is a run killer

[vocal warren]

fuck violent vessel

[obsidian patrol]

the needle in easy mode

[random ice]

PANT

[vocal warren]

I hate violent vessel

[royal bobcat]

Funny how needle is in easy mode when it's one of the bosses that kills the most consistent strategy in the game

[orchid comet]

IS THIS REALITY

[vocal rose]

wall, tooth, needle are NOT easy mode

[orchid comet]

PHOTOCHAD ANTE 1

[cerulean parcel]

I mean if you can score pretty high it’s not THAT bad

[vocal warren]

true..

[obsidian patrol]

If

[vocal rose]

plant in annoying and heart debuffer in annoying

[brave goblet]

The needle's chips is just the small blind's

[vocal warren]

am i a winner chat :3

[orchid comet]

yeahh

[cerulean parcel]

The needle is 1x base sooo

[vocal rose]

pair builds (meta build) suffer immensely

[orchid comet]

u get 2 rounds to prepare to oneshot small blind basically

[orchid comet]

ohh I see

[vocal rose]

brutal in the later rounds

destroys card sharp

[royal bobcat]

Especially if you rely on card sharp

I'm too slow

[cerulean parcel]

You can only lose 5 cash per hand

[brave goblet]

Card sharp gets countered by so many things it's hilarious

[obsidian patrol]

That can be a lot of money

[cerulean parcel]

True

[orchid comet]

situational

[vocal rose]

when you’re digging for value from a deck (PAIR BUILDS.) that’s a lot of money

[orchid comet]

it shouldn't matter that much in later antes

[vocal rose]

or if you’re playing any high hand type build

that’s a guaranteed loss of econ

[royal bobcat]

THUNK WHEN PAIR NERF

[vocal warren]

fuck.

The bell is coming

[vocal rose]

a guaranteed loss of money matters a lot

[brave goblet]

just proc a lucky card's money 👍

[vocal warren]

Im literally on the flush deck

fml

[vocal rose]

it only doesn’t matter if you have an abundance of econ

[vocal warren]

I havent unlocked gold stake on it yet

[orchid comet]

luchador next shop

trust

[vocal rose]

in which you’ve likely won the run already

[vocal warren]

if theres no luchador on the next shop, im shooting you

[ivory sun]

[orchid comet]

WAIT NO

[signal frigate]

You usually over score so it's reliable on spam heavy builds

[orchid comet]

if u reroll a lot of times EVENTUALLY you'll get it :D

have a really big cc

[signal frigate]

Green Joker loves a card sharp

[orchid comet]

what's card sharp

[brave goblet]

x3 if played hand already

[vocal warren]

Im taking you out back and shooting you

[vocal rose]

oh dear

[orchid comet]

oh that

[royal bobcat]

Well the entire thing about needle is that it doesn't let you use card sharp

[signal frigate]

It's the hoodie guy yeah

[orchid comet]

haha yeah

[cloud sinew]

#⚙・modding-general

[vocal rose]

does it?

[vocal warren]

@orchid comet Hey u wanna see something cool?

[lapis sierra]

oh mb

[vocal warren]

Follow me outback.

[orchid comet]

yesss

[signal frigate]

You can make alot of compromises to make sure it doesn't happen, glass.

[vocal warren]

yeah its this

🔫

[signal frigate]

But yeah, Needle does fuck over Card Sharp

[vocal rose]

if you’re playing card sharp there’s two hard counters but I can’t think of any other hard counters

[orchid comet]

yay water gun fight

[royal bobcat]

Pair spam is often not about hand scoring, and even less for the mult

[cerulean parcel]

You should have a stable economy by the time of tooth

[cloud sinew]

doesnt really work against builds that rely on joker stage +mult

[vocal warren]

-# it's supposed to be a normal gun

[cerulean parcel]

Unless it appears early

[orchid comet]

there's a festival in my country where u get to throw water on others it's so fun

[royal bobcat]

It's rly just mouth and needle

[brave goblet]

two too many

[cloud sinew]

mouth?

you mean eye

[vocal warren]

Lucky, my country is deadass frown town

[royal bobcat]

I always mix the two

[orchid comet]

that suckss

[signal frigate]

Yeah but I treat glass as emergency only when it comes to spam heavy builds

[vocal warren]

ik its all the presidents fault

[brave goblet]

glass should also be used to thin out your deck

[vocal rose]

if it’s a spam heavy deck aren’t you relying on your joker mult more?

instead of planets

[vocal warren]

anywayz

back to game

[vocal rose]

obviously they can coexist

[signal frigate]

I don't use them as much, only when necessary

[cloud sinew]

usually yes

[orchid comet]

yas

politics in game discussion would be wild

[vocal rose]

you don’t use scaling +mult jokers often???

[signal frigate]

I do, I meant glass cards

[royal bobcat]

Always keep a judgment on you chat

[vocal rose]

then you didn’t understand what me or @cloud sinew meant

[cerulean parcel]

Needle IS 1x BASE

[royal bobcat]

Always beg for god's help

[orchid comet]

I thought that's how u were supposed to use them

[cerulean parcel]

if you can’t beat 1X base that’s on you

[cloud sinew]

you are, it's just that glass doesnt fit well in +mult joker heavy builds like pair lobotomy usually does

[orchid comet]

small blind with 1 hand

[vocal warren]

I am fucking victorious

[orchid comet]

W

[vocal rose]

glass cards are played before +mult jokers

[vocal warren]

I once again claim my title of the goat

[cerulean parcel]

Still easy

[signal frigate]

Actually that's true

[unreal island]

here i am, once again
feeling lost e'er now and then

[orchid comet]

yes I'm agreeing with u

[signal frigate]

I should've thought of that

[cerulean parcel]

especially if you play flush straight or full house

[vocal warren]

Im on checkered deck and I have burned joker

[cerulean parcel]

I love brainstorm

[orchid comet]

usually people don't go for those

very unreliable

unless checkered I guess

[vocal warren]

I wish i had blueprint tho so i could get two levels

I also have castle which is strong rn

[orchid comet]

greed

[vocal warren]

I am greedy howd u know

[unreal island]

you could've just stopped at "i wish i had blueprint"

[orchid comet]

lucky guess

[vocal warren]

Okay well im greedy

But it also doesnt matter since i have a blue seal

[unreal island]

get a load of this "Gives +3 Mult per Diamond card scored"

[vocal warren]

lmfao

[brave goblet]

yall should learn to delay your gratification

[unreal island]

why is ur name in cursive

[vocal warren]

who

[orchid comet]

oh ur name is Chaos

[brave goblet]

ye

[orchid comet]

I thought it was just spam

[brave goblet]

lmao what

[orchid comet]

C(++)[keyboard smash] (e102)

[still tapir]

top 10 bafoon pack of all time 💔

[brave goblet]

Oh lol

[unreal island]

holy pog 8 ball

[cloud sinew]

8ball my beloved

[royal bobcat]

I've always thought putting your achievements in ur name was a bit silly

[unreal island]

8 ball runs are always the best

[cloud sinew]

why

[still tapir]

that run was in the dumps bro

[royal bobcat]

Well, sometimes it makes your name unreadable, and sometimes people make lists so long you can't even read it all because discord cuts your name

[still tapir]

did not recover

[vocal rose]

how is “c++” unreadable

[still tapir]

why are we talking about names in the balatro

[orchid comet]

why 8ball so lvoed

[cloud sinew]

I even put a divider in my name lol

[vocal rose]

they already have c9 so 8ball is kinda ass

[royal bobcat]

C++ is fine, but you have people making the c++ part of their name and they're losing me

Like Lilo is fine

I guess I'm just not a fan of flexing idk

[orchid comet]

everyone's entitled to their own opinion

[vocal warren]

ngl

i dont look at ur names

[unreal island]

affected by retrigger effects, downside can be mitigated by an oops, tarot generation is ALWAYS good

[vocal rose]

they got c9 :(

[brave goblet]

I just put stuff in my name cause everyone else was doing it too

[cloud sinew]

well

[vocal warren]

unless i'm specifically looking for u

[orchid comet]

real

[cloud sinew]

tarot gen isnt ALWAYS good. vagabond and 8ball can both hurt you if you have blue seals

[still tapir]

how much irl money could i sell this deck for?

[brave goblet]

The only two people in this entire server I recognize immedaitely are zebra and lilo

[orchid comet]

oh I recently unlocked challenges are they just for fun

[royal bobcat]

Not even jimbo smh

[vocal rose]

a lot since it’s solid gold

[royal bobcat]

They have a lil monkey in their pfp

[brave goblet]

jimbo is more than a person

[still tapir]

yeah

[unreal island]

true, 8 ball is harder to work around than vagabond since u can just get more than 4 bucks from selling consumables

whilst 8 ball u just gotta pray u dont get any tarots

[still tapir]

8 ball hasnt activated in the history of our species

[brave goblet]

8 ball activates -> the lovers

[orchid comet]

😭

[royal bobcat]

You gays have never had the hermit into fool 8ball moment

[unreal island]

pog tarot block from the next arcana pack

[royal bobcat]

I meant guys

But oh well

[orchid comet]

so real

I love when my hermit decides to change his identity mid game

[unreal island]

hermit finally came out of the closet

[still tapir]

check the run

[orchid comet]

pronouns cha/ching

[brave goblet]

ancient jonkler

[still tapir]

i jonkl it

[brave goblet]

show the deck

[still tapir]

this was from a bit ago

[unreal island]

brodie has at least 6 cards

[brave goblet]

oh rip lol

[unreal island]

in the deck

[brave goblet]

I've had two runs in recent memory where I unironiocally made wild cards and it still feels dirty

[still tapir]

idk why lovers only give 1 wild card instead of like 2 or 3

[zealous lynx]

oh whelp

[royal bobcat]

THREE?

[unreal island]

wilds were expected to do more than expected

[still tapir]

HOLY

[royal bobcat]

We don't need three wilds per lovers chat

[brave goblet]

tbf a single card that instantly works with every suit specific joker is kinda busted

[unreal island]

lost bc of lack of high contrast cards

[orchid comet]

do I grab runner for chips in later antes or nah

[orchid comet]

I scored ~2k with a straight

[still tapir]

photograph and hanging chad automatically gets to ante 8

[brave goblet]

You can scale runner a little bit just in case if you're lacking on planets

[orchid comet]

I need planet levels for that but yeah

[unreal island]

open the standard pack and pick up a red seal mult card 5 of diamonds

[brave goblet]

and you can always sell the runner

but you should be planeting for photochad anyway

[orchid comet]

do I skip for interest then

[uncut slate]

what's the skip

[orchid comet]

+$3 from tc

[cloud sinew]

i would take walkie here

for scoring security

[orchid comet]

I meant the shop

[uncut slate]

oh

thought it was investment tag my beloved

[unreal island]

being SUPER DUPER ULTRA deadass u should reroll

[orchid comet]

😭

[still tapir]

[unreal island]

and then die from lack of econ 4 rounds later

[orchid comet]

alright

[uncut slate]

does anyone else ever call it gross michael

[still tapir]

1

[orchid comet]

bananar

[signal frigate]

Go next and build up econ

You already got a good setup

[cloud sinew]

this is how i pronounce it, i dont like pronouncing it like "grow"

[orchid comet]

it's pronounced grow?

[uncut slate]

i always liked big mike too

[royal bobcat]

I just say it in french

[uncut slate]

it's so funny

[cloud sinew]

its meant to be, yes

[orchid comet]

I always said gross michel in a french accent

[uncut slate]

big mike in da house

[still tapir]

top 3 jokers: 3=hanging chad 2=blueprint 1=cavendish

[orchid comet]

rebate where

[uncut slate]

agreeable

[nova junco]

Oops where

[uncut slate]

don't need econ if you have those three

already win

[orchid comet]

probably somewhere with bloodstone

[still tapir]

oops is top 10

[fervent wolf]

I'm such an idiot

[unreal elbow]

should i go for ancient? 4,5x mult on hologram rn

[still tapir]

ancient joker carries so hard all the time

[random ice]

I have a system

[orchid comet]

show ur deck

[uncut slate]

is eternal buskin just for the sticker or what

[unreal elbow]

a bit wicked looking

[still tapir]

ROY GET BANNAN

[cloud sinew]

i dont cause im a stickler for etymology, we have no idea what the root of gros michel is, just that if translated literally it means "fat/big/large michael"

[orchid comet]

why would u go for ancient...

[shell current]

white stake

[nova junco]

The real question is why not

[orchid comet]

ancient is usually if ur deck is really fixed

[cloud sinew]

this is awesome

[unreal elbow]

white stake indeed

[fervent wolf]

I accidentally took it. Forgetting I was on abandoned 💔

[orchid comet]

true

[orchid comet]

I didn't notice ur deck damn that sucks

[unreal elbow]

ancient goated but idk if i shoot myself in the leg with it in later antes

[signal frigate]

Well no, you can't really fix it if it's gonna pick no matter what

You need to have an even set of suits

[fervent wolf]

I gotta pray for parei

[signal frigate]

You can't cull or add too much

[cloud sinew]

you dont need to, also the deck is still smaller than other decks at base

[orchid comet]

someone did do photochad with abandoned deck earlier

[uncut slate]

is there a reason to take it not on abandoned? when u don't have money?

[signal frigate]

But having a smaller deck would help yes

[orchid comet]

u could try adding face cards while destroying literally everything

[still tapir]

if you consistently get a flush that triggeres ancients suit, and you have descent levels on jupiter, it can just carry you to ante 8

[nova junco]

Wait till you have 3 diamonds and ancient picks diamonds

[cloud sinew]

its that you're worse off for draw odds if you dont distribute equally between suits

[cloud sinew]

strawman

[signal frigate]

Adding in Wilds would help but that adds the risk of bosses killing you

[unreal elbow]

i'm alr on ante 8 that's the whole thing

[fervent wolf]

There's lots of face card synergy

[still tapir]

oh

[orchid comet]

is unlocking golden ticket worth it

[nova junco]

Pareidolia synergy

[signal frigate]

Yeah, pretty good common

[still tapir]

is ride the bus banned on abandoned???

[cloud sinew]

ray said "You need to have an even set of suits", you dont. it's just that it's best for ancient if you do have an equal amount of each suit

[uncut slate]

i wasn't aware of this that's actually kinda interesting. i assumed some french dude must have named it after himself. i think big is a good enough translation of gros when modifying a personal name though as it can capture pretty much all the same senses

[nova junco]

Wdym you don't if you don't have even enough suits you just lose😭

[signal frigate]

I guess "need" was a stretch

[nova junco]

It's actually very good

[still tapir]

ik

[cloud sinew]

even enough. there's nuance to it, which is what I'm talking about

[signal frigate]

You can still win with an uneven deck

[still tapir]

but i cant ever get it

[signal frigate]

It's just that you have a far better chance to win if you do have an even deck

[pale wolf]

click on balatro video with 29 views
"hello everyone, we're back trying at purple stake!"
ok
instantly takes a r1 double tag skip
click off video

[nova junco]

I mean 13 hearts 13 spades 15 clubs and 12 diamonds is ok but 40 hearts and 10 all others is not

[cloud sinew]

if you have 12 spades and 13 of every other suit, you'll probably be fine. if you have 5 spades and 13 of every other suit, youre probably fucked

[cloud sinew]

which is exactly my point

[signal frigate]

That's a way to look at it, that scenario doesn't always come up though

[unreal elbow]

sdhfdsf i'll remove abstract joker for ancient

[signal frigate]

Why would you pick ancient if you have an overwhelming amount of one suit?

[nova junco]

Yeah because you're gonna be dead lmao

[unreal elbow]

it's pretty balanced imo

[orchid comet]

I heard it's about banana species, when gros michel (banana species) went extinct because a much better bigger banana species (cavendish) became popular
or something along those lines, my memory is bad

[signal frigate]

Just get Bloodstone if you have 40 hearts

[pale wolf]

rtb is slightly better on abandoned

[nova junco]

And then trigger zero times over 10 total triggers woo

[pale wolf]

a swing from 10d to 15c seems alright for aj

[orchid comet]

slightly?

[cloud sinew]

if you have enough digging power you can always see every card in your deck; if you have enough cards to make your ideal hand, then you'll never die to draws

[shell current]

Why? It’s only a 1x

[hasty harness]

ight i got erratic, green, painted, magic, and zodiac left to gold stake which should i do

[signal frigate]

You've done fucked up already if you're running ancient and carelessly adding hearts to your deck

[pale wolf]

yeah, it's only slightly better, the chances of being forced to play a face card are not high on other decks

[nova junco]

Yeah but that's kinda hard to do while also scaling jupiter for ancient

[still tapir]

what are yalls lookin like

[orchid comet]

green

[orchid comet]

bp on top

[nova junco]

How do you have so much even steven lmao

[signal frigate]

Multiplicative scoring ramps up pretty fuckin quick

[cloud sinew]

sure, but again i'm arguing that there's a lot of nuance to it

[hasty harness]

greens about to cook me 💀

[still tapir]

even steven is fire for early game

[royal bobcat]

Have you played the game for long? I'm just trying to see if I can predict it or not

[nova junco]

True I'm just saying it's not a good idea to try to do it

[still tapir]

not really

[random ice]

Lmao al three landed

[still tapir]

nice

[signal frigate]

I always go for the high risk "Oops all wild cards" for Ancient Joker setups

[cloud sinew]

ive agreed at every stage... you just confused my disagreement with a hard rule with me saying that it's not generally true

[pale wolf]

even stevens aight, not top of the stats level but it is a common I guess

[signal frigate]

It's much easier to score but much easier to die to because of boss blinds

[cloud sinew]

thats why you should try and distribute wilds equally between suits

[still tapir]

definetly, you have to sell it on the wheel

[cloud sinew]

2 wilds per suit is usually the cutoff

[nova junco]

Don't suit bosses disable all wilds anyways

[shell current]

The one time it misses your run dies so it does literally nothing for your score unless you have Oops! Or are just trying to get a funny large number in endless

[pale wolf]

huh

[signal frigate]

I like having multiple different suits for wilds anyways because it tickles my brain so I already do that

[orchid comet]

yes

[cloud sinew]

yes, which is why you should distribute wilds between suits so that any one suit isnt affected more than the others

[pale wolf]

they'll still count as their base suit for hand determination

[random ice]

Yeah that's AJ rules right?

[nova junco]

Yeah fair

[signal frigate]

Guess what, Bloodstone is actually viable for gold stake

[pale wolf]

on checkered

when you run out of chances for good scoring

[cedar shell]

i freaking love oops all sixes

that is all

[nova junco]

Same

[signal frigate]

RNG is just a bitch

[cloud sinew]

can be, but more often than not bloodstone will just kill you if you take it

[shell current]

It’s an econ joker in the same vein as misprint because sometimes you one-shot early and get $1-3 extra from the hands

[random ice]

I take Bloodstone when it appears to be the only solution

Typically I draft it ante 7 / 8

[signal frigate]

Yeah true, people always joke about the speculative oops but it's actually a better take than a bloodstone

[orchid comet]

does orbital tag ever give flush five or 5oak

[cedar shell]

take an oops and grab lucky cards

[nova junco]

I take bloodstone always if it's earlier than ante 4

[cloud sinew]

speculative oops is almost always econ

[orchid comet]

curious

[random ice]

Oops works with Luckys

[pale wolf]

speculative oops means lucky money and a good hallucination

[shell current]

So it’s like c-tier on checkered because it’s viable as bad econ for the whole game instead of its usual spot in F-tier for being expensive And falling off in ante 3

[cedar shell]

oops is my underrated goat

[cloud sinew]

that's a pretty good way to lose runs earlier than you otherwise would

[nova junco]

8 ball synergy

[pale wolf]

sure

[nova junco]

Yeah that's the point lmao

[still tapir]

egglegglegg

[nova junco]

But when it goes well it's very fun

[signal frigate]

8 ball is supposed to be a good joker but it proves itself useless in most of my runs

[pale wolf]

lose em fast so you can play more balatro /s

[cedar shell]

i take rare skips in ante 1 a lot bc its funny

[orchid comet]

dagger

[nova junco]

Exactly

More runs

[cloud sinew]

idk if its supposed to be a good joker

[unreal elbow]

pookie has arrived

[nova junco]

No joker should be SUPPOSED to be bad

[pale wolf]

supposed by the discord community

[signal frigate]

I gaslight myself into thinking that

[pale wolf]

8ball is okay

i cant say its good

[signal frigate]

I kind of disagree? If every joker is good then what's really interesting about that?

[cerulean parcel]

Good?

[shell current]

Speculative oops is great because you can always “afford” for lucky cards to not hit money and evaluate them based off long-term EV

[nova junco]

I don't think I've ever gotten a single tarot from 8ball lmao

[nova junco]

What

[cedar shell]

whats interesting is how, why, and when they're good

[still tapir]

guys, whats the game plan 💀 💔

[nova junco]

omg it's

[pale wolf]

You still can with normal lucky cards but yeah even better ratio

[nova junco]

Swashing time

[shell current]

RNG-based scoring you always have to evaluate based on lowest possible roll because you just die if it happens 4 hands back to back

[random ice]

Or you fullskip to minimize loss potential

[still tapir]

indeed

[signal frigate]

That's true, I just don't think every joker should be amazing

[nova junco]

If bloodstone hits the 1 in 128 then just go buy a lottery ticket

[cloud sinew]

interest makes it iffy relative to other econ jokers

[random ice]

Like fr fullskip with bloodstone has been an unfortunate win con in some of my more unpleasant runs

[cloud sinew]

gambler's fallacy

[signal frigate]

Even bad jokers have their uses, I will not elaborate on Throwback though

[still tapir]

is skipping blinds something you should do?

[pale wolf]

I mean there's more than just the chance of not a single proc, you could get one proc or two, maybe even three isn't enough

[nova junco]

I heard that's the beta name of balatro

[cedar shell]

you're not gonna believe this, it depends

[signal frigate]

VERY rarely, most of the time, absolutely not

[cedar shell]

mostly no but maaaaybe

[cloud sinew]

sometimes, but it's usually optimal to skip like 5% of the time

[signal frigate]

Ante 1 investment tags can be really good

[nova junco]

Depends if you want to let's go gambling or if you want to actually win runs lol

[signal frigate]

There's also something to be argued about with Voucher tags

[cedar shell]

you are required to take ante 1 investment tag

[pale wolf]

generally not but there are use cases for many of them
My new rule of thumb is that if you're not mentally taking note of how much you're making per round and comparing it to what the skip would give you then you should get more experience

[signal frigate]

Coupon tags gets lower in value the higher you go up in stakes

[cloud sinew]

thats why I said "optimal", implicitly about winning. for fun, you can do whatever. fun doesnt really matter much for balance discussions

[signal frigate]

And almost every other tags are either useless or somewhere in the range of "Why are you skipping for this?"

[shell current]

Sometimes with perishables or AJ it is correct to skip regardless of tags

[nova junco]

True

[pale wolf]

yeah and sometimes the skipping is just for the skip, not for the tag

[still tapir]

thanks

[signal frigate]

What do you propose to make Skip tags more interesting?

[pale wolf]

Don't

skipping is inherently flawed because it is playing less of the game

[nova junco]

I remember a run where I had a perishable seltzer carrying me so I skipped 3 times over ante 7 and 8 to win

[signal frigate]

That's fair

[still tapir]

yeah

[signal frigate]

Not playing the game isn't so fun

[pale wolf]

maybe removing some of the ones that are virtually useless in almost every scenario though is okay

[still tapir]

rare joker tag always gives me obelisk

[nova junco]

I'd keep the skip tags in just for the gamble

[cedar shell]

hear me out

[shell current]

Buffing the joker edition skips to be free of tags would make them actually worth considering on higher stakes

[signal frigate]

Or give an incentive to do it without much risk, like the deck built for skipping

[nova junco]

Because when you actually get something useful from them it feels very good

[cedar shell]

turn negative tag into negative rare tag and make it spawn in 5 instead of waiting for the shop

only way to balance negative tag

[nova junco]

Anaglyph isn't built for skipping if that's what you're talking about

[signal frigate]

That's more like a joke

[cloud sinew]

if this is sincere, then this is a bad way to rebalance it

[pale wolf]

I don't think they're worth on low stakes so I don't think removing the stickers from them on the high stakes would make it viable, just would stop it from being strictly detrimental

[shell current]

Like I would probably skip ante 1/2 smB for a generic holo if I knew it wasn’t going to be perishable or eternal rental

[cerulean parcel]

Balatro is my new addiction

[signal frigate]

But Anaglyph's gimmick is still about skipping

[still tapir]

yeah

[cerulean parcel]

What do we think of ghost deck?

[cedar shell]

im just joshin around bc i like negative tag but its not the best

[still tapir]

ghost deck is top 5

[signal frigate]

One of my favorites

[nova junco]

Fun

[clear socket]

cat gaming

[cloud sinew]

holo and foil are definitely worth on low stakes, not always but often enough to be considered

[cerulean parcel]

Zodiac?

[cloud sinew]

poly and negative arent though

[cerulean parcel]

I always look for a holo and poly

[still tapir]

zodiac deck, is kinda mid

[signal frigate]

Even in low stakes, the edition tags are almost never worth it imo lol

[pale wolf]

I was more thinking rare and uncommon tags but yeah I can see that I guess

[nova junco]

I mean anything will work in low stakes

[cerulean parcel]

Green deck?

[still tapir]

zodiac isnt as bad as yellow or black

[cloud sinew]

holo is absolutely worth it a1, probably about as much as investment

[signal frigate]

Spawn of satan

[still tapir]

green deck is really good for econ

[cloud sinew]

what the fuck is this sentence

[cerulean parcel]

Most of the time

[cerulean parcel]

Woah woah don’t diss my boy like that

[pale wolf]

most of the time is all of the time in careful play

[cloud sinew]

"as bad as"
yellow and zodiac are top 4 decks, black is the worst deck in the game 😭

[cerulean parcel]

better money maker than yellow

[orchid comet]

woah

[signal frigate]

I don't like how it punishes you for something that's out of your control

[nova junco]

I hate zodiac deck

[orchid comet]

green is op okay?

[still tapir]

yellow is just outclassed by grren

[orchid comet]

u can spend as much as u want in every shop

[still tapir]

green*

[cloud sinew]

green is bottom 5

[cedar shell]

zodiac i can acknowledge as pretty good but i personally dislike it

[signal frigate]

Zodiac is kinda just meh imo, it's the most forgettable deck

[cerulean parcel]

The amount of money is insane

[signal frigate]

It's good but

[cedar shell]

green gets fucking oblierated by yellow

[orchid comet]

for higher stakes yes I can't disagree with that

[signal frigate]

Meh

[pale wolf]

have the people saying this played gold stake green deck

lol

[cerulean parcel]

It’s alright

[cloud sinew]

are you ragebaiting or do you have under 100 hours

[orchid comet]

yeah no I left green after blue stake

[cerulean parcel]

Abandoned deck?

[cloud sinew]

top 3

[pure stone]

Good first run, still a bit confusing but we going

[pale wolf]

did it start getting hard

[still tapir]

honestly i have under 100 hours

[signal frigate]

Early on, where you're not always gonna draw your desired hand and be forced to snuff out your hands, you're left with less money than you should be getting

[orchid comet]

yes

[nova junco]

I think I did green deck gold stake

[cerulean parcel]

I have feeling only 3 people use this deck

[nova junco]

It was weird

[orchid comet]

the -1 discard is so bad for green

[nova junco]

My baby

My full house deck

[signal frigate]

I just don't like how it completely removes the one thing the game kinda teaches you

[cloud sinew]

your feeling would be incorrect

[shell current]

Green deck is gonna get a huge glow up from Ass to Mid when they fix blue stake

[cerulean parcel]

It’s a hard counter to tooth and ox too

[orchid comet]

plasma

[still tapir]

imma be honest i forgot green had -1 discard

[nova junco]

What

[still tapir]

maybe yellow is better

[orchid comet]

it doesn't, blue stake does

[cloud sinew]

plasma is bottom 2 at gold stake

[pale wolf]

😭

[still tapir]

oh

then wtf

[signal frigate]

Interest is better than Green's gimmick

[nova junco]

That's just blue stake not green deck

[orchid comet]

HUH

[cerulean parcel]

Fuck the black deck

[pale wolf]

we in the zoo rn

[nova junco]

What's going on here😭

[cerulean parcel]

all my homies hate the black deck

[orchid comet]

I'm trying to go up in stakes in that rn

[still tapir]

PLASMA IS THE BEST DECK

[cloud sinew]

i feel like im going to write a paragraph to each person here at some point

[signal frigate]

I can vouch for Black Deck

[orchid comet]

IKR

[still tapir]

only blue deck is in contention

[cloud sinew]

plasma goes from top 5 to bottom 2
from blue stake -> purple stake

[orchid comet]

I haven't even unlocked plasma

[cerulean parcel]

Go ahead vouch

[signal frigate]

If Blue Stake doesn't exist, I would give it enough credit

[pale wolf]

never @ me again about obelisk unless you groe a "newbrain". obelisk is the realistically fastest scaling joker WITHOUT abusing blueprint. even on black deck, you outscale madness in a fair race, not even mentioning the boss blinds. Obelisk's existence alone buffs two pair to the BEST hand type. It transcends builds. It is the best round 1 joker hands down, better than yorick, better than hologram, better than baron.

[cloud sinew]

so then why are you "HUH"ing what i said

[signal frigate]

But I think Black Deck is a fun and challenging deck

[orchid comet]

what's purple stake

[orchid comet]

I just like the concept

of plasma

[cloud sinew]

antes scale faster, it's an effective 2x blind size at ante 8

[still tapir]

black deck is impossible early game, unless you get a good joker first two rounds

[signal frigate]

Bigger scoring requirement

[orchid comet]

again?

[cerulean parcel]

My problem with black deck is it’s gimmick it gives an extra joker but ruins your hands
Just use a negative or anti matter

[orchid comet]

after green stake?

😭

[cedar shell]

my favorite deck is painted

[nova junco]

Are we doing copypastas now lmao

[signal frigate]

That's the fault of Blue Stake being incredibly punishing

[pale wolf]

purple stake violet vessel is 1.2million

[orchid comet]

why

[still tapir]

painted is really good

[orchid comet]

doable

[pale wolf]

well yea

[cloud sinew]

so purple+ plasma needs to score 2.4M against vessel, or 800k against every other boss
~1/6 to die against vessel if you run full chips on plasma

[cedar shell]

i like the concept and i like playing it in practice, also i like being able to eat an ecto just like that

[orchid comet]

I hate the jump from 500k to 7m though

[pale wolf]

we do it all the time

[shell current]

You had me until “best round 1 joker” when holographic rebate exists

[signal frigate]

That's just endless, the game isn't balanced around it

[cerulean parcel]

Even on white it’s so shiiiit

[cloud sinew]

endless doesnt really matter

[signal frigate]

Not really? 6 jokers is great on white stake lol

[pale wolf]

endless isnt real my friend 🦓

[cerulean parcel]

Endless doesn’t matter

[orchid comet]

endless does matter 💔

[signal frigate]

I mean come on, it's fucking white stake, how are you gonna complain?

[orchid comet]

endless lives matter

[cerulean parcel]

Negative joker and antimatter

[cloud sinew]

black deck is absolutely the worst deck even on white stake, it's just that the game gives you so much room for mistakes that you don't realise

[cerulean parcel]

I just like my hands okay?

[cloud sinew]

not for balance discussions

endless is secondary to ante 8

[orchid comet]

oh okay

[still tapir]

egg and swash is a top 10 combo, almost up there w/ chad & photo

[pale wolf]

what decks actually change position in difficulty depending on stake

[orchid comet]

I like black deck but the starting is really frustrating

[signal frigate]

Endless is a completely different discussion entirely

[cedar shell]

i love eating an ecto and snagging an antimatter to turn painted from 4 joker 10 hand size to 6 joker 9 hand size

[pale wolf]

nahhhh you aint real 🦓

[signal frigate]

I'd say it's definitely both Plasma and Black

[orchid comet]

-1 hand trying to get through ante 1 and 2 is hell

[cerulean parcel]

What do we think of red deck

[nova junco]

Earlier I won a gold stake where most of the mult came from swash egg

Somehow

[cerulean parcel]

Only 150 people play this one

[cloud sinew]

black deck is the worst deck at every stake

[still tapir]

yes

[cedar shell]

like it for countering blue stake

[cerulean parcel]

Yes

[orchid comet]

no downside, pretty awesome, cancels out blue stake

[signal frigate]

It gets worse down the line is the thing

[shell current]

Eggbonkler is so good

[pale wolf]

whats harder than black deck on white stake

[cerulean parcel]

It’s nice I guess

[cloud sinew]

it doesnt change position though, it's solidified as the worst deck

[signal frigate]

It's hard to say

[cerulean parcel]

Gold stake is insane

[orchid comet]

painted?

[nova junco]

Black deck on RED STAKE (evil laugh)

[pale wolf]

painted is the only one that comes to mind but I don't think its harder

[shell current]

Top 5 but boring

[orchid comet]

I forgot what the upside for painted was

[signal frigate]

You get used to it after a while, it becomes fun

[orchid comet]

yeah

[pale wolf]

I think plasma is definitely a much better deck on low stakes though

[signal frigate]

Also Red Deck is okay, it's overshadowed by Blue imo

[cloud sinew]

+2 handsize, -1 joker slot
the handsize is huge, and -1 joker slot doesnt matter that much because the scoring is fairly low and you don't have blue stake or black stake to contend with

[orchid comet]

fr

and yellow

[nova junco]

Isn't blue just better than red

[signal frigate]

Discards are nice but having more money on Blue is really good

[pale wolf]

In almost every scenario yeah

[cerulean parcel]

Painted sucks when it sucks but works so well sometimes

[still tapir]

😭

[pale wolf]

if you started every run with rebate would red deck be better than blue

[cerulean parcel]

Half joker hate is forced

[orchid comet]

600 u can do it

[cerulean parcel]

Same with misprint

[nova junco]

I mean it's ante 1 you can win anyways

[still tapir]

ik

[orchid comet]

easily

[still tapir]

but

[orchid comet]

yeee

[cloud sinew]

😭

[signal frigate]

I wouldn't say so since you HAVE to start with a joker

[cerulean parcel]

Me when it’s another boring deck discussion;

[shell current]

No

[cloud sinew]

it's not eternal

[cloud sinew]

it absolutely would be

by a mile

[nova junco]

Not really

[signal frigate]

Blue just has upsides, you don't need a joker to make it good

[cerulean parcel]

Having more hands is better than discards

[pale wolf]

if you started with reserved parking would painted be better than abandoned

[shell current]

Blue deck is +25% scoring for free and you get to dig the same amount

[cerulean parcel]

Yes

[signal frigate]

Oh you mean you start a run with a Rebate?

[orchid comet]

scoring is fairly low?

[signal frigate]

Then absolutely

[cerulean parcel]

I have never seen someone use abandoned it’s kinda sad

[orchid comet]

what's the easiest to gold stake aside from yellow blue and red

[shell current]

Obviously red deck with rebate smokes blue deck no rebate tho

[cloud sinew]

abandoned

[orchid comet]

basically a deck with a downside

[cerulean parcel]

Best deck?

[orchid comet]

yes

[pale wolf]

those are the words that I said in the order I said them yes

[signal frigate]

I thought you meant the chance of buying a rebate in the first shop

[cloud sinew]

yes, that was the hypothetical.

[orchid comet]

and checkered I suppose

[cloud sinew]

no

[orchid comet]

really?

why so

[nova junco]

Checkered is the easiest in anything

[cloud sinew]

after blue and yellow it's abandoned and then zodiac

[signal frigate]

Checkered is so braindead

[pale wolf]

for your first gold stake I think checkered is definitely the easiest because you lack a lot of fundamental skills that easy flushes make up for early in the learning process, but lack consistency overall

[cloud sinew]

what do you mean by easiest

if you mean that it takes the least effort, sure

[pale wolf]

if you're going for win rate consistency checkered is not the best one though

[nova junco]

Most likely to win if you're bad at the game

[cloud sinew]

"if youre bad at the game" is a big caveat

[orchid comet]

how so

[nova junco]

Yeah but that also is what easy means

[signal frigate]

I have the highest winrate in Magic, Ghost and Checkered

[orchid comet]

Is it because it debuffs a lot of jokers like onyx agate?

[still tapir]

how on earth is yellow and zodiac better than painted and ghost

[pale wolf]

You just get better benefits on other decks, like blue and yellow

[signal frigate]

You can still win with those

[cloud sinew]

thats what youre using it to mean. that's why i asked what you meant by easy

[pale wolf]

I think checker is still easier than average

[orchid comet]

how is yellow better than painted?

[pale wolf]

top 7 decks

[orchid comet]

bruh

[unreal iron]

money = GOOD

[orchid comet]

it's free $12

[cloud sinew]

econ is pretty much everything

[pale wolf]

getting to interest cap and making as much money as you can throughout the entire run is the biggest indicator of success for any deck except green

[cerulean parcel]

I was a full house fan until I saw flush

[cloud sinew]

which snowballs very quickly

[unreal iron]

yes hand size is a huge factor but the -1 joker slot can hurt at times

[orchid comet]

I know I was just repeating his question back to him

[still tapir]

wow

[cerulean parcel]

Easy money

[orchid comet]

I see

[shell current]

You get overstock for free

[cloud sinew]

you see more of everything

[cerulean parcel]

Zodiac is underrated

[orchid comet]

is it?

[unreal iron]

gotta love more jokers per average reroll

[nova junco]

I don't like zodiac

[cloud sinew]

you see more jokers per roll, more tarots per roll, and more planets per roll

[cerulean parcel]

What do we think of nebula?

[orchid comet]

I like the concept of ghost

[shell dagger]

stinky

[nova junco]

If you have the 2 vouchers then not really

[cloud sinew]

3rd worst deck for win%, worst deck for fun

[cloud sinew]

WRONG

[shell dagger]

calculate it

1.43 vs 1.53

[unreal iron]

it is mathematically proven

[nova junco]

Fr?

[orchid comet]

I just meant I think people do recognise it

[shell dagger]

OMG what a cute table i wonder who wrote it

[cloud sinew]

Zodiac Math:
at base (no vouchers or changes, I.e planet merchant or ghost deck) the weights of planets are 4, tarots are 4, and jokers are 20
every roll there's a 20/28 that you get a joker in that slot, so (20/28) X 2 is the average jokers per roll (~1.429 jokers per roll)

On zodiac the weights of planets go to 9.6, as with tarots, so the calculation changes to 20/39.2, and because of overstock you have 3 slots.
The math on zodiac, per roll, then becomes (20/39.2) X 3, which is ~1.53 jokers per roll

[cerulean parcel]

Balatro wiki or fandom?

[cloud sinew]

balatrowiki.org

[pale wolf]

my boy lars ofc
he wrote everything thats in the wiki :^)

[cerulean parcel]

Thought so

[shell dagger]

wtf,

[orchid comet]

what's the concept of weight

[unreal iron]

lars?

[pale wolf]

same table is on both but exclusively .org

[nova junco]

That's nice I guess

[pale wolf]

if something is weighted more, it will happen more often

[unreal iron]

how much a thing can appear in a reroll

[cerulean parcel]

Zodiac deck actually gives you more jokers which is funny

[unreal iron]

or shop

[orchid comet]

I see

[pale wolf]

lars

wjin

i think

[shell dagger]

it’s like if you have 28 balls in a bag, 20 are jokers

[cloud sinew]

specific item's weight / sum of all item weights = odds of seeing that thing per event

[still tapir]

i hope we can all agree blue is a top 3 deck

[shell dagger]

each shop slot picks a ball from the bag

[pale wolf]

top 1 imo

The highest Gold streak that I know of is on Blue Deck

[orchid comet]

that makes sense thank you for explaining that way

I understand it now

[nova junco]

For consistency yeah

[cerulean parcel]

Silver deck is the best

[orchid comet]

blue then yellow then red?

[pale wolf]

not red

abandoned probably

[cloud sinew]

silver deck wouldnt even be the best if it was in the current version

[cerulean parcel]

one free joker right off the bat is crazy

[nova junco]

What's a silver deck

[orchid comet]

that's a real deck?

[still tapir]

am i getting yellow wrong, imma play a run on yellow cuz i swear its not that good

[cerulean parcel]

Ik was making funni joke

[cloud sinew]

it was a thing in previous versions

[pale wolf]

just like save your money and don't spend down to zero immediately thinking oh you have all this money

[unreal iron]

please do not spend all your money in the first shop

[shell dagger]

it has a very strong earlygame and makes early rentals far less punishing

[pale wolf]

pretend that your money starts at $25 and you don't have any until you're there

[still tapir]

ok

[pale wolf]

except for getting a single scoring Joker at the start

[orchid comet]

it gives $10 extra dollars ($14 instead of $4) and if you don't skip first ante like a sane person, you get $2 in interest

[cerulean parcel]

Braided deck is underrated

[cloud sinew]

yellow deck is the only deck where investment doesnt really make sense a1

[shell dagger]

is braided deck even rated

[cerulean parcel]

It’s good but green is better

[unreal iron]

always try opening the first buffoon pack, or if you find empress/hierophant/judgement in the shop its worth it

[pale wolf]

braided deck is overbraided

[still tapir]

i have litterally never heard of this deck

[unreal iron]

green is bottom 5 what

[random ice]

Ante 8 juggle tag pulls through again

[orchid comet]

but blueprint 💔

[cerulean parcel]

If braided deck was in the game nowadays it would actually be good

[nova junco]

What's a braided deck

[orchid comet]

same but it's probably something from previous versions of balatro

just like silver

[cloud sinew]

pair starting at 40x4 would be good

[pale wolf]

I'm going to be honest I don't know what the hell braided deck is

[unreal iron]

credit card in the speculation

[cerulean parcel]

Demo deck

[still tapir]

ok]

[cloud sinew]

your most played hand starts at level 3

[cerulean parcel]

Lvl 3 for most played hand

[unreal iron]

yeah what does it do

[pale wolf]

I know the deck art but I don't know the effect

[pale wolf]

oh like on the profile, that sucks

[shell dagger]

that’s just magic deck without crystal ball smh

[cloud sinew]

#⚙・modding-general

[unreal iron]

math in my math game???