#🕹・game-discussion
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is the Burnt Joker good here and if it is what to replace with it?
i don't think you have the time to scale it unless magic trick is in the shop
Since you have chad id replace parking
Then after a few rounds clever joker should be on the chopping board
yeah, trying to find the photo i guess
strongest constellation (he will be sacrificed soon)
and people call this joker good smh
Madness
literally only 1.1X and dies in small blind, literally unplayable
Same. I stopped 3 minutes ago and Im getting the itch
rental rocket kinda goes hard, you need to tough it out for 2 antes but after that youre so set
4 fingers runner moment
literally had a ice cream pop on the boss blind
that mf giving me 5 chips
and i forgot to replace it
runner so good on plasma
wsg gnggg
Rate scuffed run
chipful
am I scaling square joker enough
are you winning early
the run itself has been fine so far
just move c2 to the left if you don't need the scoring
guys do you think i can do the elusive chips to xmult plasma deck pivot ?
lv4 straight atm so 13 base mult
i dont think i can
odd todd eternal was an error tbh but its what its
could be worth over tarot and scaryface maybe then see what hearts be doin
Had a brainstorm and a stencil, got 2 spectral packs on shop, ankh'd stencil thinking I'd just keep 2 stencils, then next pack I get a wraith with blueprint on it 🥹🥹
yeah it's funny watching back when I'm sober
there was literally no reason the game should have been that close, I just didn't look at my deck for some reason
imagine a world where I don't play high
100 streak
That's what I would do if I had a paycheck from this
my ass is struggling with scoring and violet vessel shows up, I have to take the reroll skip to even have a chance of surviving
You should count yourself very lucky to see a boss reroll tag on VV
I nearly died multiple times from little scoring in general
4 more stickers ><
my lineup looks like this btw
glyph time
an excellent one
probably would’ve killed me if I didn’t have nacho tongs
i only saw 2 temps this run 😞
did you do it for gift card value or something
run ends on small blind anyway
Dindijdindindidnidjdn
I knew it
just blue seals tbh
Should have used 8 ball
even the hands todd was disabled i was scoring 200k
how?
I really need to lock in next time I play, probably on my break today
you had early square and rtb right?
I want to get a five streak
yes, but there was little xmult
what were they both at
i want to do all decks without losing
I got close before
rtb was around 50 something and square was at around 180
I think I'm capable of it but im not touching nebula ever again
That’s easy.
gold stake
I did that challenge but without winning
when’d you get both
rtb at ante 1, and I think square was at ante 2
180 is like 12 full rounds of square scaling
Why do people use square it’s so ass
both are pretty low for when you found them
because it isn’t ass
also I was broke for most of the run
No I’m being genuine. It scales so slowly I’d rather use anything else
4 antes of full scaling is 48 mult for rtb
i think you held onto abstract joker for too long
maybe that’s why you don’t win
if you think square joker is “slow scaling” and “bad”
it’s a 4 dollar common, it scales slow compared to runner but it’s extremely easy to scale and can still get to +300 if picked up early
using all hands every round sounds pretty bad for your econ though
also you’d rather use anything else but chips scalers are rare so you are unlikely to find another one quickly
it’s worth it
not if you’re hitting interest cap
The money is so that you can find scoring
Not quite naenif yet
and RTB by itself can carry you until you get interest cap
especially on abandoned deck
is foil square worse than normal square early
no
My total chip output always ends up being smaller with the foil but I guess it's safer throughout the game
i doubt it ends up at a lower value
It's happened to me two or three times
+1 mult and +4 chips is more than worth 1$
rtb/green joker + square would also be hard to scale every hand tho
because of how much you score
but then how did you become broke???
im a little confused
rerolling for Baron of course
like if you aren’t able to scale every hand
you’re gonna have money left over
leading to interest quicker
quite early too…
you're the wee to my ner
The humble hack:
was actually photo
for only like 2 of the 8 antes i had it for
i got wee a1
or maybe ante 2 start shop
photo sent it into overdrive
what?
what
do you mean chad
dude i think of photochad as 1 joker atp
im brainrotted
i meant chad
any time i see retrigger im like yeah some photochad shit
photowee
wee chad
this means nothing 🔥

see its 1 joker
VOTE FOR H !!!!!!!!!
H party goated
that sound very republican

what is this policy arch
Arch
XD
That sounds like a spectral card in 2027
x333 balatrillion dollars
this might be the WORST CARD in the history of balatro
negative tag perishable rental seance 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
card so shit i didnt even play next blind i just hit r
idk if I'm gonna make it /j
yes
I also had a certificate
wild play
6 nacho tongs
ahhh
that's how I have 11/9
pretty normal cause stencil
Linux
ig yeah
almost lost there
Hologram gaming
technically certificate does its thing in-round, for some reason
What's up guys
shoot the queen
it's at the start of the round
misogyny deck just dropped
just popped shoot the moon from a judgment bro
its judging me
0 queens and it gives me this from the tarot 😭
🖼️
1/5 to whiff
swash +10 mult
GG
okay W
i think my walkie talkie wants to die
:3
skip for red card value
FUCK
speculative arcana pack
top 10 worst burgers ever
I could always get hook... after using 2 ectos... surely...
fool next shop trust
thats in the round and you can proc it again within the round
nobody:
160 chip walkie talkie:
so i could have 5 hands 4 discards
that's not intended though
blue
okay yeah thought as much
should I? :3
it would be funny tho
which is 1/4
sadly 160 chip walkie talkie was the only thing this run was good for
insane
its the same kind of technicality of the code as the trading card hook interaction
the people who say they can never find a way to destroy... I think you just have bad econ & don't block tarots
Ya it's cool
yorick could never
Yorick would never here, true
The thing that's not intentional is it being an in-round effect, therefore it is an in-round effect
PERKEO!
what
nobody ever knows tarot blocking 
it being unintentional doesn't MAKE IT an in-round effect
it just is one
it is an in-round effect, despite being unintentionally so
cant you scum it?
like save scum
to see what legendary it is
It's a quick time event but yeah
yes
bye photo
I'm gonna open packs first though
cause judgment
and temperance
and temperance ya
temeperanace
dont wanna :c
I've slowly stopped scumming as much
i only scum if its a mobile accidental sell
well yeah I'll always scum mistakes
HELLO???
mis clicks
MY FIRST DOUBLE SOUL
on another note this matador is tempting since the club is my first boss
do it you won't
even if its eternal
its basically one eternal for an investment tag
and it could be more investment tag sometimes
half boy will make this real easy
hey guys i ran into trouble when installing the mayhem mod pack for balatro is someone able to help me out as ive got an error "Missing dependencies" JenLib lmk whats the problem
was familiar not a play
More face cards to kill with the immolate potentially
shop before the boss blind
it is not a mega
reading helps /t
zeeba (not good)
I mean to be fair it's round 22 not 23
I skipped once for investment
if you had infinite hands and infinite deck size how long would it take for one to naneinf
just the general ballpark how many millenia
A single round if you got blue Joker
2 seconds with a certain mod
🙂
Real and true
with "normal" hands? the head death of the universe and then some
blue streak of 0 achieved
girl lost to the hook on blue deck
WITH SCORING 😭
Girl lost to the hook on blue deck with runner
this is why checkered best deck, atleast you never lose ante 1 
i currently am better than lilo, with a reigning streak of 2
takes skill
my mom asked me if i did the dishes, i answered, "lilo!" she smiled, she knew they were washed
I just did a stupid tier list
Who the fuck pregnant man reacted me
TRUTHNUKE
im the face of pregnant men
ranking jokers if they were in a fight with me
why are you losing to a banana from the grocery store
radioactivity
what
astronomer isnt an actual star its just a guy
That's a meme, if anything michels are more radioactive bc of all the nuclear tests being done back then 🙂
why would you be losing to deoxyribonucleic acid
you could not beat a bus in a fight
luckily it's just a sign
I thought that was a sign?
😭
then again if you're calling that a sign then I don't know how astronomer kills you
you couldnt beat a bus sign in a fight
he seems like a cosmic being to me
astronomers don't really go to space that often
theyr just beating the crap out of a bus stop, but then again thatd hurt your fists
You are not beating half joker
I could break a bus sign in half in probably 2 minutes, including the time to take it off the pole
half joker is half a jimbo
Yorick is literally dead bro you will win
counterpoint: jimbo is jimbo, half joker isn’t jimbo
sign aluminum is very easy to work harden and destroy
chat is half joker jimbo
yorick's a bum even in the story hes been dead for 23 years
so theres 2 things here to consider besides the snap purchase green joker
work harden not smarten
no, different position on the card
:3
groker
do i take the voucher regardless for emergencies later in the run or take the banana as well
Last achievement joker left for me is $400 joker, any tips?
yorick in balatro is a resurrected one
okay well this is different, he isn't Jimbo but he is a Jimbo
you take it at the end of this ante
anaglyph economy skip, or just like get a lot of money
from the very start
i mean if you take banan you wont scale grimbo that much
I see ...
unless you get lucky and kill it next round or smth
No green ?
i lowkey wanna skip gros michel due to the rental too
no you get less money on green overall I think
yea just take the voucher
anaglyph tag + good money skip on ante 8+ or luck out with a golden ticket retrigger build
what's so deadly about dna
I mean you definitely could unlock it on green deck white stake
shhh it has the 2nd highest starting deck money
I don't think it would be that much harder
usually relevant for interest reasons lol
manipulate my genes and I die
You know you're already full of DNA right
you have dna
You are comprised of it
what if its like. a vial of strawberry dna just sitting there menacingly
what
Yes
like the rnb artist b.o.b.
uh no, ||because it’s a donut||
bundle of balloons from terraria
under this model where is Antarctica exactly
on the inside ring of the donut
I've been watching Terraria challenge runs the past few days, there's so much more in the game than when I first finished it back in 2017
Antarctica is the frosting that I licked off, it doesn’t exist anymore
spent like 400 hours on a world with my friend
yeah 1.4 was huge
when antartica melts away we will see beyond the ice wall that the government keeps hiding from us
I'm confused at the ?? category tbh
I think they're hiding an even bigger ice wall
Oh, they are jokers that are a bit abstract/conceptual so I’m not really sure how to rank them
Arrowhead is literally an arrowhead
Unsure means I know how to rank IF I know their power
The hell is an arrowhead
Raised fist is like
the final terraria update
My balatro brainrot has peaked, I heard the word holo and thought of hologram
the concept of communism
what the fuck do you mean
The head of an arrow
You shoot at animals to hunt
honestly worst of the gem joker, doesnt even remotely count as a gem
Bloodstone is literally the shit you get in your bladder from eating too much salt
Worth more to me than a rough gem to be honest
What should I do a joker ranking based on
I’m stupid. Ok, maybe “easy knockout” for arrowhead
at least it has history
how are yall so good
Autism
10% luck
800 hours
but it's also 20% skill
love this community
Hornet told me git gud enough times that its engraved to my brain for any game I play
What happened to the 70%?
Well think logically
15% is concentrated power of will
well there's also 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, and 50% pain
and most of all, 100% reason to remember the name
5% pleasure in balatro is what happens when you see a high number with a scaling x mult joker
Obelisk is top 3 xmult scalers imo
Maybe top 4
Yeah probably top 4
hologram constellation yorick campfire obelisk canio
What about glass joker, steel joker and lucky cat?
I would say glass is better than campfire
I would not
Glass Joker is decent but you need specific tarots or hits from packs to scale it
its strictly worse than canio which is already worse than campfire imo
campfire is far more versatile for the requirements you need to satisfy it
Idk the average mult I get from campfire is 2-4x which gets reset per round whereas with a good setup you could probably get 2-4x mult with glass joker playing high card/pairs with dna
well one could debate
okay so this incantation gave me 4 spades...
casually rolling the 1/256
It's the ability to dump all of your money into xmo on the very final ante that makes campfire especially powerful
or each ante
Maybe I'm just bad at using campfire lol
for sparing use
particularly for Violet vessel but yeah it scales as high as you need it to go as long as you're playing with proper economy
Rate my spare a penny joker line up
a7 is usually the campfires econ checkpoint I try to look at
Amazing vagabond synergy
Yur
Is that a negative onyx?
No foil
it's missing a campfire
vagabond fortune teller my beloved
I didn't even notice that
And my moms credit card lol
it is for me with some "help"
Campfire + perkeo would be interesting
doesn't help much tbf, unless you get herm or temp it's just +$12/+0.75x
the perkeo was just for copying temperance
Credit card let me keep money while I can still get value off of vagabond
I don't like credit card with vagabond that much
from my perspective, it really only lets you not pay attention to rerolling
since you don't want to be massively in debt
I still wanna use the shop and my joker slot
What if I'm just the vagabond that just thrives in debt (in minecraft)
someday you might use it to 100% game
Completions+?
done 4 c++ so far
noice
I may take heiro here... idk if I can beat vessel but I'll do a scoring check next blind
also boss reroll tbf
I think I'm scoring 220k
which means I might be fine actually
I'm having technical difficulties on my 6th c++
per hand or round
Do yall think its worth swapping flash card for showman to try and roll another cavendish or shoot to the moon? Flash card is at +134 mult and grows fast because i have both re roll vouchers
lol
I would get rid of stm tbh
per hand on a spade flush, red card is +48, holo is 3x, const is 2x, flush is 185x24 and my deck is 32/58 spades
I love how I said ima get you mari Andy and I just skipped my way to the end and everything just fell in place
I have a lot of steel queens which make up the bulk of my score i think
Im stuck on the loading cloud save screen 
I think I'll be fine against vessel
shame on u
I hate Bloodstone
ya
damn alright, spade Fibonacci run
two spade runs in a row
1 already 
So...
yeah Idol sucks
To be fair you still got lots of junk in the deck
Shoulda used hanged man 
i do think cutting unwanted cards instead of stuffing wanted cards is not in the agenda
Tho idol really betrays you like that sometimes
you couldnt cut properly because of the SEVERE lack of purple seals
purple seals are so good bro
they literally self replicate
I've once had a 31 card deck with a single ace which wasn't fixed and guess what idol chose 
Mmh Its not often when you rely on purple seals to deckfix tho
🤯
well purple seals are famously known for duplicating themselves
purple seals are deck fixing gods
thats why certificate has virtually no downsides!
unlessssss you get 20 red seals
If you have a deck at that level of deckfix you should also have your econ managed so you should be able to find at least a death or a hanged man every shop and slowly trim yo deck
but its for that midgame tho
Ofc how could I forget the buff to purple seals in the last update 
a few purple seals can really help, specially if they are on cards with suits and ranks you want to deck fix towards
you jest, but it's true
Every time you discard a purple seal, create a copy of said seal
well, it's a 1 in 22 change to create a copy yes
good luck and purple seals can literally get idol online by ante 8
Certificate when I get a 2 of spades (at least it has a gold seal)
well, more like turning another card into a purple seal
well idk about certificate but standard packs are a priority now that i know how goddamn powerful purple seals are
blue streak of 2 :P
also tower can nullify any bad effects towards idol by the purple seal itself
Well yeah but there are 2 in 22 tarot cards that are the only ones that can really help you deckfix
Say, 4 in 22 if you count temperance and hermit as help cause of the econ
with blocking it's a little higher than that
magician, tower, fool, and justice are also deckfixing
you wring out ALL the value you can from seals
every last drop
Even if you consumable block with 3 slots it only reduces it to 4 in 19
tower is only really deckfixing for idol specifically
hanged man, strength, world & moon are the better suit changers, also magician is probably awesome too considering luckies are the best enhancement imo
hi lilo
also for bus
and rebate and castle
i dont really consider bus as deckfixing usually lol
castle 🏰
Eh I forgot bout tower and justice fair
didnt realize rebate picked only from what was in deck but makes sense
it stops you from ever being able to score that face card, without removing ofc
but you dont need to block, tarots in general are really good and until you are constantly getting suit changers even hierophant and the mult is good too
But how is magician of any help to deckfix? Is it coz of the 20 dollars?
not scoring faces is easy to the point where in practice idrc
generally, if you are building towards triggers/ have a chad, lucky cards are a REALLY good source of econ
surprisingly consistenttoo
will i target them first with death? yeah but its pretty marginal imo
Yeh but we're talking bout fixing your deck to a single card (the original conversation was about idol)
there are a few scenarios where you can be forced to score faces, so removing that possibility reduces your risk
Random question but what happens if you immolate with a very small hand size ?
if in a pack you soft-lock if there's no cards left
if in a round, you draw new cards if you go down to 0 in hand
Wait you soft lock if you try to open a pack with no cards in deck ? Is that what you are saying ?
and stength is good for that too, the more purple you copy and the more cards you cut the easier it os too draw, copy, use your purple and cut cards
its a positive feedback loop esentially
yeah it's just a soft lock, re-entering the run fixes it
because of savesscumming
i hope the pet ankh glitch never gets fixed
whats the pet ankh glitch?
on ghost deck if you try to buy and use an ankh with full slots it purchases the ankh and lets it just be placed anywhere on the table for the rest of the run
it's better to change a card you can't play into a card you can play
not to mention that having purple seal doesnt debar you from the shop, having purple seals doesnt take any consumable space, joker slots or take away from econ
LET'S GO FINALLY
W
:(
congrats on C rank
next up is B rank
🫡
my WR is averaging to ~70% which isn't bad but like...
ik I took a long break from balatro but I've done gold stake gauntlet before 😭
and I streaked checkered to 13 too
the game felt bad
i got C+ before C and now it seems like im gonna get C++ before C too
hello it was my birthday yesterday
jimbo why do you test me so
Did you know? The Ox is one of the few bosses that only appear in ante 6 or 7
check dms
happy late birthday
i would take c9 and lose to a2sb
blunder reaction
/j
william afton looking up in fear gif
thanks, i had a party yesterday and the day before so i wasnt online anywhere at all
i got C+ before C and now it seems like im gonna get C++ before C too
how does that work
we heard
now grab this and chill 🍿
(im deficient of attention IRL so i copy and paste messages that nobody reacted to seek the attention of users online)
i have never used ouija
oh wait i forgot c was more than just jokers lol
insane that you can get all 3 independently of each other
meanwhile u can get all 3 at once
im surprised illusion isnt the sticking pt
providing u got the right luck
and the right deck
and the right build
and gets slapped
lmao
right? I almost wanted to leave gold stake erratic deck and get the achievements in reverse order but i got bored
seems like by far the least common thing to obtain to me probably?
that too actually
I have never used illusion, ouija and glass joker
like planet tycoon is also rare but unlocking the ability for it to appear is pretty fast
true
whereas i had to specifically unlock illusion after everything else iirc
and you might see it early on zodiac
i mean planet tycoon is kinda useful if you are running constellation
ill have to do that too it seems
illusion is usefu maybel if you're running hologram
but like... yeah
both are pretty terrible
if u are getting illusion, u alr have magic trick which does everytime illusion does
specially base magic trick is like really bad isnt it?
Like it only gives regular cards?
theyre both bad
if magic trick had illusions effect it would still be awful
"would u like to clutter your shop for a chance to get a king of spades"
meanwhile illusion: "and do u want extra spice on top"
"would you like to miss out on tarots and jokers to buy a 7 of clubs"
if base magic trick pulled like standard packs do it might actually be ok
both cant give seals which would be the only reasons you usually wanna add cards to a deck
exactly
amd illusion had better chances for seals and editions
ive only wanted magic trick with hologram and in that one failed naneinf run where i desperately needed more cards to turn into kings
largely bc seeing purple/blue seals would make it actually worth it
both gets f tier for not giving red card 3 mult
the true only reason
goat mentioned
perfect for my seeing double unlock
ah i love the "hold r on erratic deck" challenge
(reset for a ton of 7s and then get a club suit change card+death or whatever)
"i have dementia so i check my deck every single second" challenge
the run is won <3 I don't think I even die to Eye because I can one-shot
and I def don't die to needle
DL is active
Can you beat Balatro while under the effects of Carbon Monoxide?
new roffle video title🔥
i would be most worried abt the "play only 1 hand type" boss then
the build is literally pair/high card spam vro
"today im going to beat 8 antes at balatro's while being chased for tax evasion"
justice so goated, always make justice on checkered deck because the eye will just kill you
it looks like pair specifically and with burgalar you could get unlucky
"I don't think I even die to Eye because I can one-shot"
if its hc tho then yeah its over
real
is hc strong too then?
it does one thing
and that is to encourage spam the same hands
mouth is free anyway isnt it
Are you confusing mouth and eye
Mouth is only 1 hand type
Eye is no repeat hand types
breaking news: mouth is just needle but it kills you slowly
im specifically referencing the boss that only lets u olay one hand type
so mouth
I just won a run with an eternal riff raff
harder needle because fuck u, i have double the amount required
I didn't know gold stake was chill like that
why would mouth be a danger here
red deck gold stake, 11/15! goldened burglar, space man and red card!
if you dont draw pair with your initial hand
and your scaling is on pair
its not likely but ive had my burglar runs die like that before
mouth would actually help me right now
because I'm scoring too quick to dig for my blue seals
I can just play a pair, then play anything but a pair to dig for my blue seals
mouth is now considered as part of attempted addiction
is this a good pair build
burglar bus runs that dies to forced face card with no aces or pairs
Yes
I have black, magic, nebula and painted decks left, how do I torture myself the least, chat?
my scaling is independent if pairs, I have 130x10 on base pairs; green joker is +50 from foil and +51 mult
I also have like x9 total xmult
magic
chips tho
foil
+1 level
Also are you always arguing with someone lol every time I log on ur in a different argument no offense
i mean
if foil is enough then yeah
thanks!
who
You
probably
I like to talk about the game, I also like talking with people who have differing opinions
ok im vanishi- poof
inevitably results in arguing
Fair enough
hello! is there a score calculator mod that would be recommended?
i dont really see what just happened as an argument
more of a discussion
REALLY good one
i use it
Calculate the score of any Balatro hand
if you don't want to use a mod for it
but yeah what iceave said
we were arguing about my build Vs mouth, but it was fine
@cloud sinew Thank you very much!
make sure to disable "Preview Score If Cards Face Down" in the settings though
its on by default for some odd reason
mouth be damned (not bragging /gen)
VV Ante 8, I could reroll but then I run the risk of it bouncing between groker/const/DL against crimson, which is worse than just facing VV
and I think I'm okay scoring wise
I can definitely win in 8 hands
How are my Balabro muchachos?
youd still win in 8 hands though right
bye burglar
absolutely
I'm scoring ~500k per hand if I position it optimally, I'd win within 3
double tag shenanigans
That’s money
imma post seed later, its a gold mine
Most lobotomy based build
it is specific to the magic deck though
noice
:3
damn
highest blue deck streak I've gotten today is 3...
the tooth fears me. as it should'
My runs either are "the most complicated thing known to man" or just "lobotomy"
:)
the "did i get green joker ante 1" dichotomy
i finally got my dagger sticker yesterday
what a headache
It can only go up (if you dont lose)
whats the most consistent strategy for jokerless
Dagger is so fun ngl
Straights, unfortunately
its fun but feels a bit undercooked to me
like what it asks for is pretty demanding and the reward does not feel proportional to how much effort u put into it
whats the best joker in the game
Especially Dagger + egg, is like +6 mult per round but you have to cash it out, its a fun dynamic
its one of the fastest +mult scaling options
depending on what you want it's either the cheapest, one of the fastest, or in between
its still pretty expensive no matter what
and idt its like
particularly fast usually
like unless you have a ton a ton of cash to burn its usually +4/round ime
Atleast its cheaper than flash card
:(
which is like... fine but it also takes up an extra joker slot while doing this
i mean flash card is fine with reroll vouchers, like one of them is good enough too i think. Although +3 per reroll would be too good?
idk
rentals are +2 mult for $1 but 2 mult a round is terrible scaling
didnt meant to make that a reply oops
i mean the main drawback is dagger is the slot is it not?
dagger is usually a mult per dollar, which is the average for a commom mult scaler. uncommons are either way worse or better
it is
that you need to decide at some point to stop scaling and have to constantly micro the positions
you can have a full joker roster, just not while scaling the dagger
5 joker slots are overrated
painted enjoyer
The discrepancy between bootstraps and spare trousers is pretty wild
generally, blueprint
really?
the difference between both extremes being so crazy is like that for so many categories of jokers, like econ; compare rebate to delgrat, tarot gen; vagabond to superposition
sixth sense to seance...
idol to ancient joker 😭
ya
its a game about synergies and blueprint synergizes with the most stuff
sure, it is, but blueprint is in its own category
imagine if sac knife can proc the eternal
blueprint > rebate > brainstorm
oh wow okay
Blueprint is a copy your best joker, and your best joker changes in each phase of the game, at worst its one more of a joker at best its 4 or more extra jokers that you have
brainstorm this high?
?
that was just a relative comparison
not the top 3
im just saying that blueprint is better than rebate, but rebate is better than brainstorm
gonna be a pedant and say that at worst it's actually a dead slot
because of compatibility
Worse than jimbo 
Seance
Damn bottom 1 joker smh
i dont understand
Bottom 2
True, yorick is bottom 1
Card dieting is a hassle
not even the worst joker if you have 0 discards / burglar smh
that title still goes to showman
Matador
are you just listing jokers
Matador might be genuinely useless to me
Matador is like a super hermit card that gets copied by blueprint
Matador is basically an investment tag
its usecase is very specific money printer
matador rewards checking the boss blind
maybe good for endless but for ante 8 eh not gonna risk it
i would consider taking an eternal To Do List if it was on pair, and I would consider taking an eternal matador if the boss blind triggered matador ex. ox and arm
Cant wait for the rework so matador's effect actually makes sense
oh boy where did i said about "very specific money printer"
"but for ante 8 eh not gonna risk it" i just talked about a usecase within ante 8
Does matador even have a usecase past ante 8
not really
balatro players and reading
unless you like stimulant
Do you also think midas mask is bad because you pick it up, get a ton of value, and sell it after a couple rounds?
nat neg matador is still more useful than like
a majority of nat neg cards at least i think?
post a8
its okay, i like it better if i see it early ante
for endless yeah its definitely better than like ~100 other jokers
Matador hitting a boss is like 24 dollars, thats an investment tag -1 dollar
Well technically you get interest too so its more than tag
and you dont have the opportunity cost of skipping to pay for it
Still why doesnt it work on face downs, hook, or tooth, arbitrary ass rules
passive i suppose, it only procs everytime the knock sound of the boss blind
and if matador able to negate tooth chicot would be a nothingburger card
and facedowns dont do that
if it works on flint it should work on tooth and hook for sure
there should be a more elegant solution
thats why it's being reworked
like intentionally picking facedowns
then it will proc
tho picking facedown per dollar in a face build
we are getting another stimulant boys
flint's effect doesnt mention the poker hand or played hand at all, while hook does
so it's very weird that flint triggers matador but hook doesnt
Flint is also a “mandatory” effect so it doesn’t make sense from a gameplay perspective
There’s no added risk to playing all your hands vs the flint whereas there is some risk to doing so vs the hook
im so bored I could eat a horse rn
yeah I still think that matador should just be triggering any avoidable boss effect
is that not how it is?
or are there exceptions
matador always confuses me
flint always triggers and procs matador, hook doesnt always trigger but it practically does (doesnt if there are no cards left to discard)
How does anyone use this in an actual deck?
avoidable boss effect also seems kind of rough to me
because what does avoidable mean
like you can play lvl 1 hands against the arm so is that avoidable
I’m guessing the checked deck?
technicaly hook is avoidable because with a small hs you can fail to have cards left to discard
it’s used if you want spectral cards, not if you want a straight flush build
Every boss blind is avoidable if you score enough points 
most spectral cards don’t make it easier to play straight flushes
hook is practically unavoidable because you cant reasonably get that to not happen; cutting (handsize - 5) cards in your hand for every hand or getting below 5 handsize
Playing a five card hand with five hand size is crazy work
abandoned is better for it in my experience because youre more likely to draw a straight which you can then use a suit tarot on to make it a straight flush
well you can just play 5 cards regardless, it doesnt have to be a 5 card specific poker hand
I'm stupid
hook + trading card is probably my favourite niche interaction in balatro
though destroying all cards in hand with certificate is a close second
What the wee wee
double inv
I can't take that many wees at once
wait, if you have 5 hand size, and play all 5 cards, does the hook actually "discard"
as in, does it reduce grimbo mult
might take lucky cat instead of the acient joker
i dont believe so, no
yeah i would drop ancient there
lucky is more fun
gulp
ancient isnt as reliable as lucky considering you have hack
at most you'd need to play two hands against vessel
nah white stake
oh true you win regardless
mome tho
mome
ghost sleeve mmm
you have parking, troub and baron right there...
and you already have a negative DNA
you could keep one wee and youd be fine for a8
mhm
ima do it
i fw this so much
L
eyes gotta be one of the roughest boss blinds right
Yeah
for sure
Familiar gotta be one of the most underrated spectrals
Getting it early allows u to start building towards a certain face card from the getgo
And all u need to turn certain faces into a desired other face is a strength (unless ur going for jacks but just strengthen ur 10s)
Ofc im never taking a familiar over an immo but still
i mean
i think its fine
though definitely in the lower half of spectrals
grim is still the best card gen for non hologram needs
consistent single rank is good
the main thing is just that other than hologram its best case is still just like
fine
although i never take them seriously ngl
theyre funny gamble in my head without hologram
ive taken incantation for drivers license alone before
drivers license also makes sense i forgot
i wpuld consider it for drivers licence if desperate
also grim is good if you want to avoid deck bloat because youre only adding one extra card to the deck
I've taken it for vamp 
familiar is also nice bc of face card synergies
that too
but generally i dont see much use in adding random cards i cant choose directly even if i have a synergy
ngl
(by synergy i mean rank synergy(
just over half a gold card EV that’s not terrrrrrrible
yeah generally i prefer grim over familiar and incant outside of holo/vamp/DL
I don't use it for face card synergy but the greater gold card probability
not hologram or vampire or whatever
(it’s not great though)
i mean
the arguably largest one here is midas
oh true i have actually taken incantation for glass joker
i have not seen glass joker in forever
It's so good
bc you aren’t spamming incantation 🗣️
adding glass to deck for deck thinning and also glass joker is a very common reason to take justice for me
Justice is great, it's scoring and deck thinning
if only it wasn't bugged it would have another use case "technically"
what do you take justice over?
lovers 🤢
Everything except Lucky and Gold
Negative giftcard swash is also funna
lemme make a tierlist for this rq
justice is below my emperor line, maybe above my priestess line
Super good
i mean with those two
its like
devil magician death hanged man hermit are all usually picks over justice from packs
which makes it unlikely to happen ine
mmm below steel
prob
Do i activate invis now or should i wait to get a copy joker? also planning to get rebate for econ
ye () didnt read your message my bad
i would
wait for a copy
i mean ive got to
wait since you're not going to use 2 of any of these jokers in the final build for naneinf
its all gut choice tbf
i love this cat
there are no good hits long term
Huh.
get lucky
fin de partida 😞
it copied mime 😒
couldve been worse tho so i dont mind
*generally
I like the suit placements 
judgement and wheel, no gambler mindset
this seed is stacked
i think those two are okay, i just prefer justice over them for most of the game
brain for hack


