🕹・game-discussion

[hasty harness]

also plant when your looking inside

😈

[narrow wadi]

i have a gold sticker on plant just cos when i have a broken build i reroll for a new joker to sticker

i've never had plant give value on gold stake lol

[hasty harness]

lol

[narrow wadi]

without splash it's near impossible, and u shld not be taking splash

[hasty harness]

im just running anaglyph gold stake for negative skips to gold sticker

just got a riffraff shop 1

should be a good run

[hasty harness]

splash buff needed 🙏

[narrow wadi]

ggs, run is won

[hasty harness]

yeah

pretty much lol

[narrow wadi]

it's technically a chips joker so they shld just give it a chips buff to make it usable

[cursive lion]

How

[hasty harness]

yeah id agree

[desert quiver]

Every card played is triggered one additional time.

[narrow wadi]

this is better than my idea tbh, this is also way too strong for a common tho

they'd have to make it rare

it's stronger than sock so has to be ararity higher

[hasty harness]

thats literally just better dusk and sock

[desert quiver]

Limited to (# of cards played) additional triggers max.

[shell current]

Splash is situationally an econ joker

[willow frost]

its also just the best retrigger joker

[narrow wadi]

i agree, i also like ur drink a lot, and in the same way that burglar is an econ joker tbh

but weaker

i pick up burglar for econ quite a lot on gold stake

[twin lantern]

Thats extremely disappointing

[narrow wadi]

first 2/3 maybe would be pretty balanced, would still need to be uncommon with this effect tho

[hasty harness]

welp i win

just give me a negative skip on ante 7

free stickers :p

[unreal elbow]

</3

[narrow wadi]

blue joker burnt joker anti synergy, u gotta reset

u need those +2 chips

[hasty harness]

yeah nvm ur right

[shell current]

Blue joker is always perishable square joker is always eternal

[narrow wadi]

how tf do i completely agree with thi

*this

[hasty harness]

i like swuare tho

square

square is very good imo

[narrow wadi]

i don't tbh it's the worst scaling joker imo

it's so fucking slow

[shell current]

Throwback: exists

[shell dagger]

it’s 4 dollars and common

it’s easy to scale

[wispy hound]

my runs are going insane today bro, anyways do i take the ecto after i sell gem and summit?

[willow frost]

can square joker even be perishable

[shell dagger]

chips scalers are already rare

[narrow wadi]

ok not including like throwback and vampire

[cursive lion]

This seed is cracked I'll give it after the run

[hasty harness]

ngl yeah ecto on after selling but be careful u might die lol

[willow frost]

damn

[hasty harness]

nothing but baron copying is scary

[willow frost]

what about mult scalers

[hasty harness]

mult scalers r way more common

[wispy hound]

ill find something and tbh i can survive off plasma deck for the next ante or 2

js like blue joker would be good

[shell current]

Vampire is like top 5 scaling xmult

[hasty harness]

forgot to look what deck it was

nvm ur chilling

[willow frost]

no i mean which ones can be perishable

[narrow wadi]

hack fibb was my first gold stake win, it took me a while to realise they aren't generally great

[shell dagger]

there’s 2 common chips scalers and like 10 common mult scalers

[hasty harness]

oh

[shell dagger]

ok maybe not 10 but a lot

[hasty harness]

supernova can be perishable

[shell dagger]

any which scale retroactively

[willow frost]

oh ok

[narrow wadi]

huh?????? per tarot pack ur getting a max +0.2% if u get the perfect hands

[shell dagger]

fortune teller, bootstraps, erosion etc

[willow frost]

interesting

[narrow wadi]

and ur losing ur card enhancements

[willow frost]

thunk put some thought into this apparently, amazing

[hasty harness]

whats above vampire in ur opinion

[white zodiac]

that’s not an issue if tarot gen is plenty and scoring is guaranteed to proc

[willow frost]

0.2% jesus

[willow frost]

also wdym vamp scales fine

[narrow wadi]

not asked but hologram is the top 1 xmult scaling joker in gold stake for me

[white zodiac]

vamp is unusually high on my black deck profile for some reason

[narrow wadi]

it's sofast

[shell dagger]

yeah there was like a 2 week period after perishables were introduced where non retroactive scalers could be perishable and it sucked

[willow frost]

rip

[shell dagger]

i think it’s partially the reason why the +10 base on wee and +16 base on square were removed

[hasty harness]

hologram and constellation so good

[narrow wadi]

obviously any scaling xmult is a decent joker but vampire hurts ur deck while being quite slow

[willow frost]

holy crap just remembered what old wee was like lmao

[white zodiac]

vamp doesn’t hurt your deck when you choose the cards you wanna suck the life out of

[narrow wadi]

constellation is obviously fantastic given the scaling condition is helping ur score but i have hologram better given constellation isso much slower

[shell dagger]

old wee was worse bc chad wasn’t as good

[hasty harness]

yeah i agree hologram is better imo

[shell dagger]

type shit

[willow frost]

if your scoring mostly comes from jokers, you dont need enhancements much (other than gold i guess)

[white zodiac]

it turns your inconsistent enhancements into consistent scoring without the need for trigger effects

[shell current]

Ok top 5 is wrong if you include canio and yorick, but like basically only hologram, constellation, and obe. Cat, vamp, glass, and steel are all really close probably in that order

[willow frost]

+20 chips?

[white zodiac]

back when ppl weren’t frothing at the mouth

[willow frost]

twenty goddamn chips?

[shell dagger]

i don’t remember it ever doing that

[narrow wadi]

i agree with this and i think it's still a decent joker cos it's scaling xmult which broken, but in terms of scaling conditions it's the most punishing imo

[white zodiac]

most punishing is throwback

lmao

[narrow wadi]

ok ye lol

i forgot that ngl

[cosmic sun]

idc for retriggering enhancements that much so vamp is based

[narrow wadi]

given it's an auto skip

[white zodiac]

same

[cosmic sun]

unless mime retriggers

to which vamp isn't touching for a while

[shell dagger]

top 5: holo const obelisk yorick canio?

[white zodiac]

gold and steel i’ll keep since i usually place those on cards i hold in hand by default

[shell dagger]

unordered

[white zodiac]

are we including retroactive scaling?

[shell dagger]

what other retroactive xmults are there

[tardy spade]

what if a boss blind made it so chips and mult get added instead of being multiplied?

[shell dagger]

i guess steel

[white zodiac]

proactive yes, retroactive i think campfire comes ahead of obby licks

[willow frost]

THIS

[shell dagger]

true

might put campfire above canio for consistency reasons

[shell current]

Ok I totally just forgot about campfire actually

[white zodiac]

more unconditional technically since it just looks at your money and consumables

[willow frost]

cant tell me thats not the most outrageous shit ever

[white zodiac]

and easier to perform on black deck

[shell current]

I haven’t seen it in too long lol

[narrow wadi]

i never see campfire outside of white stake runs lmao, i love the joker so much cos it's a rly fun scaling condition

[white zodiac]

for my anecdote

i don’t get canio enough to have a personal stance on it

[narrow wadi]

this the same as flash card for me, it never shows up when i want it

[white zodiac]

if it’s gs i still keep canio for being imperishable

[narrow wadi]

it's an x2 mult with one hung man which imo is objectively incredible

[white zodiac]

well unlike campfire, jj is mid

[daring perch]

is wee joker better than superposition here?

[latent egret]

x3*

[narrow wadi]

yes

[white zodiac]

gee i wonder

[daring perch]

gains x2

[narrow wadi]

wait i forgot it's +1 per destroyed given i see it so little

[narrow wadi]

they wre right i misremembered the card

[shell current]

Not really but it’s wee joker so…

[white zodiac]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[daring perch]

thanks mods

[narrow wadi]

that was fast

impressive

[latent egret]

he got the ltg treatment

[narrow wadi]

i hate ur name ngl, i have obelisk as like an s/A+ tier joker but i find playing with it so unfun

[white zodiac]

unfun

[lament crater]

hai

[latent egret]

it is the most fun, the one and almost only break from pair spam

at least it's the right play to play it a lot of the time

[shell current]

Hit the pivot on 8-9 pairs and tell me it isn’t exhilerating

[narrow wadi]

i agree with the second part but i love how fast balatro plays and obelisk makes it slow imo

[white zodiac]

that’s really bold of you

[narrow wadi]

obelisk is one of the cards that makes me think about every hand

like rebate

fantastic jokers that make me think more

which makes me hate them

[valid abyss]

boo

[latent egret]

idk man i just end up spamming pair until i can play high card until the end of the game

[white zodiac]

obby licks scales .8x mult per round that is faster than a lot of other x mults

[shell current]

That’s not my usual obelisk MO but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

[latent egret]

which is brainless, then you have to think for 2-3 rounds as to when you pivot, then brainless again

[narrow wadi]

i have obelisk as a minimum a+ tier joker, i just don't enjoy playing with it

[valid abyss]

im gonna admit ive had a lapse in judgement, obelisk is pretty good

[white zodiac]

fr #🕹・game-discussion message

[white zodiac]

once you set a ceiling for your most played you don’t really have to think about it with unconditional scoring sources #🕹・game-discussion message

[short phoenix]

am i cooked? can i do something?

[shell dagger]

You’re cooked

[white zodiac]

you’re given two rounds of leeway before obby licks grows into x3 territory

[narrow wadi]

the blind is 8000000x the score u have rn

u might be cooked

[shell dagger]

After 32 you should’ve replaced perkeo for parking then skipped to serpent each ante

[idle bear]

Idk, I think it's impressive that I could get so far with just 2 jokers from the start. I think on this seed you can find it in a buffoon pack

[white zodiac]

he broke broke :3

[short phoenix]

why? to have a ton of money for rerolls or there's more tech?

[narrow wadi]

i do agree it's a broken joker dw, in my personal favourite tier list tho it's the bottom because it adds a whole new system to how i play which i find annoying

[shell dagger]

Money for serpent rolling

[white zodiac]

one day it will click

[white zodiac]

pretty much

[narrow wadi]

i hope so, there are very few jokers i find unfun, if they become fun the game becomes peak

[shell dagger]

I’m fairly sure 400 plutos with serpent and 5 blueprints can naneinf

At the very least it could reach ante 39

[white zodiac]

aj is on my list of questionable entertainment

[short phoenix]

so id have to try to reroll for showman and then blueprint?

[shell dagger]

Not needed

You have 5 copy jokers

[narrow wadi]

i'm not sure what aj refers to ngl, pls could u elaborate

[white zodiac]

ancient jorker

[narrow wadi]

oh i 100% agree then lol

[shell current]

If you still have the ability to play a straight flush a cryptid might do it

[white zodiac]

their scoring majority is coming from observatory

[winter pike]

for some reason i doubt they could play a straight flush

[narrow wadi]

tbh tho i find ancient joker fails in being good and being fun, the bottom of my fun tier list is good jokers that i don't enjoy using cos i buy them way more than the former condition

[shell current]

It’s like not a 0% build around if you’re rocking nat negative seance idk

[kindred valley]

I played photochad and all I got was this lousy red deck win

[pale wolf]

its a 0

and what spectral card would help anyways

[shell seal]

Ankh

[hasty harness]

i hope i get another negative skip

[narrow wadi]

probably ecto

[pale wolf]

that does nothing for the imminent death

[shell current]

One cryptid card

[cosmic sun]

society if seance opened a spectral pack

[narrow wadi]

is death imminent (in a pragmatic not teleological way)

[shell current]

Yea

[narrow wadi]

oh

then ye ecto bad lol

[pale wolf]

as in they scored many magnitudes lower than they need to

[narrow wadi]

ecto bad then lol

[white zodiac]

it’s decent but requires me to play and level up flushes so on other decks i just treat it as a straights joker. also almost died to that mf from all the videos i sent and blackboard of all things saved my one of a kind flush run

[fading cobalt]

On plasma is crazy

[pale wolf]

would be silly to have packs in the middle of rounds

sounds fun

[fading cobalt]

Thank you plasma 🙏

[narrow wadi]

i've had so many runs while i was new where i didn't get boss rerolls and a suit boss that killed me, hence that's the main reason i hate ancient joker

[pale wolf]

you should never die to a suit boss with aj, you can just skip

its a misplay not bad luck

[shell current]

Based ancient joker on straights gamer

[narrow wadi]

on any high stake i don't like xmult that procs before the other jokers

[white zodiac]

you can dodge suit blinds with aj not being able to pick the same suit twice in a row. skipping when aj lands on a suit that’s not the boss blind suit

[coarse silo]

Where’s swashbuckler where you need him

[hasty harness]

hes hiding

[narrow wadi]

honetly this just means ur a much better player than i am lol, adding skip consideration to whether i win is too much for my brain to handle

[hasty harness]

i had giftcard as well so each is like 15 dollars lol

[white zodiac]

fair enough, one of them outright sucks, the other one forces me to look at my deck and jupiters, the other one is a 1 in 5 from the 3 in 1000 that i find it in some purple packs

[pale wolf]

boss is head (anti-heart)
if big blind aj is hearts, you play the round, and if it isnt then you skip the round
its that simple

[shell current]

Ancient is good if you are already looking inside but as an ante 1 pickup it’s like a worse wrathful joker that sells for slightly more

[white zodiac]

better is relative to the huge amount of time i’ve sunk into this silly game

[narrow wadi]

i get that dw, like if we both played hollow knight i can beat the game in under 35 minutes every time, but playing a game enough to be a master is a skill imo

so u shld be proud of it

[short phoenix]

oh wait i get you

[white zodiac]

meh i just play to have fun

[short phoenix]

nah it stays at 274ish

[narrow wadi]

this is very healthy, being amazing at the game is just an added bonus

[pale wolf]

i mean

[white zodiac]

it’s a math and probabilities game it tickles my inner calculus/org chem tutor

[pale wolf]

lets not overstate the level of skill/game knowledge you need to know that aj rolling the same suit as the boss is avoidable

its like, a discord message and then you have the hidden knowledge

[white zodiac]

also the game just doesn’t explicitly tell you things

[narrow wadi]

i hate maths lol, my school made me do further maths cos i was rly good at it but the only part i ever liked was imaginary numbers

and integration was ok

[kindred valley]

Do you guys think pareidolia is worth it with the faceless

[white zodiac]

uh no

[kindred valley]

Ten dolar

[pale wolf]

i mean you could kill fist if you want i guess

[long thorn]

9LNQUTKN I got two blueprints instantly on ghost deck, beat gold stake off it lmao

[pale wolf]

more money to scale const seems valid

[heavy heron]

well if this isn't the most boring build

i've ever made

[unreal iron]

okay this is a confusing first shop

[kindred valley]

Also my blue seal is a 3 so fist is realistically giving me +6 mult

[pale wolf]

caboose

[kindred valley]

Not a whole lot

[narrow wadi]

is it, surely it's rtb insta pick?

[balmy ridge]

always bus is it not?

[unreal iron]

black deck

black deck

[shell current]

The real forbidden knowledge is that if you have retcon and then hit heiroglyph in the ante 9 shop you can crimson bean twice back-to-back

[narrow wadi]

doesn't matter imo

it's ride the bus

[white zodiac]

you’re not gonna die if your scoring isn’t coming from your cards so it’s fine

[unreal iron]

true

[narrow wadi]

first shop ride the bus is an auto pickup any deck

[trail pier]

good run so far

[narrow wadi]

even if it's black

[balmy ridge]

all that means is 1 less mult on bus each round, still worth taking over runner

[white zodiac]

idk your mult situation but const takes some money so it’s inoffensive

i just have blind hate

[pale wolf]

you can ante 8 d.cut vessel->heart, then ante 9 (8) heiro d.cut bell ->acorn, then ante 10 (8) petro leaf -> heart
to get it twice in a run without retcon
or 3 times with retcon ofc

[narrow wadi]

is this more or less than deaf hate?

[unreal iron]

yeahhhh now what

spectral into arcana maybe?

[white zodiac]

maybe both

[narrow wadi]

it's black deck so honestly i'm not sure if rental runner is worth it, any other deck i take it ngl

[white zodiac]

objectively this joker scores pretty low on my imaginary list but it gave me money on a couple black deck runs early in some given scenarios

[narrow wadi]

blind and deaf hate is pretty extreme

[unreal iron]

no my question is if i go spectral into arcana or save money

yk what im doing it

[narrow wadi]

imo if it's fun u shld do it

[unreal iron]

😔

[white zodiac]

omg grim time

[shrewd pasture]

I love two pair slop

[white zodiac]

same

[shell current]

Multiplayer brain says arcana into spectral because wraith but yea it’s always spectral first

[shrewd pasture]

beat violet vessel

[pale wolf]

ride the train
+0.1 mult per non-face card scored
resets if a face card scores

[shrewd pasture]

too op

[unreal iron]

OWO

mmmm i loooove castle

[narrow wadi]

this is why i hate on square joker ngl, u beat a run and it's at +60, compared to other scaling jokers it is so fucking slow

[shrewd pasture]

i bought it in ante 8 lmao

just hating for no reason

[pale wolf]

lmfao

[white zodiac]

obby licks but i could take it whenever i want

[narrow wadi]

ok tbf maybe i'm wrong

lol

[shrewd pasture]

if i bought it early it'd be at 200-400

[pale wolf]

if you go thru a whole square game and end up at 60 you need to go to the hospital

[shrewd pasture]

square joker is super strong ngl

[pale wolf]

its not xmult

[cosmic sun]

helps to know how to scale it

[white zodiac]

oh

what is wrong with you

[pale wolf]

ride the train

[winter pike]

i like trains

[narrow wadi]

i think i know how to scale it (i use high card scaling a lot) but it still takes a long time for me

might be a skill issue

[white zodiac]

pairs

squimbo is inoffensive and good

[narrow wadi]

i meant high card to not win in 1 hand

[shrewd pasture]

square joker plus obelisk is so op

literally a free win

[pale wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379214645742796911/1429860845751636060/InShot_20251020_115534378.mp4?ex=6904dc2f&is=69038aaf&hm=019266d3ae18fc325496cdeaffe07fb416ed9afe881428447e1ec63fd5c6073e&

120 square still smol

but it was foil so i had issues overscoring

[shell current]

Foil abstract joker plus obelisk is OP

[white zodiac]

fwp

[shrewd pasture]

not really

for obelisk all i need is chips and plus mult

so the main issue is usually chips

because there are so many +mult jokers

[pale wolf]

foil abstract joker is both?

[shrewd pasture]

+15 is nothing

[pale wolf]

its plenty

[shrewd pasture]

I'd want like a green joker

[white zodiac]

I can live with 15

[shrewd pasture]

or ride the bus

or red card

I'm also greedy

[narrow wadi]

before this run i though hologram was awful lol (had to go back a long time for this ss), since this run i have it in like my top 10 jokers

[shrewd pasture]

hologram is top 5 gold stake joker

[pale wolf]

obelisk doesnt need a huge base scoring esp if you have both mult and chips in 1 joker

[narrow wadi]

fr

[tranquil otter]

high card is already flamin ion even gotta play a hand

[white zodiac]

speak of the freaking devil

[pale wolf]

+50 +15 is more than enough and prob will have overscoring issues while stacking obelisk if anything

[shrewd pasture]

obelisk scales super quick anyways

[narrow wadi]

i think this is an occasion where i have a skill issue cos i struggle to get square that high on gold stake

[white zodiac]

I'll still rather have something to deal with vv than not

[shrewd pasture]

my most winning jokers are probably card sharp and hologram

[opal violet]

guys, i have a question about joker "Obelisk"... If I have 2 most played hands and I play one of that, will it give me x0,2 or not?

[white zodiac]

it usually comes down to playing pairs and having a mult scaler to do both

[white zodiac]

playing either will crash your obby

[unreal iron]

god fucking damn it black deck sucks so much i hate black deck

[narrow wadi]

i do this ngl i still struggle to go over +120 chips with square, i'm sure in time i'll be able to do this

[unreal iron]

theres also a rental halfsies in the 1st shop

[white zodiac]

120 chips is decent

[opal violet]

thanks man

[white zodiac]

that's like 4 odd todd hits

[narrow wadi]

true tbf

[tranquil otter]

deadass i think this is the third soul this run

[shell current]

Like 60% of the gold stake skill diff is knowing what doodoo perishables and eternals you have to take in the first 3 antes to survive/set up and being comfortable playing down a joker slot

[tranquil otter]

not even in endless LMFAOO

i didnt take the last one but maybe ill take this one

dont really care for any other legendaries is the thing

[white zodiac]

chip and chip scaling jokers are immune to flint needle and eye, planets on the other hand

[tranquil otter]

surely i sell perkeo and soul gives me negative perkeo

its canio

[heady spoke]

This was an insane round

[shell current]

Shortcut my beloved

[bleak blaze]

Chicot haters in shambles

[unreal iron]

shortcut found dead in the bronx

genuienly black deck is miserable

[bleak blaze]

Black Deck GS took years off my life

[jagged valve]

This is about to be my weirdest win

[shell current]

Riff raff and burglar are like the 2 free win jokers for gs black

[bleak blaze]

We love goofy ass runs

[shell current]

Pants is pretty high up there too

[bleak blaze]

This was some bs I pulled off

[jagged valve]

Any high card can win 100k chips this is insane

Not that insane but for such an unplanned run it is

[unreal iron]

well im doing plasma

at least its better than black

[bleak blaze]

Loyalty card would make that build nuts tbh

[unreal iron]

fuck black deck

[jagged valve]

I'll look for it

[jagged valve]

Dang

[bleak blaze]

Bc if you have 6 hands from.burgalar thats a guaranteed 4X

[white zodiac]

black deck portfolio so far

[jagged valve]

That banner + green joker

[bleak blaze]

It was observatory that carried tbh, the planet scaling was crucial

[bleak blaze]

MOON

Hes shooting it

[jagged valve]

I see

Stencil big too

[white zodiac]

also more uranuses than mercury

[shell current]

Based vamp over constie

[white zodiac]

const nowhere to be found

[bleak blaze]

Vampire over Constellation is a diabolical take

[white zodiac]

vamp is cheaper to work with tbf

also idk how that happened

[shell current]

Vamp is especially good with 2-pair

[jagged valve]

Do I do itttt

[shell current]

The dopamine hit going into a round with a heirophant and an empress

[bleak blaze]

Or with Midas Mask

🔥

[jagged valve]

Blueprint why arent u negativeee

[white zodiac]

which is coincidentally my main hand type atm

[shell current]

Over ramen for sure

[jagged valve]

This joker deck relies on eachother

[willow frost]

just sell ramen

[jagged valve]

Im still at 2X with ramen because of burglar

[white zodiac]

I passed on a midas mask with my last vamp run

iirc

mostly cause I didn't need it lol

[shell current]

Blueprint on the burglar is also money because you find your gold cards more often

[unreal island]

Gg my fwends

First gold stake win!!!!

🥹

[willow frost]

what does dn mean

[unreal island]

Deez nuts

Gotem

[willow frost]

ending my fucking life rn

[unreal island]

Bro

Why do i want to take the baron

Knowing full well it will kill me

Fuck it

[shell dagger]

If you die in white stake blue deck it’s not cos of the ante 1 baron

[fading dome]

casual way to say "skill issue"

[willow frost]

can i get a true

[signal frigate]

That's gonna be a journey

If you manage to not die because fuck Baron

[balmy ridge]

with vampire, are enhancements triggered before or after he sucks them off?

[floral mural]

its white stake blue deck

[signal frigate]

It doesn't get triggered

Only in hand effects are triggered

[balmy ridge]

ok so before?

[signal frigate]

Yeah pretty much

He removes the effects

So they're not really useful

Really good with golden ticket and midas though

Consistent mult and money

Just make sure to support it because Vampire is rather slow before it reaches its peak

[floral mural]

also make sure midas is second after vampire

not before

:3

the slight scaling loss is far outdone by the money gain you gain using midas mask

[signal frigate]

Xmult is still xmult so even if Vampire has a slow start, it'll eventually carry you

[floral mural]

unless its throwback which has the times its remotely usable be once in 400 runs

throwback sucks no one will convince me otherwise

[cloud sinew]

BALATRO

time to play some zodiac

[white zodiac]

if you wanna know order of operations, mask will add enhancements before vamp sucks them and vice versa if there are existing enhancements. stone face cards will reset bus if you place bus to the right of vamp as it counts as a scoring card post suck. bus will not crash if placed to left of vamp

yay

[signal frigate]

I've been preaching for it's "usefulness" since I've gotten good at the game, I hate that thing

[cosmic sun]

Seance sticker 🙏

[white zodiac]

more black

yay

[unreal iron]

#🕹・game-discussion message

throwback run i did yesterday

it just kinda got a silly x2.5

[shell dagger]

it’s time to sticker you obelisk

[white zodiac]

also yesterday

[tranquil otter]

which two planets we pickin team

[shell dagger]

a shame swash will likely have to stay

[shell dagger]

Skip for red card

[floral mural]

the skip button

[tranquil otter]

TRUE

[shell current]

It’s not the worst because if you had an ante 1 economy tag then it’s a 1.25x vs bloodstone without oops! Which is only a 1x

[white zodiac]

skip for fool value

[signal frigate]

Bloodstone's partner makes up for it's annoying usage

[floral mural]

barely a polychrome most runs isnt the signs youre a worthy joker tho imo

[signal frigate]

Throwback is just kicking yourself in the face for trying to gain mult you would've gained with less effort and more with other jokers

[trail pier]

didnt find the boss reroll voucher rip good run tho

[floral mural]

like other scaling jokers work because they do in fact scale in a functional way that you can play around

[signal frigate]

I don't see how skipping an entire shop and round money is worth the mult

[floral mural]

before some misinformed person comes up yes obelisk scales good

you can plan around it

[signal frigate]

Obelisk is really good actually

[cloud sinew]

zodiac streak of 1 😭 hopefully i dont ruin this

[shell current]

It’s bottom 10 easily but not bottom 1

[white zodiac]

rare scenarios for obby licks or madness or too many x mults or win more scenarios

[signal frigate]

It just takes one braincell to play around it

[floral mural]

whats the plan with throwback? hoping death doesnt claim you

[white zodiac]

sticker it asap and pretend it doesn't exist

[floral mural]

doing something is infact better than doing nothing (idol and seance)

[signal frigate]

Fuckin hit the road jack is better than this piece of shit, what do you mean?

[trail pier]

throwback is one of my least favourite jokers i think the only time ive ever bought it was to get the gold sticker

[signal frigate]

We're comparing xmult jokers aren't we?

[white zodiac]

scaling x mult

[pulsar oar]

For hit the road at least you can deckfix to make it more consistent, you can't do much for throwback

[hasty harness]

we're pairing it so good rn

[trail pier]

hit the road sucks but at least it doesn't do literally nothing in most runs like throwback

[pulsar oar]

Skip more ig, but that's actively hurtful, especially on higher stakes due to the increased blind slacing

[floral mural]

throwbacks gameplan actively sabotages your run. every other scaling xmult has a way to plan around them

even baron

[signal frigate]

I'll consider Throwback the bottom of the barrel scaling xmult, it's so punishing for such a little benefit

[shell current]

People get idol wrong all the time, it’s like a justice card that you sell your econ joker for going into the violet vessel

[floral mural]

even if it doesnt scale

[trail pier]

baron is good but only if you already have your deck set up for it

[shell current]

Oh for scaling xmult for sure

[signal frigate]

You kinda need some other support, a good +mult will keep a Baron run going until you have it's trump cards ready

[white zodiac]

im not long for this convo

[floral mural]

sorry for not appreciating.....the least consistent joker in the game that never does anything

[pulsar oar]

Seance's issue is that even if it DOES work, the spectrals barely help your run at that point

[floral mural]

idol might hit the card you wanna use on vessel is not an arguement in favour of idol

[signal frigate]

I appreciate it's usage in endless runs, other than that, I hate looking at my deck with only 2 cards that aren't the one I want Idol to hit then it hits it anyways

[kindred tiger]

Y’all

[trail pier]

i only ever use idol on endless i dont like it otherwise

[pulsar oar]

They're either:

• A: Not helpful to deckfix because you're already hitting straight flushes consistently
• B: Actively bloating/unfixing your deck
• C: Being inconsistent

[signal frigate]

Sixth Sense exists, I wouldn't mind Thunk replacing Seance with a new joker

[floral mural]

i dont do endless much but idol is more fun than baron mime

[kindred tiger]

I’m playing ALEEB seed (I might be fucked, I don’t have director’s cut) - do I swap something for Mime?

[shell current]

It doesn’t matter what idol hits, you carry a suit changer and a death or justice in and you get x2-x8 on your base mult

[signal frigate]

I do agree on that one, deckfixing HARD is actually kinda fun

[signal frigate]

The thing about Idol is, if it hits the wrong card ONCE, it's over

[pulsar oar]

See, sixth sense does it MUCH better, deckfixes and works pretty early which is where you wanna use spectrals the most

[signal frigate]

You can't play around that

[kindred tiger]

Deck ftr

[white zodiac]

of course why didn't I think of that

[signal frigate]

You just fucking die

[floral mural]

if i have a justice in tow why am i worrying about idol

a glorified justice card with gambling attached

[signal frigate]

Also, how would glass help?

Goodluck fixing 52 cards in 8 antes man

[cloud sinew]

its so over

zodiac streak of 1 was lost

[floral mural]

if a joker needs rube goldberg machines to do anything consistently its not good

[white zodiac]

no

[kindred tiger]

Guys plz advice very appreciated ;-;

[white zodiac]

that was the streak winning run

[pulsar oar]

Deckfixing or a failsafe if you rely on idol + retriggers

[signal frigate]

The definition of fun but not good

[pulsar oar]

Not defending idol for ante 8 runs, it sucks hard, but a glass can help

[kindred tiger]

Well nevermind I had a brain fart and cycled the shop

[signal frigate]

I think I'd rather use glass for a different build, not Idol but yeah fair

I'm talking alot of shit for someone forcing idol runs for no reason

[shrewd pasture]

ankh and abstract showed up in ante 1

[signal frigate]

You need ALOT of work for idol to go online

[pulsar oar]

You can't force any runs period

[shrewd pasture]

gold stake slop is beautiful

[pulsar oar]

You work with what you get

[signal frigate]

Trading card, a shitton of money and a consistent way to get tarots

[shrewd pasture]

i force pair runs 24/7

[shell current]

Idol is never a build around or something that you pick up and carry with you but it is something that you can set up for like once in ante 8 that ends up being worth the squeeze on an otherwise lost run

[signal frigate]

You absolutely can, it's just not guaranteed

[trail pier]

am i the only one who thinks 'forcing' runs is extremely unfun

[white zodiac]

considering that it's suboptimal no

[signal frigate]

I feel like stuff like Steel Joker is better suited for that

[shrewd pasture]

I haven't had a retrigger run on gold stake in so long

[pulsar oar]

Well, yeah, you can make runs lean a certain way, I was talking about always guranteeing a certain type of run, should've clarified that

[signal frigate]

The pay off is the fun part

But the process isn't

[shell current]

Every perkeo seed can naneinf

[signal frigate]

You're miserable the entire time until you get what you want

That's kinda the point of forcing runs

[shrewd pasture]

with no observatory and early retcon?

[hasty harness]

easiest win ever im literally pair level 50 at ante 6 😭

[signal frigate]

It feels great when it pays off, feels absolutely terrible when you're in the process of bashing your skull in the wall

[shrewd pasture]

peak gold stake slop

[shell current]

I actively play into steel joker because it’s actually good lmao

[pulsar oar]

Why do people like pair so much anyways never had a good run where I played mostly pairs

[scenic mortar]

Im a genius at making polls

[signal frigate]

Fun way to make a poll.

[shrewd pasture]

it's the most modular build

[signal frigate]

It's extremely versatile

[shrewd pasture]

and very reliable

[white zodiac]

it yields the most frequent successful runs

[shell current]

Like I’m taking the early chariot over an emperor and the random steel 7 in the standard pack

[hasty harness]

pairs just the easiest way to win gold stake

[signal frigate]

Allows for so much room for different builds and highly spammable

[hasty harness]

simple as that

[shrewd pasture]

you'll almost never dead hand with pairs too

[pulsar oar]

Eh, tbh I shouldn't be talking, I only have won gold stake twice

[shrewd pasture]

probably

[hasty harness]

yeah no offense but no wonder why

[signal frigate]

You can easily draw into it and safely use steels and glass compared to five card hands

[shrewd pasture]

embrace pairs and you'll win more

[scenic mortar]

Heads i play green deck

[pulsar oar]

I'm a sucker for straight builds but I can kind of see the vision? You can draw a pair like 100% of the time

[signal frigate]

Also, since it scores low, it allows scaling jokers to scale more

[scenic mortar]

Anaglyph time

[glad sequoia]

Successful straight build

[signal frigate]

Green Joker LOVES a pair run

Aswell as Shoot the moon

[pulsar oar]

Me when I play the game for fun and not to be an absolute master at it

[shrewd pasture]

supernova ❤️

[hasty harness]

yeah no its fine lol i was just kidding

[signal frigate]

You can still have fun while playing the most difficult gamemode

[shrewd pasture]

gold stake is fun though just a different kind

[signal frigate]

That's how I find fun in Balatro

[pulsar oar]

I still have LOTS to learn tho

[shell dagger]

survival reroll of doom and despair

[shell current]

I played straights for like most of C+ because saturn card go brrr but blue stake sux

[signal frigate]

Basically, you just focus on getting Pair leveled up really fast and grab a bunch of blue seals

Blue seals skyrockets your scoring if you have plenty of them

[pulsar oar]

No I try to do that it's just that I don't have nearly as much experience as other people so certain opinions of mine might be... Less popular, to put it some way

[hasty harness]

blue stake really hinders hard to draw hands 😔

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[hasty harness]

happy its getting a rework

[glad sequoia]

Me too

[signal frigate]

It hating Bloodstone is funny

[winter pike]

numero 846

[pulsar oar]

Ooohhhh right, never actually thought of using many on hand type effects

[shell current]

That’s nuts with 8 hand size and a 52 card deck… did you find both hand and discard vouchers?

[strong cedar]

Mr Bones my beloved

[shrewd pasture]

I love bloodstone

I've never lost because of bloodstone rng

[signal frigate]

Exactly, again, it allows you to have so many room for in hand effects and other builds

[strong cedar]

Saves me from the dreaded VV on plasma

[signal frigate]

It's a very versatile hand

[shrewd pasture]

y'all just aren't worthy

[pulsar oar]

Holy I start to see it now

[signal frigate]

Scales faster than High Card obviously so you're not falling off

[trail pier]

Yea pairs are really good

[glad sequoia]

Only grabber and several deaths, hanged man's completely illuded me lmao

[pulsar oar]

Might try using pairs more for my next deck I get on gold stake

[signal frigate]

Stuff like blackboard also makes this hand run wild

[hasty harness]

for example if u play pairs and black board u can play ur pair and use the other 3 free card spots to get rid of the red suits and get ur black board online

[signal frigate]

You can easily play around suit in hand effects

[scenic mortar]

Great

[trail pier]

Like 95% of my builds start as pair builds

[shrewd pasture]

gold stake is a pretty simple formula tbh

[hasty harness]

black deck gold stake hits different though

[signal frigate]

That's why I think it's one of the best kind of difficulty I've seen in any game

[shrewd pasture]

just get scaling +mult and find some form of x mult

[signal frigate]

It's not just "Oh, bigger numbers to beat"

[shrewd pasture]

and a decent bit of chips

[shrewd pasture]

i hate black deck

[trail pier]

The only time I don't start on pairs is if I find something ante 1 that gives me a different direction to build towards

[signal frigate]

It actually adds unique and interesting twists to make your runs more challenging

[shrewd pasture]

literally just rng

[white zodiac]

there’s some skill to it

[shrewd pasture]

i still hate the -1 discard

[signal frigate]

Fuck Blue Stake though

[serene forge]

me when i lie

[hasty harness]

i love black deck gold stake first shop i open i get eternal rental astronomer and eternal rental trubidor 🤑

[signal frigate]

Blue Stake kinda just says "Fuck you."

[trail pier]

Blue stake is the worst part of the game for me

[shrewd pasture]

it's true

[signal frigate]

You're rarely gonna get vouchers to reverse it's effects

[serene forge]

then don't complain about black deck "rng"

[signal frigate]

God forbid, I wanna get the hand I want

[shrewd pasture]

bloodstone is an optional joker

[pulsar oar]

Blue stake is painfully unfun

[shrewd pasture]

black deck is a deck

[signal frigate]

ONE DISCARD in Black Deck btw

[shell current]

1.1 is going to make black deck relatively way better

[serene forge]

an optional one

[pulsar oar]

Makes 5 card hands so much harder to work towards at the start

[trail pier]

I beat black deck gold stake once and I never want to go back again

[signal frigate]

Hey, pairs are king.

[shrewd pasture]

dumb argument imo

[serene forge]

not really

[pulsar oar]

Won't deny it, but straights have a special spot in my heart

[random ice]

Hey I think the pillar is bugged

That gold king should be disabled

[signal frigate]

Straights and flushes are optimal for oneshotting early antes though

[shell current]

Blue stake change and blue seal nerf are both basically guaranteed and shift the meta away from pairs a little bit

[shrewd pasture]

tbh if i see it as a challenge deck it's fine

[signal frigate]

You don't wanna use pairs in round 1 unless you got the jokers for it very early

[random ice]

3oak it is

[serene forge]

you played a not gold king, then midas transformed it into gold which counts as a new card

[white zodiac]

all jokers are, its strength is evaluated by the value you reap when encountering it in the shot and using it throughout the run

[winter pike]

no the non gold king was played and midas turned it gold, resetting it

[pulsar oar]

Nono, I know, problem is they fall off FAST blue stake+

[shell dagger]

You played the naked king, it turned gold after you played it

[signal frigate]

Actually, Straights are pretty fuckin strong in their own right

[pulsar oar]

Blue seals are getting nerfed?

[signal frigate]

They have the third highest scaling planet

[shell dagger]

It’s like how using an enhance tarot on it disables the debuff

[serene forge]

maybe

blue seals are very very very good

idk how you would nerf them though

[signal frigate]

I'm not gonna count Flush House

[shell dagger]

Speculation

[signal frigate]

They don't need to imo

[shell dagger]

They aren’t confirmed to be getting nerfed

[signal frigate]

They're fine the way they are

Good

[trail pier]

Straights are my least favorite hand to build towards personally I just find it annoying

[signal frigate]

It should stay that way

[shell dagger]

Blue stake change is guaranteed though

[white zodiac]

if it said “scored” it would be a bug
or misinformation

[pulsar oar]

They seem fine as they are, sure, they're probably the strongest of the 4, but that doesn't mean they're unbalanced

[north schooner]

Gold Stake Discord Challenge (impossible)

[signal frigate]

It's a very optimal hand to play in Jokerless

[pale wolf]

just make them affected by card blocking

[shrewd pasture]

i think it can be strong in a run that suits it

[signal frigate]

Well I also like two pair and high card so

[pulsar oar]

They work often but once you can't draw one the run is fucking over

[shell dagger]

Every joker can

[white zodiac]

logic applies to all jokers this is a nothing statement

[signal frigate]

You can predict your odds correctly

[random ice]

I didn't even know that Interaction

That's actually crazy

[signal frigate]

It gets easier the more you get used to this

[pale wolf]

is vampire sucking a card a new card too

[trail pier]

Yea I didn't say they were bad I just don't really like building around them

[signal frigate]

Cull duplicates, cull either the lower or higher ends

[random ice]

Like wtf why does Midas Work interact like that

[white zodiac]

bloodstones inconsistency doesn’t go along very well in an argument where consistency is preferred in a roguelike

[serene forge]

it's not midas exclusive

enhancing a card just does that

[pale wolf]

I mean it's consistent with other enhancement tarots

[pulsar oar]

It's... Still odds, sure, I know that I need to draw X card(s) from my deck, but that doesn't guarantee I get them

[serene forge]

im not sure if it applies to seals and stuff though

probably not

[white zodiac]

because you’re playing the naked card which was different before it actually scored as a gold card

[shell current]

Me when the bottom 8 cards of my deck are all 5’s and 10’s

[pale wolf]

cards are played, then scored, and if they change to a different card in between then the second card was never actually played even though it's scoring

[signal frigate]

You have the power to turn the odds on your side

[pale wolf]

I'm sure there's exceptions to this with some Joker wording though

[north schooner]

oh no worries I am just as guilty

[shell dagger]

Shortcut in the judgement

[white zodiac]

same applies to vampire

[pulsar oar]

To a degree, yes

[pale wolf]

is there proof

it makes sense but I've never actually seen it

[serene forge]

I hate Four Fingers

[signal frigate]

Again, cull duplicates and cut down from either lower or higher end, whichever one your setup demands

[pulsar oar]

I love four fingers

[signal frigate]

Or you can just go easy mode and get shortcut for some reason

[pale wolf]

well, at least I've never seen it while being aware of the interaction and looking for it

[pulsar oar]

Honse

🐴

[shell dagger]

If I have vamp I don’t care about pillar tbh

[white zodiac]

no lol
just waiting on @cloud sinew to prove me wrong again cause i don’t actively care for pillar interactions

[shell dagger]

So I wouldn’t have noticed it

[signal frigate]

Although, Runner is an excellent chip joker actually

[pale wolf]

The interaction or the Joker

i see

[pulsar oar]

+15 chips per hand is crazy scaling if you get him online

[trail pier]

Runner is the one joker that will make me do a straight build lmao

[random ice]

Now this is fun lmao

[signal frigate]

It doesn't even have to activate on a straight

[north schooner]

Only works with enhancements though. Suit changers don't work (even though they're even more of a different card??) and editions from Aura do not work either

[pale wolf]

I mean that is pretty busted but I don't think that's the general use case for runner, it's more like +15 a round

[white zodiac]

except it’s a pair joker

[signal frigate]

You can just use it as early chips and then go hogwild with whatever fuckin hand you want

[trail pier]

Yea

[white zodiac]

for your future obby licks run

[signal frigate]

It's jokingly referred to as a Pair Joker

[north schooner]

Runner is a pair joker

[signal frigate]

Though, it's not really a joke

Because it's true

[pulsar oar]

Every time I see him I build towards straights, but yeah he can work for other builds too as an alt way to scale chips

[north schooner]

jinx

[signal frigate]

Wee is still my favorite

[white zodiac]

can’t wait for the next update where runner becomes a 3oak joker

[random ice]

What the fuck is this run

[signal frigate]

But Wee is a rare joker so it's not always I get to build around it

[pale wolf]

The straights don't really need the chips from runner because of Saturn, so if you can consistently play the straights then oftentimes it's better to just get rid of runner anyways for xmult

[white zodiac]

back streets

[trail pier]

I like square joker

[pulsar oar]

Never actually looked at it that way

[serene forge]

runner is a pair jonkler

[signal frigate]

Saturn is an absurdly strong planet

[pulsar oar]

Great point

[serene forge]

spare trousers is a pair jonkler

[signal frigate]

This is why I said Straight is one of the faster scaling planets

[serene forge]

square jonkler is a pair jonkler

[white zodiac]

aj is a straights joker

[signal frigate]

It has a frankly ridiculously high chip scaling

[pale wolf]

spare trousers is weird cuz it works so well with a two pair build
it just works even better with pairs

[pulsar oar]

To be fair it's also on the harder side of hands to make

[north schooner]

Well, you've got crazy econ, so you're going to be able to see more of the shop and get better stuff

[signal frigate]

But it's one of the best hands to build towards in Jokerless

[summer jay]

My first win is with spare trousers

[cosmic sun]

Clever Joker sticker

[white zodiac]

i have more uranuses played than mercuries on black given the absence of pants

[serene forge]

"hey levy how many chips per dollar does bull give you"

[pale wolf]

spare trousers would be top 5 if it was common

[shell current]

Runner is nice early game because the straight can one shot and save you a few bucks on hands without costing the scaling

[pulsar oar]

Never seriously played jokerless, I'm way too bad for it

[reef forum]

guys what deck is easiest to beat purple + orange stake on

[north schooner]

this is a take

[serene forge]

yellow

[trail pier]

Clever joker carried

[signal frigate]

It's easier than you think since it's white stake, Blue Seals just invalidates the challenge lmfao

[serene forge]

i want to do straight flus aj sometime

[white zodiac]

makes sense with saturn scaling and the suits being likely to hit at least one card

[shell current]

Blue
yellow if you are bad at money management

[signal frigate]

With blue seals, you just print levels so much, you oneshot the final ante with your levels alone

[pulsar oar]

I barely pulled spectral packs while playing it 💔

[signal frigate]

Standard packs can have them

[summer jay]

Hey jackenstein, what do you say when trying something new?
"YO LO "

[white zodiac]

abandoned if you wanna go silly

[signal frigate]

I did several runs on Jokerless and nearly all of them, I bombarded with as many blue seals as possible

[pulsar oar]

I open those too, I think I just have super bad luck or something because I never pulled one

[signal frigate]

With varying results

It's actually quite fun

Blue and purple are the best seals

Either one of them, you kinda want printed alot

[north schooner]

I mean, I kinda get it but x7.6 (with no enhancements or retriggers) probably makes flushes out scale straights.

[white zodiac]

too bad flushes stink

[signal frigate]

Their jokers are decent enough

[shell current]

Drawing a specific suited flush is harder than drawing a straight

[tranquil otter]

CLUTCHADOR!!!!!!!!!!

[signal frigate]

AJ is a pretty strong flush joker

[north schooner]

Is flowerpot a straight joker? Seems like it be hard to hit both the straight and the pot

[unreal elbow]

Hohohooohoho......

[tranquil otter]

MY GOAT<3333

[signal frigate]

Splash.

Also Wild Cards enable it

[white zodiac]

can be a straight, a 2 2oak, or a high card joker

[north schooner]

Yeah but without splash

[tranquil otter]

high card wild card should activate flower pot

[white zodiac]

and disable it for those who nose

[signal frigate]

You can just get it running with Wild Cards

[shell current]

Flower pot is a Bad joker

[random ice]

Lmao

[summer jay]

Evil egg be like
-3 dollars sell value every round

[pulsar oar]

By the way they're worded, shouldn't it technically do? I know it doesn't, but still

[signal frigate]

It's a strong joker but it's downside is incredibly punishing

[north schooner]

Flowerpot really only seems viable with wildcards, except then it's not viable because suit bosses kill you

[tranquil otter]

Loadsamoney!

[white zodiac]

after they fix the bug sure

[tranquil otter]

midas mask my goat

[shell current]

I forget if smeared lets you play flowerpot pairs

[pulsar oar]

One thing I hate about wild cards is how they get debuffed by any suit debuffing boss BUT they also stop working as wild cards

[signal frigate]

I so badly want Wild Cards to be viable

[white zodiac]

while also being bugged

[north schooner]

A wild card will count for one (1) suit that you're missing. 4 wild cards will proc it.

[signal frigate]

I've been spoiled by Neato Jokers

[shell current]

I’ll give it to flowerpot on painted deck ig

[white zodiac]

youre required to play 4 scoring cards of unique suits

[north schooner]

Except if your wildcard is disabled, it won't count for any suit, not even its base.

[pulsar oar]

I know that's how it works, but I'm talking about the wording of both flowerpot and wild cards

[signal frigate]

It's a flawed joker for sure but that's probably the fault of Wild Cards being buggy as fuck

[random ice]

Very spicy king

[pulsar oar]

...Which sould make it so that it won't get debuffed in the first place

If it's the base one? Sure, but for the rest it doesn't make sense

[white zodiac]

and current meta being restricted to one to three hand types

[north schooner]

Well, I think a disabled wild club will still proc Seeing Double, but not flowerpot

[shell current]

Smeared lets you play high card with seeing double but ig that has more to do with how seeing double is coded

[white zodiac]

it doesn’t

both have to “score”

[tranquil otter]

rebate pivot xdd

[pulsar oar]

Wild cards always take the worse outcome of the "debuffing paradoxes" as I like to call them, which completely kills their viability

[summer jay]

Persona 4 teddie every time he's in the same room as a female character:

[coral summit]

I’ve come to rate the characters of Vampire Survivors: Ante Chamber.

4. Chicot. Doesn’t have the survivability to do much, and Gros Michel is too weak for too long. Cavendish is fine, but I’d the weakest of the Balatro evolutions.

5. Jimbo. His own survivability is questionable, and he doesn’t really do much outside of lean into the new Survarot mechanic SUPER hard. NaneInferno is RIDICULOUSLY busted, though, you just can’t AFK it.

6. Perkeo. Good at doing his job. The Planets are weak for a while, but Negative Space becomes a super powerful evolution.

7. Canio! Super strong, and Fibonacci Spritz goes crazy. Royal Flush is specifically designed to retrigger your other Weapons, so things that weren’t possible even within the confines of the game are possible now.

[tranquil otter]

one roll later r we deadass

[white zodiac]

flower pot is playing hands “contain”
seeing double is playing hands “scored”

[pale wolf]

incorrect, flower pot says poker hand

which is slightly different

[white zodiac]

grr

[north schooner]

Ok if not Seeing Double, then Blackboard procs if you have disabled clubs/spades in your hand, and doesn't proc if you have disabled hearts or diamonds.

[white zodiac]

your hand contains suits other than spades or clubs

they don’t have to be debuff immune to deactivate bb

[pale wolf]

blackboard doesn't care about what you play

[north schooner]

stone card has no suit and blocks blackboard, but disabled clubs don't?

[pale wolf]

disabled clubs are clubs

[shell current]

You can still play a flush with debuffed cards so they clearly retain their suit information

[white zodiac]

stone card is not a spade or a club

[north schooner]

oh, it's the "scored" part, not the "club" part

[pale wolf]

for what

[north schooner]

seeing double, for instance

it's not that it's not a club, it's that it's not scored

[white zodiac]

yeah that’s why i quote marked it

[pale wolf]

yeaa

like rtb

[north schooner]

flowerpot is still weirdly inconsistent

[tranquil otter]

holy goated roll

[random ice]

Imo this is fullskip territory

[white zodiac]

well flower pot is bugged with a wild card interaction for card debuff bosses so

[tranquil otter]

+5 hc levels

[white zodiac]

can’t help it

[north schooner]

Will a disabled wild heart block blackboard?

[white zodiac]

yeah

[tranquil otter]

literally the max win

[white zodiac]

it looks at the initial suit

[north schooner]

why?

[shell dagger]

For sure

Kinda hard to lose with x1.5^14 mult

Just draw the flush

[white zodiac]

because a debuffed wild still retains the initial suit when you play a flush hand

[tranquil otter]

holy rebate pilled

[random ice]

Lmao

[white zodiac]

debuffed wilds don’t count for other suits

[tranquil otter]

got the duo together

[north schooner]

Let me be more specific.

If a wild heart is disabled by The Club, should it block blackboard?

If it's a club it shouldn't, but if it's not a club it shouldn't be disabled

[coarse silo]

I don’t have words

[pale wolf]

disabled wilds count as their base suit for everything except flowerpot

[white zodiac]

debuffed black suit wilds don’t disable bb, debuffed red suit wilds do

yeah

[pale grotto]

Goated egg

[tranquil otter]

invisigoat hits bp first try as usual <3

[tranquil otter]

deadass all 3 invis used this run have hit max win

[random ice]

This is a batshit crazy run

[north schooner]

I honestly think flowerpot would be viable if this was fixed

[white zodiac]

it needs more work

than that

[tranquil otter]

buh he wants to run it for #4

[north schooner]

because then you're not severely punished for building wild cards

[tranquil otter]

too bad i dont have mf antimatter yet cause this fuck ass tarot merchant voucher shows up every god damn ante

[shell current]

Wild card buff in general helps flowerpot

[tranquil otter]

ive seen his ass like 5 times this run bro

[random ice]

Bye bye burglar

[white zodiac]

consistency is extremely dependent on card draw for the x3 proc

[tranquil otter]

the voucher setup is so mid and its all tarot merchant fault man

[white zodiac]

compared to something like blackboard

[north schooner]

Yes, but like AJ, you can cut evenly and add a few wilds

[tranquil otter]

the one run i wanna see some planet merchant action is the one run it never shows up

[random ice]

Absolutely busted run

[white zodiac]

i don’t like aj for this specific reason

[shell current]

If lovers hit 2 cards AND they couldn’t be debuffed then my opionion on flowerpot, ancient, flushes in general would be swayed pretty significantly

[random ice]

Got a Perishable AJ ante 5 and skipped everything

Used Golden Ticket to get obscene econ

[north schooner]

nah AJ is great even without wilds

[random ice]

AJ is great

Like AJ is just a run solver sometimes

[north schooner]

AJ also has way more upside than flowerpot

[white zodiac]

aj is decent scoring at the risk of dying to a fail from hitting your specific flush and boss blinds that hinder card draw

it’s painfully decent

[random ice]

Get more Handsize, don't take Ecto

Take wilds

[random ice]

Even with Hanging Chad it works without flushes

It's very strong

[white zodiac]

not every run rewards you with what you want

[random ice]

It does if you get the econ

[shell current]

AJ is basically only good if you already have retriggers or a high hand base mult. As an early build around it’s almost as much of a trap as baron

[white zodiac]

the if debate again

[north schooner]

The benefit of AJ is its determinism, so you can avoid aliasing with the suit bosses. That means it's only vulnerable to draw/discard bosses

[random ice]

You should be taking Econ every run basically

Like, money solves all problems in balatro

[shell current]

Sells for an extra dollar

[random ice]

Rebate is my #1 joker because it makes anything you want show up

[white zodiac]

me when I get to choose what I want

[white zodiac]

here's a little exhibit

[white zodiac]

hook being indirectly useful

[fading cobalt]

The amount of runs where I only find vampire but no midas or paredolia or find midas and paredolia but no vampire is really infuriating

[random ice]

Certificate is one of those jokers that basically solves every problem

[north schooner]

This is a non-argument. Any build is made better by more econ, so "just econ, bro" does not make any jokers more or less good relative to other jokers

[random ice]

I mean, AJ is just exponential scoring

[fading cobalt]

Ante 1 econ jokers are so peak tbh

[random ice]

Also, Drunkard and Juggler ARE COMMONS

Drunkard and Juggler make AJ way more consistent

People sleep on them

[fading cobalt]

Especially econ jokers that have a scaling factor

[white zodiac]

inconvenient x mult timing requiring a rather annoying initial requirement

[random ice]

I basically take Troubadour EVERY TIME I get AJ Because of the consistency improvements

[shrewd pasture]

if no one got me i know golden joker got me

[fading cobalt]

[random ice]

People SLEEP HARD on troubadour

[north schooner]

ugh I dunno, hook is mixed with AJ. If you are devoid of the suit you need, I guess you can play hands and save your discards. But if you have any of the suit you need, it's a risk

[fading cobalt]

Yeah cuz its an inconsistent joker to pick up

[random ice]

There's constant complaints about hand consistency in Balatro and that Joker solves a ton of them

+2 Handsize is very very strong

[tranquil otter]

o7 brian i want money

[random ice]

The +1 Juggler offers is already very good

[fading cobalt]

-1 hand can get you killed in certain scenarios

Troubadour is just juggler but worse

[shell current]

Painted deck son vs blue deck daughter

[random ice]

Hard disagree

[white zodiac]

you dig deeper into your deck and unless you need to two shot it, you're going to be able to see more of your desired suits than them being discarded assuming an even suited deck

[tranquil otter]

-1 hand is -5 cards of digging which counteracts most of the benefits of the handsize

[north schooner]

Vampire is fine without synergy. Not great, but it's scaling xMult which can make the run work.

[pale wolf]

being able to hold many cards while you dig for others is a very large benefit

[tranquil otter]

like with aj you will draw the flush less with troub

[tranquil otter]

troub just lets you go for more blue seal or gold card value

[random ice]

Not how it works, you can choose to hold more hards with Handsize as you play and discard

[pale wolf]

i dont know if thats true

[fading cobalt]

Yeah but I just wanna play that synergy once and it never happens 💔

[white zodiac]

trooby is often build specific

[tranquil otter]

With nothing else its pretty much always true

[random ice]

This is true but its value far exceeds that

[tranquil otter]

you would need to hit the 4/5 flush in the like initial hand for them to tie

[fading cobalt]

Yeah which makes it a inconsistent joker

[dreamy creek]

haters say troob cant work on abandoned

[north schooner]

That's fair.

[white zodiac]

with 4 cards of one suit in hand, you are given the ability to fully discard and hold a value card in hand

[random ice]

Free straights

[royal ore]

imma be honest, i hardly ever take merry andy, but maybe i just haven't seen the potential of the joker

[tranquil otter]

with normal handsize you can dig 5 most of the time and 4 some of the time

[north schooner]

It is fun when it happens

[royal ore]

cause it's like

[pale wolf]

when you're digging for a specific flush with aj??? no way

[royal ore]

with less hand size you usually play smaller hands

[tranquil otter]

yes bro

[random ice]

He can access the entire deck in Abandoned

[dreamy creek]

the malevolent mail in rebate

[tranquil otter]

are you taking ouija or some shit bro

8 hand size

[random ice]

Also Merry Andy and Rebate is basically INFINITE MONEY

[shell current]

3oak with steel cards and mime 😈