🕹・game-discussion

[white zodiac]

hey that's good

[coral summit]

Because I had a cumulative joker early on, I wanted to get the value I could out of it

[white zodiac]

you got a scaling joker and it got you pretty far on its own despite questionable early game odds

[pliant jewel]

i dont think 3 dollars is worth more than free 1.5x mult

[coral summit]

(Also most of the tags I saw were just not worth it.)

[white zodiac]

especially a1-2 boss blinds being cringe

[pliant jewel]

the earlygame matters the most

black deck sucks because its benefit doesnt help early game

[coral summit]

[pliant jewel]

and actively makes it horrible

[pliant jewel]

if only you were playing gold deck...
or green i guess

[white zodiac]

something I noticed is that since you said it took all of your hands on the last boss blind and also looking at the money you had before dying. I would have suggested you to roll down in the shop for a better alternative or ditch business card in favor of scoring as you're sitting comfortably in econ at that time going into the ante

[coral summit]

Do I play buffoon or 8 ball

[white zodiac]

buffoon

[light sigil]

What Joker do you guys think is the most powerful?

[white zodiac]

default option is usually buffoon

[white zodiac]

rebate

[coral summit]

I will try to go for more rerolls then

[light sigil]

I think I go with stuntman personally

[pliant jewel]

rebate or blueprint

[coral summit]

Golden Joker

Huge

[tardy spade]

is ouija the worst spectral?

[willow frost]

madness

[alpine basalt]

a tragedy has occurred. gotta roll for lucha, had golden ticket before this hand, just trying to roll into luchador now is my only hope

[willow frost]

bro just kills anyone

[tardy spade]

except the eternals

[white zodiac]

nova according to irl lore

[pliant jewel]

probably, maybe competing with incantation

[tardy spade]

incantation has synergy with hologram

[nova mantle]

i would have felt less pressure from a car falling on top of me

[pliant jewel]

and ouija has synergy with the family

[white zodiac]

mmm incantation has a few reasonable niches even if they're all tied to uncommons

[pliant jewel]

doesn't change that they suck

[white zodiac]

but doesn't at the same time

[coral summit]

Lost due to bad hands/discarding

[white zodiac]

darn

[pale wolf]

incantation isnt a strict detriment to most games like ouija is

[tardy spade]

I used to use incantation a lot for straight builds since more number cards must = good right?

[river slate]

what do i sell here?

[pliant jewel]

you don't want every number card though

2s and 10s aren't that helpful

[alpine basalt]

chad

[pliant jewel]

okay 10s may be helpful

[alpine basalt]

or bs

[pale wolf]

2s are aight cuz of wee and being a guaranteed right sorted rank

[river slate]

i was thinking the same thing

[alpine basalt]

bloodstone*

[ripe iris]

surprised i won this one actually

[alpine basalt]

not brainstorm

[river slate]

nah i love my beloved bloodstone

[pale wolf]

and they have hack

[river slate]

im gonna sell chad

[tardy spade]

what if stickers worked like other cards where they block themselves from appearing?
So having a rental joker would mean no oither jokers could show up as rental, in packs or in shops

[ripe iris]

rip madness builds

[tardy spade]

yeah....

part of the game

people will find new builds

[ripe iris]

i feel like this would make gold stake too easy

[white zodiac]

if you have 10 minutes of spare time, try out these first two vids to see if you have been discarding optimally. hopefully this could minimize the risks of whiffing a no joker round for this ante in case you have to work with scraps

https://youtu.be/u5zjR-4vylg?si=fwmnuMXH0ATs7j2I

https://youtu.be/3P5fzcsuy2Q?si=_vKpMH411iwk-3MO

[white zodiac]

game is already one of the easier roguelike games I've tried out, I don't think it needs this

[coral summit]

Looking like a roite propah pair run

[brazen garden]

Guys any recommendations for blue stake

[red thistle]

The doc also talks slowly. So if it isn't your style you can put the video speed up to like 1.5x^^

[pliant jewel]

pairs

[tardy spade]

play smaller hands

[ripe iris]

pair spam

always pair spam

[coral summit]

I play at work, so I’ll have to watch these later. Thanks though.

[tardy spade]

3oak, pairs, high card, 2 pair

[white zodiac]

I play it at x2 speed 🚅

[ripe iris]

pair spam my beloved ❤️

[coral summit]

This is pair spam

[pliant jewel]

play at x4 speed like a true balatro player

[ripe iris]

quit work, play more balatro

[pale wolf]

not a terrible pick

would with a purple seal or other tarot gen

[white zodiac]

also try looking at some of his recent gold stake videos if you want some insight on how he pilots throughout the antes. could take a look at some anaglyph runs if that interests you since he explains how he plays on a specific deck as if it's someone's first time watching

[fading cobalt]

God I hate the fish so much

Its worse than the plant istg

[river slate]

what am i even looking for now

[ripe iris]

whats fish again

[tardy spade]

it doesn't affect you if you draw your hand with your discards

[ripe iris]

idol

or dusk

[tardy spade]

cards drawn face down after each hand played

[ripe iris]

i see

yeah that ones annoying

[tardy spade]

ectoplasm

[white zodiac]

bean/crimson

[river slate]

sell blood stone right?

[fading cobalt]

Could you rephrase that in a way that isnt confusing asf

[tardy spade]

skill issue

[ripe iris]

if you can survive yes

[river slate]

yeah i can

[pliant jewel]

it doesn't affect discards

there

[white zodiac]

woah

[fading cobalt]

Ok but on blue stake you only have 2 discards and if you dont find your winning hand in 2 discards you're pretty much fucked

Also it was ante 7

[winter pike]

then use a hand thats easy to draw

[ripe iris]

if youre playing on blue stake you shouldnt be trying to find a "winning hand"

[pliant jewel]

not if you give in to the pair brainrot

[winter pike]

such as pairs :)

[fading cobalt]

⁉️

[ripe iris]

multiple smaller hands are better than a single big hand

[white zodiac]

erm what if I had no choice 💔

[pliant jewel]

you can also use the forbidden technique to just fuck over every single face down boss

[white zodiac]

oh nose

[fading cobalt]

I didnt find many pair planets so I would've died to not scoring high enough

[tardy spade]

yeah but that's boring

[cosmic sun]

the tribe

[fading cobalt]

All of the suggestions you guys have given are just explaining to me that i was fucked or fucked from the beginning

[white zodiac]

omg chips

[ripe iris]

planets arent really a requirement if you can just find enough chips and mult earlier

then find planets through blue seals

[coral summit]

I took a Uranus. Should I do anything else here or go next?

[winter pike]

did you find any blue seals

[pliant jewel]

probably not

[fading cobalt]

Nope, I found one spectral pack by ante 7

[winter pike]

probably not

[winter pike]

did you check standard packs too?

[fading cobalt]

Had to skip for econ

[winter pike]

surely you wouldve seen a few later on

[ripe iris]

find econ

[winter pike]

when you had more money

[white zodiac]

uranus with this specific setup should be enough chips for the boss

[fading cobalt]

Well I died before that

[white zodiac]

assuming it's not some bs flint or wall

[tardy spade]

manage your econ better

[tardy spade]

don't buy stuff you don't need

[fading cobalt]

Yeah I'm just gonna not talk about my runs in this server 🫩✌️

[coral summit]

It’s House

House is not that much of a problem but it’s just really annoying to me

[river slate]

do i sell showman lmao

[coral summit]

Yes

I have learned showman can really hurt a run

[ripe iris]

absolutely

you can have optimal scoring anyways

[valid berry]

comeback of the century

[river slate]

yeah ik i am greeding for money rn

[white zodiac]

well his run in particular is for endless where a majority of things don't work

[valid berry]

first golden stake win lets goo

[alpine nest]

What's the play

[buoyant crater]

if i have only one joker it will copy it or i need two joker bc its random so it need at least 2 joker ?

[pale wolf]

new profile

[white zodiac]

fr

[alpine nest]

What's the next best play

[pale wolf]

no lol its fine with just 1 joker left

[trail holly]

press r for 50 dollars

[valid berry]

delete game

[buoyant crater]

thanks (:

[pale wolf]

i think terrarias on sale

[white zodiac]

no way

[alpine nest]

Okay. What's the best option assuming the game state shown in the picture that's confined to this specific run

[pale wolf]

i believe its killing blueprint for mime

[alpine basalt]

sell everything. go outside

[pale wolf]

but i dont naneinf

[coral summit]

I love how I upgrade two pairs but I beat the boss in two 3oaks instead

[alpine nest]

I can't

[coral summit]

[winter pike]

why not

[alpine basalt]

buy reroll voucher

[valid berry]

kinda funny these are my first golded jokers but i fw it

[white zodiac]

full screen that vid you're watching

[alpine nest]

Bc the outside puts dirt in my skin

[coral summit]

Tweaking

The game just does not want me to have more chips or mult

[alpine nest]

Krill issue

[pale wolf]

business as usual

[coral summit]

Guess I’ll take the celestial and the business

[pliant jewel]

silk issue

[winter pike]

have you tried avoiding the dirt

[coral summit]

Or, wait

[pale wolf]

just the business if you score enough for next round imo

[alpine nest]

I tried but I haven't memorized it's attack patterns

[coral summit]

I’m running pairs, two pairs, etc

I might be able to make hourglass work

[pale wolf]

muni is paramount

[lament crater]

i hate orange stake

[alpine nest]

I hate orange

[winter pike]

you should keep trying, you'll learn them eventually

[winter pike]

i hate oranges

[pliant jewel]

i hate

[alpine nest]

Nine inch, orange, door hinge

[alpine nest]

I

[alpine basalt]

surely no ante 7 plant in back to back runs right? right?

[alpine nest]

Surely

[coral summit]

I need extra mult, so…

[alpine nest]

Don't do it

[coral summit]

I don’t trust bloodstone, I can’t lie.

[alpine nest]

It's not worth

[coral summit]

Should I just take the packs instead?

[lament crater]

i keep forgetting i dont play plasma anymore

[alpine nest]

Always plasma

[alpine nest]

Prolly

[buoyant crater]

whats the name of the mods that show your combo factor, etc.. ?

[alpine nest]

#⚙・modding-general

[buoyant crater]

oops, ty

[lament crater]

this will not win

[river slate]

lmao

a lot of s&b

[pale wolf]

idk why but even though every Jimbo is grinning with teeth bared, i see Constellation and blackboard with their mouths open

well i do know why

but still

[winter pike]

why

[winter pike]

blackboard looks so happy

[pale wolf]

teeth area darker than lips

[winter pike]

i see

[fading cobalt]

Gg

nvm I won here, but I lose next round

[nova mantle]

i need one hand to check where obelisk is, do i play 3oak or the straight? cant play pairs or high card btw, this is my deck too

[robust lance]

first i get faceless to trigger twice the round i got it and now this
run's cursed

[coral summit]

I try so hard to go for pairs and the game desperately tries to stop me

I’m crashing OUT man

These straights better leave me alone

[nova mantle]

well it clearly reads "the fool" there

so its a fool

honestly flabbergasted you could pick seltzer correctly lmao

[white zodiac]

trousers and runner can be jokers of their poker hand types for scaling and can still be pair jokers later on as an unconditional source of scoring

[coral summit]

This shit costed me the run

No matter what I discarded

No matter what I played

The game would not give me back a pair or a two pair

[fading cobalt]

Bro ante 8 canio is NOT what I needed to save the run

Why is it never trib or some shit 🫩

[robust lance]

you're telling me...

[ripe iris]

trust me this is gonna hit luchador

i got this

nvm

[nova mantle]

YES YES I WON OBELIKS RESET ON LAST BLIND AND I WON HOLYYYY

[viral raft]

Ghost deck shouldn't have Hex at the start of the run

[nova mantle]

im very happy with this outcome

[ripe iris]

tried to start a new baron run and the game hits me with this

[viral raft]

that x1.5 mult is really strong ngl

[ripe iris]

rip

[abstract rivet]

ehh

you greatly overestimate how much 1.5x really does early on

[brave goblet]

I feel dirty

[abstract rivet]

plus early on you are going to more than likely have some shiddy common to even survive the first few rounds

[lament crater]

what a lovely playing card

[abstract rivet]

and like holding unto the hex makes it essentially -1 consumable slot

[coral summit]

Mmmmmmmmm

[viral raft]

1.5x mult does almost nothing on early game but literally that's a free x1.5 mult wtf

[ripe iris]

alternatively the hex is equal to +2 starting money

[coral summit]

Blackboard…

[white zodiac]

blackboard

[ripe iris]

which is really +3 because it puts you over the interest threshold

[abstract rivet]

but yeah that is like the only other 'benefit' of the deck starting out immediatly

[winter pike]

which blind are you on

[fading cobalt]

Me everytime jimbo says I should go play go fish

[nova mantle]

you js need hack now

[abstract rivet]

because most spectral cards in shop do nothing extremely early on besides the seals and immolate

[viral raft]

Like, spectral cards in your shop is already good wtf, why a hex in early that's so unnecesary to already make a deck already strong

[cosmic sun]

sock and midskin sticker

[safe moat]

Yall painted deck has to be the most pain in the ass deck you could ever use to make an endless run

[abstract rivet]

what is a cryptid going to do on like ante 1 or 2

[ripe iris]

counterpoint: baron

[viral raft]

other decks doesn't even have benefit in early game, how Ghost is even compared to Anaglyph

[abstract rivet]

wdym by that

yellow deck is money

[safe moat]

I’m not using Baron

[winter pike]

counterpoint: one less joker slot to score with baron and mime

[ripe iris]

counterpoint: baron mime and bs and bp is only 4 slots

[winter pike]

me and my showman:

[ripe iris]

you arent gonna naneinf with it but its definitely alr

[winter pike]

me and my invisible joker:

[viral raft]

Yeah but Anaglyph, Black, Nebula just have one simple passive, Ghost on the other hand is a great passive AND a Hex

like dude, the passive is god tier why do you gave me a free x1.5 mult

[ripe iris]

unless ur tryna hit a naneinf thats not really relevenat though

[safe moat]

It’s not enough

[winter pike]

yeah but im like 95% sure having a third copy joker is better than 2 more kings

[fading cobalt]

Anaglyph, plasma, all coloured decks but black and magic deck

[ripe iris]

well a lot of runs wont even find the third copy

[lament crater]

im getting triggered by orange stake rn

[ripe iris]

speaking from experience

[winter pike]

those are ass decks though

[abstract rivet]

and as i mentioned

are you really going to keep that 1.5x mult joker all the way to ante 8

[abstract rivet]

because early on you need mult or some sort of common scoring joker

[alpine basalt]

welp gg

[winter pike]

if it's a good one yeah, i think the hex is really good but not overpowered strong

[alpine basalt]

canio and trading card same shop

[winter pike]

buy overstock

[amber vigil]

should i start scaling obelisk now? (bus is at 8)

[winter pike]

and blackboard too

[ripe iris]

id take a polychrome eternal even if it was smth like seance

[winter pike]

yeah

[ripe iris]

so yeah

[viral raft]

But you can won with them, the game is designed to make almost everything good, Ghost passive along is enough, why is the need to also gave you a Hex, literrally a free xmult if you get a decent joker

[ripe iris]

spectral cards in shop is good but you make it seem way more op than it is

like im not ever gonna use an ecto or a ouija in normal play

[river slate]

o7

[ripe iris]

maybe a grim or familiar

[viral raft]

Other decks have way worst passives and they don't even start with a polychrome

[ripe iris]

but only once

[ripe iris]

which decks are worse passives?

[winter pike]

yeah you can win with any deck, doesnt make them good

[ripe iris]

id argue most decks actually have stronger passives

especially for higher stakes

[viral raft]

so why do you gave Ghost a Hex

[alpine basalt]

luckiest wheel of my LIFE

[viral raft]

if the passive is good

[ripe iris]

im saying ghosts passive isnt that good?

do you know how to read?

[white zodiac]

it's decent

[ripe iris]

its decent yes

[viral raft]

No, that's my point lmao

[ripe iris]

the hex helps balance it out

granted not well

the hex makes ghost like a top 3 deck probably

but without it ghost would be like bottom 5

[viral raft]

so, why other passive decks doesn't start with a good consumable? Anaglyph have a way worst passive and start with nothing

[winter pike]

they should be buffed yes

ghost doesnt need a nerf

[gusty magnet]

PLEASE NO PLANT

PLEASE

[ripe iris]

well there's no real point in adding it

anaglyph is well balanced as is

[amber vigil]

died during my obelisk pivot cause my michel died

[winter pike]

praying on your survival

[amber vigil]

unfortunate

[ripe iris]

ghost is better than anaglypgh yes but that doesnt mean they should be made the same level of difficulty

[winter pike]

i would disagree, the skips are rarely good

[ripe iris]

and by your logic black deck should start out with an immolate

[winter pike]

so i dont necessarily think everything needs to be perfectly balanced

[ripe iris]

well id say its good as is

no need to change it

one of the worst decks for sure but no real point

[unreal island]

hi balatbros, just finished my therapy session

[ripe iris]

at least it doesnt have a god awful downside like black deck

[winter pike]

i dont think anaglyph needs a buff but maybe skips could use some sort of buff

nothing crazy

[ripe iris]

definitely

[gusty magnet]

OGH MY GOD

[ripe iris]

skips are ass

[viral raft]

i mean, most of the game is well balanced, specially the fact that youi can won with almost everything, idk the point of making a deck that already have a decent passive, a Free x1.5 mult

[fading cobalt]

I didnt know balatro and death note collaborated

[winter pike]

but maybe something to make them a bit more of a consideration aside from investment

[winter pike]

yippeee

[white zodiac]

consistency wise, anaglyph is your neutral standard

[ripe iris]

sure you could take it away and ghost deck still wouldnt be the worst deck in the game but why would you?

[unreal island]

imagine getting this just to get verdant leaf next round

[ripe iris]

the hex isnt op

the passive isnt op

its a good deck

nothing more

[winter pike]

just buy another joker

[fading cobalt]

Magic trick and hieroglyph are the worst vouchers imo

[gusty magnet]

we all agree i take acrobat right

[white zodiac]

ghost sits between red and magic for your decent decks

mleh

[winter pike]

erm

[viral raft]

a free 1.5x is really good lol, just get a decent joker in ante 1 and you already have a decent Xmult

[winter pike]

what hand are you playing

[unreal iron]

maybe sell luchador

[gusty magnet]

i want to play 4oak

[ripe iris]

1.5 is pretty decent but you overestimate it

[gusty magnet]

if i get planted

im fucked

[short phoenix]

is ectoplasm -2 a good idea?

[winter pike]

whats your deck like rn

[unreal iron]

glass cards in question:

[unreal island]

x3 for two hands vs x3 for one hand ahh question

[tranquil cedar]

that's like the third straight run win this week what the hell

[unreal island]

he didnt beat plant yet (its next blind)

[gusty magnet]

yeah but the chance of me getting to 4oaks isnt that high

[amber vigil]

i confused a flush with a high card and reset my bus😭

[viral raft]

The passive is also good, Inmolate, Trance, Familiar, cryptid in your shop maybe aren't win conditions but they're good (specially Inmolate and trance)

[unreal island]

wait ur doing a foak build

[fading cobalt]

Happens to the best of us

[tranquil cedar]

I was gonna say "huh, green spades" AND THEN I NOTICED THE LOIDS????

[fading cobalt]

4oak was better than foak cuz foak sounds like five of a kind

[unreal island]

normalize calling 3oak throak, 4oak foak, and 5oak soak

[gusty magnet]

4oak into something better probably

[viral raft]

Like, obviusly you can't just won with thje passive along but is just way Better than nebula and anaglyph, decks that only starts with passives and nothing more

[gusty magnet]

DO I TAKE

[ripe iris]

theyre good but first of all youre probably only gonna find like one of those per ante and its not comparable to the benefit of like plasma for example

[gusty magnet]

ACROBAT

ISNTEAD OF CARD

[winter pike]

MAYBE

[ripe iris]

nebula is good

[gusty magnet]

im

[winter pike]

flip a coin

[gusty magnet]

really nervous

the setup

[winter pike]

heads is card sharp

[gusty magnet]

is so good rn

[viral raft]

Plasma in high stakes is meh lol

[winter pike]

tails is acrobat

[white zodiac]

nebula is bottom 5 lol

[ripe iris]

plasma in high stakes is still good

[unreal island]

ahh yes, morgan freeman whatsapp

my favorite vocaloid

[white zodiac]

bottom 2

[viral raft]

no

[unreal island]

wait

[winter pike]

nah purple stake and above it gets so much harder

[unreal island]

its gordon freeman LMOA

[ripe iris]

i had a really easy time gold staking nebula idk what ur talking ab

[ripe iris]

ok yeah above purple stake theres issues

but below purple stake its practically free

[white zodiac]

you're not going to be streaking well or finishing c++ on nebula of all decks

[unreal island]

plasma should've been scrapped for POLYCHROME DECK OH YEAHHH

[jagged valve]

Ante 1 Triboulet

[ripe iris]

well im definitely not doing that

[viral raft]

anything below purple/blue stake is free lmao

[ripe iris]

but nebula wasnt that bad

[gusty magnet]

OMG

[ripe iris]

more free than most other decks obv

[gusty magnet]

I FOUND RETCON

[winter pike]

buy overstock if you can

[white zodiac]

yeah below the stakes where we don't care for specific straw balancing

[unreal island]

trib should make it so the plant can be the boss blind starting ante 2

[gusty magnet]

I MEAN

DIRECTORS CUT

[jagged valve]

Wymm

[winter pike]

yippee

[jagged valve]

Why

[ripe iris]

i mean i feel like we should care more about stakes below gold

[winter pike]

because it's one of the best vouchers in the game

[white zodiac]

this doesn't really validate it's strengths when its main focus was on gs reliability which is the talk of the deck

[unreal island]

it hsould make it so that the earliest blind the plant shows up in is ante 2 instead of ante 6

[white zodiac]

why

[ripe iris]

most casual players probably dont play gold stake as much

[viral raft]

yeah but who cares being good in kow stakes if the higher ones the deck is just countered by chip requiment

[amber vigil]

fuckin hell

[jagged valve]

What does the Plant do?

[white zodiac]

so why should balancing discussion matter for those who could care less about it

[unreal island]

this would actually be a buff because you can rely on basic +mults and +chips during the plant early and then you can just keep deck fixing for trib

[winter pike]

debuffs face cards

[unreal island]

makes trib THE WORST LEGENDARY IN THE GAME

[jagged valve]

Crap

[viral raft]

all face cards debuffed

[pale wolf]

plant showing up earlier rather than later would be better for face card builds

[jagged valve]

Is this a guarantee?

[winter pike]

no

[unreal island]

perfect trib buff!

[ripe iris]

im saying that since most people play below gold stake its wrong to only care about gold stake when discussing balancing

[cosmic sun]

game already has a decent framework for gold stake gameplay yet there are still many casuals, you can have both

[candid bay]

😭

[white zodiac]

some ppl like to play to completion which is requiring to play it through gold. that has to retain some weight for deck balancing discussion and knowing that one has more success over the other

[unreal island]

um

you can sell the pareidolia dood

[pale wolf]

every stake is just a step on the progression ladder to the full form of the game, gold stake

[jagged valve]

Pareidolia

[winter pike]

sell the pareidolia

[candid bay]

Yeah I know but my whole joker hand is based around it

[unreal island]

still, +100 chips on a strush aint gonna win

[ripe iris]

only 12% of steam players have beaten gold stake and id reason mobile players have an even smaller percentage so when it comes to balancing obviously gold stake is probably the most important stake to consider, but the rest are also important

[white zodiac]

you can be a casual gs player. the most popular balala streamer lives to be one

[jagged valve]

I'm confused lmao is the plant happening in ante 2 or are yall bluffing

[river slate]

do i sell grimbo?

[winter pike]

ante 4 or later

[white zodiac]

this is not including mobile players

the majority of the audience

[unreal island]

wtf i thought it was 6

[pale wolf]

and the people with the most understanding of the game that will be able to utilize game knowledge, will mostly be playing gold runs
people casually playing White stake runs on their break probably don't care much about the balance of the game in general

[unreal island]

wait wahts the boss blind that shows up ante 6

wait no thats the ox right

[winter pike]

for bbc? yeah

[ripe iris]

id reason mobile players have a lower gold stake percentage

[winter pike]

yeah i think so

[river slate]

mmmhh bbc

[ripe iris]

idk if thats right

[unreal island]

selling someone just for some bbc is crazy work

[ripe iris]

but i think mobile players are even more casual than desktop ones

[winter pike]

bbc is good

[winter pike]

yes

[white zodiac]

do you have statistics to back this up

[alpine talon]

Isn't this going to become useless? I saw so many people having these

[unreal island]

source: i made it up

[jagged valve]

What do I go for when building a face card build

[pale wolf]

I don't feel like you need them

[robust lance]

had spaceman trigger 2 of 5 times before it was disabled

[alpine talon]

Oh hello againt

[pale wolf]

It's a safe assumption

[robust lance]

above average odds

[unreal island]

face cards

[winter pike]

it will be but you dont need all five joker slots

[alpine talon]

Hello to you too

[jagged valve]

Cuz that seems like what I'll be doing now

[pale wolf]

hi

[alpine talon]

Wait so I take it right

[unreal island]

you too:

[winter pike]

get glass in case of the plant

[jagged valve]

What hand type should I do mostly

[alpine talon]

Gurt:

[winter pike]

i would probably take it yeah

[alpine talon]

Cool

[winter pike]

if you lose its not my fault :)

[white zodiac]

anyways you have the creator of the game of all ppl, to go through gold stakes and then finishing c++ to say that they have a better understanding of the game balancing and changes they want to consider for the next update. it's definitely a priority to look at the high end of the games difficulty

[brave goblet]

Accidentally played a two pair instead of a flush cause one of my kings wasn't wild

[white zodiac]

ik but ratios are weird

[pale wolf]

I know we talk about how the ultimate form of the game is gold stake non-endless but how does delayed gratification's design make sense with current gold stake

[white zodiac]

blue stake moment

[candid bay]

Pray you don't get the plant 😭

[jagged valve]

Should I skip on ante 2 for rare tag

How often do yall skip

[pale wolf]

never for a rare tag

[abstract rivet]

delayed grat being worse golden joker is crazy

[robust lance]

😨

[unreal island]

delgrat is great

[pale wolf]

if you remove the e from great it's kind of close

[abstract rivet]

the only synergy delayed grat has in the game is drunkard/merry andy

and thats like it for an extra few $ if you can even beat the round without discards

[unreal island]

thats the thing

it doesnt need synergy

bc it literally works for no discard builds

[white zodiac]

which is

[winter pike]

it's golden joker, but worse

(on blue stake)

[unreal island]

like raw men

[white zodiac]

suboptimal

[abstract rivet]

like if you are playing green joker

[unreal island]

raw men + prolonged dissatisfaction

[abstract rivet]

delayed grat econ is better than nothing i GUESS

but like yeah

[wintry ice]

delayed is decent at best imo

[brave goblet]

Money is better than no money

[jagged valve]

What are the best cards for face card build that I should look for (tarot, joker, etc)

[brave goblet]

But some money is better than others

[pale wolf]

multichicot on water

[cosmic sun]

ride the bus

[unreal island]

face cards (K, Q, J)

[abstract rivet]

death and hanged man? also sock+buskin

[jagged valve]

Ermm

[unreal island]

more like over and rated (talking about s+b)

[winter pike]

strength 10s into jacks

[alpine talon]

Good decision?

[white zodiac]

delgrat is not something I want under any stickers

[jagged valve]

Triboulet is only king and queens tho ..

[gusty magnet]

yo

i think

[cosmic sun]

rtb is a face card build, just put your devils on faces

[gusty magnet]

this is it

[cosmic sun]

🙏

[jagged valve]

Is Triboulet that bar

[unreal island]

make it ur last joker to gold sticker bc u delayed the gratification of getting c++

[jagged valve]

Bad

[abstract rivet]

just stone the faces on rtb builds

[winter pike]

it was a great decision

[abstract rivet]

so you can't play them by accident, and extra chips can save

[white zodiac]

that's saved for bloodstone

[alpine talon]

Splendid

[white zodiac]

I haven't unlocked it yet

[winter pike]

negative jimbo

[gusty magnet]

for verdant leaf

also funny

[winter pike]

very funny

[unreal island]

just waking up ante 1 i gotta thank god
i dont know but the buffoon pack has odd todd

[winter pike]

❓

[jagged valve]

Do I do deck thinning to a single suit for this

[lyric shore]

it could help

[winter pike]

probably not

you have enough mult to survive

[jagged valve]

Who to trust now

[jagged valve]

I mean long term

[winter pike]

im typing

once trib is up, then the +7 isnt a whole lot after some planets

[lyric shore]

yeah id rather you buy the voucher in this ante

[jagged valve]

What hands would I even lvl up with face build

[winter pike]

four of a kind

i would try to strength queens and jacks into kings

[jagged valve]

Alright

[lyric shore]

why go to kings if queens work

[coral summit]

Surely this will be the run

[winter pike]

maybe keep some queens around to play full house or two pair more easily before you go for the four of a kind kings

[white zodiac]

2 pair is the safest

[coral summit]

How’s this

[pale wolf]

wtf

[winter pike]

you can make more of them

[wintry ice]

3oak and 4oak work

[lyric shore]

with td list it might be affordable

i guess its unlikely yea

[pale wolf]

i wouldnt buy the 12 dollar interest voucher when you already arent at interest cap

[jagged valve]

🥹

[lyric shore]

sure not right now

[pale wolf]

maybe going down to 20 but not from

[coral summit]

Should I grab card sharp

Or is that a bad idea

[white zodiac]

sure

[pale wolf]

carp sharp is awesome

[winter pike]

yeah

[coral summit]

(I’m running flushes)

[buoyant ridge]

crazy chips run ;D

[coral summit]

Ok

[white zodiac]

oh

[winter pike]

and then dont get the eye

[gusty magnet]

AAAND IM GONNA KILL MYSELF

[white zodiac]

um

[winter pike]

noooooooooo

[graceful dust]

Hello can i shyncronize my steam account to my apple account in balatro ?

[wintry ice]

you want to move to easier hands later

[pale wolf]

nope

[graceful dust]

there is no method ?

[wintry ice]

not as of now

[pale wolf]

you can edit your steam save manually to be identical

[white zodiac]

since you have fist you should move to pairs or other easier hands to find

[pale wolf]

but theres no legit way of getting apple saves

[wintry ice]

i'm not sure if i'd call this rough gem worth it

[graceful dust]

how ?

[wintry ice]

i definitely am grabbing runner

[jagged valve]

I turn airplane mode to play Balatro

[white zodiac]

mmm what's the harm with rebate and echo

[wintry ice]

actually true

[winter pike]

what does the deck and joker do

[wintry ice]

do i even go with runner

[pale wolf]

googling balatro save editor

[wintry ice]

i'd definitely like larger hands for this

[jagged valve]

Is that starfruit a vanilla card??

[wintry ice]

and i don't need chips for those

[graceful dust]

ok thanks

[wintry ice]

it's modded

[white zodiac]

runner in case of like ante 3 flint or something

[jagged valve]

Awww

[white zodiac]

idk how bad the scaling is on echo

for like mid to late game

or the game plan

in general

[wintry ice]

yea fair

[white zodiac]

cause it just looks like a 2 pair deck where you already got chips for having 2 pairs

leveled up

[random ice]

AJ good

[pale wolf]

all around the country from coast to coast
people always ask me what do i like most
i dont wanna brag, i dont wanna boast
i always tell em, i like toast

[shell dagger]

If that’s the echo deck, surely that’s well worth it

Almost pays itself off with 1 flush

[random ice]

Wild Cards actually useful when running AJ

[jagged valve]

Should I hieroglyph?

Black deck

[coral summit]

Card sharp run failed

Which spectral is better here

[pale wolf]

familiar probably

[jagged valve]

Familiar?

[pale wolf]

theyre sorta equally mediocre here

[white zodiac]

I hardly know her

[pale wolf]

a gold card from familiar is the best case

[shell dagger]

what about 2 gold cards

[white zodiac]

what about 3

[random ice]

Familiar can make Golds, Lucky's and Glass

[pale wolf]

wdym

[jagged valve]

I'm praying for wasteful

Or hand

[random ice]

Imo people sleep on Familiar, Incantation and Grim

[shell dagger]

imagine if familiar could make stones

[pale wolf]

it used to

[white zodiac]

bruh

[shell dagger]

I sleep on a mattress usualy

[jagged valve]

Wouldn't be face card

[random ice]

I don't think any of the 3 Spectrals can make Stones for that reason

[shell dagger]

yes

[pale wolf]

there should be another spectral for making 5 randon stone cards

[shell dagger]

incantation naneinf

[unborn cliff]

its an enhancement

[white zodiac]

grim is currently decent with minimal drawback

[unborn cliff]

and there can be a rank under the stone

👀

[coral summit]

I have a math question

Who here’s good at math

[unborn cliff]

none here

[shell dagger]

i am a 4th year undergrad maths student

[jagged valve]

Is the tradeoff worth it?

[coral summit]

Which of these score more

[jagged valve]

Wha?

[unborn cliff]

theres still a card in the stone card

[white zodiac]

they both one shot so

[unborn cliff]

stone is an enhancmenet

[shell dagger]

4oak is 990 points i think

[jagged valve]

For Vampire?

[random ice]

Possible Enhancements are

Gold, Glass, Lucky
Steel, Bonus, Mult, Wild

3 enhancements I'd argue are ALWAYS good (worst case scenario Glass is a delayed remove)

On average Incantation will make 1.7 GOOD cards

[cloud linden]

Multed out of his mind

[shell dagger]

Straight is 81*14

[unborn cliff]

if you change the enhancement

[shell dagger]

Straight scores more

But they both one shot

this problem truly tested my maths knowledge

[jagged valve]

The way I got to know about Balatro was Michael Huang playing it during his TPOT intro inbetweened timelapse

[cloud linden]

I don't understand a word but cool

[jovial mica]

CHAT I FINALLY GOT BALATRO

[coral summit]

Okay can someone tell me the benefit of Stone Cards

Like

What do they even do

[cloud linden]

I fucking love pirating

[junior jasper]

I got a holo to 12.5x mult using certificste and blueprint

[pale wolf]

they give you 50 chips

[jovial mica]

chips
extra chips

[pale wolf]

on any hand that they fit in

[coral summit]

Stone cards can’t be used in like hands though

[pale wolf]

they always score

[shell dagger]

they can be used in pairs (which we tried to explain are good)

[pale wolf]

i put stone on gold seals

[fading dome]

they always score (and it's crazy that that isn't in their description)

[shell dagger]

yeah stone gold seal goes hard with chad

[junior jasper]

I remember i played the rock hard deck which was stone poly red seal

Cryptid

[jagged valve]

How 🥹

[coral summit]

I ask because shop has a holo marble joker

[junior jasper]

I can still hear his voice ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[cloud linden]

Inbetweened time lapse? WHAT DO YOU MEAN

[shell dagger]

marble joker isn’t great

[coral summit]

Ok

[jagged valve]

The TPOT 19 "improved intro" which is just smoother

[shell dagger]

makes hologram even better though

[cloud linden]

We (yes WE) are bringing back let yo bih go through yo phone

[coral summit]

It’s either that or eternal hallucination for my joker picks

Then I’ve got two arcana packs

Should I just shoot for arcana

I have no mult

The marble joker is eternal

[jagged valve]

If my bih went through my phone she wouldn't find anything bad but probably get a Balatro addiction and leave me for it anyways

[shell dagger]

Holographic is very good early on it might be the right move

[jagged valve]

I'm still not sure if I'll be buying Hieroglyph voucher

[cursive lion]

gay parade

[jagged valve]

Is there a joker u unlock by filling ur joker slots with polychromes

[coral summit]

Even if it’s eternal?

[vital badge]

Yep this is indeed Balatro

[shell dagger]

yeah

[cursive lion]

bootstraps with two polychromes

[coral egret]

guys is this valid

[jagged valve]

Yeah that exists

[shell dagger]

it’s pretty wacky

[jagged valve]

I never used credit card

[cursive lion]

common ranks?

[coral egret]

yep

[coral egret]

pretty good joker tbh

[pale wolf]

no

[random ice]

Funky start

[jagged valve]

Using it and then wraith is ok I guess

[coral egret]

how so

[shell dagger]

rebate B

raised fist C

bus B

all a bit weird

[coral egret]

bus B cuz i play abandoned alot

raised fist C cuz its mostly good for early ante

[shell dagger]

bus should be S on that scale, A at the lowest

raised fist is better than half joker

[coral egret]

rebate B because pretty good econ

[pale wolf]

rebate not being the top of the list, delgrat above golden j, golden ticket so high, riff raff not at top of list, rtb not at top of list, Jimbo being dead last, uuuuh theres more

[shell dagger]

rebate is the best common

it is S here

[coral egret]

no jimbo is his own rank

he's too good for S

[pale wolf]

rebate is arguably the best Joker in the game, period
let alone among econs

same with riff

[coral egret]

overexaggeration

[pale wolf]

literally not an exaggeration at all

[coral egret]

i personally go for other econs tbh

[pale wolf]

explain

[coral egret]

i go for faceless joker mostly

[pale wolf]

You're trolling

lol

[coral egret]

or business if im playing faces

[coral egret]

cant even have an opinion without someone calling it ragebait

[coral summit]

Is a skip good if it increases pair level 6 times

[coral egret]

okay rebate deserves A

[coral summit]

[pale wolf]

rebate is literally faceless but easier draw odds, and able to activate multiple times per discard
like I just don't see any situation where anybody would think its better than rebate

[coral egret]

tempting

[coral summit]

Well… I mean… I already did it so

[pale wolf]

rebate wins runs straight out

[coral summit]

Actually wait that wasn’t 6 levels

[coral egret]

idk i just dont think much about rebate

[coral summit]

That was 9

Pair is level 11 now

[pale wolf]

thinking is usually at least a partial factor in making a tier list 🤪

when someone asserts that something is better than you think it actually is, there's merit in checking it out for yourself several times to confirm or deny your own opinion

none of my opinions about Jokers are taken as gospel from other people, but they might prompt me to investigate

[shell dagger]

anaglyph right? yeah that’s very good

[willow frost]

whats a good deck to do gold streaks with

[coral summit]

Cool this sounds like garbage

[coral summit]

Anaglyph moments really being the only reason why I want to play pairs lmao

[tranquil cargo]

that's the best chips joker in the game

[willow frost]

i mostly played ghost deck during c++ but i dont see many people doing streaks with it

[coral summit]

It might be good for me after I’ve modified the hell out of my deck lmao

[cursive lion]

honestly the best base chips joker but if you want scaling or need those two hand size wee and square joker

[tranquil cargo]

it's insanely good for hand agnostic builds

and plasma deck

[willow frost]

wee joker?

[zinc karma]

💦💦💦💦💦 (already discarded clubs ace)

[eager lynx]

brainstorm in shop upon entry, ante 2

i think ill win this painted run

[nova mantle]

does anyone find erratic deck very boring? after doing anaglyph it just seems like a big nothing sandwich

[winter pike]

rebate too low

[lament crater]

we are forgetting about bull

bull > square joker

[cloud sinew]

there will be balatro in 3 days

[random ice]

WHAT

[eternal anchor]

Take this Joker and pairs will be worth it

[merry summit]

I wonder if anyone beaten a Balatro run without using Jokers, Planets, Tarot or even upgrading their basic cards (like turning some into Lucky or Glass, etc.)

[lyric shore]

its fun to evaluate what your deck is good at in the beginning and changes how good lots of jokers are

[orchid comet]

yes

cuz u can get very rich

[merry summit]

*Tarrot

[eternal anchor]

you had it right the first time! What gives?

[white zodiac]

kinda questionable given rebate and the 6 extra pair levels he already got

[merry summit]

Dislexia

[orchid comet]

oh sorry

[white zodiac]

and a certain boss blind

[merry summit]

Mult > Chips (even though you need chips to win lmao)

[orchid comet]

yes cuz u get chips from cards already (I heard a smart person say) and u don't get mult without jokers or planet cards

[river slate]

bro how do you play plasma ffs i can't get past purple stake

plasma sucks

[floral mural]

you restricted every way of scoring more here i think

[white zodiac]

find pivot opportunities or adapt to switching points

2 pair is a choice

[orchid comet]

no

[north schooner]

Gold Stake Discorder Challenge (impossible)

[floral mural]

actually chips are as good as mult and more valuable on jokers due to being rarer to get than mult

[orchid comet]

though I haven't unlocked most decks idk potential

[merry summit]

What I just said isn't apart of my original discussion. I just wanted to say that Mults are better than Chips

[merry summit]

Wym?

[winter pike]

technically you could get like orbital tags to upgrade four of a kind and get insane draws

[white zodiac]

uh

[river slate]

i tried many run with 2 pairs, with mult chips and everything i just can't get past it

[orchid comet]

I haven't seen ur original discussion

[shell dagger]

There are fewer chips jokers than mult jokers

[floral mural]

but realistically?

[shell dagger]

But you are right, mult is more valuable in ante 1

[winter pike]

not possibly realistically, but technically possible

[orchid comet]

something being uncommon shouldn't be the only reason it's valuable

[shell dagger]

But once you’ve found a mult joker, a chips joker is more valuable than a second mult joker

[merry summit]

Fun fact, if you turn on the get all setting on your profile. It'll show you what that card is but It'll also have the chain background on it lol

[floral mural]

youd need every skip tag to be orbital for straights or something and never have deaf draws

[shell dagger]

It isn’t the only reason

[white zodiac]

mult is most valuable early game, chips mid game, x mult late game, as per standard

[eternal anchor]

I wonder if anyone has beaten a Balatro run without playing Balatro

[floral mural]

can you even get orbital tag before ante 3?

[shell dagger]

Yes

[orchid comet]

I see

[merry summit]

It was me asking if you can beat a Balatro run w/o the stuffs I listed

[shell dagger]

Just not in ante 1 iirc

[merry summit]

True

[winter pike]

you can get up to level 49 from just tags and that scores 236000 so you need to not get violet vessel too

43*

[white zodiac]

unflintable/unconditional chip source is very welcome

[floral mural]

actually if were talking cracked draws were using straight flush levels instead

[orchid comet]

I suppose the "upgrade x by 3 levels" could make u get far

[winter pike]

true

[merry summit]

Oh shit, I forgot abt those

[lament crater]

way easier to earn money than to constantly play 4 cards

[merry summit]

Uh. Sweep those under the rug

[winter pike]

327600 by the final boss

[zealous lynx]

is this optimal joker order?

[orchid comet]

yeah I never buy it

[merry summit]

8 JONKLERS

[shell dagger]

Move a bp to idol

[merry summit]

And almost all your cards are buffed

Huge w

[floral mural]

so if you get every skip tag to be orbital straight flush and never fail to draw the straight flush you can beat that run

diabolical

[winter pike]

indeed indeed, so technically possible

[white zodiac]

glass and poly

idk calc this shit

[shell dagger]

Rn it’s 3.5 mults 5 triggers

4.5 mults 4 triggers is better

[orchid comet]

wait how do u get the +50 or [Ace-Straight] thing

[shell dagger]

I know it’s not really like .5 mults but it’s close enough

[zealous lynx]

idk because its 3.5 scoring 4 triggers

[mild scaffold]

Nutty

[shell dagger]

It’s not 4 triggers rn

[zealous lynx]

jokerdisplay mod

3 sock + redseal?

[shell dagger]

Base trigger + red seal + sock + 2 blueprints

[zealous lynx]

oooh

i always forget to take into account base triggers

[mild scaffold]

@floral mural theoretically, if you got given 2 spectral pack tags, 1 containing chicot and the other containing ankh

You could beat ante 7 with the wall boss blind and then ante 8 violet vessel

[cloud sinew]

what's the context

[cold finch]

Tiny bit o money on ante 2. also most inefficient gold joker incoming??

[mild scaffold]

At least you got interest

[cloud sinew]

$90 😭

WITH SCORING

ik you got immolate but what else lead to this point

[mild scaffold]

I theorize 3 lucky card hits + hermit

[orchid comet]

I keep hearing violet vessel with no idea what it is

[cursive lion]

or two investment tags

here's my tierlist

[cloud sinew]

very likely that there was an immolate - has a lot of money and the deck is -5 from base

[cold finch]

i took a fool on ante 2 r1, then got hermit on r2. After that, an arcana pack with a third hermit, i was initially at 27. Also a immolate somewhere

im at 112 now thanks to a lucky hit as well as another hermit

[cursive lion]

the order is by colection in each teir if that makes sense

[mild scaffold]

Flowerpot and blackboard so low??

You have hit the road in the same ball park as the duo???

[mild scaffold]

Not much...

[orchid comet]

yes it does

[winter pike]

flowerpot is not good, blackboard on the other hand

[white zodiac]

what is this

[orchid comet]

by the order in which it appears in your joker display thingy in the game

[mild scaffold]

Have you by chance ever been in the presence of a the moon card

[coral summit]

I face a hefty decision.

[winter pike]

why baron, idol, showman, dna, throwback, satellite so high

[cursive lion]

no by the actual collection i didn't think it was that important to exactly match in order

[winter pike]

❓ do you mean seeing double

[orchid comet]

why do u have space or photograph

[white zodiac]

what's wrong with space

[mild scaffold]

Didn't you say blackboard??

[coral summit]

I’ve blocked them by this point I don’t know what they’re waffling about

[white zodiac]

oh

[orchid comet]

oh u hello

[coral summit]

I might sell constellation…? But I’m not sure

[white zodiac]

no dont

[coral summit]

Ok

[orchid comet]

I heard it doesn't upgrade most the time

[winter pike]

i said "flowerpot is not good, blackboard on the other hand" implying i think its good

[ivory reef]

I feel like this is a sign

[orchid comet]

considering how wheel of fortune works I believe it

[white zodiac]

what is wrong with you

[cursive lion]

6-7 is still like good jokers thats like the beutry of the game, they still work and everything but i just havent really used them much

[orchid comet]

my YouTube feed I suppose... 💔

[cloud sinew]

they're both 1/4

[mild scaffold]

Ohh

[shell dagger]

it literally says 1 in 4, that should tell you it doesn’t upgrade most of the time

[white zodiac]

so depending on your current scoring, photo most likely dies due to the scoring timing of your other flat mult

[cursive lion]

maybe the description of seven isnt accurate sorry

thats why i didnt use grade levels

[coral summit]

So I should sell Photo, but what would I give Blueprint to?

[zinc karma]

Pray for me so i can get +6 gs jokers

[white zodiac]

wait you have nova not constellation

[coral summit]

Oh

Yeah supernova

[white zodiac]

space or nova

would be the ideal copy

[pale wolf]

supernova means "more than new"

[white zodiac]

thanks zeb

[fading cobalt]

GOD DAMN IT BRO CAN CANIO FUCK OFF

[shell dagger]

supernovia

[crimson carbon]

i love this

[cursive lion]

baron - i personally not a fan, but i mean held in hand xmult is good
idol - again, not a fan, but x2 mult for a hand is good
showman - find copies of jokers you like
dna - create copies of cards you need
throwback - late nah, early solid choice for a casual run
satellite - 9 - 12 dollars per round without any condition outside of upgrading your poker hands is good

[white zodiac]

idk your current scoring situation or planet scaling so I'm limited on advice

[fading cobalt]

Of course when I'm scaling madness

[pale wolf]

why is held in hand xmult good

[white zodiac]

neuron deactivation

[pale wolf]

what are you comparing it to, other xmult?

[winter pike]

whats the tierlist for

[white zodiac]

bad takes tier list

[cursive lion]

xmult is good in general, no?

[cloud sinew]

you have one of the best xmults in the game rated as one of the worst; blackboard

[cloud sinew]

no, not really.

not all xmult is created equal

[pale wolf]

not all xmult is made equal, as held in hand and on-card scoring cant take advantage of +mult jokers

[cursive lion]

that is true

[white zodiac]

space to farm planet levels, nova for safety scoring for when you need it when calculating score per hand to the blind requirements

[hasty harness]

why is blackboard so low 😔

[pale wolf]

and thats v significant bc the +mult scaling jokers are very consistent and therefore are frequent picks

[winter pike]

i didnt even see that

thats diabolical

[white zodiac]

that was the first thing I saw

[hasty harness]

also throwback being in solid is uh 💀

[cursive lion]

is blackboard really that good? i just haven't used it

[white zodiac]

600 hours of missing info

[hasty harness]

yes its really good

[winter pike]

yeah it's x3 for a super easy condition to fulfill

[zinc karma]

+6 gs jokers with no effort lets go
Alright, what deck shoul i do next? I already have red, blue, green, yellow, black, ghost, zodiac and plasma

[cold finch]

Misprint or photo on this build for 2pair

[white zodiac]

it's the second best static x mult joker behind Cavendish simply because of pair lobotomy

[cold finch]

lvl 4

[shell current]

Supernova is maybe the 5th best +mult scaler overall but the retroactive scaling can be huge when it comes up in the ante 3-5 range

[hasty harness]

u dont even need to heavily deck fix for it you can just play pairs and use the other 3 cards in ur hand to remove ur red suits

[winter pike]

even without deckfixing for clubs and spades you can play pairs +3 red cards

[winter pike]

yeah

[pale wolf]

when you're playing small hands its essentially a free 3X

[cloud sinew]

showman is, i believe, the worst joker in the game for A8/Gold Stake and you have it in the top 40 jokers 😭

[pale wolf]

you just need to draw 3 or fewer reds/stones

[white zodiac]

retroactive 💔 30% perishable chance

[hasty harness]

i love supernova because you can play FOR it

like u cant play ride the bus without it for example

[cursive lion]

wait stones don't count?

[hasty harness]

but u can always pick supernova up later yk

[pale wolf]

stones arent spades or clubs

[cursive lion]

i mean fair

[hasty harness]

stones count if they r spaded or clubbed suit im pretty sure

[white zodiac]

thing is I rather have flat mult scaling now rather than later

when I'm finding other stuff

[hasty harness]

nvm ur right im wrong lol

[cloud sinew]

the way blackboard works is the # of spades or clubs needs to match the number of cards you have in hand
stones are not spades or clubs, so this breaks blackboard
if you have 0 cards in hand, you trigger blackboard for this reason because 0 = 0

[cursive lion]

that would honestly be hard to track game wise

[fading cobalt]

They shall fight to the death

[orchid comet]

stones aren't considered wild cards I learned the hard way

[fading cobalt]

What will happen tho I'm curious

[hasty harness]

i was thinking about a roffle example but it was turning a stone into a normal enhancement so that the club that it was would be shown

nvm

[cursive lion]

youch...

[cursive lion]

dragged down by the stone

[lyric shore]

left to right madness dies

[winter pike]

do wild cards work?

[pale wolf]

You can determine a few stone cards suits without using taros anyways

[orchid comet]

madness grabs the knife and starts destroying cards

[hasty harness]

yeah the example i thought of was him having the world and saying it was a misplay by not using it on the stone

[pale wolf]

they are clubs (or spades) so yes

the joker doesnt say "no red suits" it says "all black suits"

[cursive lion]

ancient greece colosseum battle

[hasty harness]

reason is to eventually give it a different enhancement so it doesnt mess blackboard up (it was a red suited stone card with a blue seal)

[fading cobalt]

Yep

[white zodiac]

debuffed red suit wilds deactivate blackboard

[winter pike]

makes sense, i always assumed it was no red suits

[hasty harness]

also why is mrbones in best of the best