🕹・game-discussion

[unreal island]

So autlmafixally bad

[narrow wadi]

i genuinely cannot think of who the cat dude is lol, and i have insane hours on the game

[rancid widget]

-1000/10 ragebait

[quartz ember]

true

[somber nebula]

do i go full hit the road mode?

[unreal island]

Umm it is my true opinon

[rancid widget]

the cat dude has no connection to hollow knight dw

[unreal island]

Yeah

Do it

[narrow wadi]

thank god lol, i was worried there was something i didn't know

[unreal island]

High card supernova

[rancid widget]

lmao if i know everything about the game after 150 then you defo seen everything in 2000

[narrow wadi]

tbf i only found out about the mantis lords lifeblood room like 3 weeks ago

[wintry ice]

there are no cats in hollow knight

[violet bear]

Woah hollow knight talk

[wintry ice]

shit game nine sols is better (i have never played the latter)

[narrow wadi]

i learned a new secret room 3 weeks ago, i thought i knew everything

[rancid widget]

....there's a lifeblood room at mantis lords?

[violet bear]

Yep

[narrow wadi]

u need crystal dash lol

[wintry ice]

or jump up there after the arena goes back to normal

[rancid widget]

if i have to guess its above the gate that gets opened so like you're probably supposed to climb up the closed door

[quartz ember]

what are all these new balatro cards

[narrow wadi]

i feel dumb lol, i didn't think of that

[rancid widget]

hey can i dm you for a bit

[narrow wadi]

sure

[violet bear]

Not even, you can get it with some tricky movement involving jumps and slashes

Or upslash iirc

[somber nebula]

why my cards are... you know

[wintry ice]

erm

[tepid skiff]

That one challenge

[somber nebula]

its painted deck

[violet bear]

The wheel took over balatro 😔

[somber nebula]

wheel is so strong its permanent

[pine swift]

Spent over 700$ but boss blind is just shuffling between only 5 blinds there is no serpent. Anyone knows why?

[plain wharf]

iirc thunk has said something like the mime trick (where you move your jokers before a hand wins lets you copy mime with blueprint brainstorm) isn't appropriate for the game, something something QTE

wouldn't the same apply to grabbing a joker before amber acorn shuffles them?

[somber nebula]

strenght animation fliped it and cards are the same on both sides

[tepid skiff]

Ante 8 16 24 32 are big boss blinds

[pale wolf]

yes

[pine swift]

Ohh. Thanks for the info

[plain wharf]

i wonder if that might also one day get patched out

[wintry ice]

deselecting your cards when acorn shuffles them sounds like it would be fine

it's currently a non-issue

[somber nebula]

its getting worst

[wintry ice]

what

ehat mods are you using for the game to act like this

[pale wolf]

its called modded problems

lol

[dreamy creek]

this is perfectlly normal wdym

[violet bear]

If you do the drag cheese, acorn should be able to leave balatro and come up at you irl to flip you over and shuffle your bones around

[hallow bolt]

im a little concerned cuz i dont think i can beat ante 24 without an ecto soon, is there anything i can do?

[quartz ember]

find ecto

possibly if you get bean A24 that could do it?

juggle tag

[tepid skiff]

Are you playing full hands of steel?

[buoyant fog]

I will not be taking questions

[balmy ridge]

ante 5 with 18 kings in deck. lol

full deck not remaining**

[wintry ice]

question

[buoyant fog]

sure go ahead

[rugged umbra]

TRUE

[hallow bolt]

oh good idea

[wintry ice]

i don't think castle should be that low

[buoyant fog]

its really the worst chip joker in the game

[hallow bolt]

i just checked a score calculator, i need a full hand of steel + 1 extra hand size which idk how to get

[wintry ice]

i don't think i've seen anyone rank it lower than square

[wintry ice]

how?

[desert quiver]

I opened a soul card and I got chicot. I thought it was ass but it actually allowed me to get past ante 8.

[buoyant fog]

I feel no need to explain myself

[hallow bolt]

scaling chip? probably better than square

but all scaling chip is good

[buoyant fog]

true, but castle is the worst of them

[desert quiver]

I think jokers also depend on what you like to play.

[tepid skiff]

Noooo jolly joker

[buoyant fog]

very inconvienient compared to other scaling chips jokers

[wintry ice]

how is it worse than sly, for example when it's realistic ceiling is much higher?

[balmy ridge]

?????????????

i like castle

[lyric shore]

somehow pants is better than yorick

[wintry ice]

it's better when you don't force flushes i guess

[uncut slate]

wait i NEED the sonic pack

[quartz ember]

its very convenient because you may not need to spend any money on it

[buoyant fog]

ur allowed to LOL personally for me I prefer square

[desert quiver]

Chad only being above average is kinda crazy.

[wintry ice]

castle objectively scales faster

[uncut slate]

this list sucks what why is my goat the obelisk so low

[buoyant fog]

"somehow" its litcherally the best joker in the game

[desert quiver]

Perkeo.

[buoyant fog]

bro likes the most useless rare in the entire game

[wintry ice]

given that the existance of blackboard already makes you want to turn all light suit into dark suits

[quartz ember]

wait i see the problem

[wintry ice]

castle plays well into that

[uncut slate]

obelisk is incredibly strong and usually a free win when i see it

[quartz ember]

bro doesnt discard

[lyric shore]

loyalty above cav

[quartz ember]

look at rebate

[wintry ice]

what is rebate doing anywhere but S tier

[signal frigate]

It offers alot of utility so I think above average is impressive for a common

[buoyant fog]

okay I'll admit that was an oversight

[lyric shore]

baron above blackboard

[buoyant fog]

I should've changed it but I'm tires asf

Baron is ass

[lyric shore]

was ur monitor on when you made it

[buoyant fog]

jk

[signal frigate]

Idol being above average is VERY questionable

[wintry ice]

loyalty is one of the most inconsistent xmult jokers in the game

[uncut slate]

rebate is your favorite joker's favorite joker

[buoyant fog]

blackboard is ass

[lyric shore]

?

[wintry ice]

idol should go down to F tier

[wintry ice]

?

[somber nebula]

hook usefull

[wintry ice]

how is it ass

[buoyant fog]

It's so useful for easy 1.5x mult for many different hands

[quartz ember]

jacked build

[tardy vigil]

Credit card is free money upfront

[buoyant fog]

by being a pain in the ass to get ur hand to only have spades and clubs

[safe moat]

Here’s a decision

[signal frigate]

Yeah like, 1 in 50 cards usually

[buoyant fog]

such a psychotic joker

[lyric shore]

click the red cards and play them

[wintry ice]

how?

[signal frigate]

It's not great, it takes too long to get online

[tardy vigil]

With green deck, there is basically 0 downside

[safe moat]

Campfire is only upgraded once so I’m not going to have consistent enough scoring with the money I have

[calm sapphire]

idol is dogshit

[buoyant fog]

least condesending blackboard enjoyer

[calm sapphire]

never useful

[lyric shore]

it isnt hard to activate every hand 😭

[wintry ice]

do you have an explanation about how it's annoying to play

[calm sapphire]

if idol was any worse i'd think localthunk was making a joke

[buoyant fog]

its quite inconvienient

[wintry ice]

smaller hands are greatly encouraged so getting rid of warm suits is free

[quartz ember]

with green deck

now see thats the problem isnt it, noone plays green deck

[summer jay]

Idol is only useful when you've deck fixed to hell and back

[lyric shore]

whats your most played hand just curious

[carmine ore]

Anyone know when the update is coming so I can actually complete runs and unlock jokers ?

[calm sapphire]

yea bro and idol isnt

[buoyant fog]

how is it not obvious

[signal frigate]

Blackboard is amazing

[calm sapphire]

very smart

[signal frigate]

It's easy to get multiple of the same suits

[wintry ice]

flushes?

[lyric shore]

it's gotta be flush 💔

[calm sapphire]

blackboard is one of the best cards in the whole ass game

[summer jay]

Redboard when

[quartz ember]

some time in the future

[buoyant fog]

2 pair bro

[wintry ice]

that's the only hand that has trouble with playing blackboard

[wintry ice]

trousers is usually used with pairs for scoring so

[buoyant fog]

2 pair is the best hand in the game

[calm sapphire]

trolling

[signal frigate]

It's pairs but I suppose you enjoy pair of pants alot

[balmy ridge]

they call me a toilet the way i be flushing

[summer jay]

Half joker neglect

[carmine ore]

Real helpful that 👏🏻

[wintry ice]

what makes them better than pairs

[signal frigate]

I HEAVILY question Madness being F tier

[sudden skiff]

Any tips on how to beat golden stake? Planning to beat golden stake when I get home

[buoyant fog]

respectfully disagree, pair is a close 2nd

[wintry ice]

what does two pair offer that pair doesn't?

[signal frigate]

Econ is everything, keep a stable econ

[summer jay]

Two

[buoyant fog]

Ah yes, the joker that never lets you reliably hold onto other jokers

[signal frigate]

Pair allows for so much freedom than 2 pair

[buoyant fog]

aura

[signal frigate]

Have you never played Gold Stake before???

[wintry ice]

so nothing?

[buoyant fog]

Yes I beat it very recently

[quartz ember]

i know right, but its the truth

[calm sapphire]

buddy are you new to the game?

6% winrate ahh

[lyric shore]

oh hes got 1 gs win

[buoyant fog]

you are 13 years old and therefore useless to the world

[summer jay]

The non-eternal player

[buoyant fog]

also you live in bumfuck iowa

[quartz ember]

guys what're you doing

[buoyant fog]

like don't talk to me

[quartz ember]

just chill it out

[unreal iron]

what the hell

[signal frigate]

Eternal jokers never get destroyed

[calm sapphire]

you have an underdeveloped brain buddy

[somber nebula]

i can jack better with 5 joker slots

[calm sapphire]

grown ass adult btw

[wintry ice]

i still don't know how blackboard is inconvenient

[unreal iron]

chat maybe chill a little bit?

[buoyant fog]

I was keeping things respectful

[uncut slate]

i am a surgeon

[unreal iron]

medium...

[lyric shore]

does 2pair even struggle with bboard that much

[wintry ice]

maybe two pair can't be played with warm suits due to some oversight

[buoyant fog]

bro was instigating shit not me

[signal frigate]

I'd put Madness at a solid A cuz of it's consistent mult scale

[wintry ice]

eh

[lyric shore]

jus asked your experience

[signal frigate]

You get it Ante 1, you're pretty much set, just pick a hand and then find any good eternals

[unreal iron]

needing to find good eternals can be an absolute pain a lot of the times

[buoyant fog]

Yeah but they can be such a risk to take

[unreal iron]

B tier

at best

[unreal iron]

also thats just not true imo

[wintry ice]

with how fast madness scales your standards can be at bedrock and you'd win

[signal frigate]

That's the point

Madness is a risky joker to take

But the payoff is satisfying

[unreal iron]

eternal rental sly joker... (its chips value chat)

[buoyant fog]

yeah but like what if all my good jokers are not eternal and I get madness LOL

[signal frigate]

Unironically, that can actually work

[unreal iron]

then dont buy madness to begin with

??

[buoyant fog]

Like its such a run ruiner for only 1.5x more mult

[buoyant fog]

exactly

[signal frigate]

You can beat the game on goldstake WITHOUT any jokers

[buoyant fog]

thats what I'm saying

[signal frigate]

Having one joker is good enough

[buoyant fog]

yeah but like

[unreal iron]

yeah but madness is still really REALLY fucking good even getting it by ante 3

[signal frigate]

Plus, you can plan around that

[buoyant fog]

I don't wanna do that

[lyric shore]

wdym 1.5x more mult

[wintry ice]

then you don't take it

[unreal iron]

preparing for it with eternals isnt the play

[signal frigate]

It doesn't eat jokers on boss blinds

[unreal iron]

it just comes

[wintry ice]

not every joker works with every setup

[buoyant fog]

isnt it 1.5x per destroyed joker?

[calm sapphire]

no

[unreal iron]

1.5x per round

[calm sapphire]

it scales no matter what

[lyric shore]

per small and big blind

[signal frigate]

No, it JUST destroys jokers, it gains mult no matter what

[unreal iron]

it doesnt need to eat

[wintry ice]

what is agate going to do in a pair build for example

[buoyant fog]

what

[signal frigate]

Per small and big blind

[buoyant fog]

it doesnt need to destroy a joker

[unreal iron]

0.5 woops

[buoyant fog]

to gain mult

[calm sapphire]

it doest

[signal frigate]

It doesn't gain mult or destroy a joker on bossblind

[calm sapphire]

doesnt

[unreal iron]

it doesnt

[buoyant fog]

ookay that changes things

[wintry ice]

this is why you play the game before making a ranking

[signal frigate]

I don't blame you for mistaking that

[past hull]

Por favor balatro balatrez deja de jugar blasphemous

[buoyant fog]

brother quit being a dick

[unreal iron]

BURNT TO A CRISP

[wintry ice]

ok

[buoyant fog]

it doesnt say that shit directly

[signal frigate]

Should I make a tier list so you guys can tear me apart for having an opinion too?

[unreal iron]

hell yes

[wintry ice]

maybe

[buoyant fog]

like it isnt obvious is doesnt need to destroy a joker

[signal frigate]

Well, I'll do that in a bit then

[tepid skiff]

7 mult sometimes

[unreal iron]

speculative onyx

[signal frigate]

I suggest playing more runs and actually being open minded and take jokers you think are bad

[buoyant fog]

Onyx agate pretty good early game

[untold loom]

hi

[signal frigate]

Almost every joker in this game has a potential

[signal frigate]

It's up to you to reach it

[wintry ice]

onyx makes flushes viable

[cedar shell]

and nothing worth copying bruh

[unreal iron]

anything +mult is good enough early tbf

[buoyant fog]

possibly

[calm sapphire]

I give your ranking a solid 4/10

[buoyant fog]

heres the thing

[minor portal]

tier list..... idol bloodstone baron stinky

[buoyant fog]

I still like most all of the jokers

[signal frigate]

Gold Stake is all about making the most of what you have even out of a bad situation

[unreal iron]

i mean 2nd carto or pants is

very good

[buoyant fog]

like even the worst ones are still pretty useful at times

[unreal iron]

you have 2 rounds to find jokers too

[buoyant fog]

but I personally go for a 2 pair build at any opportunity imaginable

[cedar shell]

theoretically i have the whoe run

its negative

[buoyant fog]

not even joking

[unreal iron]

but pair spam is meta

why

[mild scaffold]

And not making risky choices

[signal frigate]

The stuff I'm questioning you about is Blackboard and Madness aswell as Idol

[buoyant fog]

I make my own meta

[unreal iron]

you do two pair on decks you cant spam pair in as easily

[cedar shell]

wait did someone drop a tierlist

someone reply to it pleeease

[unreal iron]

strush meta when

flush house??

[signal frigate]

Idol is considered one of the worst rares because of how slow it is

[signal frigate]

And the capacity to just fucking kill your run

[unreal iron]

not even a rare </3

[cedar shell]

idol is uncommon

[mild scaffold]

Idol is an endless joker

[buoyant fog]

idk man its one me quite a few runs

[signal frigate]

I keep forgetting it's uncommon

[cedar shell]

someone show me the tier list i beg

[wintry ice]

baron isn't in F tier

[signal frigate]

Not an evidence of it's viability

[violet bear]

I’m so fucking dumb i threw a squareman pants burglar run to greed a blue seal into the wall by 3k points

[unreal iron]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAT

[signal frigate]

I'd also put Card Sharp at A tier ngl

[unreal iron]

castle in f is CRIMINAL

MY GOD

[violet bear]

Based

[signal frigate]

I can see you love pair of pants

[cedar shell]

obelisk d tier?????

[signal frigate]

Mail in Rebate being "average" is hilarious to me

[buoyant fog]

also baron was in c tier btw

[tepid skiff]

Just noticed bloodstone is above rough gem

[buoyant fog]

not f tier

[cedar shell]

baron c tier?????

[minor portal]

why is erosion in A tier

[buoyant fog]

baron is pretty okay

[cedar shell]

baron is NOT okay

[signal frigate]

It's on the same vein as Idol

[buoyant fog]

thin decks are awesome and so is erosion

[unreal iron]

vexing shop here...

oh god

[signal frigate]

It takes too much effort and too many risk for it to be consistently viable

[cedar shell]

rebate is not average it is one of the best jokers literally ever

[unreal iron]

i wanna pair spam and afford telescope probably

[winter pike]

splash in average

[buoyant fog]

rebate any day of the week

[signal frigate]

Erosion is good but not great imo

[quartz ember]

erosion is good (only you dont get to use it very often)

[floral delta]

20 cards deck is one of the 2 achievements I haven't unlocked yet

[signal frigate]

A thin deck is a good deck

[buoyant fog]

yeah, its pretty average

[cedar shell]

splash is below average for me

[buoyant fog]

good for maybe 2 or 3 antes in most cases

[winter pike]

its pretty shit is what it is

[signal frigate]

Splash is a nothing burger

[floral delta]

works nicely with green joker

[signal frigate]

It's something you never want

[buoyant fog]

eh, theres definitely worse

[floral delta]

if you use high cards

[cedar shell]

any usefulness splash brings gets fucking obliterated when you pick up rtb

[signal frigate]

It's maybe the worst of the commons

[floral delta]

my favorite +mult still remains spare trousers

[minor portal]

campfire being in the same tier as odd todd is definitely an opinion

[signal frigate]

I'm most likely wrong

Because there's alot of commons

[buoyant fog]

odd todd is the goat

[winter pike]

theres extremely few use cases for it and it does very very little when it does anything

[signal frigate]

And this

[signal frigate]

Why is Campfire that low?

[buoyant fog]

it gets me places most of the time

[cedar shell]

my favorite xmult is campfire and its not close

high a tier minimum

[floral delta]

for xmult I think mine's obvious

[signal frigate]

Odd Todd being in the same tier as Photochad makes me laugh

[thorny garnet]

Baron is way better then idol because there are actual lines where you can realistically transition into baron which isnt the case for idol on a non endless run

[floral delta]

incantation + hologram gives a huge +1xmult

[signal frigate]

That is true

[buoyant fog]

honestly it took everything in me not to put photo in weak

[signal frigate]

But what I meant is the time they get to go onlime

[thorny garnet]

baron is dogshit but idol is extra dogshit

[cedar shell]

well its not in the same tier as photochad, its in the same tier as photograph and chad (shouldnt be in the same tier as chad but photo is justifiable)

[buoyant fog]

you had me in the first half

[signal frigate]

Photo by itself is weak

I'd put it there too

[quartz ember]

I absolutely love the clusterfuck every time someone posts a tier list

[signal frigate]

But if we're putting it's best enabler together

[floral delta]

Madness is only true below Black Stake

[signal frigate]

I'd say it's way above average

It's giga strong with Chad, we all know that

[buoyant fog]

even then....

[cedar shell]

chad is above sock tbh

[floral delta]

and even then

its not hard to scale nicely with just that

[signal frigate]

Consistent mult for almost zero downsides in higher stakes, what's not to appreciate??

[floral delta]

and planets

[signal frigate]

And Blue seals being extremely powerful

You can just fill your deck with nothing but blue seals

And win

[thorny garnet]

i dont like rating jokers though because if a joker is good or not is almost purely run dependent outside of some edge cases like blueprint

[buoyant fog]

"almost zero downsides" the downside being my jokers might be destroyed

[winter pike]

me and my eternals

[signal frigate]

I think it's the value that should be rated, not the joker itself

[floral delta]

thats why you buy eternals

[cedar shell]

loyalty card lmao

[minor portal]

should have been eternal

[buoyant fog]

okay like I said that was a mistake

[signal frigate]

Again, that's only because you play below Black stake

[buoyant fog]

loyalty shouldve been bottom of that teir

[signal frigate]

Loyalty is also funny yeah

[minor portal]

loyalty card definitely the goat trust

[buoyant fog]

brother I am going for C++

[floral delta]

and madness has the potential of "this decks a mess but still can win gold stake"

[cedar shell]

i like rating jokers based on the amount of scenarios in which they are likely to find value, like cavendish or blueprint

[buoyant fog]

I beat gold stake while never using madness

[signal frigate]

Then I suppose you should give it a shot more often

[buoyant fog]

WHY

I WILL NOT

[signal frigate]

You can full skip for it so it doesn't kill a joker

It won't kill in bossblinds

[minor portal]

but then it won't... get mult

[signal frigate]

C++'s whole shtick is for you to try out every single goddamn joker in the game

[winter pike]

then it doesnt scale

?

[thorny garnet]

thats a decent way to rate it

[signal frigate]

That's their problem with it

[buoyant fog]

Yeah lemme just skip every tag I'll surely win that way /lh

[minor portal]

Madness but I keep it because it looks cool

[signal frigate]

You can also do that just to gold chip it

Ante 1 madness for me is an insta take

[buoyant fog]

I think my life is better off never using madness

[desert quiver]

Madness should be able to be added together when one destroys another.

[thorny garnet]

i need madness to appear when it's relevant and not ante 6 when all my eternals are dogshit

[floral delta]

some of the Cs are strong af imo

[buoyant fog]

see that was a hard one for me

[signal frigate]

The situation where it's good is REALLY good

[desert quiver]

What should happen when you get two eternal madnesses?

[minor portal]

jimbo c tier

[thorny garnet]

yeah madness scales like crazy

[floral delta]

jimbo is S+

[somber nebula]

easy win

[winter pike]

why is mystic summit so much further below abstract and michael when they're all +15

[heavy heron]

SIGH…………….

[minor portal]

hit the road jack should be higher!!

[somber nebula]

hex fool

[floral delta]

can imagine yellow deck having eternal madness first shop

[heavy heron]

you’re so right

[signal frigate]

Win.

[floral delta]

and also ankh in a spectral

[thorny garnet]

but every time i see a madness its either too late, picking it up might insta kill me or i just dont have the eternals to lean on it

[buoyant fog]

because mystic summit comes with a very annoying caviat and doesn't even give good enough mult to be that helpful

[haughty carbon]

Hex the invis joker

[buoyant fog]

I like how nobody disagreed with space joker or showmans placement LMAO

I thought those would fs be controversial

[minor portal]

the annoying caveat of using your discards

[thorny garnet]

mystic summits downside barely matters you're playing pairs by default

[desert quiver]

I feel like madness + riffraff is a pretty good combo.

[buoyant fog]

yeah but using all of them

[heavy heron]

aahahahaha

[minor portal]

space joker SUCKS!!!!!

[winter pike]

no reason to be that much lower though

[brave goblet]

I took all your space joker procs

[winter pike]

lower, sure

[buoyant fog]

like its a failsafe joker that isnt even a good failsafe

[brave goblet]

It was me

[winter pike]

two tiers lower no

[minor portal]

speculative functioning space joker

[signal frigate]

Imma go make a Joker tierlist

Having done c++ in two profiles

I think I'm qualified for an opinion

[grizzled jetty]

is the ghost deck good?

[winter pike]

yes

[buoyant fog]

negative blueprint copying blueprint copying space joker copying holo brainstorm

[winter pike]

i would say so

[buoyant fog]

still doesnt trigger more than once per hand

[winter pike]

i had an oops and spaceman once

he went 17/17

[thorny garnet]

you're discarding for value generators which means you can just burn all your discards before you actually play a hand with mystic summit. gros michel on rhe other hand can just leave you when you still need jt lol

[buoyant fog]

gros michel leaving is a blessing in disguise tho

because of chance of cavendish

[thorny garnet]

not if it kills you

[buoyant fog]

Yeah but, c'est la vie

[winter pike]

when you rate michael do you rate michael with the fact that him dying can get you cavendish in mind

[minor portal]

tbf if you're only surviving because of gros you aren't doing too well to begin with

[buoyant fog]

like 25% yea

[thorny garnet]

i do and while Cavendish is super strong it doesn't make up for the fact michel can just leave you

[buoyant fog]

but also the vibes of gros are immaculate

therefore, great joker

[winter pike]

fair enough

[buoyant fog]

one more thing that surpised me

[thorny garnet]

imo mystic summit > abstract > michel

[buoyant fog]

do people actually fw stone joker?

I thought I was the only one

[winter pike]

i dont

[buoyant fog]

I see

[pale wolf]

stone joker is okay i guess

[thorny garnet]

hard to hate too much on stone joker when it gives me chips

[buoyant fog]

its really only good for the specific usecase of stonemaxxing, but I think middle c tier was decent enough

only takes 8 stone cards for 100 chips too

[pale wolf]

my thing is that i wont build a ton of stones unless I'm playing them, and if im playing them i dont feel like i need the chips from stone joker

[buoyant fog]

I personally love chip maxxing

chips are overlooked by many players

[pale wolf]

if youve just been getting tower after tower it can be a fine choice

[winter pike]

i just saw faceless in f

[pale wolf]

was it an alphabetized list lol

[buoyant fog]

yes

[winter pike]

nope

[buoyant fog]

faceless worst econ joker

[winter pike]

how high are you

[buoyant fog]

I hate using discards for anything else than fishing for my desired hand

[shell current]

Stone joker is in a really awkward spot because by the time you have 8 stones 100 chips is usually less than a x2

[pale wolf]

so rebate sucks too?

this is a trap question btw

[winter pike]

they put rebate in c

[buoyant fog]

nah rebate is pretty decent

[pale wolf]

thats criminal

[buoyant fog]

idc man, my logic is still sound

[thorny garnet]

you shouldn't be using discards for your desired hand most of the time. you're playing pairs by default

you almost always have a pair in hand

[shell current]

Whereas steel joker (my goat) has a floor of x1.2 and with & steel cards is x2.6

[winter pike]

id rather lose than play pairs every run

icl

[buoyant fog]

best econ joker is rocket, then cloud nine

[untold loom]

https://youtu.be/M-5vvHLshTQ

[pale wolf]

id rather win than lose

[untold loom]

I sux

[buoyant fog]

is this self promo

[winter pike]

fair enough

[shell current]

Has to be bait

[thorny garnet]

two pairs is less fun then pairs, flushes suck balls and i will not play straights

[buoyant fog]

BRO WHAT

ROCKET IS SO GOOD

[pale wolf]

no theyre just a donny kurniawan discord superfan account

[buoyant fog]

LITERALLY FREE MONEY NO CATCH

[buoyant fog]

I see

[winter pike]

i dont dislike pairs i just will not play them every run

[thorny garnet]

i play what the run gives me most of the time

[buoyant fog]

I agree with everything but the 2 pair thing

[thorny garnet]

which is usually pairs

[buoyant fog]

straights? more like straight ass

idc how good it scales

don't matter if they're hard as hell to get

[heavy heron]

bro god help me

[balmy ridge]

whoever said dont take negative skips

[shell current]

Shortcut is a better scaling joker than pants if you have blue seal or telescope

[cosmic sun]

balatro player fell for highroll again award

[buoyant fog]

I wanted so badly to put vagabond in F

but I stopped myself

[abstract rivet]

Shortcut also fun with runner

[heavy heron]

5 queens in bottom 16 cards

crazy

[abstract rivet]

Makes it easier to play 2-3 straights in a game

[thorny garnet]

i love runner because it allows me to pivot into pairs :^)

[buoyant fog]

you'll all see someday

the 2 pair will be respected

[pseudo surge]

first run of the day and i got a nat neg blueprint on ante 1 we up

[heavy heron]

it already is

[pale wolf]

you shouldnt need to play more than one straight per round if thats what your scoring hand is

[abstract rivet]

Runner lets you pivot with obelisk

[buoyant fog]

and you'll all realize just how much you've been missing out on

[heavy heron]

highest chips scaling hand that’s easy to find

[cosmic sun]

trousers is a pair joker and you've been cucked this whole time

[shell current]

I like 2 pair on black deck and plasma

[cosmic sun]

🚬

[buoyant fog]

how

how is it pair joker

[pale wolf]

2pair is respected, its better than pair on black and plasma imo

[buoyant fog]

its a pairs joker

a 2 pairs

[heavy heron]

where my venus lovers

(this excludes me)

[pale wolf]

It's not a two-pair Joker because if you level up two pair then you get less scaling and lose the game overall

[cosmic sun]

scale trousers -> put levels into pairs

[buoyant fog]

true, but sometimes people act so disrespectful towards it

[pale wolf]

You level up pairs so that you can combine the scaling of both planets and the trousers optimally

[minor portal]

no one loves your venus

[heavy heron]

i like venus but to deck fix to venus just means you might as well go 4 or 5–

excuse me

[buoyant fog]

You need to be put in a supermax prison for life

/srs

[pale wolf]

God I hate it when people give me consistent game strategies

[cosmic sun]

locked up for telling the truth

smh

[heavy heron]

venus hater i see

[viral raft]

"Discards are bad!!" and then you see the same mfs playing Rebate and using discards to Purple seals

[pale wolf]

just let me match the words to the words and mindlessly play

if it says two pair I'm leveling two pair I don't care what you guys say you guys are dumb and probably have no win rate

[buoyant fog]

purple seals do be goated

[pale wolf]

[cosmic sun]

meanwhile the conversation above is "runner is a pair joker"

[heavy heron]

tbf nobody said this

[minor portal]

I yearn for mars

[cosmic sun]

💀

[heavy heron]

there’s a secret planet out there they call it planet x, i like it more

[pale wolf]

if it says straight I'm leveling straight you guys are crazy

[buoyant fog]

sure but what about ur whimsy rate huh?

mine is a grillion

[viral raft]

if you're making pivot yeah

[terse vale]

basically yeah

[winter pike]

i have no joy and whimsy

[buoyant fog]

runner pivot makes infinitely more sense since straights are ass

[cosmic sun]

whats funnier than findign out everything is pair

that's whimsy right there

[thorny garnet]

whimsy is playing flushes and missing my flush draw

[terse vale]

whateva u say

[violet bear]

Discards haters when i tell them they get to dig 10-15 extra cards per round to find blue seals and gold cards and maybe get 5$ per card

[pale wolf]

no, runner pivot makes sense because if you were going to play straights as your main scoring hand then you would level up Saturn and have way more chips than you need anyways

[minor portal]

gross.... playing five cards

[heavy heron]

people just say runner is a pair joker because the chips you gain are permanent and unconditional but it’s understandable why a lot of people (like me) just keep going straights to infinitely scale it + straights are good anyway

[cosmic sun]

least credible x react

[thorny garnet]

because it is

[heavy heron]

you’re right how gross of me

[buoyant fog]

just use runner for chips max and level up 2 pair as ur side hoe

[cosmic sun]

atp you dump runner

[buoyant fog]

easy win

[cosmic sun]

if you play straights

[pale wolf]

The reason for leveling up two pairs usually to compensate for chips as well so doesn't seem good to me

[heavy heron]

the top 4 chatters in this chat believe that the only hand that exists in this game is pairs so yea

[shell current]

With blue seal 100% but without blue seal or telescope the natural rate of finding planet cards can usually line up in a way that lets you play exactly 4 2p per round rather than needing to finish with a pair

[minor portal]

four card supremacy

[buoyant fog]

Yeah I mean I'm just saying shit tbh, I really dont use runner like at all

[terse vale]

who saying that

[buoyant fog]

at least not if I can help it

[heavy heron]

i don’t know who saying that

[heavy heron]

me neither

[cosmic sun]

idk tribalism

[heavy heron]

i see a runner and dip if it isn’t ante 1

[minor portal]

four fingers the goat

[buoyant fog]

I prefer to use the bull much more

[pale wolf]

top 4 chatters by... what 😰 not message count i hope

[heavy heron]

who knows😳

[heavy heron]

i like bull but i feel bad every time i spend money

[cosmic sun]

this but for pairs

[buoyant fog]

guys I've been up since 6pm yesterday

[heavy heron]

it’s like liking ramen but you feel bad for discarding

even though you sometimes have to

[buoyant fog]

true

[cosmic sun]

pair goes in the square hole

[pale wolf]

fuck this is good

[buoyant fog]

but like as rocket and bull are the dream pairing

[pale wolf]

I'm going to edit this real quick

[buoyant fog]

full house a secret goat tbh

[thorny garnet]

full house is trolling its not even close

[winter pike]

i detest full house so much

[shell current]

This explains the tierlist

[buoyant fog]

just use trio and duo

[cosmic sun]

full house is just a metaphor for how we lived in a fucked up world

[buoyant fog]

No you can't

[viral raft]

Full house worst poker hand

[viral raft]

Cinema

[buoyant fog]

these are my opinions regardless of that

[fervent wolf]

Ggs

[violet bear]

Ante 8 build full, endless build flush (house)

[buoyant fog]

also I stay up like this every day because of my work

[heavy heron]

flush house is pretty hard to build around

[buoyant fog]

I will admit 11am is a bit late for me to go to bed

[viral raft]

full in both are worst because with flush i guess you can bloodstone

[buoyant fog]

true

[viral raft]

or AJ

[violet bear]

Suspicious but fair enough

[heavy heron]

full house should easily gain 3 mult per planet instead of 2

[violet bear]

I see the niche

[buoyant fog]

I picked 5oak out of spite

[viral raft]

yeah, but his scaling is great, like Straight Flush, hard but with a great reward if you make a build

[buoyant fog]

5oak did me dirty on 2 seperate gold stake runs

[cosmic sun]

i was on mobile (least spoonfed low stakes run)

[fervent wolf]

Blo*dstone is bad

[buoyant fog]

it used to be a lot worse

[heavy heron]

flush house has the best planet scaling above any planet in the game but by the time your deck is ready for it, i feel like you’d already be scaling a different planet to the same extent

[viral raft]

RNG joker but i guess witgh retriggers "works"

[buoyant fog]

remember when it was 1 in 4 chance for 2x mult

[thorny garnet]

i really want localthunk to unfuck bloodstone

[heavy heron]

my deck is finally ready for flush house except my full house is level 13 already whoops

[cosmic sun]

diminishing returns xmult the more scoring cards are in your played hand

[fervent wolf]

Yes, I had bl00dstone to Sticker tho

[buoyant fog]

bro I almost won gold stake 2 times witha 5oak build but did not draw my 5 cards on ante 7 boss blind TWICE

[cosmic sun]

as a small fuck you to flushes

[buoyant fog]

flushes are meh

[viral raft]

yeah, something similar happens to 5oak, is a secret planet so you can't actually scale it before, imo Straight flush is better because better jokers and the planet isn't a secret one

[unreal iron]

this MIGHT be a big castle

[heavy heron]

yup… just happened to me

[violet bear]

I have to stop playing today, threw 2 unloseable runs back to back ffs

[buoyant fog]

we cry together

[heavy heron]

yes but building straight flush is criminally rough

[unreal iron]

my deck is indeed full spades

[heavy heron]

unless you’re this guy

[buoyant fog]

using jokers that are "meant for flushes" for other hand types is way better

[shell current]

Honest bloodstone would just say “adds $3 to your temperance value” until you pick up oops!

[buoyant fog]

like ancient for example

[cosmic sun]

question is what should the starting value be if you play a high card heart

[viral raft]

idk i won alot of golds with Straight, is fun if the run is already save and you want to play straights

[unreal iron]

i got 2 sigils that turned EVERYTHING to spades

then a few worlds and a carto

[heavy heron]

i love sigils

[thorny garnet]

they should let bloodstone be fucked up

[violet bear]

Or very early shortcut i feel like

[viral raft]

true

[heavy heron]

straights are good i agree but you were talking about straight flush prior

[buoyant fog]

guys

[heavy heron]

and this is the point i was getting to; it’s criminally rough unless you find shortcut/four fingers or both

[buoyant fog]

whats with the names being one letter with ... after it

whats that mean

[fervent wolf]

Both is op

[thorny garnet]

I'd love if flush got better support jokers to make up for its awful scaling

[heavy heron]

but i promise you if you try to go straight flush the round right after this it won’t work out

like that’s just how this game is

[viral raft]

like i said, is hard but his level scaling could be worthy, obviusly straight is better but straight flush isn't that bad tbh

[buoyant fog]

thats what we in the business call, a trap

[fervent wolf]

I lost this round tho

[buoyant fog]

shortcut 4 fingers is biggest bait of all time

[unreal iron]

painted deck:

[cold finch]

We cooking?

[fervent wolf]

How

[violet bear]

With straight flush you get to farm spectrals which is funny

[heavy heron]

maybe everybody is misinterpreting my words—

[unreal iron]

insane +3 stickers that i did during c++

[heavy heron]

LOOLLL

[unreal iron]

and my only

AND ONLY

strush run

[heavy heron]

i have had several straight flushes runs too

[buoyant fog]

I was gonna say sell cola but realized you probably wanted the sticker

nice job

[shell current]

I enjoy trying to force straight flush on painted deck if I get one of short cut, fingies, or smeared

[unreal iron]

i had to sell my already gold stickered summit...

[buoyant fog]

dang

such is the life of a C++ player

[lament crater]

is there a possible way to port my save from mobile to PC? naturally it doesn't work so i'm here asking for an alternative

[buoyant fog]

one day I'll get there

[cosmic sun]

watch this 4

[buoyant fog]

with only 2 pair builds

[violet bear]

Worth it

[buoyant fog]

and I'll shock the world

[winter pike]

dont think so

[heavy heron]

don’t worry C++ isn’t hard just time consuming

[unreal iron]

funny

[lament crater]

what does the uhhh save editor website actually do

[thorny garnet]

win streak 50 times in a row instead

[unreal iron]

lmfao

[cosmic sun]

least spoonfed baseball run

[unreal iron]

best buddies <3

[thorny garnet]

real balatro heads put their win streak in their username

[unreal iron]

common joker yaoi

[buoyant fog]

lvl 22 two pair gets that in one hand

jk I did not do the math

[shell current]

Just get c++ on mobile and then get c++ again on pc

[minor portal]

-2

[buoyant fog]

I ain't putting 2 in my username 🥀

[lament crater]

uhhh nah.,,,

[cosmic sun]

theres like nothing happened

I think

[winter pike]

you upload your save file then you can edit things then download it then put it back in your game files

[buoyant fog]

This fills me with rage

/srs

[lament crater]

cause i need to port my save from mobile to pc

[thorny garnet]

this is so fucking good

[buoyant fog]

okay guys Imma go to bed now fr

[shell current]

Nvm I’m dumb

[cosmic sun]

gn

[thorny garnet]

you need your steam gamefiles

[violet bear]

And then c++ on the smart fridge monitor

[thorny garnet]

its not piracy

[buoyant fog]

goodnight fellas and felletes and fellthems

[pale wolf]

nah it's porting steam balatro onto another device, not modding the mobile version

[cosmic sun]

oh gee I should edit it to have nothing happened

isn't it like, a windows emulator or something?

[lament crater]

would it be possible to manually edit my pc savefile in a way that it resembles my mobile save?

😭

[cosmic sun]

ok maybe wait for cross save

[lament crater]

i'm willing to do that if its possible

[signal frigate]

Alright, tear me limb from limb

[winter pike]

yes but you dont have your full mobile save

[cosmic sun]

it'll probably be like vamp survivors where you have to make an account

[lament crater]

what would be missing?

[pale wolf]

are you talking Android or Apple

[violet bear]

Vagabond in a, you’re banned

[lament crater]

Android

[winter pike]

number of rounds for consumables and jokers and hands

[signal frigate]

Is it in A?

[pale wolf]

You can go on to Google takeout and request your Google Play games data to get your saved data and Port it to steam, you just can't put it back onto mobile

[winter pike]

number of uses for some planets tarots spectrals

[violet bear]

Yup unless my eyes betray me

[winter pike]

stuff you cant see

[minor portal]

bloodstone in b tier your opinions have been confiscated

[signal frigate]

Wait, why is it in A? I thought I put it at B

[lament crater]

ehhhh that's not really THAT important i think

[signal frigate]

By its own, it's a little inconsistent

[violet bear]

despairfade

[cosmic sun]

flash card above nova and bus is the most laughable thing I have ever seen

[winter pike]

yorick in s trib in c thats all i need to see to say i love you

[minor portal]

It should be lower

[pale wolf]

this is accurate

[signal frigate]

Trib is my favorite joker but it pains me to say, it's the worst

[thorny garnet]

the common +mults deserve to be higher given that often enough theyre the things that carry you pretty damn far

[cosmic sun]

and dagger

lol

[signal frigate]

Favorite LEGENDARY joker

[stiff fjord]

chigoat

[signal frigate]

I think it's appropriate enough for them to not be in F

[wintry ice]

i wouldn't put cat, trio and duo that high

[winter pike]

you probably can do all the important stuff

[cosmic sun]

bootstraps and flash card deserve the gulag

[shell current]

Yeah no I’m stupid lol

[wintry ice]

why is bus that low?

[signal frigate]

They've never let me down in my C++ profiles

[winter pike]

it's my second least favourite

[minor portal]

Banner in c tier

Interesting

[cosmic sun]

tier list just further reinforcing that c++ is not a skill metric 💔

[signal frigate]

On hindsight, that may have been a mistake

[signal frigate]

Absolutely

[river slate]

dice

[signal frigate]

I'm biased and I'm not afraid to show it

[wintry ice]

they still aren't as unconditional or powerful as everything else in that tier

[thorny garnet]

also why is bus that low

[signal frigate]

That maybe true

[pale wolf]

supernova in d is hilarious

[wintry ice]

truly

[torn drift]

red stake is very difficult

[cold finch]

greatest judgement of all. Dont care about no brainstorm, no blueprint, ancient joker. this is the best card to get from judgement period

[signal frigate]

I don't find it that good

[cosmic sun]

face card bias until proven guilty

[pale wolf]

and thats funny

[torn drift]

this game hard af i cant find good jokers

only mid ones

[river slate]

guys i think i can hit the mult on the lucky card

[floral mural]

supernova is just card sharps issue isnt it? getting like massively destroyed by one boss blind

[signal frigate]

You're right, I thought I put it at A

[wintry ice]

wait

[minor portal]

why are your cards negative

[torn drift]

why are ur cards black

[wintry ice]

in what world is trib below photo

[signal frigate]

This needs a bit of fixing because I may have put things out of order on accident

[pale wolf]

tbh c++ is not enough gold games experience

[lament crater]

thats a relief then

[thorny garnet]

probably playing crypid

[river slate]

texture

[floral mural]

if thats d tier whats c. like most jokers have that sort of deadly boss blind for them

[pale wolf]

you dont use every joker multiple times throughout a c++

[river slate]

no it's just a texture

[terse vale]

dont have it in me

[signal frigate]

I put it together, is that not the case?

[winter pike]

photo is in b

trib is in c

[signal frigate]

Where the fuck

[floral mural]

whats mr bones doing in d

[pale wolf]

why are you ignoring my solution

[floral mural]

it saves runs

[wintry ice]

trib is in c while photo is in b

[floral mural]

like luchador

[thorny garnet]

i think you dont have enough experience until you can winstreak tbh

[signal frigate]

You never need it most of the time

[pale wolf]

2 streak?

[terse vale]

why is cert rtb and golden joker in C

[signal frigate]

Just get a Luchadore

[cloud sinew]

it's also a very tailored kind of experience; you aren't playing purely to win, you're playing to win with specific jokers

[thorny garnet]

20 streak

[pale wolf]

christ thats like

[floral mural]

but what if im offered a mr bones and not a luchador

[lament crater]

cause i also found another solution that even allows for pc -> mobile

https://github.com/SoulsNG/BalatroSaves

[cloud sinew]

enough experience for what

[signal frigate]

Okay yeah, I need to fix this, there's some errors that I didn't make on purpose

[pale wolf]

that is violating tos for sure though

[winter pike]

to make a tier list

[signal frigate]

I consider Ride the bus higher than that

[thorny garnet]

enough experience for

[winter pike]

i think they meant

[minor portal]

hit the road in c tier 💔 that's my favorite joker

[floral mural]

you cant discredit a joker by saying another is better youre not getting both offered at once are you? thats rare

[signal frigate]

I consider it the "worst" xmult joker but it's still an Xmult joker

[minor portal]

I just think it's funny

[signal frigate]

If you have to pop Mr bones, you're most likely dying next ante

[cloud sinew]

to make a good tier list or just a tier list?
because I don't think you need any experience to make a tier list

[pale wolf]

Have you ever tried using Mr Bones for value generation

[signal frigate]

Luchadore gets rid of a problem that HALTS your progress

[winter pike]

a good one

[thorny garnet]

i won't call myself good at the video game and act like my opinions are valid until im consistently getting good winstreaks

[shell current]

20 streak on blue/yellow is pretty attainable

[signal frigate]

I suppose no, I'll hear you out though

[pale wolf]

20 is a pretty wild streak

[signal frigate]

That's a decent streak though

[thorny garnet]

its doable

[cloud sinew]

I could get it this week if I went for it but I have other interests right now

[pale wolf]

id wager less than 2000 people have a 20 gold streak

[signal frigate]

I can't really get a good 10 streak because I just throw my head into the wall until I win

My most is closer to 15 though

[thorny garnet]

i also would trust less than 2000 peoples opinion on the video game

[lament crater]

is it?

[floral mural]

mr bones is good its just luchador with a little less consistency

[pale wolf]

modifying mobile game files is against TOS

[floral mural]

a bad boss blind still lets you score some of the score

[cloud sinew]

a streak of 5 at gold stake is already very difficult for like 999/1000 people

[floral mural]

mr bones makes it win

[signal frigate]

Again, I'd rather get rid of a problem that stops my momentum

[thorny garnet]

i don't think im good enough to have strong opinions on the game

[cloud sinew]

what ToS

[winter pike]

terms of service (?)

[signal frigate]

And Mr Bones isn't a guaranteed win either

[pale wolf]

i think you need a 5 streak before you can say how big of a streak is valid for game opinions :^)

[signal frigate]

You can still lose with it

[cloud sinew]

I know what ToS is I'm asking WHICH one

[balmy ridge]

man

[winter pike]

o mb

i cant read

[cloud sinew]

I agree with this

[floral mural]

im just never gonna make a personal tier list because i swear every tier list has personally biased bad rankings ngl

[lament crater]

i would port an unmodified mobile save file to steam tho so i'm not modifying the mobile game's files, no?

[cloud sinew]

that's not how it works

[floral mural]

like its easier to point the best and worst of the jokers than point out the middle of the road

me when situational jokers are situational

[pale wolf]

It's the going back to mobile from steam that's the issue

[cloud sinew]

it works both ways; going from steam to mobile would be modifying mobile

[lament crater]

yes but i wouldn't use it for that purpose

[pale wolf]

I mean not that it matters, but then you can just do the method I sent before and its fully safe

lilo found it

[cloud sinew]

which ToS is this violating

[pale wolf]

I'm assuming google play store's

I've always just assumed that there's some sort of legality issue or terms of service for why you can only discuss steam balatro modding

[pale wolf]

thats ai

[floral mural]

dont use the ai overview in results ever

genuinely

[signal frigate]

Okay I've fixed some errors, doing this shit on mobile is ass

[cloud sinew]

It isn't actually

I went through it

[pale wolf]

thats playstack

😎

[shell current]

I mean like it would very obviously be on the part of playstack because they are in charge of all of the ports

[lament crater]

which are the publishers for the game on mobile

[cloud sinew]

That doesn't mean you have agreed to it

[pale wolf]

i know

I'm good at identifying

[signal frigate]

Surprisingly tame responses from y'all considering my S tier picks lmao

[lament crater]

they automatically apply when you use their website/app

[cloud sinew]

"Your use of apps and games may be governed by the additional terms and conditions of the end user license agreement between you and the Provider."
there is no end user license agreement between you and Playstack

[cloud sinew]

WRONG

[shell current]

Presumably as a legal compliance thing with apple, sony, nintendo who want to keep their platforms locked down

[river slate]

rate this run

[signal frigate]

No Space man

[thorny garnet]

hard to complain too much when I've seen way worse

[river slate]

im looking for him

[signal frigate]

Glad to see I'm more valid

[pure oasis]

good deal in first shop, just couldn't refuse

[pale wolf]

nice

obligatory "mime doesnt 2x parking"

[cloud sinew]

they apply if you have to agree to it to use the app, which you don't.

[signal frigate]

Really good start

[wintry ice]

specially for plasma

[signal frigate]

Does give more money at least

[wintry ice]

where you don't need to worry too much about early scoring

[pale wolf]

yea still a good thing

[river slate]

there we go

[signal frigate]

Would it be better if it did?

[wintry ice]

it's around a 50% increase

[signal frigate]

Actually what am I saying?

[lament crater]

huh

[wintry ice]

parking needs to trigger once for mime to retrigger it

[pale wolf]

yea more money could be seen as a better thing

[pure oasis]

yup, 30 bucks in first 4 hands

[signal frigate]

A guaranteed retrigger would be good

[lament crater]

interesting

[thorny garnet]

if you bought the app the publisher/developer can suck it. it's my copy of the game I'll do with it what i want to do

[unreal iron]

throwback and credit card arent like THAT bad

[cloud sinew]

that's how all EULAs work, and not all games have them.

[signal frigate]

The perfect deck is complete.

[pure oasis]

adrenaline rushes in veins

[unreal iron]

theyre still bad obviously

[signal frigate]

No, they are that bad.

[unreal iron]

but not f tier unpickable

[pale wolf]

realistically yea i dont give a shit about these platform TOS, just that discussion of breaking it on the official discord server is a little nearsighted

[signal frigate]

Credit card, you can make an excuse for at least

[wintry ice]

credit card can be used for better starts and temperance value

[signal frigate]

But Throwback, not alot of excuses

[wintry ice]

throwback is some slight xmult support

[thorny garnet]

the discussion is going to be lost in the sea of messages here like anyway

[wintry ice]

both niches are better than idol and seance

[unreal iron]

credit card can be nice early if you wanna make an expensive purchase
throwback can actually be solid as long as you can scale with the rounds, where 2-3 skips wont hurt you

[signal frigate]

I don't think it's worth skipping an entire shop

[unreal iron]

i did a throwback run once

with blueprint and generic chips +mult

[signal frigate]

Where you could just invest in something else

[pale wolf]

credit card is luchador for early economy

[cloud sinew]

I don't even understand how it works from mobile -> steam because the save files aren't formatted the same

[wintry ice]

it needs you to just skip once for investment early on

[pale wolf]

huh? how does balatrostats understand it then

[lament crater]

but you do agree to the store's (google play store/steam/apple app store) binding legal contract by buying/downloading the app

those platform agreements all contain clauses that "pass through" the publisher's terms to you. by agreeing to google play's terms, you are also agreeing to be bound by the EULAs or TOS of the specific games you download, in this case, Playstack's.

[signal frigate]

That's a valid argument

[cloud sinew]

because that information is very similar, but not all of it is

[signal frigate]

But I'm not moving it's tier

I still think it's one of the worse xmult jokers

[cloud sinew]

no it doesn't

[cloud sinew]

you don't understand what you're talking about.
"Your use of apps and games may be governed by the additional terms and conditions of the end user license agreement between you and the Provider."
the Provider being the Publisher

may be governed

[signal frigate]

Why are we talking about Eula? This ain't Genshin Impact

Though since nobody reads tos, it's not a necessity to follow it no?

You're still agreeing to it

[cloud sinew]

if you agree to it and don't follow it then you're in breach of contract

[acoustic kettle]

You guys don't read the EULAs?

[signal frigate]

That's true

[signal frigate]

You mean to tell me nobody reads the 10 page document detailing why you should follow this specific contract?

[shell current]

Vamp and dagger in C are the only ones that feel way off

[acoustic kettle]

You know

When you accept it

You have to read it first

Smh

[river slate]

do i have to sell a oops?

[signal frigate]

Vamp isn't terrible but it's surprisingly weak

And Dagger for me is a hit or miss