🕹・game-discussion

[acoustic kettle]

Also you can dig for rebate cards more aggressively than faceless cards

[shell current]

You can get $20 from rebate with 2 discards but you can only ever get $5 per discard on faceless

[left juniper]

Rebate just works and gives more. You need to put in the work for Golden Ticket to be better. That's my point

[uncut slate]

yes but you're not likely to get $20 in an unfixed deck

max value is obviously higher on the rebate but expected should be equal

[solid tapir]

wasn't the question for a fixed deck

[shell current]

Not likely is better than structurally impossible

[frank raft]

im just saying in terms of ceiling for how good an econ joker is

[uncut slate]

but the ev is the same is my point

[frank raft]

but rebate is better in almost every scenario

[acoustic kettle]

Eh rebate is still better ev

[solid tapir]

rebate is always better

[uncut slate]

question is how the scaling functions compare on ev but i guess deckfixing is complicated

rebate is the better joker overall obviously

[solid tapir]

you need 3 specific ranks of cards to make use of faceless

[uncut slate]

i am interested in precisely how much better and if anyone has done the math rather than just kinda vibing

[solid tapir]

with rebate you just need 1 card to make value

[acoustic kettle]

You don't

Just 3 face

[solid tapir]

that's what I said

[acoustic kettle]

Nvm

[frank raft]

ive never actually done more then mental math for all of my balatro hours

[acoustic kettle]

Ranks

[solid tapir]

lol

[acoustic kettle]

Thought you said rank

[frank raft]

you lose the gambling mentality that way

[uncut slate]

yeah this is a vibes argument but on an unfixed deck they are equal ev, i checked the math on that

[acoustic kettle]

I hate english

Oug oug

[solid tapir]

england

[uncut slate]

don't feel like typey typing it on my phone

[shell current]

You also have more felxibility to play 5 and discard 5 to dig deeper with rebate vs faceless

[acoustic kettle]

Return to monke

[uncut slate]

but trust me 👍

[solid tapir]

perhaps

[uncut slate]

7 cards in hand = play 5 to dig hold 2 faceys to discard

[frank raft]

as we argue about jokers this image just goes through rounds of generation loss

[solid tapir]

you're so goated Kami

[uncut slate]

like obviously you need a scoring hand somehow

but yeah rebate is probably better there

[shell current]

And faceless ev gets worse when you want to hold onto gold and blue seal and/or draw 4-5 card hands

[solid tapir]

this is true

[uncut slate]

i guess there are too many factors here to really go in on how deckfixing affects it

you need a crazy model

[solid tapir]

ask chatgpt

[uncut slate]

doing it empirically is probably best

[shell current]

That being said, faceless is still great, but rebate is in a class of it’s own

[frank raft]

golden ticket plus midas mask plus dusk plus socks plus a fuck ton of blueprints

theoretically

[uncut slate]

i mostly mean in a gold stake ante 8 run context

but yeah theoretically that's the max

[acoustic kettle]

Rebate with a fuck ton of blueprint

[frank raft]

i guess the theoretically best "Econ joker" is oops

[acoustic kettle]

Same thing

[solid tapir]

huh

[uncut slate]

burglar gives you way more hands to dump onto the ticket

[left juniper]

If you wanna be talking crazy "theoretical" scenarios then Perkeo duping Temperance with 17 Blueprints is the best

[frank raft]

if you get enough, you get gaurenteed multiple 20 dollar hits

then you just retrigger your cards

[acoustic kettle]

18 blueprints

Even better

[solid tapir]

theoretically, I should be able to draw 5 rebate cards with 10+ negative bp's to copy them

[left juniper]

I'm so dumb I didn't even think of that

[tall sky]

i kill 6 7

67 is done

[frank raft]

without retriggers thats like 500 dollars or so

idk

[shell current]

Discounting perkeo tarot card loops, parking has the highest ceiling in endless because handsize can scale really really high in extreme edge cases

[frank raft]

or like 250

[solid tapir]

oops too unreliable

[frank raft]

idk idrc

[manic talon]

honestly expected the "dies to plant turbo" run to die to plant

[frank raft]

i thought we were talking purley theoreticall

[left juniper]

Golden Joker is my personal goat and you can argue all you like but I can't read

[uncut slate]

but yeah i think my answer will come from building balatro spyware to check the average value c++ players are earning from each joker in each round and per round since purchasing the joker

[solid tapir]

even theoretically friend

[frank raft]

how

[solid tapir]

because dice

[stiff fjord]

first time running oops all 6s + bloodstone

[solid tapir]

bloobstone

[solid tapir]

now we really can't read

[frank raft]

just ankh a enternal oops on that one seed then spam magic cards and card regtriggers

[solid tapir]

Im taking the piss because my brain is fried

[uncut slate]

magic cards

[frank raft]

only ogs get it pal

[restive plover]

WOOOO climbed from black stake to gold stake on yellow deck today :D
the gang and like 20 aces

[solid tapir]

I like lucky cards

[uncut slate]

magic

[frank raft]

guys all the generations have been lost. there are no more to lose

[manic talon]

e score in ante 8 Gold stake DAMN

so called worst legendary, just dont meet the plant

[solid tapir]

nice

[solid tapir]

I've done it with pairs

3 certificates

and squimbo

[frank raft]

^

i think on this run i had three by ante eight

[manic talon]

thats also white stake

[frank raft]

which was like e12

[frank raft]

its actually not?

[solid tapir]

.

[manic talon]

im blind

[restive plover]

my dumbass thought this was conway's game of life soup at first

[solid tapir]

played too many blinds and is now blind

[restive plover]

me fr

[shell current]

I wish I could cast ancestral recall as a consumable in balatro

[solid tapir]

did chat break Kami

[restive plover]

OH that's what it is lmfao

[uncut slate]

i need a card enhancement that makes me win the game

[manic talon]

8 more wins

[frank raft]

damn

[lunar zealot]

Hark! I find myself at a loss for words; I concur that I am thus unable to engage in literary endeavors!
For I am but an unwitting player in the Jester's Game

[frank raft]

too many words cant read

[solid tapir]

glass

[uncut slate]

we have a slack channel at work called something about wagon drivers who can't read and people post keysmash in there and you get kicked for typing words

[frank raft]

thank you

[restive plover]

by jove! this scroll has naught but arcane runes. i must fetch my squire at once to decipher this wicked cryptogram

[acoustic kettle]

Wait does faceless gives 10 dollars if i discard 6 faces

[uncut slate]

yeah

[acoustic kettle]

Nvm

I'm stupid

I can't discard 6 faces

[manic talon]

this is what you see when you stand up too fast

[acoustic kettle]

Tf did i say

[uncut slate]

there should be a joker that lets you select 6 cards

[tranquil cargo]

faceless doesn't give $10 if you discard 6 faces (which you can do in several mods)

[uncut slate]

there should be a joker that gains xmult every time you use a planet card

[solid tapir]

I agree

@ thunk

[manic talon]

4 fingers but you need to add even more secret hands

[uncut slate]

4 fingers should prevent you from selecting 5 cards lol

that would be really funny

unnecessary nerf

[solid tapir]

actually

funny asf

[uncut slate]

but funny

[alpine hollow]

I did not realise how good pairs actually were until I fell into pairs

[uncut slate]

yeah pairs are just goated

I'm a pair crutch

[alpine hollow]

But mainly with Burnt

[solid tapir]

I like mercury poisoning

[solid tapir]

this is just wrong

[uncut slate]

mainly without burnt but burnt certainly helps

[solid tapir]

^

[alpine hollow]

I’ve personally been either High Card or Flush Five

[uncut slate]

pairs are like high card but better

[solid tapir]

way better than HC

[alpine hollow]

Only downside is you can’t spam 5 stones

[uncut slate]

like imagine if you could play two high cards at the same time

that's pairs

[solid tapir]

yupp

and you get extra chips

with the mercury scaling

[uncut slate]

also pairs let you pick the scoring card which helps a ton

high card just scores a card

[alpine hollow]

?

[blissful bronze]

and HC requires more deck fixing

[alpine hollow]

Don’t they both score

[uncut slate]

yeah but like

say u have a weewee so u wanna play them twosies

[alpine hollow]

It only requires a bunch of Stone Cards or a Splash

[uncut slate]

if u play high card you have to play the two alone

pair you can play a pair of twos with three other cards

obviously a contrived example

[alpine hollow]

Look, I know how hands work

[uncut slate]

but this applies to any situation where you want to score a specific card

[blissful bronze]

this example also works with bus

[uncut slate]

high card can only score the highest card

[alpine hollow]

HC works with bus

[uncut slate]

unless u splash

[uncut slate]

not really, you need aces

[alpine hollow]

You don’t have to select 5 cards for a HC

[solid tapir]

pair is just superior in every way

[uncut slate]

you basically always want to play 5 cards in this game

to see more of your deck

[alpine hollow]

Not always

[uncut slate]

there are exceptions

[subtle loom]

could it be

[solid tapir]

conditional

[alpine hollow]

That’s what discards are for

[uncut slate]

but it's usually better

[blissful bronze]

yeah but like if youre looking for a specific card it can be annoying like then you're discarding inefficiently

[solid tapir]

generally you always want to play 5 cards

[shell current]

+50% score at the cost of -14% room for gold cards and blue seals in hand i take that trade every day of the week

*over high card

[solid tapir]

so you can see more of your deck

[uncut slate]

you don't get many discards

[solid tapir]

I will sometimes play 5 cards even with squimbo so I can get my seals etc

[subtle loom]

i might win this run

[solid tapir]

if your purples are buried in your deck you need to use your hands as psuedo discards

[alpine hollow]

That’s why I flood the deck with cards

[uncut slate]

but that's harder to do

than just playing pairs which works on a base deck

no fixing needed

[alpine hollow]

I’m a sucker for playing packs

[blissful bronze]

chat why are we deck cluttering

[solid tapir]

this is why we are deck cluttering

[uncut slate]

idk but it doesn't make it much harder to play pairs

[solid tapir]

pairs are easy to play

clearly

[shell current]

I open basically every standard pack I can afford to and skip >75% of them

[alpine hollow]

Fair enough

[blissful bronze]

surprisingly i feel straights are easy to play around

[solid tapir]

this is just wrong

[uncut slate]

but hard to play

[alpine hollow]

Not in my experience.

[subtle loom]

woohoo

[solid tapir]

this is also just wrong

[uncut slate]

the reward for playing straights is great but the risk is when you don't draw one and then die

[blissful bronze]

no i understand why it's wrong it's my personal success rate is high

[solid tapir]

imagine deleting your bad take

[solid tapir]

fair

[alpine hollow]

Holos fun though

[subtle loom]

yes

[shell current]

Based

[subtle loom]

i agree with this

[blissful bronze]

my gold stake on black deck was a straight build

[subtle loom]

unless you get shortcut

then oh boy

[uncut slate]

that's how black deck is ngl

[solid tapir]

we have to play the seed how its given to us, if its a straight seed then it will be a straight seed

that is my experience on gold stake

[uncut slate]

if you only have three hands you need them to count

[alpine hollow]

Shortcut + Smeared is the only chance for an actual Straight Flush build

[uncut slate]

a lot of pair builds cut it close on the hands

[solid tapir]

my pair runs can turn into 4oak, flush five, flush house etc

and they have

many times

pairs are just safe

[uncut slate]

or just four fingers until you get your deckfixing online

[shell current]

Playing straights is like having half a negative golden joker and half a negative constellation except you have a 2% chance each round for your run to just straight up end

[alpine hollow]

I’ve never been good at that lol

[blissful bronze]

100% i think in my personal opinion the worst hand to build around in the or rather the most irrelevant is 3OAK

[alpine hollow]

I deny that

[solid tapir]

I don't disagree with that in full, but full house is worse

[uncut slate]

3oak isn't terrible but begs the question of why not 4

full house is just useless yeah

[solid tapir]

I hate full house

[uncut slate]

why play it when 3oak exists

[solid tapir]

but I will build towards it if the seed keeps giving me Earth

[subtle loom]

what joker synegize with full house

nothing

[alpine hollow]

I only full house round 1 sometimes

[uncut slate]

and then why play 3oak when 4 exists

[uncut slate]

uhhhh the pants?

[subtle loom]

just play two pair

[uncut slate]

but why not 2pair yeah

[solid tapir]

3oak easier to draw sometimes rather than 4oak with less deck fixing

[alpine hollow]

4oak on a standard deck means drawing 4 out of 4 cards

[uncut slate]

the scaling difference is what, +1 mult?

[blissful bronze]

full house can still one shot a lot of blinds in plasma and one shots the small blind which is why i brought up relevancy

[shell current]

There are niche cases to play full house

[alpine hollow]

2pairs fun in it

[subtle loom]

yknow whats bullshit

[uncut slate]

if you can't consistently draw 4, you're gonna struggle to draw 3 imo

[subtle loom]

fullhouse

[uncut slate]

it's too much of a gamble

[subtle loom]

what joker synegize with fullhouse

[solid tapir]

only on early antes, I don't like situating my build around them

[subtle loom]

nothing

[solid tapir]

because they are weak and unreliable

[blissful bronze]

2 pairs are way better than full house

[subtle loom]

so why use earth on them

[solid tapir]

this is true

[shell current]

Mime with steel cards

[uncut slate]

full house is the hand i play in the first two antes when i don't have enough chips to play a pair and the game deals me one instead of a flush

[shell current]

Fibbonacci

[subtle loom]

full house dont scale with square

[uncut slate]

2 pair usually doesn't need square honestly

[subtle loom]

full house arent easy to get as flush

[solid tapir]

inb4 you realize you would've drawn a winning flush in pursuit of the full house

[blissful bronze]

and its easier deck fix

[subtle loom]

full house are harder than straight imk

[uncut slate]

it seems intuitive to do 4 card hand 4 card joker but usually uranus spam is good enough

[solid tapir]

yes

[subtle loom]

and straight got a lot of joker

[solid tapir]

mercury

[uncut slate]

pairs with square is peak

[subtle loom]

runner four finger amd shortcut

[solid tapir]

yes

[subtle loom]

and tsaturn planet scale faster

[blissful bronze]

the chips are super helpful tho because 2pair lvl scales rather slow

[subtle loom]

ehile fullhiuse scale so slow

[solid tapir]

saturn mult scaling is great

[balmy ridge]

rare skip pays off 100% of the time i swear honestly no lie always for real true true fact checked by real american patriots i swear

[subtle loom]

+3 mukt vs +2 mult

[uncut slate]

idk i compare everything to pair so uranus scaling seems crazy strong lol

[blissful bronze]

why is he mogging😭

[subtle loom]

full house are the worst

[solid tapir]

ass hand fs

[uncut slate]

full house is definitely the least relevant hand

[subtle loom]

only slightly better than flush

and flushes are way better

[balmy ridge]

need i say more?

[uncut slate]

flush at least has some funny stuff with ancient joker or whatever yeah

[subtle loom]

smeared joker

[balmy ridge]

@blissful bronze i meant to reply to your message sorryt

[subtle loom]

four finger

[blissful bronze]

the issue is sometimes you have to play your blue seals because you need to play more cards for a 2pair

[uncut slate]

i rarely bother with flushes but they're fine

[blissful bronze]

oh lawd

[subtle loom]

my flush run

[solid tapir]

how is full house better than flush and flush better than full house at the same time

because I was saying full house was ass

[subtle loom]

better than flush in term of planet scaling the first one

[solid tapir]

right

but flush way better than fh

[subtle loom]

and jmtheres more joker that work with flush

[subtle loom]

flushes are better in general i mean

[solid tapir]

yeh

[uncut slate]

there are a few jokers that like flushes and none that like full house

[subtle loom]

+10 chip

[blissful bronze]

full house is the seven of hands

[manic talon]

spare trousers if you squint

[uncut slate]

spare trousers tolerates full house

[shell current]

Fibbonacci, business card, even steven, odd todd

Walkie talkie too I guess

[uncut slate]

same way the duo technically procs on a full house

[manic talon]

honestly? full house is kinda okay for Triboulet gold stake, but that doesnt happen often

[uncut slate]

yeah i actually did that one time now that you mention it

[balmy ridge]

hooolyyy fucking shit

[subtle loom]

full house are so niche

[uncut slate]

i think i pivoted it to 5oak anyway but it was zodiac so it kinda made it easy

[balmy ridge]

MAN fuck chicotr

every legendary i ever get its always chico god dammit

[subtle loom]

hey dont talk about chicot like that it saved my run

[uncut slate]

these are all ok with full house i guess? it's still not gonna be my first instinct to build around with them

[blissful bronze]

i think the only time i play 5oak is white stake or trib

[balmy ridge]

im starting to hate chicot

not because he's bad

because he's boring

[uncut slate]

yeah it's kinda a bad hand

it's not better enough than 4oak for me to consider usually

[shell current]

Yeah it’s not like an intentional build towards but it’s not completely worth counting out

[subtle loom]

tier list hand?

[uncut slate]

ngl i never have lost a 4oak run where 5oak would have helped

[blissful bronze]

pair in S everything is D

jk

[uncut slate]

if i start consistently drawing 4oak i just win

[subtle loom]

fullhouse f

[shell current]

5oak with wee is my goat

[uncut slate]

i think it's hard to rate them because on some level every pair build wants to turn into a 4oak build if you can manage it

[blissful bronze]

full house is acutally nice the first 3ish antes but after that you need a proper build

[shell current]

Or 8 ball

[terse gyro]

mime the goat

[solid tapir]

not neccesarily

[subtle loom]

ive mever used fullhouse past ante 1 or 2

[solid tapir]

if the seed prompts me to turn my pair build into a 4oak

then I will

but if not then mercury it is

[uncut slate]

well yeah that's what i mean

you will always take that pivot if it's available

[solid tapir]

the family is not enough to convince me ngl

[subtle loom]

id say 4oak is c

[solid tapir]

situational tho

[balmy ridge]

my balls are lowk so hairy rn but shaving them is super scary

[blissful bronze]

family is only good if you NEED it

[uncut slate]

yeah the family is not relevant in most of my 4oak runs

[solid tapir]

yah

[uncut slate]

i just mean if the deckfixing is strong enough to switch to it you typically have a winning line in that switch

though pairs will also probably win that run lol

[blissful bronze]

chat is black deck a definate F tier

[subtle loom]

straight is high b low a

[manic talon]

family is like trio but if you fail to draw the 4oak you lose everything

[subtle loom]

3oak is b or c

[uncut slate]

black deck is weird

[subtle loom]

but higher than 4oak

[manic talon]

and also the difference between trio and family is like 1.3333X mult

[blissful bronze]

having a extra joker slot is good kind of
cus you can win just 3 jokers if you wanted

[uncut slate]

i feel like black deck runs end up in irreversible death spirals because you're kind of taking out loans on all the hands you don't have

[subtle loom]

whats the max ante in gs

[blissful bronze]

statistically you win one

[uncut slate]

wdym?

[subtle loom]

is it still 39

the max ante aka kill screen

[solid tapir]

not really

[subtle loom]

in gold staje

[solid tapir]

nebula is worse

[blissful bronze]

pair gaming?

[uncut slate]

i don't mind nebula on gold stake it's just kinda braindead

[solid tapir]

always regardless of deck

[manic talon]

yes

[subtle loom]

guys whats the maximum ante in gold stake

[manic talon]

nebula is not even that bad its just annoying

[uncut slate]

why would anyone bother finding out

[manic talon]

39, nothing changes

[uncut slate]

nebula is pop emperor -> curse nebula simulator

[solid tapir]

depends on the run

[shell current]

Black deck not making it out of ante 2 I just kind of accept it but seeing an emperor card on nebula deck annoys me 100% of the time

[solid tapir]

if the run is roffle heavy then maybe ante 14 realistically

[subtle loom]

interesting

[uncut slate]

it's not very surprising though

ante scaling far outscales any modifier from the stakes at that point

[shell current]

Mr. Bones has entered the chat

[shell current]

Mr. Bones has entered the chat

[subtle loom]

i wish i can make a stupud mr bine joke here

[manic talon]

yea but thats a bug

[solid tapir]

i like black deck

[subtle loom]

never tried black

[solid tapir]

you should

it makes you better at the game

[uncut slate]

someone go get c++ by doubleboning

[uncut slate]

i did black as my fourth gs and i agree with this, i was misplaying a ton on the easier decks

[solid tapir]

yur

[uncut slate]

now i only misplay sometimes

i breezed through the rest of the normal gameplay decks

[shell current]

How is the person with 500 attempts on gold stake black deck doing I missed them today

[subtle loom]

black is considrred the hsrdest?

[uncut slate]

painted and plasma were actually the hardest for me i think, painted was because i kept absolutely trolling runs thinking i could get away with selling scoring for value generators

i want my joker slot >:(

[worldly barn]

Blackboard wouldn't work with all wilds right

[uncut slate]

it should?

[subtle loom]

nah

[uncut slate]

blackboard is a very open condition

[shell current]

Black deck is the hardest until you hit interest cap then it’s easier than plasma

[subtle loom]

it doesnt work on stone!

[solid tapir]

it will

[uncut slate]

stone has no suit

[solid tapir]

why would it not

[subtle loom]

i gs plasma

[uncut slate]

thus it is not clubs or spades

[subtle loom]

iirc itried it before

[uncut slate]

wild is clubs or spades

[solid tapir]

that makes no sense

[shy abyss]

this just in, flash card > bus

[solid tapir]

why are my wild cards broken

[subtle loom]

nvm

my bad

[worldly barn]

Idk I guess I just think of it as "don't hold red suits" rather than do hold black suits so I just wanted to be sure lmao

[shell current]

This is from an average run standpoint ig… also fitting name

[worldly barn]

Ig that's not how it's worded tho

[manic talon]

it will work unless its debuffed

[worldly barn]

Obviously

[solid tapir]

yeah ty

[worldly barn]

Just wait for the 2026 content update bub

[solid tapir]

no reason for it to not work other than that

[uncut slate]

yeah you play it as don't hold reds because you're playing those reds

[subtle loom]

i like blue joker

but i like red

[manic talon]

allegedly

[worldly barn]

Im a believer

Wilds will be beautiful

[lunar zealot]

Obelisk moment

[lunar zealot]

B-B-B-B-BASEBALL CARD?!?!?!

[subtle loom]

baseball card thansk fir saving my run

[lunar zealot]

HUMMINA HUMMINA HUMMINA HUMMINA

[manic talon]

just in case

[subtle loom]

ty

[solid tapir]

I like this line up

[manic talon]

ante 1 round 1 setup

[subtle loom]

i actually like baseball

[worldly barn]

Baseball is goated

[shell current]

Is this debug mode or god showman double glyph?

[solid tapir]

how

I didnt even notice

lol

[manic talon]

its round 1 small blind you literally cant do this without debug mode

[subtle loom]

supertruthnova nuke

[worldly barn]

Double heiro

[lunar zealot]

Yeah you can

[uncut slate]

ok if i have red card and the celestial pack has mercury, do i take it?

[worldly barn]

Surely

[manic talon]

round

[worldly barn]

Oh

[lunar zealot]

Depends on the gamestate

[worldly barn]

Lmao

[solid tapir]

yk I often forget there is a debug mode

[uncut slate]

when do u want to take it instead of skipping?

usually i skip it

[balmy ridge]

hologram for card sharp?

[uncut slate]

but i sometimes take it if i feel like i am super low on chips

but it's not something i mathed out

it was just vibes

[shell current]

If you are playing pairs and don’t have a chips joker that you want to stick around

[subtle loom]

situional

[balmy ridge]

yes

so

yes or no

[shell current]

Depends on hand levels, vouchers, if there’s a standard pack in shop

[balmy ridge]

was a standard but i used it already

[subtle loom]

i think you should ignore

unless you got lucky and found magictrick soon after

[balmy ridge]

i already took it

[shell current]

Based

[balmy ridge]

also i just missed my EIGTH wheel of fortune this run

[subtle loom]

unless if you overscore

[balmy ridge]

i was overscoring

thats the problem

[subtle loom]

with card sharp

[balmy ridge]

thats why im taking hologram

[subtle loom]

then go for it

[balmy ridge]

i already did like i said

[shell current]

I was gonna say if you wanna do the vagabond sell card sharp, otherwise it’s get out of vagabond

[balmy ridge]

9th now

[shell current]

Holo is better if you’re playing to one shot with a big flush house

[balmy ridge]

fricking bull crap (pardon my language)

[solid tapir]

holo is good for any hand

correction

pairs

flush ? fuck no

[balmy ridge]

FINALLY hit on the 10th

[balmy ridge]

why are you so romantically in love with pairs

[solid tapir]

because pairs are the best hand

ever

[subtle loom]

holo work for everything

if you have scaling

[solid tapir]

not my flush five build

or my flush house build

or my any 5 card hand build

even 4oak

[subtle loom]

then suck to be you ig

[solid tapir]

no

because I play pairs

so holo is always great

[silver canopy]

https://medal.tv/games/balatro/clips/lmH96qtIjqgBJpYJh?invite=cr-MSxjZVQsNDMyNTk1NDk1&v=27 i got a funny thing

[shell current]

If you’re already doing the vagabond you get so much deck fixing it doesn’t matter

[balmy ridge]

do i get out of vagabond now for invis??

[solid tapir]

yes

[balmy ridge]

ok

[subtle loom]

the yesy pair loving situation is crazy

[balmy ridge]

i knewed it

[solid tapir]

I used to have a flush addiction

if you can believe it

now Im just hooked on the better drug

[balmy ridge]

not the only addiction you had

[solid tapir]

peanits addiction

[subtle loom]

why is it yellow

[shell current]

My empirical game data shows that you have to pay me or threaten me to get me to play a flush

[subtle loom]

is it a simpsons reference

[shell current]

It’s smiley face joker

[subtle loom]

cant make a joke now

because of woke

[balmy ridge]

fuck yeah

i was overhating painted deck its actually pretty good

[subtle loom]

lucky you got two holo

[balmy ridge]

2.5 not monumental

vagabond kinda carried

[upper dove]

Finally i reached gold stake on plasma deck

[tawdry burrow]

What's the mod that gives the jokers that auspicious jawline

[balmy ridge]

gigajokers

[tawdry burrow]

Oh my god even the egg

[neon light]

I am about to crash out 😭

[steep iron]

reroll sigma

[balmy ridge]

do i dare rip the triple campfire?

[sand sedge]

I got runner + photochad + the order
Easy painted deck win

[sand sedge]

You cant

Eternal to do list is crazy

[quartz ember]

hmm yea try it out

wcgw

[spiral seal]

take baron?

run was going mime king red seals

then i got trib and 4 FUCKING BLUERPINTS

[restive plover]

ohhh it's peak. it's peak

[solid tapir]

the dynamic duo

[spiral seal]

im picking it up

goodbye trib

[wooden hare]

i cant find hack

[solid tapir]

don't need it

[wooden hare]

Wrong

[tacit stream]

you can force hack to appear by hacking your wee

[wooden hare]

I'm gonna hack it so hard

im hacking it batman

[quartz ember]

maybe not yet also you desperately need more money

[rocky nest]

CHAT SYNERGY OMGG

[mild vigil]

I feel like I committed a sin by refunding balatro

[spiral seal]

aint a fun run if you're not constantly broke

[rocky nest]

You can like do it?
Didnt knew it was possible

[mild vigil]

Yeah

[wooden hare]

Wait cloverpit too?

[mild vigil]

Same bundle

[quartz ember]

ah well, no luck on the roguelikes

[mild vigil]

I honestly like the games I just want something else with my money

[manic talon]

6 to match, 7 to beat

[rocky nest]

Please con 🙏

I believe invis

[spiral seal]

this is the stupidest run ive done

am i broke as hell

yes

[rocky nest]

(i swear its just going to hit egg)

[balmy ridge]

potential naneinf setup

also why the fuck would you take an eternal egg with no swashbuckler or anything

[spiral seal]

EVIL ASS PLANT

[restive plover]

CHADDD WHER R U

[rocky nest]

Hell yehahh

[royal bobcat]

World's most expensive chad

[solid tapir]

what are you hoping to accomplish by stating this information here

[restive plover]

chad at home

[solid tapir]

want us to congratulate you for exercising your free will ?

[restive plover]

i finally found my first justice on like ante 7

sob

[solid tapir]

balala

[restive plover]

literally

[mild vigil]

Idk just feel guilty

[solid tapir]

and ?

[mild vigil]

You didn't have to be so passive aggressive lol

[solid tapir]

and ?

[restive plover]

gaming

[solid tapir]

is that Poly

I can't tell I'm blind

[restive plover]

yeah

[solid tapir]

gaming

[restive plover]

poly steel purple

if only it was a red seal

[solid tapir]

red seal will come

[restive plover]

it's calling me but if the two glass break i'll cry

[solid tapir]

there will always be more glass

[manic talon]

Why would you risk it

Its not even ante 8 yet

[solid tapir]

also you're on white stake so ultimately it doesn't matter

[restive plover]

yeah this run is mainly to unlock stuntman on steam

[solid tapir]

also you discard every time

discard the glass kings for tarots

[restive plover]

yea that's what i did

[pine swift]

Starting to get bored. Is this enough or should i keep going for highest antes? Been stuck in same game for 2 days.

[solid tapir]

play gold stake

[pine swift]

@manic talon i usually play god stake. But for last week was playing ante 8-10 games bcs was trying to get gold seals on all jokers. Started this run for casual game. Also why do people here always judge white stake players? Like what is this superiority complex?

[solid tapir]

because white stake is stinky stake

and most white stake players are delusional

[manic talon]

Why you @ ed me

[quartz ember]

exchange burglar for dna and then back at A25 and you'll have your naneinf

[pine swift]

Its in the game for a reason?

[solid tapir]

for the casuals

yah

[pine swift]

By mistake maybe

[pine swift]

How would dna give naninf? I am using the serpent and burglar to score this high. Dna wont work

[quartz ember]

dna for a24 then change back to burglar for naneinf, is what i meant

[pine swift]

Actually i already have max number of possible cards i can draw.

If i am missing anything pls help

[quartz ember]

you dont have naneinf

[pine swift]

I know

[quartz ember]

your winning before getting there

you need higher ante to not win

[restive plover]

mission accomplished 🫡

[pine swift]

No i am getting to 0 hands and max cards with burglar cant get more

[quartz ember]

oh

you are not on plasma deck?

[solid tapir]

more copy effects

[pine swift]

Nope. I dont like plasma. Maybe in future i might. I used to not like baron and thought it was boring but now i do baron runs quite opten

Often*

[quartz ember]

ah then no naneinf for you

[pine swift]

Unless i get a perkeo

I am on Ghost deck

[manic talon]

Nice, might as well go to ante 12 if you havent

[restive plover]

yeah i'm gonna see how far it goes, 12 is my highest so far

[quartz ember]

you have one too many copies on sock btw

nvm

context clues are important

[restive plover]

yea that's just when there's a steal guy

[spiral seal]

oh hey onyx

[random ice]

I ACTUALLY HAD A USEFUL SPLASH

[solid tapir]

rare splash usage

[random ice]

Due to all my purple Seals, I was making Tarots faster than Vampire could eat them

But the splash let me do it

Fortune was at 64 lmao

[solid tapir]

nice

[random ice]

Look at that wonderful engine, so many purple Seals, discarded, and fed to the fortune teller and vampire

[solid tapir]

more purple is more good

always

[strange panther]

new highscore!

someone more skilled than me could probably take this seed an extra ante or two but still

gamer hours

[west fossil]

guys am i cooked?

[manic talon]

Why would you be

[west fossil]

...?

i hate velvet vessel 😢

[manic talon]

You probably can beat 300K

[supple roost]

is ankh useful?

[quartz ember]

maybe if you find egg and gift card

[supple roost]

ill keep it for now

[west fossil]

oh-

well someone taught me that for a good run you gotta have 3 main things: mult gain, chip gain, and cash gain

i think I did pretty well-

[manic talon]

Literally never worried

[restive plover]

F o7

[west fossil]

i cant believe i got my hologram to x5 😭

[lunar zealot]

hello boys

[lunar zealot]

too much money

especially so on green deck

[restive plover]

midwest us voice hey guys

[west fossil]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO

[random ice]

We have Photochad at home

Also fun fact Half Joker and Photo are SLIGHTLY different sizes lmao

[restive plover]

literally me this game

did not find a single chad

[lunar zealot]

definitely never overspend that's a big one

even on green deck you want to have some form of way to get bursts of cash whether through temperance or rebate or even just haivng cash banked

in case shop has something you need to survive

but underspending is bad too

you have money. spend it

[west fossil]

uhm i think this is why-

I have 6 hands

I think i shouldnt chnage my setup

of jokers i maen

i think its okay-

[quartz ember]

well its ok but you could find something better in the shop

and you can always find tarots and planet cards that help you

[pale wolf]

beep

[median summit]

Which friends of Jimbo update is this from?

[hardy fable]

straight build with baron

[west fossil]

IT WAS MY GREATEST UNSEEDED RUN SO FAR

MY DOPAMINE LEVELS ARE THROUGH THE ROOF

[quartz ember]

epic

[pale grotto]

Today i play green joker and now i like it

Like, i hate him before for literally no reason he is great

And the same thing with the obelisk

But i dont like him so much

[ripe sleet]

TIL that stone cards affect blackboard

I had two poly blackboards

[manic talon]

yes stone cards are bad

theyre neither spades nor clubs

[zinc karma]

Thats... Sad... No offense

[tawdry burrow]

I'm not playing black stake erratic deck

[left sorrel]

Bro, he is probably new, we all went through that, dont be toxic

[median summit]

I vote we kill Shar

[zinc karma]

Ik, thats why i said no offense

Cuz im not judging him

Im judging the run itself

[wind basin]

first shop Ride the Bus.Lets see how i screw this one up

[wintry ice]

epic strats

[worldly barn]

Ancient ❤️

[rocky nest]

🥹

[worldly barn]

Run it back on yellow for the madness

[quartz ember]

ccitbp for madness

[sonic mica]

Small moment but still cool

[wind basin]

when rng is the boss fight

[pale wolf]

which ch hit wouldve let you win

anything else?

<@&1133519078540185692>

[sacred path]

hi how do i win with abandoned deck?

[wind basin]

I most likely would have won if it hit something like green joker

[smoky merlin]

yah

[pale wolf]

you play a full house to win the first round

[craggy hearth]

Aight man cmon 😭

[pale wolf]

and then you just ride

[craggy hearth]

Wassup

[sacred path]

ride with what?

[worldly barn]

Freaky ahh agent 47

[pale wolf]

aybe the bus 🙂 but i just mean, you play normally

abandoned deck gameplay isnt a big departure from other decks, besides the value of number jokers being slightly boosted

you have a smaller deck, so any changes/additions to your deck are worth a greater fraction of your decks value, so its a more consistent deck than most

[ocean lily]

My 1st gold stake was on plasma, all other decks had like 1 win on them(other then checked which i used to get plasma)

What does that say about me

[zinc karma]

U only know how to play in plasma

[ocean lily]

I have like 6 challenge wins if it means anything 😭

[sacred path]

i was running a flush deck and failed mid-run. Abandoned deck has less cards than other decks and is not suitable for the amount of discard needed for flush I feel like.

[zinc karma]

It doesnt

[manic talon]

The only challenge that really matters are the last 3

Theyre fun tho

Mad world is so fun

[restive plover]

balala erratic deck yay

[royal ore]

i love Balatro!!

[quartz hinge]

I literally just finished playing that challenge lol

[ocean lily]

Mad world is the neg paredolia right?

[ocean lily]

Omg so did i earlier today

[quartz hinge]

yeah. The decks set up really well for some devious builds

[ocean lily]

I almost had all 10hearts deck, could have probably went further if i replaced photo with idol(at the point i saw idol i have like 8 cards it could hit)

[quartz hinge]

yeah I tweaked my deck to be almost entirely 9s and 8s that were hiker boosted from the earlygame and enhanced. Flush house every hand

its amazing how much easier deck building is with only 32 cards at start

[zinc karma]

I just got a soul in the omelette and now idk if this game hates me or loves me

Bets on what i will get from soul?

[split fractal]

wth is the omelette

just say arcana pack vro

[split fractal]

chicot

trust

[wintry ice]

challenge

[zinc karma]

I got yorick

[wintry ice]

gg

[zinc karma]

WHY

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY

😭😭😭😭😭

Got canio

[wary crystal]

Do i take gros michael here

[wintry ice]

when the

[quartz ember]

damn good dagger value with those legendaries

[wintry ice]

not sure if there's enough time for it to break

[quartz ember]

maybe instead of snova?

or purple

[obsidian cargo]

Hey does anyone know if joker positions actually matter?

Like if I put hanging chad before something like gros michel

Does it impact the score in any way

[wintry ice]

or smiley

[wintry ice]

chad doesn't affect gros

[zinc karma]

Bro

[wintry ice]

so in that case no

but if you have like

[quartz ember]

joker positions matter depending on the jokers

[wintry ice]

duo and a red card

[obsidian cargo]

I just meant in general

[wintry ice]

then the order does matter

[obsidian cargo]

Yeah obviously brainstorm and blueprint are affected

And ceremonial dagger

[obsidian cargo]

Oh okay thank you

[wintry ice]

jokers trigger in their step of scoring left to right

[obsidian cargo]

This server is so helpful it’s insane

[royal bobcat]

People call us names sometimes

[wintry ice]

your name is names

[royal bobcat]

Grok is that true?

[quartz ember]

yo whaddup Names

[royal bobcat]

[obsidian cargo]

Ah so for example

(Ignore the fact this probably isn’t a real strategy lmao)

Having

Blueprint
Red card
Hanging chad
Cavendish
Brainstorm

It would go in that order (technically speaking)

[wintry ice]

outside of hanging chad, which triggers when playing cards score, yes

[quartz ember]

thats a good example of a bad ordering

[obsidian cargo]

Also
I know brainstorm and blueprint are amazing cards
But can they work together at all?
Like can you copy blueprint with brainstorm or vice versa

[wintry ice]

yes

[obsidian cargo]

Yeah that’s why I added it’s not a real strat lmao

At least not one I’d use

[obsidian cargo]

Ah okay

I’ve been trying to find the best way to micro optimize runs lmao

Anything for just a slight improvement

99% of buffoons quit right before naneinf 🔥

Also I love how the game doesn’t lag like

At all

It just goes along with whatever you did

Until ante 39 ofc

Oh also

I should always be putting the X mults after + mults?

That’s what I’ve been doing at least cause it feels logical to first add onto the mult

And then multiply the bigger number

[wintry ice]

the game lags the more cards you have

[zinc karma]

Never on a gold stake run

[wintry ice]

if you want to score more, yeah

if you want to stall you fan put it before

[obsidian cargo]

Aight
Good to know I’ve been doing that right

[obsidian cargo]

Why’d you wanna stall?

[wintry ice]

scaling jokers like green and supernova

and drawing value generating cards

[obsidian cargo]

Also side note
I’m so glad I decided to randomly buy Balatro when I was looking after the dog a few weeks ago

I was bored and needed a roguelike

[obsidian cargo]

Ohhhh

[compact halo]

Hello

[obsidian cargo]

Yo

Honestly it’s insane how you can score naneinf

Because that’s

Not a number
Followed

by infinite zeros

[split fractal]

nice

[compact halo]

On track for gold stake naneinf ;3

[obsidian cargo]

Yoooo
Best of luck 🤞

[wintry ice]

it's the computer's way of representing a value that's too high for it to store

[obsidian cargo]

Ik

Screw it, +4 mult to the following messages

[lunar zealot]

I HAVE OOPS

CAN THIS BANANA FUCKING EXPIRE YET

[compact halo]

Gambled. Lost lol

[obsidian cargo]

I HATE WHEN THE MICHEL DOES THAT

[wintry ice]

no

[obsidian cargo]

ITS INFERIOR TO THE CAVENDISH

[obsidian cargo]

Damn…
Honestly I do the same lmao

[compact halo]

I would’ve only survived one more a blind without photo so tried my luck on the bloodstone

[lunar zealot]

oh hey obelisk

[obsidian cargo]

99% of buffoons quit right before naneinf

Words to live by

[lunar zealot]

ok i win

[compact halo]

So wasn’t much of a gamble more of a leverage in face of insurmountable defeat

[obsidian cargo]

And

Never trust wheel of fortune

[compact halo]

I will first try naneinf white stake to prove a point though brb

Point proven

[deep rapids]

ive done seeded, trying to do unseeded

[obsidian cargo]

Mannn
What’s wrong with my joker 💔

[wintry ice]

the blue prince

[compact halo]

You can do it

[pure oasis]

Which one carries longer in this setup Scary Face or Photo? I have now 6 lucky cards in deck to create value, one of those is red seal ten (trying to push it to King)

[compact halo]

I’ve been getting pretty bored lately. Would be happy to hold your hand through it

[wintry ice]

photo goes higher

[obsidian cargo]

Anyways
Is this a valid strategy

I draw pot of greed which allows me to draw two more cards from my deck

I follow it up with playing five of a kind aces before saying uno

I now get to go fish

[compact halo]

Photo. Mult always carries farther than chips

But you need levels

[royal bobcat]

That could happen in a real run I see nothing weird in that setup. Hanging doesn't rly go with these jokers but maybe you have lucky cards or gold seals

[wintry ice]

you'd need levels regardless

[pure oasis]

even in Plasma Deck?

[obsidian cargo]

I honestly like having hanging chad in early to mid game when I get it

Like it’s a nice boost

[wintry ice]

it gets affected by planets while scary face doesn't

[royal bobcat]

Hanging chad is one of the best jokers in the game

[obsidian cargo]

Cause like
With some luck you can either find a negative tag or make it negative

[royal bobcat]

Hanging is good with pretty much everything

Easy to use

Works with everything

[wintry ice]

it's pretty versitile

[royal bobcat]

Free joker

[wintry ice]

it can boost your economy with gold seals and lucky cards

[royal bobcat]

You only really 1 good card too

[obsidian cargo]

With your name in this server I’d think you hate it /j

[wintry ice]

and then help with scoring later if you have glass cards and a few levels

[royal bobcat]

It's not as powerful as let's say a hologram or an obelisk, right. But it's just so... Chad

+8 with mult cards

[wintry ice]

they have different niches

though fast scaling xmult is a niche that inherently has more value

[pure oasis]

Photo gets affected by planets? was this reply for me?

[royal bobcat]

+62 with bonus cards

[quartz ember]

especially on plasma deck

[wintry ice]

it multiplies the base mult from them

so it can scale

[deep rapids]

i do need someone to hold my hand in general

lol

[obsidian cargo]

Would yall rather:

free negative blueprint

Or

20 real dollars

[zinc karma]

Never on a gold stake 😢

[royal bobcat]

Mhm I wasn't comparing them for the same role but moreso like "which joker could help make my run easier/better more"

[deep rapids]

free neg blue

[royal bobcat]

20 real dollars

Give me money

Now

[lunar zealot]

obelisk without a +chips joker

[obsidian cargo]

Bros running irl green deck

[wintry ice]

20 real dollars so that i can buy silksong when it's on sale

[royal bobcat]

And it still wins

[lunar zealot]

i never want to hear a single fucking line of obelisk slander ever again

[royal bobcat]

No silksong already?

[lunar zealot]

you don't even need +chips to use it

my obelisk is x6.2

[wintry ice]

random ass planet levels happen to be enough

[lunar zealot]

you literally have 0 excuse of not using obelisk

[quartz ember]

scary face is limited to 300-400 chips for you there, photo is x32, so if you get 10-15 base mult from somewhere it alreafy beats that, and then you can scale it further, not to mention that you can have any other xmult and it synergizes

[lunar zealot]

okay yeah FINE i have constell astronomer

[pure oasis]

ok, yes got it i think. Thanks

[lunar zealot]

but STILL

[zinc karma]

Its hard

[royal bobcat]

Okay well you have a great joker lineup independently of obelisk @lunar zealot

[lunar zealot]

and yet it's still an obelisk run

[wintry ice]

it's a large rock

what did you expect

[royal bobcat]

During rounds it's an obelisk run

But I could say that during shops it's a const run

[pure oasis]

Have been using lots of scary face in runs

[pale wolf]

+chips and +mult are the same to obelisk

[quartz ember]

it do be very good on plasma deck

[wintry ice]

scary face is decent

[pale wolf]

scary face is p good

[pure oasis]

yeah, basic full houses pushed to lvl 30+ it beats pretty high antes

that has been my strategy

[pale wolf]

if odd todd is good then scary face has to be good minus one

[shell dagger]

Astrologer is a chips joker

[pale wolf]

astroboner*

[shell dagger]

Astrobot

[quartz ember]

astromisnomer

[wintry ice]

astrodbskfjskfjsjds

[wintry ice]

speaking of odd todd what gives it so much value

[pale wolf]

chips jokular

[shell dagger]

Scarcity of chips jokers

[wintry ice]

i guess you can make it give a lot of chips on two pairs

[wintry ice]

faie

that does inherently make them better

[shell dagger]

And it’s one of the better chips:mult ratios compared to Steven

Unlike scary face (which is still good)

[deep rapids]

my excuse is that im not skilled enough to play it

[pale wolf]

plus the best number cards are already odd except 2 and 6 and 8

🤪

[manic talon]

Scarcity of chips joker is the only thing thats keeping Square joker out of the streets

[shell dagger]

And bull

[pale wolf]

what about runner

[manic talon]

Runner can hold his own

[shell dagger]

nah runners chill

[wintry ice]

honestly runner isn't that much stronger than square

[pale wolf]

i feel like square isnt that much weaker yea

[wintry ice]

their performance is around the same from my experience but

that's anecdotes

[shell dagger]

With runner you basically never need to care about overscoring

[pale wolf]

granted, blue stake'sa changing

runners gonna get even better

[manic talon]

I think if a chip joker can win plasma gold stake with a blueprint/brainstorm/copy its good enough

And runner can do it

[pale wolf]

and square is staying right where he is

[shell dagger]

What about on its own

[manic talon]

Even better

[wintry ice]

the blue stake rework will make everything that relies on card draws better

[shell dagger]

Square plasma is awkward, you overscore early on then die midgame without another chips source

[compact halo]

[pale wolf]

i dont do plasma square

[acoustic kettle]

Plasma square scale it with hc

[pale wolf]

ill do plasma castle

[full iris]

what are you ditching for the dice?

[fickle onyx]

everything that relies on specific draws, yes
it will not change square joker at all

[pale wolf]

lusty i think

[manic talon]

Youre already hovering on it

[wintry ice]

yea

[pale wolf]

150 chips is more significant than +5 base mult

or like, an effective +8 or something

[quartz ember]

Both can go with a couple (more) hand levels, but lusty is prolly first

[pale wolf]

yea square is likely not even a 2x

[manic talon]

Yea but i hate him more

[wintry ice]

weird

would yorick need a nerf after the blue stake rework

he'd go from instant win with some scoring to instant win