🕹・game-discussion

[hearty kite]

Super secret psychic stuff that you don't get to know

[tame cobalt]

I like serpent

What does golden needle do?

[north spindle]

jokerless is cute at least

[west copper]

g needle is a challenge

[north spindle]

cruelty wasnt that bad i thought?

[tame cobalt]

Yeah I know

But whats it do

[west copper]

gives you a crap ton of discards, but if u use a discard u lose money

u also get only 1 hand

GOOD LUCK IF U GET WATER

[wintry ice]

jokerless is interesting atleast

[tame cobalt]

Christ

[west copper]

CUZ THATS A GURANTEED LOSS

LMAO!!!

[uncut slate]

cruelty is just easier gold stake

[west copper]

FUCK YOU!!

[tame cobalt]

How do you even do jokerless

[wintry ice]

straight

[hearty kite]

RNG

[uncut slate]

play pairs and the water doesn't matter

[rugged umbra]

do the boss blind names actually have connection with what they\ do

[tame cobalt]

Just planet cards and steel?

[hearty kite]

Just get lucky

[white zodiac]

straights/4oak

[wintry ice]

blue seals with straights

[north spindle]

glass too

[final garden]

i got no idea

[tame cobalt]

Ah

[north spindle]

poly if lucky

[tame cobalt]

That sounds like shit lmao

[final garden]

you can do jokerless without enchancement

[north spindle]

its not really that hard imo

[west copper]

you do jokerless by getting lucky with rng and being blessed with a straight build that doesnt get countered extremely early by shitty boss blinds like flint or water

or 4oak/3oak if u manage to hardcore scale them early

but its literally

just straight spam

very intresting!!!!

[white zodiac]

streaking on jokerless wouldnt be a terrible idea if early game didn't have such a high variance

[west copper]

lets remove what makes balatro balatro !!!

[hearty kite]

I genuinely haven't used straights that much as a main hand

[north spindle]

i mean the whole point of jokerless is to be sort of a gimmick?

[tame cobalt]

They should replace seance's spectral card gen with scaling xmult

[wintry ice]

atleast it teaches you how to have a functioning build without jokers

[north spindle]

like theres a reason theres not a "jokerless deck"

[final garden]

straights are a fun hand to try on abandoned or painted deck

just get a runner and some x mult and you just win

[hearty kite]

On abandoned I still do fh

[white zodiac]

teaches you how straights are the best poker hand given zero direction

[wintry ice]

straight flushes need ease of drawing more than they need score

[acoustic kettle]

there's a jokerless seed

[north spindle]

painted deck mentioned 🔥

[wintry ice]

a 3x mult is enough for them to win

[acoustic kettle]

if you ignore buffoon packs

[pale wolf]

they're vaguely themed

[final garden]

yea thats more due to a programming error

[west copper]

i know how to do that, why am i forced to do a whole run of it just to be met with a boss blind that counters my exact build (I COULDNT MAKE ANY OTHER KIND OF BUILD BECAUSE IM LIMITED TO STRAIGHTS AND MAYBE 4OAKS/3OAKS)

had a run go to ANTE 8 on jokerless just to be met with bell... and bell SELECTED EVERY SINGLE IMPORTANT CARD NEEDED while i had to dig for my hands..

if it was ANY OTHER BOSS BLIND (except vv POSSIBLY) i wouldve won

[north spindle]

off the top of my head: the suit boss names are themed, the ox is themed

[wintry ice]

this is what glass is for

[final garden]

yea not surprised 3 of the ante 8 boss blinds do nothing for jokerless

[pale wolf]

the suit bosses are head(think with your head not your heart maybe) club(club) goad(a sort of weapon, kinda like spears) window(diamonds are crystal clear)

[final garden]

thats why they're banned

[north spindle]

wheel is, sort of

[west copper]

remember when verdant leaf was allowed in jokerless?

[north spindle]

the plant and verdant leaf are related to each other

[west copper]

yeah wtf was local thunk

thinking

allowing leaf lmao

[tame cobalt]

It'd be more for normal straight builds tbh, you don't play strushes very reliably without smart tarot usage so each one you do play permanently increases your scoring

[pale wolf]

i don't think so

[final garden]

ive only gotten one successful straight flush build

[white zodiac]

happy coincidence

[west copper]

verdant leaf genuinely is just BRUTAL jokerless lmao thank god it got banned

[north spindle]

i mean
maybe?

[white zodiac]

I've had plenty

[pale wolf]

are you going off the Ox is 0× money idea

[west copper]

nah, plant and leaf have nothing to do with each other

[north spindle]

yeah

[wintry ice]

that would kind of make it either something you never get to scale or something you don't need

[pale wolf]

or theming with bull/bootstraps/matador

[north spindle]

kinda like this too lol

[pale wolf]

plant is faceplant

[north spindle]

esp bull/bootstraps given theyre so directly related to the bb effect

[pale wolf]

mark is a name for a hitman's target, aka headhunting

[white zodiac]

alternatively #🕹・game-discussion message

[tame cobalt]

Eh if I'm playing a straight build it's not too hard to snag a suit tarot card and then use it on a straight hand I'm about to play to turn it into a strush, but that usually doesn't do much atm

[pale wolf]

serpent im not sure, maybe its like, a hydra regrowing heads?

[prisma oxide]

When is it time to pivot? I have a obelisk

[pale wolf]

now 😄 just don't shy away from playing the big hand types when you draw them

[white zodiac]

not ideal given where most of the straight builds power lies in

[pale wolf]

two pairs esp
You don't want to just keep spamming high cards and then get trapped not being able to avoid resetting

[barren wigeon]

straight flushes are not good

they are hard to make and have barely any synergies

might be the worst hand in the tro

at least normal flushes have a use early game

[white zodiac]

fh

[barren wigeon]

flush houses suck but theyre a lot easier to make

[final garden]

right about now

[white zodiac]

not worth the scaling you receive from it

[barren wigeon]

absolutely isnt

[wintry ice]

flush house is usable

[final garden]

maybe play pairs until you get to 25 or 30 just as an extra buffer but just hyper focus on high card rn

[barren wigeon]

id still rather have a flush house than a straight flush

[white zodiac]

fh is ripping off from it's better cousins 3oak and 2 2oak

[wintry ice]

good lategame pivot for flush builds

[barren wigeon]

2 of a kind?

[wintry ice]

full houses are worthless past ante 1

[barren wigeon]

could've just said pair

[pale wolf]

flush house finds more build usage than full house

[white zodiac]

I said 2 2oak

[final garden]

full houses probably need an extra 5 chips from earth

[barren wigeon]

two pair?

[final garden]

idk if they need an extra mult

but 25 chips feels a bit too low

[white zodiac]

[night turret]

The boot works good in later rounds, but the misprint is more luck based

[barren wigeon]

rebate

[night turret]

I personally think the boy

[wintry ice]

extra mult would make it have overlap with 4oak

[barren wigeon]

take rebate

[wintry ice]

why would you not just grab rebate

[final garden]

rebate is i think the best econ joker if you can get it set up

[night turret]

What the fuck is rebate

[final garden]

mail in rebate

[barren wigeon]

dawg

[wintry ice]

misprint isn't doing anything when you have fib

[white zodiac]

the thing on your screen

[night turret]

Oh I see

[wintry ice]

rightmost joker

in the pack

[night turret]

Thanks

[barren wigeon]

the best econ joker in the game?

[tame cobalt]

The power is in the planet scaling, but that only takes you so far, I'd love seance if it had a more useful reward for playing singular strushes

[barren wigeon]

besides trading card but only sometimes

id still prefer rebate

[night turret]

First time ever getting it

[final garden]

trading card isnt really econ

[night turret]

So I didn’t know the name lmao

[barren wigeon]

do you get money

[final garden]

its more deckfixing with econ as a bonus

[wintry ice]

trading card is less econ and more deckfixing

[barren wigeon]

it gives econ therefore it is an econ joker

[acoustic kettle]

Deck fixing with econ on top

[tame cobalt]

It's both imo

[barren wigeon]

it isnt great for econ but it is an econ joker

[tame cobalt]

I mean 3 dollars and free deckfixing is very good

[wintry ice]

needs to be 2 cards for 3$ imo

[final garden]

nah

[barren wigeon]

no

[white zodiac]

found it

[final garden]

trading card is goated

[barren wigeon]

that would be broken

[acoustic kettle]

Imagine if trading card can destroy 5 cards for 15$

[wintry ice]

but dna is just death card

why can't it be hanged man

[barren wigeon]

that would be crazy broken

[barren wigeon]

no it isnt

[tame cobalt]

Found what?

[worldly barn]

Are there any other deck fixing jokers? I usually call it econ just bc it's a more common category

[terse vale]

would have to be like legendary

[worldly barn]

Oh dna

[white zodiac]

seance niche

[barren wigeon]

DNA adds cards to your deck but doesn't transform the others

[wintry ice]

oops all 6s technically

[barren wigeon]

death is better than DNA

[worldly barn]

How?

[wintry ice]

it removes 6s

[tame cobalt]

Very very rare but good job lmao

[worldly barn]

makes glass cards break thonk

[worldly barn]

Are you thinking of sixth sense perhaps

[wintry ice]

it was a joke about a suggestion that said that

[wintry ice]

yeah

[barren wigeon]

no, it removes everything besides 6s

[wintry ice]

i mixed those two up

[final garden]

what would yall consider the worst econ joker

[tame cobalt]

Speculative oops

[barren wigeon]

uhh

depends

[white zodiac]

delgrat

[vocal rose]

del grat

[shell current]

Vagabond and 8-ball with chad and/or oops make so many tarot cards during rounds I consider them deckfixing

[tame cobalt]

Satellite or delayed gratification

Delayed grat is just worse gold joker 90% of the time

[barren wigeon]

yeah definitely one of those two

[vocal rose]

nah satellite is a tier above

[final garden]

yea fair enough

[worldly barn]

Satellite isn't even that bad

[final garden]

matador can be fucking useless but when it works

it pops off hard

[prisma oxide]

Omg obelisk is goated 😭

[tame cobalt]

Rocket kicks satellites ass

[acoustic kettle]

Matador is only bad because it's inconsistent

[tame cobalt]

Oh yeah fuck matador

[worldly barn]

What if it's ante 4

[white zodiac]

satellite with it's horrendous initial money accumulation at least has a variety of other tools that enable it's niche more often

[shell current]

Matador when the boss hits is the best econ joker and matador when the boss doesn’t hit is the worst econ joker

[barren wigeon]

only buy matador when your upcoming boss blind is something you can use it on

[final garden]

getting an ante 1 rocket is just a free win

[barren wigeon]

love rocket

[spiral cairn]

beat fragile

[final garden]

getting a rocket ante 5 onward doesnt do that much

[tame cobalt]

if I'm at ante 4 and no econ joker I'm probably not too in need of it

[wintry ice]

delayed or sattelite

[barren wigeon]

cloud 9 and gold joker are the same thing in most occurrences

[final garden]

ante 1 matador is free as fuck

most of the boss blinds proc matador ante 1

[white zodiac]

matador statically works on half of the boss blinds so it's not in this discussion for basically capping your interest

[tame cobalt]

Cloud 9 can get really nutty with some deckfixing

[wintry ice]

finding 1 strength isn't that bad

[barren wigeon]

so it works on 1/6 of rounds

[white zodiac]

1/2

roughly

on bosses

[barren wigeon]

no it doesn't

half of bosses

[acoustic kettle]

Does arm trigger matador if

Nvm

[barren wigeon]

which is 1/6 of rounds

[acoustic kettle]

It's no

[wintry ice]

if you're not neglecting interest atleast

[wintry ice]

yes

[tame cobalt]

Idk why thunk didn't just make it extra reward when completing a boss blind

[white zodiac]

what

[wintry ice]

it does if it delevels a hand

[acoustic kettle]

If the hand is level one

It's no right

[wintry ice]

no

[night turret]

Just got throwback in the shop

Neg money

[shell dagger]

Working on half the bosses doesn’t necessarily imply 1/6 of rounds because not all bosses can appear early on

[barren wigeon]

do NOT buy it

[shell current]

It’s getting a rework in 1.1

[white zodiac]

just got slop

[night turret]

Time to reset the run

[shell dagger]

But it’s rough enough

[dense wraith]

constellation W on gold stake

[wintry ice]

throwback on plasma is

[final garden]

throwback is the worst xmult scaling joker

[barren wigeon]

yep sounds about right

[night turret]

Nice job

[white zodiac]

not with certain boss limitations on certain antes

[barren wigeon]

wait are we counting baron

[final garden]

baron doesnt scale in x mult

[wintry ice]

baron doesn't scale

[barren wigeon]

didnt see scaling

[shell dagger]

Baron scales but the joker value doesn’t change

[barren wigeon]

carry on

[wintry ice]

if we were just saying xmult jokers

idol would be the worst

[final garden]

throwback needs to be 0.5x to make it at least somewhat viable

[tame cobalt]

I would argue it does scale in terms of increasing the number of kings you're getting

[final garden]

0.25x is just depressing

[acoustic kettle]

Throwback needs to be throwing it back

[white zodiac]

old throwback

[shell dagger]

throwback would be fine if skips were better, buffing the xmult number is one way to do it but skips in general aren’t very strong so it dances around the real problem

[barren wigeon]

yes but it also doesn't work on 4/5 of the ante 8 boss blinds

[tame cobalt]

My throwback rework would be making it scale any time a tag is used instead of skips specifically, gives it anaglyph and diet cola synergy

[night turret]

Go on r34

[barren wigeon]

making it about 1/6

[night turret]

Someone has probably made it already

[prisma oxide]

Accidentaly reseted my bus and obelisk still carried

[unborn onyx]

How do i win higher stakes than white

[final garden]

get good econ

[pale wolf]

my thoughts, just going thru quickly

[tame cobalt]

What are you having trouble with?

[wintry ice]

good economy and scaling jokers

[unborn onyx]

Scoring

[stiff fjord]

i think they should make it so that jokers created and made free by skip tags cannot have stickers

[shell current]

Idol is a justice card that stacks with another justice card aka VV insurance

[final garden]

yea they should

they already made them free make it so they cant be eternal perishable or rentak

[pale wolf]

true

[wintry ice]

idol hits the random 2 you can't make a pair with

[tame cobalt]

There's just a lot of redundant tags tbh

[spiral cairn]

or something

ran out of cards

close enough

[wintry ice]

take scaling mult and chip jokers

[prisma oxide]

Jokers made by riff raff included?

[wintry ice]

things like grimbo, red card, bus or square are great

[tame cobalt]

Why does top-up and the mega joker pack skip both need to exist?

[pale wolf]

that's already the case

[barren wigeon]

Jokers by riff raff cant have stickers

[pale wolf]

they do different things

[tame cobalt]

Technically, but they're still redundant imo

[final garden]

top up is just a riff raff generation

mega buffon is opening a pack

[pale wolf]

theyre different enough imo

[white zodiac]

one is devoid of stickers and the other includes other rarities

[acoustic kettle]

Top up is so useless riffraff does the same thing

[barren wigeon]

you also get other things from opening a pack if you have hallucination

[white zodiac]

and red card value

[tame cobalt]

The one that gives 3 levels of a random hand should be your highest played hand instead imo

[pale wolf]

top up cant be stickers but also you need 2 open slots
buffoon pack you can get stickers but also get redcard/hallu value and can choose if you want the stuff in it without needing open slots

[stiff fjord]

this

[pale wolf]

orbital tag should not be a near always take

[acoustic kettle]

Make it all hands instead

[final garden]

ante 1 investment tag is probably the skip il take whenever i see it

maybe ante 2

[night turret]

FINALLY

[tame cobalt]

I don't think lack of stickers is enough to justify top-up existing

[pale wolf]

none of them are or should be

[night turret]

Now I just need a two pair card

[pale wolf]

skipping stays niche

[white zodiac]

I still like to have some risk representation for skip tags

[pale wolf]

bc its playing less balatro

[white zodiac]

just not what we have atm

[final garden]

ante 1 investment tag is probably the freest skip you should take

[tame cobalt]

It wouldn't be even with that, you're losing a whole shop and econ by doing it just for 3 planet levels which isn't even always useful depending on the build

[white zodiac]

not always

[pale wolf]

its not even 100% take but it is pretty good as far as skips go

thats just 1 ante for it

[white zodiac]

black deck is one example
hand scalers/econ jokers another

[final garden]

how often are you getting hand scalers in ante 1

[pale wolf]

fairly

[white zodiac]

very

a lot of them are common

[acoustic kettle]

Neber

[pale wolf]

Not to mention that you're reducing your chances of getting said scalers by skipping

[spiral cairn]

OK WHAT

oh nvm

bruhh ofc its seeded

[pale wolf]

show pause menu

[spiral cairn]

i wish

its seeded

[pale wolf]

lol

[spiral cairn]

my friend was playing

i thought he actually got

very sad

[barren wigeon]

your most used joker is shoot the moon?

[tame cobalt]

Odd todd is the goat

[barren wigeon]

why

[white zodiac]

yeah

[final garden]

im assuming this is the all legendaries seed

[pale wolf]

purely done intentionally

[white zodiac]

because I have enough hours to intentionally do this

[night turret]

Hmmmm should I get the boy?

[white zodiac]

and not feel like sewage

[spiral cairn]

shoot the moon is peak

[final garden]

basic ass joker stats

[tame cobalt]

Shoot the moon is just a fun card tbh

Death

[night turret]

I did get rid of oops all 6’s

[barren wigeon]

never a situation where you shouldn't get Michael

[white zodiac]

stm also teaches me of the ace tech with rtb if I have that somehow

[wintry ice]

screenshot everything

[barren wigeon]

oh you're in ante 7

[night turret]

Can you check that on mobile too

[barren wigeon]

so uhh

probably not

[night turret]

Alright good talk

[barren wigeon]

or maybe? Idk

[barren wigeon]

yes

options then stats

or something like that

[pale wolf]

rtb stm

[wintry ice]

i'd take chaos if you have a free slot

[pale wolf]

ride the moon and shoot the bus

[white zodiac]

[tame cobalt]

Hit the road would be epic as an uncommon

[white zodiac]

public transit is no more

[night turret]

Wow I really love odd cards

[shell current]

Mobile is nearly Identical to PC except you need to be careful when you shuffle your jimbos because you can accidentally sell them

[acoustic kettle]

I love shooting the bus

[west copper]

DUDE WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY FUCKING KINGS???!?!??????

WHAT do i even DO here bruh 😭

[tame cobalt]

What is thunks fascination with face cards and public transit

[pale wolf]

You can just go to main menu and back to fix it anyways

[night turret]

In your hand dumbass

[west copper]

3oak will not win

[pale wolf]

Ride the bus is a real game IRL

[west copper]

this

lmao

[tame cobalt]

I did not know this

[wintry ice]

you were the one who chose to go for flush 5

[barren wigeon]

my most used joker is probably Chad

[stiff fjord]

scream if you love chicot

[west copper]

it was literally the only build presented to me

what the fuck else was i supposed to go for

[night turret]

It’s the one where you have to try and guess the card suit, number and how much in or out right

[wintry ice]

literally how

[tame cobalt]

I am the reason thunk made that poll about how many people in the server have played card games irl

[acoustic kettle]

My most used jokers are
Chad
Photo
Blueprint
Brainstorm

[wintry ice]

could 4oak not have worked?

[west copper]

i have 4oak leveled up too incase u didnt see

[marsh goblet]

do i go for this chad?

[lost hawk]

is uno a card game

[wintry ice]

why not go with that

[acoustic kettle]

Flush five uno

[west copper]

i have 1 hand left to find 1 more king

if i dont find it

[west copper]

my runs over

lmao

[tame cobalt]

He specified a game with a standard deck of playing cards

[west copper]

im at 30ak rn

[tame cobalt]

Which I had not at the time of that poll

[white zodiac]

black++ shaping up to be the same slowly

[languid pecan]

gun

[tame cobalt]

And I still have not come to think of it

[wintry ice]

you put a pipe in your bicycle wheel and blamed it on rng

[lost hawk]

i play solitaire because I have no friends

[west copper]

wtf do u mean i put a pipe

i literally did all i could do in that run

[shell current]

Doing ante 39/attempts on main just absolutely wrecks your stats and then you end up with 3,000 pluto cards and temperances with blueprint as your most used joker

[wintry ice]

?

[pale wolf]

why are you doing this

[acoustic kettle]

I play poker against myself and lost

[pale wolf]

shoot the moon is not that good

[barren wigeon]

ok this is my mobile account but idk why I use runner so much

[bleak blaze]

RIP to the biggest castle ive ever had

[tame cobalt]

It's fun

[spring dragon]

Do I take this?

[tame cobalt]

Until you get plant and then you cry

[pale wolf]

I don't have fun playing any Joker over and over again

[stiff fjord]

shoot the peak

[tame cobalt]

In-hand builds are fun imo

[bleak blaze]

COUGH Photochad

[white zodiac]

gime the windows 7 hearts stm lore

[white zodiac]

why am I doing what

[languid pecan]

its 4x your base mult

[tame cobalt]

It gets kinda repetitive just playing regular +mult scaling joker builds over and over again

[spring dragon]

Huh?

[night turret]

And time to go eat breakfast

[pale wolf]

there's no way you organically just have shoot the moon as your best Joker, gotta be intentionally trying to

[barren wigeon]

he is probably talking about invis

[night turret]

My brain just don’t work

[barren wigeon]

not photo

[spring dragon]

I'm talking about invis

[barren wigeon]

but uhh

[white zodiac]

for the silly

[barren wigeon]

im actually not sure

[spring dragon]

Canio is at 20x

[barren wigeon]

what's your flash card mult rn

[barren wigeon]

selling canio is never an option so

[spring dragon]

Indeed

[wintry ice]

what are flash card and fortune at

[spring dragon]

Indeed I shall take invis

[barren wigeon]

yeah whats your flash card at

[spring dragon]

Well

[lyric shore]

i reckon you cant lose either way

[spring dragon]

Hold up

[white zodiac]

remember who I used to be

[spring dragon]

26 fortune and 50 flash

[barren wigeon]

sell fortune

[fading cobalt]

Fuck you showman

[pale wolf]

whats that

[wintry ice]

i'd sell fortune

or sock

[white zodiac]

windows 7 hearts player

[spring dragon]

Sell fortune, take invis, sell everything and copy canio

[pale wolf]

big brain discord server here, sell the smaller mult joker

[spring dragon]

Fool proof plan

[wintry ice]

showman moment

[languid pecan]

you got a full house of planet cards

[white zodiac]

pair

technically

[languid pecan]

if only it was 2 mercury 3 venus

[barren wigeon]

a straight actually

[west copper]

finally... this shitty challenge is over.. (got lucky in the serpent and drew one more king and clutched up with 4oak)

god

[languid pecan]

damn it i didnt see the mercury

[west copper]

fuck jokerless lmao

[fervent wolf]

Do I take invis? Also is this a good setup

[languid pecan]

or the pluto

wtf

[west copper]

and now thats all challenges done woohoo

[barren wigeon]

what hands are you playing

what's your bus at

[fervent wolf]

3 oak

[barren wigeon]

how many aces

[languid pecan]

i didnt have my glasses on i thought i saw 3 venus lmao

[wintry ice]

flush 5 on jokerless is the equivalent of baron on ante 8

[marsh goblet]

do i take this trio despite my lack of deck fixing or just wait for cavendish to appear?

[west copper]

wooooooooooo

[barren wigeon]

no

[wintry ice]

show planets

[stiff fjord]

chat i am going to go to sleep

[fervent wolf]

6 aces but the strength will give two more and bus is at 31

[lyric shore]

does x20 canio not already beat vv

[stiff fjord]

send predictions on which jokers are going to appear in my dreams

[barren wigeon]

do you plan on playing a bunch of aces

[west copper]

67% progress 💔

[fervent wolf]

Yes, 100%

[marsh goblet]

barely any levels in anything, highest level hand is a level 3 pair

[fervent wolf]

Ace build

[marsh goblet]

hanging chad is kinda carrying my chips rn

[pale wolf]

fibonacci baron synergy

[white zodiac]

uh oh

[wintry ice]

you could take it speculatively

[barren wigeon]

then maybe sell faceless

[fervent wolf]

Okay, I mean let's be fair, all of those jokers are good to duplicate

But I will drop faceless

[barren wigeon]

yeah, but you need the joker space

[fervent wolf]

Yeah, I'm aware, I wish I would have an ecto

[barren wigeon]

and faceless is giving you the least value currently

[barren wigeon]

yeah

dont we all

[wintry ice]

sell scholar if your levels are good

[serene forge]

pretty good start tbh

[fervent wolf]

Yeah, I only use it for early econ and I already have gold sticker on it

[wintry ice]

polychrome is better than it imo

[serene forge]

(the other choice in the buffoon pack was hologram but it was rental sadly)

[fervent wolf]

Trying to gold sticker scholar

[wintry ice]

ic

[fervent wolf]

+levels are still in dev

[wintry ice]

you could sell chad i guess

[white zodiac]

oh two of my last runs were stm runs

[neon tusk]

All my homies hate the flint

[white zodiac]

don't you think it's cooler to win with occasionally mid jokers than to win with meta ones from time to time

[wintry ice]

looks inside
bus

[white zodiac]

erm

I could've thrown it away

[west copper]

ive been playing challenges so long i forgot how it feels to have actual normal runs on high stakes

❤️

feels good

[fervent wolf]

I'm getting mixed answers, one is saying to sell Chad, the other saying sell faceless

Lol

[west copper]

sell faceless

[white zodiac]

prob should've after seeing a8 since it wasn't vessel

[west copper]

tbhtbh

[marsh goblet]

this polychrome skip is very tempting cuz i need scoring

[terse vale]

probably chad

[fervent wolf]

Real answer is to sell bus

For sure

[wintry ice]

i value poly econ a lot

[west copper]

yes game, i WILL be taking a rare skip tag on ante 1 gold stake

for sure bro

[white zodiac]

muh

[pale wolf]

I have footage of any Joker not on this list being useful in a gold sticker run

[white zodiac]

glutenous

[balmy ridge]

what am i looking for? reeeeeally dont wanna throw this run, i've been trying to beat gold stake erratic all day

[pale wolf]

yeah it's called glutenous Joker because club sandwiches have an extra slice of bread

duh

[marsh goblet]

damn the flint...

[balmy ridge]

tha deck

[white zodiac]

I like club sandwich

the local ones here

[fervent wolf]

Me being on here

[west copper]

ALWAYS TAKE THE UNCOMMON SKIP TAG

❤️

ALWAYS

[balmy ridge]

what is a club sandwich

[west copper]

RARE TAG MAY BE BAIT BUT UNCOMMON WILL NEVER MISTREAT YOU GRAHH

[white zodiac]

big mac if it was healthy and a sandwich

[fervent wolf]

So do I drop faceless or chad....I got two new answers but one of each

[west copper]

gg

just gg

its already over

i win

🙏

[fervent wolf]

I might drop Chad, I have rtb and trio + poly faceless if I desperately need mult

[pale wolf]

are burgers not sandwiches

its food between bread

[uncut slate]

hey i had an stm+baron run where baron was useful (dies to the plant btw)

[balmy ridge]

i take summit?

[fading cobalt]

Spectral card idea: convert all cards in hand into a random enhancement -1 hand

[pale wolf]

I want to clarify that I probably have footage of many of the Jokers on that list also being useful, they just weren't in the run that I got sticker on them

[tame cobalt]

Anaglyph is fun

[fading cobalt]

I'm wondering if it should be the same enhancement for all cards or a random enhancement for each card

[white zodiac]

burgers have ground meat
sandwiches have deli with even slices of bread on the outsides

[fading cobalt]

Also what if we had spectral cards that were -1 joker slot

[tame cobalt]

I wish you could pick the rank for ouija

[fervent wolf]

We are LOCKED

[pale wolf]

That's overly restrictive

submarine sandwiches are sandwiches

[white zodiac]

square and rectangle situation

[tame cobalt]

Burgers are a kind of sandwich

[white zodiac]

this is repeated on menus so

I use this clarification too

[fervent wolf]

Rtb+2 holographic trio is awesome

[tame cobalt]

Sandwich is anything slapped between two pieces of bread

[white zodiac]

im not gonna call uncrustables burgers

[fervent wolf]

FOIL rtb no less, thank you ante 1 shop 🫡

[white zodiac]

sandwich also doesn't always imply meat

[wintry ice]

butter sandwich 🔥

[pale wolf]

me neither but I will call burgers sandwiches

[fading cobalt]

I beat the plant with a face card build

[white zodiac]

chocolate

[tame cobalt]

You have it backwards

[white zodiac]

sandwitch

[white zodiac]

that wasn't the focus of the claim but ok

[pale wolf]

burger is a kind of sandwich

[tame cobalt]

You said big mac if it was a sandwich

A burger is a kind of sandwich

So a big mac is a sandwich

[wintry ice]

what kind of sandwich puts bread in the middle

[white zodiac]

big mac if it had even cut crust

there

[pale wolf]

club

lol

[white zodiac]

club sandwich

[wintry ice]

true

[pale wolf]

That's how this sandwich situation started, stupid

[tame cobalt]

Toast sandwich

[wintry ice]

wait so the club people sell big macs

ew

[pale wolf]

sorry I don't need to call you stupid I just like the alliteration

[white zodiac]

it's my run of the mill lunch food studying abroad

[white zodiac]

stupid

[pale wolf]

a club sandwich i believe needs a slice of bread/toast in the middle and to be bacon tomato lettuce and something else

and maybe mayo is required too

[blazing bolt]

i should sell mime right?

[pale wolf]

its 100% bullshit theres no sandwich related jokers

besides glutenous ofc

[wintry ice]

i'd sell a baron and supplement it by copying it

[fervent wolf]

Ecto?

[true sierra]

why did I parsed this as glutinous

[pearl wadi]

Hmmmm

[wintry ice]

could sell a mime for rebate too if you can

[pale wolf]

i think thats a valid spelling of it too

[true sierra]

mochi joker

[wintry ice]

glutenous joker has a lot of gluten

[pale wolf]

im joking when i call it glutenous, the real joker is gluttonous

[spiral cairn]

i love seeded runs

if only i kept that baron

ima try this same run again

but keeping the baron this time

[blazing bolt]

so whats the move

[spiral cairn]

lets see how far i get

[blazing bolt]

sell both?

[pale wolf]

i dont know endless

[pearl wadi]

How would that work with trib

[spiral cairn]

i have a lot of kings

the ones in deck would give atleast x4.5

and sock i have too

so thats x9

and i was gonna get paintbrush after

one thing i realised

[pale wolf]

?

[spiral cairn]

canio is pretty much useless

in this run

[spiral cairn]

idk i cant count

[pale wolf]

what in the world are you saying

where are these numbers coming from thats not how xmult works

sock doesnt interact with baron and 3 kings isnt 4.5x

[cloud sinew]

that's not how xmult stacks and sock doesn't work with baron

[spiral cairn]

uh

[pale wolf]

and two 4.5x is not 9x

[spiral cairn]

not my brain

probably

[fading cobalt]

Ante 10 scaling legendary joker is kind of a rip but man do I love econ

I lost here

[warped snow]

i guess i got lucky

[spiral cairn]

but

would this be better with checkered deck

[fading cobalt]

And i had like 13 vouchers

[spiral cairn]

or plasma de3ck

this run

[fading cobalt]

Or no 12

I would've had 12

[cloud sinew]

plasma for score

[spiral cairn]

i feel plasma

yeah

ima go for that

[fading cobalt]

Cuz I got two voucher tags

[warped wave]

could I get some help?

[pearl wadi]

The BEST legendary is square joker trust, jimbo is the second best

[fading cobalt]

[pale wolf]

when the common is common

[warped wave]

thoughts?

[spiral cairn]

plasma deck so peak

[warped snow]

i legit never get chad

[fading cobalt]

I know what word that is buddy, do a better job at scribbling it out

[warped snow]

sorry 😔

[blazing bolt]

so should i sell both mime and get rebate and dna?

[fading cobalt]

Why the hell would you get rebate?

[blazing bolt]

idk

for econ?

[fading cobalt]

I think you're good bro

How much rerolling are you doing? 😭

[warped wave]

could I get some help please?

[balmy ridge]

DO NOT REDEEM IT

[balmy ridge]

what the heck you have my name

[fading cobalt]

With what??

[pale wolf]

I still think this is the craziest call out I've ever done

[warped wave]

this

[fading cobalt]

What do you need help with

I'm kinda lost

[pale wolf]

riff raff made the exact 2 commons i said

in 1 round

[fervent wolf]

Ggs

[warped wave]

I dont know what to do. I beat last boss barely so I don't know what I should do now, as at that time I also had 2.5x on campfire

[cloud sinew]

what are your hand levels?

[warped wave]

two pair at lvl4

[fading cobalt]

Buy square joker and sell

[west copper]

lightwork run 🙏
idk why im getting alot of flush fives today

[cloud sinew]

full house / 3 of a kind?

[warped wave]

full house level 3 three of a kind level 5

[cloud sinew]

take trio then

[pale wolf]

oh trio all the way

You're completely fine I think

[fervent wolf]

First hand it selected my glass ace and I had cryptid and 2 more aces in my hand

Thanks cerulean bell!

[warped wave]

this is the extent of my deck fixing though

[cloud sinew]

doesn't matter much, as long as you can draw 1 full house a round you're set

[pale wolf]

probably not an issue

[warped wave]

I'll try

[pale wolf]

also don't forget to take and sell the square

:p

[warped wave]

I did

oh now I think I can't lose

[pale wolf]

that should be gg just buy and sell chad first 🙂

[spiral cairn]

ALEEB

legendary in all 3 ante 1 arcana packs

ante 2 first round arcana pack

ante 3 first round arcana pack

oh wrong channel

[pale wolf]

we know about it lol

It's probably the most known seed

[warped wave]

well this is my 421st attempt at balck deck gold stake, and I lost my 310th to a bad last boss so

[pale wolf]

jesus

[fervent wolf]

A wild nat negative hack appears!

[pale wolf]

if only it did As

[fervent wolf]

Exactly

[vocal quartz]

life is good

[vocal matrix]

Sometimes I just want to delete this game

[fervent wolf]

New and improved hack! (+As)

[warped wave]

I've been playing balatro for two weeks now, and aside from the decks I got to white stake to unlock challenges, this is the only deck I have played lol

[cloud sinew]

$10

[pale wolf]

rental hack is worth with two lucky 2345s per round

[violet bear]

Trib thinks he’s part of the team

[gusty python]

what deck did y'all use to get the final jokers for C++, have 16 left and just not reliably finding them in my runs

[cloud sinew]

It would take 3 to be better than rental on average, for what hack provides.

[warped wave]

what should I copy off brainstorm?

[cloud sinew]

blue or abandoned

[simple jacinth]

ghost

[shell current]

Yellow deck and blue deck are the goats

[pale wolf]

it's close enough

[simple jacinth]

ghost is good because you play towards popping a late game ecto

[pale wolf]

esp below interest where its true

[warped wave]

anyone?

[shell current]

Ghost is good early-mid c++ for ectoplasm but spectral in the shop does mean fewer jokers in the shop

[gusty python]

ok so econ really is just that important to be able to roll for them makes sense

[cloud sinew]

below interest that makes it require more $ on average because of interest brackets

[marsh goblet]

okay stuntman is cracked

also i found hologram in a shop right before a mega standard pack skip with 5 double tags

[simple jacinth]

depends if you have more uncommons than anything else to farm for

commons you can find off riffraff, rares you might be able to wraith for especially earlygame

[marsh goblet]

im proud of myself for only needing like 2 or 3 attempts to beat gold stake anaglyph

[cloud sinew]

marginally. going from 20/28 to 20/30 is a difference of like... ~7% relative spawn rate

[gusty python]

I have 4 commons left and 12 uncommon have all rares and legendaries

[cloud sinew]

just go for abandoned or blue then

[gusty python]

ok thanks

[willow frost]

i used ghost the whole way lol

[pale wolf]

uncommon way of playing, you're aware black is the hardest deck?

[shell current]

Ghost deck is always dopamine so that’s valid too

Spectral cards give the good neuron activation

[cloud sinew]

ghost deck is huge for rares if you're willing to savescum

[willow frost]

yeah lol

[warped wave]

yes

[atomic trout]

Why is Black Deck, Purple Stakes, a nightmare?

[white zodiac]

that’s their intention of playing it first

[willow frost]

goated?

[heady raptor]

how to beat gold stake checkered deck

[warped wave]

hello again

[atomic trout]

Score higher than the score 🤣

[shell current]

Because you have 75% the early econ and 75% of the scoring as other decks

[white zodiac]

sup

[warped wave]

almost have it beat

[cloud sinew]

because -1 hands is -$1 a round, -1 scoring opportunity a round, -5* cards seen a round, -1 scaling attempt a round
all for one joker slot which doesn't help you much at all until the midgame (A4+)

[warped wave]

this is ante 7 boss

[unreal iron]

me when im winning

[atomic trout]

So many pair of pants for camping. Under the Eternal stargazing.

[warped wave]

should Brainstorm copy pants or what?

[cloud sinew]

yes

pants is the best copy here

considering you had a +64 trousers earlier

unless your campfire is like x9 or something

[white zodiac]

I doubt it knowing his econ rut yesterday

[pale wolf]

if you had 22 base mult its equivalent to copy trio, no?

[balmy ridge]

does todo list pick based on your deck like idol?

i mean

rebate

[pale wolf]

How would it

[balmy ridge]

idiot

[pale wolf]

yes

[warped wave]

wait I think I am going to lose

[balmy ridge]

good

[white zodiac]

should be fine

[balmy ridge]

what are campfire and blue guy at?

might be better to copy them with brainstorm

[shell current]

It picks based on the hands you have unlocked (ie won’t be on 5oak if you haven’t played it that run)

[pale wolf]

well yeah

but that's not your deck

[balmy ridge]

i meant REBATE i corrected myself

[warped wave]

1.5 x and 2x consecutively, but pants have 72 mult each

[pale wolf]

oh gosh you needed to scale that campfire

[cloud sinew]

trousers is absolutely the best copy there

which sucks but

nothing you can do now

[white zodiac]

base mult isn't high enough to consider and with multiple flat mult

[fervent umbra]

i am a proud black deck main

[warped wave]

what do you think I should play here

[fervent umbra]

fear me

[white zodiac]

straight for chips assuming your hand that you just played wasn't your best one

[pale wolf]

the only way out is a 3oak or full house that is not gonna do enough

[fervent umbra]

definately a straight or flush of clubs

maybe a royal flush if ur up for it

[white zodiac]

you're not helping 😐

[vocal quartz]

do i sell stuntman for drivers license

[warped wave]

hold on

[fervent umbra]

do you have the condition unlocked?

[vocal quartz]

yes

[fervent umbra]

then yeah

[willow frost]

they have two vagabonds and two copiers

[fervent umbra]

the extra hand size with the blue print is def a better moev

[pale wolf]

you have 2 8s in hand so i would throw 5679J and hope for a full house/3oak with 8s
I don't know if that's correct

[willow frost]

its literally impossible to not have the condition

[warped wave]

the straight would give me 45k so I cant play straight

unless I hope

[pale wolf]

actually I would throw the blue seal instead of the Jack

only one 2 left in deck and survival is most important

[warped wave]

it discarded an 8, so i think this hand loses

[pale wolf]

oh god i forgot it was hook

ur so done

[white zodiac]

yeah uh

[heavy heron]

oh lord

it’s joever

copying pants?

[pale wolf]

idk if theres any counterplay there

[white zodiac]

not the ideal boss blind to bring trio for emergency

idk

[heavy heron]

i hate the hook

imo the worst ante 1 boss

not even manacle i mind

[white zodiac]

I'd have to play the seed myself for optimizing

[warped wave]

....

[pale wolf]

a1 hook is okay if you got scoring

[warped wave]

I lost again

[white zodiac]

do you

[heavy heron]

it’s alright bro

keep trying

[white zodiac]

ok

[heavy heron]

LOL

BRO IS GONNA SEED

[pale wolf]

bad vibes

[warped wave]

hey again

[white zodiac]

well yeah

[heavy heron]

hey

you got this

try again

[warped wave]

attempt 422 begins lol

[white zodiac]

actually I don't have time atm

[heavy heron]

don’t do it just to beat it that’d just make someone feel bad

[white zodiac]

need to catch a subway

[fervent umbra]

black deck is not for the weak

keep at it

[white zodiac]

im doing it for the purpose of giving advice

[heavy heron]

fair but on attempt 422 it might not mean much atp

[white zodiac]

u think every seed request is for skill checking

[heavy heron]

no

i’m just aware it might make someone else feel not good

[warped wave]

honestly if its taking me this long it likely is lack of fundamentals

as this is the only deck I play

[heavy heron]

maybe

advice is fair

[white zodiac]

I don't think they would mind as much if this is their 421st run

[warped wave]

I have had 10 gold stake runs where I got a legendary joker, and The farthest I ever got was ante 6 with one

I just checked in stas

[pale wolf]

in 420 runs you should have seen 60 legendaries
granted thats counting all 8 antes

and seeing all packs

[warped wave]

the other three are from earlier stakes

plus I reset

a good amount

If I dont draw a flush or draw into a flush

sometimes I reset specifically for investment tag

[pale wolf]

and you count each reset as an attempt?

[warped wave]

other times for fun I would skip for polychrome, and If it sucks i reset

[vocal quartz]

wahhh violet vessel is too hard wahhh

i love vagabond

that’s my boy

[warped wave]

well I try every time

I do attempt it

[wintry ice]

copy polychrome or blue seal

[violet bear]

based

[warped wave]

I guess aside from investment tag skips, but I do that rarely

[robust lance]

(Literally has a goated build)

[balmy ridge]

hi i got dna first shop. go for hearts incase bloodstone?

[pale wolf]

gotta be bait

[sleek agate]

i would sell the dna and ignore bloodstones

[warped wave]

also I used to always skip spectrals

so it is skewed

[balmy ridge]

no

im deaduzz

[pale wolf]

thats rough tho spectrals are the minority of soul sightings

[warped wave]

yeah

[wintry ice]

getting dna and aiming for speculative bloodstone of all things is

so questionable

[balmy ridge]

ok but i mean

like

[warped wave]

I only started opening them in the two hundreds of attempts

[pale wolf]

you take not dna and save your money

[balmy ridge]

what should i start copying

it was in a pack

[wintry ice]

your money by selling it

[balmy ridge]

but its good no?

[wintry ice]

dna without direction is pretty useless

[pale wolf]

could get an interest step more likely than not

[sleek agate]

dna is generally not good

[pale wolf]

I think it could be worth keeping if it came from a pack

[wintry ice]

adding random cards makes it so your future seals are less common

[pale wolf]

but you don't use it until you actually have a good card for it

[balmy ridge]

well i literally just told you it came from a pack

[sleek agate]

also hi people, im back

[pale wolf]

You don't just copy plain cards

[balmy ridge]

also im on zodiac deck so i can get more tarots to enhance thin etc

[balmy ridge]

yeah obviously not

[pale wolf]

I know that's literally why I just mentioned it

[pale wolf]

You just said you wanted to copy hearts for bloodstone though

[viral raft]

I hate Magic Trick

[pale wolf]

its a magic trap

[balmy ridge]

ok whatever man i fucking reset

[pale wolf]

whyh

[balmy ridge]

since dna just sucks i guess and im a stupid idiot i guess

[pale wolf]

nah not engaging with that anymore

[balmy ridge]

flip my hecking chungus life

[sleek agate]

worst voucher

[white zodiac]

ok so in the seed I'm running I'm going to make an assumption that he overspent on a2

[white zodiac]

there's worse

[wintry ice]

you could just take the refund

[viral raft]

heck nah Magic trick is way the worst voucher

[wintry ice]

anyways do i copy my blue ace or poly 6

[white zodiac]

we just had this conversation yesterday

[tardy spade]

technically blank is the worst voucher

[pale wolf]

tycoon vouchers are generally worse than magic trick, but you wouldnt see them without being in a situation where they're better

[sleek agate]

magic trick is the hologram voucher

[balmy ridge]

which one is that again

buy playing cards?

[pale wolf]

zodiac is interesting for this

[viral raft]

nope because makes Antimatter appears, is worthy if you have money

[tardy spade]

because you wouldn't take T1 for no reason

[pale wolf]

aye

The prerequisite makes it less likely to even see the worse voucher

[wintry ice]

magic trick and planet tycoon are generally detrimental

[pale wolf]

magic trick being a tier 1 makes it a lot worse

[wintry ice]

blank just does nothing

[white zodiac]

10 dollar drain

[cobalt torrent]

do folks value taking hone/glow up in typical runs

[wintry ice]

anyways what do i copy

[white zodiac]

no

sometimes it's a detriment

[wintry ice]

they're basically a fancy blank voucher

[tawdry spade]

When do you guys think Jimbo’s gonna get more friends?

[rustic oak]

Not only did I reroll for the joker I was looking for, but I also got it as a holo? Let’s fuckin gooooo

[balmy ridge]

does tarot tycoon also mean that more arcane packs show up? or it only affects the rollable shop

[tawdry spade]

I don’t have anyone I wanna put on my clubs atm

[tardy spade]

no but it's much less of a detriment than tycoons or magic trick

[tardy spade]

only affects the shop

[cobalt torrent]

Right, rarely has it been impactful, just blowing $10 for fun cuz youre fluid on money

[rustic oak]

Now the question becomes, do I wanna sell troubadour or the second square

I think second square

[white zodiac]

vouchers:
Merchant Vouchers change the weights from 4 to 9.6
Tycoon Vouchers change the weights from 9.6 to 32
Ghost's spectrals have a weight of 2
Magic Trick cards have a weight of 4

[kindred valley]

Dude the amber acorn just killed me because I couldn't tell where my jokers were

[tardy spade]

skill issue

[wintry ice]

hi

[kindred valley]

I had a baseball card that I was copying with brainstorm and the order mattered super hard I just kept missing it

[pale wolf]

I feel like it's at best a marginal increase in scoring and at worst makes things expensive for no reason

[kindred valley]

First time I've died to amber acorn

[wintry ice]

you can just drag it to the left right after starting the boss blind

[white zodiac]

shop default for finding jokers is 20/28 iirc

[cobalt torrent]

what are u playing, jokerless? blue seal seems fine u have time to refine ur deck

[wintry ice]

jokerless yeah

i already have 8 aces

but i felt like a future 6 pivot could be decent

but then again

i can just use glass cards for xmult

[cobalt torrent]

Right, easier to focus on one rank but you could get to a point where the 6 is impactful

[wise dragon]

Imo, flushes are good for Jokerless, they're easy and consistent to get, and it's way easier to fix your deck for it

[wintry ice]

they don't score

like at all

i'm going with aces i think

[wise dragon]

A few blue seals should do the trick

[pale wolf]

That's one of the few situations where brainstorm is better than blueprint, because you don't need to know where two Jokers are, only one

[wise dragon]

But yeah, if that works for you, then it's fine

[white zodiac]

we need more nanlet bosses

[wise dragon]

What that?

[wintry ice]

people who care too much about naneinf / endless

[pale wolf]

flush is what good players build Jokerless for when they want to give themselves a unique challenge

[wintry ice]

hm

tough choice

[wise dragon]

But I don't even have c++ and I did it that way lmao

[wise dragon]

Trance absolutely

[quartz ember]

prolly blue yea

[kindred valley]

This run I also took fortune teller over the trio in ante 1

[wintry ice]

i already have 2 blue seals so a few enhanced aces would be good