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Thats half the gimmick of it lol
hmmmmm
You also need 2 mr bones for it to work, and be on a boss blind
It permanently messes up your stats though
I could play each deck on gold stake
How so?
āš
orrrr
thats hte one with 2 mr bones and u die from no cards in deck right?
If you go above ante 39 with it then it's forever stuck
forgor 
I could just play on the next stake i have like a normal person
Which stat is?
I played checkered deck on gold stake, won, and now im convinced im a balatro guru
i thought it was fake the 1st time i saw it with on context 
do I sell egg?
Just the ante one my friends highest ante is 539
u can go into infinite antes pmuch
what was uranus at?
did you not pay attention to the score you had when your x mult was what itās at currently?
but it wasnt that hard since im a flush main anyway
Yes
lvl 3 actually, it is slightly better than full house
can anyone link chip calculator
?
you might have to just sell egg into two pair
balatro calculator
I just use a normal calculator lol
yeah
what was your avg score per hand?
Thats mainly when I play irl Balatro tho
also one extra discard in case you have something else
Why is their only 4x speed this is so slow
this hand will be short
disappointed in the lack of gold cards tho avery š
it will give me 21k
discard for any potential higher chips
fyi you shouldāve sold egg once you saw that your first hand scored less than 1/3 of the score requirement
irl balatro???
listen, once again, this is the only deck I have played since getting the game two weeks ago aside from 4 others I beat white stake on to get challenges. This is my 412th attempt at black deck gold stake, so I have no other experience
Balatro so good they brought it to real life
try to divide your blind score by the amount of hands you have with the idea of knowing what hands are the stronger and weaker hands scored
Crazy work
it's fine you just need to get used to the small decisions you make
u got this, i believe in you
what a shame that thereās no vc channels here
black deck is.. really tough, u got this tho 
true
I'd kill for coaching channels
I literally only want to beat gold stake then I will learn other decks, but I only watched one video where dr spectred said he beats black decik gold stake forty percent of the time.
gonna do a black deck run out of determination
I would love that so I could help noobs like me lose alot
like where ppl can do coaching or just hang
God i love campfire
i would just be in there on weekends just playing random gs willy nilly
genuinely saves my run so many times
real 
i think if you want to talk to friends here then make a server
He's just better then all of us but I can probably win 5% of the time even tho in technically have 100% win rate on black deck gold stake
A coaching channel would definitely be cool
Hc is best hand trust
pa
I found a way to win without selling egg, unless my math is wrong
i had a 5 black deck win streak but it was mostly undeserved for the first 3 at the time
oh?
flush better
L flush
i thought you died
I GOT HORSED AND FISHED???
im here now
Constellation my beloved
gotta clear 90k somehow
everything except standard and voucher
do I sell the planets or use them for constellation?
xmulters eating good...
use for const, calculate if you wanna double check after campfire
egg + square being sold
use them for constellation
because also
well I am definetly selling egg so that needs to be kept in mind
it gives you an out if the hand you're actually wanting to play isn't happening
egg dies for interest and petroleum
Egg solos
preemptively calculate your first hand if you need to
buy and donāt use them
use them first if you find uranus in the packs, before using uranus
I got uranus
use the other planets first before uranus
I already used everything and got uranus
cool
I'm resorting to the misprint trick lol
oh
does that exist in MLB?
what
the misprint trick
major league balatro
do you use it?
whats the misprint trick
yay i love tricks
if you stare at it long enough, it says the rank of the next card you'll draw for like 1 frame
and it works in the collection viewer, you don't have to actually have misprint
if youāre talking about the misprint tech ik what it is iāve just never used it
then click options, collection, and hover over misprint on the second stage. If you wait long enough, it will show you a number and a letter, like 2D
mhm mhm
Calculate the score of any Balatro hand
you can know your draw every time
hereās your calc in case you need to preemptively calculate your hand score
since you can input your scores yourself and not have to send or share 4 different images worth of information
feel free to share questions though
I'm in shop staring down two jumbo standards, two rental jokers, and an unbreakable joker, I have 2 mult on campfire and 1.6 on constellation, and 25 bucks. My worry is that because the boss is the one that makes you draw 3 cards after any play or discard, and I don't know if my deck fixing is good enough
do you have enough score to beat the boss blind atm
If i took mr bones
you can spend down to sell the jokers in the shop in case you dont
theoretically, yes, but since I am only playing two pairs, my worry is that since I draw three after every play or discard, I won't get the third two pair to win
and then took blueprint
..
No better question
Is blueprint compatible with mr bones
no
thought so
that brings me to this question
If i put blueprint on a gros michel
would the blueprint also be eaten if the gros michel is
mmmm
so you're saying not finding the third 2 pair kills you
I need three two pairs to clear, barely
yikers
and this is without selling the jokers in the shop?
yes, but I am losing a lot of eco off spending 11 on jokers.
also, if I get particularly luck screwed, I may only get one two pair.
i was concerned about that knowing you had nonexistent methods of generating econ via jokers or gold cards
While unlikely, I would lose in that scenario as well
x2 and x 1.6
calculate score if you sold three more jokers to see if you can win with 2 2 pairs
roll down again if not
What happens if i use luchador on the vv if I already have more than 400k?
Ok so Iām debating whether to sell dice or transition out of photochad, but Iām starved for scoring
Idk if i want to try that tbh
I would not clear in two with two two pairs after selling two jokers.
I may clear with two two pairs and a three of a kind though
Gay michele accompanied me since round 1, im so proud of she
fishing for a 3oak is more unlikely than 2pair
My deck fixing consist of me having a lot of kings
so if I draw two two pairs, there is a good chance that I get three of a kind and not two pair
idk your deck composition
red seal or blue seal golds and purples
Agreed
gold seals can work too for 2p especially
i'd definitely start taking more devils though
the math would change if I draw my red seals though.
I would recommend, unless you have face jokers, turing them into aces
no enhancements is crazy
I could also reroll this shop to try for maybe some tarots, which would keep my interest up more than paying for two jokers
I know
anyone have tips for purple stake?? i just got to it with ghost deck but i could probably pivot up to purple stake with plasma instead
I got very unlucky
sell a dice, bluperint into cat
just 7 more jokers to go 
get lucky and score more. Thats unfortuantely all you can do :\
for what?
comp++ 
gah š

yeah, thats what all the advice for higher stakes boils down to
If i dont aim towards C++, will i still be able to become a good player?
mhm 
what do we think guys, do I buy jokers or reroll, or go for it and do neither?
I mean you can, C++ definitely exposes you to using jokers you would usually pass up though, whether they actually help your run or not
generally playing gold stake will force you to think alot more if u wana consistently beat it, generally just comes with practice 
And game is less rng than you think
indeed 
Especially if you run pairs
I want to play for fun though, to escape my reality
buy sell the two cheaper ones
some runs will generally be easier than others but almost all runs are winable 
i reject that immensely
Valid but fun is subjective for everyone
i mean personally im a straight+abandoned deck fiend atm
as in, I don't want it to be a source of worry and pain for me, considering I am already struggling orange stake
if you think you'll die I'd roll down
personally my safe spot would be to spend until I win with 2 2 pairs and a throwaway hand
any higher ranking hand works since I'm assuming you have no other levels outside of that
the rental square recurring villain
I think trio is worth considering
Rental does loads for campfire.
After 9 long months I finally hit a natural naneinf on mobile. Did it on PC 8 months ago.
I could do full house. My concern at the moment is my campfire went from 3x to 1x and I could lose in small blind
thats why I dont like campfire
Thatās fair, though I wouldāve lost without grabbing it earlier
Me over here with no Econ lol
yall need to breathe and sleep devils and econ jokers
you'll see campfire in a different light
The campfirelight
also when you get a planet so high you just start using the blue seals for campfire fuel
cinema
plasma balancing my campfire and const with blue seals š
campfire is VERY functional with the bare minimum econ management (interest cap)
Iām not at interest cap and if I donāt spend on campfire I will die to small blind
yikes
told avery he needed more devils
yeah ur cooked pal
he got gold seals that's it
u need better econ management
well if you want deck fixing that's your deck fixing goal from now on, devils and blue seals
This is my 412 attempt of black deck gold stake. I noticed
i assume there is no way to transfer my account progress if i go from the gamepass version of balatro to the steam one
one of us can go through black deck and the decision making for each ante if only we had the technology here
Holy shit
š
And black deck is the only deck Iāve gone beyond white stake on
I'd go insane by the 10th run
interesting
interesting choice
knocking out the hardest one
itāll make all the other gold stakes way easier
knocking out the hardest deck to make other decks feel like a cake walk
I got to orange stake on it three days ago and Iāve been playing balatro for two weeks, so I thought it couldnāt be that bad to just finish it up
holy heck thats fast
Ive been playing for almost a year now and i havent reached that yet
Itās just concerning since typically people handle it when they have all of the fundamentals down
A week of it I couldnāt play as I was on vacation too
Insane
Trluy insane
So Iāve only truly been playing for a week
The next great player, perhaps?
Is anyone here familiar with hollow knight?
Getting to gold stake in the first place is amazing
getting to gold stake and beating it typically makes someone a great player
on black deck
the speed is crazy though, you have to admit
Just interested
theress cool bugs and shit?
some people sink more time in 1 week than people in a month or a year
I played hollow knight for 250 hours before beating the game once
But I beat it in under an hour
itās all about how much actual playtime there is
no directors cut or suit changers moment
Iām playing about four hours a day, maybe a bit less on some days
completely avoidable
if your face cards werenāt hearts
your scoring is photochad not bloodstone
Or just
Bruh
Don't play bloodstone
yeah thatās a lot and probably some videos sprinkled in for general advice
i was building into bloodstone and potentially an ancient
To be honest, not really
also my scoring was shoot the moon as well as pc
Bloodstone and aj doesn't work that well together
id like to pay attention to how you play the first two antes. the early game decisions will completely determine the pacing of your entire run
Just nat negative dice 
if i got the ancient tbf id just abandon the bloodstone, my deck was entirely hearts at that point
Bloodstone is really unereliable
yeah I wanna know ur fundamentals
so ancient would hit every time
since even for a short amount of time 300+ attempts is ALOT
thatās not how ancient joke works
at all
On my 200th attempt on gold stake I saw dr spectreds video when he said he beat black deck gold stake forty percent of the time. I was just two dejected
It selects a random rank in your deck
That's idol
If its all hearts, its always hearts
nvm i was thinking of castle
Which is why itās less used usually
he's drspectred
Iāve watched a few roffle videos too
comparing yourself to BU is an unrealistic expectation
Still pretty good but thereās better
Roffle is an entertainer first
well he's not gonna teach you much
Very true
youāll always fall short and feel worse which is why you shouldnāt
I wasnāt watching him to learn, just for fun
Roffle heavy is a more realistic run
tbh, its kind of easy to compare yourself to others
Lite is just full of highrolls
I do it a lot
tbf he's in the 2 thousands for the hours sank into the game
never said it wasnāt
just said you shouldnāt
The thing with luck based jokers is that for the econ jokers you can āaffordā for them not to hit so itās ok to evaluate them based on long-term expected value but for scoring jokers if you miss the minimum score requirement you just die so you have to evaluate them based on the low-roll
So bloodstone with no dice is a 1x
bloodstone with no dice is death incoming
Unless you just want to get a funny big number
Today I learned that having 200 Celestial Cards in your deck makes your phone lag and heat up
Also bloodstone is on-scored and on-scored is inherently bad
I wonder why
Boooo
on scored has less good score timing with most other jokers that are used more
while requiring more pieces
Photochad on flushes is a legit strat because flush base mult scaling is halfway decent
for boss blinds or good card draw
Whatās funny is my best hand every is like a one billion hand because I never just play white stake, Iām pretty much always on the black deck grind.
eh not photochad
thatās the only real exception iād say
that reminds me, what is a meta again? ive heard that pairs and photochad is a meta, but i dont understand
On scoring has a higher ceiling i'd say
all you need is those two and your run is practically won if you know how to pilot it
But more vulnerable
I haven't stickered either of them yet š
but yeah
should i pick dna here and hope i get sock/idol again further up? this is my deck atm
I think ballot is my most played card
Fib is strong enough on its own to be decent and bloodstone is the outlier among the uncommon suit jokers
yeah thatās not bad since chad is really good
Jesus Christ thatās a run and a half
fib is good bloodstone bad
My second most is smiley

Todd is good enough being a +60 chips joker
do you take scaling jokers
Todd is underrated
what do you think of red card, supernova, rtb, green joker
what will you do when plant?
Are you referencing xmult or stuff like castle
this is mad wicked actually š i hadnt got a run this prosperous like a month
supernova helped me win the challange with 4 slots and 2 hands/discards
scaling jokers period
already got both the plant and the heart, defeated both lol
Yea bloodstone is the outlier for being bad. Arrowhead and agate are powerful enough early game and rough gem is incredible because itās an econ joker
Depends
things that start at 0 but increase in chips or mult when you do a certain task
i skipped the plant with the voucher and got heart early in the run so it was not that hard
look ay my examples for reference
mark?
I want to skip boss blinds tbh
but yeah can anyone help me? im indecisive about what to do
already got that too lmao
in my book youve alrady won
i got another book tho ;((
I like them as they are pretty good for flat mult, but they may not be a great early pick as on black deck especially if you donāt have a mult joker early you can even lose in big blind.
I should go for completionist++, how hard could it be 
but yeah youre right i dont think i should worry too much lmao
not bad
just takes time
It's not hard
True
gets easier the more you do it
You can just play one deck one strat
anyways imma go trib it 
scaling jokers are the best when you get them as early as possible
by nature of being scaling
I feel like itās really dependent on rng to actually get the chance to use the jokers youāre looking for
black deck makes scaling jokers more cautious to use yeah but it still rewards you for playing the rounds out, usually letting you catch up to the bigger blinds as you get them early on
unless theyāre retroactive
i dont want to spend yeasr though
pants are a good example
c++? depends on how adaptable you are already
Vagabond into the tarot one is fun
Itās more of if I pick up like a ceremonial dagger in big blind I almost guaranteed lose boss blind
I mean I play decently idk
rtb, green, and nova can be good flat mult scalers for the early game as you play with it
yeah that one is different too
Got used to gold stake and saw why people love it so much
So I like them a ton but mainly in small blind or ante 2
still good but not the same
Ngl I originally doubted how fun gold stake was
it leads to having to need WAY better econ management skills
most boring sticker run:
But now that I got used to every mechanic, itās pretty cool
since youāll have to roll down for that specific jokers
My third most used joker is a scaling joker, then photo and acrobat finish off my five most played jokers
Yeah, I was playing extremely bad beforehand lmao
that reminds me, what is a meta?
Donāt ask which one though
And the existence of eternals, perishables and rentals makes decision making so much more important
Most Efficient Tactics Available
most
effective
tactic
available
either works
Why did i say efficient
one time I tanked 3 rentals because I had so many devils
I'm stupid
you're not wrong
so by not doing the meta, you are havng a disadvantage?
that pair blue seal mindset
Not necessarily
ive always found it weird how many c++ players gravitate towards it
Pair is consistent
in blue stake and up where you have 1 less discard, pairs are meta, for consistency reasons
but its the most effective, right?
Well yeah
Not exactly, it just means that youāre using the theoretical best method
Doesnāt always mean itās the best option
it's the most consistent method of finishing a game on gs, despite how boring it is
why not though? It is good for a reason

big 3 mistakes ppl make and offer instant improvement once you overcome : 1. playing too fast 2. not valuing chips 3. spamming high hand builds
Yes it is good, but not in every situation, and take your opinions into account, you might not want to do the same thing every run
Playing pair runs after pair runs melted my brain
Pair blue seal is like having a free negative grimbo and square itās crazy
Ok, do I go for Baron run or Idol run?
š
but everyone is saying to do it
I mean, yeah, because itās good
idk you have free will
if you think it's fun then decide for yourself, try it
i think the impact of the -1 discard on pair meta is very overstated
Would you believe me if I said my Third most played joker is red card lol
maybe
I have a reason though
Balatro is a single player game play what's fun for you
Always hurts to lose in the last boss blind
i will trust those better than me blindly
thatās the best +mult scaler
Iāve used red card like 2 times in my life lmao
that's cool
š
itās amazing in fact
idk if you play pairs as much as I but pretty much every run I noticed could be a straight run was in fact a pair run
trouser runs are pair runs
Anything is a pair run
there are cathedrals yadda yadda
is this like that meme were every run is high card or flush 5
well that's kinda the point. 2 discards or 3, pairs will still be the most consistent hand. they will still be the hand that let's you consistently discard 5 to get to your gold cards, seals. they will still have enough synergies and enough scaling to get thru ante 8
You can force straights like 70% as consistently as pairs if you want to replace the ānot getting any good jokersā rng loss condition with the ānot drawing your handā loss condition
Yeah I know itās great, but Iāve just never had the situation/opertunity to make use of it
I don't like the playstyle though
but high cards are even mor consistent
I notice everyone is saying to play pairs. I pretty much exclusively play flushes. Kind of ironic the only two pair builds I have play have got me to ante 7 and the last boss on gold stake, but still.
It's boring
I went back to flushes
It's not really bad since i'm running plasma
The chips helps
that pants run you had was just a pair run in disguise, you just didn't scale mercury
exclusively playing flushes is a fatal mistake
made up statistics are made up
and they can't get duo, seeing double, sly, jolly, they don't let you throw face cards with rtb
youāre stunting your runs doing that
Ngl I havenāt ever really relied on playing pairs
This is why you're losing
ante 1 and maybe ante 2 itās fine
I donāt see many opportunities to branch into other builds
I do if I need to, just never built upon pairs
scaling jokers donāt care for hand type
hand agnostic jokers are your friends
Like any scaling jokers just automatically works better on pairs
2 pairs have a slightly more noticeable impact on harder decks mainly due to the chip acceleration you benefit from
Maybe Iām too narrow minded, that could be do to lack of instruction or idk.
idk anyone who could see bloodstone or the tribe could say flushes are good
AJ is like a small outlier
for reference
Whats AJ?
bloodstone the deceiver
Ancient Joker
I play flush for the chips
youāll see diminishing returns VERY quickly
Also how do people actually build around obelisk
100% of the time
Play one hand, then pivot out of it
pair runs naturally segue into obelisk pivots
here win
imma need to copypasta obelisk advice
a pair run will fundamentally lead to an obelisk run should you get obelisk
from what ive gathered, know in advance you will get obelisk, and pivot hard
play pairs
play anything else
have agnostic chip/mult
Good lord it's like you didn't listen to a word i said
Itās more of that I am grabbing suit cards from early tarots and droll joker or any of the lusty type jokers.
Wouldnāt that cause a reset sooner or later?
flush n practice has much worse chips scaling than pairs, bc it has the same +15 and makes it much harder to dig for blue seals, harder to get scaling chip joker value, can't throw stones, can't dig for bonus cards
I will say I did do about 2/3 of my first c++ forcing straights because I found that gameplay more interesting and saturn card go brrrr
Not early enough
Play 12 pairs minimum -> play other hands, make sure you know how to use several hands per round to make Obelisk really big
Well you're only aiming for ante 8 win
so you can beat ante 8 without having it ever reset
thats what i gathered from you though :[
those should be prioritized the least for tarots
not when you set the ceiling to a high amount
13ish
So obelisk is more used in ante 8 runs?
Obelisk is not an endless joker
Could see that
an obelisk run works the way it does with pairs because pairs naturally segue into obelisk
more used in gs a8 pair runs and runs that have you play a specific hand type early on
Yeah Iāve always just gone endless, didnāt consider how good it could be in ante 8 runs
something like lusty joker can be used with no deck fixing typically and will get you through ante 1-2
If I see wheel of fortune strength and star in an arcana, Iād always take star.
yeah the discussion is always any 8
thatās a mistake
whether that be rtb, shortcut, runner, pants, fingers, smeared, etc
obelisk does not show up every run but it is both a natural pivot point and an incredibly good joker; so much so that generally speaking it is always worth playing towards obelisk
since your building towards nothing
how? Obelisk is a rare
Would you take strength?
Can you read
@warped wave you need more devils in your profile probably
One scaling mult joker and any foil
like genuine question
goated tarot
I think so?
perhaps if I can strength two of the same jokers if not im taking the chance
devils + deaths
Pair runs (play mostly pairs) -> omg obelisk -> play literally anything else
25% chance for a really good edition is amazing
I think i am just an idot tho
i mean i probably put obby minimum top 15 and maybe top 10 because it can save runs that absolutely nothing else would. but when you have great planet generation and no chips jokers it's useless
and then you blue or red seal the gold cards
shut up
Obelisk is not guaranteed to appear in every game
the bit i dont understand is the second step
Exaclty!
and yet it is so good that you should in an ideal world play towards obelisk
Well for gs you're mostly running pair runs anyway
I mean you could easily speculative high card
Just for the chance to be able to have a good pivot should the opportunity arise
and with pair runs that is easy to do
I donāt think I even have a sticker on obelisk lmao
and as long as you win the blind then obelisk will scale harder
omg 0.8x mult per round !!
couldnt you make that argument for canio, etc?
all you need is a scaling +mult and +chips joker which is what you want to do anyway
and play lots of pairs which is what you do anyway
And all you need is 14 pairs
like at minimum an early obelisk is just driver's license but scaling
saying you should always play towards obby is like saying you should always play towards ancient or always play towards license
canio isn't something you get rewarded from playing normally all the time
but you can always play towards obelisk
especially on pair runs
because pair runs naturally segue into obelisk pivots
you naturally play towards obelisk when you do pairs
idk why you wouldn't unless you aren't doing something right
I have to go to sleep, so you all can school me tomorrow.
I mean most runs you're naturally building obelisk
In the same vein you should always play towards blackboard
no, you naturally play towards obby when you do pairs with a chips joker you keep forever
Unless you play everything possible
I have decided that I will stick with my green stake runs, this is too confusing
you can select other planet cards
and?
that pluto, venus, and uranus you ignored in a pack could help a speculative obby
that's literally what you want to do anyway
square runner bull castle wee are great
Well maybe not runner for obelisk runs specifically
that pluto, venus, and uranus i ignored became a death or a hermit in the next fool i found
My hot take is that I will take chariot or justice over a $6 temperance in most cases to play into steel and glass joker
I don't understand when people skip planet packs
wow so anecdotally you get good fools every time huh
Red card gaming, also fool on hermit/death
what a way to look at things
i want to reiterate that it is 90% of the time always worth playing towards obelisk when you can
yeah obviously they are. but i'm not gonna hold onto a chips joker that is +25% score because i have level N pairs over picking up another value generator or xmult
purely because of its scaling alone
saving for fool, red card
X2.4 mult per ante is fucking absurd
guys I'm trying to play can y'all be quiet thx
with a cap
doesnt matter if you win the gold stake
you don't need to go into endless
oh yeah
huge mistake
and judging obelisk on endless is useless because 95% of jokers are useless on endless
How old are you man
You won't reach the cap by ante 8
chip jokers are very scarce compared to +mult sources
Btw
had my first mobile crash
you don't always drop your chip jokers
I also dont like having to check my hands amounts every hand i play
+25% score?
is your square joker +36 chips
no you don't. but always playing towards obby entails never dropping your chips joker
This is just you being lazy
i don't see what's wrong with that
again, planets lol
+chips jokers are good
which is what you SHOULDNT be doing either way
obby doesn't make you do that yk,
And if you get to ante 7 and don't see obelisk you don't have to keep it when you see cavendish blackboard in shop
most runs are not square, or bull, or wee. most runs the chips joker that gets you into pairs is a blue or foil or sly
too late to scale obelisk at that point anyway
keeping a chips joker is good
I love me my icecream
doesnāt matter what most runs are
you can do consumable tech and still eat planets
Yellow deck gold stake done woo!
which is why you play a lot of pairs so you dont check
if you get an early chip scaler you should absolutely take it
Or just 14
they are not mutually exclusive
literally just 14 is more than enough
when did i say you shouldnt lmao
stuntman my beloved
and got to sticker gros and delayed gratification same run lol
here
I'm stickering people's last gold first
mm proactive scalers are immune to perishable tags though and naturally
I feel like your game knowledge is lacking if you can't figure out how to handle chips and obelisk
The humble stone joker
since you shouldnāt drop a chip joker regardless ALOT of times
like surely you've never taken a random pluto
My goat baseball card
rebate
im not gonna hold onto a blue joker over a MIR or a duo or a carto or hallu when i have 400 chips on pairs. obviously im gonna hold onto a 200 chip square or wee
i propose marble or stuntman is better, but thats just me
so that's not an obelisk run then
big whoop
if you have that high of a level for pairs then you arenāt taking obelisk
If you have level like 30 something pairs then yeah
that's literally what im saying jfc
ive skipped my fair share of brainstorms and blueprints
saying you should always play towards obby is saying you should hold onto your +50-100 chip joker that enabled you to start spamming pairs
he thinks obelisk is harder to play towards than people usually do
Iāve skipped 3 blueprints in the same run lmao
i agree with that sentiment
are you not scaling your square or something consistently? being able to ignore planets is good imo
for pair strats
bro can none of yall read
Horseshoe theory:
hating obelisk because you think itās bad š¤ hating obelisk because you know itās incredible but only shows up in ante 1 when you literally canāt afford it and ante 8 when you canāt take it
Square annoys me because Iām wired to scale planets
So obby is a skill check joker
Much more cost effective yeah
And it makes square irrelevant
Square scales higher per round than mercury
Well fuck you then
LMAOOOO

obelisk is just a really good joker for joker scoring which is pretty damn reliable
Blue moon ice cream coming in clutch to help secure the win
yes, and i literally said i think obby is a top 10 joker in the game
your daily reminder obelisk (x2.4 MPA) scales faster than yorick (~x1.3 MPA) and madness (x1 MPA) combined
Joker Idea: Mom Joker
Uncommon
Gains 0.2x mult if nothing is bought in the shop
It scales high but it also scales fast and that is something considerable
but you don't think people can play towards obelisk in other ways even though I do it constantly
Tbf i haven't seen obelisk in my last 50 hours or so playing
ah yes when nova is my only mult scaler for miles, that's obvious
Gotta rare skip
i'm just saying you can take incidental planets in pair runs
@warped wave
This might be the best xmult scaler to get in the ante 1 buffoon pack if it doesnāt āseeā the purchase of the buffoon pack
Itās nice but sometimes it gives me anxiety
I'm gonna do unspeakable things to perkeo once i get him i swear
It does
It does see
My perkeo doesn't even have a WHITE STAKE STICKER
Also madness scales faster and would be the same?
so you agree with my statement, but you disagree with a much different and much broader statement i never made
you argued in my face that there was a very narrow way to play obelisk
I think the term 'always' is flawed and i do acquiesce that
no i did not
a 13+ most played hand gives you a lot of room to avoid breaking the limit provided your second most played hand isnt too close
i said you shouldnt always play towards any rare joker
But on the other hand deliberately not playing towards obelisk sucks ass and given obelisk is so easy to play towards
just do it man
Yeah I always shoot for like 14 ish
12 sometimes if I feel ballsy
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I've had dozens of runs where i have to skip obelisk because it doesn't fit the run
obby licks rewards you for doing 4 of the 5 things you already do in gs
and yet just as many i find an obelisk and win because of it
But I always forget to play rare hands
sure you have runs where it doesn't let obby licks fit in
that applies for all jokers
literally yorick
yes, you shouldn't give up present value to play towards potentially finding a rare joker in the future
what's that seed scouring mod again
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The soul github
i'm not going crazy looking for perkeo
theoretical pv is wild especially when I already know fool tech and consumable blocking
thanks
bro presented me with theoretical fool in the next reroll
like it was a massive gotcha
If I have the headroom to be choosy I want at least 10 high cards left in the tank because blue stake -1 discard give me trust issues
I mean look at me
i have c++ and still play 16 pairs
That -1 discard looks like nothing, but when you reach Blue Stake, hoo boy...
turn my 3 in 9 planet chance into a 3 in 5 what a steal!
just for a comfortable safety net
what
consumable manipulation
fym what
no like what are you trying to say
what is consumable blocking?
the basics of holding consumables to increase the odds of getting the other consumables you want
oh that
A consumable cannot show up more than once in a shop
this is really handy
also teaches you to play for campfire š
you can take incidental planets and still play for fool
and increase the chance of finding temperance
Wrong lol
skipping bad planet packs to preserve fool
Yes there is showman bug
then again fool is like one part of all the decisions you make and not always a thing so why is it such a big deal
yes and?
showman buggy
And jimbo, pluto, strength in the edge cases where you have negative copies of everything
And the other thing lol
are you goinf to say the thing about if your holding every spectral card nly immolates will appear
same with tarots and srantgh
every single point i've made is about overly broad statements having exceptions
This applies to every consumable yes
strength
at most it just affects the order of how you use and open consumables
Showman on the way to put 3 Neptunes in my Celestial pack
so I present you with an alternative to scale obelisk 
lol
You donāt even have to be holding all of them to trigger this
im aware
For planets specifically
yes so I am wondering how this guy has been playing the whole time
so you're saying sometimes it's good to play towards obelisk
what do you lose from it?
Your mom is a negative copy
Itās usually good
and i'm saying it's not always good to play towards obelisk
no, donnie
Do I build towards runner or square joker here? Square is at +16, runner is +0
the 400+ attempt guy?
yeah me too
phew
Are you 14 why are you being so pedantic
o7 didnāt draw a flush
Square
The fact that both of the riff raff jokers have to do with straights feels like a sign, but so does getting a natural negative square
this logic applies to any joker, this tells me nothing
Joker Idea: Competitive Eater
Uncommon
Gain 20$ whenever a food joker destroys itself
Intentionally not picking up +1 parent because my dad is a stencil
This is why Checkered Deck is best Deck. (Also, just save scum.)
- wrng channel
- no jokers about food jokers
$20 is way too much. How about $10?
I guess you should reiterate then that the stuff you do for obelisk is just normal pair things
Maybe this is too ass
we need to steer him right and not have other ppl in here take influence
Works for me
i donāt think i can save scum on mobile
1)Whatās the right channel
2) fair but itās rly funny
you can
gotta play legit ess
yes, that's the entire origin of this conversation. someone said you should always play towards obelisk, i said there are reasons you should sometimes not play towards obelisk, and like 4 people jumped down my throat lmao
Wait are there other jokers which can destroy themselves?
yeah
Other than food jokers
my name is genderman collect my pronouns
Suggestions is for actual stuff not ideas
idk if my 4 out of 5 example makes enough sense for the general player but I tried my best
Like joker ideas
and joker ideas
are you not able to grasp the concept of context clues
now remove the second s in "save scum"
Like thunk isnāt gonna be reading my ideas and go thatās a good one
Okay it gave me runner again I think the game wants me to
Like yes i can acquiesce obelisk is not good in every run
playing towards obby licks is just playing gold stake normally
We can't even read, how would we look for them
i'm not a moron
you don't play towards the joker, the joker rewards you for playing normally with a few case by case exceptions
and again obelisk is not viable every run
Green Deck is genuinely so miserable
but obelisk will always be a viable strategy every rum
that you might not be able to cherry pick through a run
from ante 1 you should at least try to play towards obelisk whenever possible
because it offers so much
and you won't be able to in many runs
killing a boss blind with a pair ante 1
but that doesn't discount that fact in the slightest

yeah, when you can finish with a pair from scoring short from a blind, play it. it has good upside for what's present in the game
optimizing the fun out of the game is how it is
and i havent been replying to you in a while lol
and i find optimizing towards obelisk fun
but you know what i find MORE fun
optimizing towards my GOAT BASEBALL
Is there any list of good joker combinations online
no no
YEAAAHHHHHHHH
omg
i see
I hate Bloodstone

small optimizing for the future is fun actually
ok
when you get unstickered uncommons with bbc
makes me feel like an evil genius
holy
no need to yell
I LOVE BBC

that looks like it loses to vv though
i love my gf
british broadcaster
u could look through the images I've sent in here
I think we have a difference of opinion then
Alr
possibly? that was the first hand I believe
if it lost to vv I would have definitely replaced some jokers
u had leeway
I mean raised fist could definitely have gone here
250 x 4 is pretty close
250 times 5 is 1250 so uhh
luckily I read the blinds so it would've been different, albeit sadder cause no 4 stickers
reminds me of my 9 joker sticker run
but better than no sticker
yuh
the wh
I stickered canio and perkeo in the same run :)
not visual confirmation but I can tell you grimbo was my only gold sticker for this run before I got 9 more
Canio Perkeo is genuinely a dream synergy
Love it
on GHOST deck mind you
One guess as to what i was duping
Yuhhh

Gorgeous
I got x100 canio on not ghost deck
Was like blue deck or something
But perkeo def helped
Kings and Queens were destroyed on that day
What the
Ecto brainstorm real
Yea I will just wait to get out of trading vard
Card"
Nvm I have to sell it to get bs
red card tuff
didnāt read the boss oops
after it broke on my too many times..... vindiCATIONNNNNNNNNNN
The fact that two chads and 2 photos is better than 1 Chad and 3 photos doesnāt make sense to me
āBalancing scoringā sure
3x3=9
5x2=10
Interesting
5 x 2 > 3 x 3
Lmao
:p
That makes sense but also doesnāt make sense
Everyone says to balance it
But sometimes thatās wrong
Itās odd
Thats how math works
its always the mouth š„
the mouth is almost as bad as the arm
It depends if u read the boss before or after ur first hand
always flush it
i always remember to flush
In retrospect, this was a bad combination
welcome perkeo
sell bloodstone
i sold blueprint for baseball card and i have had about 4 immolates
why'd you sell blueprint,,,,,,
it was only copying bloodstone and it wasnāt hitting with space man
i ran out of cardsš„
<@&1133519078540185692> Crush his skull thank you
alr

Lol
I always miss the the naughty chatters
Fuck i threw my first ever perkeo gold stake run



