🕹・game-discussion

[vocal warren]

real

[cloud sinew]

i beg your pardon

[nocturne frost]

I know I know picking up certificate deletes blue seals from the game

[vocal rose]

i WILL do third c++ on black deck only

[shell dagger]

Don’t

[vocal rose]

too late

[royal bobcat]

You must hate yourself

[nocturne frost]

I am doing it so you don't have to

[twin lantern]

why are you doing that though

[shell dagger]

I think i have 12/150 black deck c++

Upper bound

[twin lantern]

taking most of the enjoyment out of the game

[cloud sinew]

if theyre having fun then not really

[twin lantern]

maybe then yeah

[nocturne frost]

Nah that would be c++ on nebula

Black deck is genuinely fun

[vocal rose]

I’m doing it BECAUSE it would bring me enjoyment

[twin lantern]

i played nebula for a long time it doesn't suck

[vocal rose]

yk bc enjoyment is subjective

[vocal rose]

sometimes

[twin lantern]

then I'd be happy if you played black deck :)

[nocturne frost]

It doesn't suck in difficulty, it sucks in gameplay

[twin lantern]

doesn't

[shell dagger]

Subjective

[twin lantern]

i loved it, others hate it

[shell dagger]

If you like spamming one hand and using fewer consumables then go off

[twin lantern]

it's fine

it was the first purple stake i got so

[twin lantern]

aka pair spam

[plush osprey]

purble stake

[twin lantern]

aka what you usually do

[twin lantern]

purple 😭

[plush osprey]

i don’t like the lower consumable slots

i feel like y they should change that

[dark cairn]

"jokerless isn't rng" the game spawning only bosses that hard counters what i'm trying to do every single time;

what exactly are you supposed to do if it spawns the arm after youre trying to level up your hand

or if it spawns the wall before you have that chance

and dont say "just enhance some cards" because you know damn well the game wont spawn them when you need them

im pretty sure russian roulette is more skill dependent than this

[silent veldt]

got a good run today

[earnest bison]

Dusk:

[pale wolf]

have you watched any content about jokerless from balatro uni

[atomic forum]

pmo

[pale wolf]

if you have red seals...

[dark cairn]

i watched his gold stake jokerless run like 2 months ago

thats part of why im so pissed off actually

like how is he able to do it on gold stake without the benefit of no jokers appearing in the shop

[pale wolf]

watch the vid i posted earlier of him 3 streaking

[dark cairn]

but i cant do it normally

[atomic forum]

sadly its not the case

this run would go so much harder if it wasnt on a challenge

[silent veldt]

oh no

[cold forge]

I just had a horrible idea for a balatro mod

[viral raft]

xchips

[cold forge]

Balatro but the boss blind effects never go away

[marble hound]

Lol

[uncut slate]

this goes hard

but it would be so horrible to get stuck on water needle for the rest of the run

[marble hound]

Now do they like
Collect up as you go

What's your definition of never going away

Cause there's a lot of ways that turns into something impossible

[cold forge]

Well that's awfully convenient

[uncut slate]

luchador disables one random boss blind effect

[torn drift]

This game Is impossible!!!!!!

I cant win Red stake

[silent veldt]

dont give up champ!!

you can do it

[torn drift]

Whats the easiest deck

[silent veldt]

to win red stake?

[torn drift]

Ye

[silent veldt]

well what deck do you have unlocked?

decks*

[cold forge]

oh bruh

[torn drift]

Red blu Ghost black Yellow checkered old deck

[native rivet]

I like yellow or ghost

[torn drift]

What

[silent veldt]

go with ghost

[torn drift]

Bruh

[native rivet]

or checkered

[torn drift]

Ok

[torn drift]

Ok

Why people like plasma deck i havent unlocked jt

When i unlock it

[cold forge]

Plasma beats itself, ghost is incredibly strong, yellow is underrated

[torn drift]

Ok

[cold forge]

adds mult and chips and splits them equally

For example, 16 x 2 turns into 9 x 9

[silent veldt]

this helps a lot of strats by just scoring more

[dark cairn]

i get like 15 saturn cards
enhance all the cards im playing
and still dont score enough

[plush osprey]

glass

[dark cairn]

is this challenge even possible or am i being collectively gaslit

[uncut slate]

if you have mostly chips or mostly mult it effectively squares your score, but the score requirements are only doubled so you out scale pretty easily if you're silly

[plush osprey]

yeah

[dark cairn]

the 0 justice cards that appeared in question

[uncut slate]

jokerless only took me two tries

[plush osprey]

someone isn’t tarot blocking 😳

[dark cairn]

its almost like you dont have money to reroll for tarot cards when you dont have economy jokers 👻

[plush osprey]

all you need to win jokerless is a blue seal

[plush sierra]

nat negative juggler, might have a chance at naneinf

[dark cairn]

and then you never draw it

[plush osprey]

skill issue

hung man and death

[dark cairn]

is that what the doctor said to your mom after you were born

[dark cairn]

the 0 death and hanged men cards in question:

[plush osprey]

no why would he say that

[uncut slate]

yeah you get so many tarots that the deckfixing is kinda trivial

[plush osprey]

well not trivial, but very manageable

[dark cairn]

if you get dream luck maybe

[plush osprey]

i think you have a poor attitude

[pale wolf]

loses on Jokerless, gets mad
complains about it
replies to any advice with but rng

[river slate]

welp baron run online before ante 8

[dark cairn]

except thats literally whats been happening

[pale wolf]

people are able to beat this consistently, its not luck based

[dark cairn]

ive been trying to do everything youve said for the past hour

[cloud sinew]

you have 3 discards at base and hanged man appears 3.5x as often in shops relative to non-jokerless

[dark cairn]

and the game literally will not allow it

[uncut slate]

i mean you've definitely just been playing it poorly

[plush osprey]

the game would allow it if you played better

[cloud sinew]

jokerless is hard but youre not a perfect player, you are making mistakes in your runs.

[plush osprey]

you’re getting tilted, take a break

[dark cairn]

stop gaslighting me

[uncut slate]

you gotta block for the tarots you want

[pale wolf]

if you arent seeing the right options its likely not blocking enough or not enough income from overspending past interest cap

[uncut slate]

you're gaslighting yourself

[cyan ocean]

aw man not my other jokers..
oh wait

[dark cairn]

finally something that can help me

i was spending past interest cap because i was worried about scoring

[pale wolf]

if you can safely beat the next round there usually isnt a reason to spend unless you know what you're getting

[atomic forum]

5PUDCQ5U i sure wonder if the seed works as well outside of the challenge

[plush osprey]

bro was complaining about econ when he wasn’t even saving for interest

[cloud sinew]

for winning it once you should just reroll for investment on the first small blind i think

[fallow lark]

surely jokerless is easier than black deck gold stake?

[shell dagger]

Roll seeds for mega buffoon or top up tag ante 2 me thinks

[pale wolf]

im watching docs high score jokerless run and it started with an 18 hour grind for a red seal poly (6)

[shell dagger]

Yeah

[pale wolf]

hilarious

[plush osprey]

yeah

[pale wolf]

im not so sure about that

[plush osprey]

i am very sure about it

[pale wolf]

ive beaten black gold plenty of times (4)

[plush osprey]

lol

[cyan ocean]

on ante 2 😭

[fallow lark]

although lately I'm struggling on green deck equally as much as black deck

[cyan ocean]

im actually done for

[uncut slate]

oh fr, black deck gold stake took me a whole session for one win vs jokerless second try without even having a specific strategy

[cloud sinew]

it is, but thats not saying much

[dark cairn]

at this point im just gonna restart until theres an ante 1 investment tag

i dont care anymore

[pale wolf]

why cant i beat jokerless

does the game hate me

[fallow lark]

because your astrological sign is blueprint

[cloud sinew]

no :(

[pale wolf]

lilo is hiding vital information from me regarding how to win

[robust thorn]

chat do i invis? deck still needs trading card but idk if i can score w/o arrowhead and chad

[exotic silo]

yellow deck, immediately sacked the econ for a gift card+sock+seeing double start

a single temperance saved the whole econ in ante 2

planet merchant came in clutch just when I was thinking of a way to scale Constellation fast

quite a good one

[uncut slate]

invis will hit arrowhead

unlucky

[zinc karma]

DAMN 8 BALL? WITH A PAIR?

[robust thorn]

how do u know? not doubting j curious

[uncut slate]

8 ball my goat

[exotic silo]

Chad is there to help it immensely but damn yeah that's hot

[uncut slate]

the voices

[zinc karma]

Still 3 out of 4 triggers

[uncut slate]

basically i don't bet on the invis hitting something i care about when the humble showman exists

[exotic silo]

the game refusing to show a single rare as I purchase the showman

[uncut slate]

he's just a little guy

[exotic silo]

he can clone himself too!

[uncut slate]

he's like 8 ball in that respect

[zinc karma]

Hell nah

With a pair again 😭

[cloud sinew]

showman ruining your packs and shops and taking up a joker slot just for the prospect of getting a duplicate of a joker, which will be perishable or rental 51% of the time

[uncut slate]

greatest joker ever?

[plush sierra]

is selling a brainstorm for dna worth it?

[uncut slate]

ok i am not taking showman on a gold stake run lol

[exotic silo]

the context was plasma white stake endless but yeah showman sucks anywhere else really

[zinc karma]

Hows your deck?

[pale wolf]

1 in 7 chance vs 1 in ~650

[cloud sinew]

hi whats up do u need advice

[pale wolf]

yea if the doesnt game hate what other explanation could fit

i play the straights and lose and then i watch doc play flushes and win

[river slate]

ty show man

[uncut slate]

if you have real endless money you can just keep rerolling with the showman though

[cloud sinew]

that you don't know how to beat it, +/ you arent applying your knowledge well enough

[uncut slate]

vs invis you have to burn two rounds on

[plush sierra]

ykw i’ll just use the calculator

[uncut slate]

anyway i just don't play endless so i rarely use invis or showman anyway

[pale wolf]

nah that cant be it

[cloud sinew]

why

[pale wolf]

i think the game is sentient

[zinc karma]

I wouldnt do it tbh

[pale wolf]

😎

[plush sierra]

i’m gonna check with the calculator

[pale wolf]

ok i will do a blue gold run for the streak and then try jokerless

if i lose

thank you for your everlasting support

[lost vault]

meow meow balatro meow

[pale wolf]

what an annoying 3oak to draw

[zinc karma]

Should i do photochad in abandoned?

[pale wolf]

its possible for sure

[exotic silo]

do Triboulet + Idol in abandoned

😈

[pale wolf]

big, beautiful burglars

[cloud sinew]

i think... i think i might take both and then take the buffoon

[pale wolf]

why before the buffoon

[cloud sinew]

idk the order of that doesnt matter much at all

[pale wolf]

i guess it doesnt matter regardless yea

[cloud sinew]

but the astro is because it pays itself off if you get like... kinda anything for it next shop

you can get some shitty planets which would suck but

[pale wolf]

but if it doesnt hit then im severely in debt and die

i think not on the astroboner

[serene forge]

I hate Wily Joker

[pale wolf]

i could swing an astroboner with sly maybe

loyalty and burg is an idea too

bursting with variety

[cloud sinew]

you will not be severely in debt though, youll have hands money and $4 from the blind

[pale wolf]

i go the path less rental fee'd

[cloud sinew]

you win in 2-3 hands, so you get ~$9 from the blind. you lose $6 pre interest so i think its fine considering astro pays itself off next shop most likely

[dark cairn]

i try saving for interest and i die to scoring
so if i dont care aobut interest and try building toward score i die later because i dont have money for card enhancements
if i save for interest i die becuase i dont have planet levels
im not even mad anymore im just genuinely confused

[pale wolf]

i wanna kill burglar 🤏

[dark cairn]

i just cant make it past ante 4 on this challenge no matter what

[cloud sinew]

i would drop burglar here tbf

but i have no idea if thats right

[pale wolf]

i think i am

and if i had a third joker to sell i would sell astro too

lilo is sabotaging me because im the only server member capable of surpassing her

she knew there was no planet packs showing up this seed

yea fuck that rental astronomer fr

ok run saved, no more scary situations to spam chat

[mighty topaz]

YO

It was canio.

[violet bear]

Nice

[dark cairn]

wow i finally got a blue seal in a jokerless run then immediately died because no planet cards or enhancement tarot cards, wonderful

[pale wolf]

dope

[bleak pelican]

Do we pivot to photochad

[pale wolf]

@cloud sinew does a round 5 +8 rtb with stencil win 😄

(not doing it)

[clever walrus]

should I buy DNA?

[dark cairn]

is 3oak good for jokerless

[zinc karma]

Thank 8 ball for ur services, but ur time has come

[native rivet]

what ante and what does ur deck look like

[clever walrus]

im on ante 9 rn and HC level 3

[pale wolf]

thanks judgement

[native rivet]

ya take it

[pale wolf]

[native rivet]

need more kings

[clever walrus]

what should I sell?

[native rivet]

prolly smily

[clever walrus]

ok thx

[native rivet]

if ur playin hi card

[stiff fjord]

just beat black deck purple stake with a photochad build

[pale wolf]

idk about square this late but i do need chips and to play my hands

[dark cairn]

why the fuck can hex and ankh still appear in jokerless

[tiny nexus]

Funny af start

[zinc karma]

Just a little lucky cards

My only econ the whole game

[random ice]

So many jokers

[pale wolf]

someone likes mult $ scaling

[random ice]

I bought the dagger because I had a chunky egg

It compensates for the swash

As it's twice as much scaling

[pale wolf]

i want a joker that scales off other jokers scaling

[lament crater]

hi chat

[viral raft]

opinions of this planet stats? (new file )

[lament crater]

i love this game

[finite palm]

GO BIG OR GO HOME

ALWAYS GAMBLE ON LAST HAND LUCKY CARD!!!

[opal nimbus]

ts so tuff

[viral raft]

looks inside

[wicked wraith]

what do i sell

[opal nimbus]

brainstorm or blueprint

[wicked wraith]

ok i sold a brainstorm it was so worth it

[opal nimbus]

also in this situation i think its more optimal for brainstorm and blueprint to copy bloodstone

[viral raft]

maybe blueprint? so it still have chances to appear in the shop

[pale wolf]

4aaA :!!!!!!!!!!¡??:! ; n n ssesssssehh

[viral raft]

4aaA

[wicked wraith]

i'm aware, just lucky card farming :)

[opal nimbus]

lol

smart

[solid garden]

ghost deck gold stake, 4/15! last shop antimatter allowed me to take banner for the sticker, alongside with licence, nat neg zany, chaos and supernova!

[wicked wraith]

shoutout to the worst spectral pack i have ever come across

[vocal quartz]

guys. i’ll admit it. i think flush builds and high card builds are fun.

[shy abyss]

ghost deck ectos are so good for c++ chase

[finite palm]

Ok that was fun

[solid garden]

yeah, I think I'm gonna stick to this deck when going for c++ fully, I'm just going for c+ for now

[shy abyss]

but i wouldnt worry that much about stickers if ur going for C+. at least sticker something worse than banner if you are 😛

[finite palm]

"Here, rebuild your entire strat" ass spectral pack

LMAOO9

LUCKY CARDS LOVE ME

[wicked wraith]

indubitably

[solid garden]

I don't think I would've foung something worse in thr shop, gotta admit

[wicked wraith]

MY KING

[solid garden]

generational

[finite palm]

NOW it's gg

Please?

FINALLY

[warped wave]

Question. I've done 261 runs of black deck gold stake, but I have only been going for flushes. Is there a more efficient hand to go for, and if so, what are the best cards packs and jokers to take?

[finite palm]

I got so many non dice lucky card hits

It's insane

I looooóoooove gambling

[tardy spade]

What if consumables could spawn with editions, then when you hold the consumable in your slots it triggers the edition when observatory would normally trigger?

So a polychrome consumable gives x1.5
And a foil one gives +50 chips

[wicked wraith]

ohhh i'm winning

[shell dagger]

Pair/2pair

[fading dome]

That second part is already built into the game haha

[naive jolt]

Guys i think i'm cooking

[shell dagger]

The best cards and jokers to take are the ones that you get offered

To list them explicitly would be fruitless

[wicked wraith]

my goat holographic getting neglected like the middle child of the editions he is 😔 i get what you mean though that's a pretty cool concept

[tardy spade]

Ok but there's no way to edition them yet

[fading dome]

true

[shy abyss]

pair on black deck can be a little sketchy depending on the technology you get

[tardy spade]

Holographic would be probably the worst in this case

[shell dagger]

Everything black deck is sketchy tbh but pair is still up there

[shy abyss]

i dont play full rotations so not much black deck but i feel like in a lot of runs it's worth it to just gamble that you can draw two pair whenver you need to

[cyan ocean]

YES
chicot

[wicked wraith]

wait yeah because jokers trigger from left to right and consumables are on the right. a voucher idea could be to make consumable editions trigger first, but that's a pretty weak voucher compared to other ones

[zinc karma]

In abandoned i wanna play 3/4/5oak right?

[fading dome]

I mean straights aren't bad either on abandoned

[naive jolt]

What do i do guys, gone is the parking ?

[barren nebula]

i am super confused on order her if someone could gimme a shout

[naive jolt]

If you want score, you want 1 on face and one in sock
If you have lucky cards, all on sock

[naive jolt]

Foiled trib

I'm sorry trib, this isn't your run, you gotta go

[vestal fern]

hologram before all your +mult?

[barren nebula]

I just got a DNA, do you think if i manage to enhance a king to get 5 of a kind what enhancement is techically best here, lucky?

[naive jolt]

You want five flush not 5oak

Also lucky yeah

[shy abyss]

it's easier to for sure but you don't have to. pairs are still great on abandoned

[pale wolf]

abandoned still a pair deck, maybe straights

[shy abyss]

and you basically never want to play 5oak

unless you have to unlock it to stay alive early on it's almost never worth it to even unlock 5oak. it hardly scales better than 4oak, makes it harder to get blue seal/gold/steel value, dilutes planet pool

[dark cairn]

holy shit finally https://medal.tv/games/balatro/clips/llg7Qo5s1epOrDkU0?invite=cr-MSxNTVIsMzg1MjQ0MTcy&v=60

i am not trying golden needle

[wintry ice]

2 antes of matador

[pale wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1387860177939726448/1429909420120473621/Screenshot_20251007-075433.jpg?ex=68f7da6c&is=68f688ec&hm=359ceb034c5304af0cc57936ddc60b12bc63037785d39577a3302f31844405f1&

[wintry ice]

kami should see this

[pale wolf]

taking it i assume

so fun

[shell seal]

Its just 1.5X at the momento tho

[pale wolf]

yea its scaling xmult

[shy abyss]

im 5 away from C++ and ive had exactly one run ever when matador did anything. and tbf it saved that run

[void topaz]

guys i just got the best straight flush build

[dark cairn]

this would be a good way to make madness potentially viable

[pale wolf]

madness is already quite viable

[void topaz]

its not actually a high score this is a new profile

[wintry ice]

it sets up early econ like nothing else

speaking of setting up econ like nothing else

[dark cairn]

i thought madness was one of the worst jokers in the game

[void topaz]

white stake looking

[shy abyss]

iirc it was like ante 3 or 4 and i was in rental hell

[shell seal]

Its not in higher stakes

[pale wolf]

it scales 1x per ante, quite good

[shy abyss]

even without eternals madness can be pretty good, you can usually nurse enough +mult through an ante

[dark cairn]

yea but say goodbye to any jokers you need that arent eternal

[pale wolf]

just limits you a lot on joker selection so usually best if you already have a good one

[wintry ice]

that's worth it

[void topaz]

just find eternal jokers

pshh

pshaw

[wintry ice]

with the amount of xmult it gives you

[void topaz]

tbf 1/3 of jokers are eternal or something like that

[wintry ice]

even a half joker is enough for it

[pale wolf]

madness scales as fast as two good xmult jokers would

[void topaz]

thats

wrong i think

[wintry ice]

you just have to massively decrease your standards for what you want to take

[dark cairn]

i've never seen anyone use it without eternals

[pale wolf]

it works out

[void topaz]

oh it might depend on the time

[pale wolf]

you dont

[wintry ice]

most good xmult jokers scale by .25x per round on average

[shy abyss]

what

[wintry ice]

that's because people don't use it incorrectly

[void topaz]

have we considered being rich

[shy abyss]

all xmult is good

[wintry ice]

throwback and bloodstone:

[dark cairn]

people were saying it was viable without eternals though

[shy abyss]

duo + seeing double is good xmult in my book

[wintry ice]

it can be with larger hands

[void topaz]

yes

cold ass take

frigid even

[pale wolf]

i always assume the default discussion is gold stake and nobody mentioned low stakes

[wintry ice]

yeah because it gives you a 2x for an easy condition

[pale wolf]

duo + seeing double is actully 4x owned pwned and strewn

[dark cairn]

anyway now that ive finished jokerless after like 3 hours of attempts

i think im gonna work toward my 3rd gold stake win next

[shy abyss]

i was specifically addressing the "good xmult is 0.25x per round"

[void topaz]

you did joker less before 3 gold stakes

what

wait i havent even done jokerless lmao

[pale wolf]

i mean static xmult obv doesnt scale at all

[dark cairn]

cause i underestimated it

[void topaz]

blackboard my beloved

[void topaz]

lol

but yeah ive gold staked all the decks and have not touched challenges

i did omelette and decided i didnt like it

[wintry ice]

as in scaling +.25x per round

just giving you 2x instantly is good too

[dark cairn]

some of the challenges are pretty fun actually

i liked the ceremonial dagger one a lot

[void topaz]

i tried that one and got sad lol

[pale wolf]

legendary joker that starts at 10X and descales .1X per card played

[void topaz]

dead immiedetly

ong

[dark cairn]

get a riff raff and you have a free win

[wintry ice]

do i take acrobat

[void topaz]

step one find riff raff

[plush osprey]

yes

[wintry ice]

i feel like i should because of baseball

[pale wolf]

over golden probly

[void topaz]

yes??

what

its synergy and xmult huh

[wintry ice]

i don't like it much with scaling mult builds

[pale wolf]

square + acrobat slays

[wintry ice]

hm

[void topaz]

no

[wintry ice]

fair

[void topaz]

its not gonna get a single proc before perishing fr

[shy abyss]

yes

[pale wolf]

hmmmmm I wouldn't
probly get more levels off rebate

[shy abyss]

but consider: it's funnier

[shy abyss]

🐴

[pale wolf]

what uncommon could replace rebate rn besides xmult

[wintry ice]

rebate is better overall because it helps flash card

[void topaz]

trading card???

i think

[wintry ice]

maybe

[shy abyss]

this is a free W anyways do the funny

[naive jolt]

Nooooo
I'm not getting the ecto and antimatter i need

[void topaz]

you would think

[pale wolf]

not so free yet

heart and vv are both threats i think

[heady spoke]

My luck is insane

[pale wolf]

woah

[wintry ice]

i feel like i don't even take blank anymore

[heady spoke]

Idk how I pulled this off lol

[wintry ice]

ig i build 8s now

[pale wolf]

can you

[wintry ice]

i have 3/4

[pale wolf]

6

[wintry ice]

so it's probably just going to be temperance value

awesome

it deleted both 8s

guess 8 ball is just for temperance

[pale wolf]

this is why chad should be an uncommon /s

[dark cairn]

after completing 19/20 challenges here are my thoughts on them

[wintry ice]

12$, 6$ per round or hanged man

[pale wolf]

golden needle i think is about as hard as jokerless i think

[dark cairn]

each discard costing 1 dollar with only 1 hand sounds like complete and utter hell

[wintry ice]

monolith is easier medusa

[dark cairn]

well i guess i could just take a golden joker

[dark cairn]

yeah but im stupid so using obelisk effectively broke my brain

they both only took 1 try so

id say half of the challenges i did first try

[crude parcel]

My Cavendish just went extinct with no dice

[dark cairn]

but i didnt want to rank them all in one tier so

[tardy spade]

What if negative tag applied negative to the next base edition joker card bought?

[crude parcel]

On violent vessel too

[dark cairn]

i just went with whichever made me think more

[dark cairn]

[crude parcel]

No sticker for me 😭

[wintry ice]

how did rebate manage to select my only 8

[pale wolf]

I think this would make them a take maybe too much of the time

[tardy spade]

What about next base edition joker obtained, so you'd have to be careful with judgements

[random ice]

Lmao

[pale wolf]

I just want the Joker tags to disallow stickers

no way

[wintry ice]

could i replace rebate with this

[pale wolf]

probably the biggest blue seal of all time, just guessing before I watch the video

[random ice]

It's a 1.5X

[lost vault]

red seal poly

i suppose

[tranquil steppe]

I would wait

[wintry ice]

i guess i could take trading card instead

[pale wolf]

just blue seals

[lost vault]

insane

why are blue seals so op

[wintry ice]

actually this is pretty high

[pale wolf]

they give you two or three guaranteed copies of the planet you want, as compared to the normal method of 25% of planet packs giving the desired planet

[plush osprey]

i think they’re fine

[wintry ice]

they're definitely overtuned

[plush osprey]

nah

[pale wolf]

I think they should be unable to make duplicate planets without showman

cuts their output in half for most situations and they would still probably be the best mechanic in the game

[plush osprey]

how would you word this change in game

[grand imp]

will the game get mouse controls for the switch 2 joycons

[pale wolf]

you wouldn't have to, just have it shown through the game not giving you two planets when you have two blue seals

[plush osprey]

having two blue seals in hand every round is not the usual

[pale wolf]

if you're playing the game well it is

[plush osprey]

that’s inconsistent

[wintry ice]

if you have 2 or 3 of them it's pretty common to have them in hand

[pale wolf]

if anything I think it's inconsistent that blue seals can create duplicates already

[plush osprey]

then fool wouldn’t work if you have the tarot in hand

[naive jolt]

Run is dead anyway, even a legendary can't save me, i can only score e22
Didn't get the ecto nor boss reroll nor antimatter

[plush osprey]

not at all, you can’t even get 1 blue seals some runs

[deft anvil]

Chat give me a deck to gold stake

[plush osprey]

painted

[deft anvil]

K

[naive jolt]

It's my boy yorick which is foiled

[pale wolf]

well obviously runs that you're not having blue seals will not have blue seals, but if you have them then it's more often than not you will death and have several

if i have a blue seal before ante 4 its very likely ante 6 i will get 2 blue seal planets per round

[wintry ice]

is cloud 9 or retriggering a ton of gold and steel better

okay mime is better

[pale wolf]

I think the stacked scoring and economy is better, so mime

[naive jolt]

Yay new hi

[wintry ice]

should i have sold acrobat instead

probably not right

[heady spoke]

I got this far here is the seed

[pale wolf]

uuuuh I mean you have money

[wintry ice]

the game is giving me a ton of deaths for my purple seal

[pale wolf]

and I'm not sure what else you could really find with the money

[wintry ice]

and the blue seal too

[pale wolf]

besides just rolling flashcard

[wintry ice]

mult for flash card but like

72 is enough

fool for another death card

bruh

[pale wolf]

sometimes it feels like seeds have like five specific cards they will show you more often than others

sometimes I get the desired planet from every single celestial pack throughout an entire run

[zinc karma]

Every seed is beatable if u play correctly with what the game want u to play

I guess

🤔

[pale wolf]

every seed is beatable yes

on gold stake

[vestal fern]

are cards equally probable to be drawn?

[pale wolf]

uuuh yes

proportional to their rate of incidence

[zealous trellis]

how does one make a hand to run straights

[tawdry burrow]

Ethereal free rare pull

[zinc karma]

What?

[zealous trellis]

just a random thought but say your jokers were made for straights, how do you fix your deck to play those

[zinc karma]

U pray

[zealous trellis]

ah

[zinc karma]

I dont thik theres a straight deck fix for straights

[wintry ice]

awesome

[zinc karma]

U just pray with ur discards and hands

[wintry ice]

shame i didn't get to turn my blue seal gold though

[zinc karma]

Huge bbc

[zealous trellis]

that must make those gold stamps painful

[zinc karma]

Not really

[wintry ice]

hang aces, 2s and kings

[zinc karma]

Straights are strong af

[wintry ice]

since those make the least straights

[zinc karma]

And u lose half of the straights

[wintry ice]

half?

[zinc karma]

Low numbers make sense tho

[wintry ice]

fym half?

[zinc karma]

Im being dramatic

[zealous trellis]

uhhh... would you elaborate

i have alot of hours but my interaction with the community and its lingo is limited

[wintry ice]

you want to focus on the middle cards

[zinc karma]

Why?

[zealous trellis]

oh so like you want between 8s and 3s mostly?

[unreal island]

Eternal chip jokers of despair

[wintry ice]

because the edge cards make less straights

[zealous trellis]

yeah i thought since aces could make straights with the face cards you could wrap them around too and have a queen, king, ace, 2, and 3

[zinc karma]

But aces do 2 straights

[zealous trellis]

yeah but a 6 can do 5 straights

[wintry ice]

which is less than every card below king and above 2

[zinc karma]

Ahhhh now it makes sense 🧠

[wintry ice]

and besides the straights that aces make are completely separate

anyways this run looks good

[north schooner]

This is ridiculous. You cut off the ends of your deck. Start with aces and 2s and move inward. It works best if you move towards the middle, but if you really want to play face cards, eliminate 2-6 first. Opposite if you're playing bus.

[zealous trellis]

im gonna be real i dont understand how to use red card

[wintry ice]

is there merit to replacing red card with erosion

[zealous trellis]

or get why you would take that first eternal

[zinc karma]

Skip packs

[fading cobalt]

What are some good things to do for baron set up when you get ante 1 baron?

[zealous trellis]

well yeah but i mean why would you

[wintry ice]

you take +3 mult if the contents of the pack are undesirable

[wintry ice]

sell baron

[zinc karma]

+3 mult and not all packs are good

[wintry ice]

because scaling mult is better than most booster pack results

[fading cobalt]

Breh

[zinc karma]

And u would prefer 3 mult instead of anything

[zealous trellis]

true but playing a single 2 with wee jokers gives mathematically more then double the value, +3 mult isnt worth much at all

[wintry ice]

already?

[zealous trellis]

i mean unless youre using it to give xmult a base top push off or have tons of chips

[wintry ice]

?

[zinc karma]

Ill lose next round

[wintry ice]

how is wee and red card comparable

one is a rare chip joker and the other is a common +mult joker

[north schooner]

And yeah, taper it so that if, for example you're doing royal straights, you have maybe 3 Aces and tens, 4 kings and jacks, and 5 queens

[zealous trellis]

with multiplication being reversivle any chips can mathematically be the same as the same anmount of mult. this is ofc not counting x mult but

[cold finch]

Died cus bloodstone just said:

1/2? nah nah nah

0/8

[wintry ice]

mult increases chips

[zealous trellis]

oh bloodstone never change

[wintry ice]

" really strong rare joker is better than a common" is the most meaningless statement you can make

[north schooner]

Usually a range from A to 8 is plenty narrow, if you taper then ends, to draw 2-3 straights per hand. But you shouldn't need more than one with planet scaling and appropriate jokers

[zealous trellis]

i know but what im saying is that since 3x4 and 4x3 is the same, it would be reasonable to add the bigger number to one side

[zealous trellis]

right i forget wee is a rare, sorry

but is red good? or is it just a "whatever" kinda pick

[wintry ice]

the presence of a stronger joker doesn't make the other one obsolete

[median crystal]

need help with a build

[zealous trellis]

fair enough

[wintry ice]

it's considered the strongest scaling +mult joker in the game

[zealous trellis]

camfite

[median crystal]

currently building two pair

got pareidolia

which would be pretty good

but like what do i sell

im guessing clubs

bc i dont have too many club cards

[north schooner]

Red card is one of the fastest scaling mult jokers. Once you can afford buying a pack without losing money round over round, you always look in the pack, and if it has something worth more than 3 mult, you take that. Otherwise you skip.

[zealous trellis]

wait really? even better then ride the bus and green?

[north schooner]

Roughly equal, maybe

[zealous trellis]

ooooh right, i tend to struggle with exon since i only recently learned how good they are

[zinc karma]

The plant sent u a kiss

[median crystal]

right but when i get the plant i can sell pareidolia

[wintry ice]

yea

[median crystal]

so do i get it or nah

[uneven viper]

I use to pray for times like this 😤

[wintry ice]

i don't think retriggering glutton slightly more matters that much

[north schooner]

You can get +5 per round on green or bus, and +6 on red card, but only if you can afford it. +3 is usually enough to keep you alive early antes (whereas +2 from flash card is not)

[wintry ice]

though you could just

replace glutton for xmult

if your planets are good

[median crystal]

thing is pareidolia would give a 1.5x mult bc of the baseball card

[zealous trellis]

what mod is this that shows the stats under? ive never used any mods do idk

[median crystal]

jokerdisplay

[median crystal]

so what do i do

[wintry ice]

yeah which is why replacing glutton could be a good idea if your levels are good

[median crystal]

2 pair lvl 6 lmao

i did it

[zealous trellis]

thanks

[north schooner]

Foils maybe worth it. You can swap it out with a better uncommon when you have a few more Uranus

[median crystal]

28k dem

[wintry ice]

would replacing golden be worth it

i could use chips because the game is not giving a single mercury

[median crystal]

wait

if i have baseball card twice

[zealous trellis]

green joker doesnt seem very good early gamep

[alpine talon]

Loyalty card hate is vastly exxagerated

[median crystal]

do i get the 1.5x mult twice aswell

[wintry ice]

i guess i could take todd instead

[zealous trellis]

odd todd my goat

[north schooner]

There's more chance of bloodstone hitting 0/8 than of a natural negative appearing. It's gonna happen sometimes.

[wintry ice]

it's enough to beat the ante 1 big blind with just pairs

[median crystal]

if i sell my showman and get baseball card, do i get 1.5x mult twice since its 2 cards?

[wintry ice]

yea

[alpine talon]

That's actually interesting

[median crystal]

DEM

but theyre not counted brooo

[wintry ice]

first useful showman in ante 8

[median crystal]

so now instead of 1.5x 1.5 2.25 2.25 i got 2.25 2.25 and 3.38

[north schooner]

A little hard to compare because it's the chance for any given joker in the shop/pack to be negative, and you see a lot of jokers over a run. But you also probably play a lot of heart flushes if you have bloodstone.

[north schooner]

And a 1/8 or 2/8 might kill you just as much and those are much more common

[median crystal]

wait

[wintry ice]

is castle useful at this point

i guess i don't need to consider it anymore?

[alpine talon]

1/8 is actually 8 times more common than 0/8

[median crystal]

if i combine pareidolia with shoot the moon aka giving me +13 mult per queen in hand

[alpine talon]

Happened to be just now

[median crystal]

would it give me +13 for each card in hand

[wintry ice]

no

[zealous trellis]

NOOOO i just had a killer two pair run going and my cat stood on the r key

[north schooner]

Are face cards queens?

[median crystal]

FUCK

[fervent wolf]

Deck fixing at its finest

[wintry ice]

stm cares about specifically queens

same goes for htr and baron and it's cards

[alpine talon]

Take out that diamond ace or I will find you

[fervent wolf]

Already lost the run

[alpine talon]

HOW

[zealous trellis]

ive always wondered how good an ace deck would be, what were your jokers

[alpine talon]

IT HAS BEEN

3 SECONDS

[alpine talon]

Rip

[zealous trellis]

arrowhead my beloved

why do i love chip jokers so much

idk maybe its cause good chips really bolsters your hand ig

[north schooner]

Are you playing plasma deck?

[alpine talon]

It's because they're rare and unique

[pale wolf]

chips are rare so you're more likely to have stronger opinions on each of them, maybe

[fervent wolf]

Nope

[wintry ice]

hey zebra what do i do

[north schooner]

I meant @zealous trellis

[alpine talon]

Your name is too long. Have you tried combining first and last 3 letters of it to make it shorter?

[fervent wolf]

My name is only too long if it doesn't fit

[alpine talon]

Wrong answer

[pale wolf]

if odd todd is contributing less than an effective 3X to chips then I think replacing it with BB makes sense

red card i think needs to stay probably

[wintry ice]

what about castle

[alpine talon]

I am so pathetic

[pale wolf]

nah if odd todd is maybe throw, starting at 0 with Castle doesnt feel right

[north schooner]

Probably too late with only 2 discards

[wintry ice]

idk i'm kinda desperate since i haven't got a mercury in ages

oh there's one

[pale wolf]

whats ur chips

base

[wintry ice]

55 now

[cloud sinew]

the only one that absolutely doesnt make sense to be that high is DNA

[pale wolf]

yea i think bb is super the way

[alpine talon]

DNA is absolutely amazing

[wintry ice]

ridiculous setup

[cloud sinew]

it's B-

[alpine talon]

You guys just can't seem to make use of it

[wintry ice]

dna is good if you have a reason to dupe a card

otherwise it's eh

[pale wolf]

do you have any examples of high level dna gameplay that arent endless goaled

[wintry ice]

it's just an effective downside

[alpine talon]

One glass card is all it takes for it to be a run winner

[cloud sinew]

DNA is fairly well balanced, its just overrated because of endless

[north schooner]

I mean, that top 10 is clearly focused on card value not joker value

[alpine talon]

It's much better than baron

[wintry ice]

are you always getting a glass card early on?

[cloud sinew]

that doesnt mean anything really

B tier joker vs D tier joker

[wintry ice]

bloodstone is better than baron

[alpine talon]

I don't buy DNA in ante 1 bro

[wintry ice]

doesn't save it

[fervent wolf]

Threw this run earlier, annoyingly couldn't find any glass seal queens

[alpine talon]

Oh no! What joker could have possibly helped?

[pale wolf]

yorick is better than showman imo

[alpine talon]

@cloud sinew

[cloud sinew]

DNA is in your top 10 most used jokers. it doesnt make sense for it to be considering it's
A. rare
B. not worth taking early game
C. a joker you should drop after youve gotten enough value out of it

[fervent wolf]

Idol, which of course did not appear after I got antimatter

[north schooner]

what a weird statement

[wintry ice]

endless is meaningless for balance

[fervent wolf]

Agreed

[pale wolf]

show me 1 game where showman wins without yorick or another scoring joker

you cant

[alpine talon]

Well I did get this run a few days back

[cloud sinew]

endless:

[north schooner]

No, it's like saying "strawberries are better than potato peelers"

[wintry ice]

i'm sorry to tell you this but you don't need to score e53 to win

[alpine talon]

B-but I just won twice! Using DNA!

[wintry ice]

this is an incredibly specific situation

and it's on green stake

[cloud sinew]

I've also won at least twice using Idol! that means its a good joker, right?

[alpine talon]

True it was lucky

[fervent wolf]

I only take Dna for endless, normally it isn't the best

[pale wolf]

how about on gold stake, up to the part of the game where it says "You Win!"

[alpine talon]

Idol is luck and DNA is free glass

[uncut slate]

photo more than chad is wild

[wintry ice]

free glass isn't as good as you think

[alpine talon]

Guys I'm not saying DNA is the best

[cloud sinew]

its not free

[alpine talon]

I'm saying it's underrated

[fervent wolf]

Provided you draw the glass

[uncut slate]

i take chad every time i see it but usually only take photo if i already have chad and photochad makes sense

[alpine talon]

IT'S ONE TAROT CARD BRO

[pale wolf]

one of the good parts of glass is that it can disappear

[alpine talon]

YOU GET HUNDREDS

[cloud sinew]

it absolutely IS NOT underrated. its overrated by the vast majority of people

[cloud sinew]

1/22

[alpine talon]

So you don't have any tarot generators

[wintry ice]

glass cards aren't that good

[cloud sinew]

also takes a while to setup glass, and if youre relying on glass for scoring then youre going to be breaking glass quite often

[alpine talon]

BROTHER

I'm actually so done wtf you mean glass cards aren't good

[cloud sinew]

arent that good

balatro players cant read

[vestal fern]

the green stake icon in the room:

[alpine talon]

5 glass cards give 32 mult fym no good

[cloud sinew]

vic never said they werent good

[pale wolf]

by the standards of endless players, people playing gold stake ante 8 runs underrate like 12 jokers and overrate every single other one

[uncut slate]

glass dna is fine idk

[wintry ice]

how often are you playing 5 of them at once

[cloud sinew]

and if youre playing 5 of them at once, on average youre breaking 1.25 cards each time you do it.

[pale wolf]

why do you need 5 glass cards 😳

[uncut slate]

if it lets you play 3 or 4oak glasschad that's good enough imo but weird to see dna that high

[alpine talon]

I'm not an endless player

[median crystal]

what do i do

i kinda want it

[alpine talon]

Is ts for real

[median crystal]

but idk if i should want it

im playing 2 pair

[wintry ice]

yet a lot of your arguments revolve around it

[cloud sinew]

you just posted an ante 22 baron/mime build wdym

[pale wolf]

thats a shit ton of scoring for no apparent reason

[fervent wolf]

"Not an endless player"

[pale wolf]

overscoring doesnt give you extra rewards and you're just risking glass

[cloud sinew]

overscoring doesnt do anything for you

[alpine talon]

It's my first ever endless crafted with meticulous luck on a casual green stake run

[wintry ice]

and?

[median crystal]

help ples

[cloud sinew]

using all your glass when you dont need to is actually worse if you rely on said glass

[pale wolf]

like glass is good and a reason dna can become better, but it doesnt make dna a good joker generally

[alpine talon]

Well someone just said how glass cards aren't that good while they literally explode the chip counter

[north schooner]

DNA is as good as any x2 mult joker

[wintry ice]

and?

[cloud sinew]

if you have 5 of them, yes.

[wintry ice]

the ceiling is 1.2 million on 14/15 decks

[alpine talon]

Guys please tell me I'm not the only one to think this opinion is wrong on so many levels

[pale wolf]

what does exploding the chip counter do, i just want to pass ante 8 consistently

[white zodiac]

except DNA doesn't say x2 mult on the description

[alpine talon]

Then multiply glass cards until you have 2 for each handd

[north schooner]

You're wrong in the sense that I'm agreeing with you

[wintry ice]

why rely on something that's less consistent than just relying on jokers

[pale wolf]

glass is worse than a 2x joker

it doesnt multiply mult jokers

[alpine talon]

It's not 😭

[median crystal]

do i sell one of the baseball cards?

[white zodiac]

is this where the conversation starts 😐

[wintry ice]

how is it not?

[alpine talon]

Oh hey

[vocal quartz]

holy

[alpine talon]

I know you

[wintry ice]

you have to get the planets for glass cards to do something

[white zodiac]

that's not a good sign

[alpine talon]

From yesterday

[wintry ice]

it's not like they just give xmult for free

[north schooner]

hello

[alpine talon]

Remember I told you how obelisk isn't great

[white zodiac]

I get that a lot

[pale wolf]

bbc is worth 1.5^3 which is like 3.somethingX, photo with sock is better

[north schooner]

Ok now we disagree again

[wintry ice]

and you're incorrect about that

[alpine talon]

Well these guys try to convince me DNA is not too great or consistent

[wintry ice]

what's your point?

[cloud sinew]

it is though;
youre relying on deckfixing for glass to draw said glass every hand, which in this case is using DNA.
you also rely on base mult as glass triggers before +mult from jokers like red card, abstract, etc.

[white zodiac]

well yeah that's true

[alpine talon]

Well I understand why it can be good I just hate using it lol

[cloud sinew]

because it isn't.
DNA isn't bad, it's just not "that good". it's B tier.

[north schooner]

Acceptable.

[fervent wolf]

Can we all agree that Ceremonial Dagger is a great joker

[cloud sinew]

DNA is also really just not that consistent. you need something worth copying for DNA to be "good", and it hurts you a lot. you need to win the round with 1 less hand if you use DNA

[pale wolf]

its aight i guess

[cloud sinew]

which means less $, less draws, less scoring events, etc

[north schooner]

"I don't like using obelisk" is much different from "obelisk isn't great" though

[white zodiac]

it's decent

[pale wolf]

yea also 4 fewer cards to draw

[alpine talon]

Which is quite fine really, and you can sell the said +mult jokers in favour of retriggering ones or smth else

[north schooner]

Obby is great, you just don't like it

[alpine talon]

I still think it's meh but wtv

[pale wolf]

dna is sorta like bloating your deck by 4 cards

[wintry ice]

most fun scaling +mult joker

[cloud sinew]

"in favour of"...
this is a point of it being niche. you cant choose what jokers you get given but you can choose what jokers you take;
DNA is less favourable in the example you presented if you have +mult from the joker stage.

[white zodiac]

retriggerring jokers have a susceptibility of having to think about more boss blinds and card draw on average which goes against your DNA debacle earlier

[pale wolf]

the same way that chaos kinda gives you $5 per round

[cloud sinew]

obelisk is one of the best jokers in the game. at the very least top 20%

[alpine talon]

I am pretty sure 2 glass cards in your hand already replace the value of +mult jokers

[alpine talon]

What the bloody hell

😭😭

[pale wolf]

top 20% is 30 jokers and i cant even think of 30 entire jokers

[cloud sinew]

there are WAY too many variables for you to be saying this

[cloud sinew]

base mult and +mult from the joker stage both matter for evaluating this, so this absolutely is NOT true generally.

[white zodiac]

it's within the strongest of the x mult scalers purely from the speed and not harsh conditions

[alpine talon]

Wdym I don't get it

[wintry ice]

scaling mult jokers are usually better than 4x for 1 single hand

[north schooner]

DNA is fine to take to propagate your glass cards. You don't have to use it every round, and with xMult jokers, glass can be very helpful to keep you alive. Once you have ~3 glass cards in your deck it's easy enough to draw them regularly

[wintry ice]

this is a good comparison actually

red card is being like a 6x mult joker

[alpine talon]

Well I want to be slightly stupid by saying I saw an eternal obelisk today and I had 18 played hands on flushes and 0 on everything else and I didn't take it

[median crystal]

what is this

what do i sell now??

[wintry ice]

which is simply far more than what 2 glasses do

[alpine talon]

I played checkered tho

[pale wolf]

THROW

[alpine talon]

And 3 glass cards is already times 8

[white zodiac]

all I can think of are the top 10 and maybe 10 more outside of my top 10 used 💔

[cloud sinew]

i love cherrypicking

[alpine talon]

I won anyway I found photochad and like 10 3x mult jokers

[serene forge]

I hate DNA

[pale wolf]

i could probly name every joker given 20 minutes

[north schooner]

You also don't need to hold onto it. You can make 5 glass cards with it, swap it out, and use those 5 emergency glass cards for the remainder of your run.

[wintry ice]

for 1 hand

[pale wolf]

on blue stake

[white zodiac]

that's like 3 booster skips

[median crystal]

guys ples help

[shell dagger]

when prompted with the card art or just from memory

[median crystal]

idk what to do

[wintry ice]

while red card is being a 6x multiplier for all hands

[alpine talon]

Okay okay I agree I wouldn't take DNA in that specific situation but is it really that common having a +85 red card

[pale wolf]

memory, card art would be as fast as theyre shown to minus the front pagers

[wintry ice]

okay this is mildly threathening

[cloud sinew]

that was a +66 red card

[white zodiac]

me too but when you tell me to sort the page 1 joker names and images

[serene forge]

i don't think i've ever had a gold stake run where red card is below 72

[cloud sinew]

you cannot get a +85 red card :3

[north schooner]

That's blue joker. It gives you 2 chips equal to the number of cards left in your deck.

[alpine talon]

I forgot I'm kinda speed running checkered today

[shell dagger]

the world if 85 was divisible by 3

[median crystal]

im asking what to sell xd

[alpine talon]

Whoops

[median crystal]

i want blueprint

hell nahhh

[alpine talon]

Someone deleted spam

[pale wolf]

holy crap Elon musk is going to give me $1,000

[serene forge]

elongated musketeer

[shell dagger]

Holy shit kai cenat wants me to be in his stream

[lone halo]

I'm playing through Black deck now, made it to blue stake and I'm gettin my ass handed to me. is the key just forcing pair and highcard?

[alpine talon]

You believe in this and then tell me DNA is bad okay boomer 🙄

[north schooner]

Seems like a good time to swap out pareidolia

[white zodiac]

its me yilong ma

[median crystal]

my deck is not enough built for pareidolia to go

[white zodiac]

it's mid and very conditional

[north schooner]

pair usually, but also black deck is about grabbing the jokers it gives you even if they don't necessarily work together

[white zodiac]

that's about it

[serene forge]

dna is winmore

[alpine talon]

I wholeheartedly believe it's as good as trading card

[serene forge]

90% of the time

[white zodiac]

😐

[cloud sinew]

+$3 and -1 card
vs -$1 and +1 card

hmmmm....

[alpine talon]

What

[wintry ice]

trading card is B-?

[alpine talon]

You want more cards silly

[median crystal]

what to sell for blueprint

[alpine talon]

Is it

[median crystal]

i thought about mime

[serene forge]

dna is only good in situations where you're already winning, therefore being somewhat redundant

[cloud sinew]

situationally, not always.

[shell dagger]

not necessarily

[alpine talon]

Okay I agree with this

[cloud sinew]

generally you want a thinner deck, and you only bloat when necessary

[alpine talon]

But it's still good

[shell dagger]

it’s so rare you don’t want a small deck

[cloud sinew]

i.e blue seals, hologram, etc

[north schooner]

Mime is giving you 2x

[shy abyss]

ok this is just insane

[cloud sinew]

a smaller deck = easier time digging for ALL of your ideal cards, not just the ones youve duplicated.

[alpine talon]

Yeah when all your cards are glass

[serene forge]

photo

copy bbc (for scoring)

[unborn cliff]

hologram you just need to add cards you can still have an 8 card deck

[alpine talon]

Copy WHAT

[serene forge]

mime is good here

[cloud sinew]

baseball card

[unborn cliff]

its just harder to have a smaller deck with hologram

[alpine talon]

Ah

[white zodiac]

dna
makes you see less cards (short and long term)
doesn't remove bad cards
cost 1 dolla
takes away scoring potential short term
requires you to have and draw something worth copying
is more expensive on purchase
not bbc fuel

[wintry ice]

good run

[serene forge]

pareidolia sucks but its actually kinda good here because its foil and baseball card is there lol

[alpine talon]

+1 glass gold seal card tho 🥹

[cloud sinew]

trading is also better than DNA because its very good early and doesnt need a card worth copying to be worth it

[wintry ice]

+78 red card is what i expect from a bus with grabber

[white zodiac]

ok what's the argument

[wintry ice]

it's crazy

[median crystal]

so im fr selling photo?

[cloud sinew]

+$3 early vs -$1 early

[white zodiac]

also not blue seal gold 😐

[shell dagger]

trading card makes the future glass gold seal card much better

[terse vale]

only thing worth DNAing in my eyes

[wintry ice]

people who defend dna don't realise that the card copying comes at a cost

[alpine talon]

Gold seals are splendid but they might just be the worst lol

[cloud sinew]

red seal is the worst

[alpine talon]

BULLSHIT

NAH

[wintry ice]

i'd say red seals are worse yeah

[alpine talon]

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE

WHAT

[serene forge]

red seal is good but definitely the worst of the 4

[alpine talon]

COME ON

[serene forge]

because it does nothing by itself

[shell dagger]

Be more open minded

[serene forge]

you need devil or magician or something before it does anything

[median crystal]

I GOT FOIL CAVENDISH

[shell dagger]

Hear other arguments instead of immediately refusing

[median crystal]

WHAT DO I SELL

[wintry ice]

+3$ per round is generally better than what a retrigger does

[alpine talon]

WHY ARE YOU SO AGAINST GLASS AND RED SEALS

[heady narwhal]

top 5 value generators:

1. certificate
2. vagabond
3. midas mask
4. rebate
5. certificate
6. negative showman

[cloud sinew]

i'm not against them

[alpine talon]

ARE YOU JUST IMMUNE TO MAKING YOUR CSRDS GLASS

[serene forge]

blue and purple are good for obvious reasons and gold seal is just free money that gets even better with retrigger

[unborn cliff]

perkeo

[north schooner]

reading comprehension

[wintry ice]

red seal glass doesn't do much in a world that's dominated by scaling mult

[cloud sinew]

"worst" is a relative evaluation.
"bad" is an overall evaluation.

red seals are the worst but they are not bad

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[wintry ice]

another one?

[median crystal]

next fucking spammer

[terse vale]

oooh money

[shell dagger]

Bruh another one wtf

[unborn cliff]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[shell dagger]

World record

[serene forge]

glass is mostly good because of potential deckfixing and glass joker

[unborn cliff]

thanks mods

[serene forge]

glass itself is rarely doing anything for scoring when you're using flat mult jonklers

[alpine talon]

How did you forget x2⁵ mult

[white zodiac]

trading card
gives moeny
doesn't detriment your unconditional scoring
removes bad cards to draw better cards more frequently
can be taken with any sticker tag usually
bbc gasoline
6 bucks 👅

[white zodiac]

red*

[wanton sentinel]

I just got a negative perkeo while trying to beat black deck for the first time

[heady narwhal]

did i order these correctly? i think rebate could be higher but i don't like it personally

[cloud sinew]

getting 5 glass in your hand is not something that happens often enough for this to be a good argument