🕹・game-discussion

[wintry ice]

3oak is a fun hand

[viral raft]

is good

[violet bear]

My favorite pairs deck

[fringe crest]

i like 3oak more than pair

[viral raft]

literally any deck works with pair 😭

[white zodiac]

erratic trades straight builds for 3oak speculations

[viral raft]

the reason that i don't like erratic is because is just a pair, 3oak or 4oak deck

[wintry ice]

the joke is that the deck is supposed to favor flushes

[viral raft]

nothing more

[violet bear]

Yeah the joke is that pairs are basically better even on checkered at the end of the day

[viral raft]

i guess, like you can play checkered

[shell current]

I hate checkered because no rough gem

[umbral pumice]

magic deck gold stake, 1 hand size brainrot turbo

[viral raft]

i mean erratic without R spam is just a pair and 3oak build

if you're lucky 4oak

but that's it

is just so boring

[vale frost]

the goat is here from a wheel of fortune and judgement

[zinc karma]

What do u play normally?

[viral raft]

i love pairs, is my fav hand in the entire game, but like you can't make a entire deck around just a few poker hands

[terse dock]

You need to get some bitches

[viral raft]

same with checkered, but even with checkered you can still play most of hands

[zinc karma]

But u can just deck fix

[white zodiac]

not every run receives that luxury

[viral raft]

so why it's the point of playing erratic bruh

[zinc karma]

Ik

[zinc karma]

Can be funny

Can be shitty

[viral raft]

that's why i hate it lol

incosistent

but most of the time is just a pair, 3oak or a 4oak build

[zinc karma]

Isn't every deck since balatro is roguelike?

[violet bear]

Not really no

[viral raft]

nope because the other decks gave you stats

[white zodiac]

erratic dictates which jokers are better and worse through decisions out of your control

[viral raft]

Erratic feels like Eden from tboi but only with stat changes

[wintry ice]

this run is looking like a run

[viral raft]

sometimes is just, something is just shitty and boring

[violet bear]

That’s certainly a run

[umbral pumice]

mmm pants

[viral raft]

unlike the other decks

[white zodiac]

discarding cards correctly on erratic is too much frequent thinking 💔

[wintry ice]

this was looking fishy until now

[cloud sinew]

also every run has a different starting position so you need to do a unique evaluation every run for a lot of things

[unreal island]

plasma and black deck fighting for which is the worse gold stake experience:

[white zodiac]

yeah

[shell current]

This is why people hate obelisk

[wintry ice]

?

[white zodiac]

what

[zinc karma]

It reminded me that i just learnt that full house works for pants

[violet bear]

I kinda like that about erratic

I like brainbusters

[cloud sinew]

obelisk requires barely any thinking if you play it right though

[white zodiac]

obby licks requires like minimal thinking

[viral raft]

Obelisk is a great joker

[wintry ice]

it requires the most thinking out of any joker but

[umbral pumice]

i freaks with obelisk i think its fun most of the time

[violet bear]

The thinker of obelisk be like

[wintry ice]

that's a low bar

[white zodiac]

wrong ping mb

[violet bear]

Is x <= of y

[cloud sinew]

erratic/plasma/green are my least favourite for streaking because of how different they play to every other deck...

[violet bear]

[viral raft]

true shit, plasma isn't bad but is way different than the others

[zinc karma]

Green is pretty ok to beat tbh, and plasma is just easy

[viral raft]

Green too

[white zodiac]

plasma can go bury itself

[cloud sinew]

at gold stake, absolutely not.

[white zodiac]

someone hasn't been streaking with it 👅

[viral raft]

gold stake?

[umbral pumice]

plasma on gold stake is just "can you find scaling chips?"

[violet bear]

The certified plasma violet moments

[cloud sinew]

to beat it once, sure.

[white zodiac]

can you pivot in time and at the right time*

[viral raft]

no lol

[zinc karma]

I got plasma gold first try (or second)

[cloud sinew]

but to win consistently you need to pivot from chips -> mult fairly often

[umbral pumice]

yeah thats more accurate i guess

[viral raft]

truthnuke

[shell current]

Rentals will just kill you on green if you can’t find an econ joker

[cloud sinew]

the context was streaking

[zinc karma]

Idk about green till now, but im on my way to it rn

Ig ill discover

[shell current]

No interest with rentals specifically is so rough

[zinc karma]

But i dont think its that bad

[white zodiac]

I don't have problems with rentals, pairs being naturally more expensive is my issue

[cloud sinew]

econ is very rough on green outside of ante 1

[viral raft]

lowk, but rentals should only buy if they're worthy to reach ante 8 with him, like a good Xmult joker or a great econ joker

[shell current]

Rentals on top of this make green orange vs green gold coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[white zodiac]

rentals have a less invasive impact over 2oak simulator as far as total money expended

[shell current]

Sometimes you take a rental halvsies or rental random foil to clear a couple rounds in ante 3 while looking for a better option. Green deck that means you are missing buffoon packs

[wintry ice]

"can you find scaling chips and not run into the brick wall that's violet vessel?"*

[terse dock]

Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

[nova mantle]

Plasma is the bane of my existence

Wicked be the time I was trying to beat gold stake plasma

[vale frost]

my pc just crashed while play balatro

[willow frost]

did you debuff your pc by accident

[vale frost]

prob lmao

[nova mantle]

Crimson heart picked the graphics card to be debuffed

[wintry ice]

gg lmao

[random ice]

Won in one hand lmao

[serene forge]

I hate Plasma Deck

[wintry ice]

it definitely feels weird to play

[frank light]

On high stakes it can be a pain

It’s one of the easiest decks for bad players early

And one of the worst for bad players late

[pale grotto]

There is no way of winning in less than 8 hands the Game right?

[dusty oxide]

guys i just beat gold stake im so good

[frank light]

Not that I’m aware of

[dusty oxide]

cheats

[pale grotto]

Congrats!!!

[tranquil cargo]

apparently there's a mr. bones glitch that lets you skip antes

[royal shale]

bets?

[pale grotto]

Holo

[unreal island]

Run's looking promising

[wintry ice]

nope because it's more common

[dusty oxide]

nope

[unreal island]

Just deck fix bro 🥀

[wintry ice]

i almost took this hex

lmao

[unreal island]

1 in 5 to hit

[pale grotto]

OMG

[royal shale]

I'm on gamblemaxxing, I can't

[pale grotto]

I was right

[unreal island]

Bro gamblinf the run 😭

[wintry ice]

0 in 4 actually

because madness is holographic

[dusty oxide]

1/40

stop lying

[unreal island]

Oh wait didnt notice holo on madman

[royal shale]

simply sell the madness to make it a 4/4 chance of leaving all your jokers alive

:3

[unreal island]

[dusty oxide]

i used anhk thinking it was sigil

[pale grotto]

Teach Madness a lesson and let him die by the hex

[pale grotto]

Where did he land?

[nova junco]

Oh god

[royal shale]

bets?

[nova junco]

Nope

[nocturne frost]

C++ with black deck only:
5 jokers left
Chips flash, straight and two pair
Castle and Dusk.
Win rate has dropped. Even on winning runs it's big trouble actually finding the jokers needed. The most recent win I managed to find a few of the needed jokers, but had only space for one, and when I found an uncommon one (stone joker, in general a big problem because of the stone card requirement), I had to pick that one.

[heavy hare]

BRISKET GUILTY GEAR PFP

[heavy hare]

foil

[royal shale]

yes haii hello haii :3

[heavy hare]

🦑

[nocturne frost]

Solid

Holo on rebate is solid

[vocal rose]

foil

[white zodiac]

next round

[wintry ice]

bridget fans when you ask them what their favorite way to prepare beef is

[urban hedge]

Anyone know if I should be copying sock and buskin or bloodstone? Cause I find they're doing the same score but there is a difference of 100 million

Ignore the modded deck thing

[nova junco]

You can just count the number of triggers

[urban hedge]

Yeah that makes sense

But wouldn't they do the same thing?

[nova junco]

Wdym

No

[urban hedge]

Wouldn't it trigger the bloodstone another time the same way that sock and buskin does

[nova junco]

Right

But bloodstone isn't the only thing triggering

[urban hedge]

Oh yeah

[nova junco]

You also have photo and scary face

[urban hedge]

Forgot about those

[nova junco]

Also if you have glass or lucky with oops makes retriggering better

[urban hedge]

Yeah I do have alot of lucky cards

[simple jacinth]

well this run was stupid

[nova junco]

Then yeah retrigger them

[nova junco]

Debt any%

[urban hedge]

Yeah that makes sense thanks

[simple jacinth]

take eternal stencil, hex it, take tribe, wraith into blueprint, take credit card, take telescope, buy two jupiter

and then almost exclusively buy Jupiter (spare maybe two arcana packs)

and a couple of glass aces off grim and I just...blinked and I'd won

for the first time in a long time I just wholly rng'd into a win

[paper birch]

Just threw a gold stake run ante 7 because forgot I had splash with my ride the bus build 💔

[acoustic moth]

Hey guys, I have a question.
Should I buy mime and brainstorm it or should I just skip it?

[unreal island]

dude

ecto does not exist

[floral mural]

seems good for cash but how tight is your scoring right now

[acoustic moth]

Ive been relying on flushes and face cards to score, im not sure if my brainstorm is getting full value

[random ice]

People underrate stone, I have on multiple occasions drafted a Gold Seal Face with bus so I could Stone the Face and Keep the Gold Seal

[acoustic moth]

and I only have like 2 cards that can be affected by mime

[random ice]

Stone allows some quirky interactions

[unreal island]

goodbye smiley face ❤️

[soft vapor]

Hit the road is kind of good with some deckfixing

[floral mural]

what about all the gold cards you have

[unreal island]

"like 2 cards affected by mime" while having a shitton of gold cards

[floral mural]

unfortunately the answer is removing swash over smiley

[soft vapor]

I mean it's 0.5x per jack discarded per round right?

[floral mural]

smiley scores more

[acoustic moth]

I only have 8 hand size, so most of the time I’m barely getting value from the gold cards

[unreal island]

yeah but ur playing ur gold cards

[acoustic moth]

I made my Chad negative with a spectral

so

[unreal island]

still double the value for each gold card

[dire crater]

Whats the best way to earn money

[acoustic moth]

so you think I should sell smiley for mime?

[unreal island]

either midas mask or rebate

Im gonna get fucking crazy WHERES MY ECTO

[nova gull]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[soft vapor]

Do you guys think a voucher that makes it so you can select +1 more card is balanced

[unreal island]

I OPENED LIKE FIVE SPECTRALS AND EVERY ARCANA AND STILL NO ECTO

[white zodiac]

keep your 6s folks

[dusty oxide]

bull

[acoustic moth]

Could be pretty busted

[unreal island]

balance doesnt matter if its a massive headache to program and figure out rules for

THEN balancing is a way bigger headache

one dev btw

[naive jolt]

When the photochad wants to jump in your run and you've just beaten the plant

[royal shale]

I usually use it to start the pair snowball, whether it be because I can’t find a good chips source to start that or it’s just a cheaper option. Really underrated.

[unreal island]

granted thunkidunkithan is goated but i dont think punishing him with the task of making six selected cards work is worth it

unless itso nly for discards

which might be cool

[acoustic moth]

you could ask him if he’d be up for it

Who knows

[royal shale]

Hes already said no iirc

[white zodiac]

in the no longer chill chat

[unreal island]

heh... fuck off kid im having an awesome and unique run

photochad zzz

[dire sapphire]

prolly
five card hands usually stop being used pretty fast

[night turret]

Gotta love it when you get the pillar

[soft vapor]

Six of a kind 🔥

[dire sapphire]

three pair

[night turret]

And fucking double tag with extra voucher

[dire sapphire]

fuller house

[night turret]

The worse full house sequel

[soft vapor]

Completionist has just gotten harder to get

[dire sapphire]

straight +1

[soft vapor]

straighter 🔥

Slush six

[unreal island]

swag voucher tag

[dire sapphire]

clusterflush

[soft vapor]

Emperial Flush

[night turret]

I’megcih one

Which one

[soft vapor]

How does one

Misspell that so badly

[night turret]

I’m at dinner, waiter asked me for my food at the worst time

[soft vapor]

Ohhh

[night turret]

I feel like if I get the duplicate for hologram I’m good

That or abstract

[dire sapphire]

challenge idea:
Flushed

Only flushes score. Significantly faster blind scaling.
(800k base blind size at ante 8)

like a lot a lot faster

[night turret]

Also I can buy two vouchers, which one

[unreal island]

Another run lost to a24 🥀

[night turret]

You can mod that

[night turret]

Rip

[soft vapor]

Rule of the invis: It will always copy the weakest one or the one that just does nothing when copied

[unreal island]

Anybody got advice for beating ante 24

[white zodiac]

no

[unreal island]

Other than having no ecto

Bc game decided to gibe me no ecto and i was forced into boss blind reroll mode

[night turret]

Fuck it, I’ll get card sharp instead of playing card

[unreal island]

Card sharp the goat

[cloud sigil]

whats the move

[dire sapphire]

challenge idea:
Double Time

Each ante, the base blind size is that of double the ante in a normal game.

[unreal island]

Sell the chad

[night turret]

Green joker would be good

But I’m not gonna risk it

[dire sapphire]

Card sharp doesnt scale

[unreal island]

Have bp copy the buskinator

[cloud sigil]

YAY

[night turret]

Moment of truth boys

[unreal island]

ok ngl i should've rolled down for a dna

[shell current]

excuse me??? (black stake because I don't have c+ on steam yet)

[unreal island]

DO NOT RIP IT NOW

DO NOT

[night turret]

Yes, but I didn’t have any x mult

[dire sapphire]

yet another challenge idea:
Armageddon

Ante scaling is significantly slower before Ante 8.
Ante 8 requires a base of 1e15 score.

[night turret]

Why not?

[dire sapphire]

hologram

[night turret]

I had nothing on that one

[dire sapphire]

...

skill issue

[unreal island]

ok unless u sell both ur commons i wouldn't rip it

[night turret]

And I haven’t gotten any playing catds

[unreal island]

double card sharp is awesomesauce

[night turret]

Good idea

I’ll do it now

[acoustic moth]

this was actually the right play, I won my first run because of it
thank you!!

[unreal island]

she goes crazy

[night turret]

They meeting for the drugs

[unreal island]

future drspectred

[unreal island]

breaking naneinf

[acoustic moth]

😼 thank you vro

[night turret]

Now it’s a circus show

Oh no, Steven turned gay

Now it’s a yaoi

[dire sapphire]

stupid challenge idea:
Dulled Cards

All cards are debuffed at the start of each ante. Remove debuff from cards whenever they are played. Begin with a perishable Blue Joker.

The Pillar is banned.

[night turret]

So the opposite of the pillar?

[dire sapphire]

ya

Lemme add some banneds

[boreal oar]

first blind would need a grace period

[night turret]

Yeah to be even usable

[boreal oar]

or start with a joker that can get you 300 points

[night turret]

The drug dealers are separating them

What shall they do!

[dire sapphire]

drugs

[wintry ice]

balatrodle

[boreal oar]

im on a 30 streak rn

hit the rough gem the other day first try

[night turret]

Perfect

[dire sapphire]

STUPID challenge idea:
Wheel of Suffering

1 in 4 chance for each joker to be destroyed at the start of each blind.
Begin with 7 Joker Slots

[night turret]

You are now my ghost write

[shell current]

YX38425F if anyone wants a nat negative BP seed lol

[dire sapphire]

On average 1.75 jokers are destroyed

[boreal oar]

each joker as in every joker is a 1/4 or a 1/4 for a joker to die

[dire sapphire]

1/4 per joker

[boreal oar]

thats tough, glass jokers

sounds doable though

[dire sapphire]

13.3% chance for a joker to NOT die

So uh good luck

wait it should be at the end of the blind

So they are glass

AAAA

Lemme thunk of some more

[vestal fern]

guys i just heard Shakespeare died

[shell seal]

Buy riff raff

[dire sapphire]

Challenge idea:
Destructive Gains

After all jokers are scored, subtract mult from chips.

[keen lodge]

I hate it here

[bronze linden]

sell jimbo and splash

might be just enough

or pray for an immolate in spectral

[wintry ice]

1$ off

take spectral pack to gamble for immolate

clearly

[hardy fable]

iitsp🗣️

[shell current]

Wraith is also a hit here

[keen lodge]

I got a merry andy 2 antes later and died to the water

I’ll be stuck in purgatory for a while

[jagged torrent]

Gold steak 💔

[north schooner]

Hex or ankh.... I want both

[shell seal]

Maybe sell the hex and use ankh

Then u can get a hex

[north schooner]

Yeah, I think ankh is better for score too

Wheeee

Now I need some deck thinning quick

[vestal fern]

"please jimbo i need this! my flush house build is kinda homeless"

[wintry ice]

full

[cursive lion]

mystic ghost and polychrome pull

[round nexus]

wild build to gold sticker egg and showman

[cursive lion]

🤑

[round nexus]

courtesy of an early certificate giving me 5 gold seals lol

[vocal rose]

oh

[wintry ice]

the

[cursive lion]

WEE JOKER 🗣️

hit the quan

SHOULD I???

i have seven bones

[vocal rose]

this is peak

[viral raft]

is my Gold stake% good or should i get better?

[cursive lion]

🥶

[viral raft]

this is my file 1 stats btw

[shell seal]

I would sell Burnt joker to be able to improve my econ with reserved parking but that x1.5 maybe helps your score substantially. It depends on how good your main hand level is

[vocal rose]

no

[shell seal]

Cómo ves eso w

[vocal rose]

you shouldnt

[wintry ice]

balatrostats.com

[vocal rose]

you shuoldve sold a burnt for that

[shell seal]

Why

Oh nvm

[vocal rose]

not selling a burnt for that blueprint was a throw

but I mean its still double poly burnt

[shell seal]

Ty

[cursive lion]

yeah

[vestal fern]

flush house because the build in question is lacking the full house aspect

[ivory sun]

[vestal fern]

:brian:

[cursive lion]

i mostly decided to skip since i dont have a lot of money and i dont have a sticker for other jokers

[north schooner]

uh... can I just skip all the way to ante 8?

[vocal rose]

yes you can

[cursive lion]

yeah

thats how you get merry andy

[round nexus]

showman moment 😭

[cursive lion]

wee joker is sixteen rounds but usually you can kill two birds with one stone

[viral raft]

You can't speak on spanish w

for some reason we can't speak on spanish

Sad

[vocal rose]

if you want seltzer gold stickered then time it so when you get to the final boss blind its on 2 more procs

[cursive lion]

hey, give me the illusion of free will? no choice?

[north schooner]

8 seltzers left should be enough to avoid suit bosses, assuming I can draw the flushes

[shell seal]

cuz is chat in general i guess

[viral raft]

https://www.balatrostats.com @shell seal

[vocal rose]

what would drspectred do...

[north schooner]

Ohhh good point

[cursive lion]

its mainly because the mods are only speak english

[viral raft]

idk they could make a chat for another laugague dudes

[shell seal]

Classic ancient joker

[cursive lion]

😈

[round nexus]

vampire is fun therefore its the correct choice 🙂

[cursive lion]

should i...

[shell seal]

ty

[cursive lion]

i can open the spectral pack and see if theres an ecto

aw thank you showman

you shouldnt have

[round nexus]

4 burnt joker

[cursive lion]

no one tell them

[round nexus]

nvm the burnt isnt eternal

[cursive lion]

ill sell the business card for mime since its already a sticker and two cards wont conver like five or six face cards

[shell seal]

it will have less activity though

[round nexus]

honestly though 4 polychrome burnt sounds so fun

[north schooner]

ugh, might be too close, I'd have to draw flush without spending any hands

[round nexus]

the needle?

[shell seal]

At least the number of hands you can play in the boss + 1

[shell seal]

Seltzer remaining uses

[viral raft]

idk, alot of people that plays balatro are spanish or another languague, thanfully alot of balatro people knows english

[shell seal]

The mime will retrigger reserved parking so is win win

[cursive lion]

🥶

[modest stirrup]

Is the objective of this to 100% the game without ever losing?

[shell seal]

Lol

[north schooner]

Apparently it's bugged unless something else benefits from a retrigger

[viral raft]

that's general stats

gold stake stats

[shell seal]

Is it?

[north schooner]

Mime apparently only retriggers parking if the first parking hits

Just learned today

[vocal rose]

hmmm....

[shell seal]

worse

[north schooner]

Unless you have something like Baron or steel that would also cause a retrigger

[zinc karma]

I completely forgot i could have one more joker

[shell seal]

Ohh that makes sense

I think I saw that bug

But i didn't notice it was a bug

[north schooner]

Do I discard five for the heart flush or only four and hold the two other kings for a full house or 3oak backup? Ugh this game is too stressful

[zinc karma]

Flush

And getting seltzer with 2 ancient in ante 3 is just sad tbh

[north schooner]

Just trying to get its sticker!

Seltzer showed up just a little too early

[round nexus]

this madness better get me the gold sticker on scholar

[zinc karma]

Thats what i said

[dark otter]

do i ankh and see if it hits yorick, and if it does do i actually do it

[zinc karma]

No

Dont even try

[north schooner]

yeah

[cedar shell]

is the riff raff justifiable

[white zodiac]

sure

[shell seal]

Maybe with three of a kind ? idk whats your lvl in that hand?

[cedar shell]

no photochad from the riff raff, sadge

[unreal island]

free econ

[shell seal]

sure

[north schooner]

all level 1 except flush. Full house might have made it but now I have to weigh the odds of one of the luckies going off

that's like.. 3 in 5, ugh

Wait no, it's higher

No never mind

about 2 in 5 chance that non go off

[shell seal]

That two pair actually can do something

But move the hearts to the right

Like 8D KD KH 8H

If one hits +20 is safe

Even if doesnt hit is around 4k ~

the recommendation to obtain the jokers with gold stickers is to play the game normally, have good econ and be able to look for the joker you want in the final antes

[burnt topaz]

Abandoned beat checkered in the Balatro deck league, and it wasn’t close

[north schooner]

It'd be less than 3000 though

with no lucky hits

[shell seal]

Mmm i think is 4k ~?

[burnt topaz]

Here’s every current matchup

[shell seal]

Give me a sec

[north schooner]

1.5^8x2x56

[north schooner]

hmmm what am I missing

[shell seal]

Maybe the retrigger on the chips?

[north schooner]

Oh yeah thanks

lol this is the hardest I've ever mathed Balatro 😂

[shell seal]

lol I only mathed in the first ante

[cedar shell]

hm

[north schooner]

This fuckin game

[cedar shell]

kinda wishing riff raff wawsnt eternal smh

[cedar shell]

youll make it i believe

[north schooner]

not for the sticker now

I guess I can stop skipping and enjoy the double ancients now though

Thanks for the help though, was worth the shot

[balmy ridge]

are we so back or is it so over

[tranquil steppe]

Obelisk is too early RIP

[night turret]

Be glad you still had hands left

[balmy ridge]

im also on gold stake so only 2 discards sadge

[tranquil steppe]

Yorick the GOAT!!!!!

[cedar shell]

wdym

[night turret]

Oh so this is the fucking joker I’m missing

[cedar shell]

just play 4 joker challenge until obelisk wins me the run

[balmy ridge]

im gonna sell him.......

[tranquil steppe]

You’ll figure it out

[tranquil steppe]

You’re a monster

[balmy ridge]

jk i wont but

i think he's hard to use

especially with 2 discards

[north schooner]

Yeah it's fine, I was going for the seltzer sticker and that's out now but I still won the round

[tranquil steppe]

He’s still strong. Plus maybe you’ll get the garbage voucher

[coarse silo]

How may discards do u have

[balmy ridge]

~_~

[round nexus]

update on the run

[coarse silo]

Trading card my beloved

[round nexus]

would've liked more than 1 gold sticker but getting scholar out of the way is pretty nice

[balmy ridge]

we're so back holy

[tranquil steppe]

You’re cookin

[tranquil steppe]

Told you!!!

[round nexus]

lol i got no enhancements on my aces

[cursive lion]

mystic sixth sense pulls

[round nexus]

i've used like 4 deaths on regular aces, it feels so bad but its necessary

[cursive lion]

we are cooking

and before you ask

the goad is beaten

[random ice]

What a layout

I was already farming parking money

[cursive lion]

🤑

[austere escarp]

w start

[cursive lion]

w start 🗣️

you need odd todd for the iconic duo™

[balmy ridge]

are there any jonklers that synergize with yorick i should be looking for?

[cursive lion]

luxary tax is DEAD not even with the credit card and vagabond stat 😈

[cursive lion]

mail in rebate, castle, hit the road, drunkard, mystic summit, merry andy, basically anything that gives you more discards or benfits from discarding

[balmy ridge]

true

[cursive lion]

honestly the first two will be your best bet as you will need to keep up with your econ and chips

[shell seal]

merry andy

[cursive lion]

also i love castle

[balmy ridge]

did get summit

[cursive lion]

castle goes hard

idc what roffle says

[balmy ridge]

i agree castle is fun

i think imtoo late to scale castle tho ante 4

[cursive lion]

its good chips especially for discard or flush builds

[shell seal]

even burnt joker for more high card levels, so you can discard freely

[shell seal]

ye, castle is fun if you get it in early antes

[cursive lion]

oh yeah that is true unfortunaly its one of those slow burners

[random ice]

So much money

[coarse silo]

Type shi

[random ice]

And then an instant million

[shell seal]

shi

[cursive lion]

i just need XMULT

[shell seal]

holy moly

[coarse silo]

Baseball card would go crazy

[lunar zealot]

chat what's a really really Bad synergy

[cursive lion]

😈

[lunar zealot]

like two jokers that still work better when with each other but are still godawful

[cursive lion]

anything with yo mom OHH

idk

[lunar zealot]

My mama dead

[random ice]

Seed is 6Y1LD5KQ

[cursive lion]

i get that feeling too

my father dead too

[shell seal]

green joker + merry andy?

[lunar zealot]

those two have antisynergy

[random ice]

Potential for endless here, if you avoid the eternal summit ante 1

[lunar zealot]

i'm looking for bad synergy

[random ice]

Regardless, a good run

Parking is just a really good money printer lmao

If you pay attention to your scoring

[lunar zealot]

As in they still synergize the synergy just sucks

[shell seal]

vampire + midas mask?

[lunar zealot]

that's a really good synergy

so that doesn't count

[shell seal]

its not great tbh

[random ice]

Oops All Sixes and Cavendish lmao

[lunar zealot]

That's antisynergy

[shell seal]

then blue joker + dna

[north schooner]

Welp, that finishes up this build, I guess

[lunar zealot]

Now THAT'S a good one yeah

[tranquil steppe]

Ballot boi

[random ice]

Showman + Hallucination

Technically allows you to hold TWO hermits

[lunar zealot]

Exactly you get the game now

[cursive lion]

its....

just going to do the medium too risky

[thorny axle]

youve heard of baron mime

what about

[shell seal]

get some lovers for emergency

[thorny axle]

reserve parking mime

[north schooner]

I don't know how that works in emergency but yeah why not

[random ice]

Lovers Tarot and Matador, for when you want to get that money and you don't draw the card lmao

It's very situational

But it can happen

[shell seal]

for ancient joker?

[north schooner]

Oh lovers, yes

I thought you mean negative droll there for some reason

[lunar zealot]

what are other Bad synergies

[lavish gazelle]

Oops all 6's and Glass Joker

[lunar zealot]

no that's a good synergy

[north schooner]

I had a star but had to give it up because I drew both blue seals

[lunar zealot]

i'm looking for bad synergies

[random ice]

Ok @lunar zealot, Paredolia, Stone Cards, and Sock and Buskin. Only way to get Stone Cards to retrigger via Sock

[stiff fjord]

is flower pot + smeared bad?

[random ice]

It's technically an extra 50 chips per stone

[lunar zealot]

Hoooly

[random ice]

And all it takes

[round nexus]

Success. Ante 8 blind was the leaf, which killed my flat mult generation, but thankfully i had enough levels on 4oak to win in 2 hands

[random ice]

Is 3 jokers

[shell seal]

sin joker + sly joker?

[lunar zealot]

hmmmm

[north schooner]

pareidolia on its own is bad synergy

[lunar zealot]

you know what?

[royal shale]

whats the 3rd

[cursive lion]

speaking about luxary tax with credit card

[lunar zealot]

Sure yeah it's not very good synergy

[north schooner]

it doesn't need any other jokers

[thorny axle]

pareidolia + ride the bus

[royal shale]

Stone + Parei + Sock is 2 Jokers and an enhancement

[lunar zealot]

That's antisynergy

[random ice]

Oops I confused stone cards for stone joker lmao

[royal shale]

ah okay

[lunar zealot]

antisynergy =/= bad synergy

[coarse silo]

This is crazy

[lunar zealot]

I'm looking for 2 jokers that synergize but the synergy sucks ass

[royal shale]

anyways, Gift Card and Riff Raff

[north schooner]

Nah that's just good black deck tech

[royal shale]

costs 4 joker slots for +$2/round :3

[cursive lion]

also

obtianed some more jokers

[thorny axle]

abstract joker + riff raff

[lunar zealot]

that's not a bad synergy

[thorny axle]

fuck

[lavish gazelle]

That's good early yeah

[stiff fjord]

séance + perkeo?

[thorny axle]

why am i bad at being bad

thats the one thing im meant to be good at

[random ice]

Merry Andy + Banner, 120 chips at the cost of handsize and you refuse to use Andy as intended lmao @lunar zealot hows that

Merry Andy + Rebate is busted though

[cursive lion]

i have club gem, glass joker, and hit the road left!

[random ice]

Don't sleep on Andy

[thorny axle]

yorick + banner

[shell seal]

séance + everything?

[lunar zealot]

that's not a bad synergy per se

[royal shale]

Baseball and Perishable Showman

[lunar zealot]

But banner is bad

and merry andy isn't good

[royal shale]

look it could be worse

it could be Baseball and Showman

[random ice]

Incorrect, Merry Andy lets you find blue seals and max out rebate and faceless

[zinc karma]

I like andy

[random ice]

It's very useful for anything that warrants decksearching

Also purple Seal maxing

[shell seal]

andy my goat

wdym

[cursive lion]

and castle, hit the road, and yorick scaling

[lunar zealot]

Fair

[random ice]

Thank, try him some more. Especially on abandoned

[lunar zealot]

i'd say banner andy is still not a bad synergy

[north schooner]

Oh, uh... sock and buskin and rough gem

[shell seal]

I think it is

[austere escarp]

do yall think I could beat the final boss blind if I sell sly joker. Green joker is at 41 and holo is at 5.75x and my pairs are level 10

[random ice]

He hits hard on Abandoned as he lets you access the entire deck lmao

[modest stirrup]

regularly scheduled reminder that black deck is ass

[lavish gazelle]

Good on only plasma

[royal shale]

Trouba and Parking I think would count

[lunar zealot]

That sounds bad

[cursive lion]

i mean its ten dollars per hand thats not bad

[zinc karma]

Probably

[shell seal]

whats the boss?

[austere escarp]

bell

[round nexus]

imagine if cards could have multiple enhancements

[north schooner]

Unlikely

[round nexus]

wait new joker idea

[lunar zealot]

eh you're probably fine just play lots of pairs

[shell seal]

I think you can win

[lunar zealot]

thank god it's not vv

[north schooner]

what's the one that everyone on Reddit likes...

[shell seal]

fr

[lunar zealot]

how's mercury looking

[round nexus]

idk what it would be called but would be cool if there's a joker that allows cards to have multipl enhancements. Like a glass lucky, or a gold steel

[cursive lion]

i mean all you have to do have a good five card win and thats it

[lunar zealot]

if you buy marble that's +.75x mult

[shell seal]

vv is the pair run killer

[north schooner]

Pareidolia and Photograph

[lunar zealot]

and if that adds up to be more than sly's +chips

obviously sell sly for marble

Especially since you can play stone cards

[royal shale]

it's technically antisynergy actually, mb, it's 1.25x more handsize (from 8 to 10) but 0.75x less hands (from 4 to 3), which totals to 0.9375x chances for parking to proc

[round nexus]

or multple seals, like a red seal gold seal or red seal blue seal

[lunar zealot]

Hmm

[random ice]

You want an insanely shitty synergy with Merry Andy? WELL

on a few runs with Abandoned I've taken Idol, which is infamously shit

However, Merry Andy on Abandoned allows you to access the entire deck. Which is pretty neat

So, I had Idol, Hanging Chad, and Merry Andy. And was able to access EXACTLY THE ONE CARD I NEEDED to do the WORLDS SHITTIEST PHOTOCHAD each round.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, that's the worst synergy I've ever used lmao

[north schooner]

The chances you draw all 3 face diamonds is pretty unlikely

[austere escarp]

lets goooo

[lunar zealot]

OH MY GOD

THIS IS THE WORST SYNERGY I'VE EVER SEEN

IT'S PERFECT

[north schooner]

I guess it depends how much deckfixing we're allowed to assume

[random ice]

It works too, it's so painful

And it's technically a use for idol

Chad really carries it lmao

[wintry ice]

1/15 decks

no way

[royal shale]

Glass Joker 6th Sense. It sounds good, but since (iirc) spectrals are bugged when it comes to destroying glass cards, it's actually really bad I think.

[round nexus]

well its pretty bad if all you're getting is photochad, but if you deck fix you can play multiple of the card you need, which makes it better than photochad

[random ice]

Idol randomizes each round

[balmy ridge]

is it worth going for a baron build if you're just going for ante 8?

[austere escarp]

so glad I never have to grab idol or marble joker ever again

[wintry ice]

does 6th sense's destruction not count?

[shell seal]

congrats

[lunar zealot]

no

[balmy ridge]

ok

[lunar zealot]

Marble is fine for specifically hologram

but even then certi is better

[wintry ice]

baron is exclusively for endless

[royal shale]

6th Sense would count towards Glojo.

[shell seal]

why did you say that to my beloved idol

[wintry ice]

cause if you can build for it

[royal shale]

The spectrals would not.

[warm kindle]

game teasing me with these souls that I cant take

[wintry ice]

you'd win regardless

[warm kindle]

had like 3 now 😭

[wintry ice]

it's decent atleast

[shell seal]

sell the flower pot

lol

[royal shale]

okay okay, worse one, Canio + Seance (I think that's its name, strush for a spectral)

[random ice]

Also shit like this is exactly why I love Balatro

[shell seal]

[warm kindle]

its negative 🥀

[random ice]

I'm sure Painted still has some undiscovered tech

[shell seal]

was a joke 🥀

[round nexus]

i still disagree with this. Baron is xmult, even with just 2-3 kings in hand it provides x2-3 mult, which is good if your flat mult comes before in hand triggers. You dont 30 red seal steel kings for baron to be good

[random ice]

Seance + Stencil, Seance can make Ecto trust

[royal shale]

OH, Splash + 4F + Superpos

[shell seal]

Seánce + merry andy

[wintry ice]

"if your flat mult comes before in hand triggers" well that's the thing

it usually doesn't

scaling +mult jokers are overwhelmingly more consistent than on-scoring

[cursive lion]

i think i got this challange in the bag im going to try save the slot for either madness or hack

[wintry ice]

while still doing enough to win

[royal shale]

and it REALLY doesn't if you have to leave a bunch of kings in your hand as your xMult, restricting your ability to play large hands

[shell seal]

You can look better for cards for the straight flush but it is also more difficult with the reduced hand size

[north schooner]

It's not bad synergy, but this was easily the most painful build I've ever had that (nearly) won.

[round nexus]

yea, like every other joker, its situational...you use your best judgement if you think its good or not. If you have high levels on your hand, or card triggers that give mult, or raised fist/shoot the moon, baron is a good pick. And that's way more versatile than alot of other xmult jokers

[royal shale]

Splash + 4F + C2 as well

[shell seal]

Just a normal day in high stakes

[wintry ice]

"a lot of other xmult jokers" such as?

[round nexus]

acrobat and loyalty card for example. They only give xmult on 1 hand every round, while baron triggers on every hand

[royal shale]

Loyalty also sucks

[north schooner]

Imagine having to move dagger every run so it's on the left of the xMult, vampire eating all your enhancements, deck built around 10/4 full houses, while also minding the loyalty card countdown

[wintry ice]

if you have to compare it with loyalty card

[royal shale]

Acrobat doesn't cost hand size AND comes after +mult jokers

[wintry ice]

is your point really sound

and acrobat is great for large hand builds

[old hamlet]

do i get that midas mask?

[round nexus]

im just saying that baron is still a decent pick for just beating ante 8, it's not only for endless like you said

[wintry ice]

it always triggers when it's needed

[wintry ice]

and why is that?

[cursive lion]

should i wait for madness or take the merry andy

[north schooner]

Loyalty card does not give xMult every round

[shell seal]

why

[cursive lion]

honestly loyalty card has to be the worst card in the game it isnt reliable one bit nor there is a build that can work with it

[old hamlet]

could get driver's license

[round nexus]

because, like every other joker, if you have alot of levels on your played hand or other card triggers that give mult before baron triggers, then baron gives you reliable xmult. I dont think i need to repeat my point 3 times here

[thorny axle]

get 6 hands

[warm kindle]

with burglar its good

[thorny axle]

then use it as shitty acrobat

[warm kindle]

otherwise its not great

[round nexus]

baron is situational, constellation is situational, hologram is situational, even legendary jokers are situational

[warm kindle]

x4 acrobat

[north schooner]

It's reliable enough. At least it's not rng. You can skip to boss blinds if you need to, like ancient joker.

[warm kindle]

which is better

[old hamlet]

plus that would make more money in the long run then chore list

[shell seal]

fair enough, if you are confident in your score rn sell mr bones

[wintry ice]

constellation and hologram are barely situational

and even then

[round nexus]

bringing up a scenario where baron isnt useful means nothing, when i can do the same for some of the best jokers

[wintry ice]

they're far less situstional than baron

[cursive lion]

yeah... but tbf there are like several way better builds with burglar its just more where it doesnt hurt to get it as a negative or edition but outside i dont see a reason to keep it or even buy it

[round nexus]

blueprint is situational true. I wouldnt waste money and a joker slot on blueprint if i dont have something good to copy

[thorny axle]

yorick

[warm kindle]

ive used loyalty card + burglar on a few runs

cause 4x mult is rlly nice

[wintry ice]

well it's not useful in most scenarios

[warm kindle]

even if it is one hand

[wintry ice]

do you want to engage with the discussion or not?

[warm kindle]

rarely you dont want to double one of your jokers tho

[cursive lion]

yeah 4x mult is nice

[round nexus]

i'd take baron on ante 8 since i usually have good base mult from my played hand, i would never take hologram or constellation on ante 8

[warm kindle]

ignoring eternals you need a pretty specific setup to not have space for a blueprint

[shell seal]

loyalty card is a desesperate option or a temperance value

[cursive lion]

his greed sickens me

[round nexus]

at the end of the day xmult is xmult, you have to take what you get

[shell seal]

there are better jonklers which you can relay on

[cursive lion]

why so royal?

[wintry ice]

anecdotes are poor evidence

and i won't take an a
xmult joker that usually does nothing

[royal shale]

Hologram's situation is rolling a 1/4 chance for each pack in the shop, if you win then you get +0.25x. That's VERY often, ignoring ALL SYNERGIES.
Constellation's situation is the same thing, but with the added planets in the shop. Also ignoring ALL SYNERGIES.
Yorick's situation is: Can you discard? Yes: Profit.
Chicot's situation is: Are there bosses in this game? Yes: Profit.
Perkeo's situation is: Do you have consumables? Yes: Profit.

[round nexus]

is baron the best xmult option? Of course not most of the time. Does it get you enough xmult to baet ante 8? Yes it does, so if you find it, and you need xmult, pick it up. It will do its job

[warm kindle]

like if you have any xmult it just doubles that, making a x3 a x9 for example, or even doubling +mult or a chips scaler makes it a x2 basically, and thats ignoring the fact that you can copy other stuff for money and so on

[wintry ice]

not working with scaling mult jokers is a huge downside, wether you want to believe it or not

[wintry ice]

do you have an example on a stake above blue?

[warm kindle]

I did use baron on orange stake once

[round nexus]

baron's situation is do you have alot of levels on your hand? If yes, its a good option. Guys its realy not that hard to get value out of baron

[vestal fern]

hex in spectral

[cursive lion]

sobbing

[round nexus]

...my guy im almost done completionist++, i've won several gold stakes runs with baron as my xmult option

[royal shale]

Baron antisynergizes with itself, which is why it's bad.
It takes up space for kings (effective -handsize), while you need larger hands (aka, more handsize and consistency) generally to get +Mult to apply BEFORE in-hand effects.
The reward for working around this, realistically, is farrrr too low for the commitment required.

[warm kindle]

but like baron can be good sometimes its just not very common youd rather take it over what you alr have

[wintry ice]

most of the time it's better to just stick with your scaling mult joker than completely change your build

[cursive lion]

hit the road is out though

[wintry ice]

and?

[light iris]

pain💔

[cursive lion]

four more jokers 🗣️

[wintry ice]

i could do c++ by forcing full houses if i wanted to

[cursive lion]

club gemstone, glass joker, canio, and perkeo 🗣️

[wintry ice]

does that mean full house is good in any way

[north schooner]

ugh... photo or no? It's a good backup I guess

[wintry ice]

absolutely not

[round nexus]

omg holy shit who said anything about changing your build????? You just use a couple discards to find 2 kings in hand you get your xmult. You dont need to change your whole deck to get value out of baron

[royal shale]

I'm gonna get C++ with the only tarot being wheel of fortune. Does that mean it's good?

[cursive lion]

4️⃣

[wintry ice]

because most of your scoring comes from jokers

not playing cards or planets

is that hard to understand?

[shell seal]

Classic pareidolia

[warm kindle]

a lot of the time that wont be better than using something else unless ur hand level is high, you have glass cards, or some steels

[old hamlet]

well that is the second time i started with invisible joker

[floral mural]

why do i get runner and then proceed to get no flat mult at all besides the two pair flat mult common

[balmy ridge]

does shoot the moon still give +mult from debuffed queens?

[round nexus]

but if your scoring comes from planets or raised fist or shoot or card triggers, which is way more common than you think, baron is a good option

[warm kindle]

or u arent using +mult

[north schooner]

This point is invalid bc we all know pairs are the best hand and you should be leveling them anyway

[round nexus]

you use your brain to decide if baron is a good fit or not

[royal shale]

Pairs the best but not because of the mult you get from them

[wintry ice]

no it's not more common than you think

[round nexus]

im not saying to take baron 100% of the time when you see it, im saying to consider baron even if your deck isnt full of kings because it could give you just enough xmult to win

[shell seal]

Baron is good even in early antes, give you a direction for your build

[wintry ice]

scaling jokers are an always pick

if you aren't taking them you're just

throwing

[royal shale]

You get mult from jokers usually. Jokers that go AFTER in-hand effects like baron.

[shell seal]

but obviously not everytime

[warm kindle]

what if you dont get one

[round nexus]

oh ok, so you're gonna take hologram in ante 8? got it

[balmy ridge]

?

[wintry ice]

no one is saying you are

stay on topic

[warm kindle]

and you're surviving on xmult scalers

[wintry ice]

?

[shell seal]

it doesnt

[balmy ridge]

ty

[warm kindle]

and your hand level is higher mult than whatever +mult jokers you have are giving

[north schooner]

No, but if you're leveling them anyway, you get value out of Baron without being constrained by hand size

[royal shale]

depends on the situation, but it's good enough that there's a lot of times where I think someone would do that

[royal shale]

you get very low value out of baron

[wintry ice]

then rely on larger hands

[royal shale]

you're better off with +mult

[north schooner]

And if you need to you can always play a pair of kings in an emergency

[wintry ice]

that don't depend on specific ranks

[cursive lion]

ill blow my brains out if it hits shortcut

[wintry ice]

if baron said "kings count as steel" no one would care about it even though that's exactly what it does now

[warm kindle]

just go main menu and go back 👍

[round nexus]

on gold stake you dont really get to choose your build. What you're saying is great if i can choose any joker i want from the collection. The reality is sometimes the only xmult i get is baron or even loyalty card. In those cases you adapt and work with what you got. And baron is pretty to work with even if you dont build around it

[wintry ice]

how so?

[lavish gazelle]

R key moment

[grim thunder]

Should I be happy or should I just pick Trance?

[wintry ice]

you still need a lot of levels and deckfixing for it to match what an early bus or green joker would be giving you

[balmy ridge]

GAMBA

[lavish gazelle]

Wraith good

[wintry ice]

trance is optimal but ankh is viable

[round nexus]

and if you dont have those?

[wintry ice]

wraith is also decent here

[wintry ice]

why go for the sunk cost fallacy joker?

[grim thunder]

Ankh? I'm going for the gamble

[lavish gazelle]

It could even be a blueprint

[cursive lion]

🔥

[round nexus]

see thats your problem. You're assuming the best case scenario for your side and worst case scenario for my side

[wintry ice]

?

[round nexus]

Ok you're just not reading at this point. You. Don't. Have. To. Commit. To. Baron.

[royal shale]

you were* doing the exact same thing

[wintry ice]

how the fuck do you not?

[round nexus]

If you can get even 2 kings in hand, it can make enough difference to make you win

[grim thunder]

I mean, won't complain

[wintry ice]

3x on a slow scaling number is pityful

cavendish and blackboard don't care about what's in your hand as much as baron does

[round nexus]

No i am not. I said tha bare minimum. Decent levels on your played hand and 2 kings. Im not even including enhancements, red seals, or mime

[tranquil steppe]

Campfire is good late game

[grim thunder]

Yeah, just need some money and almost GG

[wintry ice]

hell even bloodstone isn't that specific and it needs 1 specific uncommon to work in most scenarios

because you atleast get to play enhancements

[unkempt reef]

💔

[warm kindle]

you can with baron as well

[tranquil steppe]

You just need ancient joker and you’re all set

[round nexus]

bloodstone is a 50/50 chance, its better because you rely on luck. Baron is guaranteed, so of course the effect is weaker? I feel like we're just losing brain cells here

[tranquil steppe]

And ballot boi

[warm kindle]

steels, glass, and even lucky or +mult cards can be useful with baron

[wintry ice]

you can argue that any joker is good if you're in a seed where it's your only option

[lunar zealot]

Ello ello

[lunar zealot]

Both are bad next question

[wintry ice]

the point is that it sucks compared to most things

[wintry ice]

baron is guarranteed if you draw 4 out of 52 cards

[tranquil steppe]

Bloodstone is GOATed fr fr no cap straight bussin ong

[round nexus]

No, its situational, like most things. If you think its good, pick it up. It will be good more times than you think

[wintry ice]

"i will love you unconditionally in certain conditions" type argument

[lunar zealot]

Both are bad

Next question

[wintry ice]

again

most things don't rely on 50 variables to work

[royal shale]

unrelated, Obelisk is top 20 jokers btw

[shell seal]

every joker is situational, right?

[round nexus]

also if you have any amount of thought going through your head, you'll be putting steels and blue seals on kings if possible, which keeps you prepared for baron if it ever shows up

[zinc karma]

This makes me remember something...

[wintry ice]

try engaging with the discussion instead of blinding yourself every time someone provides a counterpoint for you

[tranquil steppe]

Hmmmm

[lunar zealot]

Baron is bad and shouldn't be built towards

next question

[round nexus]

Wow the projection is insane

[wintry ice]

did you run out of arguments or what?

[warm kindle]

fr

[round nexus]

I didnt say build towards baron, but if you're gonna be putting a blue seal on something, why not put it on your kings? Why not put steel on your kings? There's 0 downside and if you find baron, your deck is already set up for it

[warm kindle]

"shouldnt be built towards" we know bro

[lunar zealot]

'any amount of thought going through your head' and bro is glazing baron

[lunar zealot]

'bro'

ok

[wintry ice]

everything is good if you're in a situation where only that thing is useful

that's not a real argument

[wintry ice]

because i'd rather have them active for 1 more round

[round nexus]

I'm not glazing baron. I'm just saying that baron is a real consideration for xmult even if you're not going endless

[wintry ice]

and it isn't

[lunar zealot]

Because steels aren't optimal enhancements and have low priority compared to others and if i want to have a high value rank that i would consider making more of i would put blue seals and golds on 2s/9s of spades/clubs

[shell seal]

true

[royal shale]

• Several people are saying you're wrong with valid proof.
• You, alone, keep saying Baron is ante 8 viable while saying the same lines that assume a good situation for it.

Sure, we must be the problem.

[warm kindle]

not just him

[lunar zealot]

Baron is explicitly antisynergistic with the meta

[shell seal]

I got some baron builds in gold stake (no endless)

[wintry ice]

him and his alt account*

[lunar zealot]

there is really no world where baron is ever able to be slotted in as an option for xmult

[round nexus]

There's countless times you open an arcana pack and steel is the best option, so you might as well put it on king because it doesnt hurt

[warm kindle]

its not "viable" whatever that means, its good sometimes

[lunar zealot]

Anecdotal

[warm kindle]

you're just saying its never good which isnt true

[lunar zealot]

And again if you want to steel a card steel a 2 or a 9

[royal shale]

lets not make those accusations

[lunar zealot]

wee and cloud 9 offer more practical value

[warm kindle]

or its only good in ultra specific scenarios

[round nexus]

Yes it is anecdotal, because thats how the game is. Every seed is different. Every run deserves its own considerations and alot of runs baron is worth taking

[royal shale]

augh

[wintry ice]

in the scenarios where it's the best option

[shell seal]

I love my wee

[unreal island]

Card named King of Spades:

[wintry ice]

you'd be winning without it

[eternal anchor]

We are chatting in a Discord server and we happen to play a card game roguelike, that all is anecdotal in a way

[wintry ice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics

[lunar zealot]

what?

what are you talking about

I genuinely don't remotely understand your point

[vestal fern]

pass me the ball, atro.

[royal shale]

I'm going back to gamblemaxxing and posting "bets?" with a screenshot yall, I forgot how much bad players and arguments that go nowhere hurt my head

[vestal fern]

that contradiction🔥

[wintry ice]

you can take a joker's values and determine it's strengths and weakness relative to the game from that

[shell seal]

I dont understand what are yall saying

[wintry ice]

it's that easy

is it not?

[round nexus]

I'm saying that anecdotes are not bad here because every run is different. Anecdotes are the ONLY reasonable way to discuss the game, because it all depends on your specific run

[lavish gazelle]

What is going on

[lunar zealot]

Some guy thinks baron is good because they've won runs with baton

[vestal fern]

octobaus joker that gains X0.25 mult for every King in hand

🔥

[round nexus]

I said baron is not bad. Thats not the same as saying its good

[wintry ice]

better than baron because it works with the meta

[shell seal]

I am a Jimbo in a Violet Vessel

[lunar zealot]

it explicitly is bad because it is antisynergistic with the best strategy in the game

pairs and joker-trigger scoring rather than on-scored or in-hand

[lavish gazelle]

You start with 4 kings in the deck and have to find the one retrigger that works with the guy

[round nexus]

Who gives a shit about the best strategy?? The game isnt about "picking the best strategy" its about adapting to what the game gives you

[wintry ice]

and the game doesn't let you use baron the majority of the time

[round nexus]

and in a lot of situations, baron is a useful pick

[lunar zealot]

and adapting gets exponentially harder on gold stake which is why pairs are as consistent as they are

[royal shale]

half of the time you can force blue seals

[wintry ice]

your own points can be easily used against you

[lunar zealot]

who here plays pairs

raise your hand

[wintry ice]

and you still haven't realised that

[lunar zealot]

🖐️

[lavish gazelle]

Pair lobotomy is real

[warm kindle]

by that logic photochad is bad

[royal shale]

🖐️

[wintry ice]

🖐️

[eternal anchor]

I play Pairs whenever the run calls for it as early as it can

[lunar zealot]

PHOTOCHAD IS BAD

[shell seal]

I play flush house in ante 1

[lunar zealot]

YOU ARE TALKING TO THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS SERVER WHO HATES PHOTOCHAD

I AM HER

[wintry ice]

photochad isn't that much better than a scaling mult combo

[royal shale]

imagine getting hard countered by a boss blind

[lavish gazelle]

Looks inside

[round nexus]

If you're forcing blue seals, then you'll get good value out of baron.

[shell seal]

Is a good pick up situational

[lavish gazelle]

?

[royal shale]

not when they're on cards that can't reach king most of the time

[lavish gazelle]

Whar

[wintry ice]

it's 2 specific jokers that have big weaknesses when used together

[lunar zealot]

baron also needs hand size, a proportionally larger amount of blue seals for pluto (and not mercury) and retriggers

[wintry ice]

it's not flawless

[lunar zealot]

and again you don't put blue seals and steels and golds and red seals on kings anyway