🕹・game-discussion

[thick mountain]

da heck

Cya license and gelato.

[eternal flame]

like wow

even had enough money to buy both

[thick mountain]

Always cool to see stuff like that show up next to each other.

The hurt is when you open the standard pack and it is photo chad lmao.

I have had blue print and blueprint at home show up like that twice now.

[simple bronze]

is this winable?

[thick mountain]

wiable at best

[stiff fjord]

literally happened today

[thick mountain]

The disrespect hahaha

[white zodiac]

which is why I'm running c++ with it

[tranquil cargo]

as though chad is such a bad pickup in a round 1 buffoon pack

[thick mountain]

I always take chad though lol.

If I can win I like the retriggers on lucky etc.

[eternal flame]

gold seal, glass, lucky, bonus, mult, golden ticket, etc

[tranquil cargo]

no ik, I'm saying it's not a bad pickup and idk how that pack opening can hurt so much

[white zodiac]

speaking of

[eternal flame]

why are you playing on a square

[thick mountain]

Rude taunting lol.

[tranquil cargo]

scary face on abandoned deck? I guess it is foil

[scenic sigil]

This guy's playing on a Gameboy

[pale wolf]

game boy SP balatro

[thick mountain]

LOL I think it is a fold phone

My friend plays on one and it looks like that.

[white zodiac]

technically I can play gba games on my fold

yeah

[tranquil cargo]

you can technically play any game on a gameboy

[thick mountain]

When you play a GB game on GBA.

[tranquil cargo]

they have arbitrary code execution

[eternal flame]

vertical balatro gonnna go crazy

[simple bronze]

is this ggs?

[tranquil cargo]

pretty much, yeah

[thick mountain]

Cooked.

[eternal flame]

yes you're gooked

[eternal anchor]

Nat holographic Triboulet what the hell

[final escarp]

are bull/bootstraps the only jokers that can solo naneinf

[unreal island]

Gnat? Where???

[final escarp]

(within the first 39 antes)

[vestal fern]

bro's square joker

[tranquil cargo]

blue joker technically

[final escarp]

@white zodiac what else

[vestal fern]

every scaling joker can hypothetically naneinf

[tranquil cargo]

granted, I think a deck with e300 cards would crash the game

[final escarp]

within the first 39 antes

[shell dagger]

erosion can’t

or throwback

[vestal fern]

we don't talk about erosion

[thick mountain]

shop one wraith luck

[vestal fern]

every NONCAPPED scaling joker can hypothetically naneinf

[eternal flame]

wow! they have it! s q u a r e

[final escarp]

not within the first 39 antes

[shell dagger]

such a nothing claim

[knotty steeple]

WHAT

WHAT

WJAT

WHAT

[shell dagger]

every UNBOUNDED joker can get an UNBOUNDED score

[knotty steeple]

OKAY I GUESS?????

[tranquil cargo]

you can only play so many hands by ante 39

[proper oasis]

3 jokers left for c++!!!

[eternal flame]

not actually
floating point makes it so that spare trousers, for example, does not end up getting anymore mult after a certain point because it's just too insignificant

[knotty steeple]

CHICOT

[vestal fern]

you win

[shell dagger]

no upper bound to the number of negative burglars you can get

[fading mango]

HOLY, i just found a natural double soul seed on ante 1

thats amazing

[knotty steeple]

GIVE ME YOUR SEED

[vestal fern]

but then the cops will arrive and every burglar will get arrested🧠

[knotty steeple]

RIGHT NOW

[thick mountain]

Canio lol

[eternal flame]

even if you had infinite hands, there is absolutely no way you could get naneinf on ride the bus because the +1 stops adding after a bit

[fading mango]

when i die ill dm it

[proper oasis]

Marble, Showman, Seltzer
I don't like showman, and never get ante 8 Seltzer

So that'll be fun

[shell dagger]

you’d be playing hands well beyond the heat death of the universe

[serene forge]

who needs planets anyway

[tranquil cargo]

got your oops all 6 sticker?

[fading mango]

killed myself for the double soul seed for ya

here ya go

skip 1st blind and then open the arcana in the 2nd

[proper oasis]

I need to get lotsa econ and just reroll like hell on ante 8

for seltzer

[eternal flame]

there are some seeds that give you negative legendary jokers in ante 1

[eternal anchor]

Cavendish on ante 4 is probably the earliest I've found it

[serene forge]

i got c++ 4 months ago

[serene forge]

why is it blue

[quaint solar]

what's correct copying for 5 copies, baron, and mime

[fading mango]

maybe because i was hovering over it

im not sure

[eternal flame]

do you have red seals on all your cards or no

[quaint solar]

yes

[eternal flame]

ok then you should have one more baron than mime

the red seal is effectively +1 mime

[serene forge]

you didn't "find" a double soul seed you used brainstorm mod to filter one 😭

[thick mountain]

lolol they sold themselves out on the map advice

[oak goblet]

Uh, any advice?

[eternal anchor]

holy negative

[tranquil cargo]

ouch, so many negative tags and not enough money for rerolls

only 1 shop left too

[low grotto]

So uhhhh. That’s a lot

[low grotto]

Ong

[tranquil cargo]

welp, should be a couple stickers at least

[low grotto]

Unless he’s got vouchers

For reroll

[tranquil cargo]

I'd ask what egg is at, but I'm guessing you can't win without it feeding swashbuckler

[eternal anchor]

Only way to take advantage of all those tags is with Reroll Glut and Overstock+

[tranquil cargo]

maybe you can with the value of a ton of negatives

[simple bronze]

you don't need the egg

you gota all them jokers

[eternal anchor]

you do actually
because Swashbuckler

[simple bronze]

no

when you got 15 jokers you don't need the egg

[low grotto]

Fr

[knotty steeple]

it's
IT'S NOT DOUBLE SOUL
IT'S TRIPLE SOUL

TRIPLE SOUL

[serene forge]

reverse time and don't take the negative tag

[low grotto]

Even if I don’t win, I’m getting every negative joker I can. Just for the love of the game

[low grotto]

Pick criptid

[knotty steeple]

LMAOOOO

[tranquil cargo]

cryptid the perkeo

[serene forge]

skip for red card value

[knotty steeple]

yorick

[low grotto]

Just think, 3 queens

[knotty steeple]

worth it ngl

[simple bronze]

what do i do?

[final escarp]

Jokers that can solo (with base deck and no extra levels/consumables/jokers/vouchers) naneinf (by ante 39): ride the bus, runner, square joker, vampire, hologram, fortune teller, lucky cat, bull, flash card, spare trousers, castle, campfire, swashbuckler, glass joker, wee joker, bootstraps

Is this correct

[low grotto]

Start a new run

[ashen saffron]

Hey,
Im new here. Can ask for joker advice here? 😅

[tranquil cargo]

sure

[low grotto]

Yes, but I’m not very good so don’t take my advice more than anyone else’s

[knotty steeple]

sure!

send a screenshot of your game tho

so we can help without being too speculative

[low grotto]

What’s your guys highest hand?

[cold finch]

like e14?

[low grotto]

I just got a new high score earlier

[scenic sigil]

I need your seed

[low grotto]

Oh…

[knotty steeple]

LMAOOO VP49Y7Z8

[low grotto]

Mines only a billion….. lol

[cold finch]

the gist of balatro high scores is Xmult Xretrigger

[simple bronze]

copy photo man..

[eternal anchor]

you already lost and that's how you know what the seed is?

[kind cloud]

1

[serene forge]

bye bloodstone

[low grotto]

Yeah. I’m just not very good when it comes to deck fixing and joker combos

[serene forge]

naneinf

well actually

no

[knotty steeple]

no,it's because a guy sent it to me

[serene forge]

my best score is 0

[eternal anchor]

ah

[knotty steeple]

e12

[tranquil cargo]

I think the correct decision here is to ditch photo for blueprint copying bloodstone

[serene forge]

nah bloodstone goes

[tranquil cargo]

mine is 2.4e249

[low grotto]

What’s the Strat to learning to fix your deck? Idk where to start when it comes to that

[serene forge]

have a lot of tarot generation and econ

if you get a purple seal from a pack/certificate use death to make a lot of them

[tranquil cargo]

the deck fixing strat isn't gonna be the same every run, it's often dictated by jokers

for instance if you have fibonacci you'll probably want to strength 4s and 7s, remove 9s through queens (kings can be strengthed into aces), etc

[brisk sandal]

^ made a post to explain https://www.reddit.com/r/balatro/comments/1o5314o/ante_20142_for_real_this_time_ante_wr_sans/

[serene forge]

in general, black suits > red suits because blackboard is extremely powerful and consistent

for ante 8 runs of course

[low grotto]

What’s the best way to remove cards? Hanged man or death? What should I prioritize finding?

Only been playing like 5 days so I’m still pretty new

[serene forge]

hanged man to remove unwanted cards, death to make more of your good cards

[low grotto]

So both equally important?

[serene forge]

trading card joker allows you to remove 1 card per round by discarding it

[low grotto]

Oh that’s neat I’ve not seen that one yet

[serene forge]

it's all situational

[tranquil cargo]

if the good cards are less than half of your deck (which they usually are), death onto a good card is usually better than hanged man

[eternal anchor]

Ante 20,014 only requiring you 600m??

[tranquil cargo]

it doesn't update the amount mid-blind

[kind cloud]

mr bone

[brisk sandal]

lol, the glitch was performed in ante 12, but it sent me through a tunnel to ante 20,142

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU-rdn53wZY

looks like this (my first time trying this out a few months ago)

[simple bronze]

is this ggs?

[low grotto]

Ante over 20k? My highest is like 11💔

[willow frost]

its a bug, relax lol

[low grotto]

Oh lol

[sly coral]

whats the highest ante yall got to

[eternal anchor]

13

[thick mountain]

25

[unreal island]

at least ante 3

[brisk sandal]

hehe

[white zodiac]

9 😀

[sly coral]

mine's 27

[sly coral]

i def need to look at that post bro wait

[frank raft]

less then 20,142

[sly coral]

oh mr bones glitch

[brisk sandal]

yee

[simple bronze]

econ not needed

i just made 50 dollar from madaor

[sly coral]

matador is so goated

[simple bronze]

bruh no negative tags

this deck sucls

[sly coral]

just play on black deck if u want stickers

extra joker slot really helps when max u need is 4

[simple bronze]

facts

but analgyph is only good when you can have 15+ jokers

[eternal anchor]

I'm still thinking I'm gonna try Ghost Deck for stickering because I really don't want to deal with 3 hands 2 discards all the time

[stark karma]

MUS9NI6C another double legendary seed, chicot canio

[frank raft]

i did my stickers on magic deck or yellow deck

[stark karma]

thats sick

[frank raft]

unseeded aswell

[simple bronze]

what a noob i got my stickers seeded

[frank raft]

^

[zinc karma]

Does baseball work with rare jokers?

[tranquil cargo]

nope, just uncommon

[rocky nest]

you flush fived the jokers

[zinc karma]

Damn

[sly coral]

what made u ask this

[white zodiac]

did you ever read the joker description

[simple bronze]

no one knows how to read here sir

[sly coral]

Can riff raff spawn uncommon jokers

[simple bronze]

yes but its very rare for that to happen

[zinc karma]

Probably the worst run ive ever had (and have never used baseball cuz i think its bad af)

[eternal anchor]

can you get rare jokers from top up tag

[zinc karma]

Ye, but i thought it could work somehow

[frank raft]

reading comprehension

[white zodiac]

how

[zinc karma]

Idk

Working

[sly coral]

eh its good if u have a build w 2-3 uncommons

[zinc karma]

I had stunt, abstract, misprint, cartomancer (ig its his name) and some other futile shit jokers

I needed an xmult joker

And baseball was the only one to show up

[white zodiac]

well ofc bbc is gonna be shit if you don't play towards it

[tranquil cargo]

cartomancer is uncommon

[zinc karma]

It was my last try before losing

[zinc karma]

Yep

The only one i had

[sly coral]

u could take a random uncommon instead of misprint

[simple bronze]

see thats the problem you needed paradolia

i beat ante 8 with this

[zinc karma]

Man, baseball was the last card i could get in that run

Cuz was my last shop

And i had 6$ left

And sold the threeoak mult common card

To buy and hope for the best

Which was worse than i expected

[white zodiac]

that's more of a user error than bbc flopping

6 bucks remaining being a flag

[zinc karma]

Cuz i was already losing, so i was spending everything trying to get a xmult joker

[simple bronze]

sounds like you need credit card

[white zodiac]

better optimization

[zinc karma]

Could be

[simple bronze]

i mean if you got to that point credit card is only thing thats gonna save ya

or mr bones

[zinc karma]

Both of em haven't showed up on my shops

[simple bronze]

unlucky

[tranquil cargo]

mr. bones would save him alright, it is an uncommon

[gaunt folio]

Holy free black stake win

[wicked warren]

always beautiful to have a wee run

no idol sucked but whatever

i had like 5 cards and the idol would be online

[simple bronze]

this is ggs right?

[eternal anchor]

This game does not want me to sticker Showman

[simple bronze]

just need x mult

[gaunt folio]

Ehhhh

It’s solid for a start

Ideally you want either a ton of planet levels from here or a better scaling plus mult

[stone hornet]

Finally beat cruelty in the least fun way possible but yay

[tranquil cargo]

you have decent +chips and alright +mult that gets countered by 1 boss blind

[gaunt folio]

But I think that carries for like 4 antes

[tranquil cargo]

not a bad start but nothing amazing

[gaunt folio]

With how some of my runs have been going as of late I would kill for that start

[gaunt folio]

Also this one led to a fun win

[tranquil cargo]

not the riff-raff, the onyx agate and foil seance

riff-raff with black deck is always an amazing start

[gaunt folio]

100%

And I got negative rebate + scoring so I knew from that the run was going to be a winner

Shoot the moon my beloved

[tranquil cargo]

good old shoot the moon + baron synergy

[gaunt folio]

Jokes aside it somewhat is synergistic, mostly in that it lets you build more kings with the safety of shoot the moon

[coral ledge]

currently working on this zodiac run, with one joker of each edition

[gaunt folio]

I was actually going to beat the run with just shoot the moon and steel

[tranquil cargo]

it's not a joke, it's actual synergy

[gaunt folio]

Baron was a pleasant surprise

[simple bronze]

can't find any good jokers

[gaunt folio]

What blind are you on

[simple bronze]

boss

[tranquil cargo]

just in case it isn't clear: you can rearrange cards in your hand before you click play

[hidden lance]

i mean its foil

[gaunt folio]

Personally, I go arcana pack for hermit > if I don’t get hermit I mald

[gaunt folio]

I’m well aware

I am far from a noob

[naive jolt]

I'm nearly done with challenges yay

[simple bronze]

there was nothing in both arca packs

[gaunt folio]

I’m finishing up my last gold stake deck actually

[gaunt folio]

Damn

[simple bronze]

oh we good

i think

[gaunt folio]

I mean hierophant, empress, chariot, justice, would’ve been perfect

Like a lot of them should help your score that early

[eternal anchor]

I couldn't sticker Showman but at least I improved the Diet Coke sticker I guess

[gaunt folio]

Try to remember that enhancements are almost always better than no enhancements (assuming you have no currently better options)

Especially on gold stake

That one enhanced card can be crazy important

[hidden lance]

bait but still what the hell

[gaunt folio]

With brainstorm I take it

And it’s foil + plasma deck

So it carries you while you get levels in planets

Then baron makes the late game push

[median summit]

Blue stake rework idea(?) Increase the denominator of all probabilities by 2

[simple bronze]

BRUHHHHH

[eternal anchor]

I think that would be worse

[gaunt folio]

oh no

Black deck blue stake

[dreamy creek]

[median summit]

How so?

[dreamy creek]

live wheel reaction:

[median summit]

Install cardsleeves. Blue sleeve knocks your discards down by 1 again

[eternal anchor]

1 in 6 chance to hit Wheel of Fortune. 1 in 7 chance to hit +20 Mult on lucky cards, 1 in 17 to hit $20

[gaunt folio]

Please no 😭

[raw loom]

Quick question does it matter if a joker is perishable and has expired in gold sticker runs ? Do I still get the sticker even if it's crossed out ?

[tranquil cargo]

you still get the sticker

[median summit]

You get another extra hand!

[dreamy creek]

you get it only on tuesdays

[gaunt folio]

Playing on mobile rn, so I couldn’t use the mod, and also I wouldn’t want to change my main playthrough anyways

[gaunt folio]

*extra discard

[hushed zealot]

Brainstorm or no?

[dim granite]

@viral raft ur getting touched

[eternal anchor]

A higher stake giving you an extra hand or discard would be weird though. Stakes are not jokers

[gaunt folio]

A good blue stake modifier could be something like “increases boss blind scaling after ante 1 by 15%” or something (I’m not a game designer clearly)

[white zodiac]

that's just purple

[eternal anchor]

this is going to make Purple Stake and higher even worse

[gaunt folio]

I can’t give suggestions though, because thunk undoubtedly is going to make a much more balanced change

[gaunt folio]

Probably

[uncut slate]

i think blue stake should make the game great again

[vestal fern]

Cavendish buff🔥

[midnight hornet]

my first orange stake win

[eternal anchor]

1 in 1,002 lmao

[gaunt folio]

I liked this one idea I saw kinda, which was to make blue stake perishable, orange rental, and then make gold stake increase the ante win requirement to ante 9

[uncut slate]

i think ante 8 is so well balanced already

[gaunt folio]

Yeah that’s why I said kinda

[uncut slate]

it really just filters the types of jokers you're allowed to use if you have to go farther

[eternal anchor]

Don't make gold stake do that 😭

[gaunt folio]

Genuinely the game is so hard to balance because of how delicate said balance is

[midnight hornet]

wee joker is awesome

[vestal fern]

Does a finisher appear i ante 9

[uncut slate]

i like the idea too but maybe i would have to see it in practice to know if i actually like it

[gaunt folio]

I think that would be the idea

[uncut slate]

ante 8 is just so impressively well balanced

[gaunt folio]

Instead of appearing in ante 8

[uncut slate]

it kinda blows my mind when i think about it

[gaunt folio]

How so?

[vestal fern]

your wee is huge

[hidden lance]

ante 7 lol

[uncut slate]

basically every joker in the game has a possible place in an ante 8 gold stake run

[eternal anchor]

choice of words

[gaunt folio]

That was the joke

[eternal anchor]

sherlock

[hidden lance]

deadass like zero plutos and my best scoring jiker was that common flush chip joker

[gaunt folio]

💔

In that scenario I go Pairs since it’s the next closest

[zinc karma]

Should i take blackboard instead of wrathful?

[cosmic sun]

I think an effect that shows up after a certain ante might be neat

[viral raft]

Hell naw

Ari YOU SUCK AT THIS GAME

[shell dagger]

blackboard doesn’t have synergy with juggler

but also blackboard with flushes especially on an unfixed deck isn’t good either

[zinc karma]

Hell yeah fuck black deck

Never touching ts anymore

[shell dagger]

nice

[zinc karma]

Thought i would score around 500k

[shell dagger]

throwback full skip on black deck gold stake is pretty impressive

[white zodiac]

popcorn sticker 🫶

[zinc karma]

Im tired of this deck tbh, but since i got blueprint i just said "why not"

And just did it

[zinc karma]

There are some jokers i already have with a gold sticker i thought would take way more time to get

Like the normal joker

Which i only have cuz i was on a easily wining build and he showed up as neg

🤔

[eternal anchor]

I had a white sticker on Joker for quite a while and then it became orange

[zinc karma]

Also expected more time to popcorn since it shows up early on in my runs

[cosmic sun]

Killing good jokers to make room for stickers 🔥

[zinc karma]

I didnt tbh

[zinc karma]

Which is fun

[zinc karma]

To do is definitely not on any of my dreams to get gold sticker

[shell dagger]

it’s not on your todo list

🤪

[zinc karma]

Just came back to test how far i could get with this goofy build and look whos there

[cosmic sun]

ez choice

[vestal fern]

rare aesthetic: boss reroll tag screws you over by making an otherwise difficult boss into an impossible boss

[cosmic sun]

ofc you get it a9 though 🗿

[vestal fern]

PEAK boss blind idea

Tortoise Shell

Divides mult by the amount of skips done this run (rounded down) if you haven't skipped any, does absolutely nothing

[tranquil cargo]

why punish an already weak mechanic?

[vestal fern]

actually i should make it so it destroys the fabric of the universe when blinds skipped are 0

[zinc karma]

Not ironically interesting

[zinc karma]

Anaglyph

[eternal anchor]

Finisher blind idea: -2 hand size
Not sure if Violet Vessel or this would be worse

[zinc karma]

Why not -3?

Much funnier

[vestal fern]

manacle if it hit the gym

[zinc karma]

And half of the life of the boss

[vestal fern]

half, life?

[eternal anchor]

just as VV is Wall if it hit the gym

[vestal fern]

Finisher blind idea

The Plant II

Fucking kills you if played hand contains a face card

[zinc karma]

Abandoned might be happy with that one

[steady tundra]

so i'm on a quest rn to white stake every deck and i have a question

should i work on unlocking every deck or should i white stake the decks i already have and THEN do the others

[zinc karma]

Get all of them first and then decide the order u wanna play

[tranquil cargo]

some of the unlocks involve winning certain high stakes anyway

[zinc karma]

Ah ye

This too

[final garden]

thank god for perkeo otherwise i wouldve lost

my winning hand had 3 red seal glass cards that wouldnt have existed if not for perkeo copying death

[marsh dove]

I just did white stake all of my decks then next stake and etc

[cosmic sun]

Unlock every deck but also stop to do higher stakes on one deck so you can learn

[marsh dove]

In order of stakes

[zinc karma]

With 2 extra hands?

[steady tundra]

i have yet to whitestake black, magic, nebula

ik i have to win with blackdeck but should i then move on to the stake unlocks or do nebula, magic, then whatever black unlocks THEN the other unlocks

[marsh dove]

By the time you get to gold stske you’re pretty decent at Balatro this way

[final garden]

well yea if i didnt have the perkeo i wouldnt have scored enough

[zinc karma]

I made the decks first by playing the ghost deck cuz its kinda fun

[final garden]

i was only scoring around 1-200k per two pair

[steady tundra]

abandoned so far is my favorite

[cosmic sun]

abandoned goat

[zinc karma]

Gross, but who am i to judge

(never played it)

[rotund silo]

Good day. I am new to this server. I purchased the game about 5 days ago and have played about 60 hours. I have yet to win a game. Closest I've come is to play ante 7 only to lose. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. I have 72% of the collection unlocked. I have red through black decks unlocked but can't get past there. I buy and sell jokers as better ones come. I'm still at base difficulty. I'm not playing seeded runs. Are there some tips to get me through completing one 'game'? I do skip blinds when I can get something 'free' and know that I can beat the next blind.

[zinc karma]

🤔

[minor portal]

new awesome deck that is a combination of the -1 hand size of black deck and 4 max jokers of painted deck. as a treat you start with a magic trick voucher

[steady tundra]

i was locked out and once bought smiley face on abandoned

worse part was i sold another joker to make space for it 😭

[zinc karma]

60 HOURS IN 5 DAYS?

[rotund silo]

Yes. I'm retired.

[tranquil cargo]

it sounds like you might be skipping too much

[final garden]

ive gotten about 100+ hours
in a couple months

[tranquil cargo]

a shop is usually better than a free joker tag

[final garden]

tho i usually only play for a like an hour or two each day

[steady tundra]

abandoned deck removes face cards

makes straights so much easier

[coarse silo]

Absolute crackhead build I just had

[zinc karma]

Well, do some runs, print it and show us here, someone will certainly help u

[zinc karma]

5 eternal

[vestal fern]

I was scrolling through gamejolt and found the fabled Undertale 3

starring Freddy Fazbear for some reason

[steady tundra]

even after all i've done i've forget how much progress i haven't made in this game

[left juniper]

Early on, especially when learning, try to limit the amount of skipping. Also if you're unsure just post what shops you get and people can normally tell you how to best spend your money

[vestal fern]

I was like "hell yeah let's download that shit' but it was just a mirage, when i clicked the page was apparently deleted

[coarse silo]

I don’t know how I got this lucky lmao

[vestal fern]

To this day, i'll eternally pursue the Undertale 3 starring Freddy Fazbear

[rotund silo]

Ok thanks. My best hand was 51,408 and highest round was 19. But can't get past that.

[tranquil cargo]

if toby fox ever released a 3rd game, it'd probably be another anagram for undertale somehow

[rotund silo]

Ok thank you.

[tranquil cargo]

later dune, figured it out

pay me for that idea, toby

[left juniper]

Starring: Serial

[pale wolf]

someone needs to make this site for balatro
aka balatro calculator needs a page for this

[zinc karma]

I also recommend watch some videos of the game, this way u can learn about the economy and how to build your deck and jokers

[vestal fern]

gamejolt Is a weird place

[rotund silo]

I did try one when I was trying to learn the game because I couldn't find any instructions and had no clue how to proceed. I'll try one that I saw listed that talked about the best jokers for high scores - but still - isn't it all a random chance of getting good jokers?

[cosmic sun]

nah that advice on high scoring jokers only applies to endless runs which frankly do not teach much about the game. Here, I'll link a good guide for beginners

[pale wolf]

with enough income and careful play you can have enough chances and block certain things to have even more chances of seeing the things that improve runs

[zinc karma]

It is, but u can basically get profit from any joker in the game, u just need to know how to use it

[cosmic sun]

@rotund silo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atVF4VLHks4

[rotund silo]

Ok thank you. I will watch this.

[zinc karma]

I just noticed that your name is sunfish and i was thinking "tf fish is that" and get to search to know in my country it is called "peixe-lua", which is "moon fish"

[cosmic sun]

There is also Balatro Basics 2 and so on from the same channel if you want to follow that, Balatro University taught me a few things I would have not figured out as a new player.

[zinc karma]

🤔

[cosmic sun]

kinda cool I guess

Sunfish are just cool

Never let anyone tell you otherwise

[midnight hornet]

the place where the cards are is bugges and it wont go away

why it doin dat

i cant open the packs

awesome

[zinc karma]

Who need packs when u have madness?

[simple bronze]

this is gg

[lapis leaf]

Gay Jimbo meets a loving card sharp

[pale granite]

gay grimbo

[surreal spruce]

Gay

[simple bronze]

bruh

how do i lose

[tranquil cargo]

where'd your card sharp go?

[simple bronze]

i didn't take it

[lunar zealot]

I love Baseball Card

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[lapis leaf]

Bloodstone is Potential Joker

When you have it, you will never find Oops! All 6s, and vice versa

[white zodiac]

husband ‼️

[lunar zealot]

I love Baseball Card

[bronze linden]

potentially my best wee run to date (both at 1384 from an early invis)

[serene forge]

me too!!!!!

[tranquil cargo]

you know what goes great with baseball card?

...bloodstone

[serene forge]

true

kami would know that best case scenario for many uncommon Jokers is 1.5x bbc mult

[zinc karma]

Seems fun, but with hack would've been much funnier

[vapid nest]

What i need to do to get c+?

[fervent wolf]

Gold stake on all decks

[vapid nest]

Ty

[lunar zealot]

that's what im SAYING

[marsh dove]

Ante 7 eye

[lunar zealot]

a lot of uncommon jokers tend to be either esoteric or have bad niches

[vestal fern]

we are the jimblings please feed us

[lunar zealot]

seance is like

ehhhHH???

throwback is really mid

four fingers isn't too impactful in its niche

in that sense with bbc literally every uncommon is at least usable because it's free unconditional scoring

not to mention the fact that uncommons that already give scoring double down on that

bull

spare trousers

and don't get me started on hologram

[marsh dove]

Throwback is unbelievably bad

[vestal fern]

EVEN showman?

[marsh dove]

It’s crazy

[lunar zealot]

it's genuinely the perfect joker

i love bbc so much

it does so much

[vestal fern]

wait was showman even an uncommon

[marsh dove]

Ye

It’s also straight up detrimental most runs lol

Hate that guy

Great in endless though

[serene forge]

I hate Four Fingers

[zinc karma]

No hate in my four fingers here

[serene forge]

I hate Four Fingers

[zinc karma]

Mf

[tranquil cargo]

four fingers has a neat way of making straight flushes

[lunar zealot]

just play straights

[tranquil cargo]

4 card straight + 4 card flush = 5 card straight flush

[lunar zealot]

basically gimping your draws for no reason

strushes offer nothing that makes them a better option than just playing straights

[zinc karma]

I like four fingers with shortcut

[slow iris]

four scalers because why not

[lunar zealot]

that's 2 util jokers

[zinc karma]

Sadly its not a run i can do too often

[lunar zealot]

just use shortcut and replace ff with something more useful for straights

Like order or fpot

[bronze linden]

was looking for the hack the whole time honestly - had a paradolia sock for a while simply to scale faster

[zinc karma]

Huh

That seems pretty useful in many runs

And fun

But to 2 jokers to make the work of 1 is kinda sad

But cool

[bronze linden]

yeah it was nice but sold out for the blueprint and a seltzer to get through the ante 8 boss as it was violet vessel

[bronze linden]

yeah its a decent combo for retriggers but takes up so much room

[cosmic sun]

power of fat multers

[lunar zealot]

dies to vv

[simple bronze]

MANNNN

I NEED CREDIT CARD

[surreal spruce]

Wife!!

[lunar zealot]

girl

[long oxide]

lets go

[lunar zealot]

who takes a rental on ante 3

[stark karma]

would yall swap anything?

[surreal spruce]

Me

[stark karma]

swash is funny here

but hallucination is big value

[surreal spruce]

Swash is ass here

What

[stark karma]

also burnt is great for photochad

[stark karma]

can you read?

[surreal spruce]

Burnt is > holo

[stark karma]

I would learn

[serene forge]

the only reason to run strushes is to be silly

[surreal spruce]

What’s funny about throwing a run?

[stark karma]

hallucination is money tho

[serene forge]

kill photo for burned jonkler

[stark karma]

lmao

okay I'll ditch hallucination cuz my levels are ass

honestly maybe gift card goes

[pale wolf]

NOTHING! there is NOTHING funny about NOT WINNING

WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING, YOU LOST

[serene forge]

I hate Photograph

[somber charm]

Anybody got any tips for black deck

[tranquil cargo]

looks like we found the real joker

[pale wolf]

photograph is good in 1/20th of runs

[serene forge]

photograph is a nepo hire

[lunar zealot]

We folded like a cheap suit!

[pale wolf]

chad is privileged

[lunar zealot]

I'm literally a fool, what's your excuse?

[tranquil cargo]

don't be afraid to take a desperate early game eternal with black deck, like jolly joker or riff-raff

[lunar zealot]

Maybe Go Fish is more our speed...

[serene forge]

ante 1 eternal riff is just good in general

[somber charm]

Good thing I bet against you

[lunar zealot]

Looks like the joke's on us!

You know what they say, the house always wins!

[pale wolf]

desperate choices such as
early riff raff

[somber charm]

Nah the plant always wins

[serene forge]

i think they should make it so judgment can make eternal rentals

[tranquil cargo]

that would make it unusable on black stake+

[pale wolf]

I think the suggestion someone had of having judgment work like wheel if you don't have enough space, but it still can generate a negative Joker, is funny

[somber charm]

W blue stale idea right next to blue stake adding pinned jokers

[tranquil cargo]

I've dealt with pinned jokers, they're sometimes obstructive but usually not

[sly bolt]

hello chat I'm pretty new to the game, how do I unlock the scribbled joker?

[lunar zealot]

i wish the tutorial seed was actually scripted to give jimbo empress on ante 1 small blind shop

[pale wolf]

you have to spill coffee on your device while using certificate or business card

[lunar zealot]

that would be peak

[sly bolt]

:<

[lunar zealot]

i believe as of rn the seed gives empress + gift card

[somber charm]

So is your c++ not completion ++

[lunar zealot]

so jimbo only appears during the tutorial

[pale wolf]

they like coding

[sly bolt]

yes I'm trying to learn C++

[somber charm]

Ahh w

[stark karma]

got a photochad shop and midasvamp shop in the same run (combo appearing on the same screen)

[serene forge]

you mean the used napkin

[sly bolt]

idk the name

it looks like a tissue with scribbles on it

[somber charm]

Smudge joker?

[pale wolf]

yea they mean black board

[viral raft]

I hate erratic deck

[sly bolt]

I ate erratic deck

😋

[pale wolf]

whats a ratic deck

[sly bolt]

yummy

[somber charm]

Erratic is amazing, I got gold sticker jimbo with it

[pale wolf]

is it better than chimken nunget

[somber charm]

Checkered deck is for the faint of heart

[viral raft]

Is just boring lol

[pale wolf]

jombo

[viral raft]

Atleast to me

[pale wolf]

good night j watch doc spectred

[viral raft]

Jombo

Dr spectral

Hey folks, Waffle here

[serene forge]

I hate Crafty Joker

[viral raft]

I hate erratic deck

[viral raft]

Tbh that joker is probably one of the worst type of jokers that gave chips because of a hand type

The best is the Straight or the Pair one tbh

[uneven viper]

Clutch of the century

tfw you forget you have Ceremonial Dagger on the final boss

[livid ridge]

yeah this was fun

i got the cryptid mod working finally

i decided to throw because i was getting tired of winning...

never thought id say that

[twin lantern]

AGHHHH

[late topaz]

tired of winning

[livid ridge]

no literally

[frank light]

needed a break from gold stake today

played some pretty good high score runs on white

[rustic aspen]

💀

[lunar zealot]

vv moment

[serene forge]

I hate Crimson Heart

[simple bronze]

this is ggs right?

[zinc willow]

Definetly not a regular, goes off rhe rails often here. Don't be a sour puss

[vocal rose]

yo this convo started at 1pm

[pure oasis]

who is going to leave this time?

[vocal rose]

it is NOT that serious to continue 😭

[simple bronze]

brainstrom

no good

[tranquil cargo]

as usual, showman has to be kicked out of his own show

[pure oasis]

yeah, schade

[steady cedar]

I simply quit my game after hitting the final

[glacial star]

how do I convince my friends to play balatro? they are very close minded towards games

[hearty warren]

i'd say business card go byebye tbh

[vestal fern]

I think we need to address the elephant in the room

[pale wolf]

tie them to a chair

[hearty warren]

zeba--

[vestal fern]

how am i supposed to know Mr DICKTHUNDER

[pale wolf]

hihi

[hearty warren]

+++

here you go i returned your +s

[pale wolf]

i have extra now

[hearty warren]

z+e+b+a

[pale wolf]

zbebabaezabebaz

i have come to play 1 blue deck run before bed

[pale wolf]

here is how it starts

[simple bronze]

ahaha this is ggs right

[pale wolf]

i think he is a very viable strat here but i am just not in the state of mind to handle rental vagglebond

then again

it seems more fun

[vestal fern]

jestrogen

estrogen for jesters

[slow iris]

shoot the moon synergy

[frank nymph]

is this a message???

[pale wolf]

poverty run

so unfair

if invis was active or i had 1 more dollar

I should be accounting for this and keeping in mind I want at least $10 in value

[lean spade]

3 tarots per hand

[soft trout]

idk why this would be a rare tho

[cursive lion]

invis?

[lean spade]

missing a lot of context

[wide dove]

you replied 8 hours after i said that

[cursive lion]

hope this provides context @lean spade

[wide dove]

if you're a ""regular"" then why didn't you reply sooner

[lean spade]

still missing a pretty key element

[cursive lion]

is it the score?

[lean spade]

the deck

[cursive lion]

oh

ghost deck

used the hex on hack

[trail gate]

I have a full deck of polychrome steel red seel kings, 2 brainstorms and a blueprint with sock and buskin and idol. How should i be copying my jokers to get the most score while i try and find baron and mime

is it 2 on idol 1 on sock?

cause red seal gives a retrigger

[vocal rose]

just send a screenshot

[lean spade]

think you can ditch the boots?

[cursive lion]

i was thinking that too

[plain salmon]

if only baron wouldve shown his stupid face

[vocal rose]

this is good

also steels?

why steel

[trail gate]

I have cryptid being copied by perkeos atm just looking to find baron and mime for naninf

[vocal rose]

ohhh

[plain salmon]

i had a bunch of gold but i needed the score BADLY

[vocal rose]

idol to pivot into baron mime

[trail gate]

yea

i took idol just to survive long enough lmao

haven't found either yet

[plain salmon]

if you find baron can you let him know i hate him

[trail gate]

lmao do I sell a perkeo for an invisble joker

just rolled into another one 😭

[cursive lion]

shouldve gotten more cryptids

[plain salmon]

32x cat, nice

[cursive lion]

the cat is well fed and that is all that matters

[plain salmon]

we love a chubby cat

[lean spade]

that build probably caps around there anyways but its a really fun one

[plain salmon]

im still so distraught over the lack of baron in my last run

[lean spade]

u died?

[plain salmon]

yeah i was a WHOLE E OFF

[lean spade]

dang, that 10,000,000x would have been nice

[unborn cliff]

so just play another hand to score however many more e's

[lean spade]

youd have to play e hands

e1 hands

[plain salmon]

e1 hands

if i got baron that run wouldve lasted so much longer and its 3am so i guess thats an upside

[lean spade]

next run nane

[plain salmon]

100%

[trail gate]

Too early to pivot?

[lean spade]

not at all

too late maybe

[trail gate]

I can survive a couple more antes without idol

issue is sock is negative

so to fully pivot into the baron when i get it i'd have to sell perkeo

[lean spade]

nat?

[trail gate]

unfortunately not

[plain salmon]

do you think getting rid of a perkeo is worth?

[lean spade]

oh thats a problem but you have perk so you could make it

[unborn cliff]

show me your deck

[trail gate]

because of ecto i have a 6 card hand rn

[unborn cliff]

pivot bro

[unborn cliff]

those who cryptid

[plain salmon]

100% pivot

[trail gate]

and just use cryptids to survive without idol?

[unborn cliff]

you generate 5 cryptids per round using 1 for handsize is fine

[fading dome]

Yo use the new wiki for that btw, https://balatrowiki.org/w/Guide:_Activation_Sequence

[lean spade]

dont get rid of idol until you have baron and some high card planets

[cursive lion]

where does the "WHAT IS BALATRO" come from like from the website or something

[plain salmon]

oh yeah whats your high card level at?

[trail gate]

I could try copy high card for a few rounds

[wide dove]

also you fucking spelled definitely wrong

[lean spade]

thats a hard one to spell

[cursive lion]

i put a spell on you

[plain salmon]

i think potentially you take mime for a perkeo

[trail gate]

Either way if i throw this run it's only my own fault. Took me too long to fix my deck and also didn't get enough levels

Yea i think i'll sell perkeo

staying alive for an extra couple antes beats losing with 20 extra cryptids

[plain salmon]

youll still have one anyway

[wide dove]

maybe if they were a regular in english class they'd get it right

[cursive lion]

it aint that deep

[wide dove]

it is that deep

🙏

[cursive lion]

also there is a possiblity that they arent a native speaker

[plain salmon]

NOTHING is that deep

[lean spade]

no one ever taught me how to spell it, in fact i dont think i ever was taught spelling past like kindergarden

you just learn through reading i gues

[sharp orchid]

guess* /j

[plain salmon]

lmfao

[fading dome]

Maybe they live in a country where they don't have English class man. Be respectful

[trail gate]

this is bait right LMAO

[plain salmon]

nah take it

no harm no foul

[lean spade]

its essential for multiple reasons

[plain salmon]

if youve got the money theres no reason not to

could save you longterm

[cursive lion]

@wide dove honestly you don't sound like a 😐

[sharp orchid]

But maybe it's the non-native speakers who would be stricter in their spelling because of all those damned English exams

Source: me

[plain salmon]

i once did an observatory perkeo flush five build, it was weird

[cursive lion]

you sound more like a 😡

[plain salmon]

not flush five

[trail gate]

tbf pivot to glass wouldn't be too hard

[plain salmon]

flush house

[trail gate]

but i think it's too late to get naninf with observatory isn't it?

[wide dove]

people pmo

[plain salmon]

yeah probably

i only have 120 hours on the game so idk all the ins and outs yet

[north schooner]

(assuming no other jokers)

[cursive lion]

ts pmo 🥀

[plain salmon]

im always taking a shop 1 banana unless its rental and im on a deck that isnt good for econ like black deck

[north schooner]

whoop, I should have had a "sell it before next small blind" option

[sharp orchid]

I'm trying to do C++, are there any tips now I'm at 131/150? Currently I'm only playing Yellow Deck and still the win rate does not look great (about 50-50). I might have been too fixated on getting the gold stickers, sometimes if there's an eternal xMult that would guarantee a win but leaving just 1 space or even no space for a random useless joker I would not take it, and many times that cost me the game.

[simple bronze]

how can you sell it before next blind when you one shot the first blind?

[wide dove]

i feel like it'd just hurt you later, eco during the early game is important

[north schooner]

non-rental is an obvious choice tho

[plain salmon]

yeah for sure

15 mult is so good early

i did once have a banana reach anti 13 before it broke which was fun

[north schooner]

but also clearing round 2 and 3 in one hand is good for econ, so maybe it's worth it?

[plain salmon]

i feel like it depends what else you get in the round 2 and 3 shop

cause if youre getting no econ in those shops then youre not gonna be good

[simple bronze]

do i take eternal egg?

i can try to find a swash

or

i take pari

[sharp orchid]

[plain salmon]

probably not lol

[simple bronze]

and look for photo

[wide dove]

you can easily clear ante 1 with two 5 card hards

[north schooner]

If you can draw them. Not guaranteed.

[sharp orchid]

You can easily clear with 2 5-card hands but you can't easily get them though

[simple bronze]

you can clear ante 1 with 2 pair if you got banna

i guess i take egg

[north schooner]

Maybe you pick a suit and get stuck with four of them

[plain salmon]

im really struggling with black deck gold stake, its the only gold stake i havent beaten

[wide dove]

if you don't get a full house or a flush with your discards then idk start a new run

[north schooner]

Yeah it sucks

[sharp orchid]

But but but, what about win rate!

[plain salmon]

the -1 hand is single handedly the worst thing about the deck for sure

it makes so many jokers worse and gives you less econ

[north schooner]

If you're holding r, your opinion is irrelevant

[gusty python]

47 rounds and I never saw baron 😔

[plain salmon]

same thing JUST happened to me

but i died on 43

[gusty python]

oooof yeah

[wide dove]

wdym holding r

[plain salmon]

not a single baron in sight

i swear they only show up if youre doing a flush five run

[north schooner]

I think this has some helpful advice. It's been a while since I watched it in full. Also his gold stake streak videos on black deck might be good
https://youtu.be/UT_h5JIIDEk?si=6jNUTHDULOAVA9AW

[serene forge]

I hate Pareidolia

[plain salmon]

why?

[serene forge]

its bad

[trail gate]

it's a noob trap

[plain salmon]

i had 60 gold cards cause of it on a run i did yesterday

on painted deck

[wide dove]

nah it's got a niche
pareidolia and parking early game

[serene forge]

thats like one of two things its good for

[north schooner]

If you quit when luck doesn't go your way, then your advice doesn't help people who are trying to get better

[trail gate]

welp that's my money issues solved LMAOOO

[cosmic sun]

pareidoila is funny cause new players just keep it the entire game

[plain salmon]

damnnnn

[cosmic sun]

💀

[plain salmon]

good find

[trail gate]

this run might be recoverable

[cosmic sun]

green joker

green joker

[plain salmon]

take the grimbo

[trail gate]

is it worth using a few cryptids for more kings to discard?

[sharp orchid]

Skipping for a negative smh

[plain salmon]

grimbo is my favourite joker

i love a grimbo stuntman

[north schooner]

stopped clock

[nova mantle]

greatest ramen oat

[serene forge]

my favorite is when they complain about plant killing their run when their scoring is pareidolia with smiley and scary face 😭

[sharp orchid]

grimbo kinda gross when you've got purple seals or even blue seals in your deck

[cosmic sun]

good gross or bad gross

[sharp orchid]

bad gross

[north schooner]

Nah, choices are strength

[cosmic sun]

well it's one discard

[plain salmon]

thats why when i have a grimbo i dont take purples

[serene forge]

me when my gronkler has 32 mult on it instead of 33

[cosmic sun]

and grimbo is really good for blue seals if you use hands to draw

[north schooner]

way different than bus. Bus doesn't give you a choice

[sharp orchid]

worse than bus most of the time

[cosmic sun]

the scaling from grimbo is also crazy like bus so

[serene forge]

bus would be slightly worse if face cards were actually good

[plain salmon]

bus pareidolia run incoming

[sharp orchid]

plant: hello

[north schooner]

ugh what do I do here?

[plain salmon]

eternal bus and eternal pareidolia

[plain salmon]

sell the nana and reroll

[sharp orchid]

strugglebus challenge?

[plain salmon]

DONT ACTUALLY

[trail gate]

OMG IT'S HAPPENING

[cosmic sun]

gold card in standard pack

[steady tundra]

the dealer watching me play a 5 of a kind flush of aces

[plain salmon]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[trail gate]

okay but how do i not die lmao

this will score less than idol with a 6 hand size no?

[simple bronze]

mannn

what do i do

[plain salmon]

you get rid of idol, youll be playing a single card anyway right?

[simple bronze]

i reroll?

[trail gate]

yes

[north schooner]

My first thought was sell Mike and hex drivers license, but that's probably not enough to survive

[trail gate]

so 2 copies on baron 1 on mime right?

[north schooner]

Sell pareidolia

[cosmic sun]

might have to tank banana

[sharp orchid]

wdym pareidolia

[plain salmon]

yuh

[north schooner]

ivory knows what I mean

[cosmic sun]

idk if license is the play if it won't be active for a while and drop your money

[simple bronze]

what should i dooooo

[trail gate]

and i start using cryptids when i'll die

[north schooner]

yeah I don't think it is

[simple bronze]

i have moneyyy but no jokas

[plain salmon]

correct

[trail gate]

Am I just rolling for pluto now?

[plain salmon]

yeah

[sharp orchid]

buy out the shop, you'll be fine

[cosmic sun]

bro has money above interest cap and two packs

[cosmic sun]

you gotta be ragebaiting

[simple bronze]

but chad is eternal and photo is perishable

[sharp orchid]

looks inside

[simple bronze]

what do i dooo

[plain salmon]

i love chad

second favourite joker

[simple bronze]

chad is only good with photo

and photo is pherisaph

so chad is no good

[cosmic sun]

stop talking dawg

[sharp orchid]

what

[north schooner]

fucking hell

[sharp orchid]

i mean you probably are fine just with the misprint

[cosmic sun]

at this point poly the banana, dig for golds in those packs, then buy death

[cursive lion]

@plain salmon what do you think

[simple bronze]

so i guess i take jimbo

[cosmic sun]

smartest play you've made

[plain salmon]

i agree

[sharp orchid]

jimbo is also perishable and less useful

[simple bronze]

but i can sell it

[sharp orchid]

you need to find replacements anyway

[plain salmon]

jimbo is the most important joker in the game

[north schooner]

Ecto Mike

[simple bronze]

chad is etnerla and i don't think i'll find another photo

[plain salmon]

its common, you will

[sharp orchid]

yeah you'll probably roll into another one

[cosmic sun]

this the typa play the person asking for advice above you would do

[sharp orchid]

with the amount of money generation you have

also chad is good with lucky build

[north schooner]

this fucking run istg

[sharp orchid]

oops, all rental

[cosmic sun]

did you get devil cards

[north schooner]

It's just stringing me along at this point

[trail gate]

How do I do the maths to figure out how many cryptids i need for naninf?

[sharp orchid]

by... doing the math

[trail gate]

Idek where to start lmao

[sharp orchid]

what's your setup

[trail gate]

3 barons 2 mimes

red seal steel kings

[spring dragon]

What kind of goofy ass build is this bro 😭

[north schooner]

jesus tapdancing christ

[sharp orchid]

2mime+red+original=4triggers
3baron+steel=4multipliers
so 4*4=16 x1.5 for each card

[cosmic sun]

mime woulda hit if you found gold cards in those packs 🫦

[sharp orchid]

What's your base score for a high card?

[trail gate]

that's 1.5^16 right?

155x16 currently

I can tell you in a sec what it actually is after all the triggers before the steels kick in

[spring dragon]

Please don't use the lords name in vain ❤️

[north schooner]

you're welcome to do what you want to do

[spring dragon]

Just asking politely

[trail gate]

185x54

after a single king gets played

[spring dragon]

I agree this that statement

[sharp orchid]

185*54 is about 1e4, you'll need 1.8e308 for the naneinf, so 1.8e304 in your multipliers

[signal frigate]

There's a few people here I haven't seen before

[signal frigate]

The tried and true method is 70 to 80 cryptids

[trail gate]

so it's ((1.8e304 / 1.5^16) / 2) - 5

[spring dragon]

I gotta go to sleep my arms are hurting like shit

[sharp orchid]

log(1.8e304) / log(1.5) / 16 ~= 108

[trail gate]

108 cards

54 cryptids

that's hella doable

[signal frigate]

If you wanna hit it consistently though, you're gonna need 4 of either blueprint or brainstorm, enough money to keep rolling for Serpent using Retcon, burglar, a mime and baron, red seal steel kings and any other handsize increasing jokers (plus max handsize from vouchers)

[sharp orchid]

Maybe a couple more just for double safety

[trail gate]

I still haven't gotten second hand size voucher or extra joker voucher unfortunately

[signal frigate]

And then you just full skip to bossblinds to reroll them for serpent