🌱・seed-chat

[pallid saffron]

(And, of course, because you get nan for every subsequent roll of the RNG)

[tame hearth]

yeah i was looking at the source of luajit's prng and it looks like it just converts the bit pattern into a uint64_t and uses that as the real seed

[tame hearth]

is it known if there are any seeds where the 8 character portion of the seed hits nan somewhere within the seed itself?

oh this was known already didn't realize that

[compact dove]

How do you check the seed of your run?

[pallid saffron]

For an unseeded run, it only appears when you win or lose the run. For a seeded run, it also appears in the pause menu

If you are really curious you can make a copy of your run save and intentionally lose the run to find the seed, or wait until the run ends

[summer gull]

I know it's a long shot, but anyone know of a seed that's got observatory, baron, perkeo, and everything else that helps/copies those jokers?

[rugged stag]

fun seed

[keen lance]

7?!

[pseudo crater]

Ik this seed has been posted before but I had some fun with it and I realized too late that copying mime once was worth way more than an extra baron.

Trubadore and showman were the heros of this run. Trubadore allowed me to use an extra ectoplasm

[keen lance]

Where did you find the gas? I only got to having 2 bp with bloodstone was the best I saw, had several red seal steel kings but I couldn't beat up to even ante 8

[crude hollow]

TUKNMEW2 early bloodstone and an eternal blueprint in ante 1

if playing ghost deck, DO NOT USE THE ANKH THAT APPEARS IN ANTE 3 SHOP

"I'm literally a fool, what's your excuse?"

[onyx shard]

did you ankh into BP and died to no actual jokers

[rugged stag]

everything triggers 🤣

[visual obsidian]

Don’t forget to use deathcard

[rugged stag]

kinda good without that legendary guy that makes negative consumables

[gritty girder]

#1228225166098825276 message

Idk if it has brainstorm/Blueprint

It has brainstorm

[summer gull]

Looking for non experimental tho sadly. I'm on console

[gritty girder]

Oh

[jovial seal]

does anyone know if seeds are them same between the experimental patch and live or is it different

[rugged stag]

Mostly diffrent, i mean u get some of the "perks" from the seed but not the same thing

[tame hearth]

oh yeah one thing i've noticed, and this is probably known etc, etc

the game literally cannot generate a seed with an O in it

[proud harness]

yea O/I/S being treated as the same character as 0/1/5 in seeds is standard i think

[tame hearth]

interesting

It could actually generate a seed with an S in it it looks like

random_string() has a carveout for O but not for anything else

but maybe those will later get converted to an 0/1/5

and if i'm reading the code correctly it doesn't do any character replacement on seeds that contain O/I/S when loading them

[proud harness]

that is weird then

[rapid stirrup]

0 is translated to o

Because they look the same with the games font

That's the only one

[pallid saffron]

It could use any string as a seed theoretically

You could paste the entire game code as the seed and it wouldn’t cause any errors

[rapid stirrup]

Someone's gotta make that longer seeds mod

[tame hearth]

I mean, I'm talking about what random_string() would output when called the way it's called

oh uh

that's a bit wild

I think seeds generate 0 and not O?

oh never mind they will generate neither

[rapid stirrup]

So if u play random seed you can't get a seed with O in it?

Sad

[tame hearth]

yeah

Each character has a 30% chance of being 1-9, a 38.5% chance of being A-N, and a 31.5% chance of being P-Z

[zinc saffron]

is it possible to keep holding r to refresh erratic until you get a glitched seed like the all 10s or whatever?

[tame hearth]

two things: 1. every erratic glitched seed is going to be all 10s, because of the nature of the bug
2. there are not very many of those seeds

as an aside i'm currently doing a Turbo Bad Seed search and i hope i hit something

[zinc saffron]

turbo bad seed search?

[tame hearth]

yeah in this case i'm looking for seeds where length 15 rng types hit nan during the seed

[pallid saffron]

So oops all planet cards?

[zinc saffron]

found one with 9 9s, gonna hope i get cloud 9 lol

[tame hearth]

I think the effects of this would be: 10 of spades bug, shuffle is the same every time, some other stuff (i think every Standard pack opened in ante 0-9 would contain only enhanced cards)

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1221134148601778287

This one might be what you want? It 10 of spades and does all holo

[tame hearth]

oh huh

[pallid saffron]

And SomeDumDum also searched several other prefix lengths

[tame hearth]

the xeq one?

[mellow plaza]

this one doesn't have shuffle is the same, but there is one with that

[tame hearth]

oh yeah if it hits it on the 8th digit wouldn't that do shuffle is the same?

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1221492502096515276
There’s also this one with spectrals only on ghost deck

[tame hearth]

maybe i'm misunderstanding what's going on here but if it hits nan on the 8th digit that should cause the shuffle to repeat also, right

[pallid saffron]

the prefix for shuffle isn’t shuffle though, it’s something else like nr<ante> iirc

[tame hearth]

Ohhhhh

ah okay made a mistake there

[mellow plaza]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1222514724072198149 its this one

[pallid saffron]

There’s a bunch of prefixes in the Immolate source code if you want to test some more out

Also do be mindful there may be other things attached to just the base

[mellow plaza]

I've checked 1-12 and 25 length prefixes, couldn't find anything else interesting. If I want to find more it would probably be using an immolate filter like the buggy erratic one.

[pallid saffron]

Yeah, although those break in a more limited way (after the specific prefix - so it would only affect that and likely only for an ante)

[mellow plaza]

that's true, but that's our only option if there is an oops all rare jokers seed

I tried writing a filter at some point but the seed it found wasn't buggy so I'm pretty sure I did it wrong

[tame hearth]

does immolate have an option to do like, an "as-if" search

so like in my case I was searching 7 character prefixes but i was calculating the hash as if they were 15 characters (incorrectly in my case, because I was looking for an nr seed)...

[pallid saffron]

You could probably pass your input directly into pseudohash() to achieve something like that

Like do pseudohash(“garbage”+SEED) (but whatever equivalent I made for string concatenation

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1229891707793969265

[crude hollow]

VYYFUASE win with this one gold stake

[pseudo crater]

T9arc32p balatro university played on this seed with perkeo and observatory. Pretty sure he gets a decently early baron as well but I don't remember cuz I believe he sold it cuz he was going for all Cavendish plus observatory build

[pseudo crater]

AXWTQS9W posted this seed couple days ago but it was messed up because the s and 5 look very similar in balatro so the seed was wrong when I posted it here originally

Blueprint and brainstorm storm in first shop if you skip first two blinds

[crude hollow]

T4HD4Q3I dna which can be ankhed at a spectral pack, later brainstorm

dna is from initial spectral pack wraith

[empty tendon]

One time that I will only use so much planet cards

[pallid saffron]

using that seed unlocker mod, got a pretty cool run that gives you only rare jokers and jumbo spectral packs in ante 1-9

[zinc saffron]

do you have to type the entire thing including oops all rare?

[pallid saffron]

The Oops! All Rare part can be any set of characters as long as it is the same amount

123456789012345E9V9RQCR would also work

[zinc saffron]

its not even letting me add more than 8 digits?

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1229891707793969265
You need this mod

[zinc saffron]

ohhh my bad

[rapid stirrup]

lol nice

[elder scarab]

Double polycrome Vampire, Midas mask, Pareidolia - RUN 🌱: HWAAYNX6

[half steeple]

does a seed's shop slots change if you use a deck that affects shops instead of the one you originally used?

I played a seed on anaglyph on black stake and it had a mime in the first pack and an ankh in the second on the same shop, and then I rerolled a few times and found an invisible joker pretty quick, so I decided to die and try it on white stake on ghost deck. I've gone through several shops and haven't found the invisible

[cold sparrow]

Does anyone have a seed that could easily get me $400? It is the last joker I need for a complete set

[proud harness]

seeded runs dont get unlocks

[onyx shard]

you can't use seeds for that

[pallid saffron]

It affects the ordering of the items. Maybe the invis joker is the fifth joker in ante 1, but with ghost deck changing the card types you don’t have time to reach it with that deck, since there’s more non-joker cards in the shop

[alpine talon]

seems to be different on the current experimental build. blueprint and driverslicence. but still pretty cooked seed. got a perkeo, dna, and planeterium as the run continued. made it to ante 12 before a spades debuff killed my steel card duping

[half steeple]

I actually figured out that it was because I skpped for "rerolls start at 0" the first time. When you do that, it actually adds like 5 extra screens instead of just letting you reroll the normal screens, which is a little annoying because it meant it was impossible for me to get that invisible joker.

[pearl flame]

I found a seed with a soul spectral card at the very first arcana pack if someone wants to try it the seed is:J811VMU7

[sage ember]

How to change the game language?

[rough granite]

can someone find a seed with early perkeo and then an early red seal poly card or if it exists, reply to me to it

[tame hearth]

idk where to put this exactly but I did run the effective RNG balatro uses through pracrand and feeding pseudoseed into math.random does test better than either pseudoseed or math.random does by itself. pseudoseed fails after 128KB/32000 iterations, math.random fails after 512KB/130000 iterations, and the combination fails after 24M/6 million iterations (about on par with xoroshiro128+)

[golden pier]

Anaglyph deck, save them til you get a nice money one you can skip x8 or something, I did it first time. Winning in 12 rounds or less is what I’m struggling with now

Anyone got any advice?

[crude hollow]

TA53HGMF on magic deck allows for 3 blue seal cards from a mega spectral pack, resulting in a level 35 flush by ante 8

[crude hollow]

FEAPGH7C perkeo

[frozen rain]

if we glitch spectrals to always be the same what will that same be

[crude hollow]

invis joker is there as well as sixth sense

farther on

[rapid stirrup]

if you mean default spectral, it's incantation

[wispy bloom]

H3K9L3E2 found this seed where perkeo is in the first skip tag and blueprint is in the first shop of ante 2, first time posting hello

[tame hearth]

(nvm i had a bug in my code)

[modern ether]

Is this on experimental or regular released version

[whole jacinth]

Just found a double blueprint dna/hologram seed I had a lot of fun with

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1230587749028073502

[wispy bloom]

regular release

[frozen rain]

no like with the glitch. like the 10 of spades glitch.

[pallid saffron]

It’ll go into the reroll queue… and then it won’t be the same

The game puts The Soul and Black Hole in the same list but has separate logic for spawning them, so it’ll just reroll when it hits one of those

[frozen rain]

with ghost deck i think it'd keep being the same until two spectrals in the shop

[fathom glade]

https://tenor.com/view/planting-linus-van-pelt-woodstock-snoopy-growing-gif-22068832

so this is seed chat.

[lethal grove]

Got Yorick pretty early on so this run was so good

I don't think I'll make it through this ante so I'm taking a screenshot now

The seed is ACE (I just wanted to try it cause it's my nickname 😭)

So close 😭 (I just needed to pull my last 2 Aces)

Final stats :3

[flat harness]

double merry andy and yorick could be cool

ew

no

did you atcually at everyone

ok

nvm

[pure idol]

2E9X27IE using a bug with yorick where you obtain it on version 1.0.0n and use it on the beta for 5x mult for every 23 cards discarded
blueprint after showman on ante 11

[dim tusk]

are there any only aces seeds like the all 10 of spades seed?

[molten turtle]

nope

10 of spades is the only card it can happen with

[crude hollow]

FQ382E8E best on ghost deck, oops all 6s in first shop, ankh in a spectral pack

bloodstone is also there somewhere

[dark meteor]

K8HSRHEP Got a seed that has a first shop with Clearance Voucher, a Half Joker, and a spectral pack ouija that makes the whole stack queens. Second shop has a Zany Joker (hand contains 3oak) and both celestial packs have a Venus. Yellow deck and first two blinds gives you just enough to buy it all.

[wicked eagle]

4143N4EQ 5x triboulet. also has sock and buskin, cainio, and 3x polychrome bananas (lol)

[rapid stirrup]

That's a lot of tribs

[wicked eagle]

yeah it was a crazy run. if i had more time i'd spend some time and optimize it.

[dark meteor]

public beta: 965M24GA skip the first two blinds, beat the boss, free holographic riff-raff. Buffoon with business card and lusty; arcana has chariot, star, hermit, heiro, moon.
Can have three heiros at this point if the first skip took emporer for the heiro+tower, use heiro, then grab fool.

Riff raff gives holo credit card on next blind.

[stable musk]

Was there a scam bot?

[stable musk]

Holy

[gilded sage]

got a seed with a three wraiths very early on, will put it here when i get the chance

[gilded sage]

KNCQZ5U9, ghost deck

[compact garnet]

W8AA1TIW

[gilded sage]

PHGEMSJE ghost deck, have an early polychrome madness start

[lunar grove]

Moving on to endless

[prisma lichen]

is anyone on the new patch that i can find a seed for that new eye ball that gives tarot cards and i can use opps all 6s?

[prisma lichen]

nvm i got a good non seeded 8 ball magic deck run

[feral obsidian]

Z5VT25YM Canio + Chicot two souls one shop (1.0.0)

[prisma lichen]

Seed for 3 Yorick Jokers and new 8 ball run. The two extra Yorick came from invisible and there the new ones

[empty tendon]

Honestly one of the more fun runs cause I don’t think I do big mult jokers

Checkered btw

[hidden gust]

Do seeds work on modded versions of the game

[pallid saffron]

Yesn’t

Any modded content will modify what you get for the type of things it modifies

ex. a mod that adds legendary jokers will change the legendary jokers you get in runs, a mod that adds tarots will change the tarots you get in runs, etc.

The rest stays the same pretty much

[hidden gust]

This adds new jokers, packs, and a consumable card type

[pallid saffron]

Then those would all change

But something like the 10 of spades seed will still be the 10 of spades seed unless you add new ranks or suits to the deck

[whole jacinth]

I would love if someone could guide me on a op run

[hazy crane]

What are you looking for?

[lusty arch]

this is brainstorm shop 1 yorick shop 2

i'll be sure to post seed after lol

then invis joker

come on

[whole jacinth]

Like something to learn the concepts, fun to play and easy, i’ve played a couple of the OP seeds but since i have no idea how most of the jokers work, i dont get high scores

My most high score is 9million only xdd

[hazy crane]

Hmm, in that case I'd say just play unseeded runs with yellow deck and try out the different effects

But I can give you a seed if you have something in mind - maybe something with an early economy joker?

[lusty arch]

XB68LWSD

[blazing owl]

Watch balatro university, though if you are talking about high scores specifically and don’t want it learn about how to improve on deck building then just try and get a run with Barron and mime then get a lot of red seal steel kings

[crude hollow]

Z88TA8HN double burnt joker from mega spectral pack by choosing wraith and then ankh, ended up being able to almost 1 shot leaf by selling no jokers and having no scoring jokers (experimental patch)

[flat harness]

what did yorick get to

[lusty arch]

55x

[cyan ice]

I put in "banban" as a joke what the hell is going on-

(for context there was a bloodstone in one of the first shops with a spectral pack that had ecto-plasm)

[empty tendon]

This run felt way to easy and fast for no reason

Checker deck btw

[cerulean scroll]

U4271MBM early blue print

first shop

[whole jacinth]

Its hard to get baron xd

[lusty arch]

this seed starts off with double brainstorm but then i lost to unlucky draw order lol

used all discards and didn't draw a single diamons

[blazing owl]

Technically yes, though when yii get better at deck manipulation and can build a lot of red seal golds and purple seal cards to get a lot of money it isn’t that bad

[whole jacinth]

do u have a seed to practice? would apreciate it very much!!!!!

[blazing owl]

Personally I don’t really have an example of a seed but if you follow the basics of opening most packs to get purple or red seals then using tarots to delete the bad cards and clone/make good ones you can turn most seeds into really good runs

Try to have it so 2 out of 5 jokers are utility so basically jokers that will give you money or tarots

[lusty arch]

@real solstice i might have skipped first tag so 'first shop' is the second and second is third

but brainstorm was in a pack iirc and yorick in the tarot pack obviously

[real solstice]

thank you

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1226587975463211089

[lost orbit]

do seeds matter per deck?

[urban helm]

If anyone is interested in exploring a potential non-endless infinite hand seed, L4EFV deserves some exploration: Negative perkeo in first shop followed by immediate Ankh, Blueprint and Mime in Ante 2, Brainstorm around Ante 5, Cryptid in Ante 3 I believe (using Ghost Deck)

Didn't find a baron so I didn't get NanInf, but I also didn't optimize Temperance's and Fools and I've only tried it once, so it seems pretty possible to get a low round infinite hand

[rapid stirrup]

The seed sounds nice, although non endless nan e inf was already reached by (at least) 2 people on 2 different seeds

[pallid saffron]

Could be a new round record though

I know someone hit ante 7 naneinf but this could save a round or two maybe

[rapid stirrup]

Maybe

[urban helm]

that's what i was thinking, I'm still digging for better stuff though

[icy oak]

I just had my first really good seed - Stencil, Legendary, and a Wheel of Fortune that hits all in the first round iirc

I'm not sure how far someone who's actually good at the game can take it

in ante 3 or 4, Wheel of Fortune hits a second time so you can potentially have Polychrome Stencil AND Polychrome Yorick

[urban helm]

not a bad start here either...

[urban helm]

Ok so we're saying that Ante 6 naneinf would be WR?

because this is what I've got on my first try with this seed:

[frigid bluff]

I only JUST got the lucky gat after rerolling a little. Anyone think this would be a good seed to post?

[whole jacinth]

I found baron ante 4 and second mime ante 8

[urban helm]

Seed: 8PVWD - e95 on round 17, so close yet so far...

[feral obsidian]

First skip perkeo on 100 ... black gold is agony

[whole jacinth]

great seed

good to ante 20 on gold stake plasma

[blazing owl]

Does it have any -ante vouchers my run only had 1 and it was too late

Like if on my seed the -1 ante before ante 8 then I could have gotten it on 6 so a tie could be possible also you got your cryptid a whole ante earlier than I was able to

[urban helm]

yeah I think that's part of the problem with that seed, needs more -1 ante vouchers - I should probably start adding that as a parameter for the seeds I search

[blazing owl]

I still want to try and see what round I can get it to since rn 23 is the record

[urban helm]

was that you?

I'll keep working on finding us seeds that have potential, right now I'm starting by looking for perkeo seeds that spawn hieroglyph and petroglyph

[blazing owl]

Yea, I was able to find mine just randomly when spam resetting for 1st perkeo

[urban helm]

well done, I'm out here writing c++ code like a nerd

[blazing owl]

Yea I was a bit lucky

[urban helm]

I'm thinking the most important things besides hieroglyph/petroglyph are an early blueprint/brainstorm/invisible_j (maybe ankh), early cryptid, and pretty early mime and baron - anything else I should include?

[whole jacinth]

I would love to do an op seed in call with someone, i keep doing things wrong hahahahaha

[urban helm]

Balatro University was talking about reloading your saves so you can try different rerolls and whatnot - do you guys know how you find your save data on windows?

[blazing owl]

%appdata% then balatro then maybe some folder labeled 1

Not sure exactly but you need to go though there

When routing i recommend getting a save for the start of an ante and then one for the start of each shop/round

Then you spend all you money throughout the ante to see what is in the shop then when you find something write how many retooled it takes to get there then restart and spend as little as possible

[urban helm]

so do I duplicate the file at the bottom and delete if I want to go back?

[blazing owl]

Yea just throw it in a different folder

And make a note pad that looks something like this to make sure you remember everything

Also when routing a seed things like purple seals, and making your kings all gold before silver at the end is very important

On my run I had like 9 purple seal cards and only 4 steel cards since you don’t really need many

And things like immolate to clone very early or even temperance is also ideal since you can build very good Econ and get and extra like 10+ refills each ante

[urban helm]

so getting a medium and immolate is necessary to getting a wr you think?

[blazing owl]

Honestly purple seal probably just because you don’t want to hold on to death and charots at the least between rounds

And good for Econ with temperance and hermits

Though that’s what I’m best with so I do want to try out the seed you found, also the game only saves when you reroll shop, click next buttons, discard, play hand, and open packs so you can do stuff like sell invis joker and if it’s not what you want just leave to main menu and come back

[urban helm]

I think if you optimize 8PVWD for econ so you can find a mime, it has a chance at ante 6

actually it has a mime, but not enough cryptids early enough

[rapid stirrup]

If you're so interested, I made these simple savestates during the demo with windows cmd stuff, it's (probably) the best there is as of now, until someone creates savestates mod or they're officially added to the game
You unzip it and put it in the folder that's on your screenshot. During run, you click save state 1, then continue playing. When you need to load that state, you go to main menu, click load state 1, and only then open continue run menu. It should still work, though I didn't test it for the full game yet (didn't have the need)

[urban helm]

oh sick thanks!

[rapid stirrup]

should look like this

[faint ice]

is there a seed with like 2 or 3 oops all 6's? (if it sounds like a stupid question. it is, but oops is my fav joker)

[proven hollow]

Anyone else here do "pseudo daily" seeds? I like putting "DDMMYY" into the seed, todays being 210424

[rapid stirrup]

You can probably do full date with year being 2024

[proven hollow]

True, but that means a 20 is always in the seed for another 76 years

not that it really matters either way

[proven hollow]

pretty good run, but I screwed myself by not realising I entered The Mouth and that killed me

I could have easily beaten Ante 8

just need to wait 24 hours until tomorrows "daily"

[whole jacinth]

update on seed i gave yesterday

retried on white stake

got to ante 24

probably could go higher bc i found a 2nd ecto at ante 23

24 😮

thats insane

dont know how to route tho

[whole jacinth]

when i found the seed yesterday on gold

it was ante 20

[whole jacinth]

is there some tutorial on how to make a save state or whatever its called

also

this was on the beta

nvm

there is a tutorial right above

[whole jacinth]

naneinf ante 7.
Invis joker ante 3 after opening 5 wraith.

[whole jacinth]

damb

[urban helm]

Nice! Same seed as last night?

[mint kraken]

this is the second ante 7 nan inf i think

someone needs to do inf on plasma

i think it might be possible on ante 6 on plasma

[whole jacinth]

nan inf any percent speed run when?

[mint kraken]

real

[urban helm]

the problem is that it's harder to get cryptid if you're not using ghost deck

[whole jacinth]

would 6th sense or seance be better at that point

is my only question

[urban helm]

I can look into getting an early cryptid from sixth sense and seance in plasma though!

@whole jacinth the one problem with that seed is that there's no hieroglyph in the shops, but maybe it's worth seeing if there are any voucher tags?

[blazing owl]

it still is a better round than my run

when i get time i definetly want to try the seed out

[cursive mica]

How do i improve from here?

[blazing owl]

unless you already have them you should have am decent bit of purple seal cards and then just clone your red seal kings

use an ectoplasm is possible to

[cursive mica]

Ok thank you!

I actually just deleted a purple seal Ill have to find some more

[blazing owl]

basicaly the pregression should be like purple seals cards to get more gold cards then teh gold cards gives you money for good jokers then when you get good jokers you turn thoes gold cards into steel

so like around where you are at now should be mostly red seal golds if possible and then in like an ante or 2 is around when yuo turn them steel but you already have good jokers so you can do that now

[cursive mica]

Ok cool I've been trying to learn high score strategies so I appreciate the advice

[blazing owl]

also if you want to try for naneinf then you should use ghost deck then go for perkeo but rn you look like you are playing well enough to get there. you could also if you get perkeo use the moon voucher for a lot of high card planet cards instead of cloneing cryptids

[cursive mica]

Ill have to look into that cuz I would love to hit naneinf

[cursive mica]

This was as far as I could make it, thanks for the tips!

[whole jacinth]

is that seeded or unseeded

[whole jacinth]

and how many mimes barons blue prints and brainstorms do you have i cant from all the negatives

and finally

do you have dna

this is a very cool run i must admit tho, hopefully it ddoesnt seem that i'm being pesimistic

[white quail]

DVUN9Q75
polychrome perkaeo in first arcana
my friend managed to get naneinf

[edgy plinth]

triboulet first mega arcana pack, gold stake winner

[crude hollow]

8IPP3FXW chicot and canio, not very exciting but it is double legendaries

[cursive mica]

Hahah sorry I am just seeing this now, I finished with two Barons, a mime, two brainstorms and a blueprint, there were a couple of Dna's offered through out but I only used one for like 2 turns because I had found an invis and didn't want to duplicate the dna, wasn't even needed this run tbh

And yes it was seeded

The negatives weren't any good if u wanna run the seed I recommend black deck

5DNWYJNP

orginially from @arctic scaffold

Oh and keep your kings different suits cuz I ran into a couple suit debuffs before I got the boss reroll voucher

[wispy raptor]

LH9ZV8SF for Perkeo and Chicot in first two Skip packs, some other good cards in there but those are what stood out to me

[silver inlet]

7S86RHYC for a BP/BS cert + hologram combo at like, ante 6

[whole jacinth]

Only thing that i would do if i could(tho you were right for removing it when u got invis) is brainstorms and blueprints on dna essentially for extra hand size ergo more triggers

[torpid stirrup]

theres a negative dna in this run but i have a skill issue

[blazing owl]

was this on the beta pach?

[blazing owl]

how does this work?

[rapid stirrup]

you can read the cmd files, but it just copies the save.jkr to savestates folder

and loads it

[blazing owl]

ah then you just double click?

[rapid stirrup]

yea

[blazing owl]

alr thx

[rapid stirrup]

it's very basic, but yeah

[blazing owl]

nah its sick saves time on draging back and forth though folders

[rapid stirrup]

🫡

also these 2 files just change name

in case you forget which one did you load/save

[urban helm]

no this was on pre-patch

[whole jacinth]

Whats the furthest someone has gone without perkeo

For ne its currently ante 24

Me

[pallid saffron]

Ante 39 seeded has been done Perkeo less

[whole jacinth]

is that the nan inf ante?

[small bay]

does anyone have a seed with a bunch of clubs???? if so dm me it i'm trying to get the perfect seed for onyx

[distant mango]

M55XIA41 try this seed guys 😄

[blazing owl]

Oh yea btw when searching for seeds you also kinda need ante 3 criptid and/or the repeat jokers joker

[urban helm]

Yeah I’ve been including those that also find perkeo in the first two antes and hieroglyph, doesn’t find a lot of seeds though and there always seems to be something that doesn’t come in time, whether that’s baron, temperance or something else - that being said it could be just a skill issue

[pallid saffron]

Yes

[elfin parcel]

Has a seed been found for duping steel kings with red seals?

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1226587975463211089
You might like this one

[dusky torrent]

I just got a seed for a early DNA, Mime and Baron, wich took me to ante 11, but I'm bad at the game so I'm pretty sure someone can do batter than me (CK7P9HMZ)

It doesn't have a lot of spectral packs, but it does have a lot of planet and arcana, but because me econ was trash I only started buying than after ante 6

[rapid stirrup]

heh when

Ig it was plasma but still surprising, didn't see that one

[tacit frost]

For anyone who wants to have a fun bloodstone run, have this seed

J195EB9G

[crude hollow]

J3TW5T8C space joker in shop after ante 1 boss, eternal, ankh in shop if on ghost deck, perkeo also shows up, eternal baron and a regular mime also show at some point, blueprint appears but it was perishable

[worn sparrow]

does anyone know any erratic seed with a bunch of club cards? weird request but i want to try a build out in ideal conditions

[chrome patio]

can someone tell me where the first idol joker is in this seed U321EF6B
is there an easy way to find that? I rerolled literally 336 times, and don't recall seeing it even once

[rigid bone]

Fun canio seed with invisible joker

[pallid saffron]

#1226587975463211089 message

[whole jacinth]

ok it's done.
just had to copy ecto and more wraith.

[blazing owl]

sheesh what seed?

[whole jacinth]

L4EFV

[pallid saffron]

First round 18 naneinf, nice!

[mint kraken]

round 18 is crazy

imagine if that seed had heiro and petro

ante 4 inf

i wonder if this seed might be better than mine for earliest inf

[blazing owl]

is it on beta?

[whole jacinth]

no

[blazing owl]

when did you get the barron?

[whole jacinth]

ante 4. here's where everything is

[mellow summit]

i have a feeling that there's such a thing as too specific when it comes to a seed but i'll shoot my shot anyways: is there a seed that just has Ride the Bus early? i need it for a video

[mellow summit]

nevermind: M5J6RPGL - literally nothing special it's just ride the bus early, new patch
first shop in the guaranteed buffoon pack, ride the bus

not putting this in the forum because it's literally just for me getting ride the bus

i just know for a FACT someone's gonna want this at some point in the future

[dawn mauve]

do you guys have any seed with a really early polychrome card ?

[whole jacinth]

How do you make save states for routing

i like

dont understand computers

[urban helm]

Hey congrats on WR! Glad that seed worked out!

[sudden wagon]

Bro..... This guy just played balatro thrice and set a WR? Tf

Min maxing need to be nerfed

[mint kraken]

So optimizing gameplay should be nerfed? Do you realize how dumb that sounds

[torpid stirrup]

CY7E2ZNT

I lost btw

[summer solar]

SR1VFMXA - There is a Soul inside the Mega Arcana Pack that is given to you by skypping the first small blind, quick blueprint and temperance maybe there is something here. However I'm not a professional cooker like DrSpectred but I reach Ante 14 easily by doing a lot of mistake and not taken some great joker.
Hope you guys enjoy it !

[summer solar]

Huh ?!

[whole jacinth]

He played more than thrice

At least like 10 times

He got past blue stake

Cause he has plasma

Or if you believe he had a save with unlock all

He got to at least black stake

[whole jacinth]

So make the seeds partially random?

No

[molten badge]

They used to call him the gambling king, back in college

[crude hollow]

1 no
2 what do you even mean wr? the only wr he got was highest on HIS SEED (doesn't count for streamer seed challenge)
3 most of the hardest parts of the run were pathed out meticulously by anonjolteon over the course of many days, so no, he did NOT 'play thrice', he (after having played the game off stream for a lot of time) used a plan concocted over many sessions
4 what do you even mean by nerfed? that makes literally no sense

[opal cosmos]

Does using a seed invalidate achievement hunting?

[pallid saffron]

Yes

[whole jacinth]

so arums argument is even stupider

[manic cedar]

yeah like he beat... the one who did the legwork by 1 ante and 1 blind >.>

it was funny to fall asleep to though xP

WDDJFVAF - ##my 1st Reddeck W ~i havent gone back to look at anything yet~

[crude hollow]

ALWN6AZU big blind arcana skip has perkeo, and invis joker shows up at some point in ante 2 or 3

[sudden wagon]

You really realize how dumb it sound and still believe I said that seriously?

[torpid stirrup]

thats a prime example of damage control right there

[proven hollow]

I'm finding I've got way better runs using a "daily seed" like todays 250424

best hand wasnt that high, but it ended up being a pretty neat run. Got a polychrome Rough Gem + Brainstorm and started to rake in the cash once most of my deck was converted to diamonds

[distant roost]

they should just take min maxing out of the game

just turn it off

[pallid saffron]

Just disable seeds… and when your run is going too well just crash the game

[proven hollow]

minmaxxing is more of a personal thing, I get why people do it, but in the case of certain seeds, you get people who just give you a 50 step guide of exactly how to play that seed to reach e. That extent of minmaxxing feels a little silly (you might as well just install a mod that gives you 100,000 mult each hand)

[tame verge]

got into balatro recently and seen all the seed searching and strats and what not, are they all just people exploring seeds and seeing the shops? or are people actually rng manipulating to get those crazy seeds?

[proven hollow]

in any game, if your minmaxxing results in you just treating the game like an excel spreadsheet, that doesnt seem like theres much value there

[pallid saffron]

There is some RNG manipulation with reroll queues, but compared to other games it’s a little limited

[tame verge]

i see

[pallid saffron]

https://mathisfun0.github.io/The-Soul/
There’s tools like this to view a seed route though

And also search seeds

[tame verge]

interesting

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209513992519946250
If you’re curious about some of the crazy seeds, many come from searches with Immolate

Others are just a min-maxing battle (as you may have seen from streamers like RTGame playing seeds with their username) or other lucky finds

[tame verge]

huh yeah makes sense these tools exist

i thought of doing some silly tool that would read the balatro memory for the randomizer's seed and then be able to predict whatever happens in real time, assuming it's that easily predictable of rng

[pallid saffron]

If you can grab the seed from memory then something like The Soul should be able to do the job well

I hope ppl don’t backseat streamers with this (you can see the seed after ante 8)

[tame verge]

yeah i mean ppl would backseat kind of either way

i thought of even going as far as like, using it to predict what cards would come next

then it could predict what hands are actually available

if that's even possible

[proven hollow]

hardest challenge for balatro viewers is not telling the streamer to buy X joker (especially when that joker isnt even in the shop)

or "this is my favourite joker so you need to buy it, doesnt matter that your run doesnt favour that joker"

[mint kraken]

sometimes seeds are also a combo of people using the searcher/analyzer and optimizing the seed

the world record seed has been improved like 8 times since its been found its truly crazy

i think the first record with the seed was like e70k something and now its up to like e2.8m, theres alot of potential for improvement with skill in the game

[pallid saffron]

People reached unimaginable scores with that, yep

[mint kraken]

btw math you didnt update your sheet

[pallid saffron]

Oh let me do that quickly

[tame verge]

i'm sorry, e2.8 million?

[mint kraken]

you slacking math

[mint kraken]

yes xd

[tame verge]

good lord

[pallid saffron]

Send the pic Project666

[tame verge]

i was sure people will somewhat stop at naneif but i guess that makes sense

[mint kraken]

this is legit btw xd

[pallid saffron]

But related to that, I’d say that routing and running a seed feels a lot more like TASing then playing a run

[mint kraken]

i mean optimizing is just manual tasing xd

but people enjoy that

[tame verge]

balatro tas when

[pallid saffron]

TAS tools are in development actually

[mint kraken]

there is a balatro tas xd

[tame verge]

oh!

[pallid saffron]

There’s a mod that can replay inputs but not one that can record human inputs yet

[mint kraken]

#1224090711759130735

[tame verge]

man everything's been done already

[pallid saffron]

I plan on adding a logging system to my speedrun security/timer mod which will also allow saving inputs to be played back by Balatrobot

[mint kraken]

btw i plan on optimizing the filter thats used for these seeds so once 1.0.1 drops to stable you can expect improvements again to the record

thats if players are willing to run it

since i aint that good that ill be able to take a run that far

[pallid saffron]

Jeno47 and Trousers have really pushed the game to its limits, wouldn’t be surprised to see them go even further with a new seed

[mint kraken]

[tame verge]

also, how do people do mods? do people just like decompile balatro?

[pallid saffron]

#⚙・modding-general

[pallid saffron]

you cana lso see how much of this comes from optimizing a single seed

[mint kraken]

Trousers was just posting every improvement while I imagine jeno just holding out for the mega run

Only to get beaten again xd

[pallid saffron]

xd

[whole jacinth]

Yes i believe you were about to die on that hilll and decided you didnt wanna die

[whole jacinth]

Wat

Soooo many es

E's

Doesnt it cap out at 300 tho

[mint kraken]

It's a theoretical calculation

Based on how many king cards with barons and mimes and the Level of the hand

It's what the score would have been if playing these hands didn't crash the game

[pallid saffron]

Yes, this is what the calculation would be if the game’s numbers could handle it

[whole jacinth]

That sounds annoying af to calculate

[mint kraken]

Not really, I'm not too good with the math but math knows how to calculate it

I think he just plugs it into a desmos calculator and he gets the results

[whole jacinth]

Oh

Still annoying

Whats desmos's limit

Not as annoying though

[whole jacinth]

On that note

Whats the formula for ante scaling

[pallid saffron]

I forgot off the top of my head, can pull it up from the code later
But the first 8 ante values are preset, then it scales hyperexponentially

[whole jacinth]

tf is hyper exponentially

likex^t^t

[pallid saffron]

a bit faster than exponentially

[whole jacinth]

tetration?

no

[pallid saffron]

I think it’s something like x^t^1.2?

[whole jacinth]

not that fast

[pallid saffron]

That is way faster

[whole jacinth]

whats x and t tho

[pallid saffron]

x is some constant and t is ante

[whole jacinth]

ah

so more like

if we're being super math nerds

b^x^1.2

[pallid saffron]

#1184574232617828464 message

This post is pretty old but iirc something similar is what the game uses currently

[whole jacinth]

cwasy

any clue what k is

[whole jacinth]

also whats joker role

[pallid saffron]

It was given out during the demos to people localthunk found “cool”

[whole jacinth]

ah

[green notch]

I think it’s 100x then 1000x then 10000x and so on

[whole jacinth]

Per ante?

[green notch]

I think so

it might be 10x 100x 10000x 10000000x 100000000000x etc.

[whole jacinth]

So thats like k*((a-8)^(10^(a-8))

Ante=a

K is the blind on ante 8

Right?

No

Whatever

Its crazy

[bitter dagger]

12345 is actually a crazy seed on the erratic deck. You get trio early, then duplicate it with a spectral pack. Later on you get blueprint + brainstorm + invisible joker. I ended up getting rid of both trios for lucky cat and got oops all 6s and got up past x40 mult

[rough granite]

I just saw on the subreddit that there is a bug on beta right now where you can get a buffon pack in the first shop (on jokerless) which means you can get uncommon or even rare jokers can someone find a seed with negative baron in the starting buffoon pack?

[bleak kraken]

hello fellow seed enjoyers, ive got a quick mechanical question about queue RNG. i know that the shop and pack rng is dependant on the Ante youre on, but i dont know if that's also the case for other sources of randomness (Tarots that create stuff, Enhancement RNG, Jokers with probabilites, etc.). is there a list of what is and isnt Ante-based randomness?

[pallid saffron]

If you don’t know, it’s probably ante based. Things that aren’t used very often are the only remnants of non ante-based RNG

and legendary jokers in the new version

[bleak kraken]

wow, interesting. thanks

are card draws in a blind ante-based RNG or not then, for example?

[pallid saffron]

Ante-based

[bleak kraken]

kewl

what ISNT Ante based RNG then?

[pallid saffron]

not much lol

I think some small things like Ouija and Sigil RNG

[proud harness]

wheel rng isnt ante seeded is it

[rapid stirrup]

it isnt

lucky, glass, wheel, perkeo, invis, ouija, sigil, wheel, banana, cavendish, grim, incantation, familiar, space joker

I'd assume 8ball too but didn't check

[onyx turret]

SJWZGSBN - this was a great seed

[whole jacinth]

I thought they were round based

[pallid saffron]

Try skipping on a set seed :)

[whole jacinth]

I meant like

Previous rounds hands dont change the next rounds card order

[pallid saffron]

They don’t

[whole jacinth]

Oh ok

[pallid saffron]

But it’s still ante based instead of round based

[whole jacinth]

Did they in demo 1?

I remeber smth like that in a skootie speedrun set seed video

[pallid saffron]

Nothing was ante based in the first demo

[pallid saffron]

So the advice from that Skoottie vid for routing wouldn’t apply now

[whole jacinth]

well yeah ik that

[hidden python]

is there a way to see seed after missing the end screen?

[pallid saffron]

only in save files or by dying

[iron swan]

6TTB6X3W = 2 legendary plus Invisible joker seed

[devout current]

Hi, is there a good written resource for how seeded runs can be routed and optimized? I figured I don't want to reinvent the wheel.

[ashen crater]

I was exploring a seed yesterday on the experimental version and this morning something changed in the seed (was supposed to get a bloodstone early, now nowhere to be found). Was there an update or something?

[pallid saffron]

There’s like two tricks of the trade:

1. Saving copies of your save file in %AppData%/Balatro
2. Using a tool like this to take a look at the seed

[pallid saffron]

Yes

Thank Stuntman and Vampire balances for screwing you over

[ashen crater]

So is the seed dead?

How does it effect it? I’m very new to this.

(If there’s a faq anywhere that would be great)

[pallid saffron]

The way the RNG works any rarity balance change will affect the jokers generated

In the case of today’s patch:

• Generated uncommon and rare jokers will be different (the common pool wasn’t changed)
• joker stickers will be different (and still wait a bit, localthunk is patching a bug with their RNG as we speak)

[devout current]

Interesting, thank you

[pallid saffron]

Immolate lets you do more like looking at reroll queues, but I’ll be adding more features to The Soul over time

[ashen crater]

Thank you so much 🙂

[pallid saffron]

you're welcme

[crude hollow]

G2F9UUE2 play on ghost deck for a chance of double poly dna, use rare skip tag. glass red seal 6 in standard pack after boss

[warm token]

CSAFHM4T

Just got three legendary jokers with ghost deck, lost ante 13 was super fun

[rain forum]

FL31AJ77

got me through black stake

[elder crystal]

P116FIWV

You do get a late blood stone

i was committed to a spades build tho

[gentle grail]

Alright this is the stupidest seed i've ever come across 4KZFW1BF

[digital robin]

MI3FP2MT

You can get 4 polychrome dnas with ghost deck and the first standard pack has a poly red seal 5 of clubs

[feral flame]

3Y6H9N15

Yellodeck after 1st small blind w/ dna later in run

[craggy stump]

Do collection unlocks affect which jokers you see in seeded runs?

I mean like if you have the joker unlocked

can having a different collection that the preson who sent the seed affect if you get it

[pallid saffron]

Yes

[feral obsidian]

Is there any info somewhere for how tarot generation works? like is there a set sequence for the entite run generated by the seed that is walked along, with skips for repeats/soul when not in shop, is it done per ante? Are there separate queues for purple seal/hallucination/vagabond/cartomancer

[karmic wasp]

hey, how do you find what seed you're currently on? I just started a random run and would like to try it again.

[pallid saffron]

I should probably make a write up at some point, but the gist is everything is separate ante based queues

[pallid saffron]

You have to open the save with a save editor or end the run by winning or losing

[pallid saffron]

Oh and Soul is handled independently

[feral obsidian]

how is soul handled

[pallid saffron]

0.3% chance per tarot card generated only from packs

But separate system than the tarot queue

[feral obsidian]

ah so should just dump all my double tags on anaglyph magic if I'm trying to do it on old gold?

[pallid saffron]

More tarot packs mean more chances for The Soul

Open every Arcana and Spectral pack you can as well (Soul also appears in spectrals)

[feral obsidian]

if I have the room for the econ late game sure but old gold packs are so expensive late game

[pallid saffron]

Oh, you’re doing 1.0.0

Makes sense then

[feral obsidian]

yeah, waiting until 1.0.1 gets full released

[green coyote]

hi, mathisfun, you're the person who made immolate yeah? is it up to date for 1.01e?

[pallid saffron]

Yes with an asterisk

Next bugfix will change sticker RNG for packs

[green coyote]

ahh fun

another question, i know the analyzer is slow, but like, i cant seem to get it working at all? im not sure if this is the right place to ask questions however

[pallid saffron]

You’ll also have to download and replace the .cl files with those in the 1.0.1-exp branch on GitHub: https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Immolate/tree/1.0.1-exp

[pallid saffron]

It takes a really long time to build. I ported it to a website to make it much easier to use: https://mathisfun0.github.io/The-Soul/

[green coyote]

ah the thing is i just wanna look at the reroll queues lol

ill just tweak it so it goes faster i guess

been too long since ive looked at anything but python so i tried to avoid doing the work, thanks though!

[pallid saffron]

When I improve the UI the reroll queues will be included

[green coyote]

ah yeah i figured, thanks for the tools though! really appreciate your work

[pallid saffron]

yw

[gritty heath]

just curious but the seeded wr run on speedrundotcom

i get same jokers, but different hands. how do i get same starting hand. i downpatched

[pallid saffron]

That run utilized a bug in 1.0.0L that randomized the hands each time you opened the game

https://youtu.be/kFfwLqtzJig?si=31MjovJ5cg-mq1Xd
This seed works on 1.0.0n and is faster

There’s just a long queue of runs waiting to be validated so Speedrun.com isn’t the fastest seed as of now

[gritty heath]

i see thanks

[wheat granite]

immolate is fun

what do you guys think of my buffoon pack

[mint kraken]

We need baron and mime from a mega pack

[wheat granite]

ok

[mint kraken]

I wonder how much time would it take to find double negative though

Imagine

[wheat granite]

probably a while

i think ive had it running for like 30m so far and found maybe 20 seeds

this many

also some of them are probably jumbo packs cause im a lil stoopid

these seeds are all 1/2 negative

i think its 667x less likely for double negative

so like a couple days or so maybe

heres some good seed swith baron and mime

wait nevermind i screwed something up

lol

thats not baron mime!

heres a good one

lol wtf you direct draw quad 3s

easiest small blind of my life check

i guess also dna too XD

so soul CAN give me a negative legendaryu

Got it

[ember sundial]

is possibile to get a baron mime and dna in the shop? ahahhaa

[pallid saffron]

I mean just search for this and overstock

[wheat granite]

itd be a struggle to afford xd

[opaque glade]

baron run here, got 2 barons, blueprint, and brainstorm before ante 5
blue deck, red stake

[opaque glade]

Yo, this seed had a DNA and then 2 barons with blueprint, brainstorm, and a Mime might just be what you're looking for LOL

[ember sundial]

oh thx

[wheat granite]

😭

finally it was actually a mega buffoon instead of a regular one

round 1 perk bs bp seed!

[earnest crest]

Mildly interesting: PC4KUZMF ante 2 antimatter

[hoary plover]

You got the seed for that?

[mortal basin]

W3GUPNBI

[wheat granite]

VHSJFKY6

heres 5 more

i havent checked im like 90% sure they should work tho

[pallid saffron]

Love the one with OP in the name

[keen flower]

hey all! just looking for a royal flush to get the achive for discarding one

I've had plenty of god runs and beaten gold stake once but I always forget to discard a royal flush for the unlock and I kinda just want to check that off lol

any good seeds to get one on the first hand?

[pallid saffron]

You can’t get unlocks on seeded runs

[keen flower]

ah shit

[wheat granite]

use checkered deck anbd just reset until you can draw one, should only take a couple minutes or so

on a side note XHHR46T1 seems abosulutely nuts

i was checking for when observatory showed up and it said ante 9 and i was like "neat thats pretty reasonable" and i checked antimatter and it has ANTE 2 ANTIMATTER LMAO

[pallid saffron]

LMAO

[keen flower]

lmao ty just got it

always forget about checkered

[wheat granite]

problem is affording that, mega buffoon, and an arcana is impossible outside of yllw deck which is probably not very optimal

still really funny though

[keen flower]

I basically only use painted, anaglyph, and sometimes green

[wheat granite]

also shop contains jimbo and his son

[wheat granite]

most unusual decks in the game, interesting taste

[keen flower]

ty

painted is the one I've beaten gold on

it's so fun

[wheat granite]

it is pretty fun

you should try abandoned, its a lot more fun than it seems because like basically every build is easier to go into w/ the much smaller deck

[keen flower]

I played it a lot in the betas

I forget which beta it was in, first one I think?

[wheat granite]

its not actually a practical start but this screenshot is just immaculate

[molten turtle]

oh that is hot

[proud harness]

does ghost deck change the seeding for non-spectral consumables? on a seed where on every other deck shop 1 has hanged man but on ghost deck it has neptune

change is not reflected on mathisfun's seed searcher nvm i clicked green instead of ghost

[pallid saffron]

It changes the ordering, but not which ones appear

The first tarot will always be Hanged Man and the first planet will always be Neptune, but they may take more or less rerolls to reach

[proud harness]

i see

[feral obsidian]

Antimatter that early is absurd

[rapid stirrup]

burglar for money, 4-10 for scoring, and you can afford it by the end of ante 2 🫡

[feral obsidian]

13 hands is a lot of hands to get the 4-10 worth from for sure

[earnest crest]

Don't talk to me or my son ever again

[wheat granite]

real

[lean knoll]

do seeds in 1.0.0n carry over to the beta version? or will it be completely different?

[pallid saffron]

joker queues and stickers will be very different
most other things will be the same

oh yeah the first shop buffoon pack may affect if you can reach a pack in Ante 1

[lean knoll]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1234349068881235978 I just found this seed today ... will there still be a charm skip tag with a soul containing Perkeo in the beta version?

[pallid saffron]

you have a 1/5 chance for it to be Perkeo

[lean knoll]

so it will still have the soul, but the joker inside gets rerolled?

[pallid saffron]

Legendary joker RNG was completely changed

[lean knoll]

oh really I didn't know that

[pallid saffron]

it's nothing you'd notice unseeded but it was internally modified to make it easier to guarantee certain legendaries on Gold Stake for the collection

on the beta it gives Yorick :(

[lean knoll]

I didn't think the gold stake change would affect it on other stakes

[lean knoll]

that was a really cool find

oh well

[pallid saffron]

because of Localthunk's implementation, it does affect all stakes

[pallid saffron]

yorick got a buff at least

[lean knoll]

oh yeah new yorick is definitely better

[pallid saffron]

instead of forcing a spawn on Gold Stake, it'll search for a seed that would have that spawn first

[lean knoll]

I'm excited for the patch

[pallid saffron]

it'll be fun

[lean knoll]

I'm still trying to clear as many gold stakes on the current version as I can before the beta goes live. I've completed 7 of them including black deck & green deck. Now I'm doing zodiac & I think I'll move onto nebula next

I also completed all the challenges so I'm happy with that too. Jokerless likely gets easier with the buff to blue seal. Although my run gave me amber acorn as the final boss which meant it was free, I still managed to score over a million points on my best hand so I would've been fine even on violet vessel

[sage roost]

Maybe noob question but are seeds different across platforms? I’m on switch if that matters

[deep karma]

EARLY baron, double mime (invis joker), perkeo build YGB286Z3. Got cut short because I forgot to reroll the boss so if you're not an idiot like me - huge potential

[pallid saffron]

No

[whole jacinth]

why does the child cost more

[wheat granite]

cause thats wee joker and hes a rare

[green notch]

Children are expensive to take care of

[autumn sand]

Shrinkflation too real these days 🙄

[halcyon forum]

ZX5IEYBR Soul in ante 4 jumbo arcana (5th) and ante 5 jumbo arcana (first one) and ante 8 jumbo spectral has a soul (first pack) this this being my new personal best run unseeded

[wheat granite]

REAL

[lapis thistle]

yeah. In crisp packet its less crisps, more air, same or increased price

[cinder venture]

in 2069 all chip bags will be repurposed into air bags

[polar jungle]

dont use this discord often, but i just had a run with a really good seed with triple trib if anyone wants to try it out and maybe post in #1156061354076155944

U988WYV9

[long yoke]

Interesting run with trib and four blueprints but i think this can go way higher if anyone wants to mess with the seed

5YZ6Q13D

[fervent tree]

Two souls before Ante 3: Perkeo and then Triboulet. It also has an early Brainstorm and a late Blueprint, which was unfortunately made perishable by orange stake. Got me my first orange stake clear and my highest score so far. I built this into a Flush House deck but used Hearts because I was hoping to find Bloodstone. (I didn't.) This seed was giving me so many Moons and Worlds. But it hardly ever gave Strength. Sock and Buskin also didn't appear before I died, nor did Baron.

[pearl lotus]

If I use seeds, can't I unlock the locked jokers and planet cards?

Even though I just did the requested things, it was not unlocked.

[fervent tree]

You can only do unlocks and discoveries on unseeded runs.

That's why I'm personally not playing with seeds very much. I still have discoveries and unlocks still to do.

[pearl lotus]

Ok buddy Ty so much for answer

[pearl lotus]

Me2 same

[manic bluff]

got an interesting run on this random seed today: 7MX86B5B
had early midas mask and golden ticket for economy
also gave baron, mime, and 3 invisible jokers later on
ended up getting plenty of polychrome red seal steel kings and got e25
how rare is it to encounter seeds like this

[nocturne robin]

pretty rare

[spring rune]

BALATRO SEED # H3RWDD62
-- Played with Plasma Deck on Green Stake.

The Seed gives out 3 Invisible Jokers (I believe 2 in main shop, 1 in Buffoon Pack)
I used it for Flush House Build with Club K-Q-J

[gentle grail]

YSSWG3D2 Double polychrome tribulet ante 2 definitely can go to very high stakes, first polychrome tribulet in second shop arcana pack ankh for s cond is in ante 2 second shop, both baron and brainstorm seen before ante 8. Polychrome jack in ante 1 shop 3 and DNA seen in shop aswell died to ante 10 disable all face cards. Without reroll voucher can be probably be found in previous shops of taking every voucher

[feral obsidian]

B6P319UZ

I need to reroute this since I wasn't recording, but had a cavendish extinct on this seed. Had a blueprint somewhere as well but don't remember details.
early gros michel insta died then cavendish was in the mega skip small blind ante 2

played on 1.0.0 abandoned white stake

(will make a thread when I have route worked out)

cavendish dies sometime in ante 6, don't remember exactly when

[pallid saffron]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvyAtXB-ptrkRXhIxVQAWV9vhgumvx9YyVfjH5hFXb0/edit
Here’s a document describing Balatro’s hidden random elements

[rapid stirrup]

missing the consumable generators?

e.g. judgement/wraith/riff raff ante based

emperor

8ball, purple seal etc.

wait I'm blind it's at the start

[pallid saffron]

I also list non ante-based sources at the bottom

[rapid stirrup]

yea, I thought there would be list of all ante-based sources too

didn't realise it was already mentioned in first part of the doc

[pallid saffron]

Literally just Ctrl+F’d pseudoseed and looked which ones didn’t have an ante attached

[rapid stirrup]

I see

Yea it looks good

[vivid narwhal]

M9HNF3V9 has a double tag then an arcane. second arcane has a soul, wheel from emperor in first will hit. brainstorm ante 4, blueprint ante 5, bloodstone. didn't see too much else exciting but didn't roll very deep

[lyric lily]

fun seed recomendation to show the game to someone ?

[onyx ingot]

Looking for a seed with a flower pot in the first couple of shops, any way I could easily do this?

[feral obsidian]

@pallid saffron Do you have Omen Globe odds of spectral

[steady solar]

44UG6R4K Skip first blind for poly brainstorm, invisible joker later will dupe it

[spark orchid]

HF5TCSDU for burnt joker+blueprint+brainstorm, easily flush level70+ by ante 10

[stark helm]

RQ does anyone have a seed for ghost deck where Trance shows up early in the shop?

[fervent thicket]

I found a seed that you can get double Poly Perkeo and Baron around Ante 4. I purposely lost and copied the seed and have a doc that got what I could remember doing to get there. I think I may remembered wrong about a few things. But I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out what to do to get it everytime in this seed. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tW5NTBN4WOKdRSZs4WzwppCXK8vn2h7mm7d7UNULckI/edit?usp=sharing

Apologies if I am not much help, I am currently very tired and about to go to bed

[rapid stirrup]

You can use #1232562163273433088 to look ahead and see all items and packs for the seed

[fervent thicket]

Oh?

Thanks!

[rapid stirrup]

You're welcome

[fervent thicket]

This is still confusing lmao, I am more lost now I think

[rapid stirrup]

You can lower parameters for cards per ante, those are unnecessarily high

But other than that, what would be confusing

[fervent thicket]

Just trying to find out how I got myself to that point

having two perkeos with poly

[rapid stirrup]

Well if it was ghost deck, specify in parameters

Otherwise look for spectral packs with ankh and hex

Well, also you want to ctrl+F and find which pack gives The Soul

[fervent thicket]

I know which one gives the soul, I just havent been able to find the ankh the same way I did last time

wait, found it

just now have to navigate myself there

[rapid stirrup]

If you can't find something, sometimes it could be because of "reroll queue", basically if you have a spectral "on screen", so in shop or in consumable slot, it will make it so any new appearing instances (e.g. spectral cards in spectral pack that you open) will get replaced on a different spectral.
This applies to all jokers and consumables

[fervent thicket]

oh

oki

[fervent thicket]

Well, we got here. idk if I should go for infinite point hand

[shut moon]

well this is a fun seed, FDH4SR2Q

[fresh siren]

My understanding is that the boss blind roll is also a queue, similar to jokers, tarot cards, etc., where each ante has its own boss blind queue, with some added caveats:

• Certain boss blinds can't appear before certain antes
• Certain boss blinds can't appear in certain challenges
• Finisher boss blinds (ante is a non-zero multiple of eight) pull from a separate queue

Is this correct?

If so, is it possible to use a tool such as https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1232562163273433088 to show what happens when a boss is rerolled for an Ante, and/or if a boss is faced twice (due to using hieroglyph/petroglyph)?

Similarly, is it possible to see what tags will appear on hieroglyph/petroglyph use, and what vouchers will appear in these scenarios (or on use of the voucher tag)?

Essentially, I'm wanting to be able to play out hypothetical scenarios on a specific seed without having to actually obtain the money in-game to do the rerolls first. (I'm willing to do the work on it myself, of course, and the text output is amazing for the shop! I'm just worried specifically about the voucher/boss issue at the moment.)

For example, I have a specific seed that died due to the fact I was relying on bloodstone retriggering and I had The Head appear, with no Director's Cut. I'm wondering if I missed Director's Cut or if I could have forced it to appear through tag use, etc. However, I'm having issues when running the seed through https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1232562163273433088 because I'm not seeing The Head appear in Ante 10 (when it did for me) and I think it may have been due to use of Hieroglyph? Similarly, analyzing the seed shows no Director's Cut in the first 16 antes but I'm wondering if perhaps collecting a few voucher tags (perhaps even doubled) could have forced it to appear.

Additionally, I'm wondering if and how I could use the output of this tool to know which tarot cards will be spawned in a specific scenario (e.g. when using the emperor, or when triggering a purple seal).

[pallid saffron]

A few things:

• boss RNG is not ante-based but does follow those restrictions you mention, so hieroglyph will mess with it
• I’m working on an overhaul for The Soul that will let you do the things you want. For now you can use https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209513992519946250 to find this. There’s already a built-in filter for tarot queues like you asked (Perkeo analyzer) and you should be able to update the regular analyzer per round to show four tags per ante, and a more specific filter to figure out the boss rolls after using Hieroglyph

I don’t want to add a bunch of specific options into The Soul as it is now so most of your requests will probably come with the UI overhaul that will take me quite some time to make. I will add a few more tweaks pretty soon to make it more in line with Immolate’s analyzer (things like reroll queues and outputs from tarots that spawn naturally)

[fresh siren]

Thank you for the quick replies!

• I'll have to wait until a different time to be able to use Immolate, which is fair (I don't have access to install those things on a work computer). I had discounted using Immolate for this as I already have the seed in question (I encountered it during a random run), I didn't realize Immolate could also help with learning more about the existing seed.
• I didn't realize the Perkeo analyzer also showed Tarot card queues, that's handy. Does it also include which spectral cards are generated (e.g. from sixth sense or Seance)?
• Is there a way to predict which boss blinds will appear in which antes when using hieroglyph/petroglyph and/or director's cut? You say it's not ante-based, which makes sense, but it obviously follows some pattern (as it can be predicted which seed will give which blind if things aren't changed). Is this something in one of the immolate filters?
• The fact you're willing to even work on a UI overhaul, even if it's not going to come for a while, is amazing and thank you so much!

I'm new to seed analyzing - I understand lots of the basics, but I'm trying to understand more details, and reading this channel has been super helpful

Also, this document was super handy: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvyAtXB-ptrkRXhIxVQAWV9vhgumvx9YyVfjH5hFXb0/edit

Until I read it, I had (incorrectly!) assumed that the different ways to spawn the same type of card (e.g. tarot cards) shared the same queue in the same ante. Now I know that advancing the shop doesn't affect advancing the packs, etc.

[whole jacinth]

Any good seeds for plasma deck white stake?

[rapid stirrup]

Perkeo analyzer has everything that generates stuff

Actually it might have not been updated with blue seal and 8ball

Blue seal just needs to be removed from there tho

[whole jacinth]

Guys, whats the best plasma deck seed you had?

[fresh siren]

I honestly just need to probably take this seed (which has ante 1 hieroglyph) and play around with it in-game, and I feel like that could answer a lot of my questions about how things appear when an ante is repeated.

But I'm mostly just challenging myself to get as far as I can with this seed I got.

And I'm curious what types of things show up in Ante 0 queues... 🤔

[pallid saffron]

Thank you very much! It’s not in a filter but if you call the next boss function in Immolate, you should be able to use it to match Balatro’s output

[rapid stirrup]

I don't save my seeds, so can't help you, but #1156061354076155944 probably has a few

[pallid saffron]

If an ante is repeated it’ll just go deeper into the same ante’s queues. Ante 0 has its own queues

[fresh siren]

Good to know, I'll play around with that later.

Do you happen to know if a voucher tag and a director's cut reroll give the same result for next_boss?

[pallid saffron]

Voucher tags are different, but directors cut should just be like calling next_boss again

[fresh siren]

Ah, makes sense.

And The Soul website, as it currently stands, only shows the boss/voucher/tag/packs that you'd get in a normal non-glyph playthrough, but each of those have their own queue that continues?

[pallid saffron]

Yep

[fresh siren]

how do tags work then? Is it possible to predict which voucher will appear through use of a tag?

[pallid saffron]

Yes

I have next_voucher_tag or something as a function, not 100% sure if it’s accurate though

I don’t think it was properly tested in Immolate

[fresh siren]

And if I get two voucher tags (through use of the double tag), it would just essentially call that twice?

(this is amazingly helpful, by the way!)

This also explains why the seed output from The Soul was so wrong compared to what happened when I actually played - the very early use of Hieroglyph threw off the boss blinds

[pallid saffron]

Yes

[fresh siren]

I'm still shocked to have encountered a "wild" seed with both blueprint and brainstorm in the top 8 shop queue of ante 3

Another question I have (but no pressure to answer!)

I played on orange stake, which has perishable and eternal jokers.

If I played the same seed on white stake, would the same jokers appear in the same order, just without the eternal/perishable markers? And if I ran the same seed through gold stake, it would just add rental to some of these same jokers that appeared?

[pallid saffron]

Yes, those stakes only affect the stickers

Even Gold stake runs won’t change your legendary jokers compared to a regular run

[fresh siren]

So when doing specific seed routing, the only reason to use one specific stake over another would generally be if the stickers changed the logic (e.g. having eternal to avoid negative consequences of hex)?

[pallid saffron]

Yes

Sometimes Eternal jokers are beneficial, like in the high score record where they are used to dupe hundreds of jokers

[fresh siren]

Yeah, I've seen some of those runs

And while I don't think this seed could compete with those, I do think that I could play slightly differently in ways that help - there were at least three times I would have used one spectral card but didn't or chose another due to the fact I couldn't afford to lose my hanging chad (which is what the run centered around). But I see an eternal hanging chad would have appeared in ante 8.....

I don't know what the current meta is like, but retriggering the retriggers (blueprint/brainstorm on hanging chad gives a card seven plays) on a card with a gold seal was more than enough of a money generator for me, creating the first game ever where I could reroll the queue freely

Another question: you said the voucher tag pulls up its next voucher from different code than next boss does. Is the same true for rare tags? i.e. if I take a rare tag, it would pull from a separate queue compared to the shop/judgement/buffoon queues?

[rapid stirrup]

Yes

There is a functionality in immolate to check that

[fresh siren]

Sounds like I'm going to have to customize Immolate to check what I want to see here, which is fine

I essentially want to make a project out of routing this specific seed to get as far as I can, possibly getting to ante 16 (or beyond!) for my first time. It's just that the early Hieroglyph and use of tags (e.g. rare) makes it so using The Soul alone is not enough for me to route it

Are there specific jokers that cannot appear in specific antes (like is the case for boss blinds and tags), or can any joker appear in any ante if you get lucky?

[rapid stirrup]

Nope, any jokers can appear at any point, for the exception of those mentioned in the rng breakdown doc

E.g. Lucky cat, Stone joker etc

[fresh siren]

Makes sense

I think I ended up getting some of my engine-generating jokers in ante 0, so I was curious

it's crazy just how many different routes one could take with a single seed

For example, using seance to get a spectral card that could turn out to be Ankh, which could be just insane

[fresh siren]

perkeo analyzer having everything that generates stuff - this includes grim/familiar/incantation, right?

[pallid saffron]

Not the spectrals yet

[fresh siren]

The more I look into just this one seed, the more I realize how insane the work you've already put into both "The Soul" and "Immolate" is.

Thanks a ton, @pallid saffron

[pallid saffron]

You’re welcome!

[fresh siren]

Am I correct in assuming that the tags that are forbidden in ante 1 are also forbidden in ante 0?

I looked in the code and found that yes, I am correct.

However, the way it's coded makes me wonder something else. If someone enters Ante 2 and then Hieroglyphs back to Ante 1, are the Ante 2 unlocks (tags but also blinds, etc.) still unlocked? (https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Immolate/blob/eecbb9bb8fb00ec79f8c407ad3a83213429b3a55/lib/instance.cl#L301 seems to indicate the answer would be yes)

[pallid saffron]

Based on Balatro’s code I would guess yes as well

[deep grotto]

Are there any hardcoded seeds?

[pallid saffron]

TUTORIAL seed but only when you play the tutorial

that’s it

[weak blaze]

does anyone have a seed w all four suit rocks jokers?

[vivid narwhal]

I often wonder if there are truly impossible seeds or I'm just bad 🙂 (I don't look at seed list or reload a save very often)

[fresh siren]

A question about the reroll queues:

My understanding is that if a specific item is locked (for example, I'm holding a fool and a fool would have appeared in the shop), a reroll queue is generated for that item/source/ante combo (e.g. Reroll Queue 1 - Ante 3 - Tarot). Each normal queue that exists for an ante also has reroll queues (as many as needed until an item is found)

Now, let's say the locked item is a joker that is not spawned by a rarity tag. For example, let's say the shop would have spawned The Fool, but I already have The Fool and no Showman. My question is this: is the new replacement joker for The Fool guaranteed to be of the same rarity as the one that couldn't be replaced (common in this example)? Does that mean that essentially, each rarity has its own reroll queue?

[pallid saffron]

With something like gold stake + black deck… probably

[pallid saffron]

Each rarity has its own reroll queue

Even without tag shenanigans

[fresh siren]

So each reroll queue is uniquely identified by a combination of all of:

• ante
• Type (joker, etc.)
• Source (shop, judgement, etc.)
• Rarity

and then there are potentially multiple reroll queues of each of those if needed?

[pallid saffron]

Yes

Each queue is identified by a unique string so there can be infinitely many

[fresh siren]

You say "without tag shenanigans" - does that mean that if a rare joker is needed in the shop, it'd pull from the same reroll queue as a rare tag would?

or are those separate?

[pallid saffron]

It would pull from the shop rare reroll queue, not the tag rare reroll queue

[fresh siren]

got it

[pallid saffron]

But it would still always be a rare joker

[fresh siren]

so rerolls never change the rarity, only the initial choice of joker (shop roll, judgement use, etc.)

Sorry for asking so many questions, this is fascinating

Do the pack tags (e.g. Ethereal) use the same queue as the other pack types in the same ante? For example, if I use a spectral tag in Ante 2, but see a spectral pack in the next shop (same ante), are those using the same queue?

I ask because technically the tag is spawning a pack, right?

[pallid saffron]

Yes

[fresh siren]

I'm trying to fully enumerate the list of all possible queues so this is helpful, thank you

[fresh siren]

I'm guessing that negative/foil/etc. tags don't actually create a new queue, but just modify the next joker that would naturally appear in the shop queue, to guarantee it has the given edition (and is free)

[vivid narwhal]

isn't that factorial of some big numbers? even the jokers you'd have 20! lists of just rares (10^18 if it's 20 cards in the list then multiply by ante)

[pallid saffron]

Not the number of possibilities but what queue there are

[vivid narwhal]

oh for the Soul site?

[fresh siren]

Fair point, I'm not trying to fully enumerate every queue

Just... exactly what was mentioned above - list what types of queues there are. And all reroll queues I'm grouping into one.

I'm doing it for my own personal use at the moment, though if it's useful (doubtful), I could share it

[vivid narwhal]

off top of my head (others can do way better), types of non-joker cards, queue of jokers off a list per rarity, pack contents...then sorting of the above for shops is how it works?

[pallid saffron]

The shop queue picks what type of card should be made. Then for jokers it picks what rarity it should be. These are all separate queues that are related to the shop

[fresh siren]

Combination of Ante x item being rolled for (I have eleven unique types of things that can be rolled for) x source requesting the roll (so far I've got 29) x reroll queue number (and if item is joker, x rarity)

Of course most of these combinations won't happen (an Arcane Booster pack will never request a planet card, the Judgement card will never request a Boss, Cartomancer will never request a booster pack type, etc.), it's more of enumerating the items that can be rolled for and the sources that can request the roll.

[fresh siren]

I've also got 5 more "x in y chance" sources (bloodstone/reserved parking/wheel of fortune/lucky card/glass card) and 11 more "pick from a list" sources that I think have their own queues too

No, I'll never need most of these, but it helps me understand the bigger picture and lets me know which ones I can ignore.

But for example, if wheel of fortune has a queue (both for "pass/fail" and for "which joker to upgrade"), that could be useful in planning (save up cards for an ante where the first few succeed the roll and/or where the first succesful roll is polychrome)

[fresh siren]

anyway, sorry for straying into talk that really belongs in https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209513992519946250 at this point. It started generic but got oddly specific.

[vivid narwhal]

M3L9BQ7G pretty juicy, I've been playing blind. ante 3 soul (yawn) but does have cola/neg tags to check out too. but maybe people don't get out of bed for turn 1 BP/BS/something crazy these days either 🙂

(I didn't have a good held card for a while, just had used a hanged man too. I might still lose this one lol)

[misty ivy]

Hello guys i think i found a some what good seed SKAY first ante showman and stuntman in buffon pack ante 2 barron and spectral pack if u buy the voucher that get's you back u find deja vu and spades king, ante 6 first buffon pack mime, i don't know how to optimize but the seed looks kinda fun, do what you want with the seed

[whole jacinth]

After playing this game so much, your score became common for me

🤡

[austere hornet]

just had a seed with 2 perkio at 1/8, have 3 perkio, 1 negatve, and a brainstorm at 7/8

i'll post the seed when its over

R1U9GDEQ

[whole jacinth]

THE BEST RANDOM SEED

[quartz jackal]

was curious how to optimize a seed? balatro university on youtube has mentioned save states but im not sure how that works, what ive done is just restart the whole run and get back to where i was but thats not very viable for trying to figure out late ante optimizations so ive just stopped playing seeded but id like to get into it

[vivid narwhal]

see if the link to the soul is in MathIsFun's info. that gives most of the shop/pack order for a seed

save data is in AppData (or whatever equivalent like proton in steam). there's folders 1,2,3 the save file is in there. just copy the save.jkr file under another name and you can go back to a save point

editing that prob not topic for this channel, not sure where. don't think there's anything too convenient yet

think the game is deterministic down to what lucky card will do when, etc

[pallid saffron]

yep

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1232562163273433088

[whole jacinth]

I dare someone to beat seed A9ZBHCY9 at a higher Ante, it has early fortune teller and 5 Spectral tags

it has Violet Vessel and a Mr. Bones too

[jade gorge]

i dont get it? whats the problem with the seed? its very beatable

[whole jacinth]

on switch it's Violet vessel

[jade gorge]

its VV i just have the reroll voucher

[whole jacinth]

hm, i never saw it

[jade gorge]

also this build beats VV anyway

[whole jacinth]

or i did and didn't notice

still, more power to ya

i had fortune teller, smiley, a level 15 flush and both flush jokers!

and a neg jolly joker

[harsh robin]

here is your problem, you are playing flush

[rapid stirrup]

#🌱・seed-chat message I also made a simple set of scripts to make it easier @quartz jackal

[vivid narwhal]

wonder if there's a list of difficult seeds somewhere? certainly run into a few where seems no matter how much rolling you do, it's really hard to progress score to be able to beat the later antes. (especially ones with deceptively ok starts but the only endgame is pretty much playing jokerless)

[cosmic iris]

First time routing a seed. Went ok 😅

[tired jungle]

triboulet, ankh it and blueprint it, but you get fucked over by PLANT. PLANT. on ante 13. I'm gonna cry
H8ZP6QZB

[eternal tendon]

VMH297QE baron, 2x mime, 1 brainstorm, 3 blueprint
probably wont get a better run in a while

[grizzled wraith]

F27F4V34

5 tribulet seed

[molten aspen]

hi i'm using Immolate by MathIsFun0 (the seed finding tool) and am curious if there's a built in way to end the seed search

currently i'm just closing the terminal window every time but that's a bit annoying 😅

[mint kraken]

ctrl+c

[molten aspen]

ok i tried ctrl+c while it was building and that didn't work but ig i never tried while actually searching, my bad

thanks

[pallid saffron]

Yep, Ctrl+C is the best way to stop Immolate at the moment

[molten aspen]

if i build immolate locally will that improve performance? because every time i want to test my filter i have to wait a solid few minutes for Building program...

[pallid saffron]

OpenCL does support building a program and then loading it later but I haven't added that support to Immolate yet

[molten aspen]

i see

[pallid saffron]

that's something I'll try and look into in the near future though

[molten aspen]

i would definitely appreciate that

also idk if there's a place for other suggestions to be brought up

[mint kraken]

for immolate?

#1209513992519946250 is the thread for the tool

[molten aspen]

oh sorry didn't know there was a thread for all this

[gentle kettle]

just saying, theres a soul in the seed GODSEED, im too lazy to optimize, but i think it has potential to cook

also ante 1 poly burnt (but the soul isn't perkeo 😭)

[balmy pollen]

EBSR8VDG you get 3 souls

pretty early too

[cold cliff]

27LYGUBS - Round 1 Bloodstone, Round 4 Buffoon Pack (if I do not disremember) should contain a Negative Drole Joker (+10 Mult for Flush), and later down the line in the shop, a Negative Hanging Chat.
These are the things I have found, but I belive there can be a lot more to this seed depending on the deck and how you open the shop packs

[eternal tendon]

early brainstorm and hack, ancient joker later on and blueprint later on early in que, mime early in que, possibility for baron maybe 6ZEUXSYA, negative spectral straight flushes and early showman as well

[fleet pumice]

i have a 4 poly braistorm run seed : 57vh622a. to get the game going you need to skip the first blind and get the free rare which it will be a brainstorm then on the next small blind you need to buy the mega spectral to get the hank and the wrath which will give you an invisible joker, somewhre in the run jou can get another invisible joker specifically on the arm's shop after the reroll you get another wrath whith another inv. joker

[young fractal]

10K Wee :)

[prime sonnet]

He Weeee

[young fractal]

Here is the seed

[sour cape]

Done this one twice now, once with queens and once with kings, very early blueprint and legendary triboulet, add in a negative business card and negative showman for some fun.

[calm pebble]

very specific ask but is there a seed with checkerd deck that gives telescope first bind? i wanna see how far i can go with just playing flushes

first ante*

[hazy tundra]

Is there any way to make save states of some sort to help with routing seeds

[calm pebble]

update found one 👍

[vivid narwhal]

there's a perkeo + observatory seed, people have done a few youtube vids on that one

[loud summit]

You could copy all the files and restore them over and over again, i bet?

Sounds tedious though

[calm pebble]

oh shit really? do you know what seed?

[winter oracle]

dont think i have enough trios

[prime sonnet]

Need a Negative or two

[winter oracle]

got my brainstorm negative

[prime sonnet]

Need another trio

[novel gyro]

Lucky cat

[tender elbow]

Does anyone have a way of finding legendary seeds really easily

[orchid hollow]

how to mod guys

[pallid saffron]

https://github.com/mathisfun0/immolate
Run with immolate -f double_legendary

[hexed valley]

anyone know why when i start a seed the first shop often has a bafoon pack where its not sapost to do i have a setting wrong?

[proud harness]

the first shop is guaranteed to have a buffoon pack

what do you mean its not supposed to

[hexed valley]

they must be old seeds

mb

[proud harness]

yeah if youre reading guides or something theyre from the last update

cus buffoon packs used to not be guaranteed

they are as of the update last week

[hexed valley]

thanks man!

[pallid saffron]

any seeds posted before 1.0.1 will be inaccurate, mainly with jokers and sometimes packs

[tender elbow]

Sorry for the late reply but thanks!

[strong edge]

hey guys just bought the game 2 days ago, am i able to use seeds from previous patches and get the same results?

[mint kraken]

as said here the answer is no

[nimble perch]

My first Time naneinf unseeded
Seed: U4E4E3RE

[green notch]

Nice! I bet you’ll have a hard time topping that

[naive kraken]

does anyone know how seeds in balatro actually work?

[old plinth]

Well in layman's terms, the alphanumeric string simply acts as a starting point for the Balatro software's psuedorandom number generator.

[versed aspen]

how does finding a specific joker in a seed work?

I saw someone say there's a list each ante that it just goes down as you roll and go through shops

[pallid saffron]

Yep

[versed aspen]

so does that mean if I have less jokers unlocked, there will be gaps in my list and the setup I've been given won't work?

[pallid saffron]

And there’s tools like https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1232562163273433088 to show you those queues

[pallid saffron]

It’ll go into the reroll queue and you won’t ever be able to find them

[versed aspen]

is the reroll queue seperate? or just more random

[pallid saffron]

Separate

[versed aspen]

so do I just have to unlock everything?

[ionic current]

eyup

how does the seeding work if I don't have the entire collection unlocked?

I'm missing satellite, but that doesn't show up till ante 4 according to the seed analysis tool, does that mean with someone with full unlocks will have the same run till that's supposed to show up?

[ionic current]

Just checked on an unlocked profile and apparently yes

[rapid stirrup]

if you dont have satellite unlocked, it gets replaced on another uncommon

[ionic current]

so it just acts as if that joker was never on the listt?

[rapid stirrup]

no I believe it acts as if you already have that joker in your joker slots

[stable musk]

Are there any seeds with routes that can be used for infinite tarots
The only one I can find has a guide that's from before the update and no longer works

[ionic dirge]

found this seed, gives double rare tag and then u get blueprint and obelisk for free, then invis joker shows up for 8 bucks in the next shop XDP86A8Q, anything fun to suggest for it?

[warm musk]

IFYCX6SP skip first two blinds. Have fun

[naive kraken]

Well I mean yeah I know that, but like specifically
Is it possible to reverse engineer a seed? Can you tell what a seed will contain without playing it?

[pallid saffron]

https://mathisfun0.github.io/The-Soul/

[naive kraken]

thank you

[night quest]

Does anyone know of an erratic deck seed with early cloud 9 joker & lots of 9s?

[wise fox]

hey, sorry to bother you but if I am running for erratic flush fives, what should the score be if it matches?

[rose quartz]

how does this work?

[pallid saffron]

The score will be the number of cards with the same rank and suit, ex. 15 if there’s 15 of them

[pallid saffron]

It reverse-engineers Balatro’s RNG algorithm to display what you’ll find in a given seed

[rose quartz]

oh okay so you need a seed first and then it will tell you everything you’ll see?

[pallid saffron]

Yep

The only known way to reverse-engineer a seed would be to check all the seeds you can get unseeded (about 1.8 trillion) for a specific characteristic, which would take a while with the current tools

[rose quartz]

ah i see. that makes sense

[naive kraken]

You could do it a lot faster if you had the pseudorandom algorithms thouy

[pallid saffron]

Immolate does this, it would still probably take a few days/weeks though

[naive kraken]

what do you mean immolate does this?

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209513992519946250

[naive kraken]

oh cool

[mellow oriole]

Randomly got the seed VFMVRTVU for this god of a card to start off. Skip first 2 binds and its right there