🌱・seed-chat

[worldly schooner]

yeah the question would just be can you survive for long enough. assuming you get both -1 ante vouchers, with 4 copies per round, thats only ~360 planets by ante 38, which assuming you have no other scoring jokers is only e127

on balance

[quiet spire]

i just found a double poly order run... but i found it on my main save, so when i tested it on a 100% save.. it was invis joker, so much for that seed :p

the only other thing in the shop was "the duo"
btw, this is in the first shop.
if you want me to, i could just put the seed anyways

[loud summit]

I think if we can find a seed that is telescope-> observatory on plasma deck, with a high card and perkeo or two immidiately, then it might just be possible to hit nan-inf. I was printing almost a full 0 every hand, on nebula. only need 160 rounds to hit it at that rate, with plasma.

With the all kings red seal seal setup, I could have replaced one of perkeos with mime for like 20~e instead of only 11 e~ before the planets. (40 e plasma) So -40 rounds.

How many rounds do you get? before Nan inf requirement?

this seed was very convincing for me, at least.

[junior junco]

is there a good seed for getting invis joker?

or do we just ball

[crude night]

logging what I can find from @deep eagle 's seed: D2A5DM6N

to share later in thread for archival

ante 4, small blind, ankh

(not to use ofc)

active by ante 4 boss with optimal gameplay

(invisible joker in jumbo buffoon pack, right before boss)

final boss defeat -> invis joker again

...and a single reroll

alright I think I'm ready to share it in thread now

[worldly schooner]

Yeah I’m doing some math on it when I get home

Gonna try to find.a “perfect seed”

[sleek pendant]

very fun seed, you get joker stencil early on, (i polchomed it cuz ghost), its a free win, you also get a ghost joker after to dupe them, you get another ghost WAY later down the line

[worldly schooner]

this look correct so far to everyone?

[prisma lichen]

any good erratic deck seeds that are good besides the only 10s seed

[worldly schooner]

there's one that you can play on hex deck that gives only spectral cards

https://discordapp.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1221492502096515276

[pallid saffron]

Looks pretty good right now

I don’t know why you need to pull out all of the logic symbols when you can just say that Plasma is powerful because the maximum of x(a-x) is always a/2, where in the context of Balatro, a is the sum of chips and mult

[worldly schooner]

looks more smart

i also probably butchered it

[pallid saffron]

Related to the actual contents of the draft, I would also say that the filters for vouchers are pretty strict. When Antimatter appears isn’t nearly as important as when Observatory appears in the context of building Perkeo up. With the limited search speed discarding too many seeds because of vouchers isn’t a good idea

On fast GPUs Immolate can still search only a few trillion seeds per day; even with a distributed search that leaves you with maybe one or two more characters than the default 8 to work with

[worldly schooner]

Wouldn't antimatter be more imporant since planets can still build up for observatory regardless of whether or not you have the actual voucher

at this point i'm more focused on figuring out the perfect seed, not necessarily finding it. I will probably have to tweak the conditions a considerable amount since it would take an insane amount of time to find a seed that fits all of the perfect conditions

[pallid saffron]

That’s a great point

Yeah that invalidates my argument lol

[worldly schooner]

is sell value half of joker value rounded down?

[pallid saffron]

yes iirc

I think rounded up though?

[wanton imp]

Can't wait till someone finds a seed that for the random deck that's only Kings of Hearts 🧌

[worldly schooner]

probably won't happen if the character limit for seeds is 8 characters

the 10's deck is caused by a bug

[wanton imp]

i'm still shocked that they found that one yeah

LocalThunk should increase the seed character limit by, like, 4.

not sure how that'd work with older seeds though

[worldly schooner]

i think it works the same way

the chance of finding a seed that looks like that is 5.86x10^-90

if each atom in the universe was a seed

u still wouldn't have enough

probably

[quaint dome]

Idk about that 😂

But yeah it’s very rare

[worldly schooner]

there's an estimated ~10^80 atoms in the universe

so you could find one

just not very likely

[quaint dome]

Actually only that much?

Even if u did all atoms, thats like 1/5,000,000 still 😆

[worldly schooner]

wait 5+6+7+...+25 is the same thing as 1+2+3+...+21+(4*21) right

[pallid saffron]

The bug causing it can only produce 10 of Spades significantly, so the odds of any others is ridiculously low

[quaint dome]

Huh??

Oh wait

Yeah probably?

[worldly schooner]

cuz im getting that ante 37 should require 10^335, but that's way past the game's limit

[pallid saffron]

There’s only like 2^56 possibilities for the erratic seed specifically even with infinite seeds because it has to be based off of a Lua float from 0-1

[worldly schooner]

o

so there's probably not any other completely same decks

[quaint dome]

There could be some 51 ofs maybe?

[pallid saffron]

The rest wouldn’t be close imo

[worldly schooner]

wait it would be worth it to take ectoplasm for a perfect seed right

because the extra copies on mime/baron and then the extra perkeo copies is way better than +3 hand size

this is a lot of extra thinking

[loud summit]

I think we can think of the handsize as another multiplier, where normall you can want to balance your resources, so in that imgination, you'd want equal parts baron, mime, and handsize

I believe that is the correct answer ^ tm

I Always end up being wrong though

I was doing some thinking about how to go null inf without a perkeo. Reroll a boss fight infinitely many times voucher+ last boss you can live to without relying on serpent, and then using serpent to radically increase your handsize. +2 handsize per play/discard, so you could have +2 x 4 extra plays and +2 x 5 extra discards for 18 extra handsize than you start with. (start with 2? or 1? minimum, for 19? or 20? handsize)

Assuming they're all steel kings, how many mimes/barons would we need to get to naninf?

I think its just not possible looking at it like that, but maybe its close. If you really can ectoplasm your way down to 2 handsize and replcae with all useful jokers?

So lets say you have 5 barons, and 5 mimes, with red seal steel kings. So that's 5x7x2 1.5xs? so its 1.5^70 x 19? =

🤔 it is kinda close, so ig lets see how much more from there you need. that's 7 barons 5 mimes i believe?

[tacit sphinx]

not quite

[loud summit]

so we need about 7 barons and 5 mimes and to hit serpent? seems remotely plasuable.

[tacit sphinx]

that's 7x6 1.5xs

[loud summit]

you get an initial play-> and a red seal?

or no

[tacit sphinx]

the red seal adds, not multiplies

[loud summit]

i'm not sure what you mean, with 5 mimes, + 1 initial play + 1 red seal

=7?

or no

[tacit sphinx]

so 1.5^(6x7)

with 20 handsize that's 8.25387e+147

[loud summit]

i'm confused. We have 7 barons. they each trigger a 1.5x, per mime and red seal and initial play, = 7 x 7. right?

and then we also have steel, which triggers 1.5x per mime + seal + intial play. So 7x7.

= 7x7 + 7x7 = 7x7x2. Or not?

[tacit sphinx]

mime does not retrigger red seal

[loud summit]

oh wait, steel doesn't do 7x7

rip its just 7

so 7x7 + 7 right?

[tacit sphinx]

or 7x8, yea

[loud summit]

okay , so its 1.5^(7x8 x 20)

so its this

so we need 9-10 (i think 10) barons and 9 mimes.

[tacit sphinx]

it's 8 barons and 8 mimes

[loud summit]

oh right, yes

so 16 total jokers

[tacit sphinx]

you'd have to get really lucky for that

[loud summit]

so this is what we're looking for

for high card baron/mime

though to be fair, with plasma

doesn't it double the 0s?

so would i be wrong in saying we only need 4 barons and 4 mimes?

[tacit sphinx]

oh yeah

you'd need ~2e154 mult

[loud summit]

so 5 barons and 5 mimes

that does sound kinda-plauable

[tacit sphinx]

and you can get handsize higher with lucky vouchers

[loud summit]

well, the reasonable way to do it is with ectoplasms i think

[tacit sphinx]

plus juggle tag ig

[loud summit]

but yes i agree with you

it probably wouldnt go down to 1 handsize at 10 jokers

this is sounding slightly plasuable with serpent abuse

okay i thought about it again, and you were right to begin with.

A red seal = a mime, steel = a baron, initial play = a mime.

So to get to 7x7x19 you need 6 barons (+steel) and 5 mimes (+initial play+red seal)

this is the next one down, assuming you have 4 starting cards you can do 5 barons 5 mimes

[prisma lichen]

i managed to get to ante 15 with double baron with blueprint

[loud summit]

this is wrong, you can get a total of 6 hands to start, and 5 discards from vouchers, so its +20 handsize from serpent.

Though i guess its plauasble you'd be missing one

anyhow i think this is the most reasonable version, 5 barons 4 mimes and 25 total handsize. (with serpent). You'd need a lot of vouchers but its reasonable to get there.

[prisma lichen]

Managed to get to ante 15 with blueprint and double baron and mime if anyone wants to try this out I was on erratic deck playing this

It was unseeded too

[tiny owl]

is the seed for the tutorial literally "TUTORIAL" ?

its a fixed seed if so, and it does count for achievements... at the cost of having to delete your savefile first. I wonder if its possible to win with that seed.

[median furnace]

actually, I think you just have to delete the settings file to re get the tutorial

which means you could just reset the tutorial over and over again

[tiny owl]

I'm almost 100% sure its a fixed seed, i got the same joker cards both times i ran it

[proud harness]

definitely possible to win

campfire is in there

[loud summit]

There are very few unbeatable seeds i would guess

[tiny owl]

I just tested that seed and its... sort of... the tutorial. you don't get the guaranteed "Joker" card like the actual tutorial, but the other jokers and cards you get seem to match the actual tutorial pulls

so the actual tutorial is sort of an 'overlay' on top of the TUTORIAL seed

[remote girder]

2A9XNS8Z

[cloud girder]

Are there any seeds that are confirmed to be unbeatable?

[rapid stirrup]

Nope

[cloud girder]

I wonder what must happen to make a seed unbeatable, also Plasma deck makes it probably impossible

[loud summit]

black deck, all economy jokers, all packs are like cards but with no effects, horrible hand luck on like ante 1* boss, or something like that.

[cloud girder]

I think for the seed to be unbeatable it should be unbeatable for all decks and preferably all challenges, but finding some unbeatable seed for at least one deck or challenge would be cool too

[loud summit]

i heavily doubt there even exists a seed that could be unbeatable on all decks

[cloud girder]

Yeah, for that you have to get no scoring jokers and useful planet cards for like 3 antes

[loud summit]

plasma makes it way too hard, and plays/discards also covers insanely bad luck that plasma could get, the decks cover for each other too hard.

yellow with extra money for more rerolls, etc.

i just realized ironically how do you even get an unbeatable seed, if you only get the seed after you win the run

Ig it could be math attempted by the people with htose programs

[cloud girder]

Don't you also see the seed after losing?

[loud summit]

I was told you don't but maybe it was changed/wrong info

[pallid saffron]

You see it after losing too

It was changed so you can’t see it during a run

[cloud girder]

Why though?

[pallid saffron]

I guess backseat prevention?

For streams

[loud summit]

ohhh makes sense. or just straight cheating

play on another computer

[pallid saffron]

*pulls out Immolate*
“You should reroll before the boss because Brainstorm is next in the queue!”

[loud summit]

to see consequences if it really matters.

[cloud girder]

There are tons of seeds, viewers would have to play much faster than streamers

[loud summit]

I assume you're joking

[pallid saffron]

There’s tools to list out everything on a seed

[cloud girder]

oh, ok

[pallid saffron]

And viewers can definitely outpace a streamer lol

[cloud girder]

I'm new to all the stuff that isn't in standard game

[loud summit]

(I play much faster than streamers), though its not neccesarily that they're bad or something. A lot of it is so audiences can actually understand and engage

[cloud girder]

I guess I am slow at this game then

[loud summit]

if you're new then you're not slow, its very normal

[pallid saffron]

That’s not a bad thing

There’s a reason why there’s no time-based incentives in this game

When something like the “Speedrunner” achievement could’ve been easily changed to require that

[cloud girder]

I wouldn't say I'm new, I played two demos before the game released and have made some nice progress in full version

[loud summit]

Oh, well regardless like math is saying it defintely takes time, especially when trying to optimize decisions

[cinder spear]

out of curiosity how do yall even find seeds in the first place

do you just play and note down which seeds are interesting?

[pallid saffron]

Mostly that, but there also is a seed searcher
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209513992519946250

That’s how some of the rarer seeds were found (ex. all 10 of Spades)

[worldly schooner]

I think the thing with ectoplasm is it allows you to get more jokers, but at the cost of hand size. Would it be worth it to get rid of mime and baron completely and just run blueprints and brainstorms on perkeo with observatory

If you get them early enough, by ante 38 that’s an additional ~250 planet cards

Which probably isn’t better than mine and baron with enough blueprints because each king would be triggering 49 1.5x mults so getting rid of that for planets wouldn’t be worth

Idk

I’ll see if even one ectoplasm is worth it assuming only 4 non ectoplasm negative jokers

So 11 jokers with ectoplasm

[copper badge]

Playing through a Hit The Road erratic deck rn, but I wanna run this one on Black Stake and see if I can get it in eternal

There's 2 Ankhs so it would allow 3 Hit The Roads

[pale beacon]

EDITED

Played the seed again

5GXLYALB

Store 1 has a Holographic vagabond ( there’s a fortune teller Joker ante 3 store 1)

Ante 2 Store 1 has a Negative Bootstrap, a Telescope Voucher

Ante 2 Store 2 has a Negative To Do List

A2 Store 3 has a Joker Stencil

Ante 3 Store 1 fortune teller Joker

[worldly schooner]

does anyone have a table for the required scores for each ante. I know there's the one in game, but I'm looking for one that goes up to ante 38

[brazen jay]

Hey, anyone kowns where can we find seeds for switch version

[loud summit]

They aren't the same???

[fallow cave]

I presume they are

[brazen jay]

No they doesnt work on consol 😩

[loud summit]

is it perhaps that some seeds don't work? Not doubting you, but occasionally with old seeds i will replicate the steps and find that its a different legendary joker, for instance. Usually from 30+ days ago.

[fresh oak]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1223048785442242651

[pallid saffron]

There are a few RNG differences in the older version that consoles are stuck on, which include what packs spawn and when The Soul appears

[azure aurora]

so im right now running on TZ897H3Z for double brainstorm and perkeo ante 4 to see just how many plutos i can get with observatorium voucher, im right now trying to route it as good as i can and thats where i am at right now, i guess one more negative and then find an invisible or at least showman to get 1 more but thats it then

[worldly schooner]

a red seal glass would be good but idk if you'll be able to get that

[azure aurora]

im just working on red seal steels rn

its done at ante 30

[worldly schooner]

the red seal steels won't do much without mime though

[azure aurora]

cant get over it

[worldly schooner]

although ik nothing about the seed so probably whatever you're doing is better

[azure aurora]

it does more having a full red seal hand than 1 glass no?=

[worldly schooner]

yes but you also have to actually draw the full red seal hand, and get the cards to have the full red seal hand

[azure aurora]

i had 20 cards in the end 7 of were red seal steel

i was able to cycle for them but still

didnt got over ante 30

[sour mango]

Has anyone ever tried the seed NANEINF?

[proven tendon]

I just had a crazy random seed run

black deck. GE1AA8VB. Free shop first skip. Driver's license and wrathful joker, arcana pack in first shop had yorick. Next arcana pack 2 shops later has perkeo. Made it to ante 15 after a silly misplay.

[copper badge]

I see multiple glitched seed discoveries have happened

[mellow plaza]

yep, probably all of them though. I've tested all prefix lengths from 3-11 and anything over 9 seems to yield nothing

[junior junco]

are there any seeds that give erratic deck all one card that ISNT 10 of spades?

[pallid saffron]

Not possible with the nature of the glitch that causes it

[junior junco]

it's a glitch?

im also mad i lost my seed with double poly baron and DNA before the end of ante 1

[molten turtle]

if it wasnt the odds would be like 1 in cookie clicker numbers

wait no it's more than cookie clicker numbers

[proud harness]

1 in 3.3 octovigintillion (i.e. 3.3e87) i believe

which is still more than 200 orders of magnitude lower than cookie clicker numbers

but a few orders of magnitude more than the number of atoms in the universe

[loud summit]

did you guys know you can move blueprint/brainstorm to make gold cards trigger mime extra times, even if they weren't there for the played hand? (Meaning, you can blue print a DNA for instance, win with the DNA, but while the scoring is taking place move BP/Brainstorm such that its targetting mime, and the game re-reads your jokers when deciding whether or not to give multiple triggers of gold cards at the end of round)

Seems kinda bug abusey idk how to feel, but its a cool tech i found on my latest run. Kinda like it 🤔

That means for instance, if you are doing 3x3 mime baron with blue prints copying baron, you can move them to mime after scoring starts with gold cards in hand, etc.

[tiny gate]

Just found this seed (1RJ779NN) 2 legendary jokers pretty early on in the run just keep buying the tarot packs -- 1RJ779NN

[rapid stirrup]

kinda off topic, but yeah, it is unintended, and I do expect it being patched

it is intended that copy jokers dont work with end of round effects, so you don't have to move blueprint/brainstorm around after playing final hand

[loud summit]

Copying mime is intended, though.

and mime working with gold cards, is also intended

[rapid stirrup]

yes but moving blueprint after final hand to get extra mime is unintended, that's what I mean

[loud summit]

hmm. Probably unintended I agree. Though, intention isn't really relevant to how i think about these types of things.

[rapid stirrup]

the fix shouldn't be that hard I feel like, blueprint can get a fixed state after playing hand that only updates if played hand wasn't enough to finish the blind

[quaint igloo]

I found an Ante 0 seed lmao

[worldly schooner]

like one with instant heiroglyph?

[odd walrus]

Is there a way to get ante -1

[proud harness]

no

getting heiroglyph, skipping for voucher tag and getting petroglyph takes more rounds than there are in an ante

[molten turtle]

i've gotten to like ante -5 with mods, and it's just ante 0 repeated for however many antes are left until ante 1

[patent sigil]

One of the cooler seeds I’ve played I got yorick pretty early and was using the ghost deck and made him polychrome and duped for early game then set up a luck deck with the cat

Didn’t optimize it this was a far as I got. Also is there any way to change the RNG to get a different legendary you pull from a soul

[worldly schooner]

breh how did i go so many re rolls without brainstorm or baron

also
KX4AM4
U1HNGX
Y1O4IY
16THST3
all start with perkeo, ankh, and bluepritn in first shop for free

[worldly schooner]

no its the same every time unless you're on console i think

[pure kelp]

wow this was pretty cool with walkie talkie in first shop

[light wadi]

I got this seed where I had 5 legendary jokers! Canio and Triboulet popped up early and I made copies and Yorick popped up later. all 3 were in spectral/tarot card parks. I beat orange stake for the first time this run! SAVS9UAM

[junior junco]

So rng is seed-dependent right?

[silent arch]

yes

[junior junco]

Is that All forms of rng? Even something like erratic deck?

[silent arch]

yes

every single thing that is random is seed dependent

[proud harness]

if two players make the same decisions on the same seed there's nothing that will happen that could make their runs diverge

[junior junco]

So are there any seeds that are MOSTLY one card? Like I'm aware there's at least 3 erratic deck seeds that gives all 10s of spades

But what about mostly

[silent arch]

closest I found is a seed with 13 7s

I don't remember what the seed was though

[proud harness]

probably not, those seeds are bugged and the actual chances of getting a bunch of the same card are very very very low

[junior junco]

Like decks with <7 cards different for example

[proud harness]

depends on what you mean by mostly though

[junior junco]

Cuz I'm aware the 10 of spades is based on a glitch

[loud summit]

to find all 7s its 1/13^52, 1/50~ charachters per seed, length 8=

so the odds of fightin all 7s, of any suit, is 1 with 34 0s apart.

"mostly" = 27/52 which is 1/13^27 (slightly more common, so lets say x 10000 just to be fair. super ultra fair

the difference is E13, or in the quadrillions. so no there are no mostly same card seeds.

Well, technically, 1/13^51 and 1/13^26th, because it could be any number, but its not even close.

[junior junco]

One suit is much more common tho at 1/4^56 I believe

Eh I'm failing math

[loud summit]

still not close

but mostly,

[junior junco]

Yeah but the chance for the deck to be only one suit tho is correct right?

[loud summit]

there might be (very vey low odds) of a nonglitched mostly same suit

[junior junco]

There's 3 actually

[loud summit]

though, my estimate is unfair and i didn't compensate so potentially it exists

[junior junco]

One of the seeds even has every joker be polychrome

Eh

I'm failing math but I'm rather talented for guesstimating stuff like that

(I'm only failing math cuz my teacher is a bitch)

How so?

[junior junco]

Sure it's very unlikely but there's a chance

[loud summit]

no

[junior junco]

Only assignments are fucking booklets, Im in grade 11

[loud summit]

1/52^51st is such a world apart from 1/50^8 that its not realistic

in any meanginful way

it might as well be 0

you're not wrong though, there technically is a chance. just like if you bet all your money on a 1/2, for infinity there is still a chance you have money at the end.

[junior junco]

I'm aware that it's just like shuffling a deck completely randomly and drawing the same card off the top 52 times

[loud summit]

that is a perfect example actually

mathematically indistinct.

[junior junco]

Yeah

I don't like math, don't mean I'm bad at it

[loud summit]

Yes, i guess he could have meant something different, but that would be impossible

[junior junco]

Idk

Its theoretically possible

Why can't it? Is it just that unlikely?

[loud summit]

I mean, it is possible, but the odds are so close to 0 that the idea isn't really meaningful

[junior junco]

We KNOW it's an error not because it happened once, if it was once then we'd be infinitely lucky. But because it's happened 3 times

[loud summit]

and if someone were to see it, it'd be much better for people to chalk it up as fake

than to even give on the premise

well, random from a computer program can't exist without some type of out-side influence

so, its not possible in the first place, just whatever algorythm they used happened to add up in a way that produced it, even if it weren't a clear fault.

[crude pasture]

if anyone finds an early midas mask, vampire, trading card seed or can search for one I would be super appreciative

[tropic smelt]

me when fun seed

89WWAQSY

[loud summit]

what i've managed to do so far with this seed

it has potential, possibly

[ember juniper]

Hi I'm looking for a seed to go naneinf

[loud summit]

i'm pretty sure this is the seed

my castle could have been ectoplasmed onto a diffrent joker.

and then i could have brainstorm/invis i've seen them in teh shop

which is 3 mimes, 2 barons, and lets just call it 3 blue prints. Is that enough with serpent to win? I think so, right?

ante 20/21 dont have serpent though so i can't demostrate it convincingly to myself but this seed is very close to nan inf without perkeos or cryptids

7 re rolls i think

i forgot about .... one shotting the blind

so... you kinda okay that's hard

you also have to last to a high enough ante, or find serpent every boss fight

wow, okay no perkeo might be doomed

Oh dude i messed up

i should have played first and i should have donked my blue prints

onto castle or something

i discareded first, i can't believe i didn't think that through

okay then, well, this seed is probably the seed to do it on. you get 5 barons and 4 mimes, with a +1 discard joker, and the ability to roll into serpent pretty late in the game.

[mint kraken]

Seed seems good but how would you go around to duping Cryptids for inf

No perkeo

[loud summit]

i think you have enough mimes/barons and handsize with serpent that you dont need any

if not, it seems close

[mint kraken]

What level is your high card

[loud summit]

idk like 50, you get telescope at some point

[mint kraken]

You would need around a hand size of 36

Full of red seal steel kings

[loud summit]

so then you need 2 more mimes/barons than in my screenshot? yah i thought that mighttt be the case

hmmm, it might be possible to force a negative baron/mime later in the run. not sure, you already get to force one. You could also potentially get antimater at some point, blank voucher was on the ante before i died

[mint kraken]

If you add a baron and mime it's now 26

[loud summit]

yes, 26 is free to do

[mint kraken]

But you would need all of the 26 slots to be fully maxed kings

[loud summit]

not a problem lol

[mint kraken]

I mean it seems you have some extra cards in your deck rn

Some not red sealed some not even steel

[loud summit]

yes, i played out of order, and with another baron/mim you can do this later, i also did not move my blueprints

to copy castle

i mentioned all of this

[mint kraken]

Why would you copy castle

[loud summit]

and with more time you can easily death the entire deck its just hard before you ditch showman

so that you don't win @mint kraken

every play gives +2 cards

handsize

[mint kraken]

I doubt you wouldn't even just win even if you do copy

[loud summit]

anyhow i know how to do it, the handsize is not the problem

🤔 i'm 99% sure the handsize is not going to be the problem, but it potentially could be. But the problem is if you really are that powerful without your stuff, you can just get further into the seed where the serpent asks for e100 or E200.

it might be the case that there isnt enough serpent options non this particular seed on the highest ante you can get too, or that we dont have enough of our power in blueprint/brainstorm to lower the curve

[mint kraken]

I guess if you have retcon you could force it

[loud summit]

but i'm pretty sure its not

yes we get retcon

on this seed

[mint kraken]

Then just save money I guess

[loud summit]

I found a way to get the mime negative. I have a giant instruction sheet, i think this is dooable.

[clever rivet]

the seed with my name has a triboulet in its first arcana

the seeds kobe btw

this is the first shop

[loud summit]

i have a way to get +1 joker, too.

and this is just the beggining :)

I honestly i'm almost shaking i think i literally broke the code. will just probably take a reset since im down a joker

LOL

so lets say i had +1 blueprint, was that enough cards? to hit nan inf?

(Can force a negative blueprint that i didn't know until i wrote down the entire play-pattern)

[loud summit]

dang, you're right. That last handsize i sacrifice to make it work, ruins it.

[mint kraken]

https://efhiii.github.io/balatro-calculator/ use this

[loud summit]

i think my math is right

though if i just had 1 more handspace it should work

OH I ALSO played a pair, in order to gaurantee not exceeding the score cap

omg, okay im back to believing im just going to repeat all the same steps

[hollow tide]

Idk understand how people get like 5.48e to the power of 10 like the highest I ever gotten 5 Eternal Badness with negative 10/4 and it was only like 50b I need a super easy seed or to just get better 😭

[mint kraken]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdNGt-ihEAcHn_YPgKEQbqTbW5q7CL8JP to learn about high score runs

[loud summit]

🤔

bro i forgot to move the blueprints

omg

okay, one more try!

[tropic smelt]

what if anaglyph voucher or negative and pray

xd

also how many mimes do you have

ok good

[tropic smelt]

just keep mime and baron =

[loud summit]

FUCK YAH!!!

FUCK OMG

[tropic smelt]

non legendary naneinf

[loud summit]

omg

[tropic smelt]

i found best seed :D

[loud summit]

im a beast bro you dont get it blitz

you got me the seed

bro

omg you're a beast. you almost didnt share it too

what a set of circumstances

[tropic smelt]

can you

post for me

xd

that sounds fun

[loud summit]

yah, i'll make the seed thread at some point, with my notes if someone wants to repeat it.

maybe my notes are too long and some of its kinda janky/wrong idk

[tropic smelt]

1st wheel of fortune

nop

[loud summit]

ohhh i get it, you're showing your name's seed gotcha

[tropic smelt]

ded

(alternate name seed) bruv

man i wish i had cash

[azure aurora]

crying the club, all i wanted was to get 500 plutos

and im gonna lose

1 round of

[bitter ermine]

is there a program that can find seeds?

[rapid stirrup]

#1209513992519946250

you need some code knowledge to use it though

[bitter ermine]

ah damn. what knowledge?

[rapid stirrup]

just programming in general, if you know any language, you should be able to pick it up

there's a lot of examples to learn from

[bitter ermine]

so if i just go "immolate -f double_legendary" it would give me a double legendary seed?

[rapid stirrup]

ask questions in the thread

but yes

[weary shard]

any seeds with 5 invis jokers asking cause i wanna cook

[edgy plinth]

is there a way to check what your seed was? i just got a seed with a first ante legendary and I wanted to keep it, but it didnt copy

[loud summit]

i dont think so without a recording going.

[edgy plinth]

i was able to get it, you get one when you win and when you die, so I died to keep it after going as high as an ante I could go

[tropic smelt]

E

[worldly schooner]

pain

its perkeo

[pallid saffron]

Should’ve used wheel

[worldly schooner]

i took perkeo

gotta get that extra sun

and 10 dollars

seed is kinda busted though

[compact garnet]

did a lucky 9's build and got 5 great negative jokers - R865RBYF

[mint sigil]

so

what is a seed?

I am new

[compact garnet]

seed is basicaly the code for the exact same run (usualy true for most games 🙂 )

[modern patrol]

Is there a place I can go in order to get interesting seeds without spoilers? #seeds is great but I don’t like knowing what’s coming

[keen lance]

That’s really the point of seeds, as if you don’t do a specific thing, you might miss the thing making the seed good

[mellow plaza]

There's no specific place for it, but if you want a good seed without instructions you can't really miss the good part of XEQH7CP9

[mint sigil]

ah okay, thank you

[wet cave]

is there a tool to map seeds? I went through one manually (rerolling, buying packs, checking Wheels, etc.) and it was painful.

[rotund python]

U7LTSH17 - Yorick and Triboulet with Dusk, chav, red seal foil kings and lots of multiplier fun

Highest score 2.356e11

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209513992519946250
There's an "analyzer" filter that does a large part of this

[wet cave]

nice, I'll give it a try

[dawn saddle]

Anyone know If you can seed a challenge run?

[tough furnace]

I am having a WILD unseeded run rn...

[pallid saffron]

not in vanilla, you'd need a mod to be able to do that

maybe I'll try and cook something up

[worthy saddle]

please blueprint sock and buskin

[tough furnace]

you're a genius.

it did make a difference:

[worthy saddle]

should always try to balance out your triggers and retriggers

[mint kraken]

You mean balance your xmult and retriggers

[worthy saddle]

ya but triggers and retriggers sounds better

[brazen zodiac]

True

[hot ridge]

though it could trigger math oriented people

[worthy saddle]

I am very much 'math oriented' I don't see anything wrong with wording it like that

sure 'Triggers' aren't necessarily all the same, that's all I can really see though

[hot ridge]

😭 i was saying it for the meme

[worthy saddle]

oh my I'm so dumb

i just realized you were saying "trigger"

[hot ridge]

hehe

[worthy saddle]

lol

I'm not very english oriented

[tough furnace]

It was a good one.

[loud summit]

odd +1 to triggers :)

[worthy saddle]

it's add +1 to the retriggers tho, right? because they "re" trigger so without any retriggers they still trigger each trigger once

[worthy saddle]

this probably sounds so weird to read
trigger
trigger
retrigger
trigger
retrigger
retrigger
retrigger
trigger

[whole jacinth]

Is there a good seed for winning? I've yet to win a game yet, I haven't unlocked any decks past black

[timid pier]

you don’t get unlocks from winning seeded runs, would be better if you just played a few rounds and use the experience from there to get your first win

[whole jacinth]

I'm 21 hours into this game and still haven't won so I was hoping there was a seed that I could learn from

[wet cave]

that's pretty normal. this is a puzzle game and it takes awhile to figure everything out.

[obtuse sierra]

in any order, really (dependent on current scoring, whether you're able to comfortably score or not):

• get joker that adds chips (scalable often better, depending on current joker loadout)
• get joker that adds mult (scalable often better, see above)
• get joker that multiplies mult (scalable often better, see above)
• make sure that all the jokers are compatible and you can trigger them somewhat reliably in your conditions
• try to save interest (often having more is better, allows for more rerolls, etc.)
• check to see if you can change the joker to something better, but similarly reliable

that's it - for the few first runs on lower difficulties you can skip consumables, but if you do want to use them

• get planets depending on compatible hand with current joker loadout
• get tarots that can either change the probability of drawing cards to your compatible hand, benefit you later or benefit you now
• get card packs to match your compatible hand
• get spectrals for ??? (this part is a little more complex, feel free to explore when you feel comfortable)
• get vouchers that would benefit you depending on current joker loadout, amount of money, etc. (ex. magic trick is recommended if you've got a mult multiplier joker that scales with more cards)

also, don't fret to pick up a common joker, even if expirable if it can benefit your run and you've got no other options - maybe it'll last you a few more blinds and allow you to pick up something better

[fiery sage]

I’m new to this discord, been playing balatro since the February demo. Found two pretty cool seeds.

Seed: QQFPRPF9, gets 4 poly sock and buskin before ante 4.

Seed: 7H1XC36R, gets two poly brainstorm at ante two. In this run I also found perkeo, oops all sixes and bloodstone before ante 7, was a pretty fun seed. I’m shit so only got to ante 13 with it but I’m pretty sure someone could craft up some wierd gameplays with this one

[rotund python]

Good seeds come every now and then

[cloud girder]

I heard there are ways to see everything that appears on a certain seed, how and where do I do it?

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209513992519946250
When you use this, run the analyzer filter (ex. immolate -f analyzer -n 1 -s ABCD1234)

[cloud girder]

It says "1 warning generated." and nothing more, is it processing something or something went wrong?

[pallid saffron]

It takes a long time to do its thing

Usually several minutes at least

[cloud girder]

Oh, ok, thanks!

[tropic smelt]

Can you find a seed that’s rocket ship favorable (preferably first shop or second shop)

(Or tell me how)

[rapid stirrup]

why tho, by ante 10 you'd only get 12$ per round, and that's with hieroglyph and petroglyph

not that crazy, compared to other stuff

[cloud girder]

It grows by 2$ per ante, so it's 23$ per round by ante 10 with hieroglyph and petroglyph

[rapid stirrup]

right, my point still stands 23$ is not much

[cloud girder]

Well, 23$ by ante 10 is not that good, but 7-9$ by ante 4 is nice

[rapid stirrup]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic smelt]

I just want cash ;) sure there’s perkeo and stuff but simple

[obtuse sierra]

need to find a seed that gives you gross michel 1st shop, it goes extinct by 2nd shop, you get cavendish in 2nd shop, but that goes extinct after the 1st boss blind

the "gross michel/cavendish gives and takes away" seed

[rapid stirrup]

if you want to find that with #1209513992519946250, there isn't currently a way to check when cavendish goes extinct, tho there's already cavendish on round 2 filter

[pallid saffron]

cavendish% speedrun seed

[pallid saffron]

Should probably add that too

I may have a cavendish extinct function already

Yeah I do - should only need a quick update to cavendish filter

[rapid stirrup]

Oh, I guess I didnt notice it

[tropic smelt]

immolate seems very fast

[sour fractal]

big blind shop 1st ante golden ticket 3rd ante

[slender minnow]

do we know of any seed that has to the moon and seed money

[cloud girder]

The one that I got when I won my only gold stake win, didn't save it though

[gleaming jetty]

Is there any documentation as to how seeds work? I watched some Balatro U videos where he says each ante has its own Joker queue, but I'm able to get inconsistent results by choosing a Charm Tag mid ante (seemingly messing with the queue)

[astral siren]

So I got an interesting seed that I’m not the best at exploring maybe someone can do some crazy things with it so the seed is ZRCT3DNP, so basically you used the checkered deck and you skip the first two blinds, once you beat the boss you can get the Ancient Joker for free and once you open the spectral pack in the same store you get an ankh so you get double Ancient Joker. Things don’t get interesting until the second blind of the next ante where you can pick up the Smeared Joker, that’s where I found the potential. Also there are a lot of good vouchers in this seed specially the telescope and two vouchers that bring you back to the previous ante. If anyone wants to toy with this let me know, for reference I stumbled across this seed and was easily able to complete the gold stake on the checkered deck so I think it’s got potential.

[ruby rose]

So chat

How fast can you get $1000?

[astral siren]

Also there’s a blueprint early in a jumbo buffoon pack

[rapid stirrup]

I explained it for buffoon packs yesterday, but it applies to all packs

Say you see 2 buffoon packs in shop: mega and normal. 
If you open mega first, you'll get first 4 cards. Then normal pack has wee and burglar
If you open normal first, you get swash and scholar. Then in mega pack you get smiley, crazy, wee and burglar.```

[storm viper]

Is there a seed that has mostly face cards?

[loud summit]

Do you know details about how heiroglyph/petro changes the queue?

I assume from what i've tested that it generates you into a brand new queue, basically that when you use the voucher you now have some secret ante value, for instance, ante 5->6 but visually shows -2.

But its just guesswork, do you happen to know how it actually works?

[rapid stirrup]

Heh I don't get the question

Didn't you already figure out that it changes the queue to the previous ante queue?

[loud summit]

Oh, wait that's how it really does work? I was just wildly speculating

[rapid stirrup]

I didn't rly look into the code much either

but it seems to make sense

[pallid saffron]

Charm Tag and Arcana Packs in the same ante use the same queue

[pallid saffron]

I think it does this

[tender ridge]

Seed?

[worldly schooner]

best joker guys

well except for double chicot

[pallid saffron]

Eternal Egg

[rapid stirrup]

eternal egg still has sell value

[tropic smelt]

Eternal egg = cash negative popcorn = negative cash

[craggy mountain]

FUP65W75, first blind has buffoon pack, invisible joker is in it, and next blind has ancient joker

[pure idol]

quick tip if u play this, both packs have the same cards (other than the 2 more in the bigger one)

[quaint dome]

Temperance value

[pallid saffron]

swashbuckler too

[pure idol]

played wrong suit lol

w seed tho

[astral siren]

Does anyone know how to go thru your old seeds I had one that had a lot of potential but didn’t save it

[rapid stirrup]

There is no such technology yet

[white spindle]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2379780/discussions/0/4357869564399529080/

No one have posted a seed

[rapid stirrup]

😭

[molten turtle]

literally everything in those paragraphs are wrong

[prime python]

do you need erratic deck for the all 10 seed?

[rapid stirrup]

yes'

[tropic smelt]

This is blasphemy

(Just high card or flush + abstract and you make ante 3)

((Maybe not high card but some people can probably set up for it))

[hot spruce]

takes like this are so ass bro

[tropic smelt]

One, 10 hours for a win is a bit, do they know +mult than xmult?

Two, that’s a lot of bad luck and do they know how to eco?

[hot spruce]

yeah i feel like they just don’t know how to make money

and automatically assume xmult is better than +mult

so by ante 3 they have like a constellation joker or something that’s at 1.4x

but it’s only multiplying a flush hand that has like 10 base mult

[rapid stirrup]

I think they probably tunnel vision into jokers that "worked" for them, ignoring the other good options, that might not sound good but are decent to get your run going

[hot spruce]

i kinda do the same thing sometimes

like if i’m in an ante one shop and see one of the stupid ass four of a kind jokers

that give you like +20 mult

i’ll skip it

and then die later

when i could have probably survived

[rapid stirrup]

4oak is hard to get so I don't blame you lol

it'd only be viable on abandoned

[hot spruce]

if you are using 3 5 card discards and 2 5 card hands you’ll draw half your deck

more than that on abandoned

[rapid stirrup]

from the jokers I personally underestimated, shoot the moon is on top of the list lol

[hot spruce]

yeah shoot the moon can go hard if used correctly

[rapid stirrup]

consistency is the problem

anyways, we are going off topic

[hot spruce]

true

[twin cairn]

Pasting this here, super early double Brainstorm + Triboulet, insanely good good (yellow deck)

[loud summit]

The dev thinks people can 100% win white chip? are they memeing or is that a real quote (i assume its fake, but was just wondering)

[vernal gate]

i think you can beat any seed with any deck white stake

idk if the dev said that specifically but i think it's a very valid argument

[calm gale]

is there any way i can get to a certain point in a run again without having a recording? i have the seed but i made a stupid mistake and i want to see what the run couldve been like

[odd walrus]

Is there an erratic deck that is the same as a normal deck?

[pallid saffron]

I can probably write an Immolate filter to find ones as close as possible to a normal deck

(Most number of unique cards)

[molten turtle]

yeah it's very unlikely any specific set of 52 cards in erratic exists

[ember basin]

its not just 52! chance right

[pallid saffron]

It’s more complicated than that but still low enough that 2.3 trillion possible seeds probably won’t include a perfect replica of a normal deck

[dense minnow]

Hi I am new to this game and discord but I am completely in love with the game itself and the joker named Hack. So I am searching for a great hack seed because every time I find him I can't get it together and lose lol. I hope this is the right channel to post this in

[molten turtle]

damn you should have been around last demo, hack was like THE joker then lol

[frozen rain]

It's 52! in 52^52 for each seed, or about 1 in 2 sextillion

[dry lava]

@dense minnow with the search bar at the top right of the server you can do very specific searches.

in:(name of server channel you want to search) (the actual word or phrase you're looking for)

so what you'd want to type is:

in: 🌱・seed-chat hack

there's plenty of other search queries and you can even combine them to help find what you want

[dense minnow]

@dry lava thanks! I will try that

[frigid heron]

BQ6N3MYL
Double Polychrome Sock n Buskin

[carmine ivy]

ok someone more talented than me can try this lol, started with a holo invisible joker, got dupe dna, then i found invisible again

would get a 3rd dna but i'm not good enough for this seed

[steady basin]

I want a seed that has negative perkeo first shop and as many negative blueprint and brainstorm (naturally or with tags)

[icy ravine]

I see

I had one

I think

[mint kraken]

you trying to optimize your strat?

thats basically the seed im working on xd

im having a few problems with the seed searcher program but its basically already done with the filter

while its not looking for a negative perkeo its looking for all the things you need to improve your score

[raw mural]

we're looking for a queen heavy erratic deck start for a french charity event

please help, seed hunters !

[languid bay]

hi guys! lets say i play a run with a seed that gives me a rare joker in first shop, do i still get that joker if i didnt ulock it yet? TY ^^

[final cedar]

you don't get unlocks in seeded runs

[languid bay]

no thats not the question

im not asking if i can unlock something im asking if i can get the joker in the run

(the seeded one)

[pallid saffron]

[languid bay]

thanks!

[iron wasp]

Are instant perkeo seeds rare? Found one from first skip: 18N9DQZ1

And then lost on big blind because I tried to make spade flush and didn't draw any spades 😭 My fault tho missed a full house

This is a nice start though 🙂

[mild ferry]

How the heck do people manage to find these seeds naturally, I’ve played so many games and have yet to get a soul card

[iron wasp]

I was literally restarting if I didnt see a mega arcana in the first 2 skips. I got lucky cause ive seen 3 different legendaries so far and the rate is 0.3 for each one in a pack, so 1.5% in a mega arcana pack. Ive heard there's program that keep searching until they find a soul card, which I imagine can't be that hard to gpt a program of cause Ive made similar things to that before

[iron wasp]

A4LJIBGS is the seed

[pallid saffron]

lol

I think ChatGPT would struggle to recreate the program unless you let it use Lua (like the game itself)

[iron wasp]

Ive used pycharm to run a program like it before. Image search for mega arcana tag about 3 seconds, if none found, hold r. If found, press button to the right of arcana logo, wait 2 seconds, if soul joker found from image search, break, if not, hold r.

[mild ferry]

Rip didn’t know holding r reset game, I was about to beat a challenge run

And held r

[iron wasp]

Limit image search to search only small blind tag to avoid it detecting one from big blind and to optimize. All of this sounds very doable

[pallid saffron]

Oh you mean image searching
That’s actually the way I used to do it before I realized you can get the game code pretty easily if you have the game

[icy ravine]

funny seed : 4JIWTRXB

[keen lance]

That’s… a great idea for getting the souls into collection

[pallid saffron]

I have a really old program that used to do that with spectral tags (back when they could spawn in ante 1)

[pallid saffron]

With judgement you could get most other jokers, too

[molten turtle]

lmao i remember that

[analog swan]

cat with soul seed drivers license: 6Y16UHDW (ghost deck)

[edgy sentinel]

Q513NVX6 on blue deck can go to ante 7's boss blind while skipping every other blind

[keen lance]

Yeah, fair. Test for any of those packs, with a list of things with highest to lowest rarity, like checking for soul over judgement, and removing elements from the lot as it acquires them. I believe it’d need to play the next to count them, right?

[ripe shell]

B5N3CEEC on checkered deck is lowkey cracked if you ||get the observatory voucher and use perkeo + blueprint to scale it with jupiter.||

[blazing owl]

How does rerolling work with seeds? Like is each shop independent or do they need to be balanced with each other

[keen lance]

Rerolling applies to knowing in advance what will appear, like with what cards you draw from discards

[keen lance]

Also some things affect stuff, such as adding cards to your deck from packs changes card draw RNG

Buying a voucher can change the following ones vs skipping it

[nova wharf]

'

[gloomy harness]

Does anyone have a link to a ressource that explains exactly how seeds/rng work ?

Specifically i'm trying to understand how vouchers are randomly picked for the shop restock (and voucher tag), since a voucher you didn't take can reappear later in the shop (And take the place of a voucher you should have gotten instead - as far as i understand)

I'd also like to understand how for a given seed, the game picks what to put in place of an item a player hasn't unlocked yet

[gloomy harness]

The crazy implications is that some seeds are way better without some unlocks. Especially regarding vouchers. I was thinking about the Baron/Perkeo/Cryptid High card build : You're basically only interested in Overstock Plus, Reroll Gut, Tarot Tycoon, Antimatter, Petroglyph, Palette (Maybe Liquidation, Money Tree and Retcon - Maybe Observatory but i doubt it beats having more copies of Cryptid).

For Endless mode, Nacho Tong and Recyclomancy are pretty often useless. Planet Tycoon is downright bad for your econ

(And yet i think they make the game better, i'm just talking about having fun breaking seeds)

[meager fjord]

Is there a way to sort seeds based on the number of likes

[loud summit]

If i had to guess you have a pool of available vouchers, and it picks randomly from that pool, based on your ante, with extra vouchers going further into that antes voucher queue. But i do not know for sure.

[loud summit]

Yes, limited accounts are strong. It is implied that for any competitive achievement you are playing on a fully unlocked profile, doing anything else would be unfair.

And will be immidiately noticable when trying to verify whatever run you did, since the verifiers will be using a fully unlocked profile and will not be able to replicate your run using the same seed.

But its a single player game at the end of the day, so its not like it's up to anyone else how you go about playing the game.

[blazing owl]

Has anyone been able to get name-inf before beating the final boss?

[keen lance]

Most things make a list, and it goes through the list in order, skipping anything that you don’t have unlocked/available in a run. I.E. a seed I’m mapping out to send, first voucher is reroll one, if I take it next voucher is the upgrade. But if I don’t take it, it can’t give the upgrade, so it skips to the next thing on the list, the hand size voucher

It also may be a separate list from ante 1, like shops are

[dire turret]

I have a seed that got me to e40 and has potential for e60 (near the end I took luchador as failsave for hearts are debuffed because I couldn't find reroll voucher for like 17 antes, but turtle bean gets offered eventually which should be x3.6e10 extra mult which is like +e20 for plasma deck) but I honestly don't remember how I got there so is it worth making a post in #1156061354076155944 since I rerolled an arbitrary amount of times and I don't even remember when or how I found the required dna

this is that ending screen but it relied heavily on me finding dna somewhere before ante 3

my double mime+blueprint+baron were also multiple rerolls deep sometimes on god knows which ante

[random schooner]

are there resources that could show me how to use the immolate program a little better i dont know much ab using command prompt

[mint kraken]

Using the command line input isn't the hard part, the harder part is understanding how to make filters. If CLI is truly the problem I can help with that

[random schooner]

yeah any help would be appreciated just reading through all the filters is kind of intimidating lol

[mint kraken]

#1209513992519946250 you should ask in that channel for any questions you have

[pallid saffron]

For starting out, try opening the Immolate CLI and just type immolate and press enter. This should print out a bunch of seeds that have a lot of the same rank on erratic deck. From there, any options can be specified with a letter after a dash. For instance -f double_legendary will search for seeds with two legendaries in round 1 and -n 1000000 will search 1 million seeds in total

[slate otter]

whats the best way to see every outcome for a set seed? i wanted to try to replay a certain run i did but i don't remember everything i did, is there a program to do this or should i just keep trying?

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209513992519946250
Try Immolate, you can do exactly what you want to do with the command immolate -f analyzer -n 1 -s SEED1234

[slate otter]

oh ok thank you 🙂

[pallid saffron]

I plan to make a web version of this at some point in the near future, too

[shrewd pecan]

Makings of a good start to a purple stake run

[jagged topaz]

anyone know the double oops all sixes lucky card seed that skooite play awhile back

[tiny peak]

he usualy puts them in his discriptions

[devout garnet]

DFDK16RL - with this seed, you can skip the first blind for a brainstorm in the shop, then dig for a straight flush with diamonds 8-Q to get a polychrome brainstorm round 2, then mime and baron are both obtainable within the second ante, then clubs straight flush for the boss ante

[jagged topaz]

he didnt :9]

[woven spoke]

Anyone have a seed for discard a royal flush?

[onyx shard]

seeds won't work for unlocking

[woven spoke]

ouf. Guess have to go hunting this

[onyx shard]

just play round 1 on red/painted deck and hold r if you don't get the royal.

[woven spoke]

Wouldnt it be easier with checkered?

[onyx shard]

yeah, checkered too

[woven spoke]

Thanks will do that!

[onyx shard]

don't forget to keep 1 discard for actually discarding the royal though

would be oof moment if you draw that to your hand but 0 discards

[woven spoke]

Got it! Thanks again 😄

[slow reef]

JXZAERFY
playing on the beta,
got this about ante 5 soon after got buisness card and 8 ball, if you want to experiment with lucky card stuff this is a good seed for it

negative all 6s wasnt with a tag or anything iirc

Also just checked because i was playing white stake that run, the madness in the boss of ante 1 shop's booster pack is eternal

[slow reef]

got lucky cat rerolling after ante 3 boss

not sure if that pulls from the ante 3 or ante 4 reroll pool

negative all 6s rerolling at the ante 4 boss

[slow reef]

more enticing screenshot

[lapis phoenix]

L

[hot spruce]

it’s so beautiful…

[solar walrus]

managed to get this which i think is quite cool
if anyone wants the seed i'll give it when i'm done, ping me :)

[solar walrus]

could do better, but that was a fun run

[azure hornet]

VXDL8URC
Baron in first shop

[keen lance]

I used 2 stencils for the 4 joker unlock

I got antimatter so they were x3 is was awesome

I used dagger for the flat mult

[patent sigil]

Play on ghost deck got stencil, anch and two invisible jokers for the easiest orange stake ever

Has potential for some fun builds with two invisible is anyone wants a try

[quick solstice]

BJSPMRLK

just got this seed to ante 18, its got faceless joker in frist baffoon pack, polychrome brainstorm from judgment early on and the possibility to ank it, baron, mime, and blueprint too, also i was able to abuse the joker that creates tarot card when blind is selected and burned joker later on got me to high card lvl 50.

if anyone wants to try it has lots of room for improvement

[crude hollow]

9BJP5A26 perkeo first skip arcana pack, big blind shop has spectral pack with ankh 1.0.1

[magic storm]

what deck i keep getting canio

[crude hollow]

tried with ghost and anaglyph irc, ghost works best though due to shop cryptids

[pallid saffron]

Make sure you’re playing on the experimental branch

[cloud girder]

Are there known seed where Cavendish self-destructs?

[pallid saffron]

#1211320933650792468 message

Round 5, too

[cloud girder]

Thanks!

[quaint mango]

hello. im currently playing on ps5 and game keeps crashing doing a seeded naneinf run with around 80 cryptids. any fix?

[mild ferry]

How many cryptids do you need to go naneinf?

[wispy lodge]

For a seeded run, is the first legendary you get always the same? Even if it’s on like ante 5?

Because if not I may have found a possible naneinf seed

[pallid saffron]

Not on gold stake

[wispy lodge]

Ah I see, thank you! Still got an interesting seed that can get around e100

[haughty ore]

Does anyone have any fun ps5 seeds?

[cloud girder]

Really depends on your jokers and cards you copy

[eternal glen]

All seeds work with the PS5 version besides the new experimental version on PC I’m pretty sure

[slow reef]

back to back (beta)

XT6KUPLS

negative card sharp and ramen

ante 1 boss and ante 2 first shop

no tags

[pliant horizon]

TT5UUIGV
Who needs hand size anyway? This is in public beta

First buffon pack and spectral pack after the first boss blind

[edgy valve]

Have people thuroughly explores the TUTORIAL seed

[dawn kindle]

noob question, how does specified seeds interact if i haven't discovered all jokers?

[timid pier]

the game pulls from the “reroll” queue and shows a different joker

[dawn kindle]

interesting, thanks!

[blazing owl]

Normally it’s like 40ish but you can enter it in a calculator with how many baron/mimes you have to find out

[onyx shard]

For reference, I did 2 BS + 1 Baron + 1 Mime which took me about 70+ Cryptids to make a hand of 150 red seal kings, and ended up with e322 score.

If you want to check, calculate how much Xmult you can get from 1 King, then how many Kings you need to stack that Xmult to close to around e305-307 (hand LV, chips and other stuff will affect this)

[crude hollow]

with 5 baron procs, i played a retrigger polychrome steel flush five king hand, with 260 more kings in hand from cryptids. About 70% of them were used before naneinf was acheived

[strange briar]

5 Stuntman on Plasma

[gritty girder]

Wait blueprint/Brainstorm only copies the chips and not the hand size right?

[proud harness]

yea

[vital mural]

Probably one of many baron/mime/blueprint seeds, but feel free to try it out. Just have a plan for plant

[crude hollow]

ENU7NIPY another epic lucky cat seed, cat drops later

hanging chad is vital

[split tartan]

Is there a list for every glitched spades run?

[pallid saffron]

There are four known seeds with that:
BGY5SDS
36756M6I
7LB2WVPK
XEQH7CP9

[split tartan]

Isn’t it 5? Or am I trippin

[pallid saffron]

iirc these are all the ones that have been found

[icy wagon]

#1228158101304119296 message

made a small mod to seed challenge runs

[blazing owl]

how do you make saves when routing seeds?

[kind bluff]

Any good lucky card seeds? Something with Oops all 6's and Lucky Cat early. All the ones i saw in the seeds chat get Lucky Cat late into the run

[keen lance]

4U262M5M
Mega interest and ante 4? Had yorick, Sadly died too early to get my $400 unlock

[worldly whale]

44JDNCD6

If y'all want a good White Stake run, here you go.

[vague pumice]

found a seed with perkeo triboulet blueprint and dna within ante 3 but theres a boss blind with face card debuff at like ante 6

so tragic

[abstract tinsel]

Do I pick up pereidolia here? If so what do I sacrifice?

[prisma torrent]

with Sock & Buskin, Paredolia is largely a straight upgrade from Dusk

you retrigger all cards every hand instead of just your last hand

only downside is if you have to fight The Plant you just. lose

[abstract tinsel]

I was planning on thinning my deck to only face cards anyways that’s why I was hesitant

[prisma torrent]

ahh fair enough

then... maybe it's Photograph? you could make up for it by having the Blueprints stacked on S&B

then all of your cards are triggering 4 times each

[abstract tinsel]

Fair enough I only picked up photograph because I have no + or x multi jokers rn

[prisma torrent]

photograph isn't bad but it could be better

once you have 4 triggers of each card, I think it's a matter of enhancing cards so they give wild amounts of bonuses

[prisma torrent]

also, fwiw, I think with this joker setup (ignoring Paredolia), stacking the Blueprints on S&B is better? because I believe it will still trigger Photograph multiple times

the "first" face card activates 4 times

actually wait. that means it's X16. shit

maybe it is better to lose dusk. that's pretty strong

though it's before jokers are scored so it's not as good arrggghh

[vital mural]

Do seeds always run the same RNG effects? Say I sell an invisible joker in the same seed across multiple runs at the same point

does it always copy the same thing?

[lilac seal]

Is this (Ante 2) worth sharing ?

[unreal knot]

pretty sure that's how it works

[worldly whale]

H8T88L2T - Red Deck Snowballs on White Stake.

[gloomy verge]

Hey is there a chance this seed gets good? My run was ok I guess I got to ante 12 but there might have been SOMETHING I missed that makes it go above and beyond #1228385553091919962

[modern vapor]

Would a seed with Negative Trousers on the second shop be worth posting?

[silk raft]

Z7R3IS61

just fire.

[crude hollow]

MEATB661 i don't remember what i did to get this but I think it involved an invisible joker

[crude hollow]

X7RZY5PB lucky cat seed with oops all 6s and bloodstone somewhere

[fresh oak]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1228489360173694986 I think I will make a video on this seed

[idle bison]

9H4THPXK double tag rare joker first 2 skips, gives blueprint and driver's license(nah)
ante 2 round 1 shop gives dna and vampire, round 2 shop gives baron

[distant brook]

KB1X4QEI

found this start while attempting to test my mod. didn't even see what else it had to offer. have fun.

U4AYDYD9

and another one.

[midnight furnace]

does talking about a tournament using a seed count for this

?

[pallid saffron]

Try the seed 9

[midnight furnace]

anyone wanna try a seed for a tourney im doing

Kyira000
if you get a good score you can ping me and i can add it to my scoreboard

i need more than 3 people man

[slow reef]

5NEYZH3X

absolutely insane seed

if you double skip on anaglyph

you beat the boss by discarding everything but jacks queens and aces

if you do youll pull a jack queen full house then a 4 of a kind aces

the shop will have blackboard and the booster will have baseball and wee joker

skip the first tag of ante 2 and due to doubling you get blueprint and brainstorm for free in ante 2

this seed has tons of crazy stuff

you can get a DNA later

and a hologram

i found a mime a couple times but i cant find anywhere yet to get a braon

ill probably look through the seed again some other time but this would def be one thats worth looking into if ur interested

[high nimbus]

K5WFXKPQ

You start off with Holographic Brainstorm after you beat the first small blind. The shop also has Merry Andy, a Buffoon Pack, a Spectral Pack, and the Paint Brush voucher. I got very far because soon after you get blueprint. You also get dna, the family, and rocket. Insane seed and I had a ton of fun with it

[quasi zinc]

D31ZXRN6

Just got my first random seed naneinf

Can go back through to figure out the exact route, but it had perkeo in one of the ante 2 or 3 shops, and blueprint and brainstorm very early as well. Invisible joker ended up copying perkeo which was a bit annoying. Baron was also quite early, and mime came before endless.

cryptid came from copied seance in about ante 4 or 5

[high nimbus]

Amazing vampire run with Medusa

[unreal yew]

74L36YFM

a good run

[eternal glen]

I assume it’s the new build because it’s not working for me

[thick elbow]

does anyone have a seed with a perishable, negative joker?

[lofty ivy]

VM3YYL17 3 legendary run

[slow reef]

ooh yeah sorry i forgot to mention

you can tell because the jokers are free after the skip tag anyway

just ran it again on current patch, booster added in the beta pushes the joker queue forward slightly but you still get invisible blueprint

gonna try and run it and see if i can get both because thats an insane seed regardless

[eternal glen]

Maybe on gold deck you can on base version?

[slow reef]

but you wouldnt get the double tag to get both rare jokers

ok solved

the reason you double skip in ante 1 in the beta version

is the added booster ends up with 2 really great options and there arent really any other good jokers to pick up in ante 1

so instead on the public version you can play those 2 antes and pick up crazy joker to get you through the the rounds with enough money to buy them both

a couple extra steps but basically the same outcome

[pallid saffron]

It doesn’t push it; the rarity changes cause it to “jitter”

[slow reef]

ah cool cool

i dont know the specifics

brainstorm is in the pack at the end of the ante

seed might actually be better than the beta just takes some more work

invisible joker gives you brainstorm

[jolly fossil]

looking for a specific kind of seed, anyone know how one might go about that?

i had a seed the other day i wish i wrote down, i found it myself but a similar seed would be cool to explore. i had hack and hiker on abandon deck

[gritty girder]

I have played one but I don't write down my seeds :/

[gritty girder]

#1223440056358932592 message

[slow reef]

i had one im pretty sure the other day with like double hack

im gonna go check if i can find it

[blissful moth]

Found a triple burnt joker seed

Burnt Joker and 2 blueprints (first blueprint is in the very first buffoon pack, second comes from an ankh in the first spectral pack, which is free if you skip ante 2’s small blind)

1ZYBA5L5

Also starts with a free driver’s license

[slow reef]

P8TTQ1HF on the public beta its double skip and then hack is in the booster

next booster on ante 2 has hiker

[blissful moth]

Oh are seeds different depending on game version

[slow reef]

if you do it on the current version they show up in the same booster

[blissful moth]

Just in general though will a seed in the beta have different stuff in 1.0.0

[slow reef]

the addition of the new booster pack and some changes to the rarities of jokers has made it so things show up in a slightly different order

[blissful moth]

Ah I see

[slow reef]

just a little bit later

usually

[blissful moth]

My seed I found is in the beta

[slow reef]

so for the most part outside of super specific ordering like the thing i just said

[blissful moth]

Trying to min max this shit

[slow reef]

it will still mean cards show up in the same antes

you might just need to roll an extra time or something

[pallid saffron]

It’s not ordering. Some cards just won’t show up

[slow reef]

i assume thats because of rarity changes

oh i get what ur saying

yeah order is probably the wrong words

[pallid saffron]

What happens is that the game picks a random joker from the uncommon jokers. And with the changes that list is a different size and ordered a bit differently

[blissful moth]

Just occurred to me that the free driver’s license doesn’t matter because you’ll be destroying it if you want double blueprint

[slow reef]

i just meant like changes in rarities and additional jokers added to each seed due to the extra booster means that things show up in slightly different spots

[blissful moth]

Ah I see

[slow reef]

example

beta version boosters

current version boosters

foils proc on the same slots and various cards are the same between the two

[main wasp]

w8 i didnt lose

[slow reef]

but slight reordering means that they show up in the different sized packs and a few different jokers take their place

[pallid saffron]

It looks like reroll queue logic got changed

[midnight furnace]

my tourneys seed is pretty fun

976 trillion is pretty good

(by ante 8 mind you)

[gritty girder]

Oh

Ante 8 976T?

Holy

[edgy valve]

So does the seed logic have certain patterns for what seeds have certain jokers within a certain amount of draws?

I.E. the alphanumeric order of the seed dictates that like Flower Pot shows up at the 27th joker unless an Uncommon tag draws it first

Or is that something outside the capability of solving?

[midnight furnace]

idk 🤷‍♀️

[stone coral]

I’m far from an expert, but I believe each ante has a “shop queue” of jokers that it will show in the same order always. Rerolls and moving to the next blind’s shop push forward that queue, showing the next 2-4 jokers/consumables in turn. So for example, you could know that the Flower Pot is the 20th thing in the shop queue on ante 3, but if you go to ante 4 then the previous queue is gone so you can no longer get Flower Pot unless it shows up in another queue. If you already have the joker/consumable (and you don’t have Showman) then it rerolls that specific item into something else

Packs use a similar method, having a specific queue each ante. So if the Arcana queue is let’s say
Magician > Hermit > Emperor > Devil > Justice > Temperance > Death > Moon
And you open a size 3 pack followed by a size 5 pack, you’d get

Magician, Hermit & Emperor
Devil, Justice, Temperance, Death, & Moon

While if you did the 5 size first, you’d get

Magician, Hermit, Emperor, Devil & Justice
Temperance, Death, Moon

So if you know you want to use Justice and Death, opening the 5 first is much better

As for how the seed “alphanumerically” works, I don’t think there’s any way of seeing a seed and knowing anything about what will show up in it unless you use a seed searcher tool. The seeds are just, well, seeds for how the RNG will run through its random numbers, it doesn’t inherently say anything about what will show up since it’s just the source of random numbers

[edgy valve]

So tl;dr is we know the logic just not the parameters dictating the logic

[pallid saffron]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209513992519946250

We know the parameters too (pretty much)

[edgy valve]

Are the parameters fully manupilatable or only to a degree

[pallid saffron]

I would say partially, but it depends on your definition

[edgy valve]

You talk about the possible divide by 0 logic causing the erratic bug and also crashes but to what extent can the outcome be manipulated by the parameters

[pallid saffron]

The way Immolate finds seeds is pretty much brute-force, there’s no known ways to optimize yet

[stone coral]

We can find things using a seed searcher, but I don’t think we could ever know what a seed holds just by looking at it due to how randomness… exists. A random number generator takes a “seed” number and randomly makes numbers based on that seed, which are used to generate the jokers/consumables/cards you see in a run. Same seed will always equal the same random numbers in the same order. But if you alter just one character in the seed then every number changes wildly, I’m very confident there’s no fixed “A = rare joker early, 8 = ectoplasm shows up early, etc.” since a tiny change changes everything about the run

[pallid saffron]

The main RNG factors are Lua’s math.random function and a homemade hashing function

Both are pretty complex

[edgy valve]

So the seed we see vs the seed that operates the machine are, technically, wildly different from one another

[pallid saffron]

Internally the seed in the game state is a list of numbers from 0 to 1

But it’s all generated based on the seed

Interestingly there was a bug in one of the demos that caused some seeds to have the exact same things because the first number they generated were the same

[edgy valve]

I assume the logic has been altered to not let that happen?

The reason I initially thought of this question was the idea of running a seed type like 1000 times and see if there was a general pattern, like if the first 2 digits were always A1 and the rest didnt matter. Would all 1000 seeds have the same set of jokers, tarot, planets, ect at roughly around the same spot give or take a roll/pack or 2

[pallid saffron]

It has

[sullen cloak]

does anyone want this seed

[edgy valve]

Blueprint/Riff seems...redundant? You get 1 more joker I suppose but you also miss a joker

Unless its Black Deck

[sullen cloak]

i just took both to see the seed

[pallid saffron]

It’s not like that all

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1201758568022286407
Here’s the bug report if you’re curious, it was a little close to what you’re mentioning

That’s just because the pseudohash of those seeds were the same

Two seeds with the same hash value would have all the same properties in that version, but that was changed to patch the bug

[edgy valve]

Go ahead a post I suppose. Couldnt hurt to run it on Black Deck and see

[sullen cloak]

bruhhhhhh

how do i check seed mid run

eh ill just

copy the save

7KLA6LLJ

[leaden sandal]

Oh, neat, I had seen the spot in pseudoseed() where the pseudorandom[key] gets averaged with the hashed_seed, and saw the "or 0" with hashed seed, but not the pseudorandom[key]; I bet that was the same thing that happens with the buggy erratic decks, but on the initial hashed seed

[gritty girder]

MABCVAIV : Mime + Perkeo+ Yorick + Caneo (Caneo only appear in special circumstances idk why)

||Also there's cryptid if spectral deck||

It's not my seed i found it somewhere in this discord

[pallid saffron]

Similar but not exactly like this

[stone coral]

The bottom line is that a seed is just the beginning of a wildly randomized list of numbers. If you change that first number even slightly, every single one after it changes a ton, because they’re all based on the entire seed at once. There aren’t different spots.

I think what you’re confusing it with is a save in a game, which saves a snapshot of a gamestate so it can be gone back to later. In those there are typically hard programmed meanings for different things, such as the first two digits being the player’s max HP value or something. Despite both being ways to replay something, a seed and a save are fundamentally different with little overlap

[silk ferry]

NG62BL86

in 1.0.0n - I just ran it, so don't have the exact locations but I got Perkeo, Brainstorm within the first ~ 2 antes from packs without any significant rerolls, etc.
Made it to Ante 12 with Bull, Burnt Joker - copying Temperance + Burnt Joker pairs. I think this can scale significantly more.

In this case, was playing Plasma Deck White Stake, but probably good on other decks

[sudden wagon]

Guys, do any one of you know an early midas mask and vampire seeds? I never been successful building an face synergy deck

Kinda wanna try with seeds (I already give up lol)

[gritty girder]

Well i have a good midas mask seed There's no Vampire but There's Pareidolia and caneo

[ocean plume]

how do people do the optimazization of seeds when they find a good one? is there mods that makes it easier or whats happening? im new to seed opting.

[whole jacinth]

They most likely play it over and over

[ocean plume]

but is there mods to make it easier to do

[pallid saffron]

There’s an analyzer that you can use to list the contents of a seed. That and copying savefiles to reset faster

[ocean plume]

oh, do you need a beefy computer for it? also is there a tutorial on how to download and use it?

[meager fjord]

Yeah, how to use the Analyzer?

[ocean plume]

@pallid saffron how use

[analog abyss]

do mods change how seeds work?

no right?

like if im modded and get a seed i want to show someone will it not work for them

[ocean plume]

so long as its not added cards or stuff like that ig?

best way to check is to launch in non modded and try the seed

[pallid saffron]

I’m working on getting it onto a website so it should be easier to use but for now:

• Download the latest version of Immolate: https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209513992519946250
• Open the Immolate CLI and run the command immolate -f analyzer -n 1 -g 1 -s <SEED>

[pallid saffron]

If a mod adds jokers, the joker queue will be different. If a mod adds tarots, the tarot queue will be different. And so on…

[meager fjord]

How do I search for Black Stake runs?

[pallid saffron]

In the code of the filter, you can change the stake from White_Stake to Black_Stake

[ocean plume]

i might need more help, immolate opened in visual studio and commands aint working

[meager fjord]

Umm....how to access that,
In the filters folder there are many files with names like analyzer.cl , cavendish.cl....

[ocean plume]

how did u get it to run @meager fjord im stuck here

[pallid saffron]

Make sure to download from the releases and open the Immolate CLI

[ocean plume]

uuh, i dont have a file that is named CLI

[pallid saffron]

https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Immolate/releases/tag/v1.0.0n.2
Make sure you download from here (not the source code)

[ocean plume]

only c and cl

aah mb

[meager fjord]

Yeah, I downloaded it from here but how do I change the stake

[ocean plume]

i still dont have CLI file

[pallid saffron]

Open filters/analyzer.cl and replace this with Black_Stake

[pallid saffron]

Make sure to download Immolate.zip and unzip it

[ocean plume]

i have done that

[pallid saffron]

What does the file structure look like? Can you send a pic

[ocean plume]

could i screenshare it to you in a VC?

[pallid saffron]

There’s no VCs in this discord though

And I’m a bit busy rn so I can’t VC

There should be a shortcut file in the release called “Immolate CLI” that you can open

[ocean plume]

https://gyazo.com/51bbe8ac06ac1f3df692ff6708e2f389

[pallid saffron]

It looks like you have the wrong download

[ocean plume]

i downloaded from the link?

[pallid saffron]

https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Immolate/releases/download/v1.0.0n.2/Immolate.zip

You downloaded the source code before I think, this is the direct download for the executable

[ocean plume]

thanks, i got the CLI now

[meager fjord]

Got it, its working now

Thank you so much, its really helpful

[pallid saffron]

Also fair warning: it takes a very long time to build for some reason for some people

[spare steppe]

It's a Win10 exec ?

[pallid saffron]

Another reason why I’m trying to get it on a website in the near future

[pallid saffron]

The OpenCL code is built at runtime though

[spare steppe]

I'm just asking because I'm a Linux user

[pallid saffron]

Ah

Yeah I currently have it as a Windows exe, I remember someone was working on a Linux port

[spare steppe]

But it shouldn't have too much issues working on Linux with Wine/Proton

I'll try that once I'm back home

[pallid saffron]

Oh wait there’s no commits in that fork anyway

Yeah, wine shouldn’t have any issues

[spare steppe]

Welp, I'll experiment a bit if I run into issues

[pallid saffron]

Additionally porting it should be straightforward since all the code is in OpenCL pretty much, the exe itself just loads it and parses CLI args

[spare steppe]

Yeah

[pallid saffron]

I’m just bad at setting up build environments

[spare steppe]

Dw, I'll try using my usual settings, and it shouldn't have much issues

[meager fjord]

Wait, why is reroll queue different from shop queue? Shouldn't it be same?

[pallid saffron]

Reroll queue is when the game fails to generate an item

So if it tries to give you Blueprint when you already have it, it’ll pull the next rare from the reroll queue. It’s different than shop rerolls, they use the same queue

[meager fjord]

Ohk, got it so you can access reroll queue only if you have the same joker as shop queue and don't have showman

[pallid saffron]

Pretty much; a few other jokers also have conditions necessary in order to spawn

[crude hollow]

Y96AFYH1 this seed

this fucking seed

holy

shit

[quasi venture]

Holy fuck

[wild jewel]

This seed is pretty damn good ( 7424HL96 ) non experimental posted by KEKC

[pearl canopy]

I got to ante 17. bonkers seed fr

[compact garnet]

HE8LHKP3

[harsh bridge]

LNIM6N5F (this is legit my first post)

[frozen rain]

is there a seed that makes every arcana pack card into the soul?

[pallid saffron]

With the nature of the known bugs with seed RNG, that isn’t possible

[frozen rain]

the soul doesn't use the same rng?

[timid pier]

nope

[pallid saffron]

The bugged value (.992) will cause it to always NOT be souls (>.997)

[coarse cape]

Holy shit lmao

I'll share the seed when I finish the run

[tame hearth]

okay so I was looking at nan seeds and it looks like the problem is that if the hash number becomes too small, the next seed iteration will become so large that num%1 == 0, and then on the next iteration it will end up doing inf%1, which gives you nan

[pallid saffron]

What’s funny is math.randomseed is completely okay with using nan as an input

That’s the only reason why it works