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Ah you have multiple queues going on at the same time, right?
Iâm of a single track mind since I usually work with Python/Julia but also because I just wanted a simple example to work with
that can go really wrong really quickly
Also why is there lerping in the event queue
Timing is a huge part of Balatro and this system makes sense to me enough that I'm not fighting it all the time
Thatâs why I was confused and I asked bout it
I hope you're not handling rendering stuff like joker shakes in the middle of the event processing
But the game logic should be decoupled from the UI
At least mostly
Iâm still trying to understand when a Gold Card adds itself to the queue, which queue specifically, and how it goes in and out of the queue
So you don't screw one thing up when working on another
E.g. you should do the chip scoring in the background and then slowly display the results
Events don't draw anything to screen, but they can do whatever they want aside from that
See decoupling in The Pragmatic Programmer
Or really ask any professional about decoupling
Unrelated, but I reckon the original Space Invadersâ difficulty curve was a result of there being less objects in memory/on screen which made it run faster
so as you hit invaders they descended faster
OW
If the game works and I enjoy using these systems I don't think it's an issue
they didn't even try to maintain a steady framerate
or did they just think "meh, we'll just abuse that"
As long as I supply a modding interface when that time comes
I learned this supposed fact as a compliment towards the perfect balance of the game
Insert xkcd about heating spacebar
localthunk, could you share some insight for this question?
Of course if it doesn't matter if it doesn't bite you. Just know if it does bite you later you might have a really bad time
Does love2D support e.g. DLL loading?
natively I mean
end_round = []
class Gold(CardModifier):
def __init__(self,card):
super().__init__(card)
end_round.append(self.activate)
def on_card_leaves_hand(self,card):
end_round.remove(self.activate)
maybe sth like that
Itâs hidden in there when it firsts enters the queue
Also, okay, Gold Cards are fine but thereâs also Steel
Since Steel are per hand they need to go out of the queue when triggered
But theyâre still in your hand
So they need to go back in
No not like that, it's hard to describe really because my event queue isn't an 'event' in typical terms
In a way that doesnât break the game
(Again my idea would be to have listeners, so the actual events can go in a queue or a stack if youâre a MTG player)
It's more of a timing queue than anything. So the cards instantly trigger effects, and when the effect triggers they add the timing thing onto the queue so you see it all in order. Sometimes it's submitted from the card itself, sometimes from some external scoring loop
But how do they know how to trigger? I think that was my original question
class Steel(CardModifier):
def __init__(self,card):
super().__init__(card)
end_turn.append(self.on_hand)
def on_card_leaves_hand(self,card):
if self.on_hand in end_turn: end_turn.remove(self.on_hand)
def on_card_played(self,card):
end_turn.remove(self.on_hand)
def on_hand(self,hand):
self.activate()
end_turn.append(self.on_hand)
Note that on_hand is registered into end_turn
end_urn
and it calls activate then re-registers itself when a hand is played
Still there
Not anymore thereâs a blanket
I think localthunk was talking about event resolution rather than triggering I think
But I was asking about how do they know when to trigger
Alternatively:
class Steel(CardModifier,CustomListAction):
...
def on_leave(self,lis):
if lis is end_turn:
raise Refuse()
There's an external loop that asks every card possible what it contributes in order
For every event?
def score_cards(hand):
for card in hand:
card.score()
Thatâs something I would expect to be needlessly memory intensive, even if itâs easy
No before any events are added
And card.score adds events
Sorry, weâre using different terminologies
Yes
when it
is time to process them
I guess
I mean, if you know youâre only going to designs that respond to a specific action while in a specific place, you only need to check that place, but in principle you donât know that before designing the game
Maybe a card could affect my scoring while in the deck
Then you prolly need to add code that asks every card in the deck if it wants to does something at the appropriate time
Or have a register_special_events
which is called in the card constructor
which adds evt handlers
Hence why I was thinking with listeners and wondering when cards subscribe to listeners
If I play a high card, it asks:
- each played card what it contributes in terms of chips, mult, other effects
- each joker card what it contributes per played card (returns instantly if that joker isn't the type of joker that can)
- each card still in hand what it contributes, if anything
- each joker what it contributes for holo/foil edition, then effect, then Polychrome
Etc
This doesn't have a lot of overhead
There aren't that many cards to check and the ones that don't contribute also return instantly
Now I want to see how many cards does someone need to have in hand for this to take a long time
Maybe 200M+
Virtual calls are still insanely fast
Virtual calls?
i.e. polymorphically dispatched calls
as opposed to static calls to fixed functions whose addresses are known beforehand at compile time
You mean class methods?
Yeah, basically
in C++ it's more contrived because stackvars have static dispatch on everything but whatever
I guess this maybe faster not in Python
In python a memfn call also incurs a hash map lookup
unless you have __slots__
I know the conversation was ushered here, but this very much seems like a #dev-talk kind of discussion
Is that faster or slower
that's extra overhead
but even with THAT 5M+ in py is fine I think
Also to note I was also thinking of doing it in Julia where you can have typed arguments
I think itâs faster than Python but Idk how much it would be
@atomic arrow @terse basalt can you please take this to the #đ»ă»dev-talk channel? Great place to talk shop about coding practices
Isn't that for just THIS game dev only
Wait do we listen to the dev or to the mod? lol
uhh.... I didn't think so?
lol, thanks localthunk
I've lost the game.
Damn, tough luck. What hand made you fail?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2479950/Cosmos_Delivery_and_Logistics/
Oh, another Poker deckbuilder!
This one more in the vein of Dance of Cards (RPG, non-roguelike) than Balatro, but still sick
Ultra-long-haul space trucking doesn't normally provide much entertainment, but Cosmo has a nose for trouble â and a nose for poker games in particular. Luckily for him, the locals along Interstellar-81 are always up for a game. They just don't need to know about the ace up his sleeve...CHEAT Use your deck of cheat cards to change your hand, cha...
$9.99
Possibly the dumbest way to lose a run ever (Inscryption spoilers)
lol
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean
Iâd suggest playing the game, honestly one of my favourite oat
I just know you can eat Squirrels and later thereâs some mechanic for creating and upgrading cards
Also I guess the cards feel pain
I watched someone play against the Miner
Uhh not quite lol, but this game is really fun when playing it spoiler free so Iâd again suggest you get it
The deck building expects are really well done, same as the story
I donât know enough about what comes after in the game for it to seem interesting
WHYYYYYY
Hm?
Youâve doomed us all, po3 is going to take over the world
Avid inscryption player
Kaycees mod is dope asf
Fr itâs crazy how many different strats you can go for
Ong and also the strats when mods are added
Especially with the new cards
please spoiler tag this for the people who haven't played Inscryption yet
How is that a spoiler exactly?
Me, who only goes for unkillable goat every time:
||the existence of P03 and their intentions, both of which are spoilers for the full game||
No theyâre mentioned in the trailer if I remember correctly
The trailer is pretty vague... let's just move on from this topic and respect the mods requests moving forward.
damn that joker on CRACK
he smokin that zaza
hello
just use guardian bubble random growth joker and royal knight :clueless:
easy wins and counters these pesky ying yang losers with assassin rushers
also arena - the one that has 2 scope tiles
Guardian?? Lol
hehe
Itâs cool
@bleak mauve
You can make novel things with AI art, but many bad actors don't. The demand for things like anime-esque art for things like mobile games is going down because the game developers can get good enough quality assets (for a mobile game) at much lower cost with AI.
i have made so many suggestions in facehand discord. đ
Yeah, jobs will die out as a result of AI, that's how it tends to go when a new tech revolution happens. I don't think that's due to malice, commissioning art is expensive and if it's cheaper to use AI then that's a good thing!
I think the bigger issue is with the economic and political system these changes are occurring in rather than the technology itself
Not that Iâm gonna get into details given the rules of the server
hi
Awesome
commercial VO has already seem to have taken a liking to AI. We had a partner at my work recently send us some VO to implement, and it was done with AI (and tbh the quality was "just ok"), but it only cost them something like $250 for a ton of content with multiple variations. Did some LMS content for my work yesterday and they started using AI for the VO work in our training materials, too...
I mean, hasnât non-intelligent computer voices existed for a while now?
Yeah, that's fair. It has.
I did see that there is a battle royale FPS that is using it to generate VO, which on one hand does suck for voice actors, but on the other hand seems like a cool way to use it. I imagine that sports games might give this a go for the anouncers at some point, too.
@atomic arrow why not?

:||local||thunk:
@fading idol
:localthunk:
Oh god
im gonna binge play the entirety of the spirits of hell
Are there any good poker games besides balatro and poker quest?
Similar question, is there any good poker apps on ios that arent just ad city and pay to play
For such a popular game it seems woefully underrepresented in the pc gaming space
Well 106 hours later I've finished a campaign in Baldur's Gate 3 đ
me who has bad device so i cant plau this
Maybe try closing the app and opening it again
It randomly fix lol
Idk why this happened
Marvel Snap fanart
Random Dice Event stuff
Is that a sans? Lol
what are the odds đ
XD
when someone inevitably makes a Dio joker they gotta put this on the side
all arcana packs contain The World
lol
what game?
Random Dice:Roll Roll
The TBoI mod has a "suggestions" channel so I thought I'd throw my hat into the ring and spread Balatro propaganda
would you consider using any of these cards in a TBoI run?
What is this?
mod suggestion for a game called âThe Binding of Issacâ
I got into two friendly fights today and it made me realize how many guys just wanna fight and put each other into pins and such. Obviously you want to do this with people you know but do a lot of dudes wanna just fight people and then never do anything about it?
Idk, I'm more of a nerd who just lives his life at school, never really been in any fights.
Do you want to be in a fight?
Nah, Im fine with how I am at school. Id rather have little respect with no bruises vs respect with lots of bruises
(Also Im weak but thats besides the point)
but I gtg so gn
Goodnight
Well I usually just spar with my brother
It's a lot of fun and a great exercise
Itâs the dragonâs die
Fun fact
7 dot/star dot growth dice is the most USELESS in the game

lol
that dragon do looks cool
Have you played Dicey Dungeons? @verbal geyser
Itâs not a Tower Defense but it has anthropomorphic dice
The skill of growth dice is
Can growth 1 dot to myself and reroll it.
However it stop growing if 7dot
Hmm let me see

Dicey dungeons is a fun game
The game doesnât have a lot of spoilers
Yea
Rogue-like is my style
Not a roguelike but you might enjoy Super Auto Pets too, which was free last time I played it
||A||SAP

I know that game
However i busy grind random dice lul
I see
That thumbs-up anthropomorphic die is cute
I play almost 10000 Time lol
*only 1 season
I gonna go.
I gonna murde somebody in game real quick

story of my life
I'd need to learn more about the game to comment
You can try it
It free (ad) lol

You can also try DotA 2
lol
I mean if youâre asking the lane difference depends on the game
But the carry is the hero who can have the most impact if they get the most resources
And they can carry the team to victory
Not alone, usually, but with the right support
That is the weak point for me lol
Thatâs why I usually play support
Heal and find resources?
Usually only a few characters can heal others. The ones that can are usually supports, but not all supports heal
I think control is a more common tool
Hmmm
It can serve as healing (your opponents are unable to attack) but also as an offensive tool (they canât react to being attacked)
It so complicated
My brain is melting 
I donât know in that dice game, but usually tower defense games have support towers
Like towers that slow, freeze, or stun
Some dice can protect from debuff
You might have towers that recover lives too
But theyâre not usually the core damage dealers of your strategy I imagine
Usually those would be the carries in a moba
I imagine some dice need to be leveled up more than others
Some dice can build your dice to more stronger
If you can manipulate which ones level up first
Those would be carries or pos 1
(position)
There are 5 players on the team, so 1 gets the most resources and 5 the least
Hmm
There arenât many abilities that manipulate resources in DotA 2, but there are tasks any character can do that manipulate resources, and usually itâs the role of the supports (position 5) to do them
For example, you can manipulate the enemies so there are more enemies
Then the carry can kill the enemies to gain resources
Other MOBAs tend to not have this specific mechanic though
In my game
You also can co-op for reward
You can play with random rookie to help him
Or you can help partner to survive more wave by "support" them
By the way
The "Troll" dice ,some dice might have a support skill

Instead of decrease dot , it add dot to random target
I think both tower defense games and MOBAs come from the same source
Warcraft III. Or, well, maybe real-time strategy games
I agree
Tower defense games removed the units but kept the building
Because they have a tower
MOBAs removed the building but kept a single unit
Auto-Chess⊠I forgot what they removed
Hmm
I used to have this well-thought out and explained
Btw
Is random dice roll roll count?
Maybe the micro
đČ
I donât know it well enough to say
Donât you try to kill waves of AI enemies that try to reach the other end of a track?
I think itâs closer to competitive tower defense than to auto-chess
But theyâre similar
Hmm
If you like tower defense games you might like this video https://youtu.be/f6KTtb1r1lg?si=yGBz-Jwz95ZMXjRV
I've spent many hours clicking away at various tower defence games, and there's something so addicting about them. Taking time to set everything up and watching them demolish everything in it's path. I know I'm certainly not the only one who has played hundreds of hours of TD games, but maybe I can try to pick apart certain mechanics of the gam...


Sleep tight
Night!
does anyone know what the bpm of the balatro theme is (not slowed down)
Working on a MBDTF piece and I was going to add a flower pot but now that the background is done I don't want to touch it, it looks so good but I want to do more. Any suggestions would be appreciated đ„
Was thinking about making a Super Mario World romhack solely so I could introduce the protagonist like this
Is âThe Plumberâ supposed to be Mario or something else?
stone
It is reinforced throughout the game that "The Plumber" represents the ROLE of Mario, as a probably-protagonist and vessel for platforming challenges
Hmmm
Thatâs interesting in the context of the Mario games that are plays
Like SMB2 and some of the Paper Mario games
And kinda of the upcoming Peach game
this is specfically about the romhack approach
Bruh
i found someone writing innapropriate stuff in spray paint on roblox
lil bro
are you deadass with what you're saying right now?
it blows my mind that roblox has like 70m DAU
roblox has really grown these past few years
unfortunately not entirely in the direction of what the community favours
200 million MAU good lord
ikr
F
Prebby..
+ 
The dragon It indicates that this dice is a legendary.
Almost 90% of request in my event
Just need a legendary frame
People like designing legendary effects for games
Yea
million dollars!
That's fire
Beat this by a few 10k
beat this by like 150k
ah fair, I was just hopping through my old numbers looking for big ones
you good
earliest Ive technically
@atomic arrow Lymirics 
Do you like them?
I donât know any off the top of my head. Iâm not a fan but also not a hater either
This magazine I used to read as a kid often had them thatâs about it
What is it?
yeah
Man in peru dreamed he was eating his shoe
woke up to find it was true
Shouldnât there be two more verses?
Or three
those arent the verses
I dont remember them exactly
There once was a man from Peru;
who dreamed he was eating his shoe.
He woke with a fright, in the middle of the night, to find that his dream had come true.
New pb
Those are some $ pizzas
8 plates early go crazy
Hello americans, I am a brit who started his workday 40 minutes ago
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2459550/Emberward/
A fun new demo from another Solo Developer. Take tower defence mechanics, add a small deck of tetrominos and buffs to manipulate the paths of the attacking foes, and encompass that over a roguelike adventuring path with selective upgrades and you get this. I had a blast on my first run
Emberward is a roguelite tower defense game focusing on maze building and interesting tower mechanics. You are a guardian who is tasked with protecting the fire essence to illuminate the darkness. Embark on an adventurous journey, selecting your favorite combinations from a variety of distinctive towers and create mazes using differently shaped ...
Coming soon
checking it out rn
oh hey it's the guy that does videos đ
đđ
I never get use to that pfp
I have an important test tomorrow and im a little stressed out
And not gonna lie i did procrastinate alot
So wish me luck boys
Some skill is change
But i love this
Congrats
Yugioh is unironically one of my passions
I forgot to mention I might be the biggest yugioh nerd on the server
Which is why I love the yugioh Jokers coming out rn
I did yeh
May I see said articles?
Sure one sec
I'm working on a video essay for yugioh zexal
Unironically the most underrated and best yugioh anime
https://ygoprodeck.com/article/the-ultimate-guide-to-everything-cube-302028/ This is one of them
Learn how to play, make and enjoy Cube Format on YGOPRODeck! - ygoprodeck.com
Sick
interesting I've never heard of cube but it seems fun
Pretty sick I get the gist of it
Yeah it's awesome
I gotta try it
How does a YGO Cube work? In MTG at least you can make a functioning deck from cards of the same color
Even if itâs not good outside of draft
In YGO the archetypal restrictions seem more strict
You pick a theme to go based off of
Like only warrior monsters or from one anime
the zexal deck goes crazy
You don't use archetypes
Or you can
Lemme get a link to one of my cubes
So like, you can make a rank 4 strategy with a bunch of level 4s, an EARTH strategy with Giant Rat and Gaia Power, you can make a deck around disarding with Volcanic Shells, you can make a Chaos deck, etc
hell yeah
my job interview went well, now to watch people play cards
Good luck!
Thank you!
As much as I love doing nothing all day, I'd like to be able to afford rent for the winter
lol
I heard the inside of igloos is quite warm
you get the joker then?
Balatro has ruined me, typed joker instead of joke
i passed lets gooooooo
Does wolfram support variable as deriv depth
I donât know
Otherwise I would try SymPy
wow. i haven't seen this since college
Ggs
Yâknow, playing FF1, and playing in itâs combat system, Iâve learned itâs a great way to really immerse yourself in games where the developers simply hate you and everything you stand for in life.
Yeah, it happens.
I am sick, but its mainly just lots and lots of coughing
Nobody has pinged me yet this exists
and leaving/rejoining discord doesnt make it go away
thats what Im assuming it is cause clicking it takes me to buy nitro
Im lucky to only be getting it now then LOL
Ghost ping
If you are in a lot of servers you are inevitably going to get a lot of pings so keeping track there is not worth it. I stopped a while ago
I remember a friend of mine had like 3k pings â ïž Yikes
that's different
these pinfs are attached to the discord icon on the top of the pc sidebar
*pings
they represent message requests / nitro promo
Yeah, I just noticed the one he sent was for a specific server. Thought it was the general one.
do not ask about what happened on the evening of Nov 15th, 2023
about what happened on the evening of Nov 15th, 2023? 

(the joke is someone at roblox goofed/revolted and made the headless horseman bundle free)
i heard of that news
people were freaking out in multiple roblox servers
like wth free headless wha?
meanwhile this one friendgroup server im in: "fuck it we ball"
đ€Ł
most based thing i've seen one of em say
how can you live like that
you know you can disable notifications for things in servers
if you don't know how averages are calculated maybe you shouldn't have 100
đ„
lol
What level
precalc
Nice. Iâd recommend a free online book but itâs not in English
LOL
Well I just don't check pings I guess.
Mr. Dice
try clicking on nitro store and checking friend reqs
@civic cosmos what do you use uMatrix for? my assumption was that it's not maintained
uBlock Origin comes close, especially with https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-hard-mode
(but I feel like it's a bit too much effort for most sites, unless the site is really sketchy like Fandom and most news websites)
I use uMatrix to be picky about what hosts come in and out , I use it for more than adblocker
For example, I can choose not to run any of these scripts/cookies/etc which not only helps sites load faster but also helps protect from certain trackers and hostile elements
Sometimes this means sites break on first load and I gotta take a couple seconds to configure
But its nice to have an extra layer
though yeah honestly this has been working well enough for me that I didnt even notice it hasnt been updated in a couple years
Just been using it that long ig
For context I use uBlock in addition to uMatrix (and some other bits and bobs like Random User Agent)
Looks like they're both from the same developer anyways lol. Maybe uBlock does this now. But my old woman ass doesn't feel like switching over and remaking all my configs
This Joker fills you with determination
It a level up dice
Itâs a very tall die
The lv of this dice will increase if enemy defeat (up to 3Lv)
I think uBlock doesn't have the fine-grained control over specific requests like CSS or XHR, only image, inline-script, 1p-script, 3p, 3p-script, 3p-frame. I don't know if using both uBlock Origin and uMatrix will cause issues, but if it works for you then I think it should be fine
nicee
your specific filtering setup feels hard to replicate with uBlock Origin, the closest you might get is "block third-party frames and scripts by default" (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium-mode)
Yeah I've been reading through the GitHub about it
I like the granularity , I can turn off uMatrix if I can't be bothered to fine tune and still have uBlock to back me up. Plus I like uBlocks element zapper
Reason: Bad word usage
oh. Can't say that. Well the seven seas be kind to filtration
arrgh
my ears ouch
no
very upset
i was going through a tutorial on overhauling fallout new vegas and one of the steps was to make a steam partition or something honestly i don't know, i went through every thing and it all worked fine and all, couple hours later i go to open balatro and steam opens saying i need to install it, turns out i need to re install Everything that was on that specific drive
very stupid
Disregard i was able to fix it, i went through steam settings and found the option that allows you too choose where it looks for all the gams files, then I deleted the the folders that messed everything up, everything seems back to normal
i decided to make an AI rewrite the text of undertale :)
Long ago, 2 races ruled over Earth: HUMANS and MONSTERS.
The monsters, not content with Earth's natural life - giving resources,
They began to destroy the Earth by sending poisonous gas and harmful rays to hurt the humans.
Humans were in great distress and the creatures knew they could not continue to occupy Earth.
Howdy! I'm Flowey! Flowey the Flower!
Hmmm...
I've never seen a fish like you before, human.
You should probably leave now.
Sorry if you were raised to respect us, but you need to go!
I wonder... how far can this flower go without becoming transparent?
I think I'm going to go find a way to stay here for awhile.
You IDIOT!
Wake up!
You'll get turned into a MONSTER!
DIE.
You talk to the dummy. Why?
And when did you last get a paycheck?
Not much more than a mop.
save thing
(HP fully restored, but only 1 of them fought!)
idk where to use bot commands so ill do it here as off topic
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Person: "If you can beat The Crumbling Tower of Pizza in under 4:15, i'll tell roblox to bring back OG-"
me af:
if i had a nickel for every time the entire fnaf movie was posted here i'd have 2 nickels
@hollow merlin you might get in trouble for posting that, just to warn you
:(
as someone who doesn't watch a lot of horror, i thought the fnaf movie was pretty decent
and bonus points for being a video game movie that doesn't suck
Yes, please don't do that. We have banned a user for doing exactly this in the past.
:(
Average possum behavior
no 
really, you find it "cool" to send the same image in all servers
Topology is goddamn ridiculous
If anyone wants to, tell me, how many holes do you think these things have
1, 1, 23
straw: ||one||
Mobius strip: ||because paper isn't infinitely thin, 1. if it was, 0||
shirt: ||three||
yeah three makes more sense you are right
what are y'all talking about oh my GO
WHY SHIRT HAS THREE HOLES
??
am i high, or is it you
A straw has zero holes topologically
A straw is a long torus, and has one hole, it's definitely not zero
It's not a torus, it has no width
It's a plane
I think it's 1, 1, 2
I know the first two have 1 hole since they can both be reduced to donut
something tells me the shirt also has 1 hole, just with 4 openings connecting it
I don't think it works that way
any topographical mathematicians in chat I think I may have literally failed that class
a shirt is just a straw with two extra holes
or 2 straws
I am sorry to inform you but shirts, straws and paper do have width
3 holes in a shirt because one cut from top to bottom then one more cut for each sleeve to make it flat
cut the shirt down the middle and theres no more hole, problem solved
Oh no
lmao
I knew it was only a matter of time until this came to the discord
unless I imagine it differently each part would still have a hole
if the sleeves were their own separate straw then it'd be 2 but because they connect to the torso 'straw' it's 3
you dont cut it in half, you cut one side down the mdidle to make it a flat shape
actually shirts have tons of holes because fabric is woven 
but fabric has holes because its made of atoms
we're really drilling to the bottom of ontology here
I feel like 1, 2 and 4 would make sense here, but not 3
imagine rolling up the torso of the shirt until you reach the other 3 holes at the top, and doing the same with the sleeves
you're left with a triple donut
(I don't know if triple torus is correct terminology)
so you start with 3 lines (holes) |||
connect the top of each of the side lines to the middle line âââ
that's a t-shirt. 3 holes even those the '4 openings' are arranged like this â
its not just a - line and a | line because they're connected
but it's not 4 for the same reason as the straw isn't 2; the middle one is one hole
think of the inside of each sleeve as being a 'hole' into the torso
so it's like, 3 tubes
so 3 holes
I still donât think itâs 3
if you flatten it to a 2d plane (t shirt) it's 3
shirt is shirt and hole is hole (i rest my case)
I'll give you more than 3 hole seconds to check out the new Joker leak
#đă»server-chat message
already saw it (get sniped)
here is a little drawing to visually explain
you have 3 holes
you 'bend' two of the holes down to join the middle
the resulting shape (4 openings, a torso with two sleeves) is the shape of a t-shirt
you didn't put one hole all the way 'through' the torso for both sleeves, you have to add two
you can stretch the sleeves back into the torso and just have a cylinder with a hole on each side
3 holes. Simple.
Fine I give up
topology can be silly and hard to explain don't worry about it
My partner HATES the phrase "A coffee mug and a (ring) doughnut are the same thing"
refuses to believe it
the whole of the cup part is one piece (no hole); the handle has a hole for you to grab in; therefore if it were made of putty you could squish the cup part into a lump and you'd have a wonky donut but a donut nonetheless
I get it, she hates it, even with the 3d visualisation gif
m
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now I just imagine a t shirt as a donut but with 2 extra holes drilled towards the center
that's about right
Just punch a hole through the bottom of the cup
n
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@fiery grotto whats your favorite pie slice
I dont eat pie
Iâve seen tritorus
Maybe 3-torus
Iâm reminded when I checked the Wikipedia page for Pair of pants (mathematics) and they listed the wrong number of holes
I wonder if itâs still wrong
Itâs still wrong
Although they have an image with the correct number of holes below
rip
Vsauce has a good video about the subject exploring the number of holes in the human body. In terms of language, there are two kinds of holes: a void that goes through an object, and recessions on the surface of an object. Mathematically, only the first object is a hole. As a consequence, a void going through an object is a single hole, not two, so thereâs that additional semantic wrinkle.
Hence a straw is a single hole. Topologically, you can start with a donut, then make it very tall to obtain a large straw, then shrink it proportionally to obtain a small straw. The donut has a single hole, and thus so does the straw.
On the other hand, as seen above, a mug and a donut are topologically the same. So a straw and a mug are also the same.
@weary bay some examples (continuing from #đă»server-chat )
Ah, I missed the talk
Also, if anyone's still interested: Apparently, a way to figure out how many holes something has topologically is to find out how many times you can cut something in non-parallel ways.
Which means a straw and a donut have the same amount of holes, 1.
The T-Shirt has 3.
The möbius strip, on the other hand, has 2.
What do you mean?
The möbius strip part, or generally?
i think that's equivalent to the number of times you can cut from one opening to another
How many times can you cut an object, either from one opening to another, or all the way through itself, without it being cut into multiple pieces, is the amount of holes an object has
with each cut combining openings
Iâm trying to convert from that definition to one I know and failing
I just took the thing Riemann found and applied it
Seems to work pretty well till now
Except for the möbius strip, I still don't know how it having two holes is supposed to make sense
the mobius strip is just a flattened torus
Like, I get that you can cut it in the above-mentioned fashion twice without it being cut into multiple pieces, but it's still weird
No, a flattened torus wouldn't have that turned piece
sure it can
That also means you can make this into a torus by pumping it up
ye
treat the center of the strip as the center of a circle
then expand until reaching that circle
Yea, the issue is, you can cut a normal flat ring once without cutting it into multiple pieces, but a möbius strip twice without cutting it into multiple pieces
Which would mean that they aren't topologically the same
i think if you cut a torus but cut with a twist you get the same outcome
You mean, cutting the torus mostly along the long side, but at some point do a spinny thing along the short side?
...hold on
i think that's correct
Oh wait, I got it now
Ring â flattened Torus
Möbius strip â flattened hollow Torus
I found a stackexchange answer that seems to imply that genus isnât defined for non-oriented surfaces
non-oriented would refer to the möbius strip's property where going along one of its sides leads you to the other, or...?
Do homeomorphisms preserve orientation? Or only diffeomorphisms? I think they donât because I remember the YouTube video about turning the sphere inside out continuously
Yes. To visualize it, imagine thereâs hair growing out of a surface perpendicularly
If you start growing hair from somewhere, in the Mobius strip youâll come across the same point with hair going in different directions
The same answer does however include a proof of equivalence between different definitions, but highlights thereâs not necessarily a consensus among topologists on how to define it.
For non-orientable surfaces that is
Yea, considering how wacky non-orientable surfaces can be, I'd figure that topologists still wouldn't be sure of how to deal with quite a bit of their topological stuff
I think itâs more that theyâre not that interested
But thinking about it, where did you get your definition with cuts? It might just be wrong, or the cut youâre doing isnât a true cut because of the non-orientability
Thinking back, I think I only learned a definition of genus that required differentiability. Itâs been a while and I struggled with that class. I know you can use homotopy classes but I didnât study that definition
Originally, I really just took the definition as I read it with between the holes
I just added the all the way through itself part because of the Möbius strip
Also, about how I found it, some time ago, I just searched up "topology counting holes" or something along the lines, and the first one I clicked said that the "how many times you can cut without cutting it apart" is from Riemann
That seems like an approximation of homotopy groups to me
This reminds me that I drew a Joker wire a Mobius strip on it
how was thanksgiving everyone
Great! Hope yours was as well. Hope all the folks who celebrated are staying full on leftovers today.
thank you! I have indeed filled up on leftovers but we went out tn so I got to eat some good food there too
To visualize it, just change the rendering shader to output the surface normal as the fragment color
a GIF..
and a spritesheet!
I didnât mention the surface normal because thatâs explicitly what I want them to visualize
So it would be a cyclic example
âTo visualize x just picture x.â
Also the surface normal wouldnât be defined for a Möbius strip⊠although I wonder how 3D modeling software cheats it
It is defined
If a Möbius strip doesn't look pitch black IRL then lighting works on it
which means there must be a normal
I donât think weâre talking about the same normals
Also a Möbius strip IRL isnât a surface
Itâs a solid
So I believe it would be orientable
Yeah I think a real life Möbius strip is just a torus
Given a point on the strip and a face(YES, a FACE)
you have a normal
Whatever normal light reflection uses
As you saw, immediately after I realized that a real life Möbius strip isnât a surface and therefore itâs orientable
A theoretical one with no thickness can also have normals though
you still need to specify a face
Iâm thinking of normal as a continuous (differentiable?) map from the manifold to the tangent space
Itâs not continuous for Möbius strips
Hence itâs non-orientable
I understood most of the words in that sentence but not the sentence itself lol
Let's just saySimpleStrip = lim (approximation -> best) tessellate_with_triangles(MbStrip)
Maybe this isnât the definition, itâs been a while and I only studied differential geometry of curves and surfaces. Maybe 3D manifolds too
Meanwhile I know nothing about topology and 3D geometry but work with OpenGL fragment shaders every day
To be more precise it should be an atlas an not a map, naturally
Unrelated, but the PFP not having the decor in the reply indicator keeps making me think you're replying to someone else lol
I know you can build geometry from triangulations but I only learned how to do it from atlases
I only know atlas means this
basically a bunch of sprites in a single image, used by programs to improve efficiency
Wikipedia explains it very well.
(If you're wondering, Baba Is You does not use atlases, but I made a program to generate an atlas of all the sprites)
Where is that from
In mathematics, particularly topology, an atlas is a concept used to describe a manifold. An atlas consists of individual charts that, roughly speaking, describe individual regions of the manifold. If the manifold is the surface of the Earth, then an atlas has its more common meaning. In general, the notion of atlas underlies the formal definiti...
This doesn't contain your text
Manifold
oh
In computer graphics, a texture atlas (also called a spritesheet or an image sprite in 2d game development) is an image containing multiple smaller images, usually packed together to reduce overall dimensions. An atlas can consist of uniformly-sized images or images of varying dimensions. A sub-image is drawn using custom texture coordinates to ...
I knew it as spritesheet
I'd take more time looking up definitions to understand this paragraph than doing a calculus problem with the same amount of text
I think it has more information than it needs to. As I said, an atlas is a collection of consistent diffeomorphic maps
an atlas is a collection of consistent diffeomorphic maps
No thanks, I'll study OOP design instead
Basically if you look at two maps of the Earth, one excluding the South Pole and the other excluding the North Pole, they need to agree everywhere else
This means you need to look at one map, locate a point on the Earthâs surface, look at that point, the locate a point in the second map
The same for your speed if you were moving through that point
And naturally the same if you started from the second map, then Earth, then the first map
@fiery grotto
(Their catchphrase.)
day 1 of drawing random face expressions off of numbers
Ooh, 6 could be like glasses
trust me that 6 will not look like that
11 gonna be realllll easy
1 _ 1
2_0
okay stop you guys are going like 5 days into the future
6-9
go to sleep đ
ok google
the offenstivity (trust me its a real word, dont search it up)
Iâm surprised kindle has Discord
"message that can crash discord for kindle"
although I havenât used a kindle in years
âitâs a pain to type onâ?
Shrug and then that
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Yeah
good that discord has \đ€·
lol it autocorrected
i loe shurging
Anyways I better sleep
I typed : shrug : with a backslash to escape it and it still changed it
:shurg:
I betterbetter, but will I?
Is there a #đă»bugs-old for Discord?
looks fun
no stealing i will attack you
o ok
(update: submitted this bug)
I wonder how TREE(3) is gonna look like
Fun fact: There are infinitely many numbers larger than TREE(3).
Name one without using mathematical operations
Rayoâs number
I don't think I can.
Rayo's number is a large number named after Mexican philosophy professor AgustĂn Rayo which has been claimed to be the largest named number. It was originally defined in a "big number duel" at MIT on 26 January 2007.
Wrong person
lol
But I can name some with mathematical expressions.
What about positive infinity
(infinities arenât numbers)
Infinity isn't a number.
This.
It is in the closure of the reals
It is in the closure of the reals
Also relevant https://www.reddit.com/r/okbuddyphd/s/LoqQgCXwJC
Although it is missing a few options
In mathematics, the extended real number system is obtained from the real number system
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lol the LaTeX failing to render
I said closure but this isnât technically accurate since the reals are closed
Itâs the completion but a different kind of completion, since real numbers are the only complete totally-ordered field.
It begs the question of what a number is
Hence the chart
did you mean compacture
Hahaha, victin making everything extremely overcomplicated like everything else
No
Also I think Iâve seen compactification but not compacture⊠maybe Iâm just misremembering the English term for it
But thatâs not what I meant
oh right it's called compactification
day 2 of drawing random face expressions off of numbers
8 with the lil tongue
tognue
Woke up to having no electricity in my place. Fixed now, but what a mess that was
that's stinky, do you use electricity for heating?
Gas central heating, on a different circuit than the sockets
at least you didn't wake up to your place being freezing then đ
its 8 am and yet
IM STILL AWAKE!
For litterally no reason,
Im still awake!
My sleep schedules destroyed, As I'm stuck in a void
Just trying to feel an ounce of joy!
Lay the fuck down in your sleeping place in the dark and sit there with your eyes closed
Your body will rest and will coax your mind to resting as well
Skill issue /j
You should stop being depression
Upgraded my entire audio setup for my pc room. Come to find FedEx lost one of the subwoofers. Ruins the entire plan I had for the room. I hate fedex
day 3 of drawing random face expressions off of numbers
getting better
what-
I think you're getting better
oh ty đ«Ą
Balatro was mentioned in the Galactic Puzzle Hunt 2023 wrapup: https://2023.galacticpuzzlehunt.com/wrapup
Card animation in deckbuilding, including the holographic foil on Legendaries, inspired by Balatro
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the gros michel moment
where is it stated
'Fun Stories' section
the Balatro OST is also in the YouTube playlist
damn
đź had no idea the European Championship of Amateur Poker was coming to London in Feb 2024!
https://maineventtravel.com/media/schedules/tour_stop_schedule_2254ECOAP2024.jpg?d=1701169822
Steam Next fest 2024 is Feb 5th to Feb 12th, so that's good they don't overlap
Me on the left
Me not on the left
If it doesn't break the rules and it's in off topic you can, but if you're speaking negatively of the culture, may ask you to stop etc
just be decent and use common sense basically
Pizza with sushi crust.
it include Japanese rice to make a sushi.....
I think that's moreso an innovation than anything
the crust is typically the most "boring" part of a pizza
this reminded me of garlic knot crusts: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/knot-your-average-pizza-the-all-new-pizza-hut-stuffed-garlic-knots-pizza-is-an-appetizer--pizza-all-in-one-300208824.html
crusts stuffed with cheese seems to be common, at least here in Australia - both Domino's and Pizza Hut have them
But pizza with a sushi crust
How
Lmao
there's apparently a list of these custom crusts: https://www.lovefood.com/galleries/amp/53560/20-stuffed-pizza-crusts-you-wont-believe
I think "sushi crust" is not too far off of something like "cheeseburger crust"
But rice in pizza is kinda weird
Btw
That thing is make me more hungry
Lol
Oh
(they also have more traditional fish fillings, rather than burger fillings)
That kinda hurt
too much hungry right now , i want to try it out lol
I'd like to stop talking about this for now. I'm starting to feel hungry already.
xD

is it just a normal burger with a seaweed wrap, or do they use some other sushi ingredients?
i would eat this at least once a month
Yeah these look very eat-able if that makes sense
The half wrap is a good grabbing point
I think Iâve seen worse in Brazil
yes, pretty much, with two rice patties that have been fried on one side
there's other burgers which use sushi ingredients
looks delicious
Yeah, I'm "American asain"
Sometime maybe Iâll bring images of cursed Brazilian pizza
"oh no! i need my emergency cheese burger and meat burger!"
"because i've gamed to much, i've starved myself!"
@arctic crystal
The line I use the most from that movie is "I have a doubt"
wait, which scene was that from again? i forgor
was it the one where uhhh
....ah nevermind, holy i almost forgot zorg's name EHWULIFEHWLI
it really has been a while since i've seen this movie
I think it's uhhhh, the president says it when they're questioning whether or not to blow up the thing
OH
right, this scene, yeah i remember
Gary Oldman absolutely slays as
Jean-Baptiste
Emanuel
Zorg.
zorg is incredible
some of his lines are genuinely WAY too funny in that movie
him yelling at the mercenaries about the crates is so good
I like how he smiles as smooths out his hair after going off
I want a ZF-1
Brazilian here. Those are literally not real and just stereotypes
Server rules say to speak English only. Still, a lot of people post them thinking they're the norm of pizza on Brazil
I know I just wanted to write that one sentence ;P
Sorry, thems the rules!
What are some popular pizza toppings in Brazil? Just curious.
Well, something necessary to note is that not all pizzas in brazil have cheese in them. For example, here's a cheeseless pepperoni pizza with onions and olive on top
I would DESTROY that pizza. Huge onion fan
Cheese is great, but with the right spices and toppings, I think it would still taste great
There's also chicken pizza as well, this one has a lot of cheese in it
the yellowish stuff on top: is that a type of cheese?
Yes
looks tasty. time to go make a boring salad for lunch đŠ
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I donât think I have seen a non-dessert pizza without cheese
I think itâs probably catupiry cheese
Another option that cheeseless pizza opens up is the sweet pizza, like this chocolate pizza (spoiler tagged because you WILL get hungry)
They're very common in SĂŁo Paulo
It's literally just the pizza mass but rather than tomato sauce or cheese it's chocolate and with strawberries on top
Actual divine
I love pizza as a canvas for cool ideas. never got the pizza traditionalist take, personally. want pineapple pizza dipped in ranch? why not; enjoy whatever makes you happy
with that said, my buddy got told off at a local hipster pizza joint for asking for ranch. they do be out there
The "pizza traditionalist take" is so funny because it's not even traditional italian pizza they're calling sacred it's the americanized one
Except for the actual Italians
important to note on the story above: the pizza place did just win an award in naples, so they do lean into the traditional style
(It is US based, not in Italy)
I saw a rather over the top dessert pizza that looked more like a cake. There were different types of candy on different quarters, another one in the middle, and the border had mounds in it. I think one of the toppings was ice cream
The vast majority of people arguing to not put pineapple on pizza aren't that, tbfh
Recently Iâve had more contact with actual Italians and they take issue with much less
sounds interesting, but maybe too sweet for me
I have to point out this pizza was meant to be shared
It was very large
You do have some places that sell giant pizzas
Usually their pizza isnât amazing but itâs affordable, especially if you do want to share a pizza among 8 or more people
Kinda look good
But i feel my teeth is kinda pain after seeing this
valid

@spice helmI play games like Minecraft(not on Steam, but prolly 350+ hours)
StS, 200+
Baba is You
Factorio
Raft
Kerbal Space Program
Mindustry
NMS
Besiege
bro speakin my language
Ive seen like 6 of those games
I recognize factorio sts and minecraft thats it lol
A great mix across all genres
i never played minecraft btw
Also can't forget DSP
inscryption?
I play some American Truck Simular, The Escapists 2 and Stacklands too
Some Move Or Die
Wingspan
and all the games i listed are all modded to oblivion.
but inscryption
That's about it
if we're not talking about the flash games I loved when I was 7
Oh oh, forgot to mention Peglin
Kingdom Two Crowns
i need to look into your list im in a loop playing the same games
PEGLIN!









