📜・bugs-old

[placid steeple]

Had a bug in the shop where I purchased a Joker, and then when my mouse hovered over the next joker it immediately crashed. The error was something to the tune of "retrieving price". I apologize, I wasn't able to capture this one or replicate, if it comes up again I'll try to get a video!

Of note the save state was in that same exact shop pre-purchase so no progress was lost

[neon valve]

I had this crash report when I removed out all the clubs in my deck and went to open run info

[quartz pond]

Thanks for the report! That is a known issue that should be fixed in the next patch

[atomic garnet]

When starting the game, it correclty selects the right audio output.
When I change it in the windows panel, e.g. from headset to speakers, it will still play it back at the first audio output.
It's just a minor inconvinience, I can restart the game.

The money multiplier joker says for every $5 mult, it gives +1, but then it gave +1 for every $10.

[quartz pond]

Thanks! The first one might be a limitation of Love2d but I'll check. The 2nd one is fixed in the upcoming patch

[vague moth]

I can’t tell if bootstraps adds 1 mult for every 10$ or if i’m bad at math

[vague moth]

Nvm i see it was fixed.

[unique drum]

Game called this a 3-of-a-kind instead of a flush, possibly costing me the run

[sick nova]

I've seen similar occur, I wondered if debuffed cards were braking things in some way?

[quartz pond]

Woah that's a weird one. I'll have a look

[unique drum]

Yeah, I lost because of that lol

[vague moth]

Rip

[unique drum]

Glad I found it so nobody else has to

[atomic garnet]

If my stone card is counted as a face card, and I have Sock and Buskin and a Stone Upgrader, then what should happen?

• Cash out Stone coins, upgrade the card, Cash out stone coins, same as before, upgrade card
• Cash out Stone coins, upgrade the card, Cash out upgraded stone coins, upgrade card?
  Because currently the first case is happeneing, but I thought the second one should happen.

I had the same bug also with the joker which counts each played card double in last hand

[quartz pond]

Yeah it'll be a bug with all the double card effect jokers

[short robin]

I have an odd situation where I had the all face cards buff, with the +20 for face cards and sock and buskin. When I got the plant blind (all face cards debuffed) I sold the all face cards joker but my whole deck remained debuffed. additionally I played a flush as a desperation play and it was only counted as a high card. is the debuff supposed to just eliminate the points and card effects or make the whole card null?

[quartz pond]

There is an issue with the plant where it's causing all sorts of issues, that is one of them!

[short robin]

beating a boss blind with a high card doesnt seem to proc unfortunately

[quartz pond]

What do you mean?

[short robin]

the joker is still locked for me

[quartz pond]

I can see that on my end too, looks like a bug to me! 🪲

[short robin]

oh baby get the raid

[sick nova]

game crashed in new update

just this and the audio is still going

[quartz pond]

Can you recreate the issue?

[sick nova]

nope, reloaded the save, took me back to the last hand to be played, played the same cards and got to the shop just fine

[quartz pond]

I think you found a bug I just think it was maybe unrelated to the new update

[atomic urchin]

had a game earlier today where i got to a boss that disabled all face cards while also having the joker that makes all cards count as face cards. problem is: all cards remained disabled even after i discarded the joker (also tried reloading the save)

[quartz pond]

Sorry about that! There is a known issue with that boss, it is in the backlog

[delicate basalt]

Looks like this voucher is supposed to unlock after discovering 25 blinds, I've discovered 28 blinds so far

blinds disocovered so far

[unique drum]

Oh wait, are the boss blinds at the bottom supposed to be specifically for Ante 10? I don't think rerolling that one should give you a normal one lol

[ashen meadow]

when having about 20 jokers and or extremely high score, game crashes when hovering over joker cards

[ashen meadow]

I discovered all the blinds but the joker card is still locked

[atomic urchin]

when using a planet, i can sometimes trigger the effect again by clicking or something (very inconsistent)

nvm figured it out (i think). when using a planet or tarot card and playing on 4x speed. spamming the use button might trigger the card again after its been used

also looks like you can use that bug to generate random jokers above your limit which you can place anywhere on the screen

doesnt look like they work though

[atomic urchin]

also works on crystal ball and stuff, but doing so might make you get stuck

[atomic urchin]

btw in that run i played every heart in my deck and i enhanced over 16 cards but apparently those things didnt count

[quartz pond]

Thanks for all the bug reports everyone, I'll be fixing the unlocks first thing tomorrow and send an update out when that's done, the issues are related

[unique drum]

All my jokers seem to be turned off. This is a bug and I'm not missing something, right?

I assumed Smeared Joker would turn off my spades as well but this seems a bit excessive lol

[quartz pond]

Oh lord no that is a bug

If you reload is it still like that?

[unique drum]

Yes

I'm honestly a little annoyed lol, this is a run-killer and I was hopeful

[atomic urchin]

skill issue

[unique drum]

:p

[quartz pond]

Sorry about that! I am working on the bugs as best I can. I don't even know what may have caused that one though I'll have to try and recreate it myself

[unique drum]

No worries! Just one of the perks of playing an early access game haha

[atomic urchin]

i have 8 steel cards in my deck but dont get the unlock

[quartz pond]

Thanks for the report, working on the unlock bugs they are related. Will be in the next update!

[wintry fiber]

the astronomer can spawn planet cards when the description only says tarot cards

[atomic urchin]

same with the one that dupes tarot card bought from shop

[devout heath]

I don't think this is the intended interaction, but pressing Buy & Use with the hermit doubles your money before buying the card, not after

[delicate basalt]

might be a feature rather than a bug, I just unlocked the drivers license, it didnt tell me what the unlock requirements were - the box which normally says "have 8 wild cards in your deck" or whateve was blank - is that because the driver licence has a mystery requirement?

[quartz pond]

No it's a bug haha, oops! related to the change I made to fix some of the unlocks

[atomic garnet]

I thouhgt it might activate for each debuffed card. Isn't each card individually debuffed?
Though I think the bug lies in the description, imagine it activating 5 times for one hand

[quartz pond]

I tried writing that description so it is technically correct, even if all 5 are debuffed the description says it gives $10 if that hand triggers the boss ability, not every time the boss blind ability triggers

[atomic garnet]

Ah I see

my bad

[quartz pond]

Sorry it is confusing, maybe I can reword better. But it is working as intended

[atomic urchin]

pressing buy + use on the emperor while you dont have enough room can make the cards that dont fit float around

[unique drum]

"If your hand triggers the Boss Blind ability, earn $10"?

[quartz pond]

Yes good suggestion, I think 'IF' is the important word there instead of 'when'

I'll change it

[atomic garnet]

I dont know if this was fixed, but 0 and O were indistinguishable in the seed

Also cannot use numpad in seeded run

[atomic garnet]

Guess the O and 0

[atomic urchin]

right is O

[atomic garnet]

Actually its the left one. There is a slight difference but not much

[quartz pond]

The easy thing for me to do is cast all of them to O, nobody will be able to tell

[stone obsidian]

i thought only legendaries were having "vague" unlock description, did the patch f something up, or my memory betrayed me?

[quartz pond]

The bugfix for that is coming in a few minutes! Just doing some final tests for it

[stone obsidian]

also, is it possible to roll Five of a kind from Steel? iv played a bunch and got Flush house a bunch, but not the other @quartz pond

[quartz pond]

Yes it should be possible

Anyone here unlock the Steel Joker? There was a bug report earlier that the 'have 8 steel cards' unlock wasn't working but I can not recreate the issue

[stone obsidian]

some other questions that i had while playing, that were kinda hard to test (related mostly to jokers):
does the buff from stone joker is kept after transforming the card into other enchant?
what happens if you lose when you have Prevent death joker? do you just get one more hand? or..?
does the Idol roll only cards that are in the deck? is there scewed %es?

some things that might be bugs/misunderstanding:
flower pot sometimes trigger, sometimes doesnt its buff when using Wild card enchant
loyalty card says "trigger every 5 hands", shouldnt the text be every 6? @quartz pond

[stone obsidian]

i had this exact issue, but it got resolved after i played next blind

[quartz pond]

You can only have one enhancement on each playing card
Mr Bones guarantees that you survive a blind, it ends the blind immediately
The Idol takes a random sample from the cards in your deck, so if you had 49 Ace of Spades and 1 King then there is a 98% chance itll be Ace of Spades
Flower pot calculates the ideal usage of every wildcard every hand, so basically if you have 2 wildcards and any 2 other suits in a hand, it'll proc. I think it is working okay but if anyone has an example where they think it should or shouldn't have worked I am all ears
Loyalty card needs some work, I'll put it on my list for next patch

[stone obsidian]

1. but Stone joker text says "permanently give the card +10 chips", so this buf doesnt stay after card is "untransformed" from being Stone?
2. does Mr Bones allow you to cheese the boss blind? (does it make you win the blind, or just restart it?)
3. in regards to Flower pot, im pretty sure that i saw it proc when i was just rolling off single cards (which was Wild in that case). it defintely had Edition buff, so there is a chance that i just remember wrong, so i will try to remember to slow down the animations when i get it again.
4. since i mentioned animations - can you please make speed setting also change the speed of Voucher aqusition

[leaden basalt]

Ok, so, if you get a free reroll, the game crashes if you're under the old system...

[quartz pond]

What do you mean by under the old system?

[leaden basalt]

Before the latest bugfix

[quartz pond]

Did you try the current patch?

[leaden basalt]

I was on the current patch when it crashed

I was in a run that was on 8.5 and when the bugfix happened, the game didn't know what to do....

So, it crashed 2x

[quartz pond]

So it crashed when your save was 0.8.5 and the game was on 0.8.5b?

[leaden basalt]

Currect

[quartz pond]

I'll take a look

[leaden basalt]

The rerolls are working like usual now.

[quartz pond]

Thank you for the report! Just pushed a fix for it, sorry about your save though

If you still have the save file I think you can get the update and rerolling should work

[leaden basalt]

I lost the run. The reroll wasn't going to help none.

[quartz pond]

Well still sorry to hear that 😂

[vestal snow]

Game no longer launches after that update..

Yea, even after restarting Steam, it's not loading anymore. Verifying files didn't show anything wrong.

Uninstalling and reinstalling it didn't help

[vestal snow]

Had to do a full reboot

[quartz pond]

I was not able to recreate the issue but if anyone else has this problem, or if you encounter it again, please reply

[quartz pond]

Did some flower pot testing and yes it looks like there is an issue with it. It includes all non-scoring cards in it's calculation, so you can get the X3 mult on a high card with 4 other garbage cards. Will patch

[atomic urchin]

looks like upgrading the shop removes the buy & use button

[quartz pond]

What on earth neptune

[atomic urchin]

*neptune

[atomic urchin]

I've used like 15 wheel of fortunes and they all failed. clearly a bug and not just me being unlucky

[solar blade]

ya ngl I feel that too bro xd

[sick nova]

Should Flower Pot Proc here? (Use all 4 suits in a hand, but 5D isn't contributing to 2 pair)?

[quartz pond]

No this is a current bug in the backlog, it counts all cards but it should only count scoring cards

[vestal snow]

... oops.

[quartz pond]

What happened in game when you got that bug?

[vestal snow]

I played a full house with some 8's since I had the 8 ball card.

And the 8 ball was spawning planets for a while, not tarot.

I went to continue the run.

[quartz pond]

Thank you for the details

[vestal snow]

No problems.

[fallow brook]

What is going on here? why is the left card face down?

[atomic urchin]

its shy

[fallow brook]

jokers are +2 for each club, earn $10 when triggering boss blind, x3 on final hand and +7 for flush

[atomic urchin]

should put the x3 one more to the right

[quartz pond]

How did that even happen

[fallow brook]

idk but every deal had the left card face down!

[quartz pond]

Do you have the magnet voucher perchance?

[fallow brook]

I didbnt have any vouchers in play. Are there any logs I can send you?

[quartz pond]

No I think it was probably caused by a bug in some past action and I don't log everything in game. Did you use the hanged man before it happened?

[fallow brook]

Maybe the universe wants me to stop playing this game for a bit.... on a fgresh run with the random cards deck on 2nd ante

No I hadn;t played hang man

[unique drum]

That's not good

[vestal snow]

What am I looking at?

[quartz pond]

What is the issue here? Sorry not sure I understand from the image

[unique drum]

The 7 of Spades is just chilling in the ether mid-deal

Reloading fixes it

It's hard to tell from the screenshot, sorry lol

[quartz pond]

Oh, was that the first hand of the round?

[unique drum]

Yes

I think I clicked on a card before it finished dealing which could have caused the problem

[quartz pond]

Please add to different channel! This is for bugs

[leaden basalt]

I meant to put that in General!!!!

I'll delete that now

[unique drum]

It happened again without clicking on cards

[quartz pond]

Ok would you be able to send me your savefile? I'll dm you

[quartz pond]

No worries, thank you!

[unique drum]

I don't know how to do that but absolutely

[quartz pond]

Also was that on the same run?

[unique drum]

Yes

[waxen needle]

After activating a planet card during a round, the On Fire effect can be activated as the Chip x Mult displays what the level up amount is, which feels odd

[waxen needle]

It seems like the Pattern voucher is giving me Earth 100% of the time. I've assumed it was based on just the one game but is it actually based on the most used planet across ALL games? (I had a game I went very hard on Full Houses) If so it should probably clarify that

[quartz pond]

That is intended, and yes I can clarify the description more

[fallow brook]

while we're talking about clarifying cards, I;'m not sure how the "most played carrd drawn to hand" works (and it's cousin, "3 most played cards" - is it that run? and only to 1st deal of the round?

[quartz pond]

That one should be:
Most played card this run is always drawn to hand at the start of each round

I need to add a visible counter in run info so you can see which is most played

[fallow brook]

OK so I was playing teh random deck, and got the 3 most played voucher, I got 3 6's on the first deal of next round but completely different on the next blind

[nova chasm]

Game launches, but stuck on black screen with game music still playing, unable to act

[quartz pond]

So you said PC - Windows 10/11?

[nova chasm]

Windows 11

I just tried running the game again to see if it was just cosmic rays or something, nope, still black screen 🤣

[quartz pond]

do you have a graphics card?

[nova chasm]

I don't...know?

I should...right? I play Valorant on this thing haha

[quartz pond]

is it like a laptop?

[nova chasm]

Yes

[quartz pond]

I am asking about hardware because this bug sounds pretty significant and it also hasn't been reported so far, it is very odd

[nova chasm]

Ah I found it
AMD Radeon

[quartz pond]

The requirements are pretty tiny for the game so I don't think you'd have an issue there

Ah okay

[nova chasm]

Good to get it sorted out while it's still a demo, right?

Lucky you caught this now rather than on release date

I'd be happy to help in any way I can

Maybe something from the game files I can pull for you?

[quartz pond]

I'll dm you

[nova chasm]

Got it!

[nova chasm]

LET'S GOOOOOOO

AMD FIX YOUR SHIT

[quartz pond]

LETS GOOO

[nova chasm]

Ain't no way this took one WHOLE hour

[quartz pond]

I'll post it on the community though I'm glad that's all it was

[nova chasm]

Btw, just for the record
It was a driver issue gang

I literally just realized this was in the server

I thought I was DMing you still

🤣

Didn't mean to get that excited in the server I apologize

[quartz pond]

🫢

[wintry fiber]

chaos the clown second shop reroll is the same price as a second shop reroll without chaos the clown (ie base price of your reroll+1)

[quartz pond]

So like 0 then 6, 7 etc?

[wintry fiber]

yea

o tried it to do it again just now n first roll free n second roll is 6 when you first get chaos the clown but when i finished next round n went shop with clown it was first roll 0 second roll 5; so its only the case for the round you obtain the clown i think

[sick nova]

When upgrading the shop to 3x slots, if planet cards populate the new slots, you can't buy+use them immediately, but you can for other planet cards after that exact instance.

[nova chasm]

In the blind select screen, sometimes clicking out of things too fast from the previous round will lock all buttons from being clicked, forcing you to go back to main menu and continuing the run

[unique drum]

I think my Heirloom bonus got reset with the update

[quartz pond]

It shouldn't have - but if it did I don't think there's anything I can do to fix that for others unfortunately. As long as it is working from this point forward

I'll test it

[quartz coral]

I'm pretty sure I've played a hand with 4 7 of clubs (Maybe even 5), but I didn't unlock the corresponding joker. I'm pretty early in the game, 50% unlocks on my 5th playthrough, maybe that has to do with something?

Or maybe it doesn't count 7 of clubs if they are somehow modified?

[quartz coral]

Not sure if bug, but I got offered Saturn twice on (upgraded) planetarium

These are my card levels

[quartz coral]

If you lose after going on endless mode, you seem to lose your win streak. Not sure if that's intended!

[quartz pond]

Do you have the ring master Joker?

[quartz coral]

I recall having that at some point during that run, or the run after it, for a round. Could be because of it.

Was playing the cycling joker (2x multiplier if you bought a joker)

[atomic garnet]

Should the certificate appear twice, even though I dont have the ringmaster?

[quartz pond]

Should not! I'll have a look

[fallow brook]

Are steel cards only meant to buff 1 hand type now? I thought the mulltipliers used to apply to any hand?

[sick nova]

I thought when you buy them, it locks in 1 hand type, but when you see the preview of them it cycles through them. It was a little unclear before I bought a few. I may be incorrect though.

[fallow brook]

I wonder if you get the option it's on as you buy it or is it really random?

[quartz pond]

They apply to 1 randomly selected poker hand

[quartz pond]

That scroll through list of poker hands is just meant to show the possible options - how can I better convey that it applies to a random one from that list?

[quartz coral]

1.5x to a random hand type?

No scratch that

[quartz pond]

It's really hard to convey exactly what it means

[quartz coral]

When enhanced, choose a random hand type. 1.5x when used as part of that hand type

Is that too long?

If you want to keep it the way it is, try fitting a huge OR in the card as seen in the tarot card, while scrolling through different hand types

But going from memory, description is quite full already

[sick nova]

Maybe just adding a question mark after the hand type as it cycles through?

[quartz coral]

That is nice and elegant. I love that.

[hushed shard]

Hey, I've been trying to go through the tutorial, but I consistently get a crash after buying the joker and tarot card, specifically after the blind selection shows up but before I can select anything. Is that the crash from the 0.8.6b patch notes or is this something separate?

[quartz pond]

I'm sorry to hear that, does it say 0.8.6b on the main menu for you?

[hushed shard]

Yes, it does.

This is the specific error.

[quartz pond]

Yes I can see that one on my end, I'll have to check in a few hours I'm not home.
In the meantime you can go to your Appdata/roaming/Balatro folder and delete settings.jkr, that should reset the tutorial

[hushed shard]

Yeah, I've done that a few times to see if it was consistent, but it consistently crashes on that spot, so I'll have to wait and see.

[quartz pond]

Are you using the skip button or no? Just looking into it now

[stone obsidian]

if its scrolling through possible options, maybe it should also include 5 of a kind and flush house?

[quartz pond]

I pushed an update, if you update now it should work

[stone obsidian]

@quartz pond bought my most used joker with polychrome version from the shop, (played one blind to be sure), still no unlock for that voucher

[stone obsidian]

dont think its intended, it snaps the joker, and even on next hand it keeps that disabled

[quartz pond]

The Rightmost joker when you select the blind gets snapped for the whole round

[stone obsidian]

as i mentioned in other channel, is there a bug with this unlock? i was not getting to 5+ jokers at any point of the run (until endless, at which point i checked the unlock, saw that its still locked and bought other jokers at ante ~12). am i supposed to finish the run without getting jokers + other cards in that section above 4?

[quartz pond]

I will look into that one and give an update when I figure out what is going on/have a fix. Sorry about that!

[stone obsidian]

yeah, a bit sad that these (+ 15 rounds) are my last 3 locked things 😅

[quartz pond]

That is incredible! Sorry about the unlocks, it's one of those things that I tested and worked at one point then I made a million changes and some stopped working

So bad on me for not having a better testing framework, but if I made one of my own I probably would be writing test cases until 2025

So you all are suffering through some testing so others won't have to

[stone obsidian]

also probably known bug, but selling* anything disables "buy and activate" thing (that you added recently), until you reroll the shop

[fallow brook]

Ahh we saw that in @sick nova's video yesterday. I wondered what was going on.

This might be just my PC but whenever I use windows snip (SHIFT windows-key S) It often snaps the previous screen I was on and I have to dismiss and try again. I don't recall that happening in any other software.

[quartz coral]

Welp

this is after clicking the run info button to see my deck immediately on run start

perhaps I was too fast?

Going options -> New run doesn't fix that either

[quartz pond]

What version does it say in main menu?

On the top right of the screen

[quartz coral]

Quitting to main menu doesn't fix it either

0.8.6c

restart didn't fix it too

[quartz pond]

That is my bad, I pushed a bad update one moment

[quartz coral]

deck doesn't matter

[quartz pond]

I know the issue, just one second

[quartz coral]

kk

[quartz pond]

If you update it should work now

[tropic cedar]

i haven't played in a few days (busy weekend) but i just started a new game and it's not dealing me anything, though i can pick up one card from the deck of cards on the top right (screen capture not showing it tho)

not sure if it's a seed thing or some other bug but just leaving this here before i try starting another new game

seed: TT8XGADI

[quartz pond]

Same issue as @quartz coral , if you quit game and update it should be fixed

I pushed a bad update 10 mins ago, updated again 5 mins ago

[tropic cedar]

ah sorry, didn't realise it was a known and fixed issue already!

[quartz pond]

No worries!

Please let me know if it is fixed after update @quartz coral @tropic cedar

[tropic cedar]

managed to update and everything works now!

[quartz coral]

confirming all good on my end too

[atomic urchin]

when starting a new run with the erratic deck, you can look at your deck before it gets randomized

[fallow brook]

Isn't that deliberate? It's how I fish for decks for the 30 card unlocks, and the 6 Qspades seed I found

[atomic urchin]

i guess but still a bug imo

also apparently the shop reroll starts at 6

[atomic urchin]

pretty sure loyality card gives its bonus every 6 hands instead of every 5 (which i like because this way it works with acrobat)

[sick nova]

depends on which deck/vouchers you're running, but yeah, when they sync its great

[hushed shard]

Tried it again, sadly the tutorial still crashes, though I got further this time. I had selected the second blind, gotten some cards and was going through the dialogue when it suddenly crashed.

[stone obsidian]

Have same issue. That happened to me previously in some other game, but don’t remember which one, and what might cause it.
I also have some problems with switching tabs sometimes - when I try to switch to the non game tab, it still keeps game visible on the screen, without actually being in focus.
HP Laptop. Windows 11, if that matters

[fallow brook]

A small off by 1 error I think - if you get EXACTLY the score needed in a hand, it doesn't trigger the flames. (e.g the "pot" was 1200, I'd scored 800 or so and the next hand I played scored exactly 1200, putting me at 2k- no flames 😦 )

[atomic urchin]

when a card with a gold seal is debuffed, it doesnt show the gold seal but still goes back to hand

[stone obsidian]

@quartz pond after todays patch, all the rerolls start at 6 cost (even had new run started to see)

[stone obsidian]

immovable object lost to unstoppable force 😅

[stone obsidian]

dont think the fix worked

[quartz pond]

Is Pluto like that too?

[stone obsidian]

looks like you did the fix for only planets?

[quartz pond]

Well I think what happened is that it is fixed and working properly EXCEPT for the emperor

because I seem to recall someone else had an issue with the emperor

[stone obsidian]

... you can see on the ss above that at least Lovers are affected aswell

[quartz pond]

The lovers cant be used in the shop like that though

[stone obsidian]

oh fu right 😅

[quartz pond]

It converts a playing card, only some of the Tarot cards can be used in the shop directly

[stone obsidian]

if ill get the Soul in the shop i will check it aswell

[quartz pond]

And to be honest I have been putting off the emperor fix because if you can use it then you would also have room for it

So it's not preventing you from using it normally, just another click. Not ideal so it's still in my backlog

[quartz pond]

I should make it so you cant unlock those jokers with the erratic deck

[quartz pond]

This one is my bad, I was basing it off those loyalty punch cards that say 'every 5 sandwiches get the 6th one free', but that is just super confusing so yes I'll change it

[quartz pond]

Fixing it now, I didn't encounter that in my testing yesterday or just this morning - were you going through the tutorial normally? Faster speed? Skipping?

[atomic urchin]

doing it with the magic deck shouldn't be much harder so i think its fine

[quartz pond]

You at least need to play the game that way though and win a few rounds instead of rerolling over and over, I prefer that imo

[hushed shard]

I didn't skip anything, just went through it as normal.

[atomic urchin]

i've rerolled like 50 times and the highest i got was 21

[quartz pond]

Oh I was under the impression that @fallow brook was able to get all 30 immediately, my bad. If that is the case then yeah that is fine

[fallow brook]

erratic deck - best deck 😄

[quartz pond]

I pushed another update and tested a few times without encountering errors - if it happens again please send me a DM because that seems very strange

[fallow brook]

does the beetle reactopm on some posts mean it's squashed?

[quartz pond]

No it helps me identify bugs. I go through and use it to add items to my backlog later

[fallow brook]

right - and how do I get rid of my newbie flair? I;ve been here a few days now - can't see anyhting in my profile for this discord

[quartz pond]

I'm not sure! I'm a discord dinosaur, not sure how it all works

[hushed shard]

I got past the part where it crashed the last time. Is the last thing you do in the tutorial using the Empress tarot card on your cards? I've played three rounds after that and no new messages pop up, so it seems like I'm done with it?

[quartz pond]

Yes that should be it then! So sorry about you haveing to go through all that but thank you for bringing it to my attention

[fallow brook]

Ace doesn't trigger "Odd Todd" - is Ace not considered odd? (1 or 13)?

[quartz pond]

It's based on the pip

A is not odd

I thought that would be more intuitive than the rank it can be played as - since it is actually 14 normally (king is 13)

[fallow brook]

oh derp I'm an idiot - of course it's "14" what was I thinking.

[stone obsidian]

Judgement doesnt have the buy and use aswell

[quartz coral]

? In game description of Steel card is not updated with the ?

[stone obsidian]

after going into endless, and then starting new run i get no bonuses from the Spoon(s). game is updated

Ride the bus gets reset, even when the face is not part of the combo

[quartz coral]

I have this joker hand, and I feel like business card does not trigger enough times

Constantly playing 5 card hands, flushes, and I only see like 1 business card trigger

it might just be me

Disregard that lol. I was just salty. Sorry for the channel spam

[delicate basalt]

Super minor graphical bug: at the end of the crystal ball tarot phase, the cards do a little animation where they flip over as they’re sent back to the deck - with the foil deck the foil effect isn’t applied to the backs when they’re doing this animation

Sorry not when they fly back to the deck, when they flip after applying whatever tarot effect you picked 👍

[atomic garnet]

I have tried to load a really old save (yes the 77 Joker run), but I couldn't go past the shop, after reload. It is probably not a bug, due to patches, however I think keeping save files consistent during patches would be a courtesy

[quartz pond]

That save file is working for me, does it freeze for you or crash or what?

[atomic garnet]

If you exit the shop

[quartz pond]

Yeah

[atomic garnet]

Or maybe i rerolled i dunno

[quartz pond]

Let me try again like that

Trying to make all save files work regardless of version, hard to test everything though. for that error I think I can fix the issue in the next update

Yeah I can recreate it

[atomic garnet]

Ty ❤️

[unique drum]

Continuing a run in progress triggers Silver Spoon/Heirloom

[quartz coral]

Visual bug: Using a planet card in the middle of a blind, if the given hand would be enough to beat the blind by itself, flames are appearing.

So, for example, if I upgraded straight flush in the middle of the first big blind, which would give me a chip and multiplier value worth more than 450, the flames would appear as if I had played a hand worth more than 450 chips.

[quartz pond]

You are playing 0.8.6c right? I thought I fixed that in that patch but maybe it isn't fixed

[quartz coral]

I think this is on 0.8.6c, yeah

I remember noticing this yesterday

Could be on 0.8.6b, i might be wrong

Yeah if you fixed it, scratch that, i might be wrong

[quartz pond]

I'll test again to make sure before pushing the next patch, no worries

[quartz coral]

Ok!

[quartz coral]

On final boss blind unlocks: Got to the last Ante, had Cerulean Bell. Rerolled the blind. Got the one that ||Shuffles Jokers||. Afterwards bought the ||voucher upgrade that makes boss blind rerolls free||. After beating the boss, I did not unlock the corresponding blind. I didn't have it unlocked, but I had Cerulean Bell unlocked.

Don't know if the voucher, previous blind being unlocked or whatever else caused it.

[fallow brook]

It's happened again @quartz pond - vouchers bought are overstock and silverspoon. I played 1 planet to upgrade flush, 1 tarot was sold, 1 tarot to spawn joker

on the next round...

[atomic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-im-out-im-gone-disappear-gif-14773411

[quartz pond]

Did you load the game from save?

[fallow brook]

nope

[quartz pond]

Hmm, and if you do is it still gone?

[fallow brook]

I'll try. The mext deal the face down is back and I cant play it

[quartz pond]

If it's in the save would you be able to send it to me?

[fallow brook]

yep where do I find it

[quartz pond]

In your username/Appdata/Roaming/Balatro/(whichever profile you're on)/save.jkr

Dm it to me

[fallow brook]

lol .jkr well done!!!

[quartz pond]

Working title was Joker Poker, but there's already a game with that name... What a shame

[fallow brook]

dm''d

[terse iron]

my 2 of hearts turned into these

i used the tarot that turns to cards into the rightmost selected

[quartz pond]

What was the card you tried turning them in to?

[terse iron]

i turned 2 club cards into the 2 of hearts on a large blind and when facing the boss they bugged and flipped over they also go back into the deck when played and can't be discarded

[quartz pond]

Could you also DM me the save file if you still have it?

Instructions above something similar happened a couple hours ago

[terse iron]

what would file be named?

[quartz pond]

save.jkr

[reef swan]

When I used neptune after playing a straight flush during the rewards screen, the game crashed. When I loaded back in, the card was stuck and the game crashes when I play.

[quartz pond]

Oh wow, thanks for the report, sorry that happened!
By rewards screen do you mean the Planetarium?

[reef swan]

I mean the tally after a blind when it is counting up the money you have earned. Great game by the way

[quartz pond]

Ohhhhh I see

Thank you!

[reef swan]

Np

[reef swan]

Also, Heirloom is spelled incorrectly.

[quartz pond]

Dang English and your lack of cohesive rules!

[reef swan]

Truth

[quartz pond]

'i before e except after c' my eye

[atomic urchin]

its clearly hairlume

[delicate folio]

I'm not sure if this is a bug, but more of a clarity issue that involves the card "Ride the Bus". For most of the jokers I've seen so far that use the term "played" in their rule, only cards in the set that is put on the field and are "up" are considered when activating the jokers, while cards that are "not up" aren't considered. For instance, with the picture that shows the "up" and "not up" terms (I wasn't sure how to describe other than this image), Odd Todd wouldn't give bonus chips for the 3 or 7, since even though they are played on the field, they aren't part of the 3 of a kind that was actually scored. This works similarly for most of the jokers I've seen, and I've noted at least the following jokers all work the same way: Fibonacci, Even Steven, Lusty Joker, Wrathful Joker, Scholar, and Scary Face. I'd assume the other two Jokers that give multipliers based on the suits like Lusty and Wrathful work this way too, but I'm not certain since I haven't rolled them since I started taking notes on this.

When it comes to Ride the Bus, I would expect that a face card wouldn't reset the combo counter if it was in the "not up" position, since "played" usually refers to cards in the "up" position, but as shown in the image, it does reset the combo. It makes sense balance-wise since you can't just discard all your face cards for free when you're not using all 5 cards when playing, but it's a little unclear.

Also if it's just me that misunderstood, lol that's on me I guess haha

[quartz pond]

No that is not on you, that is a consistency issue with some of the joker effects. I think that bug may have been reported a few days ago as well so clearly that is not the right way for it to work.
I think all jokers should only count 'scoring' cards, not those throw in cards that do not count towards the score. I'll make sure that is consistent, so if you notice other jokers have the same confusing problem please post here

[fallow brook]

kinda related, and I know idebuffed cards have been discussed a lot but should fist trigger off debuffed cards? I just noticed it happening in my last run. Intutively to me, it's debuffed, so it can still "make hands" but not score points. A bit of a grey area

[atomic urchin]

i mean... they are greyed out

[quartz pond]

That is a tricky one... because in all other cases they still have a rank, but when you play them the individual joker effects for that card do not work.
My gut says no it shouldn't? And that would be a bug then

Glad I'm getting all this 'Oh that didn't work the way I thought it would' stuff fixed now though. There are about a million cases to consider

'make a game with synergies' I said, 'It'll be fun' I said

[fallow brook]

"make a game with synergies that can;t be abused". Header, LetsGameItOut and SpiffingBrit say "hold my beer...."

[quartz pond]

Oh I don't mind the abuse 😈 as long as it's fun

[languid meadow]

thats what she said

[quartz coral]

Not a bug per ce, but could be considered one. Cards that have the "Currently X" explanation text, have the same text while checked in collection. That text is properly updated if the card is checked in the middle of a run.

Could be considered a feature honestly, just reporting it as unexpected

[quartz pond]

That was intended! So you can check jokers you dont have if you really wanted to

[quartz coral]

Cool, making sure. Didn't really expect this.

[quartz coral]

I'm playing really fast, on 4x speed. Tried to click where the small blind would be after a boss blind. Game was unresponsive, all buttons in current run. Pressing esc -> Main menu and continuing fixed it.

[reef swan]

Question marks on Steel Card Description are missing during Tarot reading.

Wrong image first time

[atomic urchin]

just noticed that unlocking things with magic doesn't count towards the total unlocks

[quartz pond]

Can you elaborate? I don't think there is any code that restrics that. Did you notice something in particular?

[atomic urchin]

the game says i have 198 out of 204 unlocks, but i'm only missing 5 things. the only reason i can think of is the magic we used for the <=4 jokers unlock

[quartz pond]

@atomic urchin which 5 things?

Like 5 Jokers?

[atomic urchin]

The two jokers for <# rounds, the heirloom thing, the voucher where I have to buy my most used joker, and the last deck

[quartz pond]

likely a bug - thank you!

[quartz pond]

@steep field can disable steam cloud for Balatro?

And try it again. If not we can see if the actual game files are being deleted. And what platform are you on?

[steep field]

steam cloud saves seem to be universal? Is there a way to toggle it just for Balatro? I'm playing on Windows 10

[quartz pond]

Oh maybe you can't do it on a per game basis, sorry. Instead can you check the game save files for me?
It'll be in your user folder under Appdata/roaming/Balatro

[steep field]

hm, doesn't seem to exist

that could be an issue 😛

[quartz pond]

That certainly could be an issue! You should definitely have an Appdata/roaming folder though can you see that?

[steep field]

yes

no balatro there though

[quartz pond]

That is bizarre, never heard of that one

Steam itself actually makes the game folder (Balatro in this case)

[steep field]

interesting, in that I've not had this issue with other games

[quartz pond]

Maybe manually make it?

If you boot to main menu it should have some files in it

[steep field]

upper case?

[quartz pond]

Balatro

Just like that

[steep field]

relaunched, changed in-game settings, exited, folder's still empty

[quartz pond]

I wonder if it made the folder elsewhere... Is there a folder in Roaming called 'Love'

Or 'Love2D'

Or maybe a different user on your PC?

[steep field]

AppData\Roaming\LOVE

[quartz pond]

Yeah what's in there

[quartz pond]

Oh no those are other steam games that use Love2D as an engibe

[quartz pond]

I don't have many ideas but could you search for *.jkr on your PC? That is the extension for savedata I use

Might take a while but if it's being saved somewhere you'll find it that way

[steep field]

I will mention one thing that is likely relevant: due to storage constraints, my AppData folder is symbolic-linked to another drive than my main user folder (as per the instructions from https://superuser.com/questions/1250288/can-i-move-my-appdata-folder-in-windows-10)

but as I said, other games don't seem to have this issue on my machine

[quartz pond]

Oh

[steep field]

Windows search is such a scam, been on the "3% left" on the search for minutes

[quartz pond]

My guess is you won't find them - I assume it has something to do with those symlinks but I don't know. I haven't seen this issue before

[steep field]

alas...

[quartz pond]

The symlinked drive isn't full right?

[quartz pond]

Or also try running the EXE with steam open as admin

[steep field]

no luck as far as I can tell, still empty Balatro folder

same if I just run the Balatro.exe as admin

ok, more data:

I also played some on another PC. I just copied over my data from its Balatro folder into mine, and it seems to load fine.

but changing settings locally doesn't seem to write to it

[quartz pond]

Any games in the last day write to that roaming folder?

Besides Balatro

[steep field]

sure, just checked with Brotato

can see the Date Modified as today on the files for it too

[quartz pond]

Oh wait

What drive is it installed on, same one?

[steep field]

yes

both Balatro Playtest and Brotato are on my H: drive

[quartz pond]

Is that where Appdata is?

[steep field]

afraid not, that's F:

And the user folder is C:

sorry I'm a weirdo, but this C: drive is friggin 54GB

over half of which is taken up by the windows install

[quartz pond]

It might be because the install and Appdata dirs are on different partitions - Love2D has its own way of saving to that folder

Can you pick to install it on F via steam?

It's like 50mb

[stone obsidian]

first is sort by rank, second is sort by suit @quartz pond

that was basic 8 of hearts btw

after i play it, it screws up again. not sure what causes it, because now it was non-basic card

[quartz pond]

Thanks for the report - I know what the issue is I'll add it to the list

[reef swan]

For some reason after looking at the Collection, the Ace got replaced by this locked joker.

Realized this is not a bug. Whoopsies.

[sick nova]

That one confused me too, but its a nice little detail once I realised it's intended 🙂

[stone obsidian]

@quartz pond it seems like the seed influences ng, the same way as base game, however starting starting deck effect seems to be different (||got different card polychromed. i assume its the same for erratic and others||)

[stone obsidian]

if you get juggler (same probably for bard) from Judgement tarot during magic sphere activation, card gets drawn from the decks and stays there during planetarium phase. after that, it goes back into the deck

i just (bought &) used Judgement and it didnt give me anything

[sick nova]

I can't enter seeds with the num pad for numbers

[sick nova]

I lost a run as I came into the A10 boss fight (right most joker is disabled) and it disabled my joker stencil. No problem I thought, I'll move a different joker to the right which will become the disabled one. Nope. Stencil was locked in as my disabled one. Even with going to the main menu and continuing again.

[quartz pond]

That is intended - were others confused or burned by that as well?

[delicate basalt]

nope, i've been rearranging my hand before the blind

[sick nova]

I guess it's just a learning experience for me then 😅

Also for burnt joker "increase hand size by 1 by selling 4tarot/planets" buffed my hand to 13 cards or so, sold the burnt joker, hand reverted to 8 cards. Makes sense in retrospect, but I had assumed the hand size increase was for the whole run, I'd just lose the opportunity to make my hand bigger than its current value when selling the burnt joker.

[fallow brook]

only once. Now I remember to move the jokers appropriately between the big blind and the boss 😄

[quartz pond]

I think I prefer to keep it permanent for that one card as that is more difficult, but if there's a simple reword I can do on that description I wouldn't mind clarifying

[steep field]

No luck, even installed there it doesn't write to my appdata

(it can still read from it)

[carmine cape]

What's the length limitation on the wording? Shortest I can write it clearly is "Joker that starts in rightmost slot disabled"

[unique drum]

Start of round: Disable your rightmost Joker

[carmine cape]

That is also a good wording

[steep field]

or, more plain-Englishly, "At the start of the round, disable your rightmost Joker". Perhaps add "for this round" or something.

[quartz coral]

After getting the victory screen, if you push the main menu button you can go back to continue the same run.

If you do, you must play your last hand again.

This also counts for your win streak.

[fallow brook]

Not sure if this is a bug or not - I wanted to unlock the "Win a run without playing three of a kind" Which I did but I had really good jokers - || dagger and wee paired with blueprint || , all foils so I continued to play - I did play a couple of 3 of a kinds AFTER the win screen. When I eventually lost Endless, the joker was not unlocked.

[quartz pond]

It should be unlocked as soon as the win screen pops up - but I will test and make sure

[sick nova]

Game just Crashed to Decktop while using SHIFT+TAB to use steam notes feature

[sick nova]

High card not flush example

Face cards debuffed, so I 'd expect the KS not to score, but for this to still be a flush?

[fallow brook]

Yeah that looks like a bug, it should still register imo

[quartz pond]

Yes that's a bug

[sick nova]

Similar story, this is a Straight instead of Straight flush

[quartz pond]

Same bug, what you think should happen is correct

[sick nova]

Good stuff

[low anchor]

Hello there figure i drop something I found while playing; when the "Crystal ball" voucher procs on boss blind and getting "Soul" Tarrot (which gives you a legendary joker) which I got Chicot which should have disabled the boss blind's effect but did not. I don't have any photos of this but should be easy to replicate.

[thick forge]

If your deck has run out of cards and you play all the cards from your hand during the Hook Blind (the one which discards one card after each hand), the game crashes. Also I think integer precision would be better here, lmao.

[quartz pond]

Wow what a bug 🪲, are you using windows or a different platform?

[thick forge]

I'm playing on windows. Love the game btw. The most fun I've had with a roguelite since the launch of Slay the Spire

[quartz pond]

Thank you! Glad you're enjoying it. And thanks for the bug report!

[quartz coral]

Is flower pot supposed to not work on boss blinds with disabled suits?

[quartz coral]

used hermit card while deck was being reshuffled

Aaaaand run is also dead

[quartz coral]

On this: Used 4 different suits with a flower pot on a boss with spades disabled. Flower pot didn't trigger. Not sure if this is intended or not, that's why i am reporting it.

[quartz pond]

Thank you so much for this context - I have received this bug report many times but your scenario made me realize the problem

[stone obsidian]

@quartz pond havent played for a while. is this because my highscore is above the limit?

i tried clicking on settings -> highscore

i also get the same error when trying to click on continue

ok, i literally cant play the game now . this happens when i play a hand (on the new run) @quartz pond is there at least a workaround to do something in the game files, so i can reset the highscore?

[quartz pond]

Ah unfortunately you'd have to delete the progress.jkr or profile.jkr for that save profile... But that will delete your in game progress. You'd still keep your unlocks and discovered cards though

Just be sure to back it up before hand, and if you could send me your savefiles so I can fix it in the next update

[stone obsidian]

If my unlocks are kept, wdym by “delete ingame progress” current run will be reset or something else?

[quartz pond]

I guess these would be deleted:
The number of times you've played each hand/card/tarot/joker etc
High scores
New game + level
Run win streak

[stone obsidian]

Oh, my NGs aswell, Sadge

is this what you needed? @quartz pond

i think that .jkr file might have deleted one of my discovers aswell

[quartz pond]

I think that's another known bug from this past week, don't know if that 204 is anything

[quartz pond]

Thanks for the files, I'll try and update the code to not crash for next update

[stone obsidian]

just out of curiousity, will you extend the limit, or just make it reset to 0 instead of null?

[quartz pond]

Might make it say 'A lot'

[stone obsidian]

do you have an estimate for the next update. and if its gonna be the release or "just" 0.9? @quartz pond

[quartz pond]

Some time next week, definitely not 1.0

[stone obsidian]

did i used same seed to grind NGs back? yes. do i regret? maybe 😅

randomly realised thats a thing, after getting upgraded pattern into this boy

[terse iron]

If you accidentally use a tarot or planet while in between the money load out the game will crash

[quartz pond]

Yeah I think if you use them in many of the transition screens the game crashes - that is a pretty major one I will be fixing

[quartz coral]

Golden ticket does not trigger if played golden card is not scored. (Disabled by boss blinds)

If gained $ due to golden ticket on hand played, bootstraps does not get updated with the current gold value for its multiplier.

[quartz coral]

I can give you 8 unlocks that aren't the problem if you need that

[reef swan]

Caino does not trigger if you destroy the face cards when The Plant is the blind in play.

[jaunty helm]

Thank you for the access to the playtest, the game is a lot of fun. If you get Troubadour when using Judgement during Tarot Reading and also have Planetarium, 2 extra cards hang on screen. Goes away after you choose a planet card.

[delicate basalt]

Re: #🎙・server-chat message about the spoons bonuses, I'm just having some fun with some seeded runs atm and after collecting all the spoon bonuses in one run, and then going endless, starting a new seeded run starts with $4 - this is a known thing right? ♥ tbh i think it would be cool if the bonuses applied to the next normal run and not to seeded runs which can be broken enough as they are

[vocal dock]

Not really a bug report, but the death tarot card reads like you should be selecting four cards - three to transform into the fourth.

[quartz pond]

What do you think the wording should be? I agree btw, but if I said 2 I think people would be also confused in the other direction, since you're technically selecting 3

[vocal dock]

What is the character limit on those cards for legibility?

[quartz pond]

3 lines of text on the card, 4 in extreme cases. So not much more than what it currently is unfortunately

[vocal dock]

Select 3 cards, all cards become a copy of the rightmost card selected

[quartz pond]

I really really want to keep the text as short as possible everywhere

[vocal dock]

No I get that, I think that's really important too

Give me some time.

[atomic sky]

Select 3 cards, the first two become a copy of the third?

this loses the "rightmost" part and would be presumed to be about the order you click them though

[noble knoll]

All 3 cards will become a copy of the rightmost selected - but i never had a problem with the wording myself

[quartz pond]

To me this seems like a problem without a perfect solution unfortunately. I just want to pick the one that is most correct

Because the effect is a little complicated until you try it and understand, but lots of Balatro is like that

[atomic sky]

could you implement a visual indicator on the "rightmost" card to suggest ah, the other two will become a copy of the one with the shiny gold outline?

i do think it's clear once you've done it literally once though

[quartz pond]

That is what gives me pause - many many in game mechanics are designed around that idea. Try once and go OHHHHHH

[noble knoll]

i find doing science and learning though doing it is more important to me even if i might lose a run with doing it

[fallow brook]

I think it is fine as it is

[quartz pond]

Still, I do want the 3 lines of info to be the most clear they possibly can be. But I agree completely I love doing that in games which is why I made it like that here

[atomic sky]

also if you put it in the context of roguelikes many games have far more obtuse or obscure explanations, if any at all. having any guidance before using it already puts it a step up

in binding of isaac you get a tarot card and until you know what it does you just have the name

[noble knoll]

there a few games where the description is not always perfect or u read it and it does something to what you thought it would do

[fallow brook]

thats why i never really got on with Roll - i didnt understand a lot of the dice - but i know if i played it more, I woulg get to understand it better - i was just put off

[quartz pond]

There's a balance - everyone I have watched has no idea what the High Priestess does (copies ability of tarot/planet to the right). Just want to help people without roguelite experience be able to enjoy the game without getting frustrated

[fallow brook]

yeah that one tripped me up slightly - i thought it was a passive ability like blueprint but I did figure it out and had a aha! moment

[quartz pond]

Thinking I can add a little box with the name of the card it will copy in the description

Like blueprint has (compatible) for example

[vocal dock]

Yeah, I just spent quite a while racking my brain, and the only thing I got to was 'Tranform up to 3 cards into your rightmost selection.' Which is literally the current writing, just shorter - so it doesn't solve any confusion, and I'd argue is slightly more confusing. The least confusing I got was 'Choose up to 3 cards to match the rightmost one.' but then it's like 'is it the rightmost card in my hand, or my selection' so it's a different confusion.

Sorry for bringing it up 😄

[quartz pond]

No please bring up things like this more - these are super easy changes that can make the game better for everyone if there's a better way

[vocal dock]

ChatGPT prefers Choose, but you know, that's ChatGPT.

[delicate basalt]

I asked glasgowgpt.com (the Scottish AI - warning the site is riddled with intrusive ads) and it suggests: “Grab yersel’ three fuckin’ cards, n tap intae the rightmost card’s mojo. Boom! They’ll aw turn intae clones o’ the rightmost card. Easy peasy, ya prick. Happy now?”

Hmm, it’s a wee bit verbose.

[quartz pond]

perfection

[sly quest]

Now I want a Scottish joker in the game that just yells at you if you could have made a better hand XD

[lucid sorrel]

But then this wording would imply it goes on the order of selection. Just saying
"makes 3 cards a copy of the rightmost selected card"
Would help clear confusion.

[lucid sorrel]

I understand what it does myself, i am just confused on one part of high priestess, what if there is no right most tarot card? Does it have no effect or does it duplicate the last tarot card used? Unfortunately i didnt try this in my demo rounds.

[delicate folio]

High Priestess confused me for a while, I'm not sure why I particularly had this issue but I kept trying to use it to "copy" the tarot card to the right but I wasn't selecting cards in my hand to activate so I was never able to actually use the High Priestess. Once I figured out how to use it, it made sense and seemed super obvious, but I was stuck for a while and I'm not sure why that is.

FWIW I don't have a better suggestion on how to reword it

[quartz coral]

Try to make effect and cost look seperate can work

Fitting the "Select up to 3 cards" on the first line, putting a full stop and then the rest of the eff feels good to me

Select up to 3 cards.
They Convert to the rightmost card selected.

[quartz coral]

OR in order to save that first line of text:

Select 2 or 3 cards.
They Convert to the rightmost card among them.

(First line could also be Select 2-3 cards)

[atomic sky]

Does it work with a single card though? Obviously the conversion doesn't go through but if you're trying to increase your Tarot usage count that's a way to spend a card but do nothing.

[lucid sorrel]

Theoretically. Yes it should with no effect

I havent tried myself though

[quartz coral]

true.

BTW: no sure about this interaction: Raised fist triggers on Debuffed cards.

[lucid sorrel]

Thats my thought too. But you could only select one other as well to limit the cards changed

[delicate basalt]

Not sure if this is a bug since I've unlocked it already, but if somehow your most used joker is a legendary... doesn't that make it impossible to unlock the Tesselation voucher?

[lucid sorrel]

Can you not get legends as foil, polychrome or holo?

[delicate basalt]

you can't buy them from the shop

[lucid sorrel]

But you can use the wheel of fortune to get it boosted.

Makes it harder, but not impossible.

[lucid sorrel]

Ah, i forgot it was a buy achievement. Nvm.

I think youre expected to get it long before a legendary card becomes your most used though.

[quartz pond]

I think that one is niche enough that it'll be pretty low on the list

[delicate basalt]

also, just use another card for a few rounds to change your most used joker i guess!

[lucid sorrel]

Well havr you tried redeeming it?

[quartz pond]

REEdeem lmao

[lucid sorrel]

Oohh the typo lmao haha

I totally read right over that 😂

[atomic urchin]

same

[lucid sorrel]

Reminds me of those zombie movies with the zombie screech "REEEEEEEE"

[atomic urchin]

i sold my extra hand space joker during the card reading...

and it stays that way now i guess

[quartz coral]

Serves you right for abusing Mr. Bones. You should be ashamed.

Mr Bones saves you from Death, but not from softlocks.

[atomic urchin]

that is true

i can still generate infinite money though

[quartz coral]

All the money in the world do not mean anything if you are dead, or softlocked

[quartz pond]

Invisible jokers die when they dupe next update, would that also nerf infinite money?

[atomic urchin]

yes

[idle osprey]

As I don't have the beta so I can't check on this but I had the tarrot card that replaces a few cards with a copy of a selected card NOT copy the modifier it was a stone card. Maybe it was working as intended idk it copied the base card not the modified version.

[quartz pond]

Did this just happen recently?

Did you select the stone card?

[idle osprey]

Yes a few days ago on the demo build.

Yeah it was. Two of something and gave me base versions.

[quartz pond]

Oops message got deleted

[idle osprey]

No it was the card I selected first but the ones I selected to turn into that turned into the base version no modifier.

[idle osprey]

Yeah i belive so

Or one similar

[quartz pond]

The Stone card was the rightmost card of the 3 you selected, 100% sure?

[idle osprey]

Yeah it was 2 so it would be.

I wish I would have screen caped it but didn't think to at the time.

Only since I joined the discord I figured I would mention it.

[quartz pond]

I'll keep an eye on it, it's a weird one because that tarot is used a ton by most people I would assume and this is the first bug report I have for it. Anyone else ever have this issue with Death?

[idle osprey]

I see the value even without the modifier in my case in a pair build not so much lol.

Just not sure if it's intentional.

[quartz coral]

Did all 3 of the cards turn to non-stone cards, or did you end up with 2 non stone cards and 1 stone card?

[idle osprey]

The one that was already stone stayed stone. The other two just morphed into the base card no stone.

Yeah figured I would do it to make the 2s more valued in my build as chip boosters or joker multi booster

[quartz pond]

was the stone card debuffed?

[idle osprey]

Nope it was in an astronomy tower session.

I can talk about it more later. I have to go back to work but wanted to mention it.

Not astromy the other one for tarrots.

[lucid sorrel]

Yeah its the death card.

Tarot card.

[sick nova]

BUG (/or unintuitive interaction): Entering a Boss Blind vs Crimson Heart, my right most joker was disabled. Crystal Ball then gave me a Soul Card, which I used (as my Ceremonial Dagger had consumed a card) producing Chicot. However, my right most card remained disabled.

[quartz pond]

Just fixed it today in my dev build

[sick nova]

That 'The Fool' display picture isn't deserved, You're The Star

just flicking through the collection in the main menu

[quartz coral]

And here's me thinking that was intentional

[quartz pond]

I think it's more fun if it saves you because honestly what are the odds that happens on the final boss

[stone obsidian]

@quartz pond im not sure if thats intentional or not (or you ever need to change that), but seeding works really strangely with card enchantments - if you use/trigger wheel of fortune, you "use" the next enchantment that is in the next shop (reroll), it doesnt matter almost at all, however if you get Polychrome (x2), you might "waste" upcoming negative card

[quartz pond]

I can give them separate pseudoseeds

[stone obsidian]

im not sure what you mean exactly by that, but easy solution would be, that wheel of fortune cant "use" negative, it should skip it

[quartz pond]

They wouldn't impact eachother anymore

[stone obsidian]

separate pseudoseeds for enchants and cards themself?

[quartz pond]

No those are already separate. I would separate the wheel of fortune edition seed from the shop edition seed so they don't interfere with eachother

[stone obsidian]

ok, i think i understand you. i want to share another strange interaction, but i need to get SSs forst

[noble knoll]

why are they called negative as I would think getting a joker without using a joker slot even if the joker might not always proc not really a negative and sometime it could be positive

[quartz pond]

It's not an indictment on their quality, its more playing on the trope of trading card games having many different levels of 'rarities', like a holo or full art pokemon card.
In some TCGs they are called reverse, I preferred the word negative

Plus it's visually different enough to help pog you up when you see it

[stone obsidian]

here, the difference between these 2 shops is that in the second one i bought judgement (and rolled marble, so it got replaced with 8 ball), but i really dont understand why the f the order of first 2 is the same @quartz pond

[delicate basalt]

I love the negatives, especially the aesthetics! what's their drop rate? I found just one on a 90 round run the other day

[stone obsidian]

i would assume that getting joker from judgement would advance the entire shop rotation, however it seems to only advance "enchantment" on the jokers

[quartz pond]

The pseudoseed for judgement and the shop is different for the actual joker card, but they share the same edition pseudoseed so the payout got moved up 1 joker. That should also be split I think

You're going to find a bunch of stuff like that in the game, player decision making plays so much of a role in some of the pseudo-randomness that I can't make every seeded run completely identical

[stone obsidian]

also, can you please explain how seeding works with Wheel a bit more? im asking because i was trying this thing out, realised that Wheel polychrome wasted negative, sold both my Dices, yet still rolled 1/4 twice

[stone obsidian]

no no no, im not complaining, im just asking cos that specific thing didnt really make sense to me

[quartz pond]

The seeding works basically like this:
Wheel of fortune has a seed. That seed makes every roll of a random number generator known ahead of time. So if it pays out 1/4 of the time then it may roll:
0.7... (Higher than 1/4, no payout), 0.9... (higher than 1/4, no payout), 0.1... (lower than 1/4, payout)

Then, once a payout is determined, it looks for an edition to apply based on their comparitive rarity. For example, if polychrome is 1/10, holo 4/10 and foil 5/10 it rolls another random number and finds which rarity it should be based on that. Then it applies it

These numbers are always between 0 and 1.
so less than 0.1 = polychrome, between 0.1 and 0.5 = holo, between 0.5 and 1 = foil

I made those numbers up but it's something like that

[stone obsidian]

last q, what are the base odds for editions?

[quartz pond]

I think I have tweaked them every update I have pushed so these aren't set in stone, but let me see one sec

local edition_poll = pseudorandom(pseudoseed('edition')) if edition_poll > 1 - 0.003 then edition.negative = true elseif edition_poll > 1 - 0.006*G.GAME.edition_rate then edition.polychrome = true elseif edition_poll > 1 - 0.02*G.GAME.edition_rate then edition.holo = true elseif edition_poll > 1 - 0.04*G.GAME.edition_rate then edition.foil = true end

[stone obsidian]

btw, not really a bug, but just to be consistent you should change wording on ~half of the upgraded vouchers, cos half of them states their effect as an override to the basic version (income, tarots, spoons etc) and half as a bonus (+ hands, + discards, +rerolls)

[quartz pond]

edition_rate is the multiplier from the hone/glow up vouchers

[quartz pond]

The hand one for example, if it said '+2 hands per round' I think that would confuse people when it only adds one

And I understand what you are getting at but if you see Nacho tongs for the first time and it says +1 hand people won't think that it does nothing

[stone obsidian]

how much does both tarot vouchers give?

x10 or x5?

[quartz pond]

5

Same with planet and glow up

Anyway I have to go actually fix some bugs here

[stone obsidian]

i think in these cases devs usually emphasize on the bonus, so something like "you get ADDITIONAL 1 reroll", or "you get BONUS +10$ at the next run" etc

[quartz pond]

I am travelling to visit family all next week so I want to push this update tomorrow

[stone obsidian]

ng+5 included? 🙂

[quartz pond]

No

It's a huge update already my backlog is still massive, that will come in a later one

[stone obsidian]

wait, are you talking about the skipping overhaul?

for tomorrow?

[quartz pond]

Yeah

I'll push to experimental branch first

[delicate basalt]

I've been using an autoclicker to see if anything breaks, misbehaves or crashes after thousands of clicks a minutes to buttons and cards and so far absolutely nothing, nice work localt!

[leaden basalt]

HEYA, WE GOT CRASHING!!!! Did the first Boss Blind without touching the others and THIS HAPPENED!!

[quartz pond]

Did you try continuing a run or was that a new run?

[leaden basalt]

New Run

VERY NEW RUN!!

[quartz pond]

And did you skip the first 2 blinds?

[leaden basalt]

Correct!

Attempting to see if that was a one of...

Ok, it might have been because of the modifiers.

Because I was able to go onwards this time

[quartz pond]

What do you mean by that? The rewards you got for skipping?

[delicate folio]

Bug Report: The tag that gives you a free tarot reading where you're given 5 cards has the 5 card selection persist to future tarot card readings; I'm using the magic deck, and have replicated the bug using the magic deck.

I haven't been able to get the tarot voucher and tarot tag without the magic deck, but it'll just be a matter of time to see if I can replicate it that way.

[stone obsidian]

@quartz pond i did some more testing with the saves, and it seems like the fortune wheel works very strangely with normal enchants. i tried rerolling with 0 of them used, 1 used, 2 used etc. and every time the result was different - if you have lets say negative on reroll 20 (with 0 wheels used), on 1 wheel used it now appears on reroll 18 (skipping like 5 jokers in line) and on 2 used negative does not appear at all

its not a bug per se, but would like to know the inner logic behind it, before you leave for the week 🙂

[leaden basalt]

Only happens when getting the $15 with somethign in the shop..

From Skipping the Blindf

[quartz pond]

I just pushed another update that should fix both issues @leaden basalt @delicate folio

[leaden basalt]

Bet!

When will the new update hit?

[quartz pond]

It should be out now

What does it say on your main meny screen

[stone obsidian]

still .8.6c for me

[leaden basalt]

Still showing the .8.6c tag...

Might be a thing with the updater..

[quartz pond]

You might need to restart steam, or maybe it takes a few mins

Once it's updated it'll say 0.8.7

[stone obsidian]

what would happen with existing runs? mainly asking for already ourchased deleted spoons

[quartz pond]

Spoons mean nothing now, past and present

[leaden basalt]

The Emergency Patch just kicked in!!

[quartz pond]

spoons are dead to me

[stone obsidian]

but are they dead for the game? and i assume the new vouchers will be automatically be unlocked?

[fallow brook]

never did unlock the other spoons voucher... sadge

[stone obsidian]

what was the unlock for it? 1k gold?

[quartz pond]

It's as if they never existed. Old saves with spoon may crash - I tried to look after all scenarios but I'm not a full dev team

Also no the new vouchers need to be discovered and unlocked

Theyre totally different

[fallow brook]

play spoons in 3 consecutive games I think?

[stone obsidian]

i assume with this update, all of the previous seeds will work "almost" the same?

[quartz pond]

essentially yeah

Although in your screenshots seeded runs are now in red and unseeded ones are in black

[stone obsidian]

thats fine, just making sure that i dont need to not close game during the current run

[quartz pond]

@leaden basalt @delicate folio and anyone else on the beta branch - any issues so far with that newest update?

[stone obsidian]

well, looks like old runs need to be retired

[quartz pond]

Shouldn't be no, let me try and fix that one. I tried making saves upgradeable to 0.8.7

[stone obsidian]

i pressed on "continue run", purchased/rerolled the shop couple of times, clicked on next blind, got this error.
restarted the game, clicked on "continue the run" and get the same error now, before going to the shop

[quartz pond]

I know the issue
Sorry for deleting messages - no need to debug the issue I know what the problem is now I just don't want a bunch of extra stuff going on in this channel

[stone obsidian]

i assume its because i wasnt on the boss blind? so game didnt knew what was it supposed to propose to me?

[stone obsidian]

well, looks like vouchers now have different order of appearing 😅 ||rip my turn 1 tarot voucher 😂 ||

[quartz pond]

New experimental build just pushed, should fix the issue. May need to wait a couple mins

[delicate folio]

OK, I've got a weird one. Haven't experimented much yet to see if I can replicate the bug under different circumstances.

Bug: Continuing a game can cause the current blind to be repeated.

Steps I did:

1. Skip small and big blind of Antes 1 and 2, playing the boss blinds.
2. Start small blind of Ante 3.
3. Quit to main menu then quit to desktop.
4. Re-open game, continue and finish small blind of Ante 3.
5. You should now be on the skip or play choice for Big blind of Ante 3, but instead I'm on the skip or play choice of Small blind of Ante 3.

[stone obsidian]

just restarted the steam*, and either fix is still not out, or it got updated without me noticing and the problem is not fixed. i will start a new run, and will check again in an hour

[quartz pond]

if you go to manage > properties > updates it should say Build ID: 11600448 if it is updated

[stone obsidian]

yep. 448

[leaden basalt]

We good on my end

[quartz pond]

If that bug is still happening can you send me the save file?

[stone obsidian]

@quartz pond unfortunately i already reset 2 of my saves that had a run going, but the saves that i sent to you should? have one up

[quartz pond]

Ah okay thank you

[stone obsidian]

@quartz pond is it intentional that the upgraded blank unlock did not appear after finishing the run?

or vouchers dont have that thing, only jokers

[quartz pond]

@delicate folio @stone obsidian Pushed another update, both issues should be fixed

[quartz pond]

You used it 10 times?

And it didn't show the unlock screen for it in the main menu?

[stone obsidian]

yes

[quartz pond]

It should have, thought I tested that one

What seed were you using?

[stone obsidian]

0000000d

[quartz pond]

Believe it or not that is a bug from an update like 2 weeks ago. It is fixed and pushed to a new update

The notifications were only happening on profile 1

11601075 should be that build number

[stone obsidian]

@quartz pond is there a chance that with new update you hardcoded no Magic ball from first voucher? asking because i tried ~40 seeds by now and previously working one with first blind voucher also give Magic ball from the second ante

[quartz pond]

I did not

[delicate basalt]

I haven't been reading everything so this might've come up already - I started a new profile on the new beta patch, is this a thing?

I bought it, it did nothing.

https://tenor.com/view/jason-bateman-i-dont-know-what-i-expected-arrested-development-micheal-bluth-idk-what-i-expected-gif-10013682

[stone obsidian]

this is replacement for Spoons#

[delicate basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-face-surprised-wee-bey-the-wire-revelation-gif-23831754

ah yes, i just seen the collections tab, collect 10 blanks. i am an idiot.

[atomic urchin]

first shop btw

[quartz coral]

skipping both blinds on ante 7 didn't do that for me, replying only due to relevance.

[atomic urchin]

funny thing is: i once skipped to the first boss with 2 extra vouchers and there is worked

[quartz coral]

Ante 10 boss appearing on ante 9. Petroglyph run. Other noteworthy things about this run: Mr. Death triggered on previous boss, and a boss was rerolled due to a blind skip and it was entered while the reroll animation was still playing.

Unfortunately didn't reach ante 10 to see what would happen.

[stone obsidian]

because skipping 2 battles means you are in the shop for the next voucher

i assume its just a bad wording on the Tag, its supposed to mean "next voucher shop"

oh wait nvm, you are on ante 2 already

[stone obsidian]

is this intentional? im in the next ante shop, however i dont see blinds

[terse iron]

i'm in beta but mine hasn't updated to the new branch

i found the problem

[quartz coral]

Matador triggers on Manacle even with no discards left.

Negative tag stayed on after shop, even with sound effect heard (which sound effect is quite neat). First card offered was a gold seal card, and I am pretty sure second was a joker.

[sick nova]

Bug Report: Erratic Deck is a totally normal deck

actually, I clicked back to get the seed, and it was randomised, guess the menu was just behind a bit

[waxen needle]

I just skipped both blinds and defeated The Water. The tags I got were the Investment Tag and the Polychrome tag. Two unusual things happened when I got to the post-boss shop: one, the Polychrome tag didn't disappear, even though it's supposed to only be for the one shop after getting it, and two: opening the blinds window showed a mixture of the just defeated ante and the upcoming one:

It has the "Skipped/Defeated", names, and symbols of the just defeated ante, but the target and tags of the upcoming ante, which turned out to be this once I left the shop:

I just did the same thing for THAT blind and both bugs happened again, so it's consistant:

..huh, I actually still have the Polychrome tag in the next ante, and I played both the big and the boss in 4:

[hasty light]

Umm I thought this was fixed

[waxen needle]

Okay same game, I now just fought a cerulean bell on ante 9, and am fighting The Mark as the final boss on ante 10. Seems like the ante got thrown off by one or something, but I never got either voucher that does that. Seed 2HA673Q9. I'm backing up the save in case it'd help

[quartz coral]

Another Ante 9 Big boss. Did the boss pools change? Seed ||Z4K8M4RF||

[stone obsidian]

Tarot tag overrides the Magic ball choice, instead of adding

[quartz pond]

That is intended

Kind of a nerf to the crystal ball

[hasty light]

@quartz pond the nil highscore crashing the game isn't fixed for me

[stone obsidian]

Matador works with Discard blind, even if you have 0 discards left

second time saw that this tag doesnt trigger sometimes, even if you have non-edition jokers in shop

i dont think it triggers at all, if you skipped more than 1 blind or something like that

[tidal flower]

Minor odd visual-only behavior after tarot selecting wheel of fortune on fortune teller. In to the next round the joker (fortune teller) was floating as if selected somehow until first hand was played.

[fallow brook]

😮 is Paridolia meant to apply to stone cards???

[quartz pond]

It is!

[quartz coral]

Is using "The hanged man" mid fight, supposed to refill your hand on usage?

[quartz pond]

No it is not designed to. Should it?

[quartz coral]

I don't think it should, but it felt a bit weird

first time i used it mid fight, it felt not intuitive. Like, I get why it didn't work, but it feels a bit meh

[low anchor]

I think I found a GUI bug with the Blinds while using Tarrot cards between rounds: (i was able to replicated and record it in action it does it with multiple tarrot cards also Planet cards) [Great game keep up the awesome work <3]

[quartz pond]

Thank you for the video!
Please don't mark with the beetle 🙂 I use that reaction to triage my backlog

[low anchor]

oh my bad

[quartz pond]

No worries I didn't mention it anywhere

Maybe I'll disable it for this channel for other users

[pearl scroll]

There's an audio bug that make the soundtrack stuck and play sound like when application is hang/stop responding. I dont have a record and steps to recreate, just wanna give awareness of this issue but maybe others with same issue can confirm

[waxen needle]

When you accidentally click to start a new run after losing a run, you're locked into the New Run menu with no way to escape to back out to the results screen or the main menu, you're forced to start a new run

[sick nova]

BUG: I was offered a Lukcy Ace of Clubs in my shop. I had 6/6 Jokers, so when I tried to buy the Ace, it gave me the 'No More Room' alert. Sold a joker, bought the Ace and it went straight to my deck. Doesn't make any sense that it couldn't be purchased with 6/6 jokers, so I assume bug.

[tidal flower]

Unsure if unintended but going down an ante after victory brings up winning screen after defeating ante 10 again

[quartz coral]

Soul gave me a holo legendary joker; intended?

[quartz pond]

I have never seen that, not intended. Did you have a tag for holo chance?

[atomic urchin]

i got a polychrome caino during my mr bones run before the update

[quartz pond]

Actually maybe it is doable

Which would mean negative should be possible too

[lucid sorrel]

Interesting 🤔 and obviously the wheel of fortune will never make a joker negative right? So a negative joker while super effing rare would be super op 😂

[quartz pond]

Correct, I tried very hard to make Negatives non huntable. Like you can't reasonably force a negative version of a particular card on a non seeded run

[quartz coral]

I cannot remember

[sick zodiac]

found a bug
basically i was supposed to get 3 tarrot cards in total cus of the 2 from skip and the other 1 cus of the deck im using

[atomic urchin]

not a bug

[sick zodiac]

ah

sucks

[quartz coral]

This also just happened with Judgement.

Seed: ||IUF8RTAX||, checkered deck

you start the game with said judgement, this got me foil space joker.

Another one:

Sold a Tarot card during boss description animation; got twice the sell value.

[sick zodiac]

its probably intended

[atomic urchin]

idk about that

[sick zodiac]

logically speaking

how else would u get legendaries with that stuff

since im pretty sure u cant buy em

[quartz coral]

Run went Checkered deck, -> Free tarot reading tag -> Emperor -> Accidentally sold Lovers during boss animation -> Double ka'tching sound, and double the money.

Tried to replicate; couldn't

[atomic urchin]

you can double sell pretty much anything at any time

just have to click again at the right time

[quartz coral]

done that again

not emperor or tag related

I think I double clicked, yeah

and not boss related either, you're right

Also got another holo from judgement lmao

Seed: ||2IBH5F94||, skip for tarot tag

[atomic urchin]

this also works for activating planets / tarots (i think) and can be done more than once

[quartz coral]

Confirming

it's something about double clicking

hi 🙂

That's in abusing it from planetarium

Attempted doing the same with autoclicker, can't really get it to work

however, you can chain it, and it's not that hard to do it. But i couldn't really do it consistently manually, and not at all with the autoclicker, unless i was also clicking.

Tried click intervals of 1, 10, 30, 50 and 70 ms, none was working.

Couldn't sell something 3 times in a row or more though.

and in video format:

and i can now do it consistently

[quartz pond]

I know header mentioned this is not a bug, which is correct, but I wanted it to work this way to make crystal ball and telescope slightly less necessary

@quartz coral @atomic urchin thanks for conducting the science on that one, I'll make sure to patch it next

[quartz coral]

If boss is rerolled through tag, Director's cut is disabled

[quartz pond]

That is not a bug, by design, but now that I think about it for one second it should let you reroll still. I'll add it to the backlog

[stone obsidian]

Judgement just gives you the card that is next in the shop. That’s definitely intended. I can share a seed where I got starting negative from Silver deck if you want

[quartz coral]

Cool, just reporting it because of Soul not being supposed to give you a polychrome legendary joker

[quartz pond]

I think I was mistaken, it's possible and intended it was just a very long time since I worked on that part of the codebase

[quartz coral]

Fair then!

[stone obsidian]

but no negatives, right?

[quartz pond]

I don't know for sure because I'm not near my code - but I believe it's possible. If negatives from Judgement are then the soul should be possible too

It's super super unlikely though

[stone obsidian]

oh, you removed reactions 😦

[quartz pond]

Yes people were using the bug reaction and I was using that for triaging bugs. Just for this one channel though

[quartz coral]

...Unless it derives from the Wheel Of Fortune part of the code

[quartz pond]

No it wouldn't - I know it's similar to Judgement

[quartz coral]

Fair

[sick zodiac]

well suggestion: make it stack

by that i mean make it so u can get multiple at once or something

[quartz pond]

I know that would give you more tarot readings but it would also not be a nerf to Crystal Ball then, since it'll still give you an extra tarot reading every round no matter how many Charm tags you get

[sick zodiac]

why nerf it tho?

[quartz pond]

Lots of complaints that is was basically a requirement for every run. Still is I think but slightly less with Charm tags

[sick zodiac]

huh??? i was able to get decent runs without it lmao

[stone obsidian]

decent run without it is not an argument against that voucher. for higher NGs, early magic ball is pretty much mandatory

[quartz pond]

I had a crazy idea where you can only get Tarot reading on Big Blind and Boss Blind, and you can only get Planetarium on Small Blind and Boss Blind. That may make it less required. I'd have to adjust balance accordingly but it could help.

Problem is that while it's required for harder NG+ runs, it's also fun so I'm hesitant to directly nerf

I also don't want to have it on by default for every deck though. The tarot reading/planetarium have been a bit of a headache

[tender rampart]

I could help test that Idea, if you want assistance.

[quartz coral]

On that, I can add the following suggestion:

Berid of Tarot Reading/Planetarium. Add 2 extra slots in the shop. First 2 slots are always jokers, 3rd slot is always tarot, 4th slot is always planet.

That would also require having an extra slot for using Tarots however, so that you can more easily use card manipulating tarots originating from shop.

[lucid sorrel]

I honestly like this solution. Keeps everything in game but gives you choices of tarot or planet cards every shop. Money would be much more a factor though so i think it was mentione before about increasing starting cash to like 10 or so? And then normal income per turn as it is now (leaving out gold cards, jokers etc that obviously effect $$ and income)

But ultimately the 4 card shop would effect your budgeting because with 2 jokers, 1 planet and 1 tarot you likely wouldnt have enough for all. Of course this begs the question would the planets and tarot cards in shop also refresh like jokers? Or leave it like the old vouchers.

As in planets and tarots would update every shop, but youd only get the one of each that shop, where vouchers stay with the current 1 voucher per ante ratio.

[frigid wing]

So on my way to finding this discord to report another bug I stumbled across this:
No idea why it happened, but happened in between me clicking the discord symbol and tabbing back in

[quartz pond]

Not a bug! Intentionally shows you an unlock you don't have yet

[frigid wing]

ah! never saw that before haha

[quartz pond]

Only shows up after you win

[frigid wing]

Well, the actual bug I wanted to report was that after checking the blinds in run info after beating the boss blind (aka in the shop) it doesn't yet show the next set of blinds (it says skipped/defeated and the defeated boss), however the score amounts and skip rewards are updated

Another thing is that the loyalty card in fact triggers every 6 hands played and not 5 as it says (0 index). Can change the labeling or code depending on intention.

I am also confused at what the Ring leader is supposed to do: J/T/P cards appear where exactly multiple times? It already does in the shop do they not?

[quartz pond]

This is a wording issue on my part. Real loyalty cards say 'get 1 free sandwich for every 5 you buy' which is 1 in 6, but the loyalty card in Balatro doesn't make it clear that for every 5 normal hands you play you get a 6th bonus Xmult

[green crypt]

Oh! It means that you can get duplicates of them when originally, without that card, you cannot

[quartz pond]

Yes for example you can have a banana in your joker area and it can show up again in the shop

[green crypt]

This is me being silly, getting five bananas unlocks the Donkey Kong Joker

[quartz pond]

Normally you can't see multiple versions of the same card

[frigid wing]

Hahahahaha

Hmm feels kinda bad though, since you won't actually be able to use it until you got like 1000 cash for rerolls, the chances of finding a duplicate are quite slim (especially if you have x2 plaet/tarot) while searching for 1 or two specific jokers. Maybe needs a buff in finding duplicates or something

Or maybe a multiplier for having unique jokers

[lucid sorrel]

Honestly thatd be awesome😂😂

[brittle remnant]

If you have the joker that lets you make straights/flushes with only four cards, it appears that if you make a 4-card straight flush and include a fifth card that continues the straight but does not continue the flush, it will count the fifth card for scoring on the hand. I had it happen to me twice in a game. Didn't realize what was happening at first, but I caught a screenshot of it the second time. You can see that the 5 of diamonds is sitting up high with the rest of the cards, instead of down lower where the cards that aren't scored sit

[quartz pond]

That is intended, maybe a bit confusing, but I consider a straight flush to be a hand that is both a straight and a flush, which that hand is

[brittle remnant]

Fair point. I always thought of it as a straight that is completely flush, but that's also the only kind that's available in real poker 🙂

[quartz pond]

Same goes if you played a king of clubs instead of the 9 of clubs, you'd have a 5678 straight and 678K flush but that would still score as a straight flush

That 4 card hand joker makes it a little wacky

[brittle remnant]

Makes sense, good info! Makes the joker a bit stronger, which is nice

[frigid wing]

Hmm, I believe I got one of those hands where one of the flush cards didn't score... was playing on speed though, so not sure
hint add score breakdown of last played hand

[lucid sorrel]

Yeah that will happen but only if the non suited card is on either end. If its in the middle it wont be a straight flush, the four fingers card means that the 4 sequential cards being the same is a straight flush, but the 5th extra card is just bonus chips for the hand.

[lucid sorrel]

Maybe a log of hands played to bring up would be beneficial for like the "no repeated hands" boss and some other things. I have seen streamers think they had a flush but they had one spade selected when they were going clubs and they are all "what? Why did i only get a pair?" Could be helpful

[quartz pond]

That's not true

Where are you getting that information? Did that happen to you? @lucid sorrel

[lucid sorrel]

Sorry thats my bad then. No i admit i just assumed that one and didnt actually try it in game. I will the next chance i get.

🤦‍♂️🫡

@quartz pond

[sick nova]

Crash Report, no error message: Opened game, clicked collection, skipped around a bit, clicked options, Crashed to Desktop

[quartz pond]

Able to recreate?

Seems like you have been having stability issues with the game. May I ask what graphics card you have?

Because Love2D has a known issue with a particular driver version of some AMD cards

[sick nova]

GPU is a 3070. Updated drivers/windows etc last week

[quartz pond]

Definitely not that then. Very odd, I have the same card and I don't remember the last time I had a full crash like that without a crash report

[sick nova]

Clicked around the menus a bunch and it's ok, happens sometimes randomly in game too, but as the game saves and can be continued at any time, it's not a big issue

[quartz pond]

I am concerned about it if more than 1 person has this issue, but it's impossible for me to test or tell what is causing it right now without a pattern.
If anyone else has stability issues with the game (crashing without a crash report screen) please let me know if this sounds familiar

[frigid wing]

For me it only crashed once, and your crash report screen did appear. However I have another issue on my laptop where if I close it and then wake it up again the game is in a frozen black and I have to manually close down and restart it, as if it has trouble realizing the computer is awake again

[stone obsidian]

I had also a crash without a report, but it’s related to me playing on laptop - if it goes into locked mode (not from key combo but from time out) when the game is open - after you reopen it it has like x100 speed animation for couple of seconds then crashes

[quartz coral]

Hey loc's, I duped again

Seed: WPTZT2V7

See now, I really want to get both the vouchers just to see if that would break something

yeah fuck that run

well, othing happened, just got 2 extra hands

oh well

[quartz pond]

Thanks for the report! That dupe is from the tag right?

[quartz coral]

yep!

And again on this seed

KTVC2MVK

Shop after ante 2 boss

[low anchor]

I got two different bugs but first I'll space them out: From what I have noticed, normally joker effect activates before it's "Edition" (foil holographic,etc.). Here i found that the polychrome Abstract Joker doesn't seem to obey that normal order of activation. (Video below for that.)

Another bug probably one that could be overlooked till later is... my screen capture Streamlabs OBS would capture a still of the screen (when i Alt+tab'd) when i first attempted to recorded the bug above. That said I managed a work around by putting it into windowed. I did test a bit and found it did it both in borderless and windowed. (with it first being discovered on borderless). Not sure if much could be done on this front but... figured i report it anyways

[quartz coral]

I used OBS studio a bit before, didn't encounter that second bug

[low anchor]

I think it might be one that is hard to replicate because it's not constant

[quartz pond]

Proc order goes as follows iirc:
Joker "played card" effects (like scholar)
Joker "held card" effects (like raised fist)
Joker Edition effect (polychrome)
Joker base effect (like abstract)

[low anchor]

good to know: so not a bug

[quartz pond]

3 options:
Editions trigger then base triggers (current)

Base triggers then edition triggers (if the base was an Xmult and edition was Holo this would still be the same issue in reverse)

Polychrome always triggers after, foil and Holo always trigger first (guaranteed most chips this way, least simple but maybe it's not a huge deal)

So not a bug per se but maybe an opportunity for improvement

[sick zodiac]

found a bug
instead of being per hand played its per card played

[atomic urchin]

u sure?

[quartz pond]

Can you make the bottom number an odd number to confirm

[sick zodiac]

hold on

nvm its sum else

i played a high card and it still got +2

[quartz pond]

It's always +2, patch yesterday buffed from 1 to 2

[sick zodiac]

e

oh

im stupid

very stupid

it says on the card

used to it being +1

[quartz pond]

All good I assume most people stop reading the card once they recognize them

[sick zodiac]

pretty much

[true bear]

Unsure if this is just a steam deck thing, but on the demo, during the loading/intro screen, there’s a horizontal red bar that appears for a split second. (Definitely not a high priority, as it only happens there)

But only sometimes

[quartz pond]

Likely the CRT effect - if you turn CRT down to 0 do you see it?

[true bear]

I cannot access settings anymore, I’ve done all 50 rounds

[quartz pond]

Ah okay, was it a very thin red line? Ever see a green version of the same thing?

[true bear]

Yeah, a thin red line. And I have not seen a green one

[blissful pecan]

I saw same thing but green. I assume it's already known

[blissful pecan]

Also, I have TV connected to PC as second monitor, and it seems like Balatro really doesn't want to cooperate with big monitors. It has about 43" and is running on 3840x2160 resolution. On windowed mode it works great, just as intended. On Borderless, game is in 1/4th of the screen with locked resolution setting (Picture 1), and to interact with game u have to move mouse over areas where normally would be buttons but there aren't (Video 1). On Fullscreen, game opens nicely (Picture 2), but when my PC is focused on Balatro, my mouse stays on monitor 1 and I cannot move it to monitor 2. When i click for example on desktop, Balatro minimizes to taskbar. When I focus PC on Balatro, my mouse instantly moves to first monitor (Video 2 explained with voice [watch out for your ears]). I had same issue with only Fullscreen bug that made mouse not showing up in game window with Overwatch, so it can be on my end tho. I'm not sure. But this borderless bug I've never seen before.

Picture 1

Picture 2

Video 1

Video 2 (Watch out for ears)

[unique drum]

If, say, your entire deck is debuffed because you went all-in on a suit and the game hates you (not based on a real example) and you play a straight flush with a wild card in it, the game counts it as just a straight

It might be intentional but it feels unintuitive and I think it literally creates a paradox (Diamonds are debuffed -> wild card counts as a Diamond -> wild card is debuffed -> no longer a wild card -> no longer a Diamond)

[quartz pond]

Thanks for the very detailed bug report!

[quartz pond]

The wildcard is treated as its base suit for all scoring purposes for those bosses since it is debuffed, but the enhancement effect is considered (even when debuffed) when determining whether the card should be debuffed. So in the code at least there is not a paradox

Since wildcard is the effect, and the debuff disables all effects, I feel like keeping the wildcard effect would be more confusing

[blissful pecan]

Np, I already "stole" 2 laptops from my family to play demo again so I might have more bugs incoming 😅

[quartz pond]

Did that work for you? It's based on your steam account

[blissful pecan]

I already tired to make new Steam accounts and reinstalling game, but it saved progress anyway.

I played on different devices and their accounts

And then in finally worked

[blissful pecan]

I thought it was a way to make sure u can't play more than 50 rounds, even on different accounts, but from your response I guess it wasn't intentional XD

[quartz pond]

As of right now it should be based on your account

[blissful pecan]

Idk if u still have to change devices, I was doing it anyway because just account change didn't work for me.

[young barn]

Cloud saves don’t seem to be working

[sick zodiac]

is this intentional?

[atomic urchin]

yes

[sick zodiac]

ight

ima unlock it then

@atomic urchin i found a bug

didnt record it

i have the seed

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basically it has to do sum with having 2 ride the bus cards and i accidently played a face card and the mults didnt reset, they switched places between eachother i think

[quartz pond]

Was the face card included in the scoring poker hand?

[sick zodiac]

nah

[quartz pond]

Ride the bus was recently changed to not include non-scoring cards to make it consistent with every other joker effect in the game

[sick zodiac]

reasonable, should change the description

also small notice, in #📜・rules it says "Balatro 0.8.6"

[quartz pond]

That's an old announcement

[sick zodiac]

ye ik

should still change it tbh

[young barn]

a couple things I've noticed today, if I have an audio output change in windows while the game is open, I lose audio with no way to fix it without a relaunch

i.e I have the game open, listening through bluetooth headphones, they disconnect, then upon reconnect, audio never resumes from the game