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[raw fractal]

Then get rid of it once i scale stuff higher

[daring citrus]

ITS OVER

I GOT PILAR

[raw fractal]

ooof

[alpine orbit]

i mean if u get that

then

i mean

uve already won

xd

[daring citrus]

OR WHATEVER ITS CALLED IN ENGLISH

[alpine orbit]

doesn't mean it's bad it wins me runs

[raw fractal]

true...

[alpine orbit]

obelisk?

obelisk is amazing

i dislike using it

but it's great

[raw fractal]

I think they mean

the boss blind

[alpine orbit]

oh...

[daring citrus]

it disables all the cards i used in the previous ante

its over

[grim mist]

negative skip tag
look inside
photochad
this is why we always gamble with skip tags ❤️‍🩹

[ember root]

Just skip ahead dog

[wintry patrol]

not previous ante

[raw fractal]

Beautiful

[wintry patrol]

it’s the current ante

[raw fractal]

This needs to be put in the louvre

[small hemlock]

Speaking obelisk, i actually found a usage for obelisk, it's a good card :0

[alpine orbit]

new boss idea: disables all cards played in all previous antes

[small hemlock]

...here's Verdant Leaf

[wintry patrol]

ignore the fact that photo would still be in this shop without the negative skip

[meager plank]

Negative gros michel

[raw fractal]

New joker idea: No cards are face cards

[fiery flower]

I found out The Pillar is actually surprisingly dangerous with DNA

[meager plank]

New joker idea: no cards are scored

[raw fractal]

Whoa...

[fiery flower]

if you don't win the first hand and play again you're fine, but if you sell or use something before playing another hand it spontaneously debuffs all of the cards DNA made

[raw fractal]

I think you might be a genius

[grim mist]

yeah ignore that

[uneven edge]

verdant leaf

[meager plank]

I didn’t take the negative tag and I got 3 chad 2 photo

[uneven edge]

verdant leaf^

[meager plank]

I’m eating cheez it

[raw fractal]

True

[daring citrus]

yeah its over

[meager plank]

New challenge idea: every blind is naneinf

[raw fractal]

Whats ur build

[daring citrus]

diamondsss

[meager plank]

How do you have 10 hand size

[raw fractal]

Oh

[daring citrus]

only 1 hand left

[raw fractal]

ye youre fucked

[tranquil oak]

Vouchers

[ember root]

Vouchers I assume

[daring citrus]

it actually depends on the size of your weiner

how many inches indicates the hand size

[meager plank]

New challenge idea: black deck

[raw fractal]

So thats why I had 10 hands my last balatro run

[daring citrus]

a big black deck

[meager plank]

I wonder if it needs caulk

[raw fractal]

-1 discard every card played

[candid kernel]

hi guys were people actually calling card sharp bad here

[meager plank]

The shop sucks, judgement from purple seals is the only good thing that comes from it

[candid kernel]

what

[meager plank]

Game would be better if instead of selling jokers it was just more packs

[candid kernel]

what

[meager plank]

Yk how the bottom part of the shop has some packs

[candid kernel]

yeah?

[wintry patrol]

what.

[meager plank]

Swap the packs and the regular top part so you can reroll packs and you only get 2 jokers or tarots per shop

[daring citrus]

i think its pretty good

[candid kernel]

what would that accomplish

[daring citrus]

PXGVKNJX here's the seed if anyone can do better

PXGVKNJX

PXGVKNJX

[meager plank]

More cards per shop because packs have up to 5 cards but regular jokers are only 1 card

Sometimes even half a card

[candid kernel]

how would it make the game better

if at all

[wintry patrol]

i am so confused right now

[meager plank]

With 2 overstock vouchers you get 10x more joker per shop

[daring citrus]

i unlocked like 3 jokers this run

[wintry patrol]

how does this make the game better

[meager plank]

More joker more fun

[wintry patrol]

god

[candid kernel]

you atleast know what you're getting after you reroll the shop

[meager plank]

Usually a 5 of spades

[wintry patrol]

what

[candid kernel]

?

[daring citrus]

you guys know which ones im missing here

[meager plank]

Bro idk anymore

You win

[candid kernel]

perkeo, yorick, canio, astronomer

if you're talking about the undiscovered joker

it's bootstraps

[daring citrus]

is astronomer the one with the ?

[candid kernel]

it's bootstraps

[meager plank]

New joker idea: meteor, after 5 rounds, sell this joker to immediately lose

[quiet junco]

[quiet junco]

Fuck.
The.
Plant.

[meager plank]

Idk how that would work but I can try

[candid kernel]

the humble glass card

[ember root]

Make glass numbered cards against the Plant!

[tranquil oak]

You probably could have cleared it with a 4oak

[meager plank]

I like the joker that gains mult when I break glass cards because I like breaking glass

[candid kernel]

glass joker is pretty good

[meager plank]

Audemars piguet

[wintry patrol]

glass joker is even cooler once you realize you can use hanged man on glass cards to scale it

[daring citrus]

oh i unlocked it this run

[meager plank]

Woah

[daring citrus]

it looks really cool

[quiet junco]

I PLAYED ONE BUT NO PHOTO = FUCKED

AND I PLAYED A FLUSH HOUSE decent level

[meager plank]

You basically get rewarded for deck fixing

[tranquil oak]

Or trading card

[wintry patrol]

yeah

glass joker is canio jr.

[tranquil oak]

I never see glass joker

[candid kernel]

you have family

[wintry patrol]

you need glass cards in your deck for it to spawn

[tranquil oak]

Even when I have glass in deck

[wintry patrol]

ah

[tranquil oak]

Ik, he still never spawns

[meager plank]

I haven’t seen it since 5 photochad ago

[candid kernel]

idk why you would have played a flush house instead

[quiet junco]

I realized I unlocked flush house too late

[tranquil oak]

Same with steel joker

[meager plank]

I think a blueprint copying cavendish should be able to go extinct

[daring citrus]

is certificate a good joker

i feel like it is

[ember root]

Yeah

[daring citrus]

yeah

[candid kernel]

blue and purple seals are very powerful

getting more of them is really useful

[meager plank]

And gold because money

[tranquil oak]

Only with hologram imo

[candid kernel]

adding cards to your deck isn't bad when they're guarranteed to be better than what you currently have

[tranquil oak]

Otherwise it’s just giving you mid cards for nothing

[meager plank]

Mmmm red seal 4s 🤤🤤🤤🤤

[tranquil oak]

If it made polychromes it would do that

[quiet junco]

Do I sell everything to copy brainstorm, or just sell it

[ember root]

On pair builds it goes hard

[meager plank]

Sell everything to copy banana

[candid kernel]

what

[candid kernel]

what do you have for scoring after copying brainstorm?

[meager plank]

Wait a second 🧐 if you sell everything, you can’t copy anything, as you do not have it 🧐🧐🧐

[tranquil oak]

They’re saying that any card that certificate generates is better because it has a seal

I don’t necessarily agree

[candid kernel]

they are

[ember root]

Again, just play certificate on a pairs run

[tranquil oak]

Ah yes, this red seal 4 is doing me a lot when I am playing polychrome kings

[ember root]

Easiest blue and purple seals ever

[meager plank]

Well then it’s not good to take it, you take it WHEN they are better than what you have, not after

[candid kernel]

if you already have polychrome kings

why would you need add more cards?

also cherry picking situations that favor your argument isn't productive

[quiet junco]

You know what I mean

[meager plank]

Cherry picking like Emerson middle school 4 years ago against my school in a basketball game

[quiet junco]

I mean sell the ankh

[candid kernel]

sell it

if you copy brainstorm

[meager plank]

Brainstorm is not a scoring joker

[candid kernel]

you'll have nothing for scoring unless you pull something really good from the shop

either delay it or leave it

[solemn elm]

bala dro

[umbral hazel]

I'm jonkling it 👊

[meager plank]

Balala card game

[jolly talon]

Is it me or does the luck in this game get shit on higher difficulties?

[hard gyro]

Ez

[candid kernel]

risk management is an important skill in this game

[hard gyro]

Unlocked Andy finally

[wintry patrol]

drspectred's 67 win streak on gold stake says otherwise

[jolly talon]

I have not been getting any decent +mult at the start in most runs dawg

Straight from ante 1

[small hemlock]

Do i focus first in getting mult and shit or do i focus on getting money jokers

[candid kernel]

what do you define as a decent +mult joker

[hard gyro]

I am the opposite

I have been getting lucky with skip tags and spectrals

[jolly talon]

Something that gives mult that's at least +4 (like jimbo) and/or is consistent

[hard gyro]

Skip should be a failsafe if you are not doing too well in the run

[jolly talon]

Like those pair and double pair jokers

[hard gyro]

Skipping can save you

[pallid sapphire]

I only skip in the beginning for a fun start

[jolly talon]

That give mult

[pallid sapphire]

mid and endgame, skipping can and often does mean death

[jolly talon]

Those are decent at the start

[candid kernel]

does this include the scaling jokers

[hard gyro]

Scaling is cool

[jolly talon]

Yea but they're iffy since they suck early like green joker. Green joker feels so bad to play around when you don't have burgler and/or any increased hand size

[solemn elm]

thats why you play pairs

you dont need more than 8 handsize to consistently play pairs

[candid kernel]

green joker can beat the big and boss blind with only high pairs

no need for anything else

[jolly talon]

But pairs also lack scoring early without levels

[solemn elm]

thats what the scaling joker is for

[jolly talon]

I also sometimes don't get an econ joker

[pallid sapphire]

one blue joker and your green joker's set

[solemn elm]

econ jokers are good but interest is still the goal no matter what*

[candid kernel]

15 + 2*rank chips is enough

[jolly talon]

Meaning I gotta save up money whether I need score or not

[candid kernel]

if you need scoring you should spend

[jolly talon]

Yea I know that. Save 25 dollars at least but eh

I can't go below 25

Or else I miss out on money

[solemn elm]

yes you can, its just that you should only do it if it benefits you more than losing econ does

i.e if you would die otherwise

[quiet junco]

Ok.

[solemn elm]

are you opening the buffoon pack in the first shop?

[quiet junco]

The mouth.

[jolly talon]

Ig so but sometimes it not only leaves me with shit rerolls, but also broke

[small hemlock]

Mime and baron...

[jolly talon]

Yea always

[quiet junco]

Second worst boss imo.

[jolly talon]

What that mouth do

[quiet junco]

One hand type only

[jolly talon]

I'm joking

Lmao

Ik what it does!!

[quiet junco]

WHEN UR NOT PAYING ATTENTION

THEN ITS HORRIBLE

[jolly talon]

That happens to me a lot dw...

[solemn elm]

thats entirely a skill issue though :3

[quiet junco]

FUCKING END MY LIFE

[solemn elm]

if you dont pay attention and thats why you lose, you shouldve been paying attention.

[jolly talon]

Ended my run by accident by playing something like full house or 3bof a kind

[quiet junco]

Stuck in LEVEL ONE HIGH CARD

[jolly talon]

What did you play

Oh

Oh dear

[candid kernel]

mouth sucks for 5 card hand builds

[blissful elm]

what is the best way to arrange this jokers?

[candid kernel]

otherwise it doesn't do much

[solemn elm]

2 on each

[jolly talon]

Nothing really

[candid kernel]

2 on photo 2 on chad

[jolly talon]

Ig

[quiet junco]

Three and three

[blissful elm]

thanks!

[jolly talon]

Stopping x'ing me

😭

[blissful elm]

lost anyways

lol

[solemn elm]

endless?

[blissful elm]

yes

[solemn elm]

yeah thats inevitable with a build like that

[blissful elm]

got to e14

[rapid hill]

Hello everyone I just joined today. How is everyone doing ?

[jolly talon]

Hi welcome mf doom

[blissful elm]

is it bad?

[jolly talon]

Lucky. I never got close to e.

[jolly talon]

Good ty

[candid kernel]

anything that's not baron mime or perkeo is guarranteed to die before ante 39

[solemn elm]

very few builds make it far in endless

[rapid hill]

Thank you 🙂

[blissful elm]

i was looking for a triboulet

but i got a torick

[jolly talon]

I wish I can get to e but unfortunately I cannot

[blissful elm]

yorick

[candid kernel]

you also need way more econ than that

[quiet junco]

THE MOUTH CAN USE ITS MOUTH TO SUCK MY-

[blissful elm]

i had a full hand of holo lucky K's red sealed

[glad oriole]

she mouth on my pillar till i water

[blissful elm]

playin flush fives

[jolly talon]

My lawyer has warned me not to make a joke.

[quiet junco]

Literally. Balatro is fun....
Until gold stake.

[jolly talon]

I splash on her till she scored

[jolly talon]

*orange stake

[quiet junco]

Blue stake

[jolly talon]

Until orange stake

[jolly talon]

True but that doesn't feel hard if you run blue or red deck

[candid kernel]

you have to let go of 5 card hand builds eventually

[quiet junco]

That's only two decks tho

Black Deck on blue+ stake is UNBEARABLE

[candid kernel]

blue stake sucks

[jolly talon]

I let go when I realize high card and pairs are thr best

Flush is overrated

[astral owl]

no one is sending images I'm afraid of sending one

[candid kernel]

it will get changed for a reason

[jolly talon]

Blue stake is getting changed?

Also

Imo

[candid kernel]

yeah

[quiet junco]

Which is why I might play with the rebalanced stakes mod on my pc file

[grim mist]

apparently sixth sense casually ignores debuffed cards, very cool

[twin schooner]

Thank god 🙏

[jolly talon]

Balatro difficulty needs some sort of reward to balance out the hardness

Please

[astral owl]

disappearing squirrel is underrated

[candid kernel]

thunk feels like blue stake hurts big hands a lot more than it does pairs

[twin schooner]

YES

[candid kernel]

and pairs are kind of just the meta with how the game works

[solemn elm]

black and gold do have benefits

[jolly talon]

Difficulty kinda needs reworking

[astral owl]

based on my most personal balatro experience

[jolly talon]

I see black but NOT gold

[solemn elm]

beyond blue stake, i disagree

[candid kernel]

the rest of the stakes are fine

[quiet junco]

Campfire: exists
" Am I a joke to you?"

[solemn elm]

chaos the clown, diet cola, campfire

[candid kernel]

gold stake makes campfire even better

[grim mist]

arent eternal stickers technically a buff in really specific scenarios such as ankh and hex

[solemn elm]

yes

[jolly talon]

You literally play just for difficultly that comes with no reward. I just want risk it for the biscuit to apply

[solemn elm]

and also madness

[solemn elm]

the reward is you won at a higher difficulty

[candid kernel]

what

[jolly talon]

What does campfire have to do with this

[solemn elm]

campfire gets better at gold stake

[candid kernel]

do you know how difficulty works

[candid kernel]

rentals cost 1$

[jolly talon]

And then play another more difficult stake until you reach gold

[solemn elm]

if I crank up the CPU difficulty in a game, I don't get a reward for it
that isnt bad game design, thats just how it works

[quiet junco]

Changes blue stake to have perishables, changes orange stake to rentals, and changes gold to require $6 for every dollar of interest, Plus run extended to ante 9.

[candid kernel]

which means they can be used to hike up campfire for free

[solemn elm]

you can play on any difficulty you choose

[jolly talon]

Oh right I forgot about that

[uneven edge]

no shot

[jolly talon]

Too bad it loses the xmult after a boss blind

[solemn elm]

do you think campfire is bad

[jolly talon]

Yea you don't exist to me

[jolly talon]

No

[candid kernel]

it doesn't take much to get the xmult back

[grim mist]

campfire being actually usable in high difficulties

[uneven edge]

I don’t care I promise you 😭

[solemn elm]

right, so?

[vernal tartan]

campfire being actually usable everywhere

[shy dove]

and by usable you mean incredible

[solemn elm]

if you dont have fun at higher difficulties then dont play at higher difficulties

[vernal tartan]

dont mess with my campfire

[shy dove]

and by high difficulties you mean white stake and up

[shadow canyon]

Got "two pairs" of pants

[uneven edge]

why’s that too bad it makes it balanced

[jolly talon]

I still just find it iffy to me is all

[candid kernel]

you can use consumables to scale campfire

[solemn elm]

can you elaborate

[jolly talon]

I like cards that don't have an effect that goes away is all

[solemn elm]

because I personally just don't really agree with your reasoning, nor do I understand it
but I want to understand

[strange meadow]

making balatrillions

[jolly talon]

I like something reliable

[astral owl]

I lost that run

[shy dove]

the effect doesnt go away like

[rapid hill]

I just had this run my first "e" run

[candid kernel]

campfire is easy enough to scale to be reliable

[solemn elm]

? that was not the context of the message u replied to

[shy dove]

you can ramp it up again

[candid kernel]

all you need is a stable economy

[shy dove]

and campfire can kinda be like

prepped for

[jolly talon]

?? How

[astral owl]

probably you can play a flush to save the run

[shy dove]

like you dont wanna be spending too much until you need to

[jolly talon]

Oh right

[shy dove]

which normally doesnt come until late

[rapid hill]

Me too sadly

[shy dove]

so if you like

just save your money

[twin schooner]

?

[grim mist]

who needs stable economy if i can take my 200th wheel of fortune which wont land

[astral owl]

that's crazy af

[shy dove]

for the rest of the ante

then when it resets

you have a lot more to work with than before

[candid kernel]

do i take eternal drunkard

[jolly talon]

I meant I just want there to be some reward other than unlocking higher difficulties like maybe customization

[jolly talon]

Yes

[candid kernel]

the rebate stonks...

[jolly talon]

And straights

[shy dove]

for rebate and runner scaling

[solemn elm]

having that stuff locked behind higher difficulties is eh
even as someone who's beaten them

having an achievement for it is enough imo

[rapid hill]

It is ? I think if I got glass on every card in the flush five It would be more

[candid kernel]

skill gates aren't as good of an idea as people think they are

[uneven edge]

campfire is probably the most reliable x mult joker in the game

what

[jolly talon]

I don't think achievements are it. You're only ever reminded of the hard work you did if you manually go into achievements

[jolly talon]

"I don’t care I promise you 😭"

[solemn elm]

gold stickers:

both on decks and on jokers

[jolly talon]

Something cooler 💔

[uneven edge]

thats what I said 🙂

[solemn elm]

we have customization, it would be a bad idea to add customization that's locked behind difficulties imo

[grim mist]

jokers with gold stickers now give 1$ and then remove 1$

this is fire bro trust

[rapid hill]

Pain 👍

[jolly talon]

So then why do you keep replying to me when I'm past that argument. I already had it. Rn, I'm talking customization

[shy dove]

i think the reason you want to finish get gold stickers is because you want to actually

[uneven edge]

because I said that in context to “yea you don’t exist to me”

and also because I can too

[grim mist]

why would you want customization on jokers tho
the stickers feel like enough

playing cards have customisation and its good since it's still easy to recognize them

[tranquil oak]

Mods exist if you aren’t happy with vanilla jokers

[jolly talon]

Unless you're console

Or mobile

[solemn elm]

wanting something in the base game is valid though, especially considering platforms that cant get mods

[tranquil oak]

Which I am but don’t care for mods

[rapid hill]

Or both

[tranquil oak]

Play on mobile and ps5

[daring citrus]

i think this is a good choice

[tranquil oak]

It certainly is a choice

[daring citrus]

shit i sold certificate

[jolly talon]

It's still something cool to add in. That or maybe having the option to play any song from the game if you beat white stake for every deck

[daring citrus]

im a moron

[jolly talon]

Would be cool

[jolly talon]

Get an econ joker for bootstrap

[solemn elm]

"any song from the game"

as if there are dozens

[rapid hill]

Yeah i think? But how is your deck?

[jolly talon]

I thought there was more, no?

Is it really just

[solemn elm]

5

[jolly talon]

One song

[grim mist]

isnt every song pitched down/slowed down

there's like 5

or 4

[solemn elm]

there are 5

[jolly talon]

There should be more

[daring citrus]

whats an econ joker

[solemn elm]

i think it works quite well with whats available

[jolly talon]

Like every ante 8 boss blind should have a theme on their own

[solemn elm]

+money

[jolly talon]

Would be cooler

[grim mist]

moneys

[strange meadow]

jokers that give you money

to-do list, mail-in rebate, to the moon, rocket

[daring citrus]

uh

[jolly talon]

A joker that helps with making money such golden joker or mail rebate

[jolly talon]

What hand are you playing towards?

[strange meadow]

these work really well with jokers like bull or bootstraps in that theyll actively boost chips and mult jokers that involve cash

[daring citrus]

straights

[rapid hill]

Egg

[daring citrus]

lots of strays

[strange meadow]

yeah egg too

[jolly talon]

Try abandoned deck and/or get more hand size if you want straights

[strange meadow]

seed money and money tree are also good for money

thosere vouchers

[candid kernel]

the downside of them is that you need to pay 25/50 extra dollars to utilise them

[jolly talon]

To do list is so amazing if it's something like high card or pair. But most times, it's asking for a straight flush

[strange meadow]

money tree + to the moon potentially leaves you with forty dollars per round!!!

[solemn elm]

or a single rebate

[jolly talon]

You basically need to save up even more money to utilize them

[candid kernel]

they're decent vouchers

[strange meadow]

rebate is good too

certainly easier to get ahold of

[jolly talon]

Amazing with the investment joker

A dollar per 5

I think it's like

[strange meadow]

thats bootstraps innit

[jolly talon]

40 bucks off interest alone

[strange meadow]

or no wait

[grim mist]

ok but like stupid question
whats the appeal of stuntman without plasma deck

[strange meadow]

investment joker?

[jolly talon]

The stocks

One

[candid kernel]

boots is +2 mult per 5 dollars

[strange meadow]

yeah to the moon

[vernal tartan]

Same as with?

Oh stunt

[strange meadow]

you can make it look like the guy from excitebike

[shy dove]

there should not

in my opinion

[jolly talon]

Easy chip value, reliable way to get past early antes (especially at higher stakes), and funny high card spam

[shy dove]

more music would kinda tarnish balatros vibes imo

[rapid hill]

this is more colorful deck than xxl skitles pack but I see some Lucky cards so maybe if you find lucky cat? I think It would be good

[shy dove]

chips

lots of em

[jolly talon]

But how

[shy dove]

getting chips is well, good

[hard gyro]

Stuntman is op on plasma but that doesn't make him useless on other decks

[strange meadow]

balatro's singular track with five variations of it is so insanely loopable

[hard gyro]

Stuntman is a big power play

[grim mist]

ok but dont we have like hiker builds

[cosmic marsh]

is mult better than chips or am i stupid

[candid kernel]

good chip sources are more scarce then mult

[hard gyro]

Do you always get hiker?

[jolly talon]

You can make one. Just need retriggers

[candid kernel]

they're both good

[strange meadow]

hiker with sumt like hanging chad is good

[uneven edge]

stuntman gives a straight up 250 child which is crazy as fuck

[grim mist]

depends if early enough

[jolly talon]

Praying for x chips to be added

[solemn elm]

retriggers, being some of the best jokers in the game.

[candid kernel]

stuntman is a lot more reliable than hiker a lot of the time

[solemn elm]

thunk has said it will never be added

[hard gyro]

You don't always get cards you want

[uneven edge]

you don’t get to choose what you get lmao

[candid kernel]

x chips is too similar to xmult

[strange meadow]

i dont think thats gon be a thing ever

[jolly talon]

Unfortunate

[strange meadow]

you can def persuade the game though

[shy dove]

hwy

[grim mist]

i see hiker a lot

[solemn elm]

just in case you wanted the source

[hard gyro]

Also hiker takes a sweet amount of time to be scaled and needs retrigger jokers to be good

[strange meadow]

main way being stuff like the skip tags

buying packs is good too

[uneven edge]

yes with enough econ obviously but that argument doesn’t work when you’re discussion jokers since it can all just boil down to “why use x if you can get y!!!”

[solemn elm]

nah, the main way is econ so you can roll

[uneven edge]

when that is never going to happen

[vernal tartan]

Xchips would be silly

[uneven edge]

hell nah

[strange meadow]

oh yeah that too

[uneven edge]

wtf

[candid kernel]

skip tags are too much of a cost for them to be worth using to force an uncommon or rare

[strange meadow]

i LIKE my skip tags

they save a lot of money

[jolly talon]

But it kinda does make chips fall off past ante 8. I like blue number

[candid kernel]

if you need scoring in the late game

[shy dove]

save money

[hard gyro]

It already exists thx to mods

[shy dove]

how 0_0

im interested

[candid kernel]

increasing the scoring you need is probably going to kill you

[solemn elm]

you lose an entire round of econ and scaling

[uneven edge]

no they literally COST you money 💀

[dry cedar]

It's beautiful

[solemn elm]

and you lose an entire shop

for one joker

[uneven edge]

you are actively losing out on money if you skip

[strange meadow]

well like rerolling especially when you have vouchers like tarot/planet merchant can make getting jokers at all very difficult

[shy dove]

0 dollar joker cost matters not if you aren't gonna make the money from the blind anyways

[vernal tartan]

Doesn’t exist in my books then

[hard gyro]

Is this unseeded?

[uneven edge]

are you forced to take them?

yes or no

[dry cedar]

No

[jolly talon]

Worth it for the negative blueprint

[shy dove]

dont take the merchents if u need jokers then

[strange meadow]

much less if you want a specific type of joker. uncommon jokers only have a 1/4 chance

[solemn elm]

you do know that it doesnt force spawn a joker, it just makes the next joker be that rarity

[strange meadow]

n rerolling can add up quick if you have buns luck

[dry cedar]

Well I get my moneys worth if I get a cryptid

[shy dove]

yeah so dont go for a specific type of joker

[candid kernel]

a "free" joker is not actually free if it costs you a round of:

• econ
• scaling
• a shop
• tarot generation
• blue seals

[solemn elm]

if there isnt a joker in shop, it doesnt use the joker tag

it has to roll a joker to begin with

[grim mist]

what about economy tag tho
25$

[uneven edge]

[shy dove]

keep your eyes open to different ideas and routes

[solemn elm]

u mean investment

economy is double your money, max of $40

[grim mist]

yeah

[strange meadow]

economy tag is good

[candid kernel]

investment tag is incredible early on

[strange meadow]

investment tag is really good early on

[uneven edge]

this is a terrible playstyle

[candid kernel]

economy is also pretty good

[strange meadow]

like ante 1 investment tag is nuts

[uneven edge]

you should never play around HOPING for a specific joker

[dry cedar]

Do I skip for the 8 spectral packs

[shy dove]

norp

[uneven edge]

you’re setting yourself up for failure that way

[solemn elm]

forcing rarities really isnt a good idea unless youre sticker hunting

[strange meadow]

it works out for me usually

[shy dove]

which stake are you on

[strange meadow]

i win pretty often

[candid kernel]

do you have something like hologram

[uneven edge]

what’s your win rate and what stakes do you play

[solemn elm]

just because you win doesnt mean it was a good decision

[shy dove]

it gets a lot worse a: on gold stake and b: before youve unlocked everything

[solemn elm]

you can win with nothing, that doesnt mean you should

[grim mist]

sorry i need to make gambling out of my gambling machine

[uneven edge]

and what @solemn elm said too

[strange meadow]

not sure what my win rate is but ive won on gold stake

[uneven edge]

like that doesn’t mean it’s still a good choice at all

[raw fractal]

Honestly after seeing people get E scores unseeded winning feels meh

[solemn elm]

so do you play at gold stake or have you only won at gold stake

[raw fractal]

I just want to reach those heights every time

[strange meadow]

im tryin to get all my decks to that level first

[shy dove]

i mean the thing abt e scores is that

[strange meadow]

so its a thing of progression

[shy dove]

theres very few strategies that work

[strange meadow]

but ive won multiple times on higher-end stakes

[shy dove]

and the higher you go

the less there are available

[solemn elm]

it 100% is not the play at higher stakes

[uneven edge]

I mean you still haven’t answered my question though

[shy dove]

until you only have a couple

[raw fractal]

That I def agree with

It’s v situational

[strange meadow]

i dont have a win rate on me rn sorry

im not on pc so i cant check

[raw fractal]

Gotta keep grinding til you get what you need

[candid kernel]

how many times do you think it was because of the skipping?

[strange meadow]

a pretty good number if you do it right

[solemn elm]

"a number"

"if you do it right"

[shy dove]

you can skip well

[strange meadow]

well yeah you cant skip willy-nilly

[solemn elm]

skipping well is usually not skipping

[dry cedar]

I think I just broke my game

[strange meadow]

but if you do it right it is vital

[shy dove]

but random joker skips are the hardest to actually make into guaranteed value

[raw fractal]

Noooo

[shy dove]

because so likely they just won't be beneficial to you

[strange meadow]

not quite

[solemn elm]

this goes for everything
if you skip right you're probably only skipping 5% of the time

[shy dove]

like

what are you actually looking for

[strange meadow]

some random joker skips are guaranteed useful in some scenarios

[shy dove]

when you skip

[uneven edge]

yes quite

[shy dove]

im interested

[raw fractal]

I never skip unless I have to

[strange meadow]

really depends

[solemn elm]

this doesnt apply at high stakes

[shy dove]

can you give me an example of a time where you skipped

for a random joker

and thought

[raw fractal]

Only things I’d skip for is the occasional rare joker and $25 tag

[uneven edge]

“guaranteed useful in some situations”

[shy dove]

"this will be great value"

[uneven edge]

so it’s not guaranteed to be useful in all situations

[strange meadow]

alright so pretty often ill be pulling for uncommon jokers

[raw fractal]

Skipping def limits your run tho

[solemn elm]

"some"..."are guaranteed"..."in some scenarios"

[strange meadow]

esp if i have baseball card

[shy dove]

okay bbc so

remember each spot has a

[strange meadow]

i might not a particular uncommon joker but i can get an uncommon joker with a skip

[shy dove]

what like 20% chance to have an uncommon

[strange meadow]

only if it is a joker

[grim mist]

i feel like it's just really specific cases with skip tags
like early investment or economy tags
otherwise it just doesn't go well much
like i dont think you should be skipping blinds at the stage of missing out on a lot of scaling

[solemn elm]

25%

[shy dove]

if you make decent money and can afford a reroll

[solemn elm]

and then it has to be a joker to begin with

[umbral vector]

Balatro balatrez

[strange meadow]

yeah

[umbral vector]

[shy dove]

then like

[strange meadow]

plus i could overshoot, hit the 5% of a rare joker

[dry cedar]

I lowkey bugged out

[shy dove]

it shouldnt be that hard to find any ol uncommon

[uneven edge]

buddy I got one word wrong even though it’s still synonymous

[strange meadow]

throwback is useful to me too

[candid kernel]

"i will love you unconditionally under certain conditions"

[solemn elm]

im doubling down, im not arguing against you

[shy dove]

nope

[strange meadow]

i usually skip at least four or five times per run

[solemn elm]

this is way too much

[shy dove]

the moment the "skip for a smidge of xmult" shows up into the convo

its over

[solemn elm]

i skip, on average, 1.8 times a run

[shy dove]

you need to skip so often

[raw fractal]

…

[shy dove]

to even make it like

[uneven edge]

I thought you were correcting me at the end sorry

[shy dove]

to 2x

[rapid hill]

320 flowerpots best strategy

[raw fractal]

Think you need a bit more than a smudge

[grim mist]

im still confused about my run where this specific lucky card had a question mark

[shy dove]

.25x is not a lot

[strange meadow]

thats very odd

[solemn elm]

its just a bug

[strange meadow]

yeah but its weird cuz far as im aware the game just pulls what it does from the texture files dont it

[craggy hazel]

I needed 8 more gold stickers and just had a godly run where I got 4 of them

[uneven edge]

skipping four rounds for 2x mult

[strange meadow]

not sure how itd do that lol

[uneven edge]

that is so good!!

[craggy hazel]

Only 4 more to go

[shy dove]

if the necessary action was something milder, like say, adding cards to the deck

[raw fractal]

I can hear the sarcasm in this lol

[shy dove]

thatd make more sense

[solemn elm]

that "?" is the placeholder texture iirc

[shy dove]

thats just a little bit of money and often packs have some pretty nice cards in them

[shy dove]

but an entire rounds worth of money AND scaling

[uneven edge]

throwback needs to be like .5x to be somewhat worth it

[shy dove]

like

[uneven edge]

or .75

[raw fractal]

Honestly more tbh

[candid kernel]

.5x throwback would be fine

[raw fractal]

If it ain’t at least 2 what’s the point

[strange meadow]

i skip a lot for money too

[shy dove]

.5x means its like a worse madness

[grim mist]

throwback is like a pity prize tbh, if you end up skipping too much you at least get SOMETHING for it instead of instantly getting obliterated

[shy dove]

but honestly keep it weak

[candid kernel]

oh my

[strange meadow]

whoops wrong reply

[vernal tartan]

.5 is fine

[shy dove]

dont encourage people to skip and miss out on the game

[candid kernel]

if you need to skip for money

[solemn elm]

skipping for money later is usually not worth

[strange meadow]

but yeah i skip for money pretty often if itll make me a fair bit

[candid kernel]

you're probably dead

[raw fractal]

Early game skipping for money can be good

[strange meadow]

every now n then its better to just skip for funds regardless

[raw fractal]

If you don’t have a build by like ante 4

[shy dove]

i sometimes skip for money but its very rare

[raw fractal]

Then you’re just screwed

[uneven edge]

skipping for money when you get money from clearing blinds tho

[candid kernel]

investment tag my beloved

[solemn elm]

yeah, occasionally. but you said "i skip a lot for money"

[shy dove]

the thing is ur also making money in the round

[strange meadow]

not the small blind

[shy dove]

gold seals, gold cards, end of round stuff, economy jokers

[raw fractal]

It has to be a ton of money to skip

[solemn elm]

interest:
hands:
jokers:

[rapid hill]

Interesting, buy the blank voucher

[raw fractal]

Otherwise just play the blind

[uneven edge]

tbf if there’s a garbage tag or that hands played tag at like 50 I MIGHT take it

for fun

[raw fractal]

There’s a reason why white stakes is the lowest difficulty

[shy dove]

nah garbage tag like

[uneven edge]

but that’s a rarity and not the norm

[raw fractal]

Bc you don’t have to think about Econ

[shy dove]

never gets up high

[raw fractal]

It’s always there

[uneven edge]

you still get money from small blind?

whar

[raw fractal]

He probably doesn’t know you get money from hands

[shy dove]

you dont get reward money but you still get interest and hands

[solemn elm]

or thinks its insignificant

[shy dove]

you misread the red stake

[raw fractal]

Yeah 💀

[solemn elm]

hell even +$1 early is impactful - the sooner you get your interest up the better

[raw fractal]

Small blind is still worth playing like 90% of the time

Esp bc you get shop access

[shy dove]

which actually puts a little bit of scrutiny on your claim that youve beaten gold stake because you shouldve realized it by a certain point

[raw fractal]

That is true

[uneven edge]

99%

[shy dove]

while climbing up

[candid kernel]

if only oa6 wasn't eternal

[solemn elm]

nah i believe theyve beaten gold stake

you can easily highroll without knowing what youre doing

[tranquil oak]

I skip small and big blind just so I can laugh in the pillars face about him not debuffing anything

[candid kernel]

what the hell

[tranquil oak]

[strange meadow]

if im skippin for cash itll be more than id get from the small blind

[shy dove]

are you sure

[solemn elm]

thats one skip

[shy dove]

and like

[strange meadow]

yeah

[shy dove]

you do know what ur spending the money on

[raw fractal]

Nahhhh bro

[shy dove]

right

[strange meadow]

pretty sure

[solemn elm]

only one skip is worth a1 small blind imo, and that's investment

[shy dove]

thats shops

[raw fractal]

How much cash do you get from skips

[uneven edge]

+10 rtb a3

[shy dove]

you get shops at the end of each blind

skipping for money means you miss out on a shop

[candid kernel]

not if you're like

[strange meadow]

not all the time, some builds i go very frugal

esp with bull and bootstraps

[candid kernel]

actually capable of building up interest

[shy dove]

okay that is

2 uncommons

[strange meadow]

i run into em pretty often

[shy dove]

you are not finding 2 uncommons regularly

[candid kernel]

2 uncommons which imo aren't even good

(yes, i do hate bull)

[strange meadow]

theyre pretty good idk

[raw fractal]

Yeah 💀

[strange meadow]

i get a lotta use outta both

[shy dove]

bull is fine bootstraps is bad

[candid kernel]

bootstraps is a terrible money conversion

[strange meadow]

whaaat

[raw fractal]

They both suck imo

Too hard to scale

[strange meadow]

bootstraps is great for having some mult to multiply

[candid kernel]

almost every other scaling mult joker is 1 mult for every dollar (hand)

[uneven edge]

I don’t think we can convince them skipping is bad

[strange meadow]

probably not no

[raw fractal]

They’ll learn the hard way

[uneven edge]

this is a quote of all time 😭😭

[strange meadow]

i play it how i play it

[shy dove]

yeah like you're only gonna remember the times you high rolled

[raw fractal]

“Mult to multiply”

[grim mist]

Mult is good for multiplying

[uneven edge]

“great for having some mult to multiply” 😭😭

[strange meadow]

well like theres +mult and theres xmult

[raw fractal]

I mean yeah

[strange meadow]

i like getting both +mult and xmult

[solemn elm]

bootstraps is pretty bad actually

[raw fractal]

Ok that’s good

[candid kernel]

green joker, red card, bus and pants are way better sources of +mult

[raw fractal]

So you know that at least

[solemn elm]

its useable, but its not even close to being up there as one of the "top 10" or so mult scalers

[strange meadow]

the way i try to play it i try to get my build to where it works regardless of what hand i play

[grim mist]

i dispise green joker

[raw fractal]

Green joker + burglar is my new fav combo

[strange meadow]

i dont need any specific card or hand or whatever

[grim mist]

i will always hate on green joker

[raw fractal]

I still hate it

[strange meadow]

i can just play the jokers

[raw fractal]

But it does have its uses

[solemn elm]

thats what lobotomy is

[strange meadow]

thats how i like to do it anyhow

[candid kernel]

that's also how i play the game

[uneven edge]

We aren’t trying to control what you do but you’re arguing that skipping is good

[shy dove]

the times skipping screwed you over are gonna be hard to figure out because you're not gonna think "aw if i had gone to that shop instead of skipping for a rare that didn't help me i would've won" you're instead gonna think "i lost because i was unlucky"

[uneven edge]

Which is objectively isn’t good

[candid kernel]

skipping is a bad way to achieve that

[strange meadow]

it is lol

[raw fractal]

Skipping isn’t meant to be done often

[solemn elm]

how

you havent really made any decent arguments in favour of it

[candid kernel]

then proide an actual argument

[raw fractal]

You should only do it when you actually need to

[candid kernel]

explain how

without using an anecdote

[solemn elm]

"more money than the small blind would give" yeah, thats the one time; a1 small blind investment

[strange meadow]

thats difficult to do

[uneven edge]

All the arguments you’ve made have been shaky and weak

[candid kernel]

anyways this is an easy win

[strange meadow]

its down to situation

[grim mist]

skipping shouldn't be done late game because you miss out on shops and scaling

gg debate solved

[solemn elm]

then give me a situation

[strange meadow]

it all comes down to "here is a good time, here isnt a good time"

[raw fractal]

Exactly

[shy dove]

so if its hard to come up with a reason why... its almost as if...

[strange meadow]

those are anecdotes

[candid kernel]

shouldn't this be an indicator that you shouldn't be arguing that

[uneven edge]

Wait so skipping is situational?

[shy dove]

come on you're getting there

[uneven edge]

That means it can be bad right?

[solemn elm]

thats not an anecdote

[uneven edge]

But you just said skipping was good

[raw fractal]

If you’re skipping stuff on ante 6 or 7 without having a reliable build

Wyd

[uneven edge]

You’re going back on your logic right now

[shy dove]

you just said you skip 4-5 times per game

thats not situation

al

[solemn elm]

if you give me a scenario and i explain what should be done, thats not an anecdote

what you did do in the actual scenario is an anecdote

[strange meadow]

i find a lot of situations for it

[shy dove]

thats a constant thing you do

[candid kernel]

which are?

[shy dove]

you said money which

[grim mist]

on average what antes do you find yourself skipping the most on

[craggy hazel]

not to add oil on the fire, but I've been using anaglyph to gold sticker farm and skipping to get 5+ negative jokers is godly

[strange meadow]

primarily early game

[upbeat verge]

0/10 ragebait the red mist didint even show up

[shy dove]

if you have any scaling at all skipping for money is usually not worth it

[uneven edge]

that’s fun

[strange meadow]

like past 4 or 5 i skip a lot less

[daring citrus]

i lost on ante 12

[solemn elm]

early is when you should be skipping the least, outside of investment

[strange meadow]

thats insane

[daring citrus]

no i didnt even make it to ante 12

[solemn elm]

you want your interest to be up sooner and you need scoring sooner which means seeing more shops and getting more money

[strange meadow]

thats nuts

[shy dove]

how do you even make use of like

[daring citrus]

i lost on ante 11

[raw fractal]

How many times do you access the shop per game

[candid kernel]

explain why

[shy dove]

80% of the scalers in the game

[raw fractal]

In antes 1-3

[rapid hill]

I never think of that might try it 👍

[solemn elm]

its contrary to your view of the game so yeah that makes sense

[strange meadow]

yall'd need to see how i play the game

[uneven edge]

what are your thoughts on scaling jokers? i.e red card, rtb, runner, pants

[shy dove]

how do you even use like green joker or ride the bus or red card or spare trousers

[uneven edge]

we don’t

because it’s worse gameplay

[strange meadow]

i dislike red card

[solemn elm]

how you play the game doesnt really matter if we're talking about what is and what isnt a good decision in a specific scenario

[shy dove]

you won gold stake once.

[upbeat verge]

I can already imagine

[raw fractal]

I’m terrified to see a run where you just skip early game

[solemn elm]

that doesnt make it a bad card

[shy dove]

please

[shy dove]

its very strong

[uneven edge]

because you skip right? 😭😭

[strange meadow]

no not really i just dislike it

[solemn elm]

and you like skipping
that doesnt make it a good thing to do

[uneven edge]

red card is LITERALLY the best mult scaler in the game

[shy dove]

you would like it a lot more if you didnt skip

[strange meadow]

no i just usually use most every pack

[upbeat verge]

Bros skipping the wrong thing for red card

[strange meadow]

tarots, planets, etc

[raw fractal]

The + mult joker that lets you skip is the one he hates

The irony

[craggy hazel]

bootstraps is only good on anaglyph in my opinion where you can double money 4+ times with the extra double tags

[grim mist]

I have 2 sides

[solemn elm]

red card is better the more shops you see, which you see less off if you skip blinds.

[shy dove]

scaling mult is not worse than almost everything in every pack

[strange meadow]

red card literally doesnt scale if you skip what

[candid kernel]

a choice isn't good just because you made it

[raw fractal]

…

[solemn elm]

red card gives +3 mult if you skip a pack

[raw fractal]

I meant skipping booster packs

lol

[strange meadow]

if you skip you cant add to it

[tranquil oak]

I did clear a gold stake run recently on round 11, definitely skipped more blinds than played

[raw fractal]

Skipping booster packs

[strange meadow]

oh no i usually use em

[raw fractal]

Bruh

[strange meadow]

at least half the time

[solemn elm]

youre probably overvaluing packs then

[strange meadow]

maybe, maybe not

[shy dove]

packs are great but

[raw fractal]

I mean

[solemn elm]

red card is good because if theres nothing worth in them you can get something out of it

[raw fractal]

Are there times where you don’t need a tarot

[upbeat verge]

Well if I skipped as much as he does seeing a shop would be a godsend

[solemn elm]

pretty much always

[strange meadow]

apparently however im playing the game is like. apparently not how everyone else plays the game

[solemn elm]

there are a lot of tarots

[shy dove]

yes

[craggy hazel]

I don't like red card much because I like the packs too much

[daring citrus]

im killing myself

[raw fractal]

If you have red card you can skip and get some mult

[grim mist]

don't do that

[raw fractal]

It’s not my fav + mult joker

But it has its uses

[shy dove]

you open tarot packs for money then later on maybe to death things or hanged man or enhance some cards

[upbeat verge]

You must outlive your enemies

[solemn elm]

you play the game how a new player plays it, but that doesnt make it the "optimal" way to play for winning

[strange meadow]

i mean i am pretty new to it overall yeah

i only got like 50 hrs in it or so

[solemn elm]

yeah thats relatively new

[uneven edge]

the biggest use is being the best mult scaler

[strange meadow]

im not saying its "optimal" im just saying its good

[raw fractal]

I’m a flash card truther myself

[uneven edge]

what???

[raw fractal]

Red card is top 3 tho

[strange meadow]

flash card???

[upbeat verge]

What’s your opinion on throwback

[raw fractal]

Have you used it

[strange meadow]

good card

[raw fractal]

?

[uneven edge]

what does “good” mean to you then

[shy dove]

if you're making a play more likely to kill you than make you win that is bad

[strange meadow]

yes. not great for econ

[shy dove]

a bad play

[raw fractal]

Nah bro is not gonna say flash card is bad

[uneven edge]

guys we’re all being ragebaited currently

[raw fractal]

LMAO

[shy dove]

an objectively bad play lol

[strange meadow]

fun mainly

[grim mist]

everyone can have their own play styles
the only reason why this argument started is not because of your play style, but because of your argument
blind skipping shouldn't be done often. that's our point

[candid kernel]

throwback is very iffy

[uneven edge]

…?

[raw fractal]

This guy is the worst balatro player of all time

[upbeat verge]

Bro said flash card is bad then said he liked throwback

[strange meadow]

a way to play that i have fun with

[upbeat verge]

Flash card is goated FUCK ME

[raw fractal]

Flash card with reroll tags is so good

[wintry patrol]

using fun and good to mean the same thing is bizarre i'm ngl

[uneven edge]

a fun build doesn’t equate to good?

[raw fractal]

Continuous mult

[uneven edge]

what is this logic

[candid kernel]

is this to enable you to change goalposts every time someone tells you you're wrong about something?

[wintry patrol]

LMAO

[uneven edge]

he’s unable to admit he’s wrong

[strange meadow]

no?

[solemn elm]

? youve definitely moved the goalposts
you were initially arguing that you get a lotta use out of uncommon skips, which makes it good

[shy dove]

yes, it has a higher ceiling than red card at the cost of a much lower floor and desiring a massive economic investment for less mult on average

[uneven edge]

so he’s defaulting back to “it’s fun!”

[daring citrus]

i wanna play black deck

but its too hard

[strange meadow]

look man yallre all piling on me this is making any kinda debate difficult

[uneven edge]

the backpedaling goes crazy

[shy dove]

your arguments just suck im so sorry

[solemn elm]

you can take your time

[uneven edge]

then don’t backpedal your arguments man

[strange meadow]

if yall wanna actually have a chat maybe go one at a time instead of flaming me with questions

[daring citrus]

i wanna play with a big black deck but its too hard

[upbeat verge]

Just do the opposite of boopsdoops and your skill ceiling and win rate will go much higher

That’s my advice

[shy dove]

you can answer them one at a time

[solemn elm]

its not flaming
its also not a Q&A
respond in your own time if you feel like youre being rushed

[strange meadow]

when every lil thing i say is backpedaling or this or that n i hardly get time t explain myself, its going to be a lot harder to get a word in

[shy dove]

i will answer pings to me hours later

[candid kernel]

define flaming

[daring citrus]

what the f is boopsdoops

[shy dove]

you have plenty of time

[upbeat verge]

Than don’t backpedal

[raw fractal]

You’re making it worse man

[upbeat verge]

Idk sounds like an ice cream flavor

[solemn elm]

then take time to word your answers
we're not pressuring you to respond, we're just responding to the messages you do write

[hoary flare]

Black deck with 2 Oops All 6s

[grim mist]

if you don't want to argue then just.... don't

[uneven edge]

Then simply just DONT backpedal your arguments and that isn’t an issue

[strange meadow]

not gonna lie i feel a little pressured when i hardlly have to respond after being pinged like eight times

[daring citrus]

how do you get 2 of the same joker

[upbeat verge]

You took so long to type this just to complain again

[strange meadow]

well then lemme get a word in before yall blow up the damn chat with like six other messages

[tranquil oak]

Invisible joker or ankh

[upbeat verge]

We gave you time to right that

[grim mist]

showman or ankh

[hoary flare]

Invisible joker, showman, ankh

[strange meadow]

my wifi is down rn

[raw fractal]

Looks at the member count

[daring citrus]

invisible joker