💬general-chat

[placid harness]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-dino-fury-jealous-jealous-much-jealosuy-gif-23388021

[robust patio]

Should I use Ghub or onboard memory manager

[prisma light]

Same.

I might change one Logitech thing on my desk though. My wired G pro X headset. I might get an audio interface for it, instead of the USB driver, because using the volume knob on the extended cable is so annoying, especially when you accidentally move it.

Or I'll just get a 50€ IEM with the new interface.

[mint halo]

ive gotten too used to the convenience of a wireless headset so thats what I normally use. I have other stuff laying around if I actually want high fidelity tho

[prisma light]

I miss the convenience of it.

Also, considering how bad audio delay is on windows 11, adding another millisecond probably won't matter.

[mint halo]

as long as the wireless is over a dongle like gaming headsets use, latency would not be on the list of reasons why I pick one over the other

[prisma light]

That's fair.

Also, Logitech's wireless has always been really reliable.

[mint halo]

before the rapid, I had everything on my desk their wireless stuff

[prisma light]

I had a g933 back in the days (like 10 years ago), and while the headset creaked like a haunted house, the wireless performance was amazing.

[mint halo]

ive been using the Pro X 2 since it released. its been great. I can wear them all day without getting uncomfortable

[prisma light]

My mom and dad have those. I've always wanted to try them.

They also use the GPX

Though I was the first one to get it, since I got the first ones that shipped to Denmark.

[mint halo]

I really wish the mic was better on them, thats my only gripe. especially after the new headsets with the better mics have been released recently

[prisma light]

Yeah for sure. There is one workaround though.

[mint halo]

we need a pro x 2 2026 like razer pulled with the blackshark in 2022/2023

[prisma light]

Modmics is a good fix, but I don't remember if you have to charge it seperately, since it sticks to the headset.

My guess is you have to.

[mint halo]

ive done that before and it gets annoying, if you use the modmioc wireless, it will need charged

which uses a micro usb. they still havent released a type c wireless one

[prisma light]

"Designed with pros to win"

That sentence is becoming more and more ironic as time passes.

That makes me wonder, how many pros use powerplay on the superlights.

[mint halo]

kind of. the design stuff on the pro line gets direct input from pros. thats why the gpx is still 60 grams

[prisma light]

Like genuinely, I can't think of a single pro that uses powerplay.

[mint halo]

they obviosuly push their own stuff in there too

me either. I think thats them intervening to push sales of other stuff

ive long held the opinion that the superlight mice shouldnt have it anyway since it adds a chunk of weight and throws off the balance

[prisma light]

Yeah, the superlight 1 was perfectly balanced. The superlight 2 is back heavy (because of the powerplay), and the Superstrike is (somehow) front heavy.

[mint halo]

I never noticed the 2 being back heavy but the super strike is a bit front heavy, yea

[prisma light]

It could be because of my dot skate placement

though it's a fairly normal layout. Nothing crazy.

[lofty drift]

The GPX superstrike is insane

[prisma light]

I'm not buying it yet. There are some things that need fixing on that mouse.

[lofty drift]

What needs fixing? Curious because if there's issues I'll refund

[prisma light]

Namely the sidewalls being hyperthin, which means they won't last long.

I saw melonfps' stream of getting the mouse and testing out the quality, and the sidewalls have an insane amount of sideflex out of the box.

I think what happened is that people were complaining about the 65 gram weight (from the 59 gram on the Superlight 2), so they went ahead and cut out some of the plastic, to bring the weight closer to the Superlight 2.

[lofty drift]

I think the weight it's at now is actually perfect.

How could I test the flex myself? It seems firm enough to last long enough, do the sides go in after a while?

[mint halo]

I'm not feeling any flex on mine...

[lofty drift]

So the more I rest on it, they gradually move inwards which isn't noticeable but can mess with grip?

[prisma light]

Something like that.

The flex isn't noticable during gameplay though. It's more when you try to get it to flex. But still, I kind of expected a bit better for a 180€ mouse.

190€ in Denmark to be exact.

By comparison. The Endgamegear OP1 is 60€, and I have to put it under a hydraulic press to get it to flex.

[lofty drift]

That's wild, that's true though. I bought the razer death adder V4 for £159, and I was disgusted the mouse coating wore down after a week.

Hopefully the GPX superstrike doesn't have that issue

I had the endgame Xm2W V2, sadly the mouse wasn't big enough for my hand or grip type specifically but it did have an amazingly firm build

Weirdly no one's mentioned this about the superstrike, but it's like how on call of duty the better you get the faster you quickscope, the GPX superstrike comes with it built in at the fastest quick scope

[prisma light]

If the Superstrike has the same coating as the superlight 2, then it's gonna last a while before it starts degrading.

The coating is amazing on Logitech mice. Always has been.

[lofty drift]

Didn't have a superlight 2 but this is the first coating I feel like it'll have less issues with.

I've had the pulsar x2h V3 es and Maya X. Maya X coating was awesome but got boring after a day unless I took a break.

This Logitech one seems to be like plastic but a nice type

[obsidian notch]

Does anyone have got recommendations for the eq setting on the Astro a50x

[woven dove]

right now its the same issue with all logi mice that i really expected them to dial back on this one.. but they didn't. theres a forced 30ms debounce time.. on a mouse with no bounce

i can send you images of my tests if youd like. the game i play, it actually makes a certain tech impossible to use reliably

[lofty drift]

Yes please

Interesting so is the mouse slower overall?

[fallow cypress]

Never noticed that, but I’m getting rid of mine so

[fallow cypress]

Can agree there

[fallow cypress]

That’s why I’m going to swap my super light 2 for a op1 8k

[woven dove]

op1 8k also has straight to 0 debounce on spdt and it doesn't double click. this mouse should be capable of that too.. but logi

gotta ruin a good thing yet again. they already could remove it with the optical switches but they didn't. i'll never understand. its 30ms on the table on any quick multi click

[prisma light]

I've never seen that debounce. Though I know what causes it.

As far as I know, it was added back on the original GPW to prevent slam clicking, but with optical switches, that is no longer an issue.

[woven dove]

i sent ya the test images

thats with rapid trigger and most sensitive actuation

it basically makes rapid trigger almost entirely pointless to have

[woven dove]

i'd send you the results of superlight as well, but its the exact same as the superstrike x2. its still there. 30ms

i have em all.. i collect these things for some reason

it absolutely doesn't need to be there, but its there, and i have no idea why

[prisma light]

How did you test this. Did you just click the mouse, or did it involve some kind of slam clicking?

[lofty drift]

Have you tried to Maya X?

[lofty drift]

If you mean me, I don't see anything

[woven dove]

light clicks. theres an lr debounce tester that runs in a command prompt. you right click or left click and it registers the debounce delay or multi click filter

[prisma light]

Because on my units, there is no debounce outside of clicking it after the mouse is lightly slammed.

[woven dove]

added you so you can see it gamingkingz

[prisma light]

It's in line with my other nice.

And that's on 1khz

[stable jacinth]

Hi guys

[woven dove]

its impossible to notice in most games, but some with very fast click inputs needed are affected. if ya ever heard of gunz the duel

the tech tbf is actually impossible with all logi mice. it can't click fast enough

its actually a hardware limit

[fallow cypress]

So if what your saying is true, what’s the point getting the super strike rather than the op1 8k

[woven dove]

there is none rn

[stable jacinth]

Wsg guys

[woven dove]

well, no, there is. the clicks are faster

[prisma light]

I play certain kovaaks scenarios that involve click timing, and there is no difference for me.

[lofty drift]

Peak game

[woven dove]

if you dont need to click very very very fast in the game, you won't have an issue and it will be superior

its why i'm keeping it still and plan to use it for.. most games other than gunz

[fallow cypress]

I’m gonna sell/trade my gpro super light 2 for a op1 8k

[prisma light]

Also another question. The 30 Ms debounce, is that flat out delay, and does it account for your first click, or is it purely between clicks when spamming?

[fallow cypress]

I’m just finna replicate viscoses setup

[prisma light]

I can't main the op shape sadly

22x11 cm hands debuff.

[fallow cypress]

I need a bigger mouse tbh, beast maio is too small for me

[prisma light]

The XM feels terrible for me as well.

[fallow cypress]

I can use it comfortably for an hour

Also with the op1, it would be fun to ragebait someone with it

Id be pissed if I got killed by someone using a wired

[prisma light]

I wouldn't.

[woven dove]

it seems to be how fast the next action can click. i can stream the game and show the effect it has but i don't think there is a stream channel in here is there

[fallow cypress]

I was lowk brainwashed to think wireless is better

[mint halo]

People care about what kind of mouse they get killed by?

[prisma light]

In that case, that is totally fine for me.

[fallow cypress]

Majority of people agree that wireless is better

[prisma light]

I don't care what mouse I die by.

[mint halo]

Enough to care at that level tho? I doubt it

[fallow cypress]

I just wanna ragebait people lol

Oh hey, I have a new color

[woven dove]

its actually fine for most things. i really like the mouse, but it has this flaw. its technically better for every other game i play lol

[prisma light]

Back in 2018, I was still using a sensei 310 while people were moving to the G Pro Wireless and Ultralight mice.

[fallow cypress]

In 2018 I was using a g305

[woven dove]

its basically an issue that occurs only in super fast insane speed games, and not even normal insane speed, i go like 800apm at max speed in gunz with mostly precise mouse clicks

thats just not normal

[fallow cypress]

Or a g502

[prisma light]

My hand cramps just hearing that mouse name.

[fallow cypress]

G305 is a goated mouse

[lofty drift]

G305 what in the absolute hoverboard.

G502 the goat

[woven dove]

heck the way i'm using the superstrike x2 would make some of you vommit

i turned off all feedback

[fallow cypress]

Oh hell no

[lofty drift]

Absolute mad man ( I was thinking of turning it off for the love of the game)

[woven dove]

i love it. 😉

[fallow cypress]

What’s y’all’s thoughts on the release of the g309

[prisma light]

Anyways Leg, have you talked to Logitech about it?

And brought it up in other mouse forums?

[prisma light]

It's a mouse

[fallow cypress]

I don’t like how the butchered the thing

[mint halo]

Then don't buy one

[fallow cypress]

Fair

[mint halo]

Solved

[fallow cypress]

I doubt Logitech will ever make a magnesium mouse

[prisma light]

SteelSeries needs to get that new Sensei released soon.

60 grams or lower, with top specs.

[fallow cypress]

Sensor doesn’t really matter

No one uses over 20,000 dpi

[prisma light]

True, but I like the big numbers

Even though I run 1khz

[fallow cypress]

I run 2k htz on my current

[prisma light]

Even on a GPX2

[woven dove]

i sent in a support ticket thing

i think people have tried this before and logi just responds with no you can't change it

its just so silly to put it on the superstrike x2. so so close to perfection

[fallow cypress]

Close

[woven dove]

the sad part is its just a toggle away if they were to enable it

[fallow cypress]

If your paying 180 you should get a perfect mouse

[prisma light]

Close is not a word I would use

M3 is still faulty

[fallow cypress]

Are we fr

[prisma light]

Mhmm

[woven dove]

i didn't run into any issue whats going on with it

[fallow cypress]

It cannot be that hard to fix a scroll wheel bro

[woven dove]

its part of the things they will never change for some reason... like forced 30ms debounce on mice with no bounce

[prisma light]

If you drag click with mouse 3, if you accidentally lose a bit of force, it will unactuate and reactuate uncontrollably.

For me it's a non-issue because I click mouse3 pretty hard.

[woven dove]

ah... thats interesting

[prisma light]

But the fact that it's there... On a 180€ mouse

[fallow cypress]

It should’ve been lighter too

Should be 50 grams

[prisma light]

I don't mind the weight

[fallow cypress]

It’s not the most important part but it def should be lower

[prisma light]

If the XM shape was better, I'd happily use it wirelessly

The Balancing of the weight is super important though. And the Super strike fails there too. It's front heavy

[fallow cypress]

Logitech needs to get to their prime again

[woven dove]

i personally love it. got these huge freak hands

superstrike x2 feels pretty good too

i think i may actually not be picky in that sense at all

[fallow cypress]

It fits everyone’s hand

It’s the go to shape

[prisma light]

I claw-fingertip the GPX2, and the way the XM slants outwards means no room for my fingers to rest.

The dumbest argument I've ever heard in the mouse space is a shape being "too safe"

IMO at least.

[fallow cypress]

I’m not flaming it for being a safe shape

[woven dove]

try using superstrike x2 on lowest actuation and try selecting some text lol

[prisma light]

I know I know

[woven dove]

turn off feedback too

[fallow cypress]

But they should expand their shapes

[prisma light]

They should drop the binned Omron opticals

[woven dove]

feels like i'm controlling the screen with my MIND

[prisma light]

Get some switches that are 10-20 grams lighter and more consistent depending on where you click, similar to the GPX1

[fallow cypress]

real

[umbral field]

is this the offical logitech channel?

[late shard]

i was abl to test superstrike 2x but it seems it has 31ms debounce timer ? how its rapid trigger if it had built in debounce timer so my clicks release late

[placid harness]

This is an official Logitech G Discord server, yes.
You can find the normal invite through various means to double-check:
https://discord.com/invite/logitechg
Feel free to read up about the server at:

• #welcome
• #rules

[flint ibex]

can u chance the de bounce time on the new mouse or does rapid trigger effectivly do the same thing?

[subtle island]

Hello, how do you guys deal with Logitech support ingoring your ticket for 4 months?

[sonic sundial]

find the person that has been ignoring me go up to them start black flashing them like yuji and then let them know what my ticket number is

ask the community manager i did ts to him once trust

[subtle island]

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-14553729619893238098

[lusty hazel]

🍻

hope ur all well today

[teal schooner]

No email 😐

[dapper igloo]

I got a logitech G920 a few months ago, should i update the firmware ? My LSB and RSB buttons dont seem to do anything

[lusty hazel]

i'd say so- yeah

always a good step when troubleshooting

[lusty hazel]

maybe make a follow up

[dapper igloo]

Yeah cuz so far its only working in an older game project cars 2 but not for anything newer but ive heard nightmare stories about problems during or after that update 😬

[lusty hazel]

i just saw a reddit post talkin about the same thing

unsure if i can send links here... lemme try

https://www.reddit.com/r/LogitechG/comments/me3107/help_g920_lsb_rsb_buttons_on_xbox_one_2021/

some say recalibrate ect

and using on xbox? seem they don't work

[dapper igloo]

Damn thanks im on xbox so im gonna have to do away without them til i can upgrade to the RS50 next year

[subtle island]

I wrote 50 mails and made 30 calls so … every time they say - a higher team is handling your ticket

[lusty hazel]

50 emails is alot of emails lol, but how frustrating... maybe ask to be put into contact with said "higher team", or maybe someone here could assist? #🗣support-ticket message although i'm kinda new here so don't know the nuances fully

[subtle island]

https://www.reddit.com/r/logitech/comments/1qwi1h2/logitech_support_is_abusing_me_for_4_months_help/

[subtle island]

Made one just today , take a look at my rededit post

[shy moth]

You can't change the denounce time but it should be fairly low on actuation anyway

[flint ibex]

is it good for butterfly clicking?

and drag?

[shy moth]

Not really

[mint halo]

logitech will never cater to drag clicking. to most large brands think its abuse and a defect

[flint ibex]

aww man i have been looking for an upgrade from my model o2

[flint ibex]

i thought super light can drag

[mint halo]

if you can degrade the switches enough to force it to double click, eventually yea

[shy moth]

Op1/xm2 8k allow you to completely turn off denouncing

[mint halo]

but it still doesnt have adjustable debounce so its not controlled, its just worn out switches

[flint ibex]

would rapid trigger enhance fps?

[mint halo]

why would that increase your frames?

[shy moth]

No

[flint ibex]

nmot fps i mean cps

😆

[shy moth]

I guess

[flint ibex]

wish it would thought 😄

[shy moth]

It's not going to make the mouse double click but you could release the button faster than normal

[flint ibex]

hmm double clicking is quite important in the game i play are there upgrades from the model o2 what have this? and thanks

[shy moth]

Op1 and xm2 8k/w4k

[flint ibex]

should of said before i asked but can it drag?

[blissful locust]

where do I have to hit to fix a side button double clicking(mouse)

[lusty hazel]

percussive maintenance is not recommended 🤣

[shy moth]

That's not how you fix double clicking

You need to replace the switch

[elfin magnet]

https://sea.ign.com/logitech-g-pro-x2-superstrike/238555/news/logitech-x2-superstrike-clone-mice-are-already-available-on-aliexpress

😮 jesus

[mint halo]

it only clones the colors and still has normal mechanical switches

an actual quote from the article "don't be fooled by a mouse that looks like the new hot ticket item but doesn't come with any of the same tricks"

[fallow cypress]

Only thing is, the clones are better for normal super lights

[mint halo]

that is irrelevant to the point of the artcile which is the superstrike

[shy moth]

I don't think anyone is seeing these off brand clone mice and expect it to have the inductive tech though

[lofty drift]

I haven't done this, but can confirm someone has attempted this and it worked

[shy moth]

At least i couldn't see how someone would make that mistake

[mint halo]

I dont either, but the person that linked it really didnt leave much of thought trail to assume they knew better

[tepid jay]

Amazon Canada has screwed new over, changed my ship date about 20 minutes ago from today to March 28th, anyone know any where in Ontario it’s in stock?

[sonic sundial]

@mint halo i got an request

[shy moth]

logitech official store maybe but i'm not sure about canada specifically

[rich terrace]

what is the best for g pro superight 2 for gaming surface mode option > On -or- >Off for QcK cloth mouse pad ? sorry my english is poor

[shy moth]

probably on but it shouldn't make much of a difference

[rich terrace]

there is difference i can feel between both, on feel smoothy and off feel more responsive but i can't feel the muscle memory more clearly like when it's on

i disabled the USB legacy support on my bios

[shy moth]

yeah don't do that

[rich terrace]

chat gpt say it's better to do that for any wireless mouse

[shy moth]

chat gpt is wrong

there's no difference on vs off and wireless has nothing to do with it

there is the issue that usb 2.1 ports can cause interference with 2.4ghz dongles but if you use the extender that doesn't matter anymore

the interference issue only happens if the dongle is plugged directly into the 2.1 port

[rich terrace]

Thank you very much for your care and for helping me. I truly appreciate it

[autumn tundra]

Hi

[knotty oar]

Hello, So I bought some G321 and everything sounds either way to quiet or way to much bass and idk if its just a bad headset or if its a setting

I can barely him anybody on discord and my game is so quiet

Is their a setting somewhere?

[knotty oar]

Like all my volumes are maxxed and still cant hear nothing

[barren arch]

Is there any issues with superstrike rn

Im thinking of just trying mouse out for days n returning, getting it later maybe when its cheaper

Lol

I feel like im gonna miss the clicking feel

[full hinge]

60+ grams
muddy ahh skates
same sub-optimal shape as ever

[full hinge]

tho the clicks are nice tbh, but can still easily swap to the OP1 8k v2 and it doesn't feel worse in any way tbh so don't worry too much about that

would we be cool if we got smth like this but for sensor latency

[barren arch]

Skates are better?

i m using superlight 2 rn so

[fathom yacht]

..you're basically buying the same mouse again, but with different switches

afaik, it's the exact same otherwise

[mint halo]

thats been my experience with it. the switches allow for better feel in switch actuation and "click" feel but otherwise its not really any different in every other aspect than my gpx2.

it had different skates on it stock, but I still didnt like them so they came off too same as my gpx2

[fathom yacht]

kinda par for the course
these are the usual g321 complaints

[barren arch]

ohh

[light forge]

not saying that what you're saying about tbf isn't true (havent played gunz in years), but let's say tbf requires 3 clicks in .2 seconds (I think the reality is probably about .3-.4 seconds), that's a rate of 15 clicks per second. a 30ms debounce means the upper limit on clicks would be 33 clicks per second.

if you listened to something tapping at 33hz, that's almost a speed where you can't hear distinct taps, and the tapping would sound like a consistent tone

not saying that it wouldn't cause u not to be able to tbf, but i don't see technically why it wouldn't be possible

[barren arch]

Superlight 2 isnt 8khz?

4k right

[knotty oar]

Yea like its so bad I had to get a equalizer and better now but it makes my mic sound trash

[fathom yacht]

tis

,,I wouldn't use it, but it's supported

[fathom yacht]

how much was it-?
alternatives could be presented

[knotty oar]

idk like 200

[fathom yacht]

oh lord

that's,,, a lot more than expected

[knotty oar]

idk maybe 100 I forget

[fathom yacht]

they're usually like, 70 bucks

if your range is that broad, maybe look at a pair of cloud iii s wireless'

they're not spectacular, still being a gaming oriented headset- but they're getting there

https://www.tomshardware.com/peripherals/gaming-headsets/hyperx-cloud-iii-s-wireless-review

[balmy vault]

Is there an ETA for Amazon.ca Superstrike fulfillment? I have a preorder in

[mint halo]

there is zero infomation about amazon orders in here. they dont even cover logitech website orders

[fathom yacht]

assuming you're canadian, given the bio

https://ca.hyperx.com/products/hyperx-cloud-iii-s-wireless-gaming-headset?_pos=1&_psq=cloud+iii+s&_ss=e&_v=1.0
currently on sale

the only other usually viable wireless headset options are like

turtle beach atlas airs/stealth 600's

g733's sometimes

there's very few good pairs across the entire market

[woven dove]

thats the thing. it shouldnt in theory but it does. if you try to use even a 10ms testing mouse like beast x max vs 30ms like logi mice, its a huuuuuge difference. then a much smaller but noticeable dif at 5ms

almost no dif under 5ms to 0ms

id have to demonstrate it. you can tbf, it just becomes much slower than max speed. there are different speed tiers of the same tech. at 30ms it is the slowest tbf can go

regardless though its still silly they wont let you change the delay

tbf does seem to go as fast as the user and hardware can manage to a certain limit, but the limit is quite hard to reach for a human to pull off. been playing it for 20 years and its probably one of the very very few situations you will see that kind of thing make a difference at all in

[fallow cypress]

Just get iems

[fathom yacht]

muh soundstage

https://tenor.com/view/happy-internal-cake-x0o0x-vinnie-and-carsein's-discord-server-jirai-kei-mixing-bowl-gif-12928890965913401537

I've only tried boring ass IEMs, my references aren't great

Zero2's/Xuan NVs

kinda wish I tried like

simgot ew300's

[twilit ember]

Chat how’s the new super strike

[placid harness]

Probably pretty super.
-# Don't have mine yet. 🙁

https://tenor.com/view/jokehusky-husky-joke-dadjoke-lol-gif-19095985

[fallow cypress]

😭

[tall mesa]

haptic touch was pretty easy to get used to, feels different but comfortable

[hollow shoal]

here’s a question does anyone just plug the usb dongle straight into the pc? I do and i have no issues

[hollow shoal]

the best mouse i’ve ever owned.

[shy moth]

it's not recommended for 2.4ghz wireless dongles because usb 2.1 ports can have interference

sry usb 3.0 not 2.1

[hollow shoal]

i just plug it into my usb dock on my desk and it doesn’t add any delay etc

[shy moth]

high polling devices on a usb dock is also very much not recommended

[placid harness]

Wow, good call.. I hadn't seen anything about this even though it's been years. Great call-out!

Some information to follow up on for why 3.0 somewhat specifically:
https://superuser.com/questions/1282590/why-does-usb-3-0-interfere-with-2-4ghz-devices

Although it does look like from unshielded cables as opposed to the socket directly or something.

[barren arch]

i jsu got the mouse

i feel like i can tell when im nervous

[shy moth]

it's not exclusive to 3.0 over cables but just any active 3.0 port in general

[barren arch]

scroll wheels feels way nicer on super strike

or maybe because its new?

[shy moth]

i've heard they use a new wheel

probably a new encoder

should be the same one as on the 2c

[barren arch]

Ohh

yeah its nice and this mouse kinda making me tired, putting pressure on it

i feel like u whiff ur done with this

[twilit ember]

Anyone else know why with the g series keyboards the illumination will go out after a set period

I don’t have g hub installed on my pc but my rgb lighting always goes out and I have to spam the key to turn it back on it’s very annoying to say the least

G915 TKL

[halcyon gull]

Hey can I have some help pls

[autumn tundra]

Hi

[autumn tundra]

Sure

[barren arch]

i like the scroll wheel and grip is ehhh

but idk how i like the haptic feedback

[lusty hazel]

late reply prob, but what skates did ya end up usin for the superstrike?

[mint halo]

X-ray pad Jade Ultra full skates. Those are the same ones I have on my gpx2

[lusty hazel]

those aren't bad priced at all, thanks for that 🙂 how do they feel?

[mint halo]

Much faster than the stock superstrike skates 😄 generally tho I'd say they are just a little fast than what you'd expect to be average for ptfe but they are very smooth and controllable

[barren arch]

so skates still aint good ??

[proper mauve]

No they are good. I like them.

[barren arch]

im trying them but its better ones i got rn superglide way too fast on superlight 2

[woven dove]

someone on here mentioned maya x to me the other day too... bought that to try it out too

can compare between it, xm2 8k v1, v2, maya x, beast x max and superstrike x2

[fathom yacht]

Zaopin gave me a shitload of dot skates, I’ll never need to buy them again :3c

[mint halo]

Back when I was using dots, I ordered like 3 packs of Obsidian ones. I can outfit my entire neighborhood with them. It may have been too many 😆

[sick hatch]

Why is my gpx2 not pushing 8,000hz?

[mint halo]

How did you test it?

[sick hatch]

Website

[sick hatch]

How can I test it knowing it 100% works?

[mint halo]

Use software. Websites are inaccurate. Razer makes a testing software.

[sick hatch]

Where can I find it?

[lusty hazel]

i find the stock skates to be decent so far especially with the sensitivity cranked up really helps be super precise without movin much, might still order a set of those though they seem sick

[mint halo]

The stock ones are OK if they have the glide you want. I just felt they were too muddy

I think zowie use a similar skate style, or at least used to

[sick hatch]

How is it that two gpx'2s aren't polling 8000 hz?

From two different computers

[lusty hazel]

ehhhh not a nice feeling as my superlight tbf- that's what im after or better

[mint halo]

It's somewhere on razers website. I'll link it when I get home if you havent found it by then

[full hinge]

They seem fine on a glasspad

[mint halo]

Website...

The razer software is towards the bottom of this page https://www.razer.com/technology/razer-hyperpolling?srsltid=AfmBOooHiBF9njm-Rki7hjcVuvdgeRA1zpqVpO8w8iy4ueHKGuq2I8uh

[lusty hazel]

ahhh nice- i was considering upgrading to one of those, i use this one rn https://www.razer.com/gaming-mouse-mats/razer-gigantus-v2 has a bit of drag with this mouse

do you guys know the difference between options+ and ghub apps?

[mint halo]

Ghub is for the gaming stuff, options is for the office line like the mx mice

[lusty hazel]

ooooooh okay thanks 🙂

[sick hatch]

Ok it's pulling 7.7k

Thank god I thought my mouse was broken lol

@mint halo thank you for helping

[shy moth]

how are you testing it?

[sick hatch]

From this @shy moth it's working fine now, 7.7k

On random websites it was showing 2.3k which made me nervous thought my mouse was broken.

[chrome nacelle]

hey guys when i take my superstrike in hand and i press it with a finger from bottom part, upper left side, it does clicking plastic noise

am i the only one ?

[proper smelt]

hey i was wondering if some could help me set up a macro to navigate a menu? it can not use hot keys so i need the cursor to move

[fathom yacht]

could easily be cpu strain as well

8k polling rates are kinda dumb

[mint halo]

the issue is solved. he was using a browser tester

[void aurora]

Do you know what micro soft is named after?

[slate flume]

does the logitech onboard software work for you guys?

[fathom yacht]

would still rather people not using 8k

too many issues can arise for extremely diminishing returns

:3c

[mint halo]

unless someone asks me what my opionion on it is, I feel no need to press it upon them

[fathom yacht]

more like letting them know than pressing it

It’s nice to be aware of things

[mint halo]

the situation also had no context of that actually being what they used, it was soley around testing. all the more reason not to but in with an unwanted opinion

[fathom yacht]

“unwanted” as if the dude explicitly said

[mint halo]

unless they explicitly asked for it, there is no need to lecture about it

[fathom yacht]

considering all the plausible benefits of a polling rate reduction, there’s no reason not to mention it
If he doesn’t care, sure

he can say that yanno

[mint halo]

or... we can not butt in with out own opinions when not asked for it.

[warped kettle]

I hope I win the giveaway for the logitech x2 superstrike

[mint halo]

I hope you do too 😄

[fathom yacht]

because sure, no need to talk about things in general chat 🥀

[mint halo]

the conversation was over and the problem was solved. there was zero reason to bring it back up and lecture about something that wasnt asked about

[fathom yacht]

lecturing is a stretch

[mint halo]

so I think thats enough on that. time to move on

[cosmic oracle]

I was looking at the new mouse the color for it says Black but the mouse itself is more white than black what the?

[twilit ember]

Hey guys does the x in any of the Logitech keyboards mean it’s better?

[mint halo]

most of them have X in the name now. it used top mean they had slightly different features but that hasnt been a thing since the wired Pro X TKL

like 5 or 6 years ago

[twilit ember]

Ahh ok I always thought it was the more premium keyboard over the generic non x models

[mint halo]

for something like the 915, the x just means its the updated, newer one

[twilit ember]

Yeah right

I got the g915 tkl atm looking to upgrade

Plus theirs some good sales on atm

[mint halo]

I dont have the X version so this may not be all inclusive but they main attraction for it is the keycaps are a better material, its got a better designed switch/keycap attachment system and its got type c charging

there may be some additional changes in software, but im not 100% on that part

[twilit ember]

Yeah that’s why I was trying to decipher if the X was always the better version to get cause of some smaller upgrades haha

[stray temple]

What do you guys think of the new mouse? im thinking about getting it but its like $200 does anyone have it already and if so is it worth it?

[teal schooner]

No mouse is worth $200

[full hinge]

depends on the gain you get from the mouse and the ease with which you can miss $200

for a billionaire, a $200 mouse is definitely worth it even if it provides a 3 microsecond advantage

[teal schooner]

Except none of you are billionaires.

[full hinge]

wdym

[teal schooner]

🤦‍♂️

Buy the mouse if it makes you happy, but there are mice just as good if not better for way less

[full hinge]

no mouse has this revolutionary technology

[teal schooner]

Revolutionary technology?

[full hinge]

trust me, I've google'd it

[full hinge]

The user you initially replied to was likely referring to the Logitech G Pro X2 Superstrike

[teal schooner]

I’m aware

[full hinge]

Well, this mouse features revolutionary new click technology that false reports claim reduces click latency by 30 ms

I have been trying out the superstrike myself and it is genuinely revolutionary compared to all other mouses I have used

[teal schooner]

“Up to”

[full hinge]

I have tested it and over 200 trials, I averaged 2ms less latency on the Logitech G Pro X2 Superstrike compared to the Endgame Gear OP1 8k V2

[teal schooner]

2ms is so incredibly neglible

[full hinge]

Although when you move the mouse, the OP1 8k wins, but for static click latency, this thing is a beast

[teal schooner]

You’d be better off buying a better router tbh

[full hinge]

I use a wired connection and I think that is generally considered the gold standard among gamers. Wireless gaming with a router is mostly left to the mobile and VR fans

[teal schooner]

I use wireless..

My pings averages like 10-15

[full hinge]

That is an interesting observation. Why did you make that decision?

[teal schooner]

Because my router is far away from where i play and I can’t be bothered running an Ethernet cable

[full hinge]

Don't you think it could be even better with a wired connection? Especially the stabillity may suffer when using wireless

[full hinge]

That is a great reason. Thanks for expanding my view on what it means to be a gamer

[teal schooner]

I can’t tell if you’re AI, rage baiting or just incredibly optimistic

[mint halo]

seems like we are back to AI responses.

[full hinge]

I'm optimistic on Logitech and gaming. I don't do rage baiting or AI usage

[teal schooner]

Write me a recipe for blueberry muffins

[full hinge]

It is human-written! I just appreciated his explanation

[full hinge]

I have never tried baking blueberry muffins, but it is certainly something I wish to try some time now I have my own place!

[teal schooner]

Print(hello world)

[full hinge]

syntax error >> P <<

syntax error >> hello << variable not defined

[teal schooner]

I was hoping you wouldn’t notice the absence of quotation marks

[full hinge]

I actually didn't for like 5 seconds ;-;

also happens too often while writing code

I'm saved so much by modern IDEs with the red scribblings 😊

[teal schooner]

Anyway mouse isn’t worth $200

[mint halo]

to you. worth is subjective

[teal schooner]

It’s just fact

[mint halo]

its not

[teal schooner]

How come?

[full hinge]

tbh if it makes you feel more comfortable playing and if you use it for hundreds of hours, it's definitely worth it for an unpoor person

$200 spread out over 1000 hours is $0.20 per hour

[mint halo]

because if I see something cost $200, and buy it, I have decided it is worth $200. thats how people individually assign value and if something is worth it or not

[teal schooner]

You admitted yourself that it’s main selling point barely out competes a mouse more than half its price

[full hinge]

Certainly, the differences aren't great for most individuals.

However, even a couple milliseconds may be worth it to some power users.

Also, the comfort aspect of the silent and adjustable clicks cannot be overstated.

[teal schooner]

A couple milliseconds isn’t worth it for 99.9% of players

[full hinge]

I do agree with you that the majority of players isn't going to benefit greatly from the click latency reduction of the Superstrike

[teal schooner]

I’ll reword it then. For what it is, the mouse is overpriced.

[barren arch]

Ppl gettin banned for using mouse which games r safev

[terse swan]

hi guys)
has anyone checked whether the size of Superstrike skates match in size of Superlight 2 skates?
it's looks the same, but I am not sure about it

[mint halo]

they do. I have superlight 2 skates on mine

[terse swan]

ty so much 🤍

[shadow garnet]

What, the Superstrike? There's like one tweet about it, no collaboration that people were actually getting banned that I saw.

[honest parrot]

Are they add supperstrike setting in g hub, or i need dowload sth else?

[shadow garnet]

It's in GHUB, just like most of their gaming products

[twilit ember]

is it worth upgrading my g915 tkl to something newer

[halcyon gull]

Can someone help me

[mint halo]

my opinion, if its for gaming and you are looking for an upgrade Id only really consider something with hall effect switches. moving to something else with normal mech switches is ok, but from a 915, id only consider jumping up to somethin custom from there

[twilit ember]

Yea it’s primarily for gaming haha

Does Logitech offer keyboards with Hall effect switches?

[mint halo]

yes, G515 rapid and G Pro X TKL rapid

both are wired, just so you know going in

[twilit ember]

Let me see the prices on them here in Aus and if their in stock

Ahh yeah they got g515 rapid tkl wired at one of the stores for $268

[mint halo]

Im in the US so Im not sure what the conversion here is. I know stuff is more in Aus

[twilit ember]

Little bit cheaper on Amazon at $150 but I’d have to pay extra for shipping could get it today 🤷

[mint halo]

ive been using the pro x tkl rapid for a bit now and I enjoy it. I havent sought out reviews of the 515, but its the same tech just in a different chasis so Id expect a very similar experience

I only assume you are looking at the 515 rapid since its a similar form factor to your 915 tkl

[halcyon gull]

Goated game?

[full hinge]

orbs.it

[fathom yacht]

I'd usually agree, but the superstrikes switches are indeed a bit neat
might be mass placebo, but I've heard of peoples reaction latency reducing by ~20ms from the switches alone

which.. sounds impossible, and I can't quite understand it yet- but, some actual professional data on the matter should be available relatively soon

I'm extremely curious about the actual click latency compared to a standard optical/mechanical switch

[placid harness]

I believe they've mentioned reaction from. Touch can be achieved before sight. I think they've done some studies with the dropping a dollar reaction time style "game".

[plain oracle]

Got my super strikes x2 today.

[barren arch]

Does superlight 2c and superstrike have same sroll wheel

why it feel so nice

[barren arch]

I Heard its not ptfe so its just black ?

[full hinge]

I think people are just placebo selecting the runs where they get 20ms lower

I get at most about 3ms lower on mine

[teal schooner]

I still don’t know what they’re comparing it to? Up to 30ms less latency… compared to what? Conventional switches? My mouse (aerox 5 wired) supposedly has 7 ms of latency in independent tests, and it’s currently $70 ($55 when i got it on Black Friday). The guy in the discord before said he tested it at 3ms static (The super strike 2), but this isn’t “revolutionary” as he said, that’s pretty normal for a competitive mouse. For reference, the difference between my £50/$70 mouse and this £159/$217, is ONE frame at 240hz, and about 2% of the average human reaction time. Maybe I’m just salty or something, but £160 for what? Adjustable triggers? Pay me £100 and i’ll come sand down the contacts in your mouse for a lower actuation 👍

[fathom yacht]

Conventional switches/other mice, yeah
in terms of "reaction time"

I find it personally hard to believe

[teal schooner]

The highest latency i could find from a mouse is 24.8ms on the Logitech pebble m350

Nevermind, the 2008 Microsoft arc mouse has 45.6ms

[flint ibex]

when is the g hub web based coming out?

[tulip forge]

Does anyone that has knowledge on the logitech g920 wheel setup works please contact me? i’m having issues connecting it and getting my pc to recognize it and i have a cable that doesn’t go anywhere i have no clue what to do

[stray temple]

What does everyone think of the Logitech super strike

[honest parrot]

I got it today, i like it

[muted meadow]

🫣

[chilly osprey]

did logitech announce the giveaway winners for the x2 superstrike already?

[modest otter]

hi

[vocal yew]

anyone able to help with the g hub app? it refuses to load not had issues before brought a new keyboard and now the app wont load

[dense shore]

i'm also having issues with the g hub app

[stray temple]

Can I order the mouse now even though shipping starts March 6th

[lusty hazel]

yeah

[warped kettle]

SO who won the superstrike x2 on gleam has a winner been chosen or not yet

[mint halo]

Gleam giveaways aren't announced here. They have no tie to the discord aside from joining to gain an entry

[hushed meteor]

So I see the server picture is for the PlaySeat Mc Laren so when will it be available??

[full hinge]

It would be cool if we got a name attached to it tho tbh

[mint halo]

You might. The giveaway isn't held here so it won't be here.

[full hinge]

fair ig

[chilly saddle]

Hi there, does anyone got the new superstrike x2 mouse i am new to G hub and need some help, thx

[fading leaf]

i do

granted i'm new with ghub aswell and run linux lol

[mortal ingot]

We have rl leauge and we nedd a good player daimond or champ or platiniom if anybody want call me in privacy

[wet jay]

is there a support channel or something?

however, i have a logitech g pro wireless and recently my right click button stopped working properly. When i hold it down, it still like keeps clicking a little, so it still clicks instead of holding it

any fix?

[flint ibex]

has anyone been shadowbanned with then ew superstike x2? i have never been shadowbanned in my life as i dont evenplay ranked and my acc just got shadowbanned...

[wet jay]

.

[full hinge]

#🗣support-ticket maybe?

Also, Logitech is famously known to have problematic clicks with some units, especially the gpw and its variants, so you're not alone in experiencing such issues

[full hinge]

There were reports of people being banned on apex due to using the superstrike, but you may need to contact the support of the game you were shadowbanned from to learn more

[wet jay]

any way to fix? I cant use this its so bad

[wet jay]

its not a new mouse so idk if i can make a ticket

[thin leaf]

someone have a good eq for pro x headset for bo7?

[open thorn]

Car

[full hinge]

idk maybe someone know when they wake up.

[full hinge]

red car

[open thorn]

Blue car

[stray temple]

I order the new mouse from the logitech webiste right

[stray temple]

shadow banned on what game?

[flint ibex]

cod

[stray temple]

well that is your first problem lol

[flint ibex]

i didnt come here for those kind of answers

[stray temple]

what do you think of the new mouse? Did you order it from the logitech website

sorry

@flint ibex sorry about that ill chill, I have personally never been shadow banned before, How long are you shadow banned?

[wet jay]

bro my right click JUST got fked the yesterday and now the new mouse is out of stock everywhere

[stray temple]

I can order the new mouse on the logitech website right?

[flint ibex]

woke up today and was sb, dont know how long thats gonna last i never was, bought the last 8 games on my same battlenet same activision

[wet jay]

depends where you live, but i'd assume so. But i doubt its in stock

[stray temple]

it says in stock on the website

[wet jay]

fr?

what country do you live in?

[stray temple]

US

I just bought mine

[mint halo]

cant you just go to the website and see if it is available to order? seems like that would have been the fastest way to answer this

[wet jay]

hey

[wet jay]

can you help with this

[mint halo]

no. mods are not support. it says as much in the rules.

[wet jay]

oh okay

can i use the ticket channel even though i bought it like 6 years ago?

[mint halo]

you can, all theyll be able to do is maybe suggest ways to repair it, warranty is well expired so they wont be able to send you a replacement

[wet jay]

but do you think it might be a software glitch or something or is it the actual mouse?

[mint halo]

no idea.

[wet jay]

because it happened one day when i turned my pc on. I didnt do anything with the mouse

[teal schooner]

6 years with one mouse, it’s time to let it go and get a new one tbh

[wet jay]

well i was going to get the new one, but its not in stock at all. I live in denmark, and i cant find it anywhere

[teal schooner]

Just get something else then, the new mouse isn’t that great

[mint halo]

how long have you had yours? you previous comments made it seem like you didnt

[wet jay]

are you sure? I heard its very great and especially with all the new features that are unmatched

[teal schooner]

The features definitely aren’t unmatched, as I explained in message earlier.

[wet jay]

yeah bro im not reading allat

[full hinge]

It's nice if you like silent very light-feeling clicks and adjustable haptics

otherwise you're probably better off going for a cheaper option

[mint halo]

I cant think of a single other mouse that lets you select from that many actuation points, has that many options for feedback levels and has rapid trigger

[wet jay]

got any examples? and i dont like those logitech mouses with 500 buttons

my current mouse is logitech g pro wireless and i liked it for the entire time ive had it

[teal schooner]

There are no other mouses, but being able to adjust your actuation level isn’t worth £160

[mint halo]

so it is unmatched.

[full hinge]

it honestly depends on what you're looking for in a mouse

[mint halo]

worth is subjective

[full hinge]

this tbh 🫅

[wet jay]

well, i mainly play r6 and some league. So a good mouse for a fps game would be nice and if theres anything like logitech g pro wireless thats good with me

[teal schooner]

In a useless feature, most of my job is at a computer, I’ve also been gaming for many years, NEVER have I thought “I wish my mouse triggers took more effort and longer to depress”

[full hinge]

there's a lot of newer editions of the gpw (same shape & feel) that improve on weight/sensor & stuff.

like the gpx, gpx2, gpx2c

[mint halo]

so its not worth it to you. none of that has anything to do with how widespread the technology is or isnt or how others will value it

[wet jay]

isnt the logitech g pro wireless basically the old and worse version of superlight or am i trippin?

[full hinge]

yes. superlight (gpx) was the successor of the gpw

The GPX boasted an impressive 25% weight reduction compared to the (now ancient) GPW!

[wet jay]

so when you said gpx gpx2 and gpx2c did you mean superlight or?

[full hinge]

gpx is gpw's successor. then came gpx2. then came gpx2c

then came superstrike

[wet jay]

yeah mate youre speaking chinese, no offence but i dont know what gpx, gpw etc is

[teal schooner]

In general, it’s just not worth it, there are mouses half the price that rival if not outcompete the super strike 2 in every other aspect, so it’s literally an extra £70-80 for adjustable triggers

[mint halo]

not worth it to you*

[wet jay]

which ones rivals in your opinion?

[full hinge]

gpw = g pro wireless
gpx = g pro x superlight
gpx2 = g pro x superlight 2
gpx2c = g pro x superlight 2c

[wet jay]

and which one is the best statistically?

[teal schooner]

Because i know what i’m on about

[mint halo]

you use an old steel series mouse... no you dont

[full hinge]

what do you mean with statistically?

[teal schooner]

4ms slower latency for £100 cheaper..

[wet jay]

in terms of weight, reaction time and wtv is relevant to a mouse

[full hinge]

in terms of specs, the g pro x superlight 2c is probably the best pre-superstrike gpw-shaped logitech mouse

[wet jay]

idk if its just me but i never liked steelseries mouses. Me personally i think steelseries has great keyboards, but thats about it

[wet jay]

whats the difference between superlight 2 and 2c?

[full hinge]

2c is slightly smaller than 2. There may be additional differences. I recommend googling them

[mint halo]

SteelSeries entire mouse offering is at least 5 years behind every other company. the entire enthusiast mouse industry is selling on who has the lowest latency. not realizing that is the metric they are are selling to proves you do not know the current market

[stray temple]

what do you guys think about the new mouse

if you have it

[wet jay]

what about lamzu, have you tried those?

[teal schooner]

Statistically, what is the noticeable difference between my mouse and this £160 mouse?

[full hinge]

I agree. I'm currently using a SteelSeries keyboard and it is great. However, I have tried a steelseries mouse before and it was disappointing. It is also evidently clear that they are not competing at the frontier of gaming mice

[full hinge]

I have not personally tried lamzu mice, but I have heard many romantic stories about them

[stray temple]

I have the wooting keyboard so im excited to get this mouse also

[wet jay]

romantic is wild

[teal schooner]

60he?

I’m gonna get that soon

[full hinge]

That sounds amazing. The combination of a Hall Effect keyboard with an Induction mouse is a powerful and scary sight to see.

[wet jay]

i just want a good mouse or sum ;(

my setup old asf

[teal schooner]

Look around, watch some vids on it. Don’t just buy a mouse because it has a high price tag, doesn’t automatically make it good.

[stray temple]

I have 60he and 80he

[mint halo]

run down the spec sheet. basically everything listed

[teal schooner]

Worth it or nah?

[wet jay]

well i mainly wanted it because it had the thing where you dont need to click all the way down

[full hinge]

What constitutes a good mouse is truly up to you. If you don't care about money and just want the same thing you already had but with better specs, go get the G Pro X Superlight 2. Do you want to experiment with other types of mouse and the tradeoffs they offer? Then look at what you really want in a mouse and see which mouse is the closest to what you desire.

[stray temple]

100% worth it

[wet jay]

i have one question, what skates do you prefer? I just got jade skates for the first time ive ever bought skates recently and i dont feel like they glide that much. idk if they just dont glide that much or its because my mouse pad is very old and dirty

[full hinge]

idk im not much of a skate conoisseur tbh

[wet jay]

i see i see

[wet jay]

have you tried a steelseries apex pro before?

[mint halo]

Ive almost bought an 80he so many times. I havent been super satisfied with the sound customising my 60hes have ended up to want to buy a more expensive version

[teal schooner]

I just did. 6g’s lighter, 25% faster sensor, double the DPI (16,000 for 32,000. No one uses above 1600, no advantage), it’s got 5 less buttons, double the hz (literally no difference), all for £100 more? (£120 in my case, Black Friday)

[wet jay]

whats the difference between 80he and 60he?

[teal schooner]

80% versus 60% keyboard

[wet jay]

ah just that

i dont like 60 icl, i prefer when theres the arrow keys and f1 keys

[mint halo]

80he is not really an 80%, since thats a TKL, but the 80he is a custom slightly cutdown tkl

its a custom layout only they use

[wet jay]

so what buttons do they have that 60% dont have?

[mint halo]

the entire f row, arrow keys and a few of the ones above the arrows

[wet jay]

aint that literally tkl/80%?

[mint halo]

no, tkl has the full 9 buttons above the arrows, the 80he has some missing

[wet jay]

eh? i have the tkl version of steelseries apex pro and i only have 6 buttons above the arrows

[mint halo]

so your apex doesnt have printscreen, lock, and pause/break next to f12?

[wet jay]

nah it has m1-6

it doesnt havae the pause/break but its not a key really

oh wait, printscreen is it that custom screen of steelseries?

[mint halo]

I just looked up the newer one, it looks like they also replaced those with a screen

[wet jay]

yeah they did

[mint halo]

so the wooting 80he has a custom bottom row to account for the arrows moved over and then a slimmed down 2 wide key stack above the arrows

the custom bottom row is a bigger factor than anything else for buying keycaps. nevermind its just a removed key

[wet jay]

my steelseries keyboard is a few years old. Is it worth to get a wooting, or worth to just keep steelseries?

[mint halo]

wooting is the premium option and cater more to customization. if you want to mod it, id go wooting, but practically most HE boards are pretty even on performance. wooting may have a slight edge with polling stuff they do but I dont think its something people notice. Its not somethinig I would use as a reasoin to buy it anyway

[wet jay]

I see, ty

[glad topaz]

Hello my g920 centers at 1 degree is there a fix for it?

[wet jay]

is anyone here familiar with skates?

[full hinge]

I skated on ice a number of times in my life

I wasn't very good at it, but it was a fun time nonetheless

[teal schooner]

Fell flat on my ass and broke my coccyx once

[full hinge]

ouch. idk what a coccyx is but it doesnt sound good ;-;

[teal schooner]

Your tailbone

[wet jay]

bro 😭

i meant mouse skates

[teal schooner]

Mice don’t slide very far on ice

[full hinge]

o TIL the tailbone is the coccyx

[full hinge]

I understand bro, that is okay. I hope someone knowledgable sprinkles in sometime soon

maybe join the mousereview discord. probably some mouseskate conoisseurs there

[wet jay]

can you invite me?

dms is fine

[full hinge]

oky, dm'd u invite

[wet jay]

thank you, i appreciate it

[sharp path]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HFW-uUd7EFXzeWE7HtbyKA7Cgbhly61PaFhfrhntuEc/edit?usp=drivesdk

mouse skate sheet :3

[wet jay]

is this in general for all mouses?

[sharp path]

yes

[wet jay]

jesus theres many

i dont even know what im looking at or what im supposed to look at

[wet jay]

could you just say which ones you'd recommend for the logitech superlight 2c 😭

I do play games such as league and rainbow six siege, so skates that glides alot, would be a + for me if possible

[full hinge]

TBTL V2 POM
OR
TALONGAMES KUMO

at least if we follow the sheet since they both get a 10 for cloth pads

[sharp path]

might wanna skip tbtl poms bc of the size - not sure they fit in the skate groves of mice like the gpx :3 (might not actually be a problem)

[full hinge]

Thats an excellent point. Thanks for bringing that up

[wet jay]

yeah i need some common ones, cuz these ones i cannot get in denmark

its a small country, so its limited to what we have unfortunately

[teal schooner]

How do you operationalise mouse skate score?

[sharp path]

just hop on maxgaming.dk and grab some x-raypad jades

[full hinge]

⚠️ The sheet says these are overrated⚠️

[sharp path]

probably are, but they're easy to grab everywhere

[wet jay]

Okay, but would you say superlight 2c got some good standard skates? Ive heard people say they do, or do you think i should just get xraypad jades?

[full hinge]

Hmmm That sounds like a fair assessment

[sharp path]

i haven't received my gpx2c yet so i couldn't tell you, but i generally don't mind using the stock skates on most mice

[full hinge]

I can only speak for the superstrike, but it has terrible skates compared to my OP1

[sharp path]

only case that really annoyed me was gpx1/2 on glasspads

[full hinge]

if the superlight 2c has same skates then its a yikes

[sharp path]

yeah i heard superstrike was uhmwpe skates

[mint halo]

the 2c skates are decent enough where I think you could tolerate trying them before deciding to buy somethingh else

[wet jay]

regular white jade mouse skates right?

[sharp path]

kinda odd choice for most people

[full hinge]

I am most people yay 🐑

[sharp path]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-leopard-snep-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-2180103842173569141

[wet jay]

Aight i will

[sharp path]

green ones are fine too - they just have an added foam layer for "noise reduction" (logitech does the same thing w their stock skates)

[wet jay]

noise reduction? What noise exactly?

[wet jay]

btw what does obsidian skates do

also does jade skates glide a little or is my mouse pad just dirty and they are supposed to glide alot?

[full hinge]

jades are faster

[sharp path]

they're just a slower but more durable ptfe skate

[wet jay]

yeye but are they supposed to glide alot or? Because i have jade on my current mouse and they dont glide alot

even though they are very new

[full hinge]

hmmm maybe they need to be broken in? 😳

[sharp path]

they should glide fine afaik? any chance you're on a slower pad?

[full hinge]

bro rockin' that mudpad

[wet jay]

https://webdanes.dk/shop/arozzi-arena-fratello-140729p.html?CookieConsentChanged=1

i use this table and the mousepad on it, its very old and lowkey dirty

[full hinge]

why not clean it ;-;

[wet jay]

eh idk, im lazy ig

and its a giant ass mouse pad i have to remove everything, i really cant be asked to do allat

[full hinge]

only has to do it once ...

[wet jay]

well ive done it before but i had it for like 8 years

[full hinge]

for a while anyway

[wet jay]

aint this mousepad honestly just bad in general compared to other ones?

[full hinge]

idk, prolly on the slower side

[modest marsh]

hello

[full hinge]

good morning sir

[stray temple]

So I just heard people are getting banned from arc raiders and cod and stuff because of the new mouse did I just waste $200?

[teal schooner]

It’ll get fixed soon.

[slate flume]

is there any way to save the software sattings on the superstrike PRO X2 that the software dont have to run always?

[lusty hazel]

check "onboard mode" might have what ur lookin for

[next cove]

Can the Astro A20 X connect to two PCs via PlaySync and let me switch between them easily?

[floral fulcrum]

#📣self-promotion

[flint ibex]

memory manager

thats what i use

[small arch]

When X2 superstrike going to be released in Asia pacific?

[flint ibex]

is logitech in contact with activision for the problem regarding the x2 superstrike?

[mint halo]

thats not something anyone here would have information on

[sturdy dove]

Somebody name me one of their favorite raw songs, i will rate it and remix it, text me a DM or tell me here

[shy moth]

Use onboard memory manager

[shy moth]

The only report i've seen was apex legends and that turned out to be unrelated to the mouse

[weary salmon]

Hi folks. I've recently brought a G502 X and was working through keybinds etc. One issue I have got is that one of the buttons is bound to "DPI Shift" and I cannot remove this without disabling the button completely. Is there a way around this that can remove the default system bind without disabling the key?

[placid harness]

I haven't heard anything about the super strike getting people banned from any of the popular game news that I have been following. Generally the hardware does not allow for any built-in macroing so I can't possibly imagine it would be banned and I think it's just cheaters trying to skirt themselves being caught, honestly. For instance if they're using macros with the mouse sure they'll get banned but not because of the super strike capability specifically

[mint halo]

what ended up being the cause in the apex thing? maybe more ammusingly, Ive only seen reports of bans in games that the communities of those games compalin the anti-cheat doesnt do anything

[shy moth]

Statement from the apex legends dev team: this ban in question was not related to the use of this mouse peripheral.

"As per our normal process, we reviewed the ban and deemed it a false positive and unbanned the user. We have modified the rule that triggered the ban threshold and are currently looking at historical data for any other false positives now."

Hope that clears things up.

[full hinge]

Do we trust the apex devs? 🫣

[mint halo]

its their game, if you cant trust them about it, who can you?

[placid harness]

Apex isn't really a mom and pop indie game... Not the biggest name out there, but in general they deal with a large player base and from what I can tell are considered fairly competitive.

Hearing back about a false ban is huge. Teams are very strict about those kinds of things, so I can appreciate any response.

[full hinge]

They have the incentive to act as if theyre the good guys so tbh it is good reason. Same reason we dont trust when spaceboy says we on mars by 2020

Though I do agree that it is likely the bans were caused by other things

[full hinge]

Competitive but also building literal aim cheats into the game for controller players is wild combo

[clear burrow]

I mean controller needs something, wouldn't be fair otherwise.

MnK is too OP

[full hinge]

For casual gameplay I agree. For competitive, it’s not right

[clear burrow]

It's not balanced without it, the problem is games like CoD that add too much magnetism. There's a goldilocks somewhere.

If you're trying to have controller and MnK players compete on a level playing field anyways.

Aimlabs is a great example of what it looks like when controller players have no aim assist. The score differences are pretty gross.

[full hinge]

Ok but why even have controllers compete then if they’re a worse input method

Raw input -> in-game action should be in competitive

[slate flume]

ty

[slate flume]

ty

[lofty drift]

I've got a superstrike and Maya X

Both work perfectly fine as endgames.

Should I keep both or refund one? Maya X is significantly lighter

Superstrike just works perfectly fine too. What would y'all do?

I can only refund the superstrike X2******

[clear burrow]

Because numbers, marketing, accessibility, consoles are a lot cheaper to get into etc. Obviously having 1.5inches of aim gradient on a joystick versus feet of space on a desk is going to have more accuracy. Not to mention using larger muscle groups to aim with MnK.

[plain oracle]

Superstrike haptic tech is second to none. I would sell all your other mices and keep x2. eBay even lists superstrike over 350 so why would you return it. Go to codepen, enable your rapid trigger, set left click settings to 1. You will see the 2nd to 100th click is ten times as fast. You can’t put a cost to that.

@lofty drift

[teal schooner]

I’ve always found my aiming on mnk is pretty similar to my aim on roller w aim assist in most games, aim assist is definitely needed, and it doesn’t make sense to take that away in competitive.

[plain oracle]

if you find it heavy, switch to the Wallhack 5 mouse pad — it will offset the weight difference.

[lofty drift]

What's codepen? And great analysis mate, I agree. Just from using it, it's insanely fast and I ain't gotta run tests

[plain oracle]

It’s a mouse click test webpage

[lofty drift]

It's perfectly weighed tbh

Naturally the Maya X being like 47g is much much lighter but the superstrike weight is light work to me

[lofty drift]

Still got insanely good control on it tbh

With LG Saturn pro X soft

[lofty drift]

Yeh I ain't understand those costs XD, you're correct about the price but I don't think people would go spend that much knowing the website itselfs cheaper

[plain oracle]

It’s the new tech syndrome

[kindred wolf]

DOES ANYONE PLAY F1 25 HERE

[mint halo]

No need to yell

[full hinge]

MnK indeed allows greater skill expression

[full hinge]

Its kindof like the AI art discussion. AI art may look as good as real art, but it always stays fake and low-effort version of the real stuff

[teal schooner]

Roller is just more difficult to aim with, you’re aiming with your thumb compared to your arm and wrist. Controller players will always need extra assists to help match mnk.

[full hinge]

I agree, but my question is why try to artificially prop up an inferior input method

When I see a cool in-game clip and think wow this guy got good tracking aim, it is disappointing when I then notice the controller symbols pop up

And there are actually good controller aimers out there tbh

[teal schooner]

I agree with you, i’ve used a controller for probably around 17 years now, and when i switched to mnk about a year ago, I got 10x better within a few days, the aiming was easy but my movements was ass, pressing the wrong keys and shi, but i’m still pretty solid on roller. Controllers are just more convenient, you don’t need a desk, they’re relatively cheap compared to a mnk, some people prefer them fsr 🤷‍♂️

[full hinge]

Yeah, Ive tried learning to aim with left hand for a couple of days and I was making good progress in aim trainer, but coordinating movement + shooting felt like I was a baby lol

But yah, controllers do be convenient & cheap ig

[teal schooner]

Why would you wanna aim with your left hand??

[flint ibex]

when is g hub web driver coming out

[full hinge]

It was a fun experiment xd

On the first day I was already better with my left hand than I was with my right hand back when I first tried kovaak

Technique does so much tbh

[full hinge]

🔜

Just curious - why is the downloadable stuff not good enough?

[flint ibex]

really?

or you're trolling

[mint halo]

they dont annouce those dates in advance in here. no one knows when its coming until they formally announce it

so your guess is as good as anyone elses

[full hinge]

It feels like it should be soon, so we should hope for it to be soon.

[full hinge]

Still im curious what is the advantage of web based ghub?

[mint halo]

it wouldnt be a web based ghub, it would be more similar to a web based onboard memory manager. Some people dont want to have software running in the background 24/7 and dont want to have to download something to configure onboard so a web based tool accomplishes all of that.

finalmouse and wooting are probably the 2 most recognizable companies already doing this

[wet jay]

does the logitech superlight 2c have anymore settings on the logitech app than the logitech g pro wireless?

[mint halo]

higher polling rate, and higher dpi options but those are up to you if they are important. the biggest things missing from teh 2c are side buttonsd on either the left or right and RGB settings

oh the 2c also lets adjust lift off distance and have different x and y sensitivity

[wet jay]

just that?

[mint halo]

pretty much

[wet jay]

bruh

why would anyone ever upgrade their mouse from logitech g pro wireless to superlight 2c

[mint halo]

lighter weight, better sensor, opticasl switches, type c charging better battery life, better skates

and the 2c is physically a smaller mouse

the ghub options arent the only way they differ

[wet jay]

aight bruh

oh wait i just noticed i said logitech ghub, ah ye that makes sense

i meant in general not just the app

[wet jay]

wdym optical switches?

[mint halo]

switches that actuate with light, not metal contacts. more reliable. most mice use these now

[wet jay]

do you mean switches like mouse buttons or? i dont understand what you mean with switches

[mint halo]

the main left and right click

[wet jay]

ah nice

i ordered it, just waiting for it to arrive

[warped pebble]

is anyone else having issues with their g923 wheel?

i kno longer get feedback and true feedback

[full hinge]

I’m aware of them doing this, but you also dont need to run the memory manager 24/7 right? Only when you want to make a change

I guess I just fail to see the value proposition there, but looking at the demand there must be something I miss

[vocal yew]

anyone have a fix for the g hub app refusing to load ive tried everything... just spent £150 on a new keyboard and cant change anything about it

[wet jay]

am i just the only one that prefers a software over a website?

[thin osprey]

When it works I prefer the program principle. But G hub has historically had a trend of getting stuck in a loading loop for me. When that happens I see the appeal in a website that won't require me to manually clean out all possible files that has anything to do with G hub to be able to reinstall it so it works again

[wet jay]

Ah

[placid harness]

On the other hand a program will have a lot less issues when it comes to security... But hit and miss on various things.

[wet jay]

so i’ve been seeing people say the superlight mice’s have horrible batteries because they get loose or something within a few months to a year? I had my logitech g pro wireless for 6 years and it can still hold up to like 40 hours. Is it true that superlight just has a bad battery?

[vestal meadow]

hello

[outer sphinx]

Anybody having problems with the latest G HUB making a G923 force feedback not work correctly?

[full hinge]

For me the gpx started rattling after a couple weeks, tho I did fairly intense schulte hover and jtf so that may have contributed to it, but it seems to not be the most structurally strong mouse

Tho the battery didnt degrade much or anything, it still held up good amount of play duration

[golden veldt]

can someoen tell me why my logitechh g355 headseat sound like its clogged i just got it

[full hinge]

Have you made sure you removed all the protective sealing?

[golden veldt]

are there any that like protect the audio or something?

from what i see i removed them all

[golden veldt]

does it have anything to do with noise cancelation?

[mint halo]

ive seen using superlights (and gpw before the superlight was released) for years and never had any battery come unstuck and rattle around. It is very likely environment dependant

[neon spruce]

Hello, is there anyone here on the server that is working with LogitechFrance and LogitechNordic?

[mint halo]

not that im aware of.

[neon spruce]

I need help regarding something and I need to ask them

I want to contact Hunter, but dms are closed

[mint halo]

yea dont dm mods. its specifically n the rules. hes also in north america so not the regions you are looking for

[neon spruce]

I didn't know

Do you know someone that I can contact by any chance that is in Europe?

[mint halo]

no

[wet jay]

how long do you think? Because i feel like my gpw battery lasts as long as when i got it 6 years ago

[astral dock]

is it normal for my g733 headset to not have sound when i just start a video then it gets sound

[full hinge]

Idk I dont have it anymore, but it wasnt any annoyance or anything for as long as I used it

[wet jay]

@full hinge @mint halo any mousepad you can recommend?

[mint halo]

there are a lot of clones on the market these days, but my go to is the Artisan Zero soft. Lethal Gaming Gear Saturn Pro is a good option as well

[wet jay]

what are some good cheap ones?

[mint halo]

that I dont know, thats not part of the market I pay attention to

[wet jay]

ah ok

[warped kettle]

Waiting for the winner of the g pro x superstrike 2 to be announced 👈 🫰 👆 👇 ✊ 👊 👎 👍 🤝 👏 🙌 👐 🤲 👌 🤙 🫲

[mint halo]

wont be announced here 🫃

[warped kettle]

Will it be announced on the gleam page or never? Just like hidden? 🤚 ✊ ✊ ✊ ✊ 🤲 👎 👍 👍 👏 🤝 🤝 🤲 🙌

[mint halo]

dont know. I dont work for gleam or logitech. just know it will not be announced here since the giveaway wasnt dont here

[warped kettle]

Ok 👌 🫱

[lofty ocean]

Hm why are you think 🤔 so that

[lofty ocean]

Ohh

[lofty ocean]

Hey do you mean cheap what exactly headphones plugins gear software
Once I know that I can suggest a good budget?

[wet jay]

mousepads

[full hinge]

mousepads are really subjective tbh

I also don't think they matter too much as long as they're in the rough category that you prefer (and dont have any major issues)

[wet jay]

well mine is dirty so my mouse doesnt glide AT ALL

[full hinge]

yeah that's fair, so your pad has a major issue

[wet jay]

yeah...

aint there like a cheap good one? I just need it to glide a good bit

[teal schooner]

Just throw it in the washing machine

[wet jay]

i cba to do allat, its the giant one on the arozzi one with a full table mousepad

[full hinge]

I used the Xraypad Aqua Control Plus or smth and now I use the mpc450 and they are both fine and don't feel much different when playing tbh

[teal schooner]

With your clothes…. Just throw it in

[full hinge]

well, its certainly cheaper than getting a new pad xd

[wet jay]

im good, its so big and i have to remove everything from my table to do so

[teal schooner]

You’d have to do that aswell if you bought a new mouse pad

[wet jay]

how big is xxl in mousepads?

[full hinge]

that depends on the pad

[teal schooner]

Dimensions differ

[full hinge]

it should say the dimensions somewhere

[wet jay]

its much easier, because it doesnt fill up my entire table. I'd have to move everything on my table such as both my monitors, pc etc

[teal schooner]

Measure it out on your desk first, i accidentally bought a mousepad that was twice the size of my desk, why anyone would want a mousepad that big idk

[wet jay]

900 mm width and 400 mm length

is the xxl

https://www.maxgaming.dk/dk/musematter/aqua-control-ii-musematte-sakura-blue-xxl

[teal schooner]

Go grab a tape measure and see what that’d look like on your desk

[wet jay]

I mean im just gonna put it above the one i already have, cuz the one im using rn is still nice for other things but just my mouse and keyboard i'd prefer on another one

[teal schooner]

??

You do you but that’s very odd, and your dirty ahh mousepad is gonna grow a colony of crap

[wet jay]

how long does it take to wash and dry a mousepad

[teal schooner]

It’ll say it on the tag, i usually just throw it in with the washing

[wet jay]

https://webdanes.dk/shop/arozzi-arena-gaming-7481p.html i have this table bro i dont see no tag

[teal schooner]

No on the mouse pad 🤦‍♂️

[wet jay]

yes i know but i dont see no tag on this giant ass mousepad

[teal schooner]

It probably doesn’t matter then, just toss it in with the next washing then leave it out to dry

If you’re really concerned with putting it in your washing machine, just stick it in a tub with some warm water

[wet jay]

thats really not the issue, im just lazy cuz i dont wanna move everything from my table

[wet jay]

https://geekd.dk/products/endgame-gear-mpc-450-cordura-gaming-mousepad-stealth-edition do you know if this is a good one?

[teal schooner]

Bro it’s just a mouse pad, it really doesn’t matter which one you get, like the other guy said, just get a rough one

[dim junco]

can anyone help me with my g29 steering wheel not working

[dapper igloo]

is there any good discount codes rn

[fathom yacht]

consider a pad from Matrova

what exactly are you looking for in a pad?

[wet jay]

glide alot

[wet jay]

like beaulo from r6

[fathom yacht]

actually, I have a copypasta for this

-# Mousepad Questions
-# (Please answer all questions in a single post, use [shift + enter] for your answers)

-# What is your budget and country?
-# Use your local currency.

-# What games do you mainly play?
-# This can massively impact our recommendations. Tac-FPS games like CS2 and Valorant will benefit from different things as compared to games like Apex Legends or The Finals.

-# Any aesthetic or functional requirements?
-# Colour, Size, etc.

-# Speed:
-# Slower or faster: Higher friction (more locked in and controlled) or lower friction (more free/open feeling).

-# Texture:
-# Rougher or smoother - texture you can feel both on your hand and through the mouse skates, more textured can give you better physical feedback so you know how much you're moving if you flick, but texture can also feel unpleasant for some, it's down to personal tolerance and preference.

-# Friction Balance:
-# Higher static vs. higher dynamic friction? Static friction is the resistance to starting movement, while dynamic friction is the resistance while moving. Higher static means slower starts but better stopping power (Control), while higher dynamic means easier starts but a feeling of being "locked-in" or draggy while moving. A low, uniform friction in both categories offers consistent high speed.

-# Pressure:
-# Do you intentionally push the mouse down into the pad to slow it down/gain control or would you rather it be more consistent/firm?

[wet jay]

eh like 50$

R6

Very fast (i ordered a logitech superlight 2c, so something that goes well with that)

im not sure about texture tbh

no clue

eh i dont pad it down, idek what i do

[teal schooner]

I don’t know why you’re over complicating everything so much xd, a mousepad isn’t going to make you ‘like beaulo from R6’

[wet jay]

he asked me buddy

and im already champ in r6 lol, i just want a mouse that can glide properly instead of what ive been used to

[teal schooner]

You’ve been hardstuck plat most seasons, you got champ once in the season ranked 2.0 came out, and absolutely everyone else did 🤦‍♂️

[wet jay]

assuming stuff?

i was champ in 1.0 on my ps4 and then i started playing in 2023 or 2024 on pc

[teal schooner]

Out of curiosity, you seem to have jumped from a 1.3kd hard stuck plat, to a champ in one season… you also got a VAC ban right at the end of that same season. Related?

[wet jay]

what?

i dont have 1.3 kd?

[teal schooner]

🤦‍♂️

[mint halo]

I dont see how this is related to the question of a mousepad rec. no need to dig up info and use it to be disrespectful

or try to

[wet jay]

youre clearly mistaking me for someone else lol i dont have a 1.3 kd

[teal schooner]

Yeah not now, in Y7S4 you were Plat 5 with a 1.33kd, you jumped from that to a champ the next season.

[wet jay]

ive never had a 1.3 kd in plat lol

what is the account called

[teal schooner]

I’m on R6 tracker staring at your acc rn

[flint ibex]

[teal schooner]

It’s your steam-linked R6 account

[flint ibex]

[wet jay]

i dont play on that platform lmfao

[teal schooner]

You were plat 3 on psn…

[wet jay]

if you didnt notice, it says 0 hours btw

[mint halo]

ok. thats enough of trying to demean someone over the r6 rank and kd. move on.

[wet jay]

I never used any of my stieam accounts nor are they connected to any of the r6 accounts ive played on

[mint halo]

move on

[wet jay]

ok

[mint halo]

to the mousepad question, there are youtube videos and other stuff out there that act as an intro to all the different factors when buying one. Id advise looking some of that up and getting an idea on what sounds most like whay you want. ast a certain point you arent going to know if you like something or not unless you try it

[fathom yacht]

matrova vein

assuming by fast you mean glides

with a smooth texture

matrova pads are also customizable without additional fees, including images

[wet jay]

ye

[wet jay]

where are they located?

[fathom yacht]

I recall them being an English company?

Yeah, in Ilford

with Chinese production

there's also like, the Zeffiro if you just want pure speed
but I'd recc vein to test the waters

[wet jay]

okay nice cuz im eu

[fathom yacht]

They ship anywhere either way

[wet jay]

what about mpc, are you familiar with that?

[fathom yacht]

you'll have to select a base material; there should be an image explaining what the differences consist of

[wet jay]

well yeah but it doesnt take as much if its eu

[fathom yacht]

I don't recall endgame pads being particularly decent

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/898380645762486343/1432812103995101205/IMG_5649.jpg?ex=6994c041&is=69936ec1&hm=a90648df8e3c9e92f74c8008bdbe09905a487682ad0f69d86a7fe1f2220f5d23&=&format=webp&width=968&height=1290

would definitely consider a custom image tbh

it's relatively lossless, and the color grading is really good for being a free additional service

[wet jay]

hm alot of people said they are very good

[fathom yacht]

like?

you can find people saying anything is good

even if it's not
mostly because the average consumer is gonna lack a better reference

[wet jay]

eh someone in here and on alot of videoes

[full hinge]

meee

I have the mpc450 and I think it is quite decent

on the internet some people praise certain pads and some people roast the very same pads

[fathom yacht]

objectively, there's minimal reason to get an mpc when matrova pads are available at 1:1 pricing

[full hinge]

bro is paid to shill matrova or smth

[fathom yacht]

one singular mousepad with one predetermined surface/base with one predetermined set of designs

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1465473690274627868/1473096997492887824/image.png?ex=6994f7fd&is=6993a67d&hm=cd921e2a6b00765cd5b48cf426a351bf70751905ddf235dc1e02660bdde0b2b5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=663&height=1283

versus allat

[full hinge]

ah it seems the matrova is more expensive in Europe

[fathom yacht]

there's some relatively garbage matrova surface options, subjectively

[full hinge]

o

which are the good options and which are the bad?

Matrova: Zeffiro good?

[fathom yacht]

I had a list somewhere, one sec

[wet jay]

show me a good one that glides alot

[full hinge]

the zeffiro is fast according to the site and according to reviews on reddit

[fathom yacht]

violet mist/shadow hunt/rascal are kinda

not good

[full hinge]

nyeh?

[fathom yacht]

iirc zeffiro is newer, I actually have nothing on that

[full hinge]

its the only one that says its fast

on the matrova website anyway

[wet jay]

this website is so confusing

i dont understand where i find premade mousepads

[fathom yacht]

What, Matrova?