My hot take today? I’d take Coro over a bunch of other TI tbh

[verbal pelican]

https://youtu.be/gSJZTv0bqdE

[astral stone]

Coroner is a role which requires razor sharp attention but can hard out evils if done right! I remember 1 game the mere EXISTANCE of coro hard fucked with my play and outed me as wildling
It's like, Admirer, i find my obsession n1/n2 a lot and bestow confirmed town but someone who's not keeping track of claims isnt gonna fare well
But Coro imo is better than Sheriff and Psychic.

[clear holly]

wow

coro can also out ench conf plays

like

if im gonna claim vet as ench in CALAM and forge someone as coven and say i was attacked by coven, but coroner autopsies the body and say: “no its killed by enchanter”, they will out me

[astral stone]

talking in sense of AA / non secret killers, bc secret killers buffs the heck out of coro

[clear holly]

indeed

say can you elaborate on your wildling play?

[astral stone]

oh it wasnt anything special rly i tried to hold book for 1 night and pretend i tracked my kill bc It can happen it was like n2 or n3 and i was shrouded into my kill too.

sometimes when i have to bookhold for just 1 night but have no reliable info otherwise i just track the damn kill, it makes me look a little more legit bc a real tracker can happen to track a coven kill

now a coro sawed that open and saw wildling and wildling as shrouded. I knew i had to kill them that night, and I was hard outed, i see a doomsayer trynna win i try help a little. but only 1 single pros noticed.

me whispering the doom ended up making them look sus so my teammate lived

[clear holly]

ah

[verbal pelican]

I’d defo take Coro over Sher and Psy, Spy too tbh

Psy can be good, but it feels very passive, and is prone to skewed results (Ench, Illu, SC)

[astral stone]

My problem with Psy is the results being RNG. You can have your N2 contain anywhere from 3 coven to 1 pirate who doesnt even have town landlubbers anymore. I think Psy needs a rework

My problem with Sher is that in some games/after a certain point far earlier than other TI, Sheriff just cant find anything good. If NK Compliance was added to the game, Sheriff fares better, and also with vamps. But if its a lot of solo evils Sheriff cant find shit.

Spy faces a similar problem but is redeemed by the fact that they're extremely powerful in any conversion mode, Otherwise it quite depends on the enemy set up. I feel that Spy is similar to Retri with the power level ranging anywhere to completely shit to incredibly powerful but all depending on a outside factor you cannot control.

[verbal pelican]

Yeah I only really play All Any, Spy is CRAZY powerful with Vamps / cultist, so when we have TAA weekends Spy shoots up in power forsure. But normally they're colossally MID, main thing they can do is confirm roles like, Arso / PB etc.

Yeah nail on the head with Sheriff, if there's not Coven / a large apoc team, then sher just falls apart. Gets pretty terrible late game because of that, esp as the NE's start filtering out, and some of the Coven die. utterly terrible. Defo think Sheriff needs some love, Investigator used to be really situational, then that first rework was massive, and now with all the "Tresspass / Murder" Invest can be crazy good at carving out evils

Sheriff just falls off so fast, and there's so many evils with detection immunity, or things that screw with his results in general

And yeah Psy just feels like a goddamned spectator, only thing missing that would seal the deal is if Psy had astral visits (Would kinda make sense tbh)
You just spit out random numbers, with a bit of scumreading here and there, so damn easy to fake as an evil too.

Spy, Sheriff, Psy are forsure the TI where I just, groan when I get them most games

Psy just feels like "Oh yay time to regurgitate numbers"
Sheriff is: Can't wait to find one person sus early game, then to be a literal wet noodle late game (Also possibly be accused of being an EXE)
Spy: Eh maybe I'll be able to warn people about and Arso or something. (Or in the case of TAA) FEAR ME VAMPIRES! FEAR ME CULTISTS! I AM YOUR DOOM

[astral stone]

i mean if its a regular AA game but there's Hex, PM, Wildling, Arso (maybe multiple), PB and Baker, maybe even WW, Spy becomes quite powerful

Someone claiming Tracker but a bug went off somewhere with PB/Wildling/WW? Outed evil
Someone was Hexed? They're cleared from being Coven
Someone was VB PM? If this is a hidden non-revealing TPOW you may have just saved their life.
Someone VB PB/Baker? if it's not a Witch game, this person is confirmed not NA.

this info can be valuable af when you need to kill a emerging apoc, prevent a hex bomb, etc. and if you also have a lookout on the same person, easily identify the bug trippers.

[clear holly]

yes

also enchanter does her job badly, instead of framing townies she makes spy trigger their bugs

which confirms them

in AA at least

[round gull]

Coronis better than other TI cuz Coro is a decent role while half of the other TI roles are really bad

It's why I don't enjoy playing TI

[astral stone]

-# Real 1. is Jester

1. Seer
2. Tracker
3. Lookout
4. Invest
5. Spy/Coro
6. Psy
7. Sheriff

Did I forget anything

[clear holly]

you forgot mon

mon best TI (he always knights evils)

[round gull]

I'd swap around invest with Spy/Coro

Also yeah, you forgot mon

[astral stone]

1 - 4. I'm happy to scroll it
5. i acknowledge them as valuable but wouldnt scroll
6. Too RNG
7. I cursed scroll this

[round gull]

Yeah, I also curse scroll sheriff

It's always either innocent every night, or you find someone Sus, they just call you exe then you die

It seriously needs a rework

[heady ginkgo]

ngl spy is may favorite TI role to play as

[verbal pelican]

Hard agree tbh

Seer is just insane, even with the nerfs
Any role that tells you where someone visited is gigga powerful
Invest with Murder / Tress is also really solid, and very effective at pressuring information out of someone

Spy is situational, useful if there are certain roles, PB, HM, Arso for example
I'd personally take Coro over Spy, with Spy edging out in modes with like, Vamps

I think the information Coro gives you on who the CK is, and that if they have a steady stream of bodies they can ramp up pretty fast
I think a late game Coro is better than a late game spy

Literally just RNG

Fuck Sheriff, Just the BG of the TI Role, but to have any impact it requires people to actually believe you