Mages need to be nerfed

[iron bloom]

Hey,

1 mage can outlock 8 people, this should say alot

mage can still be strong, but if a mage is outlocking 5-8 people solo, this is game breaking, not good, or make classes stronger too

[gritty sonnet]

This is CH bro, nerfs don’t happen. CH Neanderthals don’t even know what it means.

Instead we will be seeing +2000 fb rings with the next boss and 50% cd items

On top of 6 more lure sources

[iron bloom]

they need to work on some balancing, mage is best class ingame rn

like wtf, theres this mage called acua, threw 1 fireball at boss, and got lock immediately while were casting skills 1 FIREBALL

and recast is 40%

[crisp yarrow]

You do know about level lock mechanics also?
What did you get out locked on?
What level were your toons and what level was the mage?
What classes were you casting skills on?

[thick drum]

Nah mainly just fire

Bar crom can 0 bosses

And w attune n fb being 14% or some shi faster than ls jus cook any other type of dps caster ._.

Or balance thru accounting for it with newer gear

[iron bloom]

edl boss, 200, i have named axe, godly gear also, the mage has named wand, 1 fireball got her lock

5 star

[old creek]

Ur a warr lol ur not locking anywhere

[crisp yarrow]

And the fact mages carry the lure and warrior doesn’t 😂

[old creek]

Shatters good enough for the stuff hes killing, its just that pummels got nothing on fb

[crisp yarrow]

Forgot about shatter, if it didn’t miss, this dude though he brags when he out locks people, then complains it’s unfair here when doesn’t also

[iron bloom]

Its not that, mages are like best for locking, why is that the case? how does 1 fireball get lock

unbalanced

[old creek]

lock penalty needs an overhaul lol, it wasnt designed with the powercreep valley brought in

[crisp yarrow]

Rogue could outlock mage still even in tower on imp,
range is an advantage also though they can blast from range you have to run in, then interrupts from adds also.
Sometimes you win locks sometimes you lose,
Solo won’t outlock 6* but 4-5* can.

[shell bear]

Weren’t rogues the meta for locking for like the first decade of CH while mages were glorified lure slaves ? Now it’s flipped and rogues glorified expose slaves and people crying left and right . Warriors always been dookie for locks tho so ig they’re the ones who’ve been crying the most consistently 😂

[iron bloom]

false

if you put rogue against mage, mage wil get lock

[crisp yarrow]

If I remember right kroth the 200 you mentioned is less resistant to pierce than fire. But anyway you’re a warrior and it’s not false,
Rogues can rotate a solid set of skills with high dps compared to a mages fb for a quick lock, mage also have to lure first)

Don’t get me wrong rogues need fixed to be better, but on a 200 Kroth 5* for lock my money is still on rogue

[iron bloom]

you clearly havent seen how op mage is

rogues are trash nowadays

[crisp yarrow]

In valley yes rogues do suck and badly, and also against caster focused bosses
but you’re talking about a 5* 200 edl,

This post is after the fact of you bragging about out locking a group of mages previously,
Can’t have it both ways.

Mages are op blast damage, you’re a warrior, survivability vs blast damage,

[iron bloom]

thats what im saying, a mage with top notch gear is too op

rogue wont outlock, rogue will take longer to cast skills, mage only has to throw 1 fireball and lock is his

[crisp yarrow]

Have you played rogue? 😂😂

[iron bloom]

yes

its not that good anymore

nowadays mages are better than rogues eg

if I switch swordwar, i will pose proper challenge, but either way, rogues suck at 1v1 locking

[crisp yarrow]

Qs insta cast, ss instant cast, flip riposte on soon as qs hits, quickest double attack easily,
Rogues rotation for lock is faster than any class

[iron bloom]

all that takes 3-4 seconds. and he still has to cast skills

mage can just spam fireball with 40% recast

and its done

[crisp yarrow]

By time mage has cast lure rogue has a rotation out

[iron bloom]

its unbalanced

[crisp yarrow]

It is unbalanced yes I agree, but rogue still outlocks a mage at target

[iron bloom]

no

come to epona i will show you

[crisp yarrow]

That says it all

[iron bloom]

i remember being a noob at 165, with full group of 8, and this acua mage comes and outlocks with 4 fireballs

mages are too op

[winter cloud]

You’re talking about genuinely one of the best mages in the game. Acua is going to struggle to outlock an evenly geared rogue.

If you want to try an actual fair comparison then go against someone at your skill level

[iron bloom]

Its not about being the best mage ingame

i can hoard best warrior gear ingame and she can still do 1 fireball and lock

this is unbalanced

on the other hand, this can depend on boss, but still i believe mages need to be nerfed, 20k fireballs every 1.8 seconds is not balanced

[thorn dove]

Buy urself a nm Armour steed and with that ur fine 🙂 for any of those 5 stars

[iron bloom]

i have spirit both

doesnt help

[shut dome]

true mage need nerf

[shut dome]

make mage new history!

[nova pine]

Just think of it as a challenge , I don’t think mages need nerfed. It’s nice to see them do great .

[iron bloom]

no wonder, if i was mage main ofcourse id like not to be nerfed

[nova pine]

Good thing I’m warrior main 😈

[thorn dove]

If his lure brings that cute 5 star to 0 fire u benefit anyway off ur dg Armour
Just use a fire va ring when hes arojnd🤣

Ur shatter and t3 mount should already be good enough as is tho but what am I to say to the best dps Axe war in game from the great epona server who doesnt use any swaps

[thick drum]

😭😭😭

Epona = most skilled server no 🧢 @thorn dove

[gritty sonnet]

Yes. OTM broke rogues with shadowstrike then decided to break casters next lol

They had no f’in clue how to balance CH. They just buffed everything

[unborn gull]

Warriors absolutely destroy locks on everything except for Prot

[thick drum]

Have u ever gone to a bt or dino?

[unborn gull]

Lmfao forgot those existed tbh

But I have seen wars decimate at bt and be top damage

Dhino yea never lol

At gele and mani warriors can easily dominate

Prot too if he didn’t have a slowing effect lol

[thick drum]

Show me a melee from ur server doin 200+ gele

Cos mages can do that ._.

(3333.3 dps)

[crisp yarrow]

Believe that’s 3550, 3503 and 3340 top 3 on a single gele,
not sure if any are highest but all above not including the .+

[thorn dove]

Last raid all of us made it together

😭🤣

[old creek]

Rose got highest pb with a 4k, but yeah mages don't need nearly as much setup to hit 3k+ dps

[nova pine]

Just imagine if melee had cunning/ranged/melee combat in there DG. Our skills might actually be worth casting

[lost plaza]

1.8 seconds lol that would be 33 cast a min 🤦 with 40 fb cd its closer to 13 cast a min mages are op your not wrong in that. But I have a decent fire mage and was getting out locked during bt th event all day against rouges and if the war was close with a haste popped he would have a shatter and pummel off before me in the same time it took me to cast a lure. And those treasure adds have enough resist that without using ph skill then fb chances are you wont hit hard enough to out lock the comp. An i currently hit 35-36k fb so i don’t have noob gear. Idk exact cast times but im positive that shadow strike hits quicker than fb idk about pummel

[gritty sonnet]

The fact people 👎 this tells u all u need to know about CH players

Willing to keep ch eg in the toilet bowl so all 15 of the players on their server can enjoy a power trip 😂

Fire mages are way too OP, fb is way too OP. Everyone knows this

Fb is the modern day shadow strike, without the massive resists like poison got as a sorry attempt to nerf rogues

[thick drum]

This was more ma point, not sure how consistent you guys are ( nice pbs ) but we now got a mage doin 160-200 every raid with minimal effort , n 160-197 dinos easily

[crisp yarrow]

Was more about lock than overall damage, mages are supposed to be high output though.

[iron bloom]

its like tooo high

[crisp yarrow]

Did you not just see the warriors damage above on gele?

Mages rogues and rangers theoretically should be higher than they are, but you have a chip about mages because one beat you, apparently a top tier mage to your mid tier warrior.
Make a mage and then try, see how you fair.

[thick drum]

I will say idk how consistent ur warrs are, we got 4 melee who’ve all done 200+ highest being 240, but required more effort. We got a mage consistently beating him on gele now

[iron bloom]

named axe, dg, godly ammy godly misc, imp axe bands

[old creek]

[iron bloom]

2 guilt banis

if 1 mage beats this with 1 fireball, lol..

[old creek]

That's an easy win for a mage as geared as acua

[iron bloom]

ya thats why its unbalanced, hence this suggestion

[crisp yarrow]

Mages are supposed to beat warriors in dps and burst damage, mages substitute armour and survivability for burst damage,
You’re a warrior and you want top dps top armour and top survivability 😂😂

[old creek]

Agree with most stuff but that's a 2015 kinda dated take. Warriors are a proper dps class

[crisp yarrow]

I’m not saying not dps also, but I meant compared to mages they just shouldn’t be as high in dps due to the armour stat trade off for survival,
There should be some trade off

[old creek]

There is lol, they don't get their main dps skill as dd on DG or on their OH, and the OH is 10 phys weaker than other melee dps

[crisp yarrow]

Warriors are imo best melee atm

[old creek]

That's just cuz a good rogue hasnt tried yet. Rogues beat warrs everywhere they shine at, plus warrs need 3 phys lures(2 with hammer or spear) to compete on an equal footing

[crisp yarrow]

Rogues have it rough atm fr though, was great but now just get wrecked, still easily the best skill rotation though, rangers luckily have range but skill set sucks badly.

[old creek]

Give @thorn dove A semi decent rogue maybe you'll jump off the warr hate bandwagon and jump on the rogue one 😂

[crisp yarrow]

I’m going to work on a war I don’t hate, I adapt 😂😂

I put rogues on ice for now though but have them when I feel ready.

[thick drum]

Fr druid dps gon b cooked everywhere bar crom vs mage if servers just lapped with competence too

[thorn dove]

Fr era of druids only will come to a end if mages time their debuffs

Already over for u tho 🙏

[old creek]

Era of warrs gonna end when a rogue finally decides to tryhard too

[thorn dove]

Facts

[fading rock]

He has dl armor

[iron bloom]

Tell me seapilot, how do you pilot the sea?

[fading rock]

Literally a maritime pilot

[iron bloom]

Nope

You cant pilot the sea

He is piloting the sea

[fading rock]

ur not real

[iron bloom]

bro, im clrearly trolling you

[white matrix]

Fire mages op, but to use 200 5* edl as the reason as to why fire mages need a nerf is a joke lel

I’d have more faith in deca buffing other classes (include ice mages) than them nerfing fire mage to the ground and fire mains quitting

[gritty sonnet]

Quitting over what would be a standard mmorpg balance change would be peak CH player logic

[gritty sonnet]

[white matrix]

Same guy suggesting fundamentally changing what ch currently is to instances that will magically fix the current issues 🤝

[shut dome]

7 out of 7 damm

8 out of 8 now

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-crying-monkey-losing-it-hands-over-head-gif-16467110109053699390

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-yeah-im-out-yea-im-out-im-outta-here-bue-gif-13434389164490577369

[gritty sonnet]

Mind blowing to see how common sense and logical suggestions break the minds of CH players. CH players are 90% to blame for the games current state, 10% of it is the devs actually listening

CH players are directly the ones to blame for bt and dhio gear which is the direct cause of making casters absolutely busted

“We need direct upgrades” they all said

Bt bands, cd gear, dd gear, etc… all direct upgrades from old raid/legacy gear which was already very strong.

But sure let’s give fb and ls a 40% cd reduction 😂

But wait, a 40% ring wasn’t enough. Let’s also give them a 40% cd wand to free up a ring slot 😂

[versed lava]

Mages fb 20k every 3.9s
Melee auto 10-15k every 1.1-1.2s

If you disagree with melee doing 10k/1.1s your either arguing against resist or showing you getting gapped

[terse jacinth]

y’all need to calm your egos and stop lb camping, its making yall look dumb 💀

[gritty sonnet]

Everyone is OP af, it’s obvious with how easily and quickly all bosses die

Some are just more OP than others but there’s no such thing as a weak class

Once upon a time people were crying about how ice blast could hit for 10k dmg. And funnily enough the only nerf to ever hit ch was to ice blast lol

Not long after fb and ls were changed to insta cast skills (they used to have a cast time), and then OTM had the bright idea of 40% cd, now here we are

[gloomy spire]

Why is it that people who have never really played eg and have no knowledge about the game fundamentals have the most characters typed on this discord with all kinds of suggestions that are either stupid or based on their personal gain?

[thick drum]

Who r u

[gritty sonnet]

Fr

“Never really played eg”, bros tryna pretend ch eg is the peak of gaming 😂

Real ch eg is camping a boss for 15 hours for a 5 minute fight

Cause everyone is over the top OP, dying isn’t punishing, and the game is so basic you can use macros to kill raids or multi log 5 toons.

But let’s all be entertained when the ppl who give 👎 come back to question why everyone gets bored playing ch 💀

[thick drum]

Idk

I think it’s enjoyable killing bosses either u have comp or u push pbs

Most people have good gear but clearly can’t use it

[gritty sonnet]

I don’t think it’s enjoyable it’s more of a chore with how often bosses die. You go for attends/dkp, and since bosses spawn so often you can fall behind fast if you aren’t extremely active hence why burnout is also extremely bad at eg

Raid bosses spawn many times a week, you camp them all just to insta delete them cause the game is so easy lol

Casters being as strong as they are right now certainly doesn’t help. Dare give a boss an ounce of a weaker elemental resist and casters will eat it for lunch. Not like it matters anyways with the 4 different lure sources.

Op af lures, Druids are way overtuned, fire mages are way overturned, ice mages are more balanced but still can dish out insane dps relative to boss HP. Same deal for melees, including ranger

Manikin release I think was the best example of this nonsense. It took servers no time whatsoever to start killing it in around 10mins. Without manikin gear

[thick drum]

Do you actually play these toons eg?

Bar a dot druid Druids r rlly bad compared to mages since the release of steeds grims etc

Melee if using necro gear supp dag, armour steeds etc can also get stuff to 0 w crom weps n shatter , just about being and playing smart, which if you chose to do as a server suggests the boss should be easier ?

[gritty sonnet]

I’ve seen Druids casually beat fire mages at bt and at prot

Dhio is a given

Now ofc that’s without everyone having BIS gear, it was inside the realm of comp

But if there’s no comp than it really doesn’t matter, if you got a group of players with near BIS gear it doesnt matter who does more dmg when the boss dies in 5minutes 😂

When bosses are dying insanely fast DoTs are losing insane dps

It’s the same deal with rangers. We do alright in longer fights, but since fights are always so f’in short our lack of high burst dps makes us feel useless compared to rogues or warriors

[thick drum]

No - if mages lap debuffs they r literally 30-40% better thats just poor skill lmao

If a boss dies in any amount of time so dots can tick it doesn’t affect dps - just tell me u don’t understand dmg / sec

Yeh granted if the raid is 5 seconds long fire mages gna look broken cos just lure n shards / fb is enough before other classes can cast

But dps only rlly drops on things like dino for longer raids cos there’s more orbs to dodge , if Sui is bad more chance of Sui messing up etc

[thick drum]

Yuh but I mean a lot of people enjoy tryna max their own dps in the absence of comp

[gritty sonnet]

Idk maybe ur Druids r just bad

For the longest time on Belenus Druids were the top players. Maybe not the case now cause all the 🐐 Druids quit the game

Simply couldn’t beat a Druid who kept vines/bees up unless if it was a quick fight, which is usually the case

But like I said, if a boss is dying insanely quick it doesnt matter who’s doing more dps

Cause it’s not like you’re trying to maximize dps to beat a rage timer

Like how it was in the old days

[old creek]

This is just factually incorrect how's a class that's got a 15 second window of buffed divine skills/attacks not doing more burst than warrs lol

Rogues I agree, but don't let the ever prevalent ranger cope devalue your other arguments

[gritty sonnet]

Meh for a lock fight rangers maybe better for quiver double shot

[old creek]

They're better burst in general

[gritty sonnet]

After quiver skill ends the dps falls off a cliff

Warrior can get better consistent dmg

Shatter, pummel, double, rupture. Bing bang bong

Cd, repeat

[old creek]

Yes, thats the exact opposite of burst dmg. Warrs do great over the course of a raid

[gritty sonnet]

Rangers just gotta pray their skills cd just as shatter goes up

Feels like rng

[gritty sonnet]

Tbh I wasn’t talkin about lock fights, was talkin about boss fights in their entirety

Shorter boss fights

Warrior clears Ranger

Rangers are great for prot locks sure 😂

Cause prot locks in literally 5 seconds

If it’s base

Gele lock fights it doesn’t matter, shield goes up half the time f’ing over rangers

[old creek]

That's what their kit revolves around lol, the highest dps/dpm has been done by a ranger too, with no caster class coming close

At prot ^

[old creek]

Shields irrelevant if u got a fissure or 2 for lock

[gritty sonnet]

Don’t forget prot is at the bottom of the ch boss toilet bowl

Where all the dookie sinks to

Rangers are there to gobble it up

[old creek]

Rangers do pretty well at crom too, not arguing that rangers don't got the best kit but they got bosses they shine at

[gritty sonnet]

Sometimes it breaks sometimes it doesn’t. Gele lock fights are a mess usually. Jump in early, eye is left up, shield popping off

[iron bloom]

druids are best class ingame

[thick drum]

Can assure you this isn’t the case if anything I’d argue most other mages r bad n just don’t handle debuffs well

We got a fire mage as top 5 player across game now for Dino , top 1 bt, top 6 gele just cos we stagger

Maybe top 4 player on dino not 5 *

And that’s with comparatively worse gear than 2 of the Druids on dino ( not knocking skill / tank issues ) but mages r fundamentally the superior class, and dps accounts for raid time

[thick drum]

There is literally a dmg calculator which shows how wrong you are 😭

Just say you don’t do egb anymore n move on

[gritty sonnet]

Dmg calculators are bs, it only gives you theoretical numbers

CH combat is extremely rng based

Ur Druids r just bad, its okay tho

[thick drum]

Show me the Druids ur on about ._.

[gritty sonnet]

Boss will still die in 10mins

[thick drum]

There’s a literal lb

[gritty sonnet]

They all got bored and quit

[thick drum]

😭

This guy

[gloomy spire]

Lkills just keeps on giving

[gritty sonnet]

Current dom clan Druids don’t even come close to the druids we had

[thick drum]

Show me these Druids

Absolute cap they’re better than aspire or Seapilot

[gritty sonnet]

Ur blind af

They don’t wanna play this trash game

Meaning they haven’t been active in over a year

Cause ch eg is boring

[thick drum]

Trash fr

[gritty sonnet]

Not even VoA brought them back

[thick drum]

Idk

If you can’t accept the class diff

Which is just a fact

[gritty sonnet]

Came to see the new zone for like a week and then dipped again

[thick drum]

It’s pointless tryna argue w someone who doesn’t do egb anymore 😭

Washed

[gritty sonnet]

No sht, cause some of us are smart enough to stop eating sht instead of being sht eaters 😂

CH players are professional Dung Eaters

[white matrix]

Living on ch discord without actually playing ch is arguably worse

[gritty sonnet]

Bros tryna compare sending a message to playing CH 😂

CH players try to cope and make sense of the tragedy they r in. Tragic

Do not fear, Ins Corp. will make your life experience 10x better

[coarse mirage]

I’d still say Druids on top of all classes. Can be tanky, heal themselves, number 1 dps at all bosses, debuff with winds too

Best looking dg set too

[thorn dove]

Better timed debuffs each server has worse n worse druid is

[thick drum]

Defo ain’t number 1 dps at all bosses - needa sort ur other people out lmao

[coarse mirage]

Can be breh not always

[thick drum]

On anything bar bt

It’s a complete lack of skill

Bar dino* sorry

[gritty sonnet]

Not all Druids were created equal. I ain’t saying mages aren’t OP cause they most certainly are, but Druids are also a problem 😂

Druid gets all the benefits a fire mage gets but with better DoTs

With swapping being so overpowered nowadays it’s not hard to get very good mlures up

Plus yeah Druids also get all the buffs and heals in the world that mages don’t get which again is made even worse by overpowered hot swaps. Probably the most overall broken class, even more so than warriors

[thick drum]

In dmg - they r 40% worse off - granted before steeds n dino grims the offhand actually was useful but now you can 0 bosses without it so if casters r sensible they’re on a level playing field where mage dmg is again around 30-40% better for equal gear ( same tier invo as transmu etc )

Melee with crom weps necro dags etc can also 0 bosses phys resists. Refer to highest dps on any boss - its rangers by about 100k/min compared to highest dmg/min on a bt etc

Dot Druids also doesn’t rlly exist in the sense that there’s only 1 druid who benefits - the rest r made redundant

Full bis set up, fb gets more dd than ls, and is 14% faster, without accounting for dd from attune - it is so simple to understand

[shut dome]

9 is wild

[gritty sonnet]

I feel like ur pulling your numbers entirely from a calculator inside of a vacuum with no other variables lol

Whereas the reality is that with all variables included Druid is better

[thorn dove]

LKills copium

[gritty sonnet]

If that’s copium then I’d like to know what kinda chems ur all on 😂

Mages and Druids need nerfs

Simple as that

Facts r facts

[thorn dove]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-copium-od-copium-overdose-overdose-twitch-gif-9006779378751968406

[gritty sonnet]

Bro can’t be coming over here tryna project overpowered mages without mentioning his own class 💀

[gritty sonnet]

Ins Corp. produces copium yes, we distribute it to CH players who try to cope with the game they’re still playing

At Ins Corp. we strive to make an enjoyable experience for all while keeping the others high to satisfy their copium needs

[thick drum]

Honestly the calc literally accounts for resists n dmg drop off - the only vacuum u clearly referring to is lack of skill

[crisp yarrow]

Class system is unbalanced we can all agree on that much,
It’s not just one class being better than others and that’s the issue,
It’s has gotten to a point where the lines of roles have become so blurred that everything is becoming full on high dps,

With a few individual supporting roles,

[shut dome]

mage is new cult

https://tenor.com/view/d%26d-neckbeard-beard-dungeons-%26-dragons-world-of-warcraft-gif-10576368496366994374

new wizard

im proud

[lost plaza]

This is my thought I don’t remember asking Deca to buff Phoenix and give us a mount that add 700 lure I’m sure if there was a lvl 230 dummy meele would out kill us on it all day long, my point is that I don’t think that mages are that much better it’s just we can get almost every boss very close if not to 0 even rn I don’t think I would win a lock on the obelisk in ow against a same geared/skill lvl rouge blaming us as being to op because game let’s us get resist to 0 is not a gear issue it’s Deca allowed that. If every boss had manis resist to fire and we did the worst dps i wouldn’t hear anyone running their mouth the balance of classes could legit be fixed by resist.

[gritty sonnet]

It’s more than just the resists. OTM nerfed ice blast in 2013 and then buffed fb significantly by taking away its cast time

They then created fb cd gear significantly better than the emberdrake misc

Combine all that with the insane amounts of dd gear given in recent boss expansions

I’ll just straight up say it, mages and casters in general did not need bt gear onwards. Bt release, before the influx of bt gear, was the most balanced the game has ever been and probably ever will be

Idk what they were thinking with BT/dhio gear. Completely butchered eg balance

For those of you who didn’t get to play pre bt gear era as a mage, it was pretty balanced and fun. Even with a 20% emberdrake misc mages were eating good

Now the only option they rlly have is to give FB and LS their cast times back. Lowers the power of those skills while also helping ice mages out

[fading rock]

Ur living in the past if you say to nerf druid

[old creek]

Nerf landsailor

[versed lava]

Sounding like an old homeless guy npc now

"Back in my day these youngings knew the value of hard work. Now its all given to them!!!!!! When our ai overlords enslave us you'll see"

[gritty sonnet]

Sometimes u gotta look at the past to solve modern day problems, but I wouldn’t expect CH player to possess such problem solving skills

Unga bunga kill every raid in 5min amiright

[gritty sonnet]

Na it’s just all the good ones quit

Srry

Ins Corp. is working diligently to bring them back

[fading rock]

@thorn dove

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[thorn dove]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-baby-laugh-laughing-laughter-gif-1709822885128234290

[old creek]

He's not wrong

[gritty sonnet]

Ins Corp. is undergoing an operation to bring them all back

[gritty sonnet]

Sometimes to make positive change u gotta fight through a crowd of angry liberals, but we remain determined in our mission

[old creek]

This mf got all the receipts 😭

[thick drum]

Aren’t u also talking bout times before melee could use 192( if perf? ) food ? Have armour drop weps, n steeds ?

[gritty sonnet]

Bro I could go on a whole different rant about how fakin dumb dmg food is

[iron bloom]

tbh dmg food is good, but fireball is more op

how is it possible

bro?

are we gay?

are you gay?

[gritty sonnet]

To sum it all up, OTM had no fakin idea what they were doing and were listening to the wrong ppl

[iron bloom]

are they gay?

[iron bloom]

make me a sandwich pls

im hungry

i want some wagju and ribs

ok?

order for me

[gritty sonnet]

Idk bro how is it possible for a cake u bake in an oven to double ur weapon dmg

[iron bloom]

more energy

u can give it a better swing

yk?

[gritty sonnet]

Needing a perf bara for literally every single lock fight made me wanna kms

[iron bloom]

want me to help you?

[versed lava]

Do it then

[iron bloom]

shall we help him?

or no?

[versed lava]

In game*

[iron bloom]

im going to buy something

im so hungry

omg

I NEEED FOOD

OMG

watch this edit, until i come back

put it in loop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjusT6QI7Cs&list=LL&index=10

[gritty sonnet]

I can’t I’m unkillable

CEOs are built different

[iron bloom]

did you put te edit on loop as i said?

[gritty sonnet]

No I put on clash royale laughing emote loop 10hrs

[tired ocean]

nerf ice mages

make ice blast take 20% more cd

and give ice variants of mage equipment less ability stat than the fire one

[whole pollen]

My qs almost hits as hard as a fire bolt

[cold thistle]

Yes, compare it with the same gear. I haven't tried competing against it in EDL bosses, but Rogues remains the best because it's faster

[proven gale]

Rogues Remain the best locker for 4 and 5* mobs. But at Raids they arent locking anything. Rogues sadly just suffering on anything post carrowmore really with how resistance increase really hurt rogue more then other classes since they rely on lots of smaller hits.

[cold thistle]

prot gele dino mani they are the best for lock in raid only bt they are bad

I'm talking about a rogue equipped with godly and imper and with named

[versed lava]

Betting on rogues for dhio lock is nefarious

[cold thistle]

but at mani sometime overcomes ice mages

[versed lava]

They kill themselves at start cuz orb spawn on them
They die instantly to troll boom
They resurrect and get ne again
Gg lock vs caster stand back and spam lol

[cold thistle]

I don't know how long the fighting lasts on your server

[versed lava]

O rite ur epona
Where the hp/time/mechanics of a 6s raid boss is comparable to all other server 5s cuz zerg

[proven gale]

there is no fight on Crom where Rogues stand a chance against casters. Prot sometimes yes

[proven gale]

whats your gear.

[cold thistle]

We are talking about the same equipment

[proven gale]

kinda doubt

[cold thistle]

Why

[cold thistle]

I don't know if you have good rogues on your server or not , Don't judge if you haven't experienced it

[proven gale]

we dont have the gear to have good rogues

[cold thistle]

I am convinced rogues the best at mani

[cold thistle]

For lock

[proven gale]

maybe it is. but all 5 of the top rogues would have to unretire and combine their gear to compare what other classes on crom have

[thorn dove]

If ur server not killing blue rock on mani asap that alone nerfs the melees hard asf

We have yet to have rogue compete on mani properly as hes usualy our mt

[proven gale]

most of the EG rogues on crom retired. Zedzio, Birdsrogue, Whiterogue, Luvdeninja, and myself all retired grinding 5+ years without drops

[thorn dove]

I dont thinks its beating 25-34k up to 65k crits ice shards tho dont get me wrong rogues r good just not the absolute best
In mani melee are dependent on if the blue rock dies fast or not + ur lures

Rogues are definitely super strong on gele and prot tho

[crisp yarrow]

None too many want to bring rogue to max dg over other classes that are now more versatile overall, and just as capable dps wise,
They bring less to the table to be worth

[cold thistle]

It speaks of luck if luck is on your side, you will always be the best lol

[cold thistle]

I said with lures

[cold thistle]

Your opinion , I respect it

[crisp yarrow]

I loved playing rogue was always my go to, but just not wanted unless for expo over other options, bt no point, dino expo only, prot and gele yeah, crom i think other melee or caster just a more reliable option, squishy rogues

[gritty sonnet]

Rogues r great at gele. Instead of nerfing poison dmg into the ground they shoulda just nerfed shadow strikes versatility. Ss and poison is why rogues were so dominant

Giving rogues 2 insta cast high damaging skills was nuts

[crisp yarrow]

For lock still would rein over equally geared where melee suitable but they’ve fallen off for most part, best skill set by far though, most fun rotation.
Valley can be rough though solo rogue so that leads into the extra required to max out.

[crisp yarrow]

Ss always missed on bosses it’s not even a thing, qs double and sneaky were always better

[gritty sonnet]

Ye cause ss is a different type of evasion

Movement I think

Which bosses have natural high resistances to I think

[crisp yarrow]

Poison resist started big time with necro long before tower

[gritty sonnet]

They could just reduce poison resists on everything, change ss evasion type, and then make SS a non insta cast skill but still very fast

[crisp yarrow]

Just make a warrior, keep surviving and swinging, that’s what it is now

[gritty sonnet]

Cause I’m sure nobody wants to see rogues go back into the meta lol. The rogue meta during the carrow days was worse than the current caster meta

[crisp yarrow]

Can’t stab with a dead rogue hanging on by a thread all the time

[gritty sonnet]

So u gotta keep SS in check some how while not making it entirely garbage

[crisp yarrow]

Mages are supposed to be high burst damage it fits their role.

[gritty sonnet]

Warriors have always been a good all around class. Warrior was meta pre carrow but not too terribly OP, kinda the same as rn post cg offhand

[crisp yarrow]

All classes are good, just seems they’re stretching beyond defined class roles currently.

[gritty sonnet]

Warriors biggest flaw is they have such great weapon variety but everyone gets funneled into sword builds lol

[proven gale]

I have always been of thought that Shadow Strike needed a Rework. make it magic dmg or physical damage whatever. you could change it being movement attack but nerf dmg.

but the Idea of Poison Damage as it was in 2013 was a complete system failure having it be limited to 1 class.

I do also think Poison Weapons getting a rework to be instant cast would go soooo far to help the class.

or have same cast time as sharpen

[tired ocean]

mage is better lock at prot than rogue

better than ranger too if pierce is being lame lapped

but melee always gonna lose dps with rotors

[cold thistle]

This is my gear

[cold thistle]

ofc with named brace and godly rings

[proven gale]

ye you got betyer gear then every rogue on my server combined

we got only 1 trash hellforged dagger, only 1 godly fero on server and I dont think we have a named dio ammy unless multiple peoples were combind.

I have only named shadow ammy

[gritty sonnet]

How does crom not have a high tier rogue in 2026 lol

Seeing a player with godlies is so common now, even Epona has players with BiS

💀

[tired ocean]

even bigfloyd has a imp bt helm

[gritty sonnet]

Yeah bro this game is cooked

[cold thistle]

we only 5 godly bands many servers have less

[gritty sonnet]

Na there’s def more I used to play there years ago and even then I saw godly

They’re common enough for players to get their hands on 4 at once

CH gear has gotten so diluted that there’s really nothing anymore that looks impressive, that makes u say “damn that must be a true gamer”

Named weps everywhere, mani weps everywhere, toons walking around with all godly gear. On belenus people casually sell void gele weps and dhio weps lol

Prob the closest thing is a godly divine ring, only reserved for the most dedicated gamers

[tired ocean]

js dupe lol

[gritty sonnet]

Fr

How many ppl got away with dupes

[tired ocean]

so many ppl profited off the cjest dupe glitch a few years ago

never paid anyone back

i could expose all of tara

[gritty sonnet]

Yeah I remember that

It was bs

[tired ocean]

i did it early i was so happy i thought i was gonna keep everything

[gritty sonnet]

That dupe made my best ingame friend quit

[tired ocean]

even bought a bt helm with gold i got from chests before anyone knew bout the dupe

but got rolled back 😢

[gritty sonnet]

Ch in a nut shell

[cold thistle]

I mean only fero

[buoyant sandal]

I dont agree with nerfing anything in the game it already done damage to game experience then it got nerfed, also my account was rolled back and I just quit the game for years then played again and they rolled back it again

Grind of 80+ milions and 6 high level 223+ level charackters erased by rollbacks.

[buoyant sandal]

Dude share with others!

[whole pollen]

That’s decent

[whole pollen]

Low Kills duh

[whole pollen]

Rip gwyd rng

[shut dome]

You know I kinda like mage are no fix but the game so broken

Low quality but im happy with it

[buoyant sandal]

cooldowns should be fixed

@shut dome I have a tip for you to fix this game but hop on private chat ill tell you

[shut dome]

I know nothing from the game

[buoyant sandal]

I know all class all level bosses and drops until 235

even how to easy level

[shut dome]

Good to know

[buoyant sandal]

my friend is youtuber posts guides to

I had retired from game years ago, but was still looking up whats new time from time

[shut dome]

I wish find me ch relate game

[buoyant sandal]

Giving feedback ingame support and seeing that it is fullfilled

Throne and liberty is closest you can get

I think best if you host or play dnd you can play story like that

[shut dome]

I'll try see this game

[buoyant sandal]

@shut dome if you play ch on pc let me know

[shut dome]

I dont play ch on pc anymore got bored of it

[buoyant sandal]

You need community its all the point of the game it is borring alone

[shut dome]

Yea

[buoyant sandal]

i log weekends mostly

unfortunatelly doing a lot of fishing most of the time

[shut dome]

Fishing best gold

[buoyant sandal]

selling drops and other items best gold

I had been resseling for almost 100milion gold in few years

[floral moon]

Cause you’re trash not swapping noob

And brain dead it seems. Rogues still op for lock they didn’t get nerfed they just weak in valley

[buoyant sandal]

Rogue was always week without perfect grade gear or lixes, but with gear they are good.

[iron bloom]

wheres a yt tutorial on swapping

whats the best swaps for eg war

[floral moon]

If you get good swaps I’ll teach you how to swap

[iron bloom]

WHAT SWAPS

TELL ME

[gritty sonnet]

How to hot swap in ch:

1. Turn off brain
2. Tap buttons in an automated order
3. Ignore all boss mechanics, keep brain turned off, and spam those buttons for maximum dps
4. Log off and admire how good you are at standing still tapping buttons
5. Tell everyone else how good you are at standing still tapping buttons

[crisp yarrow]

Remove number 3 and it’s you on discord 😂😂😂

[gritty sonnet]

You’re damn right. Rather be tapping on a single discord server than playing trash video games

[iron bloom]

bro i logged into this swordfighting game after a week playing celtic heroe

i was best player there, now i got 25-5'ed by a random player

maybe ive lost braincells playing this game

all the castle camping, all the button smashing destroyed my gaming skills xD

[gritty sonnet]

Reasons why CH will never be a good mmorpg

Our only hope

[iron bloom]

Thats just epona players

they all hate me

cuz i have big balls and carrot to dom them

[unborn gull]

Some people on that list literally agree with you on everything else. The hypocrisy is wild to say they want the game to be better then go back on it in a heart beat

[tired ocean]

tjet dhould add guns to ch