Tank drops for Crom are trash

[shadow knoll]

Why is the only viable tank drop from Crom the misc? The others might as well be vendor items.

[stuck lynx]

It’s because the wrong peoples voices got heard and ruined actual upgrades .

[shadow knoll]

Will there be better tank drops with the new variants? No tank weps, trash tank bracers, nothing but a lousy misc. Seriously, at least add resists and def to bracer. Lame as all get out.

[stuck lynx]

Get the t4 vendor bracer , it’s at least useful 😫

[shadow knoll]

I have a godly prot bracer. I still use it over the others. Haven’t gotten the safeguard bracer

[stuck lynx]

Not sure what they have in mind for rings , get your popcorn

[shadow knoll]

Won’t be better than my godly bands I’m sure

[stuck lynx]

T4 faction vendor bracer has lower defense but resist, sw heal and energy regen with more HP then Prot . So if you got room to give up def get one

[shadow knoll]

🤷🏻‍♂️ I’m like a sliver away from t4 on my tank. Don’t know if I’ll get one or not. They haven’t been very good in the lower tiers. I hit swap a lot so I swap the other bracer for sw, taunt, bw, and bash. My war is multi purpose for the most part. I have dps gear that I use for grinding

[stuck lynx]

Most of the gear that warriors got in general are badly stat for sure

[shadow knoll]

Indeed

[unborn leaf]

What is the actual suggestion for the game

This is just a complaint

[shadow knoll]

The suggestion is “do better.” I’ve made “suggestions” until I was blue in the face. The only thing I got them to change was Tank dg aura. Also if you look at my comment I made a suggestion for the tank bracer. Add resists and def. Make it a perma bracer instead of a vendor item.

[shadow knoll]

I make suggestions when they actually want to hear them. Which is rare. If they actually read the comments on posts they would have already known about how trash the war gear is from Crom.

[stuck lynx]

Look at gear from proteus , like there azure shield bracer and expand from it . There core stats are dex/vit and a massive boost to defense (600-800ish)

So you could have something similar like dex/vit/defense , with resist or effect. Maybe chaos resist ? Something a little different but not worse then current bracer.

Even the crom misc for tank is missing dex or resists which hurt big time compared to Bloodthorn misc

On accident I think they made a great bracer from the Vally 5 stars buts it’s not from a “raid” boss

[shadow knoll]

Ya, they made it with no stats which is fine. I figured the Crom brace would have been similar but with a stat boost. Even if they had made two variants of it with one giving stat boost plus resists and the other giving stat boost plus effect. There are 4 dps bracers and only one tank bracer. Make it make sense.

[stuck lynx]

Even the dps bracers lack elemental dmg to even make them worth while . Boss wise gelebron bracer are better

[waxen vale]

The misc is fine, its got more vit, melee combat and SW heal over godly bt so perfectly fits in as a swap. Just the braces that are lackluster really.

The SW heal as one skill on the brace is decent and the brace in itself is an upgrade over Godly Strategists as a buff swap. But please replace the sweeping blow dd on the brace lol, it is not a tank skill in any sense and makes one of the 2 items tanks get from crom underwhelming

[stuck lynx]

Ya but it’s a swap, that’s what kind of sucks so it’s not something that’s a straight up upgrade . I guess

Though the sw skill is real nice

[waxen vale]

I also did suggest making the entropy variant of weps have defense over sword abil and have something similar to the necro armour/dmg negation skill on em to make a real wep upgrade over gele axes but it got buried by some meme takes as usual

They already have melee combat and more vit than dhio weps plus the necro tank sword skills exist in game so won't require much dev effort either

[stuck lynx]

True

[solar topaz]

And last weapon we got its from gele 😞

[shadow knoll]

Well it’s only one tank bracer. And it is pure garbage.

Crating an extra swap for just sw is wild for a misc. I think I would take a godly shielding misc over Crom any day. Extra vit is meh once you have full bdg. The sw healing is decent but it’s not going to make up for the amount of damage you take from Crom. Might get it up to 2k maxed out. But I prefer to use a named Dino bracer as a swap to just cast it as quickly as possible.

[little glacier]

My healing on shield wall cast is 2200 non crit currently, that's with t1 misc, it's also very nice swap for buffs too. I use the captains brace for prot stance and sw too.

The captains brace dd for sweeping blow i find pointless though, would prefer to take that away and add defence or resists preferably

[waxen vale]

Yessir

Changing sweeping blow to prot stance heal would be an easy fix that'd be pretty neat, not suggesting any new features cuz I know better

[shadow knoll]

I don’t have any Crom gear yet. I just don’t think the bracer is worth swapping over a named sw bracer for cd. Fell like you would have to perm one or the other.

However, I can tank Crom with just two Druids easily enough. Ive done all others with one Druid and prot many times with no Druid.

Any boss under prot is easy with no Druid. .

[waxen vale]

SW heal is a game changer, was able to tank dhio no heals, no combo with a t2 charm. Should be able to do bt no heals too if I get the opportunity lol

The self sustain is insane over the course of a raid

[winter summit]

there are more weps coming on next variant, lotta ppl were pushing for new tank wep so i bet we see smth

i was suggesting a tank spear heavily and we didnt get all the spear variants from this mani so im hoping to see that 👀

[shadow knoll]

Was Dino glitched?

[waxen vale]

Nope normal kill

[shadow knoll]

Nice, what is your max hp/def? did you use lixs?

I’ve never heard of anyone tanking Dino with 0 support so I’m curious as to what your set up is.

I’ve done it with one Druid a couple of times, not too difficult but he still hits like a truck.

[waxen vale]

42k hp and 20k def. Ran a pig for it so only needed hp, def and armour lixes

[waxen vale]

Yee that was me before I stacked a ton of SW heals, its a breeze now never dropped below 70% just spamming SW and taunt

[shadow knoll]

Odd, I usually get up to 56k hp and around 16.5k def usually. Did you perm sw Dino bracer? Or perm the sw healing bracer?

Granted that’s with Jubi and super max potion.

My base hp with no lixs is like 36k

[waxen vale]

Oh I didn't run anything else, just kite

I did run 2 godly prot def braces for that kill tho since my hp res brace was on a different toon. Woulda just made it easier id assume

[shadow knoll]

I only have a 9% kite. But I like to stack lixs, potions, and food occasionally.

[shadow knoll]

Did you run a bt cd ring?

For sw?

[waxen vale]

Yeah to let me swap the SW heal brace. I run charm, brace and valley ring for SW now

[shadow knoll]

I see, I run named Dino brace swap and prot godly sw ring swap. 3 godly bands perm and 1 godly prot vit/dex/def bracer.

[waxen vale]

The heals def carried me. 7.4k dmg negation and a 2.2k heal to complement my other hp regen

Yeah I swap my godly taunt band lol, used to perm before valley but got hooked onto the paladin like build

Don't care as much about min maxing aggro anymore since I'm 230 anyway its not gonna be optimal for all the 220 raids

[shadow knoll]

True

My sw heal is still only 600. But I run a lot of swaps so I don’t have to alt when I change to dps gear for dailies

[waxen vale]

Just trynna see how far I can push my tank vs crom for now

[shadow knoll]

Minimum I’ve done with Crom is 2 Druids. But I think I’m the only tank on Rhia that can do that.

[shadow knoll]

Do you ever stack potions with lixs? For better in combat regan?

[waxen vale]

I didn't need it anywhere tbh, used to for Dhio back in the day when I needed to hold rage for 30+ mins

But it's solid if you wanna do it, the regen gets absurd

[shadow knoll]

Ya, think I calculated between 12-15k every 15 secs with pig and bw. Haven’t factored in sw healing in that though.

That’s in a perfect scenario though, if I hit everything perfectly. Around 12k no crits and around 15k with crits since my bw crits for 3.5k

I’ll reevaluate it after I get a Crom misc. idk if I’ll swap it. Might just perm it and be done. I have two swaps per skill as it is.

If I had a godly bt misc I would prolly swap it.

[waxen vale]

Yeah I got a godly so I swap, its goated

[little glacier]

I switched to perming a bt sw cd ring after I got captains brace. Was previously using a dino brace for cd, but specking more into the sw and stance heal is a big upgrade.

Over the course of a 15min raid, at 25% cd my shield wall heals me for 145,200 health. Thats with no crits at all so it would be even higher. The shield wall heal on cast gear is a huge upgrade from not having it

[shadow knoll]

This would be what each thing heals me based on 15 min raid. Granted I rarely have perfect rotation of skills as I sometimes am lazy lol. But this is a crazy number. I’ll go ahead and add in sw. This will also be with 0 crits but all out with lixs and potions.

Pig: 435 per 5 seconds
78k per 15mins

natural regan at 56k hp (Super regan potion is 2% and hero hp regan is 3% so 5% hp together and yes they stack) : 2800 per 5sec

504k per 15mins

SW: 600 per 12 seconds (named Dino bracer)

45k per 15mins

BW: 1748 per 30 seconds

52k per 15 mins. Rounded down just because.

Total health healed per 15 min raid: 679k

Total per minute would be around 45k

If I knew the average damage per min of Dino/Crom I could compare it. None of this includes my 6.5k damage negate from sw either, which would be a little over 1m. If I had to guess, Crom and Dino would deal an average of 3-7k per 2 seconds maybe, would also depend on everything that is evaded. I would have to test it on Dino and Crom to see how long they would take to kill me multiple times while doing nothing to see what their average damage is per second against just me and my gear. But I know that my regan (though not done perfectly) cannot keep up with it. However, I have been able to keep up with gele. Druids tell me I could probably do it without them, even without book. Prot base and prime are fairly easy to tank without a Druid even while tanking the adds. I don’t hit everything perfectly on cool down the majority of the time, usually because I’m chatting while tanking or distracted irl.

[shadow knoll]

None of this is exact science either. I know some takes with a heavy focus on skill evasions take less damage. Of course a lot of that also has to do with autos and skill damage. But I know even with bdg4 Dino still hurts. But when I go all out it’s usually with 1 Druid. And sometimes 2 Druids when one of them is multi logged, like last time one Druid was also doing sui so really just had like 1.2 Druids healing me.

[little glacier]

Bunny - 1535 every 15seconds
92k per 15mins

Natural regen at 44k hp
2200 every 5seconds - 396k per 15mins

SW - 2200 every 13.5seconds
145k per 15mins

BW - 1374 every 30seconds
41k per 15mins

Protective Stance - 550 every 60seconds
8250 per 15mins

Total health healed per 15min raid = 682k

Total per minute around 45k

Mine currently, your hp alone makes over 100k regen heal more than me, madness

[shadow knoll]

Stack super max potions with jubi and you’ll get a lot more hp. What is your base hp? No buffs or lixs

[shadow knoll]

Over all not bad at all. It’s sad that we don’t have ingame metrics for tanks on the leader boards. Like damage sustained per raid.

That would actually be pretty cool to see. Although it would be skewed each raid and it’s hard to gauge how much a tank heals themselves per raid. These were the best calculations I could come up with. Healing yourself for 600k+ is wild when you think about how much damage you sustain during a raid. By my count top tier tanks should be healing themselves for around 600k+ and negating about 1m+ worth of damage. That would be for Dino, Crom, bt, and gele. Prot not so much.

Also, are you using 2 sw bracers? For the heals? I know the misc is 500-700, same with the bracer. Are you using shop bracer too?

[little glacier]

If there was a section added to the current leaderboards on boss kills for amount healed, as in heals you cast yourself, that could show it a bit but not fully. Would also show off druid healing too, which would be cool to see

[little glacier]

That is my hp with both of them currently, I also dont have a kite.

30 to 34k base hp as with my buff swaps it increases 4k

[little glacier]

T1 crom misc - 500 heal

T2 crom captains brace - 500 heal

T3 valley ring - 600 sw / 550 prot stance heal

Dg aura adding extra 600 to sw

[shadow knoll]

Ah okay, that makes sense. Once I have named pummel and named rupture bracers I might try to adjust my skill points so u can use vally ring as a swap instead of godly prot ring. I just don’t have the skill points to max all of them. Granted I don’t have prot stance maxed, think it’s at 45. That was so I could max pummel and rupture without having to alt when I do dailies.

Oh wait, it’s at 47 since I just got godly chivalry bracer.

Also need named taunt for that one skill point lol. Rolling with godly Dino taunt atm.

[little glacier]

If i didnt know you were using chivalry brace for the points id be in disgust

[shadow knoll]

Lmao ya

That’s the only reason I use it. Just so I’m viable as a dps toon

I’m working on dps dg atm

Have boots and gloves and I’ll just get pants and bp through quest

[little glacier]

Ive just relised, we're still talking about this in a suggestion post🤣my bad

[shadow knoll]

I might make a discord for tanks soon

[little glacier]

Honestly I'd love that and others would probably like the idea of it too, quite a few tanks often join in conversations and discuss things with eachother

[shadow knoll]

I’ll make it when I get home. Would also help out people looking to become tanks. Get the finer points of being a tank. So many people don’t know about potion stacking on lixs