buff ice mage we not good compared to fire

[neat plover]

Ice mage need buff

[thin cove]

+1

[open ember]

+1

[neat plover]

As to more detail about this me with very good gear gets out dps by a mage just with 20% bolt cd and some royal silver bolt rings

bufffff meeee

lower ice cd or buff dmg any is fine just need to come closer to fire mage dps

[thin cove]

or lower ice resist on some bosses

[errant palm]

just need to lower ice blast cast time

[mild cipher]

Instant ice blast skill , and lower ice shards cast time by 1 sec that’s all it needs @tardy bane

[carmine orchid]

For those of you that keep mentioning it, yes ice is worse than fire, by roughly 25-30% depending on gear. Everything I’m about to say is backed by math or obvious constatations.

Here are the main reasons as to why the difference is so high:

• the direct damage bonus on every ice shards item is way too low. it should be 2.3 ice shards damage per 1 fire bolt damage, right now the best rings in the game have a 1.6 shards damage per fire bolt dmg ratio, meaning that godly bloodleaf band of the arcanist are missing 700 ice shards damage EACH

• fire attunement is way stronger than ice attunement (dps wise obviously)

• the skill rotation is nearly perfect for fire mages, meanwhile ice mages lose out on a LOT of cooldown due to casting overlap. Ice blast cast time is one of the main culprit. It’s actually impossible to cast ice blast and not lose out on some fire bolt dps with only 25% bolt CD

• fire cast times are unequivalently lower than ice, meaning that fire cooldown reduction items are stronger (on paper) than ice cooldown reduction items (upwards to ~3% DPS difference per skill with 40% CD)

• obviously fire and ice BT helms dont have the same amount of focus

• fire has a better loot pool at endgame.. these are the relevant unique items:

For Ice Mages:

Ice Blast mord brace
Ice Shards necro brace
All of which are useless on a well geared mage

For Fire Mages:

Fire Bolt mord brace
Best in slot fb hotswap

Now this is sort of whatever since the best in slot permanent brace for ice mages is a fire bolt dhio brace + mord brace for hotswap, so in reality we lose out on upwards to 1000 ice magic in exchange for 1000 fire magic, hurting all our ice skills. In the right world we should permanent shards dhio brace and hotswap a shards direct damage brace, just like fire mages.

• the range of fire skills is longer (upwards to 20% difference), giving fire a small advantage at Dhiothu and under other specific circumstances

[late compass]

Ye blows my mind that the cast range of fire spells is longer than ice. Not only are they firing fire bolts like machine guns for 25k, they are safer doing so.

[thin cove]

@lilac thorn

[mild cipher]

What do you suggest the buff should be ? Or should they add gear that can be equip such as the mordris fb bracelet or fix BT bands ?

[forest sky]

Introducing new gear to old loot pools would be an unpopular opinion among the devs prolly.

First fix would be increase dd on ice gear to match the appropriate cast times.
Second fix would be would be minor tweaks to cast times/cd times to make rotation better.

Realistically these are the 2 most easily implemented strategies that would help shorten the gap with minimal dev work or risk of messing up. All they gotta do is consult a few experienced eg ice mages for slightly improved times, test it out to make sure it works.
Then jus change some numbers on ice dd and it’s good

[late compass]

Shimy has done all the work for the devs calculating this. All dev work needed is to buff the DD per shimy’s recommendation and test it out in beta.

[mild cipher]

Bump

[thin cove]

Bump

[winged sable]

Buff ice blast dmg

Or nerf firebolt, most broken skill in the game

Why does everything need to be buffed, why can’t there ever be a healthy balance of buffs and nerfs

Everything gotta be broken, game is already too easy and boring

If nothing gets direct nerfs then a skill like firebolt will someday get the shadowstrike treatment where everything got high fire resist and even some fire immunities

Constant unfun loop of changing boss resistances

[mild cipher]

Fire doesn’t need to be touch is all the ice part @winged sable

[winged sable]

Ch eg players are probs more sped than any other eg player base

Sht is clearly broken in this game

Power creep has gotten so bad

In case you need a definition cause people here think like toddlers

[mild cipher]

@winged sable there is no need of insulting anyone here. We can talk like normal people

[late compass]

What’s that have to do with mage balance ?

[winged sable]

Na I’m gonna insult. Nobody should allow players to convince the devs we need even more broken sht in the game lol

And I’m an ice mage myself

[late compass]

Buffing or nerfing firebolt , which both sub classes use, will not be as effective as simply buffing an ice skill or two.

[winged sable]

m8 people here are asking for ice to be the same as fire which is already stupidly op. Tryin to break the mage class? 😂

[late compass]

Break? It’s already broken. Trying to fix it

[winged sable]

Yeah nerf fire and buff certain aspects of ice

Don’t buff ice to fires level of broken

Sick and tired of power creep

[mild cipher]

Lmaooo if you look at what I comment I clearly have stated that the only thing they need to do is change the cooldown not buff damage not buff anything but make cooldown faster can make it up to 10-20% better and fire would still be dominant

[winged sable]

Yeah so nerf fire 😂😂

[late compass]

There’s literally 5 different ways to solve the problem.

[mild cipher]

@late compass yeppp

[winged sable]

Ppl constantly complaining how good fire is but don’t want a nerf?

Only in ch

[mild cipher]

Lost case with you . @late compass what do you suggest ?

[winged sable]

1. Buff ice
2. Buff ice
3. Buff ice
4. Buff ice
5. Don’t nerf fire

[late compass]

Two easiest solutions I can think of is what Shimy already suggested.
A) increase DD of ice bands proportionately

Or

B) modify ice blast

Or a combination of both

[winged sable]

Can’t wait for mage to get sht on as hard as rogue did when rogues were king of carrow

[mild cipher]

Ohhh yea I saw thous . Maybe a combo of both would be awesome

@late compass I do believe that if they rework some of the other skills

Maybe it can give ice mages a much better chance

[charred bluff]

just reduce the cd of ice blast significantly and the whole problem is solved. no need to nerf fire or buff ice dd

[mild cipher]

Yea this one can be a solution too lolol

[late compass]

Yep like I said there’s so many ways to solve this. We just throwing ideas out her

[winged sable]

So fire still reigns supreme? fb is a broken skill m8

[charred bluff]

understandable, but ice is the problem here

[mild cipher]

Let’s hope they make an announcement soon

[winged sable]

Ice and fire are tied together under the same class, they’re not different classes

[late compass]

No one said they aren’t

[charred bluff]

chances are, if they nerf fire it’s gonna cause other issues. I’m sure 90% of mages even ice mages would rather just an ice buff

[winged sable]

So if fire presents a problem it most certainly impacts ice

Fire is broken so ice is far less desirable

[late compass]

As I mentioned previously, modifying a skill both sub classes use will not be as effective as modifying subclass exclusive skills

[mild cipher]

I think if they rework where ice mages can be only ice mages and fire only fire would also be another fix . How ? By reworking useless skills . What do you think?

[late compass]

Hmm I don’t think other skills need changed besides the primary dps skills. Dots aren’t stackable so not worth changing frostbite or incinerate.

[mild cipher]

How about other skills that aren’t use . To make modify them to a better use . I believe someone suggest to have sacrifice as damage

[late compass]

Ehh idk. I think for now deca should do the changes we suggested and perhaps at a later time we can revisit those utility skills

[mild cipher]

Hmm I see

[ember dome]

make the ice version of incerinate better ez

[thin cove]

no💀

[ember dome]

lmaoo

make it hit like druid vines

[thin cove]

no cause it can be overcasted and ice mages will still suck

[ember dome]

adds more dps thou

[thin cove]

just no

[ember dome]

lol

[winged sable]

Na. If you slap a cast time on fb for example (like how it used to be), fire mages will feel it far more than ice mages

Fb has become so broken because cdr gear for fb is incredibly broken and turns it into a nuclear mini gun

It’s too fast

And unless u slap it with a nerf it’ll always be better than ice because don’t forget crits also exist

More casts per second, more chances to crit, and fb can have some insane crits

If ice mages want to be at or around equilibrium with fire mages there has to be both nerfs and buffs

I think otm making fb an insta cast skill is what doomed ice

[neat plover]

I think all they need to do to get ice mage closer to fire mage dps is to ether: lower blast cd by 10% and ice shards cd by 5% or increase all ice mage skill dmg by 10%-20%

Or do both

Any is fine

[mild cipher]

agreed

[mild cipher]

Bump

[winged sable]

Buffing shards also buffs fire mage so yeah

Nobody here knows how to make ice mage good

Buff blast all you want too, fb and fs will still always be better than shards and blast

If Deca never generates more brain cells than average ch mage and doesn’t nerf fire mage, then at the very least make ice mage more enjoyable to play. Make blast a 100% accurate skill and beef it up

Blast gets evaded way too much and it’s the most unfun feeling in the world

Will still be weaker than fire mage but at least I can fight bosses without having to watch slower skills be evaded half the time

[neat plover]

It buffs ice mage more then fire since we useing dd for it

[carmine orchid]

Bro i mentionned prolly all the ways in which fire is better than ice, the majority of it coming from changing the direct damage of ice shards items to be 2.3 times their fire bolt equivalent, then buff ice attunement by 10% and reduce ice blast cast time by like a second. Nbdy truly cares about the range, nobody truly cares about the loot pool and nobody truly cares about the unequivalent cast times making fire cd reduction items stronger, they just want the gap between ice and fire mages to be reduced. This coming from a fire mage btw

[mild cipher]

100% I agree with you and it makes sense . Anyone who disagreed just don’t comprehend basics I’m also a fire mage and would love to see the Ice mages thrive . After that they should just make it where one can be only fire or only ice 🤞

[winged sable]

Fb would still solo ice mage even with all those buffs

40% cd fb is the most broken skill in the game

And more and more 40% cd bt rings and Dino wands are dropping

Even just a void wand or imperial bt ring would solo ice mage

I’m all for buffing ice blast and attun, but if people want to be serious about competing against fire mages then fb needs a nerf lol

[carmine orchid]

ure right, fun fact for u since u brought it up: even if u were to be a maxed out ice mage, fire bolt would still be your strongest skill

But u also forget the part where ice mages also use fire bolt blud ive done the math and it truly doesnt matter, one could argue that with higher fire magic ur fb would scale up even more but it rlly doesnt make any important difference

[winged sable]

Yeah ice mages aren’t even ice mages because fb is so busted lol. Basically a nerfed fire mage

And I’d also like for Deca to stay away from going into the rabbit hole of buffing gear, it’s part of the reason why power creep is really bad in this game

Like if bt bands got buffed that’d just widen the gap between players who have access to them and players who don’t

[late compass]

nerfing firebolt also nerfs ice mage so whats ur point?

[late compass]

zkills is just a troll that got nothing better to do with his time.

[winged sable]

Literal

no sht it nerfs ice mage, point is it nerfs what makes fire mage so broken

Ice skills stay the same and with ice skills buffed the two specs can finally be competitive

Players like u are the reason why the game is so sht and unbalanced today

[winged sable]

Ch player trying to dookie on how others spend their time:

[mild cipher]

Fire doesn’t need no touch . Ice just needs to be cast faster or some of the other suggestion from people will work

[vagrant cargo]

Nerf fire

It’s the best in the game, everyone says so.

It would be funny to see it balanced

[mild cipher]

Nah . Fire is greatly balance

[neat plover]

not greatly but it’s balanced enough ice mage on the other hand blast is not even as close to as strong as shards that needs ether a dmg buff or reduced cd. Idc about endgame ice mage just not strong enough

[errant palm]

ice blast needs cast time reduction and ice shards need small dmg increase

or have the dmg increase for ice blast and leave ice shards as is

[late compass]

I prefer cast times and cooldowns for ice abilities to be fine tuned since it’s so clunky and slow. Fire mage skills rotation feels super smooth compared to ice

[open ember]

I think cast time reduction would also be a fire boost since they’d be able to fit blast into their rotations without interrupting bolt. Needs to be dd

A rebalancing of the direct damages added from gear would close the gap much further. You can definitely feel it in shards. Bolt always wins in dd. Gele Weps: (dark)
Firebolt - 103.84 dps
Ice Shard - 90 dps Gele Rings: (mighty)
Firebolt - 62.30
Ice Shard - 54 BT Helms: (Royal)
Fire - 92.30 Ice - 80. BT Rings: (imp)
Fire - 123.07
Ice - 85.33.
Dino Braces: (maj)
Firebolt - 107.69
Ice Shard - 93.33. *the math may be a tiny bit off. Haven’t fact checked myself in a while lol. But still gives a visual representation of the difference in gear on direct damage alone. This isn’t even considering that bt fire helms add more focus and whatnot

I hate discord hahah. I dont know how to make the list pretty.

The 600 dmg from a royal invo comes out to 92.3 as well. Making the direct dmg from a royal invo 6.9 dps higher than an Imp arc. Wild

[late compass]

I could see this happening with no cooldown gear. But I don’t see it happening with 30% firebolt recast jewel, much less 40%.
Not entirely sure cuz im not a fire mage

[open ember]

FB cd with a godly ring is 3.9 seconds. Cast time for blast is 3 seconds

Could lower it and just balance the class completely 🤷. Fb and shards the same. Storm and blast the same. Then all mages could use all 4 skills. I dont know. Just ideas hahah. I like Mage talk

[late compass]

Yeah but why would a fire mage want to run ice blast with 3.9s cooldown for firebolt? Cast firestorm and ice shard instead

[neat plover]

No if shards and fb have the same cd time it would break the game and make ice mage the best class to play

[open ember]

Meant more so in terms of dd not CDs. Blast beats storm normally for dd.

[neat plover]

as I said before a big buff is not necessary and nerfing fire mage is not rally necessary just giving ice mage a little buff to get closer to fire like: 5/10% cds or 10-20% dmg buff

[open ember]

If u lowered the cast time why would you not want to run it?

[late compass]

You would be able to fit firestorm shard & ice blast within 3.9s?

[open ember]

Depends on ur CDs I’d guess. If I’m not mistaken blast has a higher dps potential than Incin and doesn’t get overlapped. So would be the same thing as including Incin in your rotation as long as it doesn’t cut off your fB timing. Not a fire Mage either so i dont know

[open ember]

If you’re trying to get every skill off between firebolts you’re doing something wrong hahah.

[late compass]

You must also factor in there is a 1 second lockout after casting fire bolt where you can’t cast any skills. So in reality you only have 2.9 seconds to use other skills. You wouldn’t be able to cast ice blast lol, trust. You can barely fit in firestorm as it is

Trying to cast ice shard would be dps loss if you can’t hit your swaps in time

[open ember]

Guess I’d be curious to what the cast time reduction would be then. Cuz it u take a second off of it it’s the same thing as using storm no?

[errant palm]

probably, ice blast could have some extra effect on it like it slows mobs down when theyre hit or something as well

either way it takes way too long to cast imo

[neat plover]

Ice blast is about 11 or 9 second cd time without any cds -40% on max is 6.6 seconds but on a non end game toon (like mine) I only have 20% so 8.8 which is massive you can cast bolt 4 times in the time I wait cast blast to cast blast once

which is let’s say 10k bolt on a good enough fire mage 40k dmg as my blast is not gonna deal over 13k dmg

LOWER ICE BLAST CD TIME

or increase dmg to make up for it

[neat plover]

Or on a ice mage that is good 19k dmg still not even close to fire mage

[late compass]

Ice blast is actually 17 second cool down, plus 3 second cast time. So in reality you can cast an ice blast every 20 seconds.

& for comparison, ice shard is 13 seconds cool down and 1 second cast time.

Ice blast is in desperate need of cast time/cooldown adjustments. It doesn’t hit much harder than ice shard either

[vagrant cargo]

ice blast is a 20 second cooldown

ice shards is 15

[neat plover]

Ah mb

[mild cipher]

Bump

[thin cove]

did u used to be ice?

[mild cipher]

Si

[thin cove]

Ah okey

[thin cove]

Would u go back to ice If ice and fire would be the same

[mild cipher]

Possibly @thin cove

[fair depot]

Why would he

His fire gears hard to replace

[compact rover]

Spamming fb is the only way to go

Ask @neat plover

I poo on him and his gear is way better

But his crits are mad 🧎🏾‍♂️😅

[neat plover]

D:

[neat plover]

Not anymore :))

dose anyone know what the cd on bolt and storm are?

[errant palm]

8 fb i think

[open ember]

6.5 and 15

[neat plover]

Thxx

Thought storm was 11 sec lol

[open ember]

Bolt - 6.5 Shard -15 storm - 15 blast - 20

[neat plover]

@tardy bane @lilac thorn. To make ice mage almost equal to fire but not better would need to lower ice shards cool down by 2.5 seconds so 15-12.5 seconds. It would make ice shards closer to firebolt but not better and not to big of a buff to make it over powered. And the same with blast not to big of a buff but not enough to make it better

would this not be a fair buff and to leave fire mage untouched

The numbers are just going off max ice/fire mage dd gear

[long sparrow]

Ice mage buff is switching to fire

And changing ice shards still boosts fire dps

When bosses do not die, it’s not because ice mages aren’t doing enough dps.

[neat plover]

So buff them

[mild cipher]

Dang this is nice !

[mild cipher]

Perhaps they could buff blast and BT arcanist rings only .

[forest sky]

Follow shimys maths instead, that would only further mess up skill rotations for both fire and ice mages^

[thin cove]

they need to change iceblast cd

oh and that fire range is longer then ice is crazy

[open ember]

I still think it’d be better to adjust the dmg and focus added from gear rather than the cooldowns. Adjusting the cooldowns more than likely wouldn’t change the overall rotation. It’d be better to just have the gear match each other. Using shimys rant above I made a slight edit……The direct damage bonus (dd) on every ice shards item is way too low. It should be 2.3 ice shards damage per 1 fire bolt damage (given the base cooldown times of those skills), right now the best rings in the game (invocation rings) have a 1.6 shards damage per fire bolt dmg ratio, making invocation rings significantly stronger than arcanist rings (44.21%?)(based off the direct damage alone).

[forest sky]

Yeah that’s what shimy said

[open ember]

As I said. “Using shimys rant above” to reiterate the message.

[vagrant cargo]

Nerf fire mage

Why does it get to be top dps class for free? Nerf fire bolt

[open ember]

Nerfing bolt nerfs ice mages too 🙄 just balance the damn class

[fervent wedge]

The funny thing is that Ice mage is only bad when compared to fire, if there are no fire mages around, Ice mages are kings at BT and also very capable at Dino

[open ember]

Base fb 6.5 sec
25% fb cd = 4.875 sec
30% fb cd = 4.55 sec
35% fb cd = 4.225 sec
40% fb cd = 3.9 sec

Base shard 15 sec
25% = 11.25
30% = 10.5
35% = 9.75
40% = 9

Base shard 13.5 sec (per the suggestion)
25% = 10.125
30% = 9.45
35% = 8.775
40% = 8.1

Decreasing the cooldowns isn’t gonna change the rotations.

[vagrant cargo]

its 5 seconds

nerf fire bolt

imagine a skill shooting at 3 seconds without a cast time LMAO literally broken

[open ember]

Firebolt is not 5 seconds.

Not hard to do a little bit of research on your own

Any decent ice mage should still be using firebolt. Nerfing firebolt is a nerf to ice mages as well. Doesn’t solve the problem.

[thin cove]

fire even got more range thats crazy to me

[open ember]

It Is an interesting aspect. But the range for frostbite and Incin is the same too. So if a fire mage and ice mage were using all their own skills it’d be the same in the end tbf.

[thin cove]

not every ice mage is using frostbite lol

only the best of the server

[open ember]

Just sayin. I feel the range is the least of the issues

[thin cove]

ye iknow but it still doesnt make sense they have more dps and better range

[vagrant cargo]

Then nerf fire mages

[fervent wedge]

What is the difference from buffing Ice mage? I think if mage needs a nerf, it should be its lures, but not much

[vagrant cargo]

It would be more fun

Also fire mage is obviously the top dps above rogues so

[fervent wedge]

I think the only place Mage is excelling more than it should in theory is Prot, Mages are good at BT and Dino, and that's fine.

[vagrant cargo]

they excel and top dps at every boss

with dino being the exception since it has half resistance to magc

even then with grim, lures, phoenix its still arguably even

[fervent wedge]

It is very common for mages to kill dino, very frequent occurrence

Ofc, mainly fire mages

[late compass]

Druids must suck in your server. Druids get 90% of kills on my server. They deal 100% damage to dhio with lures, don’t even need a grim to get magic resist to 0. Meanwhile mages with all lures stacked got at least 1k resist

[fervent wedge]

This is because of the constant tps on epona, and yes, Druids kill Dino a lot too

[mild cipher]

Druid gets the kill at dhio normally . BT is mages . Gele is rogues . Prot is rangers / mages . Necro/mordris rogues. No need for fire to be nerfed . Ice gear needs to be adjust . The end

[winged sable]

Changing gear instead of balancing a class, classic otm mindset. So if you can’t get bt bands or want to level with ice you’re just screwed?

Ice mage will literally become the sword warrior of mage. Terrible for the first 99% of the game, good for the very end

Which is unfortunate because playing through the game as a sword warrior and ice mage is fun, but it’s held back by terrible balancing

L opinions every day, game can continue to die

[winged sable]

You don’t seem to understand how balancing works 😂

Even Deca understands that in order to balance things you have to include both nerfs and buffs. They’ve done it to their other mmo rotmg multiple times, nerfing the broken and buffing the weaker

[open ember]

How does nerfing bolt create a balance when it’s still an ice mages strongest dps skill

[winged sable]

You nerf bolt and buff ice, more specifically skills like blast and attun

If bolt never gets nerfed that one skill will always solo ice mage

Idk what’s so hard to understand about that?

[open ember]

Do you not use bolt? I don’t understand the logic behind nerfing a skill as Ice mages use the skill. The imbalance lies primarily in the gear. Yes fire mages are still stronger. But fire gear is also literally made to give more dps.

Nerfing the skill nerfs everyone. Nerfing and balancing the gear focuses on each subclass

[winged sable]

Have you ever played ice mage? Have you seen how painful it is to use ice blast?

[open ember]

Nah. I’m a ranger. Just commenting on the ice posts for fun

Yeah I’m an ice Mage

[winged sable]

Have you ever seen how over powered a fire mage is with literally any cdr on fb?

[open ember]

I repeat my question. Do you not use bolt?

Yes blast cuts off the timing ever so slightly. But you’re not giving up one or the other skill

Blast is a 3 sec cast time with a 1 sec lockout for animation making it 4 seconds in total.
25% fb cd = 4.875 sec
30% fb cd = 4.55 sec
35% fb cd = 4.225 sec
40% fb cd = 3.9 sec

[winged sable]

Every ice mage uses bolt cause it’s the most broken skill in the game, it even solos ice mage builds who are not using full fb direct dmg gear

A true testament to how broken that one skill is

[open ember]

But if ice perms actually balanced the class then it’d be the same thing

Direct dmg added from gear. Primarily favors fire

Mord Braces: (Imp)
Firebolt - 68.46
Ice Blast - 43.75

Hrung Helms: (royal)
Ice - 53.33
Fire - 43.33

Gele Weps: (dark)
Firebolt - 103.84
Ice Shard - 90
Ice Blast - 74.25
Fire Storm - 67.53

Gele Rings: (mighty)
Firebolt - 62.30
Ice Shard - 54
Ice Blast - 44.55
Firestorm - 40.53

BT Misc: (imp)
Ice - 80
Fire - 53.33

BT Helms: (Royal)
Fire - 92.30
Ice - 80

BT Rings: (imp)
Fire - 123.07
Ice - 85.33

Dino Wands: (shadow)
Ice - 79.2
Fire - 72

Dino Braces: (maj)
Firebolt - 107.69
Ice Shard - 93.33

Dino Ammy: (godly)
Fire - 37.69
Ice - 37.33

[open ember]

Fire mages are still a solid 30% stronger or so using the same exact focus and magic abilities. But the gear makes it even worse. As you said It’s still an ice mages primary dps skill. So nerfing the skill alone is a nerf to all mages.

[winged sable]

That’s cool and all, but explain to me how fb still manages to be an ice mages best skill even without all that direct dmg gear outside of swaps and dg/occult 💀💀

Last I checked ice mages not running around with invo rings

[open ember]

Not as perms.

The fact that a Royal invo is still 8% stronger than an Imp arc is baffling

[winged sable]

And if Deca were to go down the gear change route, which is a huge mistake as it’s already been tried before and failed, wouldn’t the smarter option to be to simply split the two sub classes entirely? Make two separate mage dg sets like warrior, one for ice and one for fire, and then do the same for occult. That way ppl aren’t freaking out over a fb nerf nerfing everyone

[open ember]

The explanation is here. As stated yes fire mages are still 30% stronger. But it’s the rings and the perms that really set us apart. Ice mages are able to use firestorm. Fire mages are forced to use Incin. There are balances in effect. But it’s the gear that makes fire mages stay on top

[winged sable]

Splitting the two entirely would make balancing way easier

[open ember]

I think it’s a solid idea to separate them. Would be interesting to see how it gets implemented. But even with the same exact focus and magic abilities fire mages are a solid 30% stronger

I also wanted to test the difference in ice and fire using the same exact focus and magic abilities. Here is what it came out to.
Fire Mage:
Bolt - 7526……………1602.46
Storm - 9291…………812.06
Incin - 3452 x 4………690.4
Attune - 2890

Ice Mage:
Shard- 10560……………………..992.93
Blast- 12133………………………823.85
Frostbite- 3876 + 1895 x 6……..502.2
Attune- 4334

Fire 3104.92 dps in total
Ice 2318.48 dps in total

Fire is 33.92% stronger

Frostbite and Incin are hard to test cuz they’re dot skills. So I went with the max dmg and ticks for the calculation. But even without the dot skills fire Mage is stronger.

[winged sable]

When the two are separated and ice mages stop relying on fb for its main dps and fire mages no longer have shards as a reliable secondary dps skill, balancing the two will become way easier. You can nerf and buff the two subclasses without worrying about crossover balancing issues

It should already be like this for every class besides like rogue and ranger. Deca already sorta did it with warrior

[winged sable]

And those are perfect scenarios. Fb/fs can land far more crits per second than ice and ice suffers heavily from evades. Shards or a blast getting evaded is miles worse than a fb or fs getting evaded

And considering blast gets evaded like half the time one uses it, easily makes it the worst dps skill

I think shards is already a pretty decent skill in practice, blast is the main issue.

[open ember]

Ice mages can use both those skills. Although I do agree the crits are an issue. I’d blast never missed that’d be an improvement. Especially considering the 3 second cast time

[winged sable]

Shards just has the unfortunate reality of being thrown up against fb

[winged sable]

Blast should be a 100% accurate skill. The long cd and cast time never bothered me too much but it’s entirely dependent on ur cds. I got a 40% cd on blast so I might be a little biased

The long cast time / cd can easily be justified by being 100% accurate and getting a dmg buff

Because in practice shards is almost always hitting harder than blast which is stupid af

Even without dg

[open ember]

I have a 40% as well. My main concern with a cast time decrease is it would also be a buff to fire since they’d likely be able to squeeze it into rotation without missing timings. I wouldn’t mind seeing a cd reduction time but again I don’t think it’d change the overall rotation of the skills for people using 30%+ CDs

[open ember]

As it should since all out eg gear gives shard dmg now

[open ember]

Blast is 3 sec rn. Lowering it to 2 would be the same as using Incin although now their skill wouldn’t get overlapped

[winged sable]

Blast has the benefit of a Dino wand but ye

Honestly sad how much worse dino wands are for ice than they are for fire

Because blast is so bad 😂

[open ember]

Opening up that fB cd for an invo is also a massive dps over ice due to the ring dd difference

I’m curious to see everyone else’s ice mages in this group hahah

[winged sable]

Ye but they should still be desirable for ice mages. Fire mages cream themselves over a shadow wand, but ice mages spit on shadow ice wands. On Epona shadow fire wands are worth like 50m, ice wands are like 5m 😂

[open ember]

Rip. Paid 30 for my Shad lol

In rhia

[winged sable]

Even void ice wands are hard to sell

If blast were a better skill tho that dd for ice blast on the wands would prob raise its grade by quite a bit

[winged sable]

Yeah that’s an L. I’d rather stick with gele wand and godly Necro cd

[open ember]

Never cared for 3 swaps per skill. Maybe if I get a newer device lol

[winged sable]

I would use a void wand tho, simply cause 40% blast cd makes blast a C tier skill instead of F tier

[open ember]

Not wand swap? If that’s the case bolt and shard wands still have higher dps potential

[winged sable]

I don’t either, try harding in this game is too much for me

[winged sable]

I’d perma the wand I couldn’t care less about cd swapping at this stage 😂

And plus fb gele wands are insanely expensive

[winged sable]

Maybe if I was still in highschool I’d be sweaty

I just do the obvious swaps. Gele rings, Dino braces, etc..

[vagrant cargo]

a good ice mage out dps's every other class

[open ember]

Now ik u just here to troll

[vagrant cargo]

lot of fire mages here trying not to get their class nerfed

[open ember]

The title doesn’t say nerf fire mages. It says buff ice mages

[vagrant cargo]

it also says we not good compared to fire

no one is good compared to fire

nerf fire

[mild cipher]

Is why I don’t reply back xD

[open ember]

Nerf fire. Don’t nerf fire. Ice Mage out dps every class but no one is good compared to fire. So many contradictory statements. Not even being a good troll. Just lookin stupid

[vagrant cargo]

Most of those are false LMFAO what bro?

Literally have to make up everything ok buddy

[vagrant cargo]

Simple, I meant fire

[vagrant cargo]

Why would I say ice on purpose

I’ve said ice sucks a hundred times before

Bozo lmfao

[open ember]

Then edit your original post instead of making contradictory statements. Are we supposed to read your mind to know what you meant?

[open ember]

I stand by my statement

[forest sky]

Fire prolly requires a slight nerf, as do druids imo. Better than the next bosses having Hella high resists. Balancing it now would prevent all that from occurring, some of y’all jus salty fire mages 🤷🏻

[mild cipher]

Nah

[open ember]

Some of y’all jus aren’t seeing the bigger picture…. Nerfing fire nerfs all mages. Buffing cast time buffs all Mage. None of it fixes the issue.

[forest sky]

nerfing firebolt specifically does more for balancing it, how can it be that a fire skill does over 50% of an icemages damage🥴 , that alone needs nerfing. but for now the bigger problem is that ice needs a buff, fire needing a nerf is a secondary problem

you arent seeing the real picture, try reading all the messages before trynna get on your high horse about it

[forest sky]

yeah, its not a druid op issue, its a resistance issue, you factual there

[winged sable]

But fb is a truly broken skill, it’s the best dps skill in the game and everyone can agree on that

[winged sable]

Yeah lol instead of doing an equal balance of nerfs and buffs otm simply slapped bosses with different amounts of resists and gave op gear to casters

[forest sky]

idm having some bosses being weaker or stronger to different classes/subclasses, it encourages having alts and stuff, but when some have the capability to be suppressive and win all, ☹️

[winged sable]

Poison broke carrow? Np just slap poison resists on everything Necro+ and ruin poison dmg. Casters not beating melee aggy-Gele? Np just make bt and Dino incredibly weak to elemental dmg and ruin melee on those bosses. If Deca follows the same trend I can bet Druid is going to be slapped on the nuts by heavy magic resist on the next boss.

If fire mage remains in its op state, then future bosses are gonna be given way too much fire resist

[open ember]

Went from ice vs fire to mages vs druids to complaining about boss resists. Still none of it fixes the issue presented in the original post

[winged sable]

It’s all connected really. Devs method of “balancing” has always been altering boss resistances

For all we know Deca might simply make the next boss weak to ice and resistant to fire 😂

[open ember]

If fB is doing 50% of your dmg your doing something wrong. Still. A 20% nerf to the skill is still going to be a 20% nerf for everyone. Yeah it’ll affect the end game fire mages more but its still 20% for everyone and will still be felt by us as well. Increasing dd of gear raises shards to the level it’s supposed to be at in order to compete. Why does a fire helm add 15% more dd dps and more focus? Why do Royal invos have a higher dps value than Imp arcs? The gear is so unbalanced rn it’s crazy. I believe there are certain ideas that could’ve been intended to create a balance, such as ice mages being able to use firestorm. But it’s still the unbalanced gear that sets the subclasses apart right now.

[wispy lintel]

just buff bloodthorn ice gear that shi trash lmao

and fix ice blast, then its all good

[mild cipher]

Gelebron need a elemental res debuff 😢

[neat plover]

Shhhhhh leave that till later buff ice mage first :))

[vagrant cargo]

literally didnt see that i made the mistake until you pointed it out. youre something else LMFAO

i made ONE contradictory accidental statement and youre like "you made so many contradictory statements omg"

buffoon

[fervent wedge]

Druids what? What do you want nerf on druids?

[open ember]

I pointed out your statements. And again I still stand by mine. The only buffoon here is the one choosing to continue an argument 14 hours later instead of moving on and making meaningful contributions to the post

If you wanna keep this discussion going my dms are open ❤️

[vagrant cargo]

you can tell this guy is a firemage

[fervent wedge]

Exactly, people are acting like rogue wasn't op af in the past

[vagrant cargo]

ok but necro being poison resistant makes sense because hes a skeleton

[winged sable]

Na rogue was broken and Necro was a way to give the middle finger to rogues who were the most dominant class by far

Everyone was a rogue, like how everyone is a mage today

[ember dome]

everyone was rogue/ranger cuz poison damage and locking power back then too :(

[winged sable]

I think it was more so the hype around shadowstrike lol

Fun to use and op af back then. Insta tp to mob and does huge poison dmg. The money farming strats were farming shadowstrike tomes and the legendary Royal shadowstrike ring from ancient wyrm 😂

Because there were so many rogues. Don’t even get me started on the purple dl bottleneck lol. Basically what mages go through nowadays, by far the most popular class

Going off Epona statistics. Firestorm now on Epona is just as sought after as shadowstrike was in the old days

[ember dome]

could break the game with ss i remeber too

glitch into spots lol

[winged sable]

Yeah it completely broke the game meta wise and glitch wise 😂

[vagrant cargo]

We can all see your blue name

[open ember]

Not sure what the color means or what the point is there. We are talking about a game and your bringing discord status into it?

I’d worry more about myself in the game if I were u

[vagrant cargo]

U probably have zero 5s kills vs me tho 🤝

[open ember]

So your toons older but still terrible? Congrats

[open ember]

Keeping the nonsense going for absolutely no reason. Dms are still open

[vagrant cargo]

Guy brings up the damage he does vs mine then also says I’m spouting nonsense

[open ember]

Bringing up discord status when talking about mage buffs and nerfs like it means something

[vagrant cargo]

Relax firemage

[open ember]

Ur a scrub dawg

[vagrant cargo]

Biased firemage refuses to admit his class needs a nerf

[open ember]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-sad-upset-disappointed-sigh-gif-14295309

[strong dagger]

hes ice buddy

🤣

[vagrant cargo]

Actually he’s apparently a rogue

[mild cipher]

Nah . Just ice needs a little adjustment . No other class needs anything else . Maybe rangers xD
Warriors will be getting the kill for next upcoming boss .

[neat plover]

So that’s why shadow strike skill books where so expensive 🤣 I sold one for 350k on lugh a few years ago Lool

[ember dome]

blunt warrior best around town :)

[ivory halo]

A good solution

Fix for bt arc bands

DD for shards: 1000/2000/3000
Dd for misc: 1250/2000/2750

Make ice attune 50% stronger
-no points in buffing or nerfing ice shard and firebolt since both class use both skill...unless you a dodo mage .-. The only fix is increase dd from attunes

-reduce iceblast casting time by 50% with cdr by 50% as well

The only thing need changing is the bt gear, the attune and the blast

My ice mage on my server use firestorm x firebolt as well as shard and blast

Also druid most powerful class

They outdps dg ranger and rogues on gele prot and dhino necro hrung ev r ything

They also apparently can tank gele adds when doing xtals

Basically

They can do dps, support, and tank

All at the same time

[boreal wraith]

its a no for me

[neat plover]

To big of a buff 50% of anything and 3000 dmg from godly band is almost triple the original dmg. The dd of the charm maybe a good buff tho

50% reduced ice blast cast time would bring it down to 10 seconds (faster then shards) and would basically be a 10x better firebolt

Bt gear attune and blast do need a buff but 50% is to big the most id say is 20% dmg buff for blast/attune and 2k for godly bands instead of 1600

[neat plover]

Yeee

[winged sable]

I doubt they’re gonna change gear stats lol

[vagrant cargo]

Highly unlikely, changing items a player already has would cause outrage. Especially nerfs

[open ember]

Nobody would be outraged over having their gear buffed

[vagrant cargo]

yeah how about we buff firemage gear? im sure no one would be angry at that!

[open ember]

Right right. I must’ve missed all the suggestions about buffing fire gear on this post titled buff ice mages

[vagrant cargo]

When I say something stupid and the person I said it to immediately disproved it so now I have to act like it wasn’t the topic in the first place

[open ember]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-bitch-what-no-no-sense-gif-5596342

[thin cove]

conclusion of everything this topic has enough attention to do something with it @tardy bane @lilac thorn

[mild cipher]

all they need to fix is the gear stats and the damage pool. maybe reduce cd of ice blast by 2 seconds

[winged sable]

Devs have rarely changed gear stats in the past, and it was only done to fix mistakes that made it into live game somehow.

And when they did existing gear did not get updated, you had to obtain it all over again

So yeah some people would be pretty upset lol

[open ember]

We are also on the third company running this game. Learn from the past and adjust for the future. Whole post is just an argument at this point. Never going to get every player to agree on a fix.

Plenty of ideas have been presented. Up to deca to make the decision

[winged sable]

Somethin tells me the way the game is setup doesn’t allow for the changing of existing gear. 2011 styled game be like 🗿

[open ember]

Could also be a possibility. The ideas have been presented. I’m curious to see what happens now. I just hope ice gets the buff hahah

[lilac thorn]

📝

[mild cipher]

Bump we need answered

[neat plover]

Deca don’t wanna be prioritising blast

[late compass]

We must be persistent and comment on this thread every single day until devs make changes. Otherwise they will "forget" or something, This matter is of upmost importance ‼️

[forest sky]

They already acknowledged it a couple times in this thread, and more in previous threads that this copied. bumping this just hides other valid feedback and ideas from the rest of community

[neat plover]

Y’all still considering buffing ice mage? @tardy bane @lilac thorn

[ember dome]

no lol

ice mages get to stay only op on fire crystals for gele and thats it :)

[neat plover]

Nooooooooo:((

[vague axle]

ice mage doesnt deserve air to breath

[ivory halo]

Wdym

They good for phantom and flap in summons

+pyrus in o2

Ow*

Lure for druid

*hammer warriors

They are useful

And they also do way more dps than u think

They do more dmg over rangers

They are not the worst class

[drowsy knoll]

That's not hard to do

[real fog]

https://youtu.be/Pm3OcbNFJGE?si=H59q1E6_s46PK6Cs

[real fog]

Any trick how to solo edl bosses no damage 💔 @fervent wedge

[fervent wedge]

For mages i guess it's same way, 205 and 210 are weak to ice btw

[vague axle]

you're mentally challenged if you play icemage. Doesn't deserve buff

[neat plover]

So mean

[vagrant cargo]

this is why fire mages deserves to be nerfed

[vague axle]

mentally challenged ice mage spotted

[late compass]

Mentally challenged player spotted

[open ember]

🖤
@g.u.a.r.d.i.a.n

[open ember]

Ice mages are trash compared to their fire counterparts it’s a well known fact the numbers don’t lie. If buffing ice gear will require “too much work” on the devs end please allow me to reiterate what others have suggested. A drastic reduction in resistance to ice on all EGs to make us less sub par and for once a relevant force in this game. @lilac thorn

It’s 2023 ice mage buff when quadruple plat when

[paper shuttle]

mages way too op at EG anyways

should focus melee buffs

[vagrant cargo]

silence

ice mage sucks

[paper shuttle]

go 210 then if u feel weak

gg ez

make melee more viable on eg raids :)

[vagrant cargo]

bro just confirmed the only way ice mage is good is a boss that has very low ice resist

[ember dome]

yea thats why druid good at dhio and bt low magic resist

[vagrant cargo]

Shame there’s no good boss that has low ice resist

[neat plover]

Nah I still lose kill to our top fire mage on 210

[real fog]

I solo all frozen bos 6s no damage I don't think Ice mage suck 😆

@vagrant cargo @tardy bane
https://youtu.be/tYEU41WijvU?si=T7TsrFMrdWljlucn

[real fog]

If you want to have balance, it's easy Fire mages cannot use Ice mage skills such as Energy boost and energy shield.
@g.u.a.r.d.i.a.n

[eternal nymph]

that does nothing to help balance ice mages

[paper shuttle]

massive skill issue then

[neat plover]

I agree but he also op af

Ice mage can’t compete with fire

[paper shuttle]

your seriously playing it wrong

[neat plover]

Nooooo

I’m the second best ice mage in my clan

I’ll show you in a min

[paper shuttle]

no wonder fire beats you xd

running silverweb rings

[neat plover]

I’m in the comp clan in lugh

We all in silver web rings

And 1 is godly not all royal

[paper shuttle]

we were comp

but we won

was pretty easy

[neat plover]

this clan been dom for years

and all in dg and imperial bt bands

[paper shuttle]

ours was dom for 8 years

[neat plover]

Almost none of us have dg

[paper shuttle]

use ur brain to win :D

[neat plover]

Any piece

[wicked plover]

Just to let you know this guy is scammer @neat plover lol most of his clan gears are scammed and they use sold toons. want me to share ss here Kareem?

you will not like it believe me

[neat plover]

Thought it was you uae

[wicked plover]

finally I found you

ready to be exposed?

[vague axle]

damn title clearly relates to ice mage buff and somehow pegasus nabs needs to make it about clan drama again

[wicked plover]

haha scammers this is not drama

this is truth

[vague axle]

@long sparrow

[wicked plover]

you cant scam ppl and come and share your experience

[vague axle]

empty accusations cause youre salty youre losing necro locks to edl toons in full dg 😂

[wicked plover]

lol we were only 3

against sold toons

well I amexposing regardless

let have fun shall we

Kareem first

[neat plover]

How’s dred

I wanna know

[wicked plover]

you need to find out

with evidence

real evidence like the stuff I am sharing right now to public

[neat plover]

You can’t call me a scammer while useing a scammed toon bruh that’s the definition of a hypocrite

[vague axle]

Talking like anyone in here gives a damn about your ch drama 🥲

[neat plover]

Fr

[fluid citrus]

👋🏽

I agree with the title of this channel

[vague axle]

back to bashing ice mages, ice mage gameplay only reserved for the mentally challenged who like to wait 20 years for a skill cast

[wicked plover]

without evidence you cant talk

[eternal nymph]

Ice mages lure monkeys only 😔✊

[vague axle]

dont forget eboost/sacrifice more useful than blast 😄

[fluid citrus]

Hi surya

Been awhile

[eternal nymph]

Heyo

[neat plover]

Noooooo

I’m a decent dps

Lol

[violet otter]

No one cares about your server, we’re trying to make fun of ice mages for going ice

[violet otter]

If your losing any boss as a fire mage to an ice mage the lure is prob higher and/or your half afk/trash

[real fog]

Kill Bosses 6S No Damage No Freeze. 😆
https://youtu.be/oxb5izTFO0Y?si=NKpBFzGMklAteYaj

[violet otter]

Bruh if you couldn’t solo that at 220 you’d have a major problem