(Believe it or not) Grineer Interception Mission Delay Kill Tech

[stiff pike]

dont mention can be misinterpreted

[frosty spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqizz3CFuWU
odin delay 1r+2r 3000kills

[distant torrent]

+wisp

[hollow portal]

+wisp

[gloomy atlas]

next alator

[twilit portal]

so resupply elec?

[rugged salmon]

its good in practice on certain maps

mainly tyana callisto

[twilit portal]

cause i do feel maybe gas is delaying spawns 🤔

[rugged salmon]

thats the point

in theory its bad on tyana but killing fast enough for non gas to be better is insanely hard/impossible afaik

[twilit portal]

so in theory - the chosen one would run elec?

ty for clarifying that point ab gas tho : )

[mortal agate]

if u are going to use sobek use gas everywhere not infested

just dont mod sd unless tyana pass

no gas allowed on callisto

[rugged salmon]

how come?

[mortal agate]

its not good

but probably good for 99% of players

so you should use it

[rugged salmon]

alr

[mortal agate]

also i havent tested it too much

[rugged salmon]

both my callisto 1ks were triple cyte non gas

but i dont have enough plays on the map to be certain of anything

[mortal agate]

i mean 1k is normal amount

like u get that with gas

[rugged salmon]

one was closer to 1.1

[mortal agate]

if thats your target than use gas

ok but i mean expected ve wise

[rugged salmon]

lemme see if i dcan find it

1040 average on one

sat wasnt super good tho

9.2%

after looking through a few run showcases it does feel like we had better average with higher saturation

[twilit portal]

ty for the comments 🧙‍♂️

[agile geyser]

@sleek pasture @frosty spruce

780 expected

Odin

When 900 godroll ?

[undone sand]

Bro u don understand

We were highrolling so hard was 900 pace the 1st half

Endo game

[stiff pike]

its balancing out hardcore

[frosty spruce]

1r 300VE
10r 796VE
no GG

[stiff pike]

Godroll finally gg

[sour anchor]

ka supp

[frosty spruce]

In terms of delay tech, I’m above KA.

😈

[supple skiff]

Still possible to roll more

Just need to 0.0% godroll

[frosty spruce]

[stiff pike]

classic kr highroll giganet

[frosty spruce]

It seems to work on Alator / Umbriel.
Going to test it more thoroughly.

🧐

[agile geyser]

I am already a believer just ask John or zparca

[frosty spruce]

I tried a lot of delay tech on Cinxia as well, but in practice it didn’t have a major effect.
Sure, we got around 500 more kills, but it wasn’t decisive. (That amount could honestly just be attributed to RNG.)

I think it heavily depends on how wide the spawn points are on Grineer tilesets.
Even on Odin, there are places where waiting for enemies matters a lot, and places where it barely matters. If the space is too narrow, the amount of enemies that can spawn is limited no matter how long you wait. Most of Cinxia is like that.

However, Alator and Umbriel have several wide spawn areas, and it does seem to show some effect there, though I’m not confident enough to say for sure yet.

[frosty spruce]

Practice delay kills.

[agile geyser]

I’m good

[frosty spruce]

[agile geyser]

Lerris and eskord

[frosty spruce]

I’ll acknowledge your skill if you get 900VE in Odin.🧐

[agile geyser]

[frosty spruce]

do play odin

[agile geyser]

My last Odin was 550

Wdym 900

[frosty spruce]

[sour anchor]

@frosty spruce come with me to next odin

i will delay solo

i need your luck

[stiff pike]

alator is just well lootkng

[frosty spruce]

[maiden sierra]

@unkempt dune

[unkempt dune]

ty

[agile geyser]

It’s just rng

[stiff pike]

tng too

yes

but it your team loots across map and/or not efficient its gg

you will have less spawns

[agile geyser]

Yeah looting is important

Looting badly doesn’t affect your ve as much as rng tho

Looting and rng prolly the most important thing

You can lose like 1k spawns just from killing too fast as well against grin at least🥀

Just pray the kills per drone makes up for it I guess

[undone sand]

[frosty spruce]

+5 drone

[little hare]

profit

[left violet]

Using delayed kills on the Alator map is still just too crazy for me.

In other words—speaking as someone who isn't particularly skilled—does that count as a "delayed kill" on my part, too?

lmao

🤣

[mortal agate]

No

[stiff pike]

delaying means basically spawning in 1 3/4- 2 spawns conpletely!to guarantee the maximum amounts of drones possible at any given time

[serene snow]

come wisp ginger

[supple skiff]

Ninjer

[stiff pike]

im going bedge

https://tenor.com/view/blankies-blanket-gif-21124795

[frosty spruce]

odin

[sour anchor]

15% saturation

[frosty spruce]

1.6kills + 2300 drone

[sour anchor]

delay>sat?

[frosty spruce]

Even with high saturation, we probably wouldn’t have hit drone cap much.

I think that in Odin, whether saturation is 0% or 15%, you might not hit the drone cap.

[left violet]

crazy

[left violet]

So, is waiting longer the right thing to do?

[frosty spruce]

As written in the main post, you shouldn’t think of this as a simple time-based delay.

You should only observe visually and track how many spawns have occurred. Each point has a fixed limit on spawn cycles.

You roughly count it by eye, and before it reaches about 5–6 spawn cycles, you should clear the enemies that have appeared.

Assume the situation where each spawn can contain one drone.

Within the limit of not exceeding 5 spawns, you wait as much as possible for spawns.

Doing it this way may prevent hitting the cap.

Honestly, even in that 16k kill run, there were still some moments where kills were a bit too fast.
With a more perfect execution, 17k might even be possible.

But just as important as delay is the fast looting from experienced teammates.

[tawdry oriole]

@forest prairie

[sour anchor]

so you think in each group of enemies, there should be how many enemies until you kill them?

when i delay, i shoot when i notice 1 additional spawn after the initial one

[frosty spruce]

It’s not about counting individual enemies.

You look at how many times the spawn has occurred.

Assume roughly one drone per spawn, and since each spawn point has a different maximum number of spawn ticks, what matters is tracking the spawn “ticks” themselves.

Because the drone cap is 5, you shouldn’t let it go past about 5–6 ticks of accumulation.

So the key is watching the actual spawn cycles, not the number of enemies.

[sour anchor]

ok so i want 5-6 ticks of enemy spawns, then i shoot

[frosty spruce]

You need to keep a wide visual focus on all spawn points.

[sour anchor]

lemme help explain this up if anyones still confused;

on odin, you'll notice enemies spawn in smaller groups compared to other maps. when you are delay killing, watch the minimap very carefully. You'll see enemies spawn in "ticks" as per kaworus word. these ticks can occur in the same, or different spot so you need to keep an eye out. you need to assess case by case, and spawn by spawn the ticks to know when to shoot. for the simplest possible explanation, allow enemies to spawn but stay under the drone cap, this will take practice, there is no "optimal time" to delay or specific "amount of enemies", because each spawn behaves differently, spawns different amounts of enemies at different intervals. As a general rule of thumb, you can allow 4-5 ticks of small enemy groups to spawn before shooting

.
delay for the most part is done by host, however spawns can sometimes rapidly ramp up, which is why usually host and client will vc and host will tell client when they can shoot and help (when ticks go past 4-5 rapidly). usually, spawns will ramp up beyond delayability when there is a longer pause than usual inbetween spawns, kind of like a calm before the storm.

[little hare]

Shoot red dots

[sour anchor]

shut yo chinese ass up

[little hare]

Ok mb

[frosty spruce]

[stiff pike]

btw have you tried delay tech on lets say 50 fps in contrast to 200 and check how long it needs to spawn fully in

[sour anchor]

kaworus pov and mine do look different, but i'd need a side by side comparison

[stiff pike]

bcs spawns tend to take like a few moments to spawn everything in

would be asuprise if anything calculating would be influenced by fps

[frosty spruce]

this game is trash, so it might actually be possible.

[supple skiff]

kill arbi

[rigid steeple]

tldr?

[supple skiff]

odin bad

delay bad

[undone sand]

[supple skiff]

currently theres a bug from release of arbitrations known as "delay tech"

[stiff pike]

currently theres a bug from release of arbitrations known as "shotgun lag"

[frosty spruce]

[fluid sorrel]

What other maps deserve attention and require testing, speaking of map structure?

[supple skiff]

every interception

[frosty spruce]

For now, we’ve confirmed that it definitely works on Odin/Umbriel/Alator, and when we tested other maps before, the effect wasn’t very significant.
Cinxia might still be worth trying more, but fundamentally the spawn points are too narrow, so I think its potential is probably low.

Honestly, I’m not sure whether the other factions are even meaningful.
I’ll probably test them a bit more at least once, but I think I’ve already experimented with them enough.

[agile geyser]

Whenever I play on 60 fps host enemies actually move on slow motion

Kaworu let me host wisp you and John client

900 expected trust

If I’m not shooting I can get 400+ as host ez

Maybe 500 if I lower pov and look at floors

[gloomy atlas]

all supports should play low fov and look at floor perma

would be optimal

[little hare]

^^

dps should do the same

[undone sand]

[sour anchor]

@frosty spruce

i suggested this to him, but he said no

[sour anchor]

[undone sand]

i mean its odin so probably doable

[sour anchor]

but then delay will be unoptimal

1 extra enemy tick will spawn by the time u shoot

[fluid sorrel]

is 830 on odin have to be average?

[mortal agate]

830 avg is only if u delay really well

[frosty spruce]

[fluid sorrel]

i did 771 average 😭

[mortal agate]

thats pretty good

[frosty spruce]

good

[ashen lotus]

dn average

[frosty spruce]

[hollow portal]

[frosty spruce]

[sour anchor]

[hollow portal]

Kowaru does not speak any longer

Only

[sour anchor]

[frosty spruce]

[little hare]

[tawdry oriole]

Can u delay on mithra?

[gloomy atlas]

uhh i think not really

[tawdry oriole]

Endo map