#Thermal sunder causing performance issues for host boar

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lavish mesa
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holy terrorism

vale ridge
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Greens loading into stier tiles for couple hundred ve is good kek

unreal depot
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Learning experience

paper gazelle
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learn dn

unreal depot
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Nah but even the greenies are getting like 700ve from em

paper gazelle
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fk no

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maybe fake greenies

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but newbies are getting like 200-300

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from s-tiers

unreal depot
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Even 500 ve runs would be old S tier

paper gazelle
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but honestly i think a good fix

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wouldbe to color code

unreal depot
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If they cant manage that its over

paper gazelle
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current tier list

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with difficulty

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so like s can still be s

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but with red colored

unreal depot
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Ngl yeah thats a cool idea

paper gazelle
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bc even in like B-tier

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u have

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slop and odin maps

lavish mesa
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yeha color code it and then add a gradient on top and some glitter there

paper gazelle
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which should be easy (green)

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i mean u prob only need like 3 colors

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green yellow red

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should be good enough

unreal depot
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Geek already has the code for colors

lusty bear
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tier list is astronomically better than before

unreal depot
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Tho he aint in town

lavish mesa
unreal depot
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Colors would be cool but i like how clean it is now

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Im not sure which style I would prefer

lusty bear
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I would keep each tier to its own color, but I wouldn't make the colors so harsh in terms of dropping, like instead of a gradient from green to red (blue s) it should be from green to orange (blue s), subtle change but I think better imo

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doesn't really matter though

lavish mesa
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just have it in the guide

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why add even moreg colours

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if they domt read, unlucky

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add sves dps playlist link (if it ismt yet)

paper gazelle
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i dont think u need gradient

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just do green yellow red

unreal depot
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Add whole rainbow

paper gazelle
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colored names

lavish mesa
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add playlist, add like diff ratimgs on guide

unreal depot
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Each letter of map name with diff color. And each color will tell some info

paper gazelle
lavish mesa
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people should read or shouldmt think about joining an actual lobby anyways

unreal depot
lusty bear
paper gazelle
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660 in 60 min

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on easy map

lavish mesa
lusty bear
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the current one is a gradient

paper gazelle
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lowkey its free

lavish mesa
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thats ose ratings

unreal depot
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But im down to recalculate the disputed tiles with a bigger sample size after my exams over

paper gazelle
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with green yellow red based on difficulty

lusty bear
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we're talking about different things

lavish mesa
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MAKE THEM READ GUIDE

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playlist

lusty bear
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but that idea kinda ahh ngl

paper gazelle
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oestrus is S

lavish mesa
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xd

paper gazelle
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55 min * 12 is 660 ve

unreal depot
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I got like 500 ve run with good dps 😭

paper gazelle
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ive been getting ~650-700 expected every run

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maybe S is a stretch

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A fs tho

lusty bear
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suspicious ngl

unreal depot
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Ill check the rates again later

paper gazelle
lavish mesa
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fullspread gas is the way

lusty bear
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how you getting 700 in that shit map

unreal depot
paper gazelle
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u seen logs?

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idk if we submitted

lusty bear
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least fun map of all time

lavish mesa
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i would have gotten 640 + first time both ainikki and me

paper gazelle
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^ yeah first time 640

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surely thats A tier worthy

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like its easy and high VE

lusty bear
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nah fug that map put it Z tier

lavish mesa
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well if u gas it down

unreal depot
median mist
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idk why its still F tier

lavish mesa
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or if ppl stop using non vspread sobek and do pikachu face

median mist
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unrionically good map

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@unreal depot do u use vicious boar

unreal depot
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:3

lavish mesa
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unironically gas borr

median mist
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what rank

unreal depot
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5

median mist
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liar

unreal depot
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Bruh

median mist
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shameless

lusty bear
median mist
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48min 600ve

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like what

unreal depot
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Do 40min 34 ve

lusty bear
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bro these guys so desperate to make every map high tier to play more

median mist
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id delete that message too

lusty bear
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but really you should be trying to play less

median mist
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shit is not F tier

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thats just slander

lusty bear
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E tier

lavish mesa
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yeah i get timeouted whil other ppl spam it

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favoritism

median mist
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put stofler z tier

unreal depot
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Lets make S tier 15+ ve/min so we don't need to play that much

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And A 14+

lusty bear
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listen if people submitted runs

lavish mesa
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listen

lusty bear
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I can make you the best tier list known to man

median mist
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tyana only posts 1.1ks no 900s

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im submitting my 5ve tyana to analyzer to mess your data up

lusty bear
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don't worry I'll deal with the bias with a human in the loop system where I choose my favorite maps to go on higher tiers

unreal depot
median mist
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put ads on the website if they dont upload

lusty bear
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why ads

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just make it download a virus

median mist
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💸

lusty bear
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installs a completely harmless virus that just submits runs

median mist
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hirschi u too old to be using emojis like that

lavish mesa
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so what we gonna do about that

median mist
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idk

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i can always get smarter

lusty bear
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it's OK unc

median mist
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u cant get any younger

lavish mesa
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your brain capabilities are regressing already

median mist
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rip my caoabilities

lavish mesa
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missing roars and afentis wont help

median mist
lavish mesa
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back to topic, do sunder

unreal depot
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Ima repost the videos

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Need to farm views

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New sunder info just dropped

Sunder lag may actually be tied to sunder dmg%. Heres a few clips that suggest that. Clips are from client pov so it may not be the same as host. ImDyingLaughing did not lag even with high sunder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qsrka-ArEI 3w of no sunder + 3w of sunder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK694R3FQmQ 3w of low sunder

I did also test smite + shock + sunder for a combined 650% + 950% + 1300% = 2900% elemental buff. This did not cause lag.

-# ignore the skill issue pls. Idk the spawns on this tile 😭

YouTube
_Diza
Taranis high sunder
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YouTube
_Diza
Taranis low sunder
▶ Play video
lavish mesa
unreal depot
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Mouse was going to second monitor and activating incarnon with lag

lavish mesa
spring hamlet
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we need a mathematician

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high sunder low roar wouldnt lag

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its cos ur dealing damage cap with every shot of a high rof shotgun

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damage cap can be laggy with a sniper

lavish mesa
spring hamlet
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then u were dealing damage cap before too

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10 stacks of blast is another 3x mult

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arbi players be like

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unreal depot
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Elemental dmg with even higher % buff than sunder do not seem to lag tho...

spring hamlet
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yeah i think its cos of the blast status being such a high multiplier

vale ridge
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Killing slow gives more ve

spring hamlet
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tho someone did say they got the big ee.log with shock

vale ridge
unreal depot
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Also hitting int limit doesn't lag by default

spring hamlet
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i just did a run with it tho and didnt get any

unreal depot
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U can get high af dmg with vaubro

spring hamlet
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it will lag if u do it thousands of times per second

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which is why its probably worse on client

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cos ur gunnu be hitting enemies more cos of client host desync

unreal depot
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Classic case of needs more testing

spring hamlet
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its really difficult to standardise testing on this

unreal depot
spring hamlet
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if we can somehow get ppl to submit what their team comps were and if they got "DamagePct" a bunch in their logs that would help

unreal depot
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If we could even get em to submit any runs on sves tool it would be nice 😭

median mist
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@unreal depot wait so u deadass use r5 vicious boar?

paper gazelle
timid gazelle
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rhino/vauban sunder / wisp bb reallyThink

paper gazelle
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And how u go vauban sunder wisp bb

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WTB roar

timid gazelle
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shh

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i only just cooked it up

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needs a bit more polish peepoDented

paper gazelle
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Rhino sunder could work tho

timid gazelle
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it avoids the issue of sunder % going too high

paper gazelle
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I like the range on bb but idk if its that important

timid gazelle
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not rly

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gives some freedom of placement but most camp spots have some corner u can shove it in

pseudo night
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problem is just blasT THermal in general

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at least for me

paper gazelle
timid gazelle
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i think baseline, any sunder can be trouble, cause we had a run where we kinda tested diff things, only weapons/companions that were outputting the dmgpct line were companions, but irregardless of what sunder flavor it was.

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though it is curious why it was companions only

lavish mesa
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It was trouble like when looting and near the host it was dropping fps (host not nasa at all though) no issue with nasa

timid gazelle
lavish mesa
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semi 1 ele

timid gazelle
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curious

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suppose i'd like to test rhino sunder wisp bb and see how that goes

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@paper gazelle good point about the vauban thing though, needs more time in the thought cabinet

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client sunder angle prolly

paper gazelle
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i mean u just have client run it

timid gazelle
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yee

paper gazelle
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ppl stopped just because it was 2 hand cast but

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dotn think it ever caused issues before

timid gazelle
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not to my knowledge no

spring hamlet
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personally i have lagged using sunder as client but i didnt check ee.log so it might just be high ms/fr boar

median mist
paper gazelle
timid gazelle
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i did say vauban

lavish mesa
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vauban roar

spring hamlet
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finally saryn roar

timid gazelle
lavish mesa
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optimal

unreal depot
vale ridge
paper gazelle
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citrine > rhino solo dps

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surely wisp can hit 1 dpser

timid gazelle
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we're just icarusmaxxing now 😔

vale ridge
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wisp sunder rhino bb and vauban infested mobility 🔥

paper gazelle
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infested mobility is fire

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or try nezha subsume

lavish mesa
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inf mobility wisp

timid gazelle
vale ridge
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if you have a decent enough sc riven for boar there is nothing else to slot really i prefer ressuplying comfortably

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interception atleast

paper gazelle
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and im not sure if it applies to allies

timid gazelle
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ehh

paper gazelle
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so its just a worse infested mobility

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well actualyl somewhat different

timid gazelle
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surely if you leave the fire trail in spawns it can help with clearing reallyThink

paper gazelle
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fire walker is move speed

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infested is sprint and parkour

strange jetty
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bro presses resupply 2k more times than everyone else talking about some resupplying comfortably

median mist
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the LEGENDARY

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PLANET SPLITTING SOBEK

timid gazelle
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@unreal depot https://youtu.be/4rkQOMHJdYI

half the round without sunder just to show i lag on the map without it, other half with it, to my eye it remains much the same.

eelog ended at roughly 30mb which i think is entirely fine (could've been cut down if i didn't mess up the sunder % during prebuff which brings up an interesting point that it seems to both check it and error it each tick, least thats what im assuming the numbers on the left side of the eelog mean)

host didn't have any hitreg issues or anything of the sort that at least i've experienced with sunder past 2k%.

YouTube
Yuho
client sunder test
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conclusion is idk, client sunder or rhino sunder with bb on wisp

timid gazelle
unreal depot
unreal depot
timid gazelle
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fair enough, though i'd go the method of avoiding any chance of it happening at all

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but aye, true

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will have to do some napkin math to figure out the client build that hits the sweetspot %

unreal depot
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Definitely. And more testing to even find the sweet spot and if its different with vauban or diff roar values

timid gazelle
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didn't have any issues with vauban on mithra

unreal depot
timid gazelle
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no, crux, my pc hates umbriel

spring hamlet
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for a run i just did it has this many error logs in 1 tick for example

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timid gazelle
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not good

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least we got something that might work now, just gotta get some testing in

spring hamlet
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this is what i got for a run a few days ago

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1000-2000 error logs per 0.1s

strange jetty
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is sunder making client lag more

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does any1 know

unreal depot
unreal depot
slow nova
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Maybe disabling "reduce teammate's effect" or whatever its called ingame could help

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worth testing ig

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ideally full squad needs try to disabling/enabling it

strange jetty
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low sunder

unreal depot
unreal depot
timid gazelle
lusty bear
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simple coincidence

slow nova
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so client need to run sunder again? reallyThink

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and wisp shock/smit

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e*

lusty bear
slow nova
lavish mesa
slow nova
lavish mesa
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or like that

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if client isnt on weaker pc id still pref wisp sunder though

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also casting wise

pallid kelp
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hm is wisp ts unlinked

slow nova
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why if you can have other buff linked

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you just losing dmg that way if wisp cast unlinked ts

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+annyoing to do

lavish mesa
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annoying to do is casting sunder on client tbh

slow nova
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it is ngl

unreal depot
minor knot
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apparently my team is dying when over 1.2k-1.3k between it

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if it goes around 1.8k people die

timid gazelle
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client build 70% str on sunder or wisp unlinked

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think emp more cozy tho catThumbsUp

paper gazelle
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no room for sunder with infested mobility lookUp

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jk just make client go sunder tbh

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and have em slot cast speed

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and natural talent

timid gazelle
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2x cast + natural pretty nice imo

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especially with the freedom to mod whatever you want cause no str modding

paper gazelle
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yuh

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vault umbral intensify

spring hamlet
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I'm trina make a program that looks at the DamagePct events and analyses them. Its a bit messy rn but this is for a run where client was using sunder and mostly doing just heat sunder but sometimes they did blast. This shows all of the damage cap events in the run for client and host.

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timid gazelle
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you able to track at what % it starts causing issues with that?

unreal depot
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remember what % sunder client had btw?

spring hamlet
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with blast 1400% ish and we had 500% roar

lavish mesa
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need to track percentages

timid gazelle
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pardon for spam but forgot to send, this was for the alator at 1500% sunder sharp.

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unreal depot
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i did 2x alator. One was like 10mb log and other 50mb

Blast was casted with link once on the 50mb run...

spring hamlet
timid gazelle
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aye

timid gazelle
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probably at least 100k lines due to that, im guessing

spring hamlet
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I think solely looking at sunder % isnt enough because vauban/rhino/wisp matters too for how much damage you deal. So ideally all buffs would need to be tracked

timid gazelle
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hvaen't done enough runs with vauban after testing started but on the few i did didn't have any issues

spring hamlet
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I have done runs with vauban and rhino both getting dmgcap, the first graph i did a few days ago with vauban and this one is rhino.

unreal depot
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hmm.. Gotta test low sunder with vaubro and see if its too much

timid gazelle
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i was fine at around 1500%, no pct shenanigans

lavish mesa
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so vauban roar?

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Client sunder?

timid gazelle
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client sunder for now, or unlinked wisp

lavish mesa
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Like jjust seeing numbers alrd there, that will be dmg cap like Easily

vale ridge
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Not tech

paper gazelle
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do not the vauban roar

vale ridge
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You gotta nuke the log so hard it just drops ve everywhere

timid gazelle
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but is it crying about damage cap specifically? the way im reading and understanding the error is that its crying about a damage % of something, in this case sunder, being too high. would imagine damagecap error of a comparable line to be worded differently. to add to this, is this at all comparable to when volt had his issues with shock reaching too high a %, was it 1500% or whatever? did not play enough then to have paid any attention to it

paper gazelle
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no way its dmg cap issue

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dmg cap is way to ohigh

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ur not hitting it

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but the % might be a combo of multiple buffs

timid gazelle
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but i think its specifically tied to sunder and not general damage cap, or an issue with elemental buffs as a whole, sunder being the only one that can reach a % that high in a conventional setting

lavish mesa
paper gazelle
unreal depot
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it has to be something else since I tested 2.7k sunder lagged and in the same run 2.9k total elemental didnt lag

paper gazelle
lavish mesa
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Its not dmg cap, otherwise vauban lobbies would have nuked

timid gazelle
unreal depot
lavish mesa
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everything in this spaghetti code is elemental fuckery

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we know this since the 0 dmg drone shit

paper gazelle
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bro my gas clouds do 1 dmg ticks

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😭

unreal depot
vale ridge
timid gazelle
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so it would point towards it being an issue if any 1 buffs reaches too high a %

lavish mesa
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dmg cap causing this and not sunder is cap

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elemental*

timid gazelle
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would ig like to test this if its replicable with shock/smite etc.

spring hamlet
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i think ppl are forgetting blast has an up 3x damage mult

paper gazelle
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yeah def not dmg cap

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@spring hamlet yes but

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what dmg numbers are u hitting

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beause theyre doing this interception also

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even with 3x

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its not close to dmg cap

vale ridge
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Isn’t there seperate instances of dmg

spring hamlet
vale ridge
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You most the time don’t see cap

lavish mesa
vale ridge
paper gazelle
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yes but

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look vauban

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40x dmg

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no issues

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its not the dmg

timid gazelle
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^^^^^

paper gazelle
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but also i have played vauban sc blast no lag even with 2k sunder

spring hamlet
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its whatever tf DamagePct means lmao

vale ridge
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It’s the blas animation

timid gazelle
lavish mesa
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i just gas sobek it up every map

paper gazelle
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could be a settings thing

paper gazelle
lavish mesa
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on oestrus btw

paper gazelle
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on oestrus yeah

lavish mesa
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boar gas

paper gazelle
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id ont think they spawn boilers

vale ridge
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Ngl I noticed this cuz like whenever I’m looting if they spawn on top of me and my blast procs my fps does drop hella

lavish mesa
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just ass on grineer

vale ridge
unreal depot
lavish mesa
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but who cares about grineer at this point

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koreans do it too on tyana

vale ridge
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It’s like when you’re killing the enemies as khora in endo it just tanks hella

spring hamlet
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what i do know 100% is the thing causing the lag is the error log cos that is way too much logging for even regular programs

lavish mesa
vale ridge
timid gazelle
vale ridge
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I play capped 260 tbh

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I only uncap for endo

timid gazelle
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or i wouldn't say its the logging by itself but more so that the logging is evidence of the game shitting itself

paper gazelle
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endo 🥀

spring hamlet
lavish mesa
vale ridge
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🥀

lavish mesa
royal fog
lavish mesa
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cant wait to gas odin

unreal depot
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go gas cinxia

lavish mesa
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reverse leak kaworu tech

vale ridge
paper gazelle
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it was like 500 ve

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🤣

lavish mesa
spring hamlet
lavish mesa
paper gazelle
timid gazelle
paper gazelle
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i used to cascade until that shit takes 0 skill and its sleeperfest

lavish mesa
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we all talk about winmax, but not lossmax

vale ridge
lavish mesa
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think about it

royal fog
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rubba confirmed mercy player

vale ridge
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I play Cassidy

timid gazelle
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predscan 🥀

paper gazelle
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LFG league players

lavish mesa
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overwatch top fantasy game

royal fog
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"his heal slut" bro gtfo my game

lavish mesa
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closely followed by valo

vale ridge
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🥀

paper gazelle
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where league players at

vale ridge
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Lfg in league is easy

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But just solo q ranked

paper gazelle
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boring

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GM is too much LP rn

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i cant be bothered

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to play that many games

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its like 1k lp for GM

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🥀

unreal depot
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nah get league out of my thread

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gross

vale ridge
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Just go to masters and quit

paper gazelle
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im masters

vale ridge
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Game is gg for you then

paper gazelle
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and yeah semi quit

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but like 1k lp

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is so cursed

vale ridge
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No point in playing more unless you want to go pro

paper gazelle
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yeah basically

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but i mean if GM was lower

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i would play maybe

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aint no fking way im going 1k lp for GM

vale ridge
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Step in

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@selene

royal fog
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I ain't downloading the game back for quick play 🥀

vale ridge
median mist
sweet sandal
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@unreal depot Do you have any advice for mitigating sunder lag/crashes? I saw this after our client cyte crash and I feel bad like I caused it

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was 1700% blast sunder

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and my game freezes very often throughout idk if that is sunder

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I went back to directX 11 after

cyan pilot
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Donr sunder

unreal depot
sweet sandal
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is smite really a good option? Better safe than sorry since cyte crash is common?

unreal depot
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if you only want elemental dmg its good

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but for sc boar builds you need blast

sweet sandal
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I did have a client cyte crash yesterday too when I was using high percent blast sunder

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ok I'll just ask them to use sobek then

sonic mantle
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can confirm, 1.3k is about the sweetspot for me as well

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Ts on client/host is also a decent workaround but it’s annoying to cast

sweet sandal
sonic mantle
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ye

sweet sandal
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so if there is 2 sobek no boar should I do heat sunder or just do 1.3k blast sunder

sonic mantle
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blast sunder only makes a huge diff for boar but if you can upkeep 1.3k blast its better for sobek as well

royal fog
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ban sunder!

lusty bear
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my 998 alator was with 2600% sunder

spring hamlet
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@lethal gate

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The round ended around 8000 timestamp

lethal gate
spring hamlet
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Well stopping link on venom dose did definitely stop it

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cos there was no more after the 6940.999 timestamp

lethal gate
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bad analysis

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because cyte also haden't vector pad at the end

spring hamlet
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yeah bro its not conclusive but its data

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this was with 2 cyte, rhino, wisp emp. where client had sunder and was mostly using heat sunder

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but sometimes they would do blast and from the logs it looks like thats when they were

spring hamlet
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(and then u griefed my scientific study by adding more variables like not venom doseing the cyte but whatever lmao)

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oh look thats strange it seems to be doing it for ogris but not cyte near the end

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wonder what could cause that

lethal gate
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Ok, so what's the conclusion ?
Because "massive" write async doesn't mean it creates lags

spring hamlet
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uhh

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17000 times per second it probably would cause lag

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but i dont have an exact conclusion on if the logging itself is the lag or some stupid shit in de code

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im guessing probably both

spring hamlet
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mainly disk write speed

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and ram stuff

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more disk write speed cos thats the weakest link

lethal gate
spring hamlet
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yeah but the slower the write speed the more it needs to queue

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meaning flushes cause more lag

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this is also assuming de has propper async logging which is a big gamble

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i get ur point tho with not controlling a lot of the variables but theres only so much i can do given i only get the chance to collect data so often

lethal gate
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If I/O costs causes lags we'll see (well I have a 15G gen5 nvme but still noticable)

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However, I can't control the gpu costs

spring hamlet
lethal gate
spring hamlet
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New Data :)

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Host:

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Client:

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Data from both host and client's ee.logs

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From what I have found so far it looks like any elemental damage buff higher than 1283 causes lag

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I have not found the exact value that triggers the error log but its somewhere between 1283 and 1400

lavish mesa
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DONT USE ANY RANGE ON SUNDER TOO

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79 on WISP NOT more prolly it also lags with higher range

spring hamlet
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@lusty bear btw the number at the end of the error log correlates the the % of elemental damage bonus e.g 20.0000 = 2000%

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perhaps if a certain tool looked for the lowest of these values from any run we could find the cutoff point

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also regex slow :3

lusty bear
lethal gate
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10r odin

spring hamlet
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was the new tech good?

lethal gate
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We've tried with nokko

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And I was 1200% blast so it's ok

spring hamlet
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were u client or host?

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bruh

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kill me

lethal gate
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wooow

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holly

spring hamlet
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it might be that null thing

lethal gate
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No because I did it

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and I'm still on the game

spring hamlet
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did u have this file?

lethal gate
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You have to ticket DE

lethal gate
spring hamlet
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damn i forgot to

lethal gate
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before restarting my game

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Hoo you think it's about this ?

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Because it detected "more files" ?

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hummm

spring hamlet
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yeah thats the only thing i can thing

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and null could cause weird shit to happen anyway that might flag stuff

lethal gate
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Ask them the reason of ur ban

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If it's a third party software, you might get hard time, but if it's not, you can easly tell them

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I feel mad to not remind it to you after the arbi runs we did

spring hamlet
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yeah dw ur good

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ill email support and see what i can do

lethal gate
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Ik how painfull it is to get 2035 for nothing

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I tried to use memory leaker fix one day because my PC wasn't that great + an updated destroyed arbis and ...

spring hamlet
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DE when we try to make their game run better reallySus

lethal gate
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But in EULA, we're not able to touch memory while Warframe is running, so, I've lost my 3K hours account

lusty bear
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bro they just throwing bans like it's nothing

spring hamlet
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I think it might have been autodetected cos I had a file left over in my local warframe appdata called NUL

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from testing if symlinking ee.log to NUL affected lag

lusty bear
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outrageous move to do

spring hamlet
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yeah lol

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and windows does this when i try to delete it

lusty bear
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🤣 🤣

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it's like an orchestrated scam or something

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you put 1 foot in and they shut the doors

lethal gate
unreal depot
lusty bear
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why symlink the log though

lethal gate
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because readonly might create full expeptions and we wanted to try this

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(in the end, warframe creates an other file, so it was useless -_-

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Nokko cookin

lethal gate
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1380% no lags / logs*

pallid kelp
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ive been doing non linked client ts

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800ish% and no lags whatsoever

lethal gate
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Personally, I used this :

del "\\?\%LOCALAPPDATA%\Warframe\NUL"
spring hamlet
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yeah i did that

lavish mesa
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with no real walls 1400 was okay for me (low fps but thats on the pc)

whole cape
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As someone who has played both even with -sd

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Sc evo is just worse than sc cc evo without vauban

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If ur rhino misses link once despairge

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Kpm straight to the gutter

strange jetty
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huh

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ive played boar sc evo on defense corpus and infested with no vauban

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only didnt work at wave 90+ for grineer

unreal depot
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ngl we should have rhino build more str anyways.

How did we end up at 280% range and like 80s duration anyways

strange jetty
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lazy support players

unreal depot
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ngl if the rhino misses linked roar with those stats the rhino is cooked

lavish mesa
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Dont know when the str max build was changed or why even, was during my hiatus

spring hamlet
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prolly cos ppl dont trust randoms and after a point more strength makes no difference

lusty bear
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what's the point of a gorgillion strength if my shitter support can't hit it

unreal depot
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we need a good balance

paper gazelle
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Well with 280% range 60s, every roar should be linked

unreal depot
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every roar should be linked with 200% range 😭

paper gazelle
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If ur dps loots in same direction yeah

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But also u dont gotta think about anything

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If ur roar is guaranteed to hit

unreal depot
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u get like 3 chances per 60s to roar once

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surely the dps are in the right spot

paper gazelle
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Its different in interception bc u cant time ur links

unreal depot
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poll_question_text

Do you lag with sunder and what graphics API do you use?

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minor knot
spring hamlet
pseudo night
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gg

astral vigil
spring hamlet
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rip 2.5k hrs

astral vigil
spring hamlet
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i wasnt

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i was trying to improve their damn game

astral vigil
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they really should atleast specify what software was even running

astral vigil
spring hamlet
lavish mesa
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xdd

astral vigil
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no shit bro you look like you’re scraping game engine data no wonder

spring hamlet
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it was from the ee.log file

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not during runtime

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thats fully allowed

astral vigil
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not during runtime?

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damn

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how would they even detect if you’re not running wf when u use that

spring hamlet
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The thing that flagged the anticheat was me accidentally making an empty file called NUL

spring hamlet
astral vigil
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well rip

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is it hardware ban

pallid kelp
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ip ban?

lavish mesa
pseudo night
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hardware ban

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all the 2035

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are hwids

pallid kelp
lavish mesa
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ggs

astral vigil
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spoofer time clueless

pallid kelp
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i mean no matter what type of ban id stop playing icl starting a new acc aint it on games like this

astral vigil
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ooh yeah

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trying to recover that progress would be a pain

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hop on ow bro @spring hamlet

spring hamlet
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ew

pseudo night
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its gonna be a few things that get marked

vale ridge
spring hamlet
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is this related to this issue?

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i cant see it

strange jetty
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ban sunder

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why did it get worse than before

vale ridge
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its so terrible

strange jetty
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I was able to play full sunder str before when diza made this now i cant run any sunder

vale ridge
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even as solo dps

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its terrible

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not even a pc issue

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just they manage to absolutley cook it somehow

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if sunder is even close to 1k i can feel lag

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if sc build prolly best to just have low sunder from client and then vuaban i guess

paper gazelle
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rhino is endo

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always vauban

vale ridge