#Kuva Sobek damage scaling with Cyte 09

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desert cloud
rain coral
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:O

desert cloud
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This thread is meant to show the ridiculous amount of damage that Cyte can achieve with the Sobek with an optimal setup

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This functions is meant too show the final damage of the Sobek before considering faction weaknesses or damage falloff

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All variables are listed on the image if you find any incoherence let me know reallyCool

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The following graph was done in accordance too these builds

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Considering a Cyte with 5 tau elec shards with a Jade and a Wisp hitting a 3.93544 roar, (final damage may be higher on average when linked since it increases weapon damage and resupply strength, shock trooper should always be casted on link) The sobek used for this test has a 60% valence bonus.

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This graph ignores the use of both nourish and shock trooper

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It is also worth considering that we're talking of a single pellet of the weapon, YES a single pellet: this only serves too show the stupidity of Cyte's damage.

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Even crazier is the fact that the build on the sobek lacks a mod (that should be reserved for rivens)

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Considering that the strongest enemies on the game have arround 54 milion EHP we can confidentily say that Cyte doesn't care about enemy scaling.

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Furthermore all damage buffing aside from roar is kinda pointless on him as well as the use of galvanized savvy since you won't be hitting your second pellet either way.

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This just serves too show that the most important part of playing Cyte is having a Wisp that knows how too re link reallyCool

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If we fix Cyte's strength at 400% (a rather conservative value) and plot with fb as our changing variable we get the following

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Left value is the damage without roar while right is with a 3.93544 roar (that should be the average value of roar with a Jade)

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Still worth considering is that Multishot is the most valuable riven stat, not because of it's damage potential, rather for the increased probability of hitting an enemy.

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btw i'm too lazy too do the acid shells calculations (i refuse too go into enemy max health calculations and damage falloff of acid shells), just get some electric damage, faction bonuses and strength too nuke catThumbsUp

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Oh and for the funnies just know that a headshot of the sobek can easily reach damage cap caught

desert cloud
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Oh yeah if you see lower numbers in mission it's just cause this calculations take into account all 3 sobek hits (inital hit, resupply, electric proc fromr resupply) so if the first hit kills the next 2 won't be displayed at all.

sand ice
desert cloud
fluid thistle
tidal gull
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@zinc rover wet dream fr

zinc rover
silent shell
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Sobek math excel. You can somewhat calculate expected dmg with electric resupply with this.

sowwy to anyone without excel, Idk how to make it with google sheets

📎 Sobek_math.xlsx
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HMU if there are any mistakes

silent shell
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Numbers match the math

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desert cloud
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i had a small mistake on the function, overall damage got slightly up catThumbsUp

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first one is the toggle hs function second one is just body shots (the second one is in fact readable)

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desert cloud
sweet pollen
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Any sobek valence bonus can be used?

silent shell
sweet pollen
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Got today toxin sobek 54%, at end of week will try this setup

silent shell
upbeat cypress
silent shell
desert cloud
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Just avoid toxin with a Saryn too avoid a bug that deletes your damage

upbeat cypress
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Thanks @silent shell and @desert cloud reallyCool knowledge is power

drifting quarry
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yesterday I play with one guy using cyte and sobek, maybe he's on this group

silent shell
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Random boar calc made in 20min
I dont guarantee its correct or I didnt forget anything

📎 Boar_calc.xlsx
merry sedge
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@slow crystal

desert cloud
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Alongside @marsh estuary we tested Resupply on Client and discovered even more quirks on it's behavior:

  1. Resupply is based on the recipient strength not the casters, so if for example a teammate let's say a Baruuk picks up resupply, it's strength will be based on Baruuks strength instead of Cyte's.

  2. Resupply won't proc on Acid shells on Client or on Host if the Host isn't playing Cyte and picks up a resupply from a Client Cyte, it will always work as intended on Host Cyte tho, even if the ammo comes from a Client Cyte.

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  1. Resupply behaves differently with faction damage on client
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Faction damage calculation for Host:

-First hit: faction multipliers apply once [damage x (1+faction)]
-Second hit: faction multipliers apply twice [damage x (1+faction)^2]
-Third hit: faction multipliers apply thrice [damage x (1+faction)^3]

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Faction damage calculation for Client:

-First hit: faction multipliers apply once [damage x (1+faction)]
-Second hit: faction multipliers apply once [damage x (1+faction)]
-Third hit: faction multipliers apply twice [damage x (1+faction)^2]

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This explains the lackluster damage that we see with weapons such as Boar/Strun/Sobek on Client

desert cloud
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@silent shell @willow isle @obsidian aurora @zinc rover @bronze fractal @teal hearth @dusk obsidian @stoic pier useful info for the cyte players

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dk if i missed anyone

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oh yh the big takeout from this testing is that Xatas has quite similar dmg too non normal Cyte so it might be the only really viable fix for client shrug

bronze fractal
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so sad @desert cloud 😭

silent shell
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Boar propaganda

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Boar can still kill pretty well so ill stick to that

desert cloud
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@fathom mist

silent shell
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@marsh estuary

desert cloud
silent shell
silent shell
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How did I see a 170m dmg hit in a recording from hyf...

desert cloud
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@silent shell

silent shell
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I wanna try host boar...

fathom mist
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Dang I was missed

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Has to be put after everyone was mentioned

desert cloud
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Missed but not forgoten

teal hearth
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everyday i learn more about client cyte bugs despairge

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lets just hope at least one bug would get fix in the next update clueless

merry sedge
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  • Me prepping everything to be a good dps
  • Saw this
  • deadge
desert cloud
zinc rover
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@ the de guys to this thread

fathom mist
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@thedeguys

zinc rover
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ty

willow isle
silent shell
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@desert cloud
adjusted the boar calc

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dmg is still viable but noticeably worse

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added a 1 blast detonate dmg

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generally 1 or 2 pellets is inuf to get a kill and proc the blast explosion so 1 blast proc detonation seems like a fair minimum dmg

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Pretty ass but viable for 102
You can feel the dmg loss in w90, but you can kill to w102w fine

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I need some1 who is not dark to host helene for testing

desert cloud
silent shell
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Boar calc

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meow

obsidian aurora
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i dont have excel installed 😭

silent shell
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breh

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lemme see if I can manifest a google doc

obsidian aurora
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dw about it

delicate jungle
scarlet quarry
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*or high ele in general

desert cloud
desert cloud
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Every client cyte bug was fixxed except acid shells

teal hearth
obsidian aurora
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yea

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can spam

fathom mist
teal hearth
fathom mist
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not worth xatas anymore

obsidian aurora
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need to test boar gas

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might work now

fathom mist
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im back if u need me for anything

obsidian aurora
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im leveling nokko

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for prebuff

desert cloud
desert cloud
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i meant the damage sided bugs

teal hearth
desert cloud
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tldr boar should be good now

teal hearth
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but ig that spamming 2 becoming more comfortable than before

dusk obsidian
teal hearth
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except for the fps drop bug from boar client where everytime i shoot my fps goes down to 20. maybe it's just because of my bad pc parts (gpu&cpu)

zinc rover
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@scarlet quarry does as well iirc but it's better to ask him

scarlet quarry
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The thing with old games is, you wanna offset some of the potential load from the cpu to the gpu, 4x helped me gain like 10 fps or more for sure, but yeah, cpu is the crux there (got the joke ? )

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the boar lag was also a lil better iirc, but might be also map and entity bound

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(kala was atrocious / paimon too, but worse with higher haste normally)

silent shell
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boar is fucked

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GG

fathom mist
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yea boar made me freeze like crazy

silent shell
scarlet quarry
stoic pier
scarlet quarry
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And its triggered on certain tiles (paimon kala- gigamotes)

silent shell
stoic pier
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i remember before patch my fps would tank running strun

scarlet quarry
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maybe it got worse for some but it was there slways 😦

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thats how some play xd

scarlet quarry
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the general fps drop when shooting enemy packs is cpu bound ..
the bug , but is kinda cpu independant, just worse(more frequent on worse cpus yep)

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but yeah thats also why i complained about auto inarnon as big drops force the incarnon to activate somehow xd

teal hearth
desert cloud
bronze fractal
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And never have it after

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Play on another tile and maybe all be good

zinc rover
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guy is just advertising his shit in here 🤣

warm tulip
zinc rover
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get this guy outta here

desert cloud
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sir do not make promo on a learning thread reallyAngry

fathom mist
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All of those rivs are horrible delete this ong

warm tulip
half widget
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this guide/build still valid rn? looks goated🥹

merry sedge
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Aztra has an updated guide with all the stuff

half widget
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goat

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tyvm

desert cloud
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And the guide is not up to date

cursive vine
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Wow who is that eskord guy? Wonder how he is doing now