Trial Phase comp

[thorn portal]

Saryn+shocktrooper/EM
Mirage+nourish/EM
Chroma+dispensary
Wisp+roar+afentis

• Nidus specter on all.
• Toxin progenitor kuva ogris on all.
• Chroma/Wisp can just go 5 tau strength red shards.
• Saryn should run 2 corro green, 2 tau toxin dmg green, 1 tau parkour.
• Mirage should run 1 tau elec purple in case you miss Saryn buffs, 2 corro green, 1 tau parkour and 1 tau casting speed.
• Ogris flex slot for Saryn is toxin mod, for Mirage is hammershot, any other goes high voltage.
• If Saryn and Mirage both go EM, Chroma and Wisp can both just afentis.
• Status chance on riven is very nice on Mirage. Toxin for Saryn ofc. Mag is best 3rd stat mainly only if going EM, otherwise pfs better.
  Invert abilities for Mirage so her solar ecelipse is tap to cast instead of lunar.

Will be testing this comp myself, also looking for feedback in comparison to global, and for double EM in comparison to CN.
Changes wont be made to the guide until I've validated and ironed out any details, but thought i'd go ahead and push this out for those willing to test.

[unique stone]

American strat

[wet yew]

I know it's not quite the exact same, but I've played the RU setup which is the double EM but with Chroma Nourish instead and it felt about as strong as old CN, so it should feel better than the current one.

[thorn portal]

i really wanted to fit in octavia

still could ig

[frail raven]

[thorn portal]

but youd have to run 2 protea specters instead

and go octavia+ward

[wet yew]

For non EM I'd rather have a subsumed Dispensary

[thorn portal]

and wisp/mirage take priority for the 2 nidus specters in that case

so the octavia and saryn buffs would be way weaker

[thorn portal]

its a lil more consistent than protea specters yea

unless chroma

[wet yew]

If it's tethered then it gives about 3x as much ammo as 2 Protea specters

[frail raven]

For 100w/150w wave it felt the same imo , but feels like it would scale better for higher waves

[thorn portal]

because its full strip with one click (at least for mirage)

[wet yew]

mainly because of the massive 40 second cooldown Protea has

[frail raven]

Yeah

But you need decent mirage to make it works

[wet yew]

You need knightmare frame on Mirage

[frail raven]

fr

[thorn portal]

not necessarily, havin 2 corro shards on saryn can close the gap

like the chroma can get stuff to 10 corro stacks, then either saryn or mirage can swoop in and full strip with just 4 corro procs

etc

[wet yew]

I feel like Saryn having those as well is unnecessary

[frail raven]

Last time I did that with Z3rr I ran CN saryn build

So yeah would need test ig

[thorn portal]

glad saryn is back
our main drone popper, even without spam firing

[frail raven]

fr

[unique stone]

I’m gonna run this next casta

But might get Octavia

[wet yew]

I'd personally suggest a parkour or two on Chroma since most people tend to grow old while looting and rarely give the buff

[frail raven]

Wisp eclipse vibes fr

[wet yew]

Use the ability that brings you back into eclipse range immediately challenge

[frail raven]

fr

[unique stone]

[frail raven]

It should have been mentioned somewhere imo

[unique stone]

LF Octavia is happening

[frail raven]

This or the tp to your clone

[unique stone]

Wait so chroma is also using ogris as well?

[wet yew]

If the other 2 aren't EM then yea

Though there's an argument for Wisp being a better Ogris user

since she can, again, teleport back immediately

but that ability doesn't exist for 90% of players

[unique stone]

Now we wait for casta

[frail raven]

Cast in 25

Trust

[thorn portal]

i thought it was widely known/used

do i need to make a clip explaining that?

[unique stone]

/map [casta] [next rotation 1]

[wet yew]

Oh no no definitely not known

[frail raven]

[wet yew]

old CN was Eclipse drought with most newer squads

[frail raven]

Unfortunately no

[unique stone]

The teleport to mote thing?

[thorn portal]

no her 2

you cast it boxes, go loot

[frail raven]

I personally use her 2

[thorn portal]

then press 2 when u done

[frail raven]

Not her 3

Cuz I can't aim the mote kekw

Skill issue

[unique stone]

[safe lagoon]

@wet yew is as useless as the "ueue" in "queue".

[thorn portal]

buh i still go to type it out as 'que'

[unique stone]

[thorn portal]

fkin runescape ruined my typing habits

[thorn portal]

thought i got em all

[frail raven]

[lilac path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1175704278363549736.png?v=1

[digital kayak]

I mean, that was 2021 comp before you joined with your Volt.

But put more parkour on them all.

[charred portal]

Type shit

[thorn portal]

yes, it is similar(not like we can replace saryn, mirage or wisp - they bring too much to the table), just with a little bit more focus on dmg over qol with the chroma over volt speed, the corro shards and swapping to tox progenitor for corrosive. Going this route is a step towards combining the 2 sup 2 dps idea of CN and the 1 sup 3 dps idea of global.
Essentially there may no longer be a need for 2 comps, which should help eliminate confusion. It just comes down to whether its 2 sup with 2 em spam or 1 sup with no em spam but much stronger shots.

[digital kayak]

I would always support for compo that require the contribution of each player.
So 3 / 1 would always sound better than 2 / 2.

At best 4 dps ( try the optional comp I gave you )

[thorn portal]

which one, the 3 xata or the 4 em i thought u were memeing fr
but yes i agree more dps'ers more better, but it turns out ppl are lazy even if i give sporelacer/akariuis build so wisp can give afentis and dps ppl dont dewit

[carmine quail]

4 dps would need less or more ammo pads?

[thorn portal]

you shouldnt need any ammo pads for this comp

unless youre mag dumping with non em

[carmine quail]

Cool

[frail raven]

farming VE while afk

[thorn portal]

in which case dont just do 1-2 shots per spawn

[analog egret]

[digital kayak]

Yeah, the 4 EM without Wisp.
But people love ass too much.

[carmine quail]

New wisp dps?

[thorn portal]

so wisp specter is really inconsistent with placing motes, but lets say she wasnt
with 4 power dono her hate mote on buff bar would be 44% where we normally have 200% with wisp on the team. the 200 is actually the movement buff, the fire rate is 1.5x that so 300% fire rate versus 66%, even with 90% from running arcane acceleration thats not nearly enough

[analog egret]

[digital kayak]

Just compare Global vs CN.

CN strat is less dmg but more shot
Global is more dmg but less shot.
The no wisp is just an extra step towards more dmg but less shot.

At first I was memeing about it, but thoroughly thought.
3/1 vs 4dps did appeals worthy of testing.

[thorn portal]

there wouldnt be any improvement on kill times tho

as you can see with 2 dps versus 3 dps, you can get the same mission times

only benefit would be having 4 dps make up for individuals lacking skill or attention span

[digital kayak]

There wouldn't be improvements nor loss.
That is why it has potential and we should look at other parameters than just "Do I get pog kill ?"

What about "Is it easy as brain dead to play this way, or do I have to make lot of preparation ?"

"What about QoL ?"
Etc.

That is where 4dps sound interesting over 3/1

[thorn portal]

with this comp, the enemies are being full stripped and killed nearly instantly, all the way to levelcap
mirage plays a big part in that, cuz of how her clones shots get giga status chance
so saryn, yeah she aint goin nowhere
mirage reasons listed above
wisp motes op
last slot is flex slot
imo
i wish ppl wouldnt bitch about pads, if everyone dropped 1 or 2 here and there, nobody would need to spend that many, cuz theyre shared
then we could keep 4 nidus and go octavia
and forget about dispensary
cuz her multishot buff is disgustingly good
but, im not making this for perfect optimization above all else (pads)
im making it for efficiency against normal enemies, and drones specifically, as much comfort/quality of life as possible, and mission success likelihood regardless of skill/knowledge about the game mode

ive always recommended more players dealing dmg, like wisp+afentis but still killing with sporelacer
the reason for that
is because its too easy to fail the mission for newer players
they get complacent in the later waves
and operative can just get 1 banged if the team isnt spawn killing fast enough
a more experienced squad can afford to do 2 dps 2 sup tho, and im trying to provide a comp that supports either strategy instead of having 2 comps

[rigid cargo]

So why purple share

On Morg

just for missing Saryn buffs?

Why not just run like idk red

Oh missed the tox progenitor

[frail raven]

[thorn portal]

you could run shocktrooper on mirage instead cuz saryn has venom dose and doesnt have to worry about missing, and replace the purple with a red yeah. just drop aug secrets for shocktrooper aug, eclipse will be weaker, and her clones will have slighly less status chance that and i can freely slot hammershot, on top of 60% more elemental dmg on mirage is why i went with purple instead

[rigid cargo]

Honeslty was just wondering cuz I have all reds on her and wanted to be lazy

But tanks

[wet yew]

no parkour without Volt is crazy

[magic hull]

[carmine latch]

[carmine latch]

Volt who

[grim hull]

Yea, I kinda tested what mod I could get rid of

Turned out it was heavy cal

Cuz you kinda need a little more sc than will be necessary in simul, cuz all shots almost never will be landed perfectly

[rigid cargo]

Gonna put the build together and try it eventually

[rigid cargo]

Actually wait nvm

is there any reason for hammer shot over galv aptitude

[thorn portal]

Galv co mods do nothing for the majority of aoe, and hammer shot will give some crit dmg as well, which mirage can make use of

[rigid cargo]

Real