#Mirage Elemental Ward is a Brain Rot

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lethal tartan
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Lately people are giving up on EM and putting Nourish or Elemental Ward on damage dealers. But this is nonsense because there is a much stronger combo.

A hardened set of warframes: Wisp Volt Mirage Saryn
Subsumes: Wisp - roar, Volt - Thermal Thunder, Mirage - Thermal Thunder, Saryn - Nourish

Suggested set of warframes: Wisp Volt Chroma Saryn
Subsumes: Wisp - roar, Volt - Thermal Thunder, Chroma - Nourish, Saryn - Eclipse

In this squad combination you have everything you got in a common set of warframes,** PLUS Vex Armor. **

I suggest replacing Mirage for Chroma. Subsumed Eclipse is X0.75 times weaker than an original one. You'll have X0.75 times weaker Eclipse, but on the top of that you get Chroma's base damage buff. Assumed Fury from Chroma is 1500-2200% (depending on the build). Base damage is 1500+625(100+360+165) = 2125. 2125 divided by 625 is 3.4.** The total damage difference** between the two squads is 0.75 (eclipse difference) * 3.4 (vex armor) = 2.55

It pains me to see you utilize a small portion of Chroma's capabilities in the form of Subsumed Elemental Ward. You used to turn your nose up at Chroma, but with this combo Volt for speed buffs doesn't fall out of the squad. You have all the skills you had before + Chromas` Fury, which raises the damage to ultimate.

silver whale
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chroma guy is back

lethal tartan
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Is it my fault that Chroma is the only warframe that multiplies the base damage of a weapon?Real

pale iris
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This means I have to build and forma chroma prime

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Gg go next

violet compass
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no

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pro players play cn strat

haughty storm
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show the eclipse build you made for pt frame

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I think my main issue with this is, damage doesn't really matter for the traditional 100w run, and even if you give people more damage, Saryn is still gonna carry

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that's why I feel like pfs Zephyr would prob be more popular than this. allows for faster cleanup from everyone

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Mirage clones also do help alleviate some skissues we have with aiming

silver whale
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its just gonna be another batchest i do 41% more dmg than traditional setup kek

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runtime gonna be the usual 50m

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but the chroma guy has to put too much work keeping up vex

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cn better baseg

haughty storm
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I feel as if the only way to go faster than the currently timelocked 45/46 min speedrun is finding a way to do triple saryn with subsumes so you have 100% spawn coverage with ogris w toxic lash

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the main thing stopping times from being faster rn is aim

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you 1-shot if you hit, and obviously do no damage if you miss

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even then, it wouldn't be much faster than our current fastest runs on held maps, so why even bother yknow

lethal tartan
lethal tartan
lethal tartan
lethal tartan
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appropriate comments only from jaedyn as always

haughty storm
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you gotta wait for people to find this thread

lethal tartan
silver whale
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yea the buff matter jackshit

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in the end its spawn covering again o nfirst topic

haughty storm
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definitely effort though

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was a bilibili video

lethal tartan
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At what wave do you have game crashes or other stability related issues?

haughty storm
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3 EM + protea specters will prob be like a 50% chance of a host mig before 80

lethal tartan
haughty storm
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host mig, mistyped

lethal tartan
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And now Geek or anyone else has found the cause.

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Right?

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Here I suggested a No EM setup with a lot more damage fridge

haughty storm
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tru but people gotta reforma and they gotta aim gooder without clones

lethal tartan
lethal tartan
haughty storm
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1 and 3 don't matter, all of the buffs you get allow you to be 1 shotting in a larger area due to the clones' shots, even without napalm

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getting rid of the stragglers at the end of the round with a mirage is much less annoying than on a saryn/volt

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unless saryn prefired spawn ofc

lethal tartan
haughty storm
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playing mirage

lethal tartan
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Mirage I see fridge

lethal tartan
haughty storm
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I was Saryn for lextro when he did a Xata Volt 100w a while ago. Lemme tell you, I felt not having the sunder elements, so I know mirage had to be suffering

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I'll see if I can find screenshots

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dronage wasn't too bad looking back

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it was pretty hard to get kills though. I was nourish saryn and mirage was ward

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I just realized it was Seimeni as well, so it was against infested with no ehp. lol, no way it flies in Casta

lethal tartan
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On paper, everything looks fine

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but Volt gets a lot of damage

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Xata Volt is a thing WICKEDSQUAD

vague wren
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🚮

blazing nest
glass sierra
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Cooked

lethal tartan
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🤔

glass sierra
hard creek
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im not reading all that. happy for you tho. or sorry it happened

tacit frost
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hes cooking so hard hes turning to ashes

arctic vine
# haughty storm the main thing stopping times from being faster rn is aim

If you wanted to minimize mission times, the most ideal scenario would essentially be to assign spawn points to each DPS, and they would focus solely on those points and not others.
Reducing the number of targets to a smaller cone of vision for each player would also lower the risk of missing targets because smaller cone of vision to pre-fire/aim at = lower aim movement between points = higher potential accuracy.

But then this becomes completely impractical if you account for player map movements from having to loot, unless you also assign loot pathing to each player on a set rotation and time. That's so much unnecessary coordination just to shave down mission times by a few more minutes. This isn't even counting Smeeta buff timers or any other time-based factors.

And you can only reduce mission times so much until you are waiting on the game to spawn enemies (this obviously cannot be sped up). At this point, you might as well take up synchronized swimming or dancing.

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Tbh, the only valid replacement for Mirage would be Ivara, but you cannot use Ivara without Nekros

vague wren
arctic vine
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but if you use Nekros, you'd have to use beam weapons in order to synergize with Nekros clones and Ivara stealth

vague wren
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put some sense into mans head Real

arctic vine
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which means you'd be replacing 4x Kuva Ogris with 4x Synapse

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While additional forma is extremely negligible for the majority of the community, obtaining Synapse via crafting and waiting for craft times is an extremely difficult task

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so at this point, the entire setup is niche for the ultimate minmax gamers.

amber aurora
amber aurora
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I think you only need 2 DPS roles for arbi and making volt the DPS is weird (for 100 waves)

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Chroma isn't that much different than Mirage and subsumed eclipse is less damage (not that it would matter for 100 wave runs ig)

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since the DPS is already good for 100 wave runs, ward is used more than nourish on mirage for comfort you could say

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also CN exists and is already good enough and you wouldn't play global meta for past like 130 waves Shrug

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if CN is just outright better

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But if we're purely just talking global meta and u think that mirage is worse to have than a chroma, I guess you aren't wrong

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eh well

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mirage can have ward and eclipse, chroma would have ward and eclipse, but chroma's eclipse would be weaker cause subsume, idk I guess its just preference

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Hmmm I see

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amber aurora
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Besides

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EM is always an option but global arbi players aren't that accepting of it ig, mostly because of the entity limit issues though.

amber aurora
amber aurora
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Actually u can run 1 EM + 2 protea specters

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but I think 2 protea specters might be overkill for 100 wave runs

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usually only 1 is used

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glass sierra
graceful niche
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schizo rant

vague wren
mossy fox
# amber aurora I think you only need 2 DPS roles for arbi and making volt the DPS is weird (for...

Volt's dps potential for the majority of the waves is fine ngl. Although there is a hard wall somewhere around wave 90📉 It's just that saryn and mirage have so much more killing power that volt just looks like he's lacking. Having 3 dps on global definitely does make a difference, because when timed correctly, with only 1 or 2 shooters leaving the camp area at a time, your drones per hour can increase a bit, and your mission time goes down a noticeable amount. This can be kinda hard to do when someone has a mod drop chance booster tho and the urge to collect gets stronk Laugh

amber aurora
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yeah I try to collect after the 1-2 DPS get back

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or collect before they do