#restarted my save because new player events are broken

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muted silo
random dust
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specifically, go down the list in order until you get to something you can't build and run consistently yet. that's where you 'left off'. farm the stuff before until you can clear that content, then continue from there. follow the guides and feel free to ask questions here if something is unclear in the guides

granite sundial
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Yeah I think I just need a whole game refresher. I'm watching this right now, I'll see if I can at least refamiliarize with all the game's systems before I start worrying about progression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPAFozSRjyM

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Summoners War 2023 - 2024 Ultimate Beginner Guide

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plain carbon
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we dont recommend or help with youtube guides stuff

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just fyi

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they’re typically clickbait

granite sundial
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Yeah I kinda realized about halfway through that he wasn't really saying anything

plain carbon
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you can always ask questions thats pertaining to #guides

granite sundial
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yeah thats what I've been going through for the last few hours

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I haven't been able to find what stats are ideal per monster though. I've seen lots of "100% CR for attackers" and "80+ speed" for support, but nothing more specific than that

plain carbon
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That’s kinda ambiguous cuz thats not rlly what the guides say

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Each unit has their own req

granite sundial
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Of course

plain carbon
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You can more or less figure out that every monster want almost all stats in pve

granite sundial
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except res

plain carbon
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So for example veromos is someone you want moving after spectra in gbah and because you have 15% bonus from summoner skills he gets 15 spd so you only need to give him enough speed to move after spectra but before your other dds

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His s2 scales off enemy’s max hp

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So it makes sense to build him like a DD with 100% crit rate and on a cdmg build slot 4 to maximize his damage potential

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He needs acc to be able to land his cc’s

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And then you need tankiness in hp and def to survive

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?ehp you can use the command

lilac caveBOT
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  • Effective HP (eHP)
    A function of health and defense that relates to the amount of damage that can be taken under normal conditions.
  • Defense Broken HP (D.eHP)
    Another factor of EHP that relates to the amount of damage that can be taken while DEF broken.
  • Both can be checked with the command:
    • /ehp TotalHP TotalDEF (use in #bot-commands).
granite sundial
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So because this is such a specific requirement for the whole team, doesn't that mean you can't really use them elsewhere?

plain carbon
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Well actually

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The #guides is built in mind to have

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Maximum reuseability across pve

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you use vero in gbah dbah toa and raid

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So if you improve him he gets better at his job in all other content

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The guides wont make you build a unit thats a “stepping” stone

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They all will be endgame monsters

granite sundial
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and of course I assume having all the correct monsters is more important than getting one of their runes perfect first

plain carbon
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well pve is super easy so technically you can do it with a lot of half assed monsters

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but those units are super strong and thats why theyre picked bc theyre reuseable

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this game is about runes than monsters

granite sundial
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half assed monsters as in wrong monster with good runes? or right monster with bad runes?

plain carbon
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a mix of both

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anyway

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ask from #guides and try your best to build the monsters

fallen patrol
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wait

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to clarify

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you shouldn't be using any half assed monsters

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you need to use exactly only the monsters in the guide

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our guides recommend monsters that are completely farmable and end game. there is no reason at all to use half assed monsters or other monsters you happen to have

granite sundial
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What does "half assed" mean

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Like right now I have Kro and Veromos, but the runes aren't perfect. Is that half assed?

fallen patrol
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oh sorry i misread i was trying to use your terminology that you used

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you need both correct monsters and correct runes. having correct monsters is trivial, so it's not even worth debating

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this game is about runes, so having the correct runes is the part you should be focusing your time and efforts on

granite sundial
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But I need the monsters first to kill the boss that drops the runes

fallen patrol
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you get tons of free runes from beginner missions and quests

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so you can setup the initial team to beat the boss that drops the runes

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without needing the runes that he drops

granite sundial
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Okay. I'm a returning player so I've got some monsters runed that aren't in the guide. I assume that was a mistake on my part when I played before

fallen patrol
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just storage them for now

random dust
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And if you need runes from them to build the correct units with the correct builds, don’t hesitate to steal runes from anyone else. Your only priority is to get your farming stable and you work from there

granite sundial
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Yeah that makes sense. So, I've noticed that I have some identical runes to the image, but not all of them. I've removed all the runes from all my monsters. Is it possible I sold some by mistake when I last played?

#1049393485372993567 message

lilac caveBOT
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[Message Link](#1049393485372993567 message) to #1049393485372993567
**Fran and Lorens **runes for ?justdoit, shown with 2 def artifacts but can use any combo of hp and def. (2 images)

Req. by zaleander. Quote from ·
errant skiff
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yes and others come not powered up ( at +0) from summoners way quests

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they are also examples of how they should be runed as well starting out, so even if u dont have the exact runes, u can see roughly how they are runed

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i have stat pictures from #1049393485372993567 that u linked there, but also jx posted his in #1404892146007543938

granite sundial
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Ah so some are exact, some are randomized, good to know.

granite sundial
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yeah I can't get even close to those stats. I'm not sure why but I'm always about 10% under for every stat that he has

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across the board

plain carbon
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if you don't mind i would highly recommend resetting

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the new player stuff are super OP and gets u started very quick

granite sundial
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Theres no way that would save me time, right? I have 6* Lapis, Loren, Fran, Kro, Veromos, and 5* Shannon already

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I thought I already got the OP "new player stuff" when I played a few years ago

plain carbon
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you don't have to get to the mentioned stats btw, jsut good enough to start gbah with 95-99% winrate and then slowly upgrade

plain carbon
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you get quite a lot of scrolls to summon too

errant skiff
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the new summoner way welcome event runes are all previous year/ year and a half

granite sundial
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y'all actually think I should just delete my acc and start over?

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Like that sounds profoundly insane

errant skiff
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you have less than a week of progress

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compared to a new player

granite sundial
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Really? tf

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I remember playing this game a shit ton

errant skiff
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yes, a lot has changed the past few years

granite sundial
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Last time I played they had an assassins creed event going on

errant skiff
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those runes on loren and fran for example, are actual sets that are given, not sets you have to piece together

granite sundial
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ugh alright whatever I guess I'll restart if I'm only losing a "week". I guess the guides will make more sense that way anyways

plain carbon
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you don't have to restart your current acc

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you can make a separate new acc under a different email (or you don't technically have to because you can just log out and make something new that way)

granite sundial
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Why would I want to keep the current account?

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If I can surpass it with more accuracy in just a week

plain carbon
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dunno, you might find it sentimental

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you don't have to

granite sundial
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Nah not really. I just want something to do while I pretend to work.

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I'll start fresh

granite sundial
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All of these guides are very clear. I should be good for the next few days, thanks guys 👍

granite sundial
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restarted my save because new player events are broken

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stupid question: is there a reason to wait for the 3rd event for the light cowgirl and dark inugami? I've already gotten both from secret dungeons

plain carbon
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they come maxed level 40 i think and skilled up

granite sundial
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oh shit alr

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so I really only need dark yeti, light inugami, and fire griffon secret dungeons

granite sundial
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Should I be saving my max skill ups? They can only be used on nat 4 stars, and I don't think I have any good ones yet.

plain carbon
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Yes save them but dont claim them from summoners way

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Otherwise they expire in mailbox

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Summoners way rewards arent super worth to go through and when you get to the point you can use the max skillups you can clear it super easily

granite sundial
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whoops

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plain carbon
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rip

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can ask in 5 days after you summon a lot of stuff

granite sundial
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These are the 4 stars I've pulled so far. I remember fire vampire used to be good, but I don't think he's on the updated guides

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random dust
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He gets used eventually but doesn’t need skillups right away and has fuseable skillups

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If these are about to expire water sky dancer (mihyang) is a safe one to skillup. She gets used a ton in siege so you won’t regret having an extra fully skilled at any point

granite sundial
granite sundial
plain carbon
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oh i mustve been thinking of a different event then

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can do the next sd that one is super easy to skill up

granite sundial
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Yeah, so its not bad that I collected a few already

errant skiff
granite sundial
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So then I can probably assume the dark inugami is also unleveled with no skillups

errant skiff
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yes

granite sundial
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Good cause you get an awakened one for free from some quest

granite sundial
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reviving this thread again.

These are the recommended runes for Kro and Spectra. The Energy rune in the top right for Spectra, what is the source for that rune? None of the runes in event 2 are legendary, and new summoner special support rune bundles don't include energy runes.

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granite sundial
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also I hope this is the best use for all the garbage fodder I've been getting from the thousands of summon scrolls

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errant skiff
errant skiff
granite sundial
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yippee

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granite sundial
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I vaguely remember there being these buildings you could place on your island that would boost stats, but I can't find them anywhere. Have those been removed?

plain carbon
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Yeah they got changed into summoner skills now. You unlock them soon I think

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you can still buy the buildings but they're just cosmetic now

granite sundial
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Okay so I'm struggling pretty hard on 90F of ToA normal. I assume I should get some artifacts, but I can barely clear these on B10, plus the progresion guide doesn't suggest it until later. Am I just supposed to do like, B7 or something?

errant skiff
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just looking for the main stat on the artifacts at this point

granite sundial
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Okay, and ideally +1500 hp?

errant skiff
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yes

granite sundial
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👍

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and I understand this right, Rift Beasts give the mats to make gems and grindstones, which are used to optimize runes. Super optimized min/max runes are gonna be needed for content like ToA hard and the other Cairos Dungeon bosses on Abyss Hard mode

errant skiff
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rift beasts give gems, which help you improve the efficiency of yr runes

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rift raids gives grinds which further improve efficiency

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not so much for toa but just overall teams in general, making them tankier/faster/do more damage

granite sundial
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The amount of micro efficiency required for every monster is absolutely fucking insane holy fucking god

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this is like a 5+ year game

granite sundial
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Okay so if I understand this right, my goal for optimizing runes is to get really fat rolls of +% hp/atk/def, plenty of speed, and tons of crit rating for attackers. Mainstats on 2/4/6 runes should never be +flat, and depending on the roll you choose between % hp, def, atk, or crit damage/chance. Use gems to replace bad stats like +flat, +resistance, or +accuracy.

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and rune sets are just a bonus unless you need the special effect

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and this could take weeks

plain carbon
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give these #1278187593594572841 and #1403439178498314270 a read to get a sense of what to look for on runes

granite sundial
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this is the most I've read in years

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what in the actual fuck is this community

random dust
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This game is complex. Some people like that, some people don’t. If you don’t, no shame in finding another game that works better for you. The people that do like it and like helping others learn it have invested a lot of time and effort into creating resources for new players

granite sundial
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My team has a few half naked chibi girls and a penguin with a helmet

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I'm not saying its too much, I'd be very surprised if this is the most "complex" game I've played, but still

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its just weird to see this much documentation for a monster collecting mobile game from 12 years ago

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I was expecting "speed and crit = good" not a whole book lol

random dust
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The secret is it’s not actually a monster collecting game, it’s a rune collecting game with some booba to get people to spend

granite sundial
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Which is fine ig, I can put the runes on my monsters and just pretend

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question tho, I did some napkin math and it came up to like over 300 hours to properly rune all 28 monsters suggested in the pve progression guide

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does that sound right?

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assuming you get a rune 50% of the time from GBAH, and only 10% of the runes are even usable

plain carbon
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uh depends on what runes you farm and how well you know how to rune the monsters

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you can still get away with monsters doing subpar like not meeting 100% cr and stuff to do content

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but it’ll not be ideal

granite sundial
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well I guess I need to make my GBAH team better because I still lose about 10% of the time, even with the free event runes.

errant skiff
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that is the first upgrade you should be doing when going from step 1 to step 2 is upgrading and improving your gbah team to make it 100% consistent

granite sundial
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okay so this rune feels goated

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granite sundial
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Okay whoops ends up I had some of the wrong runes on my GBAH team. First clear with the correct was a new best time. So NOW I should be good to mindlessly grind this a billion times until I can gear up my rift team so I can start making gooder runes

errant skiff
# granite sundial okay so this rune feels goated

there are 3 stats mention in #1278187593594572841 that are considered "premium"

but as is, a good spectra or vero rune with such high CR and having spd and also tanky stats, only lacks acc which can be made up on the other 5 runes

granite sundial
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Yeah I read through all the rune guides several times. I'm fully aware of what stats are good and which ones aren't, and all runes can be good but also not really and you can never be sure but its obvious when it is. All very cryptic.

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Only absolutes are +flat stats on 2/4/6 are almost always bad, +CD on 4 is ideal for damage dealers, 100 CR is a prio, speed is good but 50+ is a good point to stop, all monsters need at least some hp/def, only bad stat is res

errant skiff
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as you play more through pve, you'll come to start seeing patterns but by no means will runes ever be "solved", as what a monster/team needs to be runed always changes

granite sundial
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Now can a monster ever be "solved"? Like, obviously perfectly rolled runes is a statistical impossibility, but are you ever just finished with a monster? They've got runes that are good for the content that they're doing, and they never need an upgrade

errant skiff
granite sundial
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when would you want flat mainstats on 2/4/6

errant skiff
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sec ill grab a pic

granite sundial
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main stat. the big roll. all of those are %

errant skiff
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oh flat main 4/6

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boosters, which is why u want spd on those runes otherwise, auto sell

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from #1278187593594572841

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last 1/2

granite sundial
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yeah I read the whole thing several times

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parts 1 and 2

granite sundial
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bruh the crystal dragon takes about half a year to make a profit

granite sundial
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So I'm looking ahead at the monsters needed for progression, and the monsters I already have, plus all the free skill ups and stuff. I still haven't redeemed the nat 4 fusion monster, or the nat 4 fire or wind. I already got Galleon from the nat 4 water summon. I guess I should get Astar for my fire summon, Lushen for my wind summon, and use the free skill ups on those + Shaina (who I pulled from scrolls). I still don't know what to get for the nat 4 fusion monster.

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for reference

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errant skiff
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  • the pick a fire/wind use the ?sstones command but there is no hurry to pick one till you need it

  • free fusion monster is the same thing - use it when u need it

  • the free 4 star skill ups - will depend on what nat 4s u have, and if they were from the free 30 u get see ?nat4event

granite sundial
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yeah most of my monsters are already maxed on skills. Everyone except Roaq, Mav, Kro, Mellia, the Homo, and Shaina

errant skiff
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not everything needs to be skilled

granite sundial
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🤷‍♂️

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I mean if they're free and I use the monsters, why not?

errant skiff
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3 star monsters should be as they are easier to get
other 4 stars like mellia dont
shaina isnted used in #guides (srabh but that really optional)

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whomie doesnt need until way later if u use a specific spd gbah team

plain carbon
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those kind of skillups are really really valuable and you should be saving them

errant skiff
plain carbon
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can see ?devilmon cmd

granite sundial
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I'm not using devilmon

plain carbon
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but the game gives you a TON of skillup stuff and you can use them in a lot of important pvp monsters later on. pve dont need them at all

plain carbon
errant skiff
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?devilmon

lilac caveBOT
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For New Players

  • Veromos > Spectra 2A

    • Save the rest of your Devilmons for PvP

  • Raoq 2A > Vigor 2A

    • Make 2A dupes to max skill these monsters instead of Devilmons

  • Galleon will be skilled up via the free nat 4 skill ups from ?nat4event event

    • Remaining skill ups from event are saved till ready for PvP

✥ Nat 5★ monsters are generally prioritized with devilmon. However, there are 4★ monsters which require skill-ups and are worth devilmoning for PVP. When you are working on PvP and figuring out which Nat 4★ to skill up, open a thread in while sharing your box for suggestions on deviling.

granite sundial
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yes I know I've looked at it

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what if you don't care about pvp

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cause I really don't care about pvp

errant skiff
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this is a pvp centered game

granite sundial
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I dont care

errant skiff
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?fun

lilac caveBOT
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This is #1047269577614164098 : We give advice on efficient progress

errant skiff
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but this channel does

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so all of our advise is talored to that

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but if that isnt yr thing, #off-meta-fun does exist

granite sundial
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yeah I just wanna do grindy pve shit

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I play this game while pooping

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well I still have 30/30 skill ups remaining for the event, so no need to panic

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I used a summoners way full skill up for Galleon

plain carbon
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I mean you can do whatever you want, but yea this is a pvp game first and foremost. when u follow our guides its designed to get you into pvp as quickly as possible so you start farming runes and getting ready for pvp

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if you dont care about pvp then you can just do whatever you want to do

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pve is solved content and you can beat it with most guides’ team suggestions and stuff. theres nothing interesting about it. pvp is where it gets more fun

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if you dont want to do pvp that’s OK. just that there is little incentive for us to help you because we want people to be interested in pvp and help with that

granite sundial
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Are all the ideal pvp monsters random 5 star pulls?

random dust
granite sundial
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Not trying to piss anyone off lol, and I'm also not demanding help or attention. Just asked a few questions is all. I don't like mobile pvp games cause the learning curves are steep and toxic, and a pve monster collector looked fun to play on my phone

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I've read every guide and command on this discord, and there's a lot of suggestion for extreme caution over every decision. I wasn't aware that it was exclusively for the goal of just being better at pvp

random dust
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It’s a PvP game. There are better mobile pve gachas if that’s what you are looking for

rapid jolt
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wanna start playing on a new account again... for which units do i roll? when do i restart if i dont get anything good?