cosmic totem
I read the beginner pvp sets guide and built this team with dongbaek on the Non-vio tank set, vigor on the HP scaling support bruiser set, and lulu on the Support Tank set. I was wondering if these are the correct sets, along with if vigor and dongbaek is a bad combo as vigors 2s speeds up dongbaek which she doesn't want due to her s2 and s3
surreal prawn
What is this dongbaek supposed to be doing? Face tank a carc? How are you planning to kill stuff? The sets you picked sound fine but I’d focus on your team building first and then rune according to what the mons are doing in the team
cosmic totem
yeah i wanted her to be the tank, but now that i look at it maybe malite would be better due to statue? my thought was vigor with destroy was enough to kill stuff but it was definitely slow
surreal prawn
Carc can be built on huge damage, especially when he has atk buff from chasun and potential def breaks from his passive
It’s not realistic to expect anything to face tank carc if it can be def broken
Windy is a better tank for carc
cosmic totem
that makes sense thank you, regarding the how are you planning to kill stuff is windy in place of dongbaek enough damage or would i want to change out vigor as well for something like my own carc?
surreal prawn
You want 2 water units so there’s no chance one of them catches a stray def break and draws carc aggro. The standard comp is tractor (also can’t be def broken) windy with Lulu or tetra for healing. Tractor and windy can both do decent damage from additional damage artifacts. You could also try with vigor in place of tractor but there’s a risk chilling runs him down with def break from carc
cosmic totem
would this be a correct offense for this defense? only tesa gives debuffs and its oblivion so it cancels nobara's passive, along with the other 2 annoying passives
also does tesa benefit from s3 accuracy on right side or should i aim for s2 accuracy instead
cosmic totem
You want 2 water units so there’s no chance one of them catches a stray def brea...
also thank you for this explanation i didnt read tractor's skills well enough
opal spoke
i dont think u need oblivion for aya, u can just 2+ fire bruiser and kill aya first
khmun tesa are good here
cosmic totem
khmun tesa are good here
opal spoke
yep
cosmic totem
yep
thank you the fight was easy
is this the right idea of using tractor when theres a defense break from sav? and vero to deal with nora and then a fire damage dealer?
opal spoke
i'm not sure, i don't agree with this off. chandra just hurts and would target carc considering he would be squishy
sav also has an aoe def break so if either vero or carc gets def broken, chandra moves and can potentially kill you
cosmic totem
i thought chandra was a support, thanks for letting me know, would changing carc and vero to 2 wind units improve the chances or is this just a hard def
opal spoke
he's a bruiser not a support. he has auto crit on s1 so he just does a ton of damage. you don't have a good way to deal with his guard either so if he guards sav because you're gonna target her, you can't kill sav while she goes ham on your tractor
(this is coming from someone who still has no idea how to deal with chandra defs in general tbh)
cosmic totem
everything u said makes sense to me so i think ill skip it, especially since the def is 24w11l
cosmic totem
if i dont have Roid, Chacha, Elucia, Shren 2a'd is it worth doing that over lumel farming
opal spoke
Yeah, 2a stuff that you plan to use
If you see a def that needs that 2a monster that can counter it
Thats when it’s a great time to make that 2a
Same logic for building dupes
cosmic totem
In the ?ancientcrystals command it says premium runes which i rerolled all the free amount and got none and then it says Reappraisal Stones/Devilmon: Limted to 30 reapps and 3 devilmon per month. is there any preference between the 2? I currently have 30 devils and 92 reapps
opal spoke
the cmd hasnt been changed in ages tbh. I think the best way to spend crystals is to go for legendary gem/grinds -> reapps (depending on what you need)
I do refresh the shop and just look for runes with good innate bases and reapp but other than that
cosmic totem
Ok thank you. I’m still working on beginner pvp stuff so I’m not sure what legend gems and grinds I would currently need, would i go go th generic premiums sets like violent will destroy nemesis etc?
opal spoke
your focus is on premium sets
so vio will swift mostly
can grab others if you have the extra
cosmic totem
for this battle in ?read1 siege thread is triana brought for another layer of protection for rina dying to mo long s3?
foggy lava
triana is a bruiser here. she's on a damage build so she contributes both damage and sustain
the passive is whatever
cosmic totem
ok thank you
into this defence i was thinking wind tank who cant be def break, then tesa for oblivion on gapsoo, then lala for support. ive never faced gapsoo before, is his passive that strong that i need oblivion for it or am i overcomplicating it?
foggy lava
this isn't a super easy def and gapsoo is strong
on one hand, tesa is a great idea
on the other hand, there's never any passive so strong where oblivion is the only answer
oblivion is never that reliable anyway. you have to land it, and then also hope the enemy doesn't simply proc out of it
but yea your idea is fine
your wind tank doesn't necessarily have to be one that can't be def broken, for example riley is a pretty good tank here too. will work super well with tesa
cosmic totem
i tried it out gyomei as the wind tank and lost but im not sure if i wouldve lost anyways due to the s3 cleanse on ashour or that the fact gapsoo landed a brand on my gyomei into s3 ashour right afterwas the worse case scenario
foggy lava
show builds?
cosmic totem
foggy lava
next time show screenshot with rune sets
cosmic totem
oh sorry
foggy lava
what sets are these on
foggy lava
your runes are just weak
you didn't even +15
both lala and tesa are a few speed below tick
gyomei you need to get more hp on him. i know he scales with def but as a tank he just needs to stack way more hp
also just should go all out -fire, gapsoo doesn't do much damage
this team really isn't that bad you just got rune gapped probably
if you want a slightly better team you can try tesa elucia riley next time
elucia is nice as controlling the enemy is one way of reducing the damage you take
cosmic totem
ok thats fair im new to beginner pvp so having weak runes makes sense, ill change the build on gyomei, and yeah gapsoo really didnt do much damage so ur right
thanks for your advice
cosmic totem
elucia is nice as controlling the enemy is one way of reducing the damage you ta...
is it not an issue if the wind druid targets her?
cosmic totem
i see
cosmic totem
this team felt like it lacked sustain. I feel if i had like a talc or a rina instead of tractor it wouldve went better, but their immunity was kind of annoying. additionally now that i look at it logan probably isnt the best wind bruiser due to his crit skills, roid instead seems better. are these subtitutions + targeting louise a better strategy?
opal spoke
I think you should read beginner pvp again on the bruisering section
foggy lava
? this was good application of beginner pvp
just issue with not selecting correct units within correct roles
foggy lava
water tank means now he tanks louise too
opal spoke
oh louise has a def break on s1
foggy lava
i know at lower levels no one will build dmg louise but its a mali specialty
foggy lava
anyway
cosmic totem
I think you should read beginner pvp again on the bruisering section
is there a specific part I did wrong or just read it all, I saw only 1 def break in the Louise and that the damage seemed to be coming from chow and Cami
foggy lava
you were right on if you just replace tractor with a rina
you can basically auto it
delphoi is never enough sustain by herself
i think you were tempted by her oblivion into 2 units with passives, but you never need oblivion to kill anything with passives
you can just beat them down normally, especially with destroy on logan
usually delphoi is used with another source of sustain
opal spoke
is there a specific part I did wrong or just read it all, I saw only 1 def break...
No you’re good, that was a massive fail on my part. Listen to jx
cosmic totem
you were right on if you just replace tractor with a rina
is the decision of rina over talc based on assuming their cami or chow is built with crit rate?
foggy lava
not too much
talc shouldn't be used here. talc is only used as a tank against multihitters who don't do singular big hits
for example, talc is good against dominic, or shahat
rina is just best tank in general
tractor provides a bit more support and offensive power (he can cc and deal dmg) in addition to tanking
but pure tanking - rina does it best
especially when you don't have great sustain alongside her
cosmic totem
usually delphoi is used with another source of sustain
yeah this makes a lot of sense, i think i ran into the issue of using my riley and triana and being left with delphoi
cosmic totem
rina is just best tank in general
this might be a bad question but is it advised to build multiple of each of the beginner siege bruisers? i had used my rina in a previous attack before this
foggy lava
no that is a great question and you definitely should be building dupes
nat 3s like rina and racuni should be really easy to build dupes of
and very useful
cosmic totem
okay cool ill keep that in mind next siege
cosmic totem
No you’re good, that was a massive fail on my part. Listen to jx
no worries thanks for responding
Also on the recommended bruisers theres only 1 fire tank in kunite, I have fire Unicorn which her passive mentions reducing water damage by 50%. is this a viable fire tank? the wording is weird so i cant tell if its just water damage dealt to her, her and allies, or everyone in the combat
I only see her used with leo on the monster info usage tab so i might be missing something
foggy lava
the water damage reduction is just her, and only when she is in pony form
she is a viable tank when the only damage is coming from water, but that's pretty rare these days
in the past she was commonly used to tank mo long when he was more meta on def
she is very useful still though, more as a bruiser
a popular team with her that you're seeing is jeanne leo helena
this effectively functions as a cross between a second turn cleave offense and a bruiser offense
cosmic totem
yeah it seems like most defenses follow the beginner pvp standard of 2 damage sources and not having multiple of 1 element. her being useful as bruiser is exciting
For devilmons do I just use them on Nat5s i use in a siege battle? i know in the defense part it says to make sure all your units are maxed skilled so im wondering if same applies to offense?(not including 2as since i believe farming lumel is > 2a skill ups in the guide)
strong hamlet
uhm
its very unit specific
tell us what you want to skill up
some units need it
some dont
some need partial skillups
cosmic totem
currently just velajuel im wondering about
cosmic totem
gyomei you need to get more hp on him. i know he scales with def but as a tank h...
i improved the runes but i used hp% slot 6 is that fine or is def% required on a vio tank
foggy lava
i improved the runes but i used hp% slot 6 is that fine or is def% required on a...
looks good
cosmic totem
Thanks for your help hopefully I won’t lose to that defence next time
cosmic totem
any advice on who to pick? I prefer siege, i was think haegang to make a dot team
strong hamlet
haegang is a fine choice imo
cosmic totem
Thanks
cosmic totem
for velajuel do you want to devil all skills or just s2 s3?
thorn wyvern
for velajuel do you want to devil all skills or just s2 s3?
All skills.
foggy lava
if you dodged s1 i think its fine to leave that unskilled
foggy lava
No
thorn wyvern
Well then I'm mistaken! TIL
foggy lava
Eventually I think max skilling all s1s is nice, dmg still helps
But early on better to conserve devils
cosmic totem
I currently have a tesarion unskilled that i use for siege, I just summoned another do i keep it to use as a second tesarion or use to skill up the one I use
I'm leaning to keeping it as a second one but im not sure the importance of skilling up my first one
cosmic totem
into this would u do rina vero + wind damage bruiser like roid? no defence break so im not sure what the win condition of this defense is other than like nora with her dots
or is chandra low enough damage u can bring a fire bruiser
foggy lava
yes
cosmic totem
is chilling a recommended water bruiser or is he more niche? he appears in the beginner pvp sets but not the bruiser chart in the beginner pvp guide
foggy lava
he's more commonly used in cleaves and not really as a bruiser
so overall as a unit not niche at all, but for bruisering purposes not too common. he was included because its still worth mentioning that you can use him that way
cosmic totem
okay i see thanks
is it worth to build dupe 2as like vigor? i know u said regular nat 3s are fine but it sorta feels bad to use dimensional energy for something other than farming for runes. but i also noticed im really lacking in water damage bruisers with only vigor and now chilling
foggy lava
yes
cosmic totem
thanks
brave iron
for siege defense, is there anything i should change on this team? not sure if theres certain stats worth losing speed/hp for
also thinking maybe i should switch fiona to swift/blade. even with focus its only 53% acc
foggy lava
make your own thread and read the siege def part of #1412105543967047680 first
cosmic totem
Is there a command for what to buy with world arena medals or is it just personal preference, I’m not really sure how good the refinement stones are
foggy lava
they are very good. should always prioritize refinement stones and core fragments each month
after that it's up to you between scrolls and transmogs
cosmic totem
Thanks, Is there a command or a part in the guide talking about those 2?
