#New to Swop

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blazing veldt
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Hey so, I read that Julie needs some type of swop thing? I have the Rune optimizer but I dont know how to actually work with it, how do I figure this out, is there a tutorial for that?

proven swift
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If you search help and advice there are some threads where I walked people through using swop for this team. Start there and if you have questions after reading through those and trying to follow then I’m happy to address specific questions you have in this thread

lethal orchid
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There is guild by sei, xenial and few other people

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If not you can easily ask questions here and we can answer and help you figure it out

harsh prairie
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i know this doesn't answer the question, but this is a common question and i do want to point out

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that in a large majority of cases, trying to swop julie damage is just not necessary at all

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in most of the pve teams where she's used in, including kylegbah and several julie agrius dbah teams, even if you don't hit the required damage to 1 shot waves

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the team still works. its just slower

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and then the other side - there's no point in just hitting the dmg required and stopping there, you should rune her to do as much as possible. because that same julie pve build can oftentimes be used for julie galleon wgb team

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so you still want to do as much damage as possible

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my advice for all of these teams is to just rune it the best you can and try it

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fuck swop

blazing veldt
# harsh prairie fuck swop

I honestly expected this answer the most and I did try rune her. But I do still get alot wrong and if I did understood it correctly swop was there to find those runes better. My original plan was to just see how it chosd those runes and copy the way so I understamd runes better

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Cause like, I feel like it sucks having to ask simple questions if there is a guidd and I still dont 100% get it

harsh prairie
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#1274995809447968770

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runing damage dealers shouldn't be hard. you really need to sit down and figure it out

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the more you try it, the easier it becomes

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part of it is that you just have to be aware of what runes you have

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if you jump straight to using swop

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you will never know what your good runes actually are

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and you'll always have to use swop for everything

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even to make any small adjustments

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becomes a big swop project again

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damage dealers are easy because you have a specific speed you need to hit. and then usually 100 cr. and then from there you just try to balance out maximizing atk and cd

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you only have to worry about half the stats in the game

blazing veldt
harsh prairie
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there is no fast and easy way to do this

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it will take a lot of time

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this is a major part of the game

blazing veldt
blazing veldt
# harsh prairie this is a major part of the game

Like I feel extremely weird into the game with knowing half of what im doing/ having half of it done too since I got done with doing my runes for Necro but now I have done my Dungeons and I feel rlly clueless

harsh prairie
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if you enjoy it keep going, don't worry about how slow you are

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work on things 1 at a time

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if this stresses you out or you dread doing this

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and keep delaying trying to learn

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honestly the best advice is to find a different game

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there's tons of games out there

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a lot of people get suckered into this game for the monster summoning part, but there's really much more to this game than that

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it's ok to realize this game is not what you thought it was

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and if you just want to collect shiny monsters, that's cool too. but you don't need to ask anyone for help on collecting shiny monsters if that's all you want to do

blazing veldt
harsh prairie
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swop is a very useful tool but you need to learn how to rune things without it in order to truly be able to use it effectively

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i wouldn't use swop for anything in #guides

blazing veldt
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@harsh prairie What would make sense to make with this new rune event?
I need to make a faster gbah team but I also have my pvp start ahead of me

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What would you recommend?

harsh prairie
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there will be a post in #1049886722831429672 when the event starts

blazing veldt
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Quick question

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It said 1:1 for CD and Atk but I might not understand that

empty snowBOT
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[Message Link](#1403439178498314270 message) to #1403439178498314270
Stats - Attack, CR, and CD

Attack, Crit Rate, and Crit Damage are the 3 main stats that contribute to the damage output of an average damage dealer. Out of these, CR is the most valuable as one of your main goals in PvE is to reach 100% CR on all your main damage dealers. Consistency is super important, PvE content isn't about beating anything just once, but to farm it repeatedly thousands of times.

Once you've reached your CR goals, you want to aim for about a 1:1 balance between bonus Atk and CD. For example, having +1600 Attack and 200 CD on a monster with 800 base attack would be a good balance. But just like HP and Def, don't worry too hard about trying to min-max this.

Some exceptions to keep in mind are monsters with skills that scale on other stats like Spd, HP, or Def (again - check swarfarm). There are skills that scale on both HP and Attack (ex. Vigor S3), as well as skills that scale on only HP and no attack at all (ex. Eshir S3). There are skills that scale on Atk but don't crit (ex. Kaki or bombers), but these aren't as relevant for PvE. For PvE specifically another big consideration are skills that scale on enemy max HP, like Spectra S2. Despite that skill scaling on both Atk and enemy max HP, the max HP part is a lot bigger due to the high health bars of most PvE bosses. This means that you would error a lot more on the side of CD rather than Atk when trying to maximize Spectra's damage.

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blazing veldt
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Here 1:1 balance between bonus atk and CD

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But wouldnt 1:1 be 220 CD:220Atk? Maybe im confused

proven swift
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It’s 1 cd%:1 bonus atk% not 1 raw atk number

blazing veldt
blazing veldt
proven swift
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You do the math from the base attack

blazing veldt
proven swift
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It also doesn’t have to be exact

blazing veldt
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But I still wanted to make sure how I can have it in my brain

proven swift
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I usually do back of the napkin math by just figuring out what is 2x base attack and then compare to 200 cd at a baseline and see how close I am to both of those numbers

blazing veldt
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Cause I could still use those technically as broken runes for some stuff

blazing veldt
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And the closer you are to balancing that the better im guessing

proven swift
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Please don’t tag me in replies. I (or another advisor) will see your questions and come help when we have the time

blazing veldt
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Fuck I tagged you again

proven swift
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Yes that’s how I think about the math. But you’re better off having a ton more atk or cd with being out of balance than you are sticking to exactly balanced with lower stats. More stats is better. This just helps you min max which “more” you aim for if you have roughly equivalent choices

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Don’t farm necro to rune pve teams. Fatal works for Kyle. Rage works for Kyle. Broken works for Kyle

blazing veldt
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Julie is my problem

proven swift
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If you’re at the point where you need to farm necro for PvP offsets and you’ve farmed everything before that step in #guides then go ahead and farm necro

blazing veldt
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Ahh so I csn just stick to Giants

proven swift
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But you should always be evaluating/rolling/selling all runes as you farm them

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They could be useful broken or be a good rune you end up using later

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If they just sit in your inventory they do you no good and waste space. If you sell them because they aren’t “what you were farming for” you’re robbing yourself of good runes

blazing veldt
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Would you recommend just sticking for Giants?

proven swift
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Julie is great on fatal or swift. She doesn’t need rage. A lot of her damage comes from artifacts btw

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Yes we always recommend sticking to giants for rune farming if you aren’t sure what you need. But don’t neglect gems/grinds/artifacts

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You will know it’s time for necro/dragons when you want to start doing other content that needs vio and set effect offsets and you don’t have any

blazing veldt
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I have been fsrming R5 for like 7 days mindlessly ngl

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So I have alot of grinds

proven swift
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7 days is a sneeze in this game

blazing veldt
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True that

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Maybe I go farm artis

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Have been neglecting those

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But at the same time I have like 10 fighting runes and this is required for kylegbah

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Im not sure what needs prio

proven swift
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You don’t need very good fight runes, you just need enough to give each mon 3 sets with the right speeds (and acc on prilea). If you can give prilea a good triple fight build with some damage it helps but isn’t required.