Need help as beginners

[distant osprey]

?sstones

[brazen crypt]

Top 3

• **Galleon **(water pirate captain) - helps to speed up beginner GBAH which is super important because that's the only rune dungeon you should be farming for the entirety of PvE. Also a must-have for siege and arena offense when you get to PvP.
• **Astar **(fire magic knight) - Necro is the hardest PvE dungeon in the game, and she is one of the best monsters for it. She's also useful for monster subjugation, SD farming, speed clearing of ToAN, time limit stages in lab, and Spiritual Realm.
• **Lushen **(wind joker) - essential nat 4 for arena and siege offense in PvP. Also used for end game speed teams in Steel Fortress.

Other important PvE monsters

• Sabrina + Talia (water boomerang warrior and water chakram dancer) - great for speed Dragons, Rifts, and Raids. Usable in Necro and siege offense but not ideal there.
• **Abigail **(water cannon girl) - another ideal monster for Necro, but not used elsewhere like Astar is.

Versatile siege monsters - Siege is the easiest PvP area to get into and also the most rewarding

• **Mihyang **(water sky dancer) - great for both siege offense and defense. Also usable in beginner SR5 teams.
• **Triana **(wind harp magician) - great for both siege offense and defense. Also good for arena defense.
• **Carcano **(fire sniper) - great for both siege offense and defense. Also ideal in dimension hole raids.

If you have everything on this list and are looking for additional elemental nat 4 options, see ?sstones2

[stark bison]

These are the units which i am having so far

[stark bison]

Thx

[distant osprey]

are these ALL the units u have?

[stark bison]

Yes

[barren flame]

he used lapis and fran as exp for other monsters

[distant osprey]

what nruri said

[stark bison]

Bro u fr?Its too much work

[barren flame]

your account barely have any progress

[distant osprey]

its gonna be more work trying to play the game without fran lapis

[barren flame]

like at most you waste few mins, lapis and fran are vital monsters in pve

fran is going to be one of your most used monster in pve alongside veromos

[stark bison]

I already cleared normal and hard mode of all story mode
And b10 for both gaint and fire dragon and b9 of necro

[distant osprey]

make a new account and follow the progression route in https://discord.com/channels/109904961969586176/1192803113460043907

[barren flame]

within the first hour of a new acc, you would be able to clear scenario, grab the runes from summoner's way + this current event, and build a proper gbah team

you will be helping yourself in the long run with lapis and fran in your inventory

[stark bison]

@barren flame hey I just got fran again from scrolls so should I continue with this account

[stark bison]

Just got him now and started building him

[keen hawk]

still missing lapis from what i see

might still just want to restart because its super fast

[barren flame]

if u really want to keep this acc, you could but im still going to advise you to make a new account as you dont have a lapis

and getting a lapis from mystical scrolls is very rng

and somehow i still dont see a fran in that screenshot above

[stark bison]

Isn't bulldozer upgraded version of Fran?

[keen hawk]

what

they dont even do the same thing

[stark bison]

Bruh

[keen hawk]

fran is light fairy queen unawakened i think

[barren flame]

fran as in the awakened name, not the shortform of frankenstein

[stark bison]

Wtf bro

U should have told this first

[barren flame]

i didnt even give an element to the monster name fran, thats why i recommended you to restart, which saves you a lot of time

different monster of the same famiily will always have different skills

[keen hawk]

well we say awakened name here with every monster, thats why he also said lapis and not water magic knight

[stark bison]

Oh damn

[barren flame]

so if someone tells u fran and not light fairy queen (with element name infront), its always the awakened name fran

[stark bison]

Got it 😔

At least is bull dozer any good?

[barren flame]

the only way to get fran is via ancient coins in the ancient coins shop, and its another precious resource

[keen hawk]

not for you in pve

[barren flame]

bulldozer can be used in siege, but its a 3* elemental unit

hence, easily obtainable

[keen hawk]

you should seriously just restart i think

[stark bison]

Is any of my current monster good in pve?

[barren flame]

just restart the account, it helps a lot

as you summon more you are bound to get a lot of usable and meta units throughout your journey

[stark bison]

Man I grinded a lot

[keen hawk]

i promise you

if you follow guides

your new acc will be better than this in 2 days

minimum

[barren flame]

could be done in few hours even, just need to push through scenario, grab the monsters from summoner's way and the event, and you have much more progress than that account without lapis/fran right now

[keen hawk]

true

[stark bison]

@barren flame @keen hawk nvm just got fran from coins

[keen hawk]

still no lapis, if you really want then keep playing this but new acc is still more optimal

[stark bison]

Wait are u talking abt this one right?

[barren flame]

yes

you can just stick to this acc and progress

[stark bison]

So I don't need to create a new account? since I have both now?

[stark bison]

Oh ok

[stark bison]

Is lapis really that good?
I thought free character are usually weak

[keen hawk]

not in this game

[barren flame]

dont apply logic from other gachas to sw, sw functions very differently

?isitgood

[brazen crypt]

Summoners War is a bit different from other monster collection games. Higher rarity monsters are not always better than lower rarity monsters. There are many nat 2* and 3* monsters that are used even by end game players with everything available to them. When it comes to new players and early game, the developers intentionally made a bunch of farmable and fuseable lower rarity monsters to be the best monsters in the game for PvE content. That means that no matter what shiny rare 4* or 5* monster you manage to summon on, they won't help you progress at all. These nat 4* and nat 5* monsters are designed to be good for PvP later in the game, not PvE. Check out our detailed progression guides in the #guides channel.

[stark bison]

Wtf even nat 2* are used?

Which 2*?

[barren flame]

you dont need to worry about that at this point, just follow the guides

[stark bison]

Oh ok

Just curious

[barren flame]

you dont look at the natural star rating to determine whether a monster is good

[stark bison]

I see

[keen hawk]

some ld5s are garbage for example

[barren flame]

eventually you will encounter nat2* monsters that are used in pve+pvp

[keen hawk]

#guides is the place you want to be alot now
and #1048681073502068917 for other useful guides

[keen hawk]

@stark bison lets talk here and not spam general

[stark bison]

Sry

[keen hawk]

did you follow the ?gbah command

and have s rank in all rift beasts

and can clear toa and toah 1-100

because all of that is mentioned before necro 10

[stark bison]

Oh damn

I'm in 50

Toah

Nvm.

[keen hawk]

okay tod

[stark bison]

I'll clear it then I'll try

[keen hawk]

i need you to listen now

i want you to go to #1048681073502068917

and look for beginner playthrough 2025

and then you read that from start to the point where you are right now
and progress from there following the guide

and also check out #guides for commands you might have to read and need
follow it in order
dont try stuff thats not mentioned

[stark bison]

Oh ok

Understood

[keen hawk]

perfect

if you have more questions, feel free to ping me in here

can change the name of this to Tods help thread or something

[stark bison]

Need help as beginners

Now good?

Changed the name

[keen hawk]

yea thats fine

[stark bison]

?crystal

?crystals

[brazen crypt]

• Crystal Titan
• Energy refreshes (Including Dimensional Hole Energy)
• Crystal Dragon

[stark bison]

@keen hawk dude i have been looking into tier list and got this one but is there any way to find this units name?
Idk these units name(whichever I have marked in Red colour)

[keen hawk]

Ignore tier lists

ignore youtube guides

follow the guides on this server

its seriously that simple

[stark bison]

Ok but can I know this units name?

[keen hawk]

you can go ingame on Monster->Collection

there you can look for every monster and click on it for the name

[stark bison]

Oh ok

[keen hawk]

just dont build them if you dont need them
this server has improved guides over years, written by very good endgame players

you wont find a faster way to progress anywhere else most likely, and our guides also teach you the game while you progress so that you can actually learn and not just copy paste stuff

if something in the guides is hard to understand you can always ping me for clarification but i wont really help you with any guides you find on youtube

?youtuber

[brazen crypt]

Youtuber videos, including guides on the official Summoners War YT channel, tend to be off-meta information or made for entertainment purposes.

We recommend asking for assistance in #1047269577614164098 and utilizing the collection of command guides pinned in #bot-commands.

Any off-meta teams belong in #off-meta-fun and any questions/suggestions can posted in #1047269577614164098.

[stark bison]

Oh ok but I have bought everything in crystal like crystal titan and crystal dragon now what should I spend this crystal on?
Besides energy refresh

I checked guide it didn't say anything besides buying energy

[keen hawk]

Energy refresh.

it says nothing else bcs thats pretty much the only thing you do

dhole and normal energy

[stark bison]

Is scroll packs bad?

[keen hawk]

Farming is the most important part of the game, so you want to farm as much as possible

[keen hawk]

its absolutely terrible, bad is a understatement

[stark bison]

Oh I see

[keen hawk]

premium pack 1 gives you 11 scrolls for 750 crystals
750 crystals is 2500k energy

i opened 199 mystical scrolls since the get 1 for every 10 event started
not spending a single crystal on scrolls
which is around 18-19 premium packs worth of ms

this should pretty much show you how bad that bundle is

One of the most important things you have to understand is that summoners war is mostly about runes and not about monsters, you can play through entire pve without a single premium unit and can even play high level pvp with f2p units

but even the best ld5s in the game wont help you without runes
and you wont get runes without energy to farm

[stark bison]

Oh ok now i understood
So runes>other things in this game?
So is runes 6* legend pack worth?

[keen hawk]

its not great no

its better than a premium pack but still not worth to buy

because you can also just get runes by farming

which you can do with energy

You said you have a gbah team running right? can i see which team that is please?

[stark bison]

@keen hawk is it worth to buy dimensions rift energy with crystal?
Or just dimension hole?since the guide didn't mention anything abt dimension rift

[keen hawk]

Just dimension hole

D Rift is something you will barely use enough that you would need more than the 3 rift crystals you get for free every day
i do not play dimensional rift at all honestly

if you need to level something you can just run faimon hell and get inugamis while farming

[wooden kraken]

Drift is useless

[stark bison]

I need to lvl up my monster tho

They're all stuck at lvl 30-37

[keen hawk]

faimon hell

[stark bison]

Ok

[vast lynx]

In this game, many f2p mons can be and will be stronger than hard to get mons or rarer mons

[stark bison]

Yeah just realised that now
Many 2* and 3* are so good

[vast lynx]

Even some nat4 or even nat3 can be stronger than a select few ld5

[stark bison]

Now except necro I'm able to clear almost all dungeon

[wooden kraken]

this game is pretty unique in that a lot of the monsters the game gives you for free are very good and worthwhile building

[vast lynx]

One example is lushen vs Celestara

[stark bison]

Yeah griffon is op

[vast lynx]

Lushen is an unconditional aoe ignore defense while Celestara needs a lot more setup to achieve aoe ignore defense thats only slightly higher damage than Lushen

Wind nat4 vs dark nat5

There’s more examples of this that you can find

[vast lynx]

One of the worst mindsets in this game is that the rarer the Mon the better

Dont build every rare thing you get

[stark bison]

Why

[vast lynx]

Do some research into it so you don’t waste precious resources in the early game

[keen hawk]

just dont build stuff you dont need

dont build something because you heard it can be good

if you dont need it for something right now
why build it

[wooden kraken]

to be precise u should be only building monsters mentioned in #guides

[keen hawk]

^^^

[wooden kraken]

these monsters arent something you would eventually replace at all

they are used by even endgame players

[vast lynx]

Not 100% true but definitely yes

[wooden kraken]

is still true, for example ling ling is irreplaceable for sfah

[median crown]

Name 1 example

[vast lynx]

Fuco (pcah)

Most of the monsters you build for the guides do tend to be irreplaceable but not all

Also kro

[median crown]

Fuco is usable in end game siege

Kro is definitely used in various PvE teams end game

We make a big effort to not suggest any replaceable monster in the guides

It’s 100%.

[vast lynx]

That’s great

[stark bison]

These are the monsters I've built so far
Am I progressing correctly?

[median crown]

No

If you have built and runed monsters that are not mentioned in guides, you are not progressing correctly

You also have not built monsters that are required very early on in guides like mav

[stark bison]

?monsterrule

[brazen crypt]

Monster Rules

• Never use Nat 4's or above as fodder.

  • Always keep 1 of each. the rule also applies to L&D Nat 3's and above.
  • Nat 4's should only be used as fodder when skilling up a monster in its family

• Save a copy of each monster with a fusion tag https://i.imgur.com/j4sqZKz.gif

  • If it's a 2* you can ignore this rule, they're fairly easy to obtain
  • Save one Wind Penguin (Mav) for toah use. Needs 11 penguins for skill ups
  • Any natural (nat) 1/2/3 star monster not mentioned can be used as fodder. See ?evolving

• Try to evolve monsters by using the family as fodder. This way they reach the next evolution grade while also getting skilled up.

• Duplicate Nat 5's can be turned into ancient crystals. DO NOT BUY A SPLENDID BLESSING

  • Ancient crystals should be spent on buying reap worthy runes. Ask in #1047269577614164098 if you should buy a specific rune

• Save enough of the following mons to Skill up their useful family member as the end of ?progression nears for PVP use.

  • Epikion Priest, Harg, Giant Warrior, Living Armor, Frankenstein, High Elemental, Werewolf.
  • Rina,(13)/Chloe,(12) (Epikion Priest) .
  • Racuni,(8)/Dova,(8) (Harg) .
  • Skogul,(10)/Trasar,(10) (Giant Warrior).
  • Copper,(16) (Living Armor).
  • Vigor,(11)/Eshir(11) (Werewolves). Vigor is amongst the most used 2a's.
  • Bulldozer,(14)/Tractor,(10) (Frankenstein).
  • Kahli,(12) (High Elemental).
  • Megan(Mystic Witch). Keep every copy of Rebecca for Triana skillups (Harmonia Fusion).

• See /monster [monstername] for each monster if you want more info on a monster.