understanding rta

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hello. ive been playing rta for a really long time. yet, ive struggled to climb for a few seasons now. i wanted to make this thread to learn more and go in depth with rta stuff. runing, box, etc

is szl pickable every game?

in some games, he ends up not doing much

ive picked him basically every game ive played so far

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Szl is strong bc he enables aoe control comps in the current meta. Cleanse block, consistent cc (even if you glancing him or vs monsters with things like nyx passive his double activations are strong)
He also brings def break so helps enable damage

Let’s you play through things like Juno vero Josephine

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ive actually been facing issues when fighting veromos. im guessing this is because of my lack of a good follow up?

i killed 2 units and made it a 4v2

they slowly chipped away my health though

and i just lost

im guessing sekhmet is kinda bad early here

since there werent many signs of contesting

im not quite sure whod fit well here though however

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I don’t think pater was the ban here

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oh, i thought pater was similar to hg

but instead of a strip, he'd get immunity up

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Show me your szl

Is it cr4

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ya

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Oliver?

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my oli is on hp 4

i could try cr

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Kinda fast

Is this tuned to all your strippers you play

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nope

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You defo don’t need to ban pater

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only jeogun

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Useless then

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oh

should i lower his speed for more stats then

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You should have a core that is tuned

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a +170 core should suffice right?

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Don’t have random ego sets

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i think i could do that

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i had it on a faster set because hg was annoying

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Whatever lets you build a decent sized core that is tuned properly

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i guess i dont really need it

alright

ill rerune rq

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Jg + fast follow up can beat hg and pater

But here you drafted and Runed for it but then banned wrong

With this speed monkey you ban Juno and insta win

Draft was fine

Juno just bc it’s the most annoying to control more than one turn. Oliver can just perma pushback the vero

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wdym beat?

as in cutting them?

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Yes

Hg and pater boost 20 bar

Jeogun boosts 5bar

Think of it as - if your szl is fast enough - a 5bar boost isn’t enough to make them move

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wouldnt i need a pretty fast one then

mines around 20 speed slower than my jeogun currently

im not sure if i could cut that way

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how fast will it need to be assuming a +180 pater go do the math and come back to me

you need to be able to answer that question yourself

do some basic effort

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ok wait

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is attack bar in the battle testing different

my szl got cut here

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rta ticks are different

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oh darn

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Yeah but what speeds did you test here

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is there a good calculator i could use

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211 jeogun and 163 szl

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Too slow

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pater was 181

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Szl needs to be faster for this

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i cant make my core that fast

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Szl is cool here because he could work for this on vio but it would require always drafting swift

Like chiwu jeogun or Lora or something

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i just made him slower than my hg

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If this is winning you a lot of games and you can draft force bans to get jg consistently - being able to beat hg will make you climb

But szl is the best unit in the game

So don’t give him some niche set for a counter

My 2c

I only called out this bc it worked with your current tuning

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if i wanted to use it, id have to drop hg

i dont use hg often

so idk

most hgs get thrown in the pit vs me

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I’m confused. Why does you picking hg come into this convo

We’re talking about beating enemy drafting it

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well, you said to make my units tuned to my strippers

so i made szl slower than my hg

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Ok

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since hes another stripper i have

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Yeah that is correct

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would it be more valuable for me to have the ability to cut hgs

or actually use hg

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Up to you

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ill just go with faster szl then

my sets get a lot better when i dont use hg

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Sek needs max acc

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we wait until a sack in giants..

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what do i do against these teams?

i dont think i could contest them much

for the first game, i though veromos would counter giana

he did well

i just couldnt get anything on the enemy though

seara got a turn with bomb and missed on oliver

i banned water monkey because i thought he was more annoying than the others

maybe an oliver ban wouldve been better?

second game, he did his skills, i got a turn with szl s3, his water monkey took a turn and full stunned my team

veromos was probably bad here?

would angela work better

i banned sonia because he could just one tap one of my units

is verde a good option vs these

he did really really well against these haha

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why didnt you pick haegang in the first draft

second draft he went full contest and you did nothing to stop it

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u should read up a bit

but anyways, im not using haegang

i dont think hes worth runing

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.

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what despair units do you have runed

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i have zero

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ok but you can still rune a haegang

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yes

it just wouldnt be tuned

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and in this case he will most likely get banned anyways

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ok

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I think not even runing one is kinda inting

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i can see it being true ye

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wait how can you not tune a haegang if you have no other despair units runed? you farm giants no?

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his szl is +185 or smth

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oh this is going back to the 'slow down szl or keep it fast to cut enemy hae?' stuff? makes sense

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yup

id need a +210 despair set

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ur him

u prolly got it

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one day

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klo has a couple of these lying around, maybe he can lend you one

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how do i go into beating this?

hes ex g2 so i dropped the idea of outspeeding him

douglas was a terrible terrible pick

the idea was to sack his adriana

i thought i could get a turn with jeogun after his adriana ethna and yh moved

but his yh just one tapped my jeogun

was this a promising possible hg pick

yh ban into hg pick perhaps?

even then i doubt id outspeed

but he has no strips

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he doesnt have strippers u dont really need to ban maxi if ur on will

if you look at the first 4, i would prolly take a fire megumi in 4/5

fire meg makes the opener awkward for him to strip ur important units

megumi haegang + ban last might win

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i dont have a fire megumi

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megumi layla might be

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no layla either

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verde

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i always knew he was the goat

alright

got it

ty

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the overall angle is he giga commited t1

he has 3 swift units likely in 1-4

2 high base, + 33 lead

its really easy for him to last pick another lead (even another 33)

so u cant race

but if you look at his first 4, he both lacks consistent strip, and he lacks anything aoe cc

his best bet is to snipe 1 target

but he cant really full kill you turn 1

verde stops ethna from giga cycling with s2 or at least makes him think about it

szl + seara both can really punish if not dead

you prolly need some sort of single target or aoe strip to make it so they dont just chill behind adriana buffs

hg is a pick here for sure

sek is weird bc ur not ever outspeeding here

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so, i try to punish enemy for going too hard on t1

and i should try to read his draft a bit more

check what he has and what he lacks?

do you ever try to simulate what happens during the battle beforehand

is that a thing people do

this is fun

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how do i try and win against these?

here was my thought process with the ban

chandra boosts -> vela immunity -> i dont do anything

so i banned chandra

a few people told me to just

ban sagar

and strip vela immunity

im not quite sure whether racing a chandra is very good. + the miles can stun me just as easily

ive seen a lot of people running him on swift

i picked jeogun here to have some contest

but the miles ended up outspeeding either way

its a pretty annoying draft i fight sometimes and its kind of hindering my progression when im fighting actual good players with the draft

im hovering above c3 rn and im trying to get into punisher hopefully

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Just ban sagar and see what happens

If u jeogun gets stunned then wait a turn

Look at his draft

He's got nothing

No real follow up

Ultimately he won't be able to keep ur jeogun stunned and you'll strip

Then he loses

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he has immunity

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I mean even IF it is a swift Chandra what is he going to do? He's annoying sure but u have strippers and fire poney to mitigate the dmg from miles should he become too much of an issue

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i do nothing

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U have 2 strippers?

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miles stun

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He banned one, u have the other

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ban one strip

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Read my initial comment

He's got nothing

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miles stunned me first turn that game

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Ur jeogun IF he gets stunned, won't be stunned forever

After which, u just kill everything

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3 turn immunity

miles can kill me

chandra can kill me

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I doubt so but even then, u can always shield and wait it out

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i could maybe yea

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His team doesn't rlly do anything without sagar

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aya

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You'll outlive her with fire poney

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i think that might work

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Dont forget she also consumes her own hp

Pretty sure u could win that regardless

One def break and the follow up should clear her

Last time I played on ur acc and ran into an aya

I just cleaved through

And it worked

Just ban the thing YOU KNOW is gonna be most annoying, not the one that has an off chance of doing something crazy

Sagar is definitely that imo

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aite

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is there a good counter for these?

i think having a speed threat would be nice but my team kinda feels useless without an aoe strip

if i were to go for a speed threat in place of szl would it work better

not quite sure who would work well in my comp though

its the same with this

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how do i fight angela

she feels so annoying to fight against

her shield is just

if shun got through i wouldve won i think