wintry kite
Hello! So, im following the ?ad guide, and I have a few questions:
obsidian nimbus
Just put her on generic tanky runes. You might be worrying too much about ad, spend more time improving offense
Multiple strippers are never redundant, they all do other things too
That being said you should avoid using unskilled anything on def
wintry kite
Just put her on generic tanky runes. You might be worrying too much about ad, sp...
I probably am. Its just that I want to shoot for g1 arena finish and its kind of hard when you only have access to 1 kind of arena offense, lacking premiums for other offenses
I can currently only do Lushen offense. THAT IS, if doublesnipe ao is worth building without owning Jamire, and that im not so sure of
wintry kite
That being said you should avoid using unskilled anything on def
Oh, okay. In that case, I think Vanessa Clara Vero Vigor is the best I can do then, lacking any real premiums in each category (e.g: not having Triton, Juno, Nora, Camilla, etc. let alone the devilmons)
obsidian nimbus
If you’re shooting for g1, that ad is fine - don’t think too hard about trying to make it better
wintry kite
alright, I wont.
wintry kite
Show your lushen offense
I think the glaring issue is my swift topset not being great, routinely losing speed races against a triton 33 lead, which is supposed to give me 4 base speed advantage with Kabilla. As for Lushen, I know the atk/cd balance is off, but considering 10atk = ~1%cd, this is what gave me the most net-damage as per swop. As for Psamathe, he was tricky to rune since I don't really know how to tune him to the rest of the team. Like, I don't know how much speed to give him, so maybe I could be giving him more damage and not knowing it
obsidian nimbus
Yes you’ll run into real fast people sometimes but on a whole you should still be outspeeding vast majority of tritons at that speed, aiming for g1
Psama is best on double nem will
This makes him really good into enemy psama
His speed (approx +100) is fine
wintry kite
Yes you’ll run into real fast people sometimes but on a whole you should still b...
yeah, its like a 50/50 shot for me outspeeding tritons with Kabilla. I'll have to farm more necro to put Psamathe on double nem will
obsidian nimbus
Is it really 50/50? I’d be surprised if you were getting outsped that often
wintry kite
Well, more like 60/40 (outspeeding/getting outsped), but I still feel like it happens more often than it should
wintry kite
I can currently *only* do Lushen offense. THAT IS, if doublesnipe ao is worth bu...
THAT IS, if doublesnipe ao is worth building without owning Jamire, and that im not so sure of
Is this worth the possible investment?
The ?ao command mentions that you can run another speed lead in place of Jamire, but what is your opinion?
obsidian nimbus
It’s not great right now I wouldn’t do it
You have nothing else?
Everything requires good runes anyway, there are no shortcut teams
wintry kite
It’s not great right now I wouldn’t do it
ah alright. I'll just work with what I have ig
wintry kite
Everything requires good runes anyway, there are no shortcut teams
Yeah I know that, I wasn't looking for a shortcut, just more teams for AO, even if its an alternative version. It would me climb ranks because it would allow me to hit more kinds of defenses. I hardly see lushenable defenses past p3, which is my highest finish currently. Like during rush, I could get 2-3 pages in a row of defenses I can't cleave with Lushen.
obsidian nimbus
I still lushen defs in g3
Use midweek to limit test what you can lushen
You may be able to safely lushen more than you think
wintry kite
Is it really 50/50? I’d be surprised if you were getting outsped that often
maybe it is 50/50
final spindle
Why not run this?
ionic flame
Swift gapped with 33 lead will be even worse with 24
And I’m p sure he’s posting a def he got outsped by not an off he’s using
wintry kite
And I’m p sure he’s posting a def he got outsped by not an off he’s using
Yes. The defense I posted outsped my Fat Lushen AO
wintry kite
Even though he won since his ao is off will/shield
Huh? I lost, unless he is referring to the defense. If thats the case, fat lushen offense is supposed to be on will/shield?
final spindle
I meant that your psamathe,kabilla,konamiya.lushen ao beats the maxi defense you posted
Since based on the picture of the ao you posted you’re not using will/shield sets
wintry kite
I meant that your psamathe,kabilla,konamiya.lushen ao beats the maxi defense you...
you mean like base speed diff wise?
wintry kite
Since based on the picture of the ao you posted you’re not using will/shield set...
Why would I use will/shield sets on Lushen AO?
ionic flame
You usually want will on psama so his skills don’t get reset
But this whole thing is a sidetrack, don’t worry about it
Just keep farming and improving your builds, and spend some time testing your offenses so you have a better sense what they can hit before rush
wintry kite
You usually want will on psama so his skills don’t get reset
i thought they meant on everybody except lushen, I know Psama works best on will + nem x2
but yeah ill just keep farming tbh
ionic flame
The reason they asked is:
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ionic flame
Woonsa only boosts if he strips
wintry kite
ooooh
final spindle
You should post your whole box so we can help you make 33 triton counters
wintry kite
You should post your whole box so we can help you make 33 triton counters
Like Arena Offenses to counter Triton?
final spindle
Yes
wintry kite
I read ?ao, and like I said, there is not one team where I have all of the monsters required to even consider runing them
final spindle
I don’t use any of the teams in ?ao except lamiella amber
It’s just a guideline
It doesn’t cover every team combinations for certain defenses
wintry kite
ah, I see. I guess im so used to following the guides to a T that I dont consider the other options, as I dont have much knowledge
I'll send my box, im just starting my rush while im doing it so it might be a bit
final spindle
Too late to start runing. Just focus on rush and send box after
wintry kite
ok
wintry kite
I have a few strippers on hand, but they're not like hard/strong strippers like Tiana, Haegang or even Triton himself.
final spindle
Carlos lead,Leo,konamiya,and lushen for 33 tritons with no amduats and tian langs
wintry kite
I dont have Leo. I have red leo though 🥲
final spindle
Oh I thought u had him based on the first picture
final spindle
Lmao
wintry kite
yeah I genuinely dont know what gives
maybe swgt is a terrible way of gathering box intel
ig im better off sc them manually
final spindle
We’ll get Leo next stone rotation or free nat 5 event
wintry kite
yes
But for the meantime, is there anything you can cook up, offense wise?
I finished p2 this time around sadly, but my personal highest is p3
final spindle
Let’s see
You could try vero,sath,hemos, and tomoe
For 33 tritons teams that don’t reapply immunity buff
Just keep applying poison. Vero s2 when you can and tomoe s3 on the enemy with the most poison debuffs(and hopefully stunned so you can spread that too)
For hemos, use s2 first and then s3 so the additional turn can help you cycle back into his s2
Gonna cook up another team but give me a few minutes so I don’t look stupid
final spindle
Ok I can’t cook the one I’m thinking with your box. Just remember to keep a dupe wind exorcist association hunter
If you get one
final spindle
Without Leo you’re pretty much stuck with the dot t2 teams for rush
obsidian nimbus
@final spindle i appreciate your enthusiasm to give advice but a lot of what you're suggesting is extremely questionable
leo carlos team is unreliable and i would never recommend it to anyone
same for aya teams, they suck
completely f2p dot teams are really bad
final spindle
Ik the dot team isn’t the best, but I was trying to give him the best one I can think of since he wants g1 asap. He doesn’t have tr1x,Nora,nor moogwang
Also why is aya team bad? If the defense is Vanessa triton and say ren for example, aya teams can kill them very fast
Especially Leo,feng yan, double aya or maybe even single aya plus 1
Carlos fair. It’s just a cheese team for quickly getting g1 if the tritons don’t kill the bird
wintry kite
Is this defense lushenable? I'm worried about fire guy surviving but idk
kind stirrup
That's why you have psama for cleanup
obsidian nimbus
you should try it
i dunno exactly how good that new guy is
if it was any other fire monster then 100% yes
this is exactly the type of def you're searching for to hit
actually if you could, hit it and share replay win or lose
i'm curious to see the order of his passive vs psama
wintry kite
Oh shit, I didn't see this earlier, and I ended up refreshing the list. Sorry!
golden light
i'm curious to see the order of his passive vs psama
Psama passive is first
final spindle
Fire Jin can also cut in between Alice’s s3 into s2 guaranteed unlike Moore upon freezing/killing an enemy
obsidian nimbus
thanks for testing
the fact that psama counter goes before fire jin makes fire jin kinda shitty
or i guess not shitty, maybe hes still good in other areas, but as far as lushening him goes, it doesn't make him a major deterrent
i was worried that if fire jin goes first, then he could strip will off your psama and then enemy psama can stun/increase cd on him
wintry kite
If you’re shooting for g1, that ad is fine - don’t think too hard about trying t...
Now, question: I have runes on these monsters on my AD, which is still: Vanessa Clara Vero Vigor. While I use Vero & Vigor in various PvE content, I dont use the former two anywhere else besides AD. So, am I safe to derune them as I need said runes from those monsters, since AD is just 95% deterrent anyways?
