#question about fat lushen AO

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limpid wigeon
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my pve progression has been almost completed (only need to 2a shamann to finish my auto nbah team) so i think its time for me to switch to pvp progression right now.

reading the beginner pvp guide, seem like i would start my pvp with fat lushen in arena offense, and i have some questions to ask.

  1. about lead spd skill, since i dont have psama would tatsuya be an okay substitute? and would i rune him as super spd or also dmg build?

  2. i dont have any kabilla so i would prob use bernard. is it mandatory to 2a him to be actually useful, or is it fine to put him unawakened?

  3. do we have a spd threshold for kona/bernard to fully use this team?

  4. about lushen, since i will also start fusing fire joker for his skill up, i wanna ask is it fine to stop fusing if i reach max skill on his 3rd skill or do i have to max every skills?

thanks for the help.

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autumn oriole
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i think @zenith shuttle used fire megumi before for lushen ao? (sorry for the ping)

zenith shuttle
autumn oriole
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bernard is fine, 2aing him does improve his s3 by giving it more ATB boost so i would recommend it. and he's great for siege anyway

zenith shuttle
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yeah I did

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if you have no better options hes not a bad choice

limpid wigeon
zenith shuttle
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he would go on a similar build as susano in #1048719420870107227

autumn oriole
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spd threshold is just getting as much speed as possible on bernard to speed contest, kona would just be tuned to bernard

limpid wigeon
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bernard 2a is a good one to spend on?

autumn oriole
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yes

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though i would say it's not hard to tune without it if you don't consider siege a high priority

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but it's not a waste if you do

limpid wigeon
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cause im still prio shamann first

autumn oriole
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u can tune kona to bernard without 2a easily

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so it's not a big deal

limpid wigeon
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what is spd tuning in sw

zenith shuttle
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this should be explained in #1048719420870107227

autumn oriole
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yea, read this section #1048719420870107227 message

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it uses lushen ao as a classic example into why this works

limpid wigeon
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oh yeah and that question about lushen skill up too

autumn oriole
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yeah the team is fine, the runes matter more here anyway. skilling up s1/s2 is for cleanup, i wouldn't bother fusing more jokers after his s3 is maxed

limpid wigeon
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thanksies

spiral sorrel
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@autumn oriole @zenith shuttle bernard should absolutely be 2A'ed

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he is not just a booster

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he is a bruiser and another source of damage

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it's not realistic to expect lushen teams to just wipe out all enemies with lushen s3

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you need your other 3 monsters that are not lushen to be runed very well to ensure you can clean up

prime briar
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Also if you 2A Bernard, you can skill up his S3 so that it gives even more of a boost, which means you can give your other monsters even more stats.

spiral sorrel
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that was what alright and simi was saying

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but my point is that that's super minor compared to how much better bernard becomes as a bruiser

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for example

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bernard s2 gains speed scaling with awakening. unawakened bernard s2 only scales on atk

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if you have an average +200 spd bernard, that means his s2 goes from having a 5x atk multiplier to nearly 10x

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his base atk also gets increased a ton, percentage wise

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it goes from 417 to 549 which is more than 30% increase

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compare that to some other random 2a bruiser like i dunno, tractor? his base def goes from 681 to 758 which is only a 10% increase

zenith shuttle
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Yes I agree bernard is huge in cleanup for lushen offense and should always be 2a'd

limpid wigeon
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its just my prio is still shamann first

limpid wigeon
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would tomoe or tetsuya be better?

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idk about tomoe dmg but seem like her lead is just 4% diff than tetsu

autumn oriole
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tomoe isnt that good in terms of dmg. just keep using tetsuya

limpid wigeon
spiral sorrel
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i just read from beginning

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you're thinking way too far ahead

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you don't need to build pvp monsters now if you haven't even finished pve yet

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you will summon thousands of scrolls and get new monsters by the time you do

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finishing pve doesn't mean you're instantly ready for pvp either

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you should be farming for the same amount of time after finishing pve to start pvp, as it took you to complete all of pve

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that means if it took you a month to do pve, you should be farming for another month before being ready for pvp

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of course that doesn't mean don't touch arena until then. you still should do waht you can

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but you shouldn't waste time building random suboptimal monsters if you don't even have the runes for them yet

limpid wigeon
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and maybe bernard 2a ofc

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since i already have a lushen built in rune, just farm for his skill up

autumn oriole
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you gotta have to compare ur lushen with the one in #1048719420870107227

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if its worse then its basically unacceptable and u have to farm more

limpid wigeon
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well ig i have to farm more (i still havent lv15 my slot 1 rune so there is still extra 48 flat atk)

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spiral sorrel
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there has been significant rune quality power creep since then

limpid wigeon
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thats kinda wacky

spiral sorrel
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you're not remotely close to having a beginner lushen

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but you shouldn't expect to have one either if you're still working on pve

limpid wigeon
spiral sorrel
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i don't understand what you mean

limpid wigeon
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what is your consideration to be on "finish pve"?

spiral sorrel
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finish everything in step 2 of beginner guides?

limpid wigeon
spiral sorrel
limpid wigeon