check if ur meeting 1500 def through the def lead and def skills
#Yuu's questions
toxic ether
toxic ether
she could be faster still but the ehp looks good
she doesnt need any acc btw so try gemming them out
primal depotBOT
102315 ehp. Deffbroken: 53437 ehp.
toxic ether
u need 220k ehp
cloud storm
this is my konamiya bl
toxic ether
that one u have to calc using leader skills and summoner skills
oh kona
doesnt she need 120k
toxic ether
well yea but if kona is on violent u dont need to give him resistance
primal depotBOT
133463 ehp. Deffbroken: 68862 ehp.
cloud storm
what did I do to my kona
I dont understand the 15% spd increase tho from skills
does this show combined speed?
with fran 10% spd lead this will hit 200spd+ but I am still confused
I thought the 15% from skills go straight on top of this but it seems the formular is a bit different
cloud storm
ah okay
toxic ether
91 * (1.10 + 1.15) + 90 from runes
113.75, decimals always round up (even 113.01) so it goes to 114 speed
then 90 from runes
cloud storm
yeah that makes it like 204
toxic ether
204 speed
cloud storm
good
cloud storm
oh yeah
so my cleansers should be done hopefully
what about lulus cleanse
?devilmon
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- Galleon if used on your gbah team (S1 and s3) (see 2nd part of the
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✥ Nat 5★ monsters are generally prioritized with devilmon. However, there are 4★ monsters which require skill-ups and are worth devilmoning ASAP (for example, galleon for 100% harmful effect rate on S3). For more information about this, check the 4* skillup part of #1048719420870107227 .
cloud storm
it isn't mentioned in here but the r5 guide says that the cleansers want their cleanse skills maxed
toxic ether
mostly to reduce the cooldown to max 3 turns so they can cleanse in time
kona is 2* u can easily max her
cloud storm
kona and delphoi are done
toxic ether
lulu 2a is already maxed cooldown, so it doesnt need devil
cloud storm
I farmed some fusions for her
cloud storm
nono
toxic ether
u can use raviti which has 3* skillups or fedora which are guildshop but also only has 1 skillup to max
but yea
primal depotBOT
151977 ehp. Deffbroken: 70331 ehp.
cloud storm
for darion, does he still want high spd if I dont use him in gbah anymore
sand quartz
at least faster than yr dd's
since he's not only there for his passive but also his debuffs
cloud storm
ok so my left and right teams are really doing well while my middle team died already
but I cleared r5 already with just auto runing the dds
cloud storm
I am not really going to start trying pcah but I am curious if I want to farm fusions for eirgar
if he needs some skill ups I might prepare them a little bit
toxic ether
it's not worth fusing him skillups
initially ur verde should be getting the skillups anyway
i worry ur rushing sr5 too much, u havent really said much about working on rifts
did u farm rifts to get the gems u need?
cloud storm
no, most of my runes that I use are not gemed yet
cloud storm
i worry ur rushing sr5 too much, u havent really said much about working on rift...
tbh this r5 was more like a test run because I noticed that I can build the cleansers and skogul already, like my other mons arent really 100% done yet
my fran isnt on vio but I think that is nothing I can fix yet if gbah doesnt drop vio
also I ran completely out of mana
toxic ether
no, most of my runes that I use are not gemed yet
yea this is something u need to work on then
the expectation is that even in early PvE every rune you have on all of your monsters that you use should be gemmed and grinded
that means, as soon as u get useable grinds and gems that u can use on ur runes, use them immediately
cloud storm
personally I am worried that I end up gemming and grinding useless or not optimal runes or even destroy some potential by locking wrong lines
but at the same time I feel like that is also expected as a beginner
toxic ether
that's a natural concern to have, but if it's a rune that's being used and you have available gems/grinds to use, if it makes the monster better in the end then you should still do it anyway
you can always farm more runes, more grinds, gems to get what you need for future rune upgrades
so it's not a big deal in the end, especially when right now your priority is to finish pve
cloud storm
yeah thanks
cloud storm
what is the reason that bella wants his turn after eigar in pcah? is it because of the vamp buff that eigar gives bella?
in that case if bella is tanky enough he can also move first?
toxic ether
he applies def break
with his s1
you usually have ur buffer move 1st, def breakers 2nd, DDs third
cloud storm
yeah his def break still goes before the dd
I was just wondering if eigar > bella bc of the vamp buff that helps bella to survive
I was trying out pcah and my kro is really a glass cannon, I think I really have to pray to get enough ehp from grinding his runes
toxic ether
eirgar just goes first so he can buff the team and debuff the monster. it doesnt matter that much
yea pcah is a step up in terms of difficulty but it's not too tough. you would actually have to rerune your kro to be much tankier but that would decrease his dmg so it's more advisable to swap him out for something else like fuco or pang
but you're still skipping too ahead
focus on rifts right now
toxic ether
the other thing is if u want to use kro in pcah
u need to give him a -light artifact too
cloud storm
eirgar survives until the end
toxic ether
u should just use something else than kro tbh
yea, but eirgar is going to be your main tank for pcah
if u bring in kro u have to split dmg between those two
cloud storm
kro dies first, then raoq, then erigar/verde at the same time and a lot later bella
bella is so tanky because of the new runes
toxic ether
again ur still going too far ahead in terms of the guide
u need to farm rifts to get the gems u need
cloud storm
yeah true
cloud storm
but I really have to urge you to resist the temptation of wasting your time. As mentioned in the intro, all of PvE is purely about stats, and Vio actively hurts the majority of PvE teams. Stick with Giants farming if you want to progress faster, the only time you should farm DBAH for the duration of this entire guide is if you need a 10x for your Daily Mission.
about dbah, won't it make sense to farm a vio set for fran? I heard a couple of times that having her on vio would be top priority and help for most of the previous steps in beginner guide
sand quartz
u already are "farming" a vio set for fran by choosing vio for all your events/rewards where u get to choose a rune set
cloud storm
oh yeah I was too new and got blade sets last event
how often do we get rune choosing events? I can see we get 3 more random runes this 4000day event
sand quartz
hard to say, as com2us doesnt exactly do x amount of certain events a year
cloud storm
okay so it is giants farming until I start doing pvp ig
cloud storm
is that fran better now for every pve content? I managed to get her back on vio by hand but she is barely touching that 1.5k def with leader and skills, maybe after I farm some grinds
toxic ether
that looks fine to me. a bit high acc but if you can't gem out its better than nothing
cloud storm
that's good, I noticed I still don't have a high sss rate on water beast so I wanted to rebuild fran and mav before farming it
what is the requirement for SSS? does it mean that I have to deal a lot of damage when he is down/groggy?
toxic ether
no sss automatically happens when youre basically able to kill the boss in second phase
the damage is pretty much irrelevant, the quality of gems dropped by rift beasts are not affected by dmg and rather by rank only
cloud storm
I can kill the boss every single time
it is just that I only get SS in 40% of the time
does kro need acc% in any content? otherwise I might gem it out for atk%
cloud storm
it seems like 3.5million or so makes the score sss
would you use an immemorial gem to gem out flat atk on this rune?
toxic ether
eh i wouldnt on that rune, but its an intangible which means u can only use immemorials
up to you
cloud storm
if I gem a line, let's say hp 7-11% or so and it hits 7%
and then decide to grind that, is it bad? do I want a 10% hp roll first before grinding? or will the grind stay if I gem it again with another hp% gem
toxic ether
u can regem it even if u grind it and it will reroll again, i believe
slim basin
The grind does not stay if you regem. So you can choose to wait to grind if you are going to gem again, or you can grind and just regrind after you regem
If you are using the rune now, should grind as soon as you are able. You will be farming more grinds
cloud storm
ty
cloud storm
why doesnt it let me gem def% on this rune?
toxic ether
slot 1 can't have def
cloud storm
oh ty
real forgeBOT
cloud storm
thanks for the info
is buying such a rune worth in general? it has nice attributes but too low rolls ig?
toxic ether
yes
buy it
the low rolls shouldn't generally dissuade you, especially when you're still early game
always compare with the standards you have
split cipher
And I’ll add that mana is a very renewable resource—just a little giants farming and you’ll get that all back, so don’t worry too much about accidentally wasting mana on a bad purchase.
cloud storm
ty guys
cloud storm
@swift hatch I've been reading through your rune guides and the 2024 progression
and you mentioned that spd cr and hp are most important bc of meeting requirements, but how does DEF% compare to that
would it be too easy to say that def% > hp% is more or less mostly for the r5 frontline + icarus who needs an insane amount of def% in pve?
also bc res% either main or substat isn't really useful in my current pve stage, I can't really tell if I should sell or keep them, I feel like at one point my rune inventory will just be full
sand quartz
and you mentioned that spd cr and hp are most important bc of meeting requiremen...
that is correct def contributes more toward ehp than hp does but at the end of the day it also means a lot less when a monster get def broken, so with everything its typically a balance of both
sand quartz
would it be too easy to say that def% > hp% is more or less mostly for the r5 fr...
this is why there is both a def requirement and an ehp requirement for frontline sr5 monsters, because both are important, as the rift raid boss (really any boss in rifts) does dmg based on a monsters def. why all frontline monsters have a def requirement
as for icaru, icaru needs the certain amount of def being the needed number of teammates for his team up
cloud storm
oh I see, thanks
sand quartz
also bc res% either main or substat isn't really useful in my current pve stage,...
res and acc slot 6 are going to be runes where your looking for certain conditions
res - effiecient matching stats and/or high spd
acc - few with the highest spds or avg spd and dmg (att/cr/spd)
believe that covers everything, sure other advisors will add if i missed anything
cloud storm
if I want to rerune every mon I should probably save with that 200k mana thing, right? I never used that one
I feel like my mons all have weird runes bc I still fail at r5 after grinding a lot
toxic ether
i wouldnt really rerune all your monsters. just make a habit of farming runes continuously and getting the gems you need to upgrade your runes
you're pushing for sr5 in what 2-3 weeks? definitely little time especially for a new player since the hardest part about sr5 is runing a ton of new monsters
cloud storm
okay maybe that result is good enough for r5. my first try that I checked was a loss so I thought my teams are still way too bad
are these boss drops to craft gems/grinds best used for violent runes?
rich heart
for now you can just use them on what you need
rich heart
okay maybe that result is good enough for r5. my first try that I checked was a ...
good enough no
but getting there
could you show the layout of the teams you are using? maybe theres a small swap we can do to improve it
otherwise you go through your monsters and check if they meet the requirements for sr5
and fix up those that dont
cloud storm
my whole frontline has 1,5k+ def including leader skills + towers
let me check the ehp formula but it should be skills + leader on base stats and runes on top afterwards
primal depotBOT
235214 ehp. Deffbroken: 94140 ehp.
cloud storm
for bella
primal depotBOT
314721 ehp. Deffbroken: 130625 ehp.
cloud storm
for skogul
primal depotBOT
220795 ehp. Deffbroken: 91783 ehp.
cloud storm
for fran
primal depotBOT
259810 ehp. Deffbroken: 107477 ehp.
cloud storm
for darion
toxic ether
looks fine
primal depotBOT
235485 ehp. Deffbroken: 98154 ehp.
cloud storm
for vero
toxic ether
sr5 isnt just a tank check its a dmg check too since the boss gets stronger every 16 turns and u cant sustain/tank it forever
toxic ether
id check ur other dps
rich heart
what team dies the most?
toxic ether
can post stats of them
cloud storm
the middle one dies first usually
rich heart
oh wow ok
rich heart
ok yeah its a dmg check for you for sure
scrolled up and saw your run times, theyre on the longer side
cloud storm
I'll post by teams
toxic ether
u can replace whomie with another sr5 dd if you have the runes
ie xiao lin or whatever
cloud storm
when I checked a few times ardella, whomie, the fire beast hunter, raoq and the white drinker died earliest in their teams but I cant tell if it was bc of rng
I didnt check too often
real forgeBOT
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15% - Raids/Predator
25% -
35% - GBAH/NBAH/PCAH/SFAH/Dimensional Hole
40% - Labyrinth Hell bosses
45% - ToA Normal & Hard
55% - ToA Hell
65% - DBAH
85% - PVP Bomber/Debuffer
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cloud storm
but it was just for debuffs, wasnt it
toxic ether
so some units like delphoi is inefficient, but ardella needs 15% acc
yes so
having an atk break debuff is really important
toxic ether
yea ur nangrim needs more dmg
cloud storm
toxic ether
whomie too
ok yeah ur DDs just need more dmg all across the board
u can replace ling ling n whomie with real sr5 DDs later on but yea those monsters need more dmg
cloud storm
I don't think I have any other option that is mentioned as dd alternatives
only another nat3 that I could build like the drunk wind guy
is he a good dps for r5
I saw him specifically mentioned for r5 pure dps (he is not mentioned in ?sr5 tho)
or him even tho I couldnt skill him up for some time bc of verde
but yeah I will check my success rate on pcah now and see if I can build my units for necro dungeon bc that seems like the hardest content that I can't do rn and then see
if my teams are just slow but stable with at least a really high winrate like 29/30 wins in R5 I might consider my teams stable and done already for pve beginner progression and start to look into pvp
even tho I will continue to work on them, set up the galleon team etc
toxic ether
or him even tho I couldnt skill him up for some time bc of verde
no, use monsters that sre mentioned in ?sr5
cloud storm
yeah seems like I will have to get some gacha luck then unless I get really good runes to replace my current ones
I mean this game is about farming runes anyway so I am not too stressed that it isn't 100% consistent just yet
rich heart
take your time, its not a sprint
any time you spend farming for pve runes, is also time spent for pvp runes
cloud storm
yeah that's true, giants is great forever anyway
I just hope to get a better insigh in which runes are good to keep in general when I start thinking a bit of pvp so I can keep my inventory a little bit cleaner
like I have no idea which pvp mons potentially want some despair, etc runes with which stats in general so my inventory is really messed up rn
pcah looks really good for the fact that I use Kro and he dies in 55% of the battles
so the moment I have a better mon than kro for it it will be fine
rich heart
you still dont understand the game is about runes
a better monster than kro wont solve it
better runes will
cloud storm
yeah I think my kro is fully grinded
but his runes are mostly for dps anyway so I would have to re-rune him for pcah
rich heart
you need a build that works everywhere
cloud storm
or get another second-type artifact with -light%
yeah probably it is the second artifact then which I can get from pcah
rich heart
-light is only on leftside
cloud storm
oh
rich heart
and dont worry about pcah right now
focus on the dungeons before it you havent finished yet
cloud storm
wait
rich heart
is everything before pcah 100% consistent?
cloud storm
I am stupid
I got that -17% dmg from light artifact but I forgot to equip it on kro
or switched it out again for more dps for faster runs on pre content bc I didnt care about pcah yet
cloud storm
is everything before pcah 100% consistent?
everything before r5 yes
rich heart
then fix r5
primal depotBOT
91827 ehp. Deffbroken: 46381 ehp.
rich heart
calculate it with tower skills
primal depotBOT
110458 ehp. Deffbroken: 53501 ehp.
rich heart
so you dont have enough
cloud storm
yeah but my concern with r5 is dmg
I would have to sacrifice dps in order to fit him for pcah
and I am not sure if it is worth it for now to focus on getting him more ehp if r5 or other content is valued more than pcah (bc it is already at 29/30 wins)
in the long term he will get a new rune set with better stats%
rich heart
you just need to farm more runes
the runes on your r5 monsters look very bad
improve that
rich heart
youve read #1278187593594572841 right
cloud storm
yes, I've also read the addition about runes in the 2024 progression
rich heart
then go through them, with that information you can sell a bunch of runes for sure
post specific runes youre not sure about in #1084154772493447258
cloud storm
yeah the only thing I am lacking information of is
which runes potentially are good for pvp
it would be bad to sell good runes already just because I have no idea
rich heart
in general you should be looking at efficient runes
cloud storm
but from what I got is that energy/blade/fatal aren't used later on?
so I just keep these for stats in pve?
cloud storm
oh yeah that makes it even harder then
cloud storm
in general you should be looking at efficient runes
would it be good to use the summoners war optimizer for that
just to look at efficiency, not to rune mons
rich heart
no
cloud storm
then how can I check efficiency
rich heart
I dont mean the measure efficiency, I mean how efficient a rune is
let me find examples rq
what would you do with this rune?
cloud storm
spd is average, hp is kinda good but I have no idea
because of resistance
I kept these kind of runes with one bad roll if the others are above average
bc in pvp it could be potentially used
maybe
rich heart
these rolls are average, not super insane but not bad at all
how does hp% spd and resistance work together
good? bad?
cloud storm
hp% and spd are really good, no idea about resistance bc of pvp
toxic ether
I would have to sacrifice dps in order to fit him for pcah
its not worth it to make him tankier. i would use another DD fuco or pang
rich heart
hp% and spd are really good, no idea about resistance bc of pvp
resistance is good on these type of runes
theres a lot of pvp tanks that want, some spd 100% resistance and tanky stats
cloud storm
yeah but for pve it would be a wasted stat
rich heart
so if you gem def% in the rune over whatever last stat you get
its a usable tank rune
cloud storm
that's why I want to jump just a little bit into pvp to maybe get some beginner knowledge while I continue to work on pve until everything is 100% stable and even speedier
rich heart
dont recommend you do that
if you want an idea of 'pvp runes', you can maybe read #1048719420870107227 ahead
cloud storm
so I would have to keep every average rune tho
rich heart
no
you use your judgement and #1084154772493447258
and base runes that are 'efficient' on what you already own
sand quartz
wait
sand quartz
what would you do with this rune?
u just runed up yr sr5 frontliners and cleanser/healers
cloud storm
one off-topic question: how much acc does astar want for pve content? for necro she doesnt need acc bc of 'just' silence, right?
sand quartz
how is this a idk question
rich heart
one off-topic question: how much acc does astar want for pve content? for necro ...
0
acc only works against you if necro boss steals your astar, but you can get to that when you actually get to necro
cloud storm
how is this a idk question
for cleansers I remember that they either want 100% res or a vio set instead
sand quartz
teh whole point of #guides is to show you how things ar e runed
rich heart
thats generally how a lot of pvp supports are built
sand quartz
use that as yr basis of what to keep/ what to sell
cloud storm
yeah my rune knowledge for pve got way better compared to a few days ago when I was still rereading these guides and info
the thing is that I don't know any pvp additions, or rules that apply there
I think I got info that they generally want high acc/high ress bc it is way more important in pvp to hit debuffs
sand quartz
what would you do with this rune?
but u just said, you dont know, to a rune like this
cloud storm
so I have trouble selling runes with res% acc% in the first place
sand quartz
u are quite literally on the step that tells you this is a good rune
cloud storm
and I have no idea about sets that will be used, or set combinations with certain substats
sand quartz
dont worry about the sets
cloud storm
I think I read that despair runes aren't fit for dps stats etc
sand quartz
dont worry about pve vs pvp runes
use what you know
is x rune better than, the same, or worse then yr other unused runes
cloud storm
so an unrolled rune with 2 flat stats or flat + atk% is like an insta sell
for example
sand quartz
show examples
sand quartz
why not
cloud storm
it isn't a (beginner) pve rune because of despair and res% in the first place
cloud storm
I think I would roll it and if it lands into def% 2 times I would keep it, otherwise insta sell
sand quartz
why
cloud storm
bc slot2 standards shouldn't be as high as slot1/3/5 and ehp is valued a lot
and there could still be a broken build that benefits from it
sand quartz
so let me ask you, on avg how much res does one need per rune to reach 100%
rich heart
15 res base
cloud storm
14.2
cloud storm
hmm
sand quartz
what stats do monsters that want 100% res, typically want?
sand quartz
and that rune gives you 2 of those stats + the typically res one may need
cloud storm
okay yeah it would be bad to sell it
runes like this are insta-sells tho?
def% initiate is bad bc it doesnt have any other good substats to roll into
sand quartz
not bad, just not ideal
cloud storm
yeah if it still had like res/hp%/acc it could be way better
but not hp flat/atk/atk%
sand quartz
could that be used if it rolled x2/x3 into att?
cloud storm
is att flat or %?
sand quartz
%
cloud storm
for pve probably not
pve*
bc it would require really good other runes to meet ehp and crit reqs
sand quartz
agreed, stats dont really match
sand quartz
would, yes, very eary to get/have something better unused
cloud storm
this is like the other scenario, where it got the rolls, just a bit low in def%
but I think it doesnt combine well with blade set, so it is average at best but still worth to keep?
sand quartz
true u wouldnt use this rune for its blade set, but it an above avg roll into res and would need to be compared to other slot 2 spds with res
cloud storm
ty
would Icaru want guard runes btw? or is it too niche in early progression for him and I should look out for high rolls into def% instead
I am not sure how hard it is to hit that 3.3k+
sand quartz
does icaru need guard runes, no
needs def% on slot 2/4/6 and high def% on slots 3 and 5 (30+ after grinds)
cloud storm
ok to basically he wants like +2.5k def
rich heart
+2420 or something
cloud storm
is +30% def slot3 considered high?
this is hard ngl
but since the def% runes are not grinded
it should hit the req maybe
cloud storm
keen pond
🙂
cloud storm
what is the reason astar turns before 2a Shamman in necro?
in team2 the turn order isnt listed so it is not that important, right?
rich heart
the shield from necro breaks from an amount of attacks
shamman wants to nuke the boss, so wants to take a turn when the shield is down
astar breaks the shield
shaman nukes boss
toxic ether
she's already 120 speed after awakening?
don't really need to have give her any more speed
cloud storm
I think it is 110
toxic ether
close enough
cloud storm
yeah I will adjust my shamann
cloud storm
ok so I tested all pve contents (excluding the dungeon with the fight runes until I actually need them at some point) and it seems like all pve content rn is stable, just pcah and sr5 have a high wr but aren't 100% consistent
it won't hurt to jump a little bit into pvp already while I still try to fix the mons that makes these last 2 teams stable, right?
necros is 100% stable already too with avg. 1:45min
keen pond
It depends on what u mean by getting into pvp
cloud storm
trying to find one arena defense team, one arena offense and 1-2 siege defense teams that I can work on from now
or something like that
that should already take a long time to build
rich heart
you can read #1048719420870107227
pvp needs way better runes than pve, especially siege defense
you really should just be farming giants and fixing up those teams
the reality is that even after fixing up those teams, you wont be ready for it yet
cloud storm
yeah I mean I could temporarly rune the pvp mons with runes from giants while I get the runes I need for my r5 dps
rich heart
its very normal to spend time farming runes before actually being able to build stuff for pvp
cloud storm
I know, I am not trying to rush it, just getting myself enough points to work on
I will just farm dungeons anyway
rich heart
'enough' in your eyes is too much imo
it will be very chaotic
theres no time lost as long as you are farming
cloud storm
yeah but I will quickly get experience and further knowledge about runes etc
also my guild requires 4 strong siege defenses, I got an exception to stay in for now bc I progress really fast
but I would like to just have the right mons already even tho their runes are pretty shit
cloud storm
noo they are pretty chill
rich heart
we cant tell you what to do, but in no way can you have good enough runes to rune 1, let alone 4 siege defenses
cloud storm
yeah I dont have to build 4 tbh
rich heart
sounds like your guild wants you to rush things
you are still working on pve, work on pve
cloud storm
I think if I manage to get a good team this month with some meh-average runes it will be enough
rich heart
if you dont manage it, too bad
cloud storm
then I will just find another guild tbh
rich heart
a guild that wants beginners to have 4 defenses isnt a good place to be to progress anyways
swift hatch
there's no harm at all in doing your best and trying whatever pvp content there is
but it would be a huge mistake to prioritize any sort of resources, whether its 6*s, runes, or mana for upgrading runes
for pvp
when you are not finished with pve yet
cloud storm
yeah I wont priotize pvp over pve
swift hatch
and if you think you can "work on both" then you have some fundamental misunderstanding on how to rune your units even for pve... so need to rethink a lot
cloud storm
I want to priotize building for pve first until I get the best speed teams I can, like I wont jump directly to the kyle speed team or so but I want at least a good galleon team for giants for example
swift hatch
your attempts into pvp for now should solely be using your pve units as best as you can
cloud storm
but it would still be fun to play around pvp a bit meanwhile
swift hatch
if you somehow make a pvp unit and give it runes that makes it better than a pve unit you've already runed at this point, you've done something wrong
cloud storm
yeah I don't think I could make this happen anyway
I feel like pvp is also a lot about synergies so it wont be easy to build anyway
would that team synergize or should I fit in vigor? for arena defense
since vigor is built bc of pve already it might be better to fit him instead of wind mermaid or triana maybe
cloud storm
okay let me ask another question
this is just out of curiosity, how well would clara fit into r5 instead of colleen
I've read her kit and it seems like she does what colleen does, but colleen got two chances to decrease the atk power with a higher chance while colleen has only one, and clara also has a def break?
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rich heart
I dont see clara doing this
swift hatch
this is just out of curiosity, how well would clara fit into r5 instead of colle...
it's good to be curious but you are doing an awfully horrible job at reading guides and the resources here
this is an extremely bad question
the guides go into great detail on what's important for r5
and the parts of colleen that make her great for it
cloud storm
yeah I just had the hp recovery part in mind without the atk buff tbh
and I thought my tien qin already provided that
swift hatch
that's not all.
you've still missed multiple other parts of it
you may want to go back and reread
cloud storm
I figured her atk debuff is huge, her teamwide atk buff, and I would also assume she is easier to rune because of high base stats like spd and tankiness?
while also healing she fits multiple team roles into one unit
swift hatch
all parts of her kit are useful, and having multiple sources of any one particular thing on a team isn't useless at all
cloud storm
I see
cloud storm
I will continue to work on my r5 team and just hope to make the dps more tanky so they can sustain more and thus deal more damage
this team just dies at the same time rip
cloud storm
can anyone tell me why a grindstone that I can use on my runes isn't always visible in this interface
ocean holly
which grindstone are you trying to find on your rune?
cloud storm
sry I meant possible runes to grind
I had a swift rune with ungrinded def and I got a grindstone for that
ocean holly
show the rune
cloud storm
when I looked in that interface there was no rune to grind
ocean holly
was the ungrinded def an innate stat?
cloud storm
I'll have to find a new one where this applies
no
it was possible to grind and I even knew that
but the rune just didnt show up in the first place
it happened a few times already
for example this def+ grindstone on vio
I have way more runes with def that can be grinded for example
and everything is checked in this menu
ocean holly
show an example of a vio rune that you have right now with a def substat that isnt visible there
cloud storm
the one on fran for example
this one has a grind on it already, but it does this too with runes that have an ungrinded stat
like the rune for icarus
ocean holly
if a rune that has a def +26 grind, any grindstone that has a range up to 26 will immediately be unusable
cloud storm
iirc this rune had no grind on it
but it didn't show up when I quick press enchant on the grindstone
I had a swift def+ grindstone and since this had 0 grinds on it already
it should show up, shouldnt it
ocean holly
can anyone tell me why a grindstone that I can use on my runes isn't always visi...
next time whenever you want to grind a rune, use the method from the left image instead, its much easier to see thr grinds you are able to use
the right image one's far too messy
cloud storm
alright ty
okay I think I got a grindstone where I can exactly show what I mean
this menu shows the rune for belladon (slot 2 isnt in this screen) even tho it is already grinded with +4%
but it didn't show this rune which is on whomie rn
so basically I will have to manually check every mon to see if I can upgrade it bc I can't rely on that interface?
edgy cosmos
You probably just screwed up, never had that as an issue before
rich heart
check what rune markings you have here
cloud storm
and everything is checked in this menu
everything was checked
split cipher
Also, I think it would be better to look at runes and decide what grinds to use on each one rather than looking at grinds and deciding what runes to apply them to
Interesting bug though, lol
cloud storm
yeaah I just wanted to grind everything on my r5 teams to make it stable but I think I got it stable now finally
cloud storm
would you guys still say their stats look bad for pve content?
rich heart
much better
cloud storm
in r5 they both die first in konamiya team and are the reason why my middle team dies
rich heart
whats their ehp
rich heart
1-2 losses per 30x?
cloud storm
probably because fran gets stunned and cant heal sustain so the whole team dies
the backline survives way longer than frontline
rich heart
frontline takes more damage
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251169 ehp. Deffbroken: 103592 ehp.
cloud storm
this is frans ehp
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275855 ehp. Deffbroken: 112796 ehp.
cloud storm
and this darions
maybe it would be way better with more atk on frans set so she heals more and gives more sustain
but that is nothing I could farm for now and I would have to wait for runes from events
cloud storm
1-2 losses per 30x?
yes
I changed one atk% rune to hp on ardella for more sustain but I can't tell if it would be better for her to just deal more damage even if she dies at some point
toxic ether
thats a bit too much hp
keep in mind u have ling ling n whomie which arent the best DDs
u can replace them with better sr5 dds
cloud storm
okay so for now I could just move on? I got my pcah team really stable now too
after giving kro way more sustain from grindings
toxic ether
i mean u dont necessarily move on
u will be constantly improvig ur pve teams until all their runes are fully gemmed n grinded and have decent rolls
cloud storm
yeah I think I meant more like not trying to min max grinds until I beat it and just fix it after grinding more runes for a few days
I could also raise another r5 dps in the meantime if I have a good one
cloud storm
I've been wondering, if dimensional energy is that important, wouldn't it be more efficient to get some later 2a mons ready instead of farming lumel5
because on new accounts there is a 50% second awk exp boost, I don't know if there are some regular events that also boost 2a exp sometimes
so like all pve mons + the high prio pvp ones before actually farming lumel5
slim basin
You benefit more from getting some nice vamp will destroy runes/gems/grinds now (especially when you might not be ready for necro) than pre-building 2as you might not use for a long time if at all
Metas shift and balance gets adjusted so the best way to avoid wasting resources is to farm what you need now and if your needs change so does your farming
cloud storm
oh I see
cloud storm
how are you guys comparing your runes to other runes so you can decide if you can sell a few of the worse ones
for runes with a lot of spd or crit rate it is a little bit easier to decide, but I really struggle with runes that have flat stats on them or are paired with acc/res rolls
toxic ether
u can show an example of runes ur not sure about here
swift hatch
that's the entire point of #1084154772493447258
cloud storm
that question was related to point 3 of the rune guideline set your own standards - look at you current inventory.
but I think it still requires a lot of work to go through all runes to check
cloud storm
I think I might do some sort of sheet with some roll %, like spd 15+ for blue 1/3/5 runes, according to my standards of course until I get more familiar with good and bad runes
not that every rune needs spd, just if a rune rolls into it etc
cloud storm
I summoned my first Ifrit and got Akhmamir. I read he is really good in r5 so would it be good to use him without skill ups?
his stun etc wont work I guess but he still has a lot of attack maybe
my team comp
slim basin
Where are you reading that akha is good in r5?
cloud storm
alright
cloud storm
would u consider this a good rune? spd is 10/12 and atk 15/16, when gemming out flat def for like hp% this would be a good rune for a dps, right?
the reason why I am asking is because it is so spread out instead of going into one stat like a few rolls into crit rate or spd etc
toxic ether
i mean spread out rolls doesnt mean its not useable
the cr is almost max rolls, atk almost max rolls, spd off 2 potential roll
cloud storm
I don't need this for PvE bc I am pretty much done besides a a few atk% main stat runes that I need on r5 dps
cloud storm
oh nice
lushen is still the first arena offense pvp unit to work on right? I heard the guides are up to date in 99% of the cases
toxic ether
yes
cloud storm
it will still take forever to get a running team tho but I will try
toxic ether
u wont use this rune for lushen bc you got a roll in spd already
but you can use this for a sniper or any other dd that needs the stats
cloud storm
would u consider light sniper mk1 as good for pvp in general in snipe comps
toxic ether
i think u misunderstand snipe comps
cloud storm
I think he doesn't have the passive utility for siege or arena defense
toxic ether
a snipe unit is someone that has an ignore def skill
so like kahli, covenant, taru being the most farmable units
and then premiums like claire/sonia, federica, etc.
cloud storm
ah so magnum is more like a stripper dps
toxic ether
most of the time the ignore def units are op enough to 1 shot the monsters without def break so you dont worry about like will on them
but anyways we're gettig sidetracked a lil
cloud storm
but isnt his s3
toxic ether
finish pve first and u can read on beginner pvp
cloud storm
"attacks the enemy to inflict damage that ignores all damage reduction effects"
he ignores buffs but doesnt ignore def in general?
toxic ether
u mean his s1?
cloud storm
oh yeah
toxic ether
its a bit misleading
it just allows you to hit through buffs that prevent damage
so ie shield, invincibility, guarded (from chandra), etc
look at covenant s3
it says ignore defense
which means it assumes as if the monster is 100% def broken and deals dmg based on that
rich heart
lushen is still the first arena offense pvp unit to work on right? I heard the g...
#1048719420870107227 is slightly outdated for some parts, the fact that you should start with lushen, and all of the explanations about lushen offense are still up to date tho
cloud storm
<#1048719420870107227> is slightly outdated for some parts, the fact that you s...
what about the part with the first siege/arena defense team?
I got triana and vigor but I am really missing any kind of mentioned fire bruiser. Is it just waiting until I get one of these?
cloud storm
I got some speed leads like moore or seara but I don't have the rakan or the other mon that subs it and I think that will definitely take really good runes
yeah it will be some rng to get it
rich heart
dont work on too many things at once
I mentioned it before
youre gonna need actual runes now
cloud storm
I think it is just farming runes and hoping to fit my first defense
rich heart
you went through #guides really quickly. You really dont have a lot of runes yet
just keep farming giants, take violent runes from events, and work on lushen offense
cloud storm
that sounds like a plan, yes
cloud storm
Since Fire Joker is a fusion mon it is way better to farm the fusions to up lushens skills for pvp, right?
toxic ether
yes
cloud storm
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Spiritual Realm Abyss (Hard)
- Team and Turn Order:
- Sieq > Carcano/Shaina > 2aRaoq > +1 > Verde (35-40sec)
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Requirements:
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Sieq: SPD/(CR-CD)/HP, 100k EHP, 100% CR
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Shaina: (SPD-ATT)/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 100% CR, 10% acc
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Carcano: (SPD-ATT)/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 100% CR, 35% acc
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2aRaoq: ATT/CD/ATT, 120k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc
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Verde: ATT/CD/ATT, 90k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR
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Boss Condition:
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The boss decreases all monsters CR by half at the start of wave 4
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Stores one charge every time boss/crystals receive a non-critical hit and when boss/crystals deal a critical hit ( Up to 9 charges can be stored) and does more damage from Magic Power Barrage Passive
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Sieq's skill 3 gives 30% from CR buff and 10% from the 2 buffs (5% CR for each buff)
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Elemental advantage gives 15% CR for fire monsters against wind
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A shield set gives another 5% CR for the first 2 turns
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Other Info:
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All monsters must be 100% CR
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Combat speed for this dungeon is 177, and most monsters will be faster than that with verde's lead for other areas, except astar, so just need tune them for their turn order above
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The plus one can be astar (moves after verde) or another fire nuker and would move before verde
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Shaina has built in acc (25% from passive) so only needs 10% from runes
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Shaina speeds this dungeon up considerable compared to carcano
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Overall the dungeon isnt that difficult