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trail sky Jan 29, 2025, 4:24 PM

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Hey, i want to try a new core RTA Team that is mostly build around Kovarci.
I already tried to look for Team-Core Ideas viva Replays and RTA Websites like swarena.
Most Teams do also have other LD5 like Julianne/Giana, i dont have either.
The Core Idea i had was Kovarci (FP) + Seara (2. Pick) + Dark Robo (3. Pick), would i build him Violent + Will or Swift + Will? I attached both builds, when i would go for swift build i could still rune a "good" Sonia/Ethna as a SPD-Threat.

trail sky Jan 29, 2025, 7:20 PM

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Lost this game, how could i deal better with something like TL + Vero?

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Juno would be better then Ethna here right?

quartz nymph Jan 29, 2025, 7:29 PM

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gonna ping @muted thorn here for you Gladge

muted thorn Jan 30, 2025, 12:55 AM

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I assume the left build is Vio so I kinda prefer that one

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If you're going swift probably need something 220+ imo

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Juno would have been better in that second game, Ethna can work but you'd probably be relying on banning speed lead (since they could and did ban yours) and against YH it's questionable

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For the TL/Vero game do you have something like a Dominic? Dominic works very well with attack buffers but even if Kovarci gets banned against lower damage drafts like that one it's not a bad pick

muted thorn Jan 30, 2025, 1:14 AM

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Oh also fire monkey isn't a bad pick into the Oliver stuff, as long as they don't have an instant nuke option (Seara probably scarier with a strip than Giana on her own for example)

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 4:58 AM

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muted thorn For the TL/Vero game do you have something like a Dominic? Dominic works very we...

Yes i do have him, i assume i should pick him after he picked TL + Fermion? Do i still pair him with a CC Unit like Dark-Robo or a second bruiser unit maybe a Tesarion would had been nice there?

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Would this Dominic be fine, or does he need more HP? Could go for +25K HP and +1200 ATK.

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Lost 2 times against the same player, tried to spd contest in the second game and outspeed and cc'ed his monkey but he proced out of it, even then i am not sure if i would had won if he did not proc since his trition would AoE Silence me. Maybe ban Morre/Trition and stun reset the other Strip would had been a better play.

muted thorn Jan 30, 2025, 5:20 AM

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I mean it's probably okay for where you are

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You have good additional attack

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Fire Monkey is a really good pick if you have him into Oliver/control stuff

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 5:41 AM

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muted thorn Fire Monkey is a really good pick if you have him into Oliver/control stuff

i do have him, for the first game i should not pick Dark-Robo + Bellanus but FMK + Juno or even Raccuni.

muted thorn Jan 30, 2025, 5:41 AM

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I think being on vio build for Kovarci you wanna be able to flex into bruiser units

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So Juno MHW Dominic etc

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 5:43 AM

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will rune them up and see how it goes today, ty for your help i appreciate it. peepoLove

muted thorn Jan 30, 2025, 5:43 AM

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No worries

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 6:04 AM

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Sry for the Spamm, but i feel like my Draft was fine but i made the wrong ban. What should have been my ban?

muted thorn Jan 30, 2025, 6:05 AM

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Probably woulda banned verd

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Cos he can't really kill Juno or MHW without a ton of turn cycling

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 6:08 AM

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Yeah, the game was very long and in the end i only lost to the turn cycling that verde provided. Twins + Sagar would have been more manageable even more so since sagar got nerfed.

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 6:49 AM

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I won this, but only because Vanessa missed her S2. I feel like i need some luck to win against such a comp.

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 7:04 AM

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I do have Euldong and wanted to build him as a Cleave Counter, would be Kovarci FP -> Euldong + Chandra -> X (maybe a nem Byungchul + Frederica)

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Refering to the Game above.

muted thorn Jan 30, 2025, 7:05 AM

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Could be fun/good

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Really depends on rune quality I think

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 7:09 AM

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I am out of good fast runes, but have plenty of these high eff slower runes left. I should just try to rune them and see if they work with what runes i have left.

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At the same time i could also use these against Vanessa + Adrianna Snipes Comps, should maybe also build my leo.

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Since i would run leo mainly together with Euldong would you like a Rage Leo or a standard Vio + Nem Leo more?

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 7:44 AM

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muted thorn Jan 30, 2025, 7:49 AM

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Probably works

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I reckon CD build on Chandra with Euldong but it's not that easy to rune

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 7:50 AM

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trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 7:50 AM

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muted thorn I reckon CD build on Chandra with Euldong but it's not that easy to rune

not sure if this would be worth

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 8:33 AM

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Lose, i think i would have won if Josephine didnt hit her S2 on Seara. I feel like i need something that is better against Vela + Haegang, Robo and Morre are both Despair.
What units are a good counter to Haegang? The best option i have seems to be Nyx, but i would still need a second strip/counter to haegang, would be a Tiana the play? Draft would then be Kovarci + Seara -> Nyx + Tiana -> Bellanus/Robo

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Sry if i ask many questions, but in my guild are not any high ranking rta players that dont abuse some sort of cleave / same comp each game.

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 9:40 AM

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worked very well, though that Han was kinda scary. Chandra is on the SPD/HP/HP atm.

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atfer sonia s2, she did 33k or 35k its to fast cant read it good. He was able to tank Han S2 after which won me the game. I think HP/HP is better then CD for now.

muted thorn Jan 30, 2025, 10:39 AM

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Just leave Chandra on HP it's fine

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Having him tanky doesn't hurt anyway cos he can shield other units

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So he might get focused more

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 10:48 AM

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Both loses, not the same player. First match was a swift verde that countered my haegang push up, i assumed after the same first two picks (second match) thats the same person with a swift verdehile, never seen these kind of comps (swift verde + morre + CP), what should be my 3th pick be besides seara or do i even pick something else?

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Juno + FMK seemed fine, but i feel like i also need a diffrent 3th pick already since Haegang is kinda useless here.

muted thorn Jan 30, 2025, 10:50 AM

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Douglas would work there

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Just gotta be careful of attack break on Moore but you could ban that instead

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 10:52 AM

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So i would pick Kovarci (FP) -> Seara + Juno/FMK -> Douglass + Juno/FMK -> then ban last pick (with douglass i would assume its a counter to him, or do i gamble then and still ban morre and hope they ban douglass?

trail sky Jan 30, 2025, 11:10 AM

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Regarding Dougless, Life Darin or Counter Dmg?

muted thorn Jan 30, 2025, 11:12 AM

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Life Drain is weird and generally bad

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It's not vamp

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counter is way better on him

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 5:23 AM

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I won this but only because CP did not hit the strip on bellanus, any idea for a better last pick or draft in gerneral against Maxi + Lionel comps?

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muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:01 AM

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trail sky I won this but only because CP did not hit the strip on bellanus, any idea for a...

Depends how you want to tackle it. Haegang could maybe work even with the Kabilla boost on other side. Lucia is a counter to pushback stuff but you don't have one in box. Could also have tried to cheese with Nyx but it's questionable. I also reckon Juno would be decent if the Maxi was banned instead

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If your Ethna was fast you could maybe go for speed contest with Kabilla ban but you'd still be down 9 on lead

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I mean in that draft in particular I feel they lack a lot of damage without Maxi

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:07 AM

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I do have Lucia but i lack a good set for her, my revenge runes are non existent. Lets assume i can build her, how would my draft then look like? Just last pick her for a forced ban?

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:07 AM

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I mean usually when they first pick Maxi you know they're gonna do whatever it takes to move first

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So you probably want to decide if you're going to speed contest or just disrupt them in some way

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Tbh I don't think the Moore was a bad idea

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:08 AM

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muted thorn So you probably want to decide if you're going to speed contest or just disrupt ...

second options will be the way, i am not fast for the rank i am in.

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:08 AM

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Moore + Hae puts a fair amount of pressure on them since their whole draft is AOE

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:09 AM

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One of my guild members plays a maxi draft and i know morre is super good against him thats why i picked him, should prob just swaped kovarci to Haegang.

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:10 AM

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Yeah that would have been good

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:11 AM

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I should still try to rune up a lucia right? Could be the last pick here, i should have decent dmg with morre + seara/robo.

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:11 AM

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I mean she doesn't really need to be fast

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Just double/triple revenge and tanky

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Mine's on double revenge and an endure set cos my revenge runes are kinda bad

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It still works

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:12 AM

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27 Revenge Runes

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weird

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Should farm at least some dragons i gues

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:12 AM

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I just like the Lucia counterpick for stuff like Oliver/CP/Sagar etc, it's not 100% required but it's nice to have if you want some healing and anti-pushback

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:13 AM

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Yeah i will try to rune her, she is already skilled up anyways.

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:13 AM

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Vero is also kind of decent into Maxi but he'd need to be fairly tanky and I don't think you want to spread your runes too thin

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Generally speaking you want to focus on improving core while building counters you can use a lot for tough matchups

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But not much point if you can't maintain a certain rune quality imo

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:18 AM

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How much SPD do you want on Lucia?

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~100+? Or can i even get away with like 90?

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no artis and i can grind some runes

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:20 AM

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100 is probably fine, also run mine on 100 res but generally you go 100 res or none so if you can trade res for speed that'd be fine

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Like that's tanky enough I'd just get a bit more speed if possible

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:26 AM

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worth it? also what left side arti does she use? -fire?

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:26 AM

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Decrease damage, -fire is generally good atm

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I think probably the main annoying thing you have to deal with would be a Federica or Tesarion

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At least in my experience shrug

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:27 AM

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i dont have any other options when it comes to runes, i would need to use juno runes to improve her more

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:27 AM

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I mean it's fine for now

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You have triple revenge and she's mainly there for passive

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:28 AM

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kk, ty for your help again. When i have other drafts where i feel lost i will post here again.

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:52 AM

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And here i am again, since its the first time i faced the haegang tomoe comp since my new team.
I only won because he greeded with his Tomoe and S2 my tiana, if he had just went with S3 i would lose.
I could also just try to pick juno/lucia stuff but these guys normally also have some sort of LD5 that enables this comps so i went with my standard anti haegang draft but he outspeeded my tiana (tbf she is not fast only +201 since i wanted will on her and also have dmg to clean up in case they ban my belanus).

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:54 AM

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Hmm in theory I would have thought Tiana would work (if she moved first).

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Although tbh I don't think Layla was the ban

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:55 AM

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do i use ethna/sekmet runes for tiana? since i almost never try to spd contest?

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:55 AM

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Eh

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I wouldn't

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:55 AM

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muted thorn Although tbh I don't think Layla was the ban

i though swift layla is common now

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:55 AM

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Tomoe Layla falls off hard cos there's a lot of ways to deal with it but you need the units/runes

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Like I think people were saying you can just Chiwu them a lot but that requires good swift runes

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I also generally abuse Lucia in this draft

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But I'd ban the Amber then

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and also I have broken LD5s to destroy this stuff

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:57 AM

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i gues i stick with nyx + tiana and hope i outspeed them

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:57 AM

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I dunno about swift Layla tech, it might be a thing

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I rarely fight Tomoe Layla

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 6:58 AM

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yeah was the first time facing it since the new team and i was not sure how to deal with it now.

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with better runes on tiana it would have been a clean win

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i gues i need to farm / get lucky

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 6:59 AM

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At higher ranks people bully that draft cos the units don't have high base speeds

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and there's a lot of LD5s that wreck it

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 7:00 AM

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i am not sure what you consider higher ranks but i am at rank 2000 atm and thats why i did not want to go for juno/lucia since when he is this high with this comp he should have some sort of LD5 that carries him.

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 7:01 AM

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I reckon high rank is like G2/G3

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I don't like Juno into this cos of Layla and it's too easy to lock her down

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Lucia is better because it cuts the pushback, can't be stunned etc

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 7:04 AM

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what should i pick besides her? my normal draft + nyx in hopes i cut him / get a turn? Or some other units, i can try to get a new swgt of my units and you could take a lock.

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 7:05 AM

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I did theorise Water Gojo could be good, now that he's buffed he gets defence buffed

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and he gets 30% atb after every turn

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 7:05 AM

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even when he is cced?

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 7:05 AM

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Haven't tested it though cos I don't have him

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 7:05 AM

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i though only when he moved

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 7:05 AM

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I mean he can't be pushed back

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and the 30% is just whenever your turn ends

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Doesn't say anything about moving

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I'd try it out if I had him

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 7:06 AM

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i do have him and skilluped with the event, but i prob dont have any runes left for him. Would be on Despair or Vio?

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maybe i can get a decent set

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 7:07 AM

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I mean despair or vio are usually best but you could even just try chucking some energy/guard sets on him, I feel like he'll be taking a decent amount of turns anyway cos they'll take ages to kill him with just Tomoe Layla Haegang

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Really just depends on what +1 gets through

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Also like I said I haven't tested this so I don't know how good it will be after buff, it might still be useless but in theory his kit looks good as a counter for this

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 7:08 AM

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he also has a strip that helps my core units

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i will try to test him, if i ever face layla tomoe comp again

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 7:10 AM

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Could also ask for what others use into it, I have Akroma Jessica which is this draft's worst nightmare

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So I'm not used to dealing with it without the LD5s

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 7:16 AM

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muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 7:17 AM

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That's more than enough

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 7:17 AM

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could drop some spd, but would want him to move before seara/robo

muted thorn Jan 31, 2025, 7:18 AM

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Tomoe Layla falls apart usually if you get to move too much so in theory it should work

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Even if you don't have the most damage

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 7:18 AM

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if i face it again i will try him and see how it goes and report back

trail sky Jan 31, 2025, 10:07 AM

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I did it, first time G1

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