Izno RTA warlord arc

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Trying to get better at RTA so figured I would create a thread to get help from more experienced players.

My peak is P2 playing a very boring turn2 comp (gapsoo nyx fermion...) but I decided to move on from it, since I dont think its very good.

Atm I decided to use Chandra/Water twins Sagar Vela as core (dont flame me for that I dont have anything else to core ) with the turn order being Chandra-Vela-Sagar (Vela is missing 2 spd from grinds).

I will post screens of my box (only first 3 rows are decently runed imo) and some of my most picked monsters so whoever reads this might identify some flaws.

I need help mainly countering hard turn 1 like seara dark robo zibala since I cant really contest speed or hard turn 2 since I have no snipe units like sonia/federica.

Key units (imo) im missing: Sonia, Federica, Sekhmet, Miles, Angela.

In the comment section I will post some matches where I had a hard time playing against.

Although I won this match, I completely sacked him otherwise I would have been destroyed. I dont think my ethna is good enough to contest turn 1 at 209 speed so I would need to go turn2, what would have been a good counter to this opponent?

I lost this match, obviously got outsped and he sniped my units. What could I do here, I know leo would have been a must ban but i would still lose I think?

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btw key thing to notice

if u losing and they'e rnot banning last picks

change ur last picks

for woonsa stuff u can pick a nem tapr and ban zibala, works well with haegang

or a verde if u ban zib

nyx is kinda int into snipe comp there is nothing he does

leo nana

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Nana Leo and nana with anti sonia build

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Not gonna be anti Sonja with attack buff

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I won this but I have no idea what to do without snipe units

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i hate these guys

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ive been taking like

fire kass rat han into these

i think monkies are good but viva is kinda weird

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hello coach

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imo you wanna take smth that

does damage ons1

vs giou comps

this guys basically wiggling for a leo

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like what

I built a daphnis

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Idk. Realistically this guys gonna try and leo you, so miles is weirdge

lemme look box

also rat/gapsoo are goodge

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I wish we could sort by owned

so i could send my box easily

this is what is runed atm

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swgt account angle

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@celest snow

what can I even do here

no fire kass

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i think ur draft is fine minus laika who got banned

did daph miss

and who did u kill

banning laika was troll of them

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I killed ragdoll

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wrong

u kill mhw

pilot issue

mhw is going to ramp and actually kill ur team

vs rag is really slow and ur not proccing a ton of aoe to boost him

so u kill mhw then stall to kill rag

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I agree but think I still lose if i kill monke

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i think uh

icares was a bit weak

ur 1,2,3 was good

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yeah idk what else to pick there with my units

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covenant

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I built this for the turn 2 warlords

its my walmart fire kass

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ebay fire kass

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Does it kill

Fire kass usually double nem will

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prob not

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Do I win if I ban jamire?

probably still lose needed more damage

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What does banning Jamieee give you

I think haegang just ended up sucking here

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idk sagar just does nothing because of jamire i think

hes gonna refresh skills anyway

I lost this game... surely I didnt get outdrafted?

I killed helena with daphnis but wind monkey is just broken lol

im not picking masha into it anymore it does 0 damage

-fire +dmg reduction too strong lol

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Worth?

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shes not Sonia, so no

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Lost both... no idea what to do against this comps

that chandra pick was just me running out of time

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you definitely dont ban nana there

you have strips and resets

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what would u ban

xz

but i also cant kill anything with riley there

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rag lol

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we talking about the other game lil bro

wait

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second game wmk probably

you keep randomly banning nana

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I can only snipe one unit, nana will revive and its doomed after

also my twinks like to crit with 15%

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i'd s3 monke boost sagar, send sagar s3 onto riley. ethna s2 s3 into whatever non julianne def breaks stick, and game should be free from there lol

since chandra will move

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u forgot the part xz stuns my whole team

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can't kill ethna

yes you need to ban wmk

if you're picking ethna

or you can't s2

ever

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s2 with ethna he gets insta turn

with rag

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talking bout second game look at what i said lol

first game if you ban rag you're chilling

i think you're overpicking belial

alternatively

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if raki is built she's a forceban always vs julianne

just swift will with dmg

you'll kill most juliannes from full

also ignores nana, ignores passive etc

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build her

she's good

works into fire kass, julianne

i'm sure there's more

those are the main two at least

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I might build her need to see what I can put on her

I also dont have anti leo traps

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nem nem will fire kass

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maybe coco

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coco is good yea

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I dont have fire kass man

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i don't really go for leo traps too much ngl

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oh

hold up

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we just let leo through

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that last game

you can lowkey just pick bolv and he is forced to ban it if you ban julianne lol

you need more weird 4/5p counter stuff

stuff like that just comes from playing more though

and looking at drafts

cause he either bans bolv or you never die

kinki nana wmk don't kill quickly

without insane rng

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true

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so he either heals and gives you stacks

or he doesn't and just s1s and he dies anyways

lol

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feel like my box is getting too big tho

anyway those would be just for specific counter picks

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they don't take specific runes outside will

really

like most are just

shield will rev from what i see

only other real shield users are uhhh

miles

rev is verde obv

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I also dont have miles

crazy

but im building bolverk ye

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the key is to just play with what you have runed, keep farming, look at replays a lot and think about what could be good with what you have in certain situations

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yeah I think im already getting better

its just specific comps that I almost always lose to

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stuff like sagar twins if you lose to it

i would think on it but wouldn't stress too much, twinks are fucking broken rn

best s1 in the game

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i dont lose to that

because im the one picking them

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kahli first victim

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can’t you just die to gapsoo s2 vio s1

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yes u can get sacked in any situation?

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I lost both of this games, since my twins are not on swift do I just not try to contest hard turn 1 players? Because I reset one unit with sekhmet but have no follow up after that @real crypt

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i think verde isnt great here

if u do contest hard, you need to actually do something

rn you only have sekh to actively disable a unit

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idk if i got outdrafted here but TL resisted irene... theres probably better picks than my last 4/5 here

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seara is fine, suiki is giga int

you basically cannot pick him into angela

also dont quite understand cami ban, that unit does nothing here

should be angela or monke imo

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maybe fire monkey instead of suiki?

i still like suiki against this comps with low dmg even if they have angela tho

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mhw is infinitely better here ye

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nah angela outsustains + does dmg here even if u land a def break

it's not sticking

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angela doesn't outsustain mhw

she does outsustain suiki tho ye

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Yea i meant suiki, mhw kills her on one proc p much always

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is this too slow, should i switch?

@worldly hedge

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no

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