Simi suffers in RTA

[thorny minnow]

dom mo tl*

i'm having a stroke because it keeps loading two images. seara dom tl*

[jovial coral]

lel

yea yr right it couldve gone wrong

[thorny minnow]

you really can't do dom into oli

unit will never take a single turn

[jovial coral]

yea I noticed that

[thorny minnow]

I think you can lowkey get away with slamming tl earlier and playing off their pivots

[icy vigil]

Yeah I like Dominic into the rest of the Gapsoo/Giou draft except for the Oliver

Yeah early TL is pretty solid usually

[thorny minnow]

I think tl and mo switching places

creates a very different draft

[icy vigil]

TL makes people do dumb stuff (me included)

[thorny minnow]

he can't giou vela into it

and if he commits to banning tl and does it anyways

you can play off that

I also would've slammed tl here too lol

[icy vigil]

TL is annoying cos you have to pick non-atb increase stuff (which is like half the game at this point)

[thorny minnow]

the unit is legit go enough to just spam it every wing p much

twinks? tl

vela? tl

giou/oli bs? tl

i see it in your box but gonna ask anyways

@jovial coral is wind monkey skilled/runed

cause if not he should be 100%

[jovial coral]

uh

[icy vigil]

Think I said it before but I'm not a fan of Seara without Giana

[jovial coral]

no

[jovial coral]

yea u did

I think its still viable for my box tho

given tl

[thorny minnow]

Wmk pater

is also GROSS

[icy vigil]

Yeah

I wanna see more LD5 abuse

[jovial coral]

[thorny minnow]

wmk vs chandra is also juiced too

Does he gain activation on skillup

[icy vigil]

Don't think so

[thorny minnow]

Otherwise just give him a giga eff cr set and call it a day

[jovial coral]

whats wmk runes again? slower than core, high acc tanky?

on cd?

[icy vigil]

Cr/CD both work honestly

[thorny minnow]

i don't think you can rune cd

it's hard

i'd just do cr

[icy vigil]

I have mine on CD but it's weird

[jovial coral]

yea no I cant

[thorny minnow]

i don't think i could even rune a good cd wmk

you just want him to have stats

[jovial coral]

uh so a bit like a siege bruiser on cr4

[thorny minnow]

yea

[jovial coral]

ill try it tmrw

[thorny minnow]

vio/rev or seal

[jovial coral]

lf wolfy runes

[icy vigil]

Mines on Vio Rev cos I lack seal runes atm

But I think seal is better

If you somehow have the runes

[thorny minnow]

seal is better lol

[jovial coral]

never farmed that trash dungeon lmao

[icy vigil]

Actually I could use the seal rune I was gonna put on Arta if I ever got one

[jovial coral]

arta is yr next ld

we all know it

holy juicer

[icy vigil]

Gonna do this actually

The slot 6 is kinda crap

But I don't lose too much

and seal is worth it

[jovial coral]

juice

okay but for wind monkey pater

where do I pick it

I dont pick pater a lot

[icy vigil]

Chandra stuff

Twins stuff

Giana

[jovial coral]

chandra stuff with sagar?

sagar kinda fucks pater

[icy vigil]

I mean yeah but monkey fucks Chandra Sagar

[jovial coral]

is this 2/3 pick?

[icy vigil]

Sure

[jovial coral]

after seara -> chandra/twink stuff

[thorny minnow]

do you have chandra

[jovial coral]

and if they get fp I still pick seaea?

no

[thorny minnow]

also if they do like chandra sagar stuff, you can just slam wmk fmk

lmao

it's very funny

[icy vigil]

Wind Monkey is basically "I know you're gonna outspeed me but you do no damage so I'm gonna stun you 24/7"

[thorny minnow]

any oli comp is wmk food basically

unless lds ofc

[icy vigil]

I mean I still lean into Fire Monkey into Oliver just cos Wind Monkey can get stunned into never ending pushback

But it's a good pick if they lack stun

[thorny minnow]

it's a little weird with seara tho

you should try fping sekh ngl

[icy vigil]

Seara is just awkward idk

[thorny minnow]

seara needs stuff to let her work

[icy vigil]

Yeah

That's why I don't like it lol

Like I've never seen a Seara in G2/G3 who wasn't running Giana

[jovial coral]

so we fp sek now huh

[thorny minnow]

fp sekh is strong

cause if they bruiser you she's good with s2

and if they race she's good for that too

[jovial coral]

but uh I dont have a lotta spd leads

[thorny minnow]

and you have tl that fucks over basically all the race units

you have tl

spd lead is overratd

[jovial coral]

seara fire megumi thats it

[thorny minnow]

tl wmk ggs

[jovial coral]

ill try it tmrw

[icy vigil]

I concur

[jovial coral]

so my dhole rune went pretty good for miles

do we still like the attack on it

[tribal ice]

if u wanna use this on miles id gem fhp or res depending on if ur doing res or not

but i personally use depth vio on miles, so i dont like shield on s2

can of course be different for your account if you dont have fast shield runes

[jovial coral]

I have a good s6 and a decent s3

thats about it

but this s2 shield is like 10x better than the vio depth s2 on him rn

[tribal ice]

yea then it might be worth

[jovial coral]

hows the monkey deployment here

wind didnt do much other than tank almost every hit from everything since he was scared not to focus it

and fire mk just won me the game

[jovial coral]

another wind monkey draft, ethna miles was stupid but I still won through wind monkey diff

what would be better over those 2

[jovial coral]

my picks seemed reasonable: tl is obvious, lot of aoe so wind monkey, vela for a bit of sustain + immunity since no strip ( after valantis ban)

I just got outsped -> woly boost -> giselle defbreak -> xiana fat dmg + cc

and then it was pretty much over

[tribal ice]

i think vela is a misdraft again here

[jovial coral]

he didnt even move lol

[tribal ice]

yea this guy just took a lot of t1

i lowkey would wait longer with the tl pick and draft another contest after seara

[jovial coral]

hm

I thought woly hg could be an instant tl

[tribal ice]

haegang is a double etched sword

since you also dont get any random stuns

[jovial coral]

yea thats true

[tribal ice]

and woly is such hard t1

[jovial coral]

so couldve gone ethna? in 3

[tribal ice]

that i would always try and contest

[jovial coral]

my ethna is dead slow tho

[tribal ice]

ethna/eshir/whatever else you have runed yea

even if it ends up with ethna moving into hae

you will get to fuck up turn order

[jovial coral]

everything was on will too

wait wtf

will woly

[tribal ice]

should always be will

[jovial coral]

so its not as hard as a contest as sekh

if I picked another lead + contest

outspeed and I have a chance

[tribal ice]

ye

alternatively commit turtle

but then you have to be prepared to take a lot of passive sustain

[jovial coral]

[tribal ice]

and potentially ban an ld lp

[jovial coral]

my other leads to pick are

psama fire megumi lel

I think fire megumi could be ok

to disrupt after giselle -> get a stun on xiana maybe

[tribal ice]

everythings just a little awkward into haegang yea

[jovial coral]

oh right

psama and pray they are squishy

it worked twice into t1 today

[tribal ice]

doesnt work into giselle

[jovial coral]

screw that unit

[tribal ice]

sekh seara is fine, you just need to continue contesting

he 2p'd a low base unit

with little utility

[jovial coral]

shouldve gone full t1 there

got it

[tribal ice]

at least for the seara +1

and then see what he does

[jovial coral]

I can see if I can rune eshir but

my swifts are so bad after topset

(topset is also bad but we cope)

[tribal ice]

okay think about this

a +200 eshir is basically enough to outspeed a unit like woly

assuming you ahve at least 24 lead

[jovial coral]

oh wow

it would be uh

+202

but missing a full ancient grind

and pretty much just purple grinded

its 100 res tho

I guess its good enough to just throw as a second contest here and there where I need it

[tribal ice]

gotta make due with what you have

my 2nd swift unit isnt very fast either, you just have to keep it in mind in draft

[jovial coral]

I was pretty confused during that draft too

just

picking t1 and t2

not really something that fits together

[jovial coral]

okay I sacked nessa

thats a bit better for second lead? or is she really just for specific comps

like snipe etc

I never see her not being fp

[icy vigil]

Wish I knew

I can never really make her work

I prefer her over Seara at least

[jovial coral]

[icy vigil]

I mean we all know speed leads are worthless for me but they might be better for more normal playstyle

• she's kinda toxic with good LD5s and you got the TL

She's also good with stuff like Ethna or other snipe units cos you have the revive threat

[jovial coral]

ye it could be cool in a lot of scenarios I think

[jovial coral]

I never know what 3p I should take here

the second I dont take a water, I get fire monkeyd

[final basin]

I guess miles is ok there

Ideally you'd take a SPD lead but seara Sagar isn't it

Neither is nessa

[jovial coral]

yea

I need twinks

[final basin]

Twins would be ideal

Yeah

The other option I guess is seara haegang and let them have sagar

[jovial coral]

twinks/chandra would make a such a big diff

[final basin]

And you can take like XZ into it

[jovial coral]

oh yea

thats true

and if they go heavy wind/fire I can take fire monkey ban chandra

[final basin]

Chandra doesn't really kill mhw by himself

[jovial coral]

im scared of that unit really

he fucks my sekh so hard sometimes

[final basin]

Yeah he's better at dealing with sekh than wang

Cause Wang can vio out of Def breaks, sekh is usually squishier and Def breaks/slow stick around longer

[jovial coral]

@final basin @icy vigil

so uh

he fp my contest

and I got lost

(its vio ethna btw )

[final basin]

If that's swift ethna you won

[jovial coral]

my swift ethna would be uh

+200

so I dont think so

[icy vigil]

Wonder if it made more sense to ban the Sonia if you knew you wouldn't outspeed, cos even though Masha counters Sonia/Ethna you did have Vela immunity for a bit

and if for some reason he let Leo through it reduces her damage a bit anyway

[jovial coral]

hmm yea thats a good point

not banning sonia was doomed anyways

[icy vigil]

Yeah once you let her through you kind of committed to a 3v4 lol

[jovial coral]

Im too used to outspeeding

I forget to consider I dont take t1

even if I dont pick contest

[icy vigil]

Can't relate

[jovial coral]

[jovial coral]

@tribal ice do you think its worth runing up a shizuka for me

I cant do very efficient I think

on 100 res

[tribal ice]

show builds

doesnt necessarily need to be tuned if u just lp her

[jovial coral]

ill do it in a bit

shower first

[jovial coral]

no res build is this

res build this

or -ehp to be faster

[tribal ice]

i would rather aim for a bit more acc

+25k hp with okay def is fine

but like 40 total acc after artis is nice

[jovial coral]

is it fine if shes not really tuned

I can somewhat do it

but with +135

core is like +150

[tribal ice]

135 is fine

[jovial coral]

[jovial coral]

okay I think here my last 3 picks were great

but I shouldve taken a lead somewhere

(I outsped tho )

I won this but uh theres a good chance pater doesnt cut without lead right

[tribal ice]

yea I can see pater not cutting without lead, but draft is p unbeatable for this guy

haegang pater xz just kills him

[jovial coral]

hg pater xz is THEM

[short vigil]

Wait lmao wrong chat I'm dumb

[jovial coral]

hi

[short vigil]

How's Ur rta climb going

[jovial coral]

idk I win against exodia stuf

and lose against normal stuff

[short vigil]

Lmao

I'm still c3 sadge

[jovial coral]

c2

[short vigil]

Oh idk why I tot u P3 alrdy :3

[jovial coral]

@icy vigil

doug pick was kinda dumb maybe

cuz guaranteed crit on fat guy

but I completely lost this

this guy had dmg, sustain and was tanky

[icy vigil]

Yeah you're gonna get fucked by the Pater and Angela there as well

[jovial coral]

is there anything I couldve drafted there

I was just clueless from the moment he picked pater minato

[icy vigil]

I don't think the Miles was bad

TL didn't really get much mileage imo

[jovial coral]

my box feels way too small lol

[final basin]

It definitely it

[jovial coral]

I also just lost to a whole draft that gets countered by tl

I cant show picture of the draft because uh I ragequit and closed the game

but it was sekh seara miles tl nessa

[final basin]

you shoudl draw it in paint

[jovial coral]

on it

[final basin]

thanks

[tribal ice]

tl actually doesnt do anything there

[tribal ice]

talking about this draft

you want to take snipe/heavy damage here

[icy vigil]

I reckon a MHW or a healer would also work instead of the TL

[jovial coral]

I need heavy damage stuff runed

[tribal ice]

mhw is prob fine there

[jovial coral]

I have no idea why I didnt draft mhw there ye

should pick him more

im just somewhat afraid of getting douglas on my ass, if they ban mhw

oh well if they pick doug I can pick miles ig? last pick

[tribal ice]

mhm

[shadow schooner]

why did you pick tl here?

[jovial coral]

I forgot

I can just reset pater with sekh

and then I did that (and missed)

[final basin]

Also the solution to a last pick doug is to ban him

Unless they took him in a ridiculously dumb spot

You just ban the forceban units

[jovial coral]

[shadow schooner]

usually if both players are drafting well

the last pick is going to be a force ban

and the person on first pick should have drafted in a way where they can freely ban the force ban

[jovial coral]

I honestly

win more 'good' drafts from opponents

I think

I just get super confused on what to do when they draft random shit

[final basin]

Same it's hard sometimes

[shadow schooner]

I find against a lot of the nonsensical drafts its best to just be aggressive

force them to adapt (and play normally) or die

[jovial coral]

problem is

I dont have a real 'core 3'

I think

its sekh seara 95% of the time

but third depends heavily

if I had jeongnam I could probably do that a lot of the time

but I dont

[thorny minnow]

consider that you have 2 of the best "fuck your playstyle completely ban me" units in the game though

[jovial coral]

to and pater?

I only really use pater against giana

it has insanely good wr against it for me

but doesnt get much use for the rest

[icy vigil]

Well it's a good thing Giana is super popular then

[jovial coral]

@icy vigil

I think I have like 20% wr

into this stupid ass shit

angela gapsoo

[shadow schooner]

Why are you picking sekhmet early vs a hard turn 2 comp

[jovial coral]

my game crashed but usually sekh is fp anyways

but yea idk what to even pick into hard t2

I think I picked mo long here a few times before

but I just cant kill anything so it feels useless

[thorny minnow]

Vio verde goes really hard here ngl

[jovial coral]

I should rune one up...

can it be poverty set

[thorny minnow]

Just tanky + some spd and max cr lmao

[jovial coral]

im out of runes

[icy vigil]

Doesn't even need to be vio, verd just flat out fucks me up

[thorny minnow]

yeah I mean any kind of verde vs those do nothing teams

as long as you draft decently you just take a billion turns

sure gapsoo can sack

but it's unlikely

[icy vigil]

Point is to outsustain but Verd gives you way too many turns that even if you barely do anything each turn you can probably outdamage

I've fought some really bad drafts where I was like "no way they win even with verd rotation" and next thing you know you die to death by a million cuts

[jovial coral]

ill spam verd then

ty

[icy vigil]

Just to elaborate as a turn 2 player, the 2 most important things I need to watch out for are

1. Do they have enough damage to snipe something from full health easily.
2. Do they have some way to take turns fasts or reset snipe units (Verd, YH sometimes, Shizuka with Federica, Elenoa with snipe or high damage units)

[final basin]

Something liek verd ashour might be nice there

Brings damage + def break + protection if they do get rng stuns on verd

[icy vigil]

I do think Ashour is a bit high rune and arti reqs though

[final basin]

he is but just as a kit it was the first unit that came to mind

[icy vigil]

I mean he's defs good cos he doubles as a dd and healer

[final basin]

Yeah

[icy vigil]

Also single targ strip

But it's very obvious when I'm fighting a good or bad Ashour even in G3 lol

[final basin]

cd ashour is insane but takes a really good set yeah

cr ashour doesnt scare me that much

but its way easier to build

[icy vigil]

I'm still scared of Osseru Ashour cos that thing hits like a truck but also def breaks my 100 res units more reliably than any other Ashour I've met

[final basin]

meanwhile theres builds like this

[icy vigil]

He nearly 1 shot my Anavel

Who's is that

Cos I reckon Osseru has gotta be close but maybe more acc idk

I reckon he has some of his best runes on it next to water twins and Lora

[final basin]

That's ismoo i think

[jovial coral]

wtf juice

but yea I dont have him

even if I did, cant rune that

[final basin]

Well yes ofc this is an swc build i was just showing cause

But more just an idea of a kit I'd take there

I also dont have ashour and idk what you have exactly

but the idea is giga cycling from verd and/or burst damage + strip + def break + sustain from ashour

if you take stuff like chandra sekh into gapsoo angela youll never win because you have lower damage that's aoe you'll barely burst a shield before one of them heals the unit back up

[jovial coral]

problem is idk what has sustain + dmg in my box

other than like pater lmao

[shadow schooner]

i dont think you need both in one unit

[final basin]

You need to burst like say daph, sonia, ashour, ethna (kinda),

[jovial coral]

yikes those are all so hard to rune…

[final basin]

ummm

[jovial coral]

#guides

[final basin]

Fair

[jovial coral]

what set is this

[final basin]

swift will

[jovial coral]

[final basin]

But it also only works because I fp a fastish chandra who boosts

[jovial coral]

I should rune up federica

probably

[final basin]

Fed is ok but you cant reliably snipe the angela or gapsoo with it

Youre sending fed into the other units

Like vela from the draft above

[jovial coral]

snipe vela?

yea

uhhh in that case its swift

like just, what I use in siege basically

[final basin]

BUt here you have you watch out for zeni s4

[jovial coral]

yea zeni was

a bitch

[final basin]

i wouldnt pick fed into zeni

But otherwise you could still pick a slow as shit nem build

The onyl way it really goes wrong is if gapsoo sacks a stun after strip

Otherwise vela is just going to die anyway

[jovial coral]

I dont gave daphnis either yikes

[jovial coral]

I never built fede cuz uh

[final basin]

Coco could work if you could build a non-leo trap one

[jovial coral]

my nem runes are so trash

[final basin]

Same

[jovial coral]

is coco the red one

yes right

[final basin]

yes

I have mine as a leo trap but I have been consdering making a faster one to use into stuff like this

[jovial coral]

ok I have that

[final basin]

Its somewhat high rune req thouhg

since you need bruisery bulk with high atk

[jovial coral]

[final basin]

BUt she can use random runes that a lot of other untis wouldnt want

[jovial coral]

I actually dont know how to build this

[final basin]

This is my leo trap build

So basically this kind of distribution but higher spd

and obv less stats overall to trade off for it

[jovial coral]

so uh

my dom

with 100 res

[final basin]

It uses a lot of dom runes yeah

[jovial coral]

what if I just

use dom

I deploy dom a lot honestly

[final basin]

Once he's below 50 he sucks

coco burst will literally just one shot a vela

and then have it back up next turn

if it landed a debuff

[jovial coral]

ill see if I can rune that without breaking dom

but unlikely

[final basin]

You could drop res for a higher spd coco too

Its just cause she's so slow im abusing getting lots of stats

[jovial coral]

yea classic leo trap things

ill see tmrw, I have to probably

[final basin]

I also really struggle with these comps so im curious if wolfy has any other unit ideas I could try too lol

[jovial coral]

douman!!

irene if I had her maybe

[shadow schooner]

Irene is op

[icy vigil]

Irene is probably the strongest F2P option

Verd maybe 2nd strongest

P2P I'd say Douman Giana

Though actually I ban Verd more than Irene so idk

Maybe verd still best

I'd say Mi Ying post buff now is also like top 5 into me

Though his winrate seems insane so far so maybe he's just overall broken

TL is good into Gapsoo/Akroma/Giou but I'd say you want them to have at least 2 atb boosting units before you pick it

[thorny minnow]

I think Irene

is very quickly hitting the same tier if not moreso as douman @icy vigil

the unit is genuinely insane

[icy vigil]

yeah I had a shit day cos of that unit

Well her and Ella

Like either nerf the effects of S3 or revert it to strip only 1 buff

Idc which they do

or increase cd

[jovial coral]

how fast do we make kiki

for no immunity drafts

like I wanted to put her on this set but uh its kinda bad

wait actually I only play with single target strips/tl

@icy vigil rate the deployment please

I went for dom cuz uh

full water/wind at that point

and hes my only wind bruiser really other than wmk

but wmk didnt seem too special here

[icy vigil]

TL is good there cos they got like 3 things that can proc passive

Dom ain't bad there either tbh

I like it

[jovial coral]

also won against angela!

I just went full bruiser units

no picking sekh

[tribal ice]

ur missing 10k hp

[jovial coral]

I dont have sets anymore

[tribal ice]

https://i.imgur.com/bfKHfvM.png

surely you can do sth like this

its a counterpick anyway

doesnt need to be too fast

[jovial coral]

maybe

that low acc fine?

is it 50 (im blind)

[tribal ice]

its 50

get some s3 acc arti and i think its okay

[jovial coral]

ill try if I can do something similar

[tribal ice]

u have so many debuffs anyway

[jovial coral]

no adds?

[icy vigil]

Mine is on wack ass leftover runes but I don't really use her

[jovial coral]

wait wolfy has kiki

[tribal ice]

dont look at the build i sent wolfy

https://i.imgur.com/sy0WhgM.png

i tried to simulate simi runes

[jovial coral]

[icy vigil]

Yes

[tribal ice]

honestly tho

just +30k with 70acc after arti is fine imo

[dusk notch]

[jovial coral]

ill see

@tribal ice

way too slow?

and where def...

or this

is probably a bit better

oh 2 of these runes dont have spd grinded

so its +140

[tribal ice]

do this

[jovial coral]

yea did it and fixed it a bit with some grinds

still need to do more r5 tho

[jovial coral]

I do not know how to play against this

I mean

every time Ive played it with juno tetra vero or something

I just get screwed by the anticleanse

[tribal ice]

take T1 threats

[jovial coral]

yikes my only swift runed is sekh eshir

so I guess those 2 +2 lead

[tribal ice]

no sonia right

that unit helps a lot

[jovial coral]

I have it

but cant rune it

[tribal ice]

can't rune it fair

the least thing you have to do is threaten to contest

and then go Juno vero

[jovial coral]

alr

[tribal ice]

if you give them room to pick beth

or amber

it's tough

[jovial coral]

I thought this draft wasnt super bad, only tl a bit too early probably

also shizuka into oliver is

not great

but idk what else to pick

I lost super hard btw

[tribal ice]

juno

Vero works too but Juno is better

[merry sluice]

Since when did simi have tl pater

[jovial coral]

u forgot kiki

[jovial coral]

@icy vigil im trying something new

can you teach me the ways

I won this but felt like I lacked a lot of dmg

[thorny minnow]

that's because you do. gany shiz are cool together but you have like no threat at all outside of oli going ballistic

he should've banned oli as it is

[jovial coral]

yea maybe hg first pick is a bit weird

i can fp oli/vela maybe

[thorny minnow]

oli is the best fp in the game atm

cause there's at least 3 different lines you can go to follow it up

oli sekh jeong, oli miles rat, oli lds

etc

[jovial coral]

do you fp oli? as a tl owner

ive avoided is cuz tl

[thorny minnow]

i've been trying other fps

but yes

oli is still best fp

[jovial coral]

I should rune a rat

[thorny minnow]

he can just take over the game if he's not hard hard focused

why do you think vela is omega giga prevalent

fireu nit with push and immunity

[jovial coral]

yeah

but yeah basically what happened all game:

he couldnt do anything

I controled him and eventually just won

he didnt take a single meaningful turn

[thorny minnow]

his drafts kinda lal over the place

[jovial coral]

yea lol

ill fp oli for a bit and see how that works out in my drafts

[icy vigil]

Hae Vela is fine but I feel like the Shizuka is a bit much

and usually with these drafts rather than control like Oliver you go something more bruisery

Though tbh it's usually fire pony or a bunch of LD shit

[jovial coral]

I dont have the ld shit

and my fire pony is runed like a leo counter

[icy vigil]

I mean the idea is you pick some pretty annoying tanky bruiser unit that would lose if you can debuff it but you get like Gapsoo/Hae/Vela through so they can't do it

[jovial coral]

time to rune up a feng

that could work in some drafts right?

ive also used kiki a few times with this kind of draft

it feels pretty nice

[final basin]

Feng is kinda free to rune for rta so you should yeah

He doesn't really share runes with much that you already have runed up

[jovial coral]

because when I take vela, they usually dont know about immunity

[jovial coral]

yea I think I can just copy my siege runes and it wouldnt steal any runes from someone else

[final basin]

But not destroy

[jovial coral]

oh right

[final basin]

I think rev is good especially with Sagar goneski

[jovial coral]

[icy vigil]

Oh if you're doing hae strats it needs to be Will

FYI

[jovial coral]

oh right

[final basin]

But yeah if ur fp haegang then yes

[merry sluice]

Siege feng is a lot slower than rta feng I thought

[jovial coral]

I think rta feng is fine at +100 ish?

[final basin]

My rta feng is like 13X

[jovial coral]

oh

[final basin]

On rev

[final basin]

So a bit faster but not speedy

[icy vigil]

This is mine

[jovial coral]

I Cant do that

can I drop res

[icy vigil]

With Hae sure why not

[final basin]

Stat distribution not absolute amounts

Ur not g3 dont expect to match g3 builds

Sets and distribution is what you copy

[icy vigil]

I mean this thing is on like 3 or 4 purple runes lol

[jovial coral]

oh yeah also uhm whats the shizuka gany angle

it sounds really good into the right draft

[final basin]

Own eleanoa

[jovial coral]

[icy vigil]

or Douman

[final basin]

It's hella low damage especially if you opened haegang

Idk if you ever get to do it tbh

[jovial coral]

do I just fp vela

instead of oli

[final basin]

Can confirm fp vela sucks

[jovial coral]

oli fp kinda kills my tl

[final basin]

I think Seara is still the fp for your box

[jovial coral]

and we need to ld abuse!

[merry sluice]

On that topic, why isn’t oli hae pater being floated around

[jovial coral]

[final basin]

I saw dale talking about oli but oli isn't good with vela or pater

[merry sluice]

Isn’t pater pretty good all round?

[final basin]

Or tl

Yes but then you get immunity/strip and oli immediately has no immunity after s3-s2

[jovial coral]

every time ive used pater in 'random' spots he felt super good

[merry sluice]

Fair point but seara shares similar issues no?

[jovial coral]

you dont always have to detonate

[final basin]

Yes she does but she's more aggressive

[jovial coral]

but ye

[merry sluice]

You have to bomb

[final basin]

You take 2 turns regardless of detonate or not

[jovial coral]

oh right

im dumb

ignore me

wait no dont this is my thread

so we go seara fp

and really just pivot

[final basin]

That's my take

[icy vigil]

I'm not a fan of Seara without Giana but that's just me

[jovial coral]

brb sacking giana

[icy vigil]

Safest non-ld draft atm is like Jeongnam stuff

[jovial coral]

i dont have jeongnam

[jovial coral]

this just

died

maybe a sustain pick somewhere, but idk where

and idk what

lucia is triple rev and theres not that much aoe here I feel

rat maybe

[final basin]

Would not recommend ever taking vela into gapsoo really

If you ever try land a def break he probs just gets a free turn and cleanses it immediately

Miles is fine here though

[jovial coral]

I need a BIGGER BOX

I runed praha

because im desperate for sustain

[merry sluice]

Ritsu cooks this draft

[jovial coral]

donate please

[merry sluice]

If he misses the 85% just ff tho

[jovial coral]

been trying out this

these 3 I won

this one I lost

I just didnt have any dmg in the last one

[icy vigil]

I used to try taking Kiki into Gapsoo/Angela cos it seemed good in theory but I always got fucked up

[jovial coral]

yeah I did get fucked up

I thought spamming debuffs would be good

so they dont cleanse the important ones

[icy vigil]

Yeah in theory it sounds good but you're better off just throwing as much damage as you can at them

It's how I'm dealing with the Jade Hae stuff atm, they just spam as many buffs as they can and it's easier to just throw Dominic and whatnot at them. Same idea with Gapsoo Angela stuff

[tribal ice]

ye this is 100% the play to fight these guys

take miles if they didnt as well

dominic is good

gapsoo/jeongnam with true damage s2 is good

even woosa can be good with the s2

and obviously defignore/snipe

[jovial coral]

yeah ill go back to picking dom here

problem I usually had was gapsoo + whatever just killing my dom

[jovial coral]

@dreamy tide coach me

wind monkey kinda bad here

but idk who else to pick

I lost

[thorny minnow]

Juno lol

Wmk is fine imo

[dreamy tide]

I think the TL is misplaced

[thorny minnow]

Tl into vela feels omega bad usually

[jovial coral]

o

my tl brain said 'hey thats 3 monsters with atb boost'

[dreamy tide]

A lot of the time in the latter picks of ur draft theres "counterpick" units that defintely counter the other team but

it doesnt fit in ur own

Like there u alr hav e a spd lead Anad 2 high base swift units (maybe vio shi hou but still)

u want to keep playing aggressive

imo

[jovial coral]

in context of this loss I got

outsped

but yea here I was also considering miles in lp (or even over tl in 4p)

[dreamy tide]

yeah i think the TL pick screwed u over and then the ban

[jovial coral]

I ban kass a lot

cuz when I leave it in, I lose seara or smth very quickly

and its kinda over

[thorny minnow]

do you have oke lmao

[dreamy tide]

This case its diff bc u ended up pivoting but

oance u have turn 1 aggression i think u can leave it in (single target stuff)

Id have to test shi hou into kass, generally it might be fine but depending on ur damage u wud either kill, stun leaving it 1 hp or forcing it to move

[thorny minnow]

i think if you're fping sekh like that you realistically should never have to worry about fire kass ngl

cause one of oyour core picks deals with it perfectly fine

[jovial coral]

yea next devil target

after chandra

[jovial coral]

yes in general maybe not, its when in same draft as vela that it feels annoying

because my drafts are very low on strip usually

so I kinda have to reset vela

[thorny minnow]

no twinks right

[jovial coral]

nope

ok im reruning box

im gonna throw builds here

heres what ive done so far

last season I was short on water

now I feel short on wind

oh and wang

I wanna maybe rerune xing zhe but im not sure

he looks kinda cope

on this set

lami

[dreamy tide]

Xing Zhe feels kinda shit now

[jovial coral]

I barely pick him anymore

idk

I want to rerune dom

and an idea was vio ethna

and maybe oliver still

[thorny minnow]

sekh looks fine, monke wants like another 3-4k hp and is ok, miles wants more hp, can try for like another 100 def on shiz just to be reliably sonia trapped vs warlord sonias, fire megumi is w/e that unit always cuts and needs nothing more than acc, idk pater so can't comment

wang is rly good

where are you picking that lami

[jovial coral]

into low damage turn 2 mostly

[jovial coral]

monke as in shi hou?

would I drop some spd for it?

its currently just on my second set that has atk4 acc6

[thorny minnow]

no if that's just your fastest set it is what it is

[jovial coral]

it is still missing a full hp gem grind

cuz I just sacked the rune today

[thorny minnow]

most sonias will do like

24kish

even if outspd

[jovial coral]

I have a little bit of -wind

like 9%

so it should be fine

miles more hp is only doable if I drop max acc

actually no this is doable

@dreamy tide you know pater right

[dreamy tide]

yea

[jovial coral]

I feel like his build looks very weak

I like his dmg but hes just so squish

[dreamy tide]

i mean its just whatever best u can do

[jovial coral]

would maybe be worth going slower for more stats?

[dreamy tide]

hes the def/hp is kinda low

um

idk how much slower u can run it

[jovial coral]

I still want to cut but

[dreamy tide]

he needs some speed

also i dont think shi hou needs max acc

[jovial coral]

[dreamy tide]

i run mine on 54 acc

acc 6 on him seems overkill

For me i use him as a swift contest unit though, so whatever is my fastest on slot hes using

so mine is def % slot 6

[jovial coral]

I can do this on swift will

[dreamy tide]

i like it

only 3 speed for will

and more stats

[jovial coral]

[dreamy tide]

where is that cr coming from

slot 2?

[jovial coral]

yea and innates

[dreamy tide]

ah ok

Super eff rune

I mean technically if u play arnd with shi hou and dont like the acc

u could just go acc rolls on slot 2

but for now thats op

[jovial coral]

now time to rune tl

my accuracy despawned

but

these are my 2 realistic options I think

second still missing a def gem/grind

and +2 spd

[dreamy tide]

looks fine

[jovial coral]

first or second

[dreamy tide]

lowkey fk acc

[jovial coral]

I feel like that too

[dreamy tide]

I like tanky TLs

that unit becomes so much more problematic the longer he lives

[jovial coral]

dale you ran vio ethna right

did you run cr

[thorny minnow]

no that was crs trying it

[jovial coral]

ah

[thorny minnow]

and yes you still run cr

[jovial coral]

I tried cd but

I cant get stats

lmao

dies to a sekhmet s3

[dreamy tide]

Nah never do cd ethna

[jovial coral]

idk where the stats went but

this is the best I can do on leftovers

[thorny minnow]

ethna isn't a leftovers unit

[jovial coral]

then I should just not bother runing it probably

I dont have the runes for her for swift

and I dont feel like shes good enough for me to dedicate some better runes to

[thorny minnow]

i'm starting to realize that tl just exists to stay alive steal turns and do a fuckton of dmg with s1

and add dmg

[jovial coral]

kinda lol

[dreamy tide]

I mean yeah

TL is really annoying when yeah his passive is ther ebut

if hes tanky as fuck and has insane artis

its super op

[jovial coral]

lf insane artis

thats the starving part for me

[thorny minnow]

[dreamy tide]

I dont own good TL artis as yet

[jovial coral]

ok this is what the box looks like rn

oh I have to rune kiki if its even worth

but yeah the wind poverty is real

[thorny minnow]

do u have

misty

[jovial coral]

I do but

negative vampire runes

[thorny minnow]

yea fair

lol

your mhw is better than mine btw

pretty considerably

[jovial coral]

my mhw is I think on like

the best runes it can have

[thorny minnow]

https://imgur.com/NyHQglm

[jovial coral]

I like that extra tankiness on yours

I need that

[thorny minnow]

0 acc kinda sus

[jovial coral]

[thorny minnow]

but

[jovial coral]

is misty

vamp nem

[thorny minnow]

rev nem

doesn't matter

same thing

i like rev more ngl

[jovial coral]

good

my rev is better than nem lol

[thorny minnow]

mine is cheeks but he's a niche pivot vs low dmg no sustain teams

[jovial coral]

I forgot attack at home

[thorny minnow]

he does dmg by spd and gains spd over time so it's w/e

add dmg unit anyways

once again yours is better

[jovial coral]

ill just use this then

so you run it into t2?

[thorny minnow]

low dmg drafts

or stuff that has to cc to win

[jovial coral]

Ill try him out

[thorny minnow]

he got oneshot by yh here

but it's ok bc fmk solo'd whole draft

it's better as a 4/5p

[jovial coral]

hmm that first draft is the kinda stuff I struggle with sometimes

so thats nice

[thorny minnow]

yea just can't play vs irene

[jovial coral]

do I accept: gg outsped

I think miles was kinda weaker here

maybe shit hou was bettter here

[thorny minnow]

Fire monke him

Giana bomb is not killing monke

And he's still forced to ban pater

[jovial coral]

ah

forgot about wang...

[thorny minnow]

Ur monke is also tanky so a miss sonia crit also isn't doing it

Zibala tetsuya are monke food

[jovial coral]

[jovial coral]

idk how to play against this shit

I tried to spam damage

I did none

these are all my losses since reruning

all of them against t2 shit

[shadow schooner]

Why is there a sekhmet

[jovial coral]

Idk tbh

[shadow schooner]

Bring sustain

[jovial coral]

lucia ok?

[shadow schooner]

Do you have bolverk

[jovial coral]

I do

not runed atm but

I can probably give it a set

[woven wolf]

boo

[jovial coral]

what does rta bolv look like

[shadow schooner]

same as regular

[jovial coral]

but faster

or

[thorny minnow]

Ban Angela bring bolv

[jovial coral]

what about the others

I kinda got fucked all the way in #2 by a random dark gojo spawn

I was so ready to ban oblivion

[shadow schooner]

Personally

I would have done 1

Seara fp -> vela Angela response
-> bolverk miles (I actually use Bella but same difference)

And then worked from there

[jovial coral]

[shadow schooner]

You’re picking a lot of frankly dead units

What does sekhmet do vs woosa Angela Racuni

Why is there a mhw

Why is there a misty

[jovial coral]

idk I was told to send a shit ton of damage

into angela stuff

but I can never break through it

[shadow schooner]

Half your picks are nonsensical in the framework of what they’re doing

[thorny minnow]

Depends on rest of draft, I send those when I have a solid 3 units alr

Like oli oke

Does so much in 2 units

[shadow schooner]

Like here- they have no strip

Why aren’t you pressuring that

[jovial coral]

I wanted to pick vela but he had it

[dreamy tide]

[jovial coral]

other immunity I have runed is pater

[thorny minnow]

Don't send misty vs gapdoll

[jovial coral]

I can also punish it with shi hou shizuka maybe?

[shadow schooner]

You can Praha 1/2/4 btw

[thorny minnow]

You can tl this btw

[jovial coral]

praha I would have to rune again

is it just spd cr hp desp will?

[dreamy tide]

is ur seara tanky

[thorny minnow]

Vio

[dreamy tide]

or squishy damage

[jovial coral]

+27k

[dreamy tide]

ok

[jovial coral]

is it okay to run bolv turtle spd

my normal bolv set shares runes with tetra and josephine somehow

[shadow schooner]

Faster than seara

[jovial coral]

oh I dont think I can do that on res

[dreamy tide]

i think some of the games u banned wrong

sek is a pretty spammable unit atm

[jovial coral]

[dreamy tide]

this game woosa ban is wrong

think u shuda done angela

or rat

[jovial coral]

during the game I was feeling josephine

[dreamy tide]

fire monke is w eirdge here

[jovial coral]

but angela was a problem yes

[dreamy tide]

fire monke + water monke weirdge here

[jovial coral]

can I just put tl in 2p there, against gapdoll open

[dreamy tide]

water monke weirdge here

[jovial coral]