with vero and fire shizuka banned, wouldnt you have won?
#Lacro's RTA attempt again..
delicate wyvern
final lily
perhaps hahah
my brain farted tbh so that's on me
Man getting acc on him sure is hard...
final lily
@opal widget @delicate wyvern runes are less than desirable lol
delicate wyvern
I'll try to find apze one when I get home in like 5 hours or so
final lily
I'll try to find apze one when I get home in like 5 hours or so
Yeah i tried to look it up but couldn't find the unit's actual stats
final lily
I'll try to find apze one when I get home in like 5 hours or so
Pinging hahaha
final lily
yeahh figures hahahah
I switched it up a bit so that he at least moves before some of my bruisers
for that S1 strip
just about squishy tho
sleek kettle
Drop speed and get more stats
final lily
Drop speed and get more stats
Don't really have to speed tune to move in front of bruisers then i guess?
final lily
Fair, i was just thinking in case my first three picks works with strips, but the herteit was 5p as counter pick, maybe the strip would be somewhat helpful?
alpine igloo
yeah you could probably easily drop 30 speed if not more
robust grotto
That’s way overkill
final lily
That’s way overkill
Hi
Ahahha
Good to know
So hes really just a LP and not bothering with having to speed tune him too much then?
Would you say vio or vamp works out better
robust grotto
So hes really just a LP and not bothering with having to speed tune him too much...
He’s a late pick not necessarily last pick
And I like vio
-dark
robust grotto
Specifically for gapdoll i reckon?
Yea
alpine igloo
what is the speed of your core that you run him so slow?
hes a counterpick
robust grotto
what is the speed of your core that you run him so slow?
Uh 170 ish
final lily
mhmmm alrighty
@robust grotto still need to grind quite a some runes that's not max purple
robust grotto
looks good
Tbh - the attack I have is unnecessary if you can sack that for other stats I’d do so
His job is basically to turn defense break into defense ignore
final lily
Tbh - the attack I have is unnecessary if you can sack that for other stats I’d ...
oh? hmm
I have an atk arti, can probably switch to hp or def then
final lily
<:Hmmmm:624422574709014538> looks good
Idea is if they go heavy turn 2 I'll just drop douman herteit and call it a day in 4/5p I reckon?
robust grotto
Yea they’re probably interchangeable as this works
final lily
funnily enuf I have arta too. can peek urs?
I probably can't rune him well since my despair runes are actual poverty
robust grotto
-water
Although tbh I’m not sure what -ele to run him on but water is a miles thing
final lily
yeah I can't rune my arta anywhere near that
my despair runes are actual Garbo 
you're running seal I reckon
alpine igloo
Yea they’re probably interchangeable as this works
douman could end up better since no healing/revive sometimes but yeah its mostly 50/50
cerulean spindle
didn''t you say you hated arta
final lily
I don’t have the seal runes for this
pretty low stat and efficiency @.@
you think it's still worth using like this lol
robust grotto
didn''t you say you hated arta
He’s cool but he’s pretty niche due to the combo of def break being abundant and everything having some level of defense ignore
robust grotto
pretty low stat and efficiency @.@
Try it
robust grotto
the moment you see gap you instantly throw in heavy T2 counters?
Depends how it opens
If they first pick something like Angela or gapsoo I usually just plop Irene vela and go from there
delicate wyvern
I feel like you can also pick that into some teams like what elmimo uses sometimes like Angela+woosa+jager
final lily
I just pulled ashour, anyone got a reference that I can see? for in a twins core.
Deciding between the two
It is a little bit behind in speed compared to my core currently though i believe
fervent gyro
ashour being in front of stuff is kinda important
so he can cleanse
I think cr ashour isnt it
you kinda need cd for it to be worth building
final lily
ahh right so he needs to be even faster then hmm. forgot his cleanse part
still got time to farm before he is usable anyway, I don't have the devilmons for him just yet
delicate wyvern
cr ashour is him
the big problem ashour has
is that he's probably one of the hardest mons to rune for rta
final lily
what kinda hp would you comfortably use ashour? +25k min?
final lily
cr ashour is him
?
delicate wyvern
I dont really have a benchmark cause I never attempted to build as my runes don't allow me to
sleek kettle
ashour on cr is not pickable imo
u dont need him moving infront of stuff, since his s2 is already a strip + silence
hes self sufficient
final lily
ashour on cr is not pickable imo
Whay else lacking on the ashour that i should fix? Other than the devilmonn of ckz
final lily
Yeah douman herteit kinda free win into this kind of nonsense lol
fervent gyro
well its a leo fp 
silent kindle
t2 maxi kekw
final lily
I cant make sense of the opposing team
Me neither rofl but i take the free win
final lily
Maybe herteit douman wasnt the best idea here lol
delicate wyvern
Douman could be alright, but herteit isnt getting much done there with your draft, especially vs chakra that probably bonks your team before you start going
glossy star
Should have fire mk, juno 4,5 and ban last pick. You dont want to use douman vs. heavy resets / swift contests, mainly only used vs. turn 2.
final lily
Is this just bad rng? I missed douman s3 the whole game but angela might still fk me over
Even if i land
cedar widget
twins suck into full supports
you need to pivot into much more support or more damage
gapsoo kinda does nothing there, it couldve been a fire unit or more cd reset or a better healer
delicate wyvern
leo there allows you to last pick things that give you turn cycling such as verde for example, or something that can snipe something like federika aswell
final lily
gapsoo kinda does nothing there, it couldve been a fire unit or more cd reset or...
Cd reset on enemy or u mean for my team?
cedar widget
your team
final lily
Ahh
final lily
leo there allows you to last pick things that give you turn cycling such as verd...
No federika, but yeah maybe verde.
final lily
gapsoo kinda does nothing there, it couldve been a fire unit or more cd reset or...
Honestly i dont rly have much healer in rta outside of angela gapsoo and maybe the fire angela. Who else should i have
cedar widget
anavel?
final lily
Right, but i reckon not here against 3 wind right?
Also, do you think im picking fire twink too early?
cedar widget
the 3 wind are leo wind mk
id use anavel anyway 
well, ofc there are better options, but i mean in this yes anavel or no anavel vacuum
delicate wyvern
No federika, but yeah maybe verde.
fire monkey?
final lily
.. this whole time i have jade and i never realised. Is it worth building her?
final lily
does it go well with double twins? I imagine the cooldown decrease might be disgusting with them
delicate wyvern
she is mostly seen with vela, and I still dont like her that much, but to some degree she can work
final lily
Hmmmm welp. I'll see how it goes and decide again when shes actually skilled lol
Still gotta practice more with how to use twins first lol
robust grotto
Jade is an extender if that makes sense
You’re basically picking her versus non interactive drafts
Or being a doofus with vela Chandra
final lily
You’re basically picking her versus non interactive drafts
Hmm what are examples of non interactive draft?
robust grotto
Hmm what are examples of non interactive draft?
Easiest example is stuff like Gapdoll
Or whatever Wolfy is playing at any given moment
robust grotto
Basically stuff that’s just not meaningfully interacting with your side and just being super tanky
final lily
Easiest example is stuff like Gapdoll
Hmmm, would i pick jade over douman herteit into things like that tho?
robust grotto
You usually pick her with them
In order to enable them
I pick Jade/irene/herteit for example
Where jade just breaks those two
final lily
Right interesting. I can rune her without breaking any impt units, might keep her in my back pocket then
final lily
I feel like here I forced myself into a corner going double twins from the getgo
should I stop picking fire twin in my first three pick?
lost these two
the yh game I just didn't outspeed
the jade one I just lost to procs I think, genuinely shahat procced everyturn. but idk if draft could be better
pretty pissed by the rng in the shahat game tbh lol
delicate wyvern
should I stop picking fire twin in my first three pick?
Double twins already place people into the awkward corner, not you, but you need to control the draft from there
douman there forced you to ban angela which otherwise you could have let through for free
and took out wind mk/fire mk depending on your last pick
you shouldnt pick your ld5 every game just because you have them 
unless they are Lora/TL
final lily
just got back to rta after a busy week lol
was a very very close match, I don't really know how to pick into straight turn 1 here tbh :/
robust grotto
You need to pick a speed threat here
you cant really let these guys set up
I use eshir, you can use sekh or ethna
final lily
my issue is, I know for sure my swift runes don't compete
I have negative swift runes
robust grotto
I mean its not about competing
you just have to force them up
My line into these styles of drafts
is
twink-> eshir sagar -> xx
and in this case
haegang/nem bering
(my stuff is all on will)
either they ban the nem trap and hg boosts eshir and my team to move before them
or they get nem trapped
final lily
hmmm. I could throw in yh, but I need to switch her up to will that I don't own kek
I just haven't used her forever coz my swift doodoo
would yh work or eshir is better here
final lily
Yh can work, but it depends how you play
I genuinely cannot rune a swift unit lmao
only have one usable set on water twink and that's not even fast
best I can do lmao
robust grotto
I prescribe you more giants
final lily
trust me I have been doing
final lily
this one I don't think the draft was terrible?
Dominic was taken out fairly fast, then miles and shahat just proc forever
I swear shahat got boosted vio proc rates
everytime I've seen him, he has always vio proc every turn
robust grotto
Imo you went into bruiser a tad early
final lily
hmm how so?
my thoughts were since his first two picks alrdy dictate turn 2 heavily, so I figured I can counter pick with anti turn 2 type of units
robust grotto
my thoughts were since his first two picks alrdy dictate turn 2 heavily, so I fi...
Theres room for him to take a miles
-> oliver
style line
final lily
Aya lp here is wild
cold marsh
haegang/nem bering
Would nem trap fregate work aswell?
Because I've been considering building one to go vs these teams
sleek kettle
Technically any unit that will take a turn off nem will "work"
frigate will just use s3 though, so ur relying on ur follow up to control/etc
if ur picking hg into woonsa, u need a swift will unit to cut woonsa s3 + banning zibala is a must for that route
final lily
Would yall 6* a nem trap bering? Im not sure whats the hp treshold for him
final lily
Is there like an ideal hp range ish for them lol
sleek kettle
literally as low as possible
sleek kettle
Leo owns sav 
delicate wyvern
light tanj deals no damage
I would have banned masha or moore there personally depending on what they pick
I would also not have picked jackson there
final lily
he conceded after sekhmet fails to reset my oke, and then misplayed with water twink by boosting sekh instead of Sagar to reset me, allowing my oke to move.
but if he does succeed in didn't derp, he would have reset two units right away. what could I have drafted better?
delicate wyvern
Some form of sustain/cleanse could work there, T1 contesting also works but you had to be the one taking sekhmet there after the double twins sagar pick imo
You could also technically verde there and force the cycling
either a very fast verde or a triple revenge could work nicely imo
final lily
Some form of sustain/cleanse could work there, T1 contesting also works but you ...
I supposed vela is kinda a dead pick here right now that i look at it
final lily
Ive lost track how many times i misclicked and selected giou over douman... lol
final lily
I fked up here because the timer ran out before i could use water twink skills, otherwise i would have reset the wind twin. But i feel like i would have lost either way long run since i doubt i can handle zeratu and miying here, whats the play?
vital whale
ban zeratu
final lily
This i definitely drafted badly, maybe the ban was the 5p instead. Also thinking perhaps jackson would have been good here
delicate wyvern
you are forcing herteit too much imo
delicate wyvern
wouldn't giou as last pick win you there? Or then something that allows you to leave monkey in and take josephine out for okeanos?
final lily
I wonder if hae works for oke, especially since they have a silver
final lily
Herteit vs silver jeong is bad
Yeah herteit was defo a bad draft from me
final lily
Imo you want a wind unit over oke
Any suggestions?
I technicslly have sagar runed up but hes on leftover runes right now
robust grotto
Sagar is ok there. I’d want a speed contest somewhere tho if ur using sagar
final lily
Sagar is ok there. I’d want a speed contest somewhere tho if ur using sagar
hmm, what do you think abt Oli+sekh instead then at 2p 3p into that opener
or even 4p5p after fire twink and sagar
final lily
Ngl first time i had twins stolen from me lmao
Maybe moore might be a better lp? And ban fire twink/juno
final lily
But that early on though? Am i just anticipating that fire angel will come next so smth like vela is useless?
final lily
Do you have Shi Hou
I technically do but i wont be able to rune him now since my swift are actual garbage
delicate wyvern
That early you go oli -> sekhmet if you want, but not vela there
everything he has kind of kills vela utility, assuming you dont go crazy on vio procs
final lily
gotcha
final lily
for this game I won quite easily, but idk if he had banned Angela would it have changed the result? herteit could help keep mhw under control somewhat, but not sure if I could have outlasted him without sustain long enough. Perhaps, but maybe a different draft could be better?
final lily
btw I'm playing around with the idea of including Seara, is this usable at all though?
the squishiness scares me a little ngl
robust grotto
But that early on though? Am i just anticipating that fire angel will come next ...
It’s more of “Ramael is an aggressive setup unit that deals with vela pretty well you don’t want to take vela early vs it”
robust grotto
btw I'm playing around with the idea of including Seara, is this usable at all t...
I’d take some attack for hp
final lily
Better i suppose like this
Or i can drop more hp for atk still?
took some runes off of Moore for her
final lily
ahh
robust grotto
And defense
final lily
hmmm
final lily
I think I have to make do until I get a better slot 5 for now
final lily
I misplayed by fat fingering turn 1 lol, but i suspect i dont win this draft anyway?
Wonder if the hae was abit too early perhaps
robust grotto
haegang vs anti hg strip
final lily
This a i fked up draft, not sure how to draft against it honestly
final lily
I misplayed by fat fingering turn 1 lol, but i suspect i dont win this draft any...
I was banking that he wouldnt bring more swift unit so i can still follow up after ig haha
final lily
Erh how does one play into this lmao
I picked the wrong spd ldr coz im floozy but i outspeed anyway, not that it matters lol
delicate wyvern
Immunity and ban his only consistent strip?
final lily
right I'm stupid in rta sometimes
delicate wyvern
something like wind twin is great here, woosa also works, vela is a bit weirder to use imo but works fine
final lily
should have banned jeo and picked Vela 
mhmm I really should skill up and rune wind twin
final lily
I wish i have despair runes..
final lily
Here i did win, but looking at it i feel like picking oke lp pushed me into i need to gamble what he bans with what i banned. If he banned oke, i might be in a bit more of a pickle?
final lily
Too close for comfort for this game
delicate wyvern
Chow is more threatning than camilla there
but imo the wrong pick was oke there
he already had a 24 to contest your 24, and a faster resetter
alpine igloo
main issue is going oke is way too many fire alr
final lily
he already had a 24 to contest your 24, and a faster resetter
hmm what would have been a better option here to play at oke spot?
final lily
main issue is going oke is way too many fire alr
yeah. I reckon wind twin over fire twin here would be better. but didn't have wind twin ready yet at this match
I wonder if picking yh over oke/fire twin here to force another speed threat would be better actually?
even if my yh is not actually outspeeding anything most likely
delicate wyvern
hmm what would have been a better option here to play at oke spot?
I cant remember your rooster, but something more aggro there
miles would actually work since it threatens the turn 1
final lily
right, probably a better pick than yh actually haha
final lily
I cant remember your rooster, but something more aggro there
hang on lemme just post it again
I have like the first three rows runed, and then some niche counters at the bottom rows runed, not everything
delicate wyvern
no chance you have seara somewhere? As mid range it could work into that draft, since it would force sekhmet reset
final lily
no chance you have seara somewhere? As mid range it could work into that draft, ...
I technically do, but she's not speed tuned coz I couldn't drop her speed without dropping too much stats lol
So i just havent been drafting her
I actually did consider seara over oli in that 4p, but prolly a bit late right?
delicate wyvern
thats mine
I would argue both are good enough, especially when he is somewhere in conq/plat rn
final lily
I think realistically my absolute limit is p3 probably
alpine igloo
I would argue both are good enough, especially when he is somewhere in conq/plat...
Yeah ik I was just sharing mine so he can compare
One of my artis is hp main too
final lily
on hindsight was this a hae ban instead?
just started trying to figure out wind twins so losing quite a bit
robust grotto
Wind twin forces you to ban hg
Honestly if you had banned the hg you’d be a lot better off
stuck jacinth
You arent really reacting to this draft. If thats your hg response you need to finish it out. I see two single target strips against double immunity. Even if u banned hg im not too sure how you are going to win
delicate wyvern
I dont think last picking oliver is the play either
stuck jacinth
With the draft as it is you must ban hg yea
robust grotto
Hg kind of hard counters both halves of sadiel
final lily
Hmmm oki gotcha
should I have not picked wind twin and went smth else in the first place especially since hae fp
stuck jacinth
I mean if ur tuned well u could reset vela with oki and strip reset laima
Haegang just screws u because he brings tons of buffs to boost him when u strip
final lily
Fair point
final lily
any suggestions what could be done better here? I feel like the Verde pick would have been fine if he revenge even a single time, but obv not ideal to depend on Verde rev
the giana game I kinda got cooked, not sure how to pivot out in that situation
vital whale
verde sucks into haegang, second game you comitted too hard to 2 wind in first two picks and got rolled by it
dapper pewter
who did you put your swift on
final lily
Water twins in the draft only
dapper pewter
i think you need a real swift spd contest unit
final lily
Sekh and yh technically on swift as an option, just that the runes kinda doodoo
dapper pewter
you have ethna too right
final lily
My swift in general are really bad, trust me ive been farming
dapper pewter
doesn't matter if it's bad
final lily
I have ethna sonia yh sekh as swift units options, water mk too i think..? I might have to check that.
dapper pewter
you're not doing even races against pepole
you're using a swift contest unit to race stuff like water twin or giana
you win even if you're like 15 spd slower
pick one of the 3 to give your best swift set to
depending on what your fastest slot 6 and slot 4 main speeds are
for example if your best slot 4 is cr, use ethna
if your best slot 6 is acc, use sekh
if your best slot 4/6 are just hp or def, use yh or eshir
vital whale
i think if your best cr is 4 i'd still go yh there, ethna isn't as plug and play as yh is
dapper pewter
and then the other thing about your drafts, not just the last 2, but a lot of the earlier ones too
vital whale
i would actually just go fastest set on yh and spam it, esp with twinks
dapper pewter
you don't draft enough damage
vital whale
^ another thing yh does really well
dapper pewter
other than yh, miles is good. ashour is good, pick him more
pick seara more as a 2nd spd lead
within your 2nd round of picks (i.e. within your first 3 units if you fp, or first 4 if you 2nd pick), try to have at least one of those big dmg units
vital whale
even if you're spamming twinks you can still go twink fp and followup with yh and now you have dmg and spd contest while still leaving the rest of your draft super ambiguous
dapper pewter
like the last draft where you respond to water twin with oli wind twin, that should have been like oli + damage
at the very least on your next 2 picks you can't still have 0 damage
vital whale
oli oke./ashour are the openers there, you need to swap twins and oke in draft
dapper pewter
another way to think about it is that you don't need to try to stack multiple units of the same role thinking that you want to cover your bases in case they ban one of them, or one of your acc/res checks miss
you want to pick multiple different roles that can deal with the enemy drafts in different ways
for example against giana, you can pick haegang and a swift unit
oke didn't make sense there because you already had plenty of strip and cc from oli + wind twin
final lily
Right okay yeah, i will need to digest these and try again tonight, thanks!
Do you think its worth breaking maybe sekh and nerfing water twins to boost yeonhong up?
Wait lol i missed sekh
dapper pewter
put absolute fastest set on yh
then if you like swift water twin you can do next fastest swift/will on him
final lily
How critical for will on yh?
dapper pewter
dont need will for your top set
after those 2 units then it kinda depends how much slower your next best swift is to see if its even worth running anything else on swift
final lily
Ehhh...
Will would be top set if using hp slot 6. Broken is faster, but using a slot 6 vio as broken kinda pain, and is atk main stat
But I keep water twin untouched
final lily
put absolute fastest set on yh
Which of the two do you think i should go with?
dapper pewter
the faster set
final lily
I'll roll with this for now ig, and water twins no changes. Should be workable..?
final lily
for the woonsa game I did outspeed, but I couldn't follow up with the draft here
the ragdoll game I feel like I just got outdrafted with the ragdoll last pick
dapper pewter
ahh sorry i dont have as much experience with yh but yea you need to draft her with monsters that actually do something with their turn
could be strip/cc like wind twin, wind robo, maybe even sagar
or could be another booster that can in turn allow the rest of your team to move like water twin, chandra
the second game you can't decide that you're going to ban some monster before you even see all your opponents picks
like when you make your 4th and 5th pick, you have to make those picks assuming that you will ban their last pick
it looks like you decided you wanted to ban haegang already
instead of testuya verde i would have done something like seara sekhmet
that gives you a 2nd source of damage, a 2nd speed lead, a 2nd spd contest, and doesn't make any of those existing 4 enemy picks a force ban
vital whale
could be strip/cc like wind twin, wind robo, maybe even sagar
Okeanos, wind twink, robo sagar are main ones. Avg base spd units
Oke is prob most meta rn as followup
final lily
it looks like you decided you wanted to ban haegang already
I was just thinking that hae was forced to be ban because of wind twins :/
if I had picked Seara sekh, would rag be the ban or still hae? (assuming he still picked rag last)
dapper pewter
nah you don't have to ban haegang, i probably would have banned vela
you can just wait out the 1st turn where he has will
robust grotto
What bomb dmg should i be looking out for on seara
Depends on other stats
18+ is what I’d shoot for
final lily
Depends on other stats
I have the option between this, ~20k bomb dmg
or replace a hp artifact for an atk artifact with higher bomb dmg but no additional dmg, for 24k bomb dmg
robust grotto
I have the option between this, ~20k bomb dmg
Uh I like more bulk personally
Seara usually is a high priority target
This with bomb damage arts does 19k
delicate wyvern
nowadays a lot of people also go less atk and more def as a sonia trap and generally speaking Id argue thats the best approach
her damage is secondary imo, nice to have but rather her being alive
final lily
Hmm how much bonb dmg do you have on that
Smth like this? But doesnt look like will trap a lot of sonias yet haha
alpine igloo
Smth like this? But doesnt look like will trap a lot of sonias yet haha
Sonia isn't an issue with the bp tho
final lily
Yeah just saw the bp lol
final lily
How would yall deal with this?
fervent gyro
might be wrong but dont you kinda win if you ban giana here?
final lily
I was thinking that maybe
this is my brain still booting up for rta lol
I tried to be funny and anticipate the hae ban ahaha
fervent gyro
I mean yea I just dont see him doing enough if you ban giana
no strip, can only bag one unit
well one strip but he has to boost t1
final lily
Oakay i need massive help this season
Im just constant loss streak, worse season performance ever lmao
Im actually sitting at barely above 40% wr like
At c1
Tf lol
tough ruin
What's your core team?
