stat

[round kettle]

im not sure why i leveled this honeslty

[flat helm]

you can keep this

[trail forge]

I mean this could be used, but it's really niche. CD rolls are usually not great when paired with rolls into HP%. CD rolls are usually for DD's, and they're best for Fat DD's (Damage dealers with no speed). HP% kind of makes this one tough to keep around because the CD isn't going to be used well.

[flat helm]

a guaranteed crit bruiser maybe? or too inefficient for it

[trail forge]

Personally I'd rather take higher HP rolls on most of those, like Chandra. If I want CD I'll just do a CD slot 4 and get higher HP rolls on everything else.

[round kettle]

might be one of those where i check to see what i have in that slot

if vero can use vio it might be good for him

this? one in each

again the resistance throws me off

is atk% on 4 used?

[trail forge]

This is a really good explanation about why CD isn't a super valuable stat to roll for:

[round kettle]

so

in a guide by that same person

they also say "speed is overrated in pve"

i feel like this sort of betrays that

[trail forge]

specifically it says "in pve". It doesn't say anything about PvP.

That +23 SPD blade rune you rolled? You will be able to use that in PvP even. That speed is valuable.

[round kettle]

ah right

good point yeah

[trail forge]

However, what he's saying up there is basically "dead monsters do no damage"

If you have a monster that is 300 speed but only 10k ehp, he dies and that speed is useless.

[round kettle]

so this is not one of those games where offense is the best defense? lol

[trail forge]

Which is why CD rolls on PvE runes are typically pretty expensive. You need them to be tanky to beat PvE content, not deal lots of damage.

[trail forge]

Not when you're a beginner. Once you farm more and get really good runes, then you can just burst down teh boss with speed teams. But when you're first starting out, tankiness is key.

[round kettle]

this is ok right

to keep

3 off max roll

[trail forge]

How many runes do you have like it?

By that I mean, how fast is it relative to your other slot 5 runes?

[round kettle]

thats the highest speed i have for a despair 5

[trail forge]

If you have a bunch that are faster, then this is just a sell. If it's one of your faster runes, then keep it for now.

[round kettle]

but a few that close

[trail forge]

Yeah then I'd keep that and roll it to +12 and hope for good substat rolls.

[round kettle]

like 14/15

14/15/11/10

are my closests

[trail forge]

I'd keep this. It's great for a support. Accuracy helps, speed helps, res helps. Innate flat HP is nice too.

[trail forge]

You'll probably find upgrades for it pretty fast, but for now that can be good on a mav, fran, or some other SR5 cleanser.

[round kettle]

normally i feel like i would sell this

but because its speed?

[trail forge]

Was this also a blue?

[round kettle]

im not sure

ive had this account for a while but i stopped playing for a little over a year

[trail forge]

Look at the top right of the rune page. Does it say Rare or Hero?

[round kettle]

and only recently came back

ahh

rare

[round kettle]

omg so it could literally be this

[trail forge]

Yeah, that's basically 2 of the same rune.

[round kettle]

thats so funny lol

[trail forge]

I would probably sell the first one and keep this one. At least this one has a DEF% substat.

[trail forge]

You'll definitely find that you don't need it soon enough though.

[round kettle]

is despair mostly a support set

or i guess i shouldnt think of it like that

since stats>set or whatever

sell?

i have an almost identical rune lol

[trail forge]

What do you think about these runes?

[round kettle]

i think i sell the first one

and keep the 2nd

but i could also see an argument for selling both tbh

since attack is whatever

[trail forge]

Try doing this for the next few. Instead of just asking what to do, try posting your reasoning about what you think you should do. part of the point of H&A is also to help you learn to play the game on your own. If we keep telling you what to do, you won't be able to learn.

[round kettle]

ok i like that

[trail forge]

We'll help correct you if you aren't thikning about it correctly, but I want you to be able to look at runes and make your own decisions.

[round kettle]

i mean yeah ideally i could do this on my own and not take hours asking qeustions lol

let me ask u one more thing though

before moving on to the next rune

[trail forge]

Right. Saves you time, and also helps you understand the game better. Rune management is the strategy of SW.

[round kettle]

let me rephrase

so if im looking at a rune

once im ready to move on

should i have either A) sold the rune or B) +12 it

i currently have just under 2 hours of the returning player buff so i have a huge discount on leveling them which i obviously wanna take advantage of

[flat helm]

im not sure what you mean

you mean theres 2 options, selling or to +12?

[round kettle]

yes

like if im keeping the rune

do i commit and just +12

[flat helm]

I personally upgrade a rune the moment I equip it on something

[trail forge]

You roll runes after you equip them?

[flat helm]

hahaha

no

[round kettle]

yeah thats what i thought u said too lol

[flat helm]

just purple +9s that are already good as they are and dont need the +12 confirmation to see if they are good

I only put them to +12/15 when I put it on something

but that might be me being inefficient

[round kettle]

ah ok

got it

[trail forge]

Oh that makes sense. I do that sometimes. I usually just +12 all the way with a rune though because I want to know what the final stats are for SWOP stuff.

But for PvE that works just fine.

Saves mana

[flat helm]

yea

[round kettle]

ok so ill +9 unless its like an insane rune that i know im gonna use right now

[flat helm]

yea thats fine

[trail forge]

Are you currently farming, or are you just going through runes right now?

[round kettle]

im just doing this

i finished toa normal and got to f 60 of hard and stopped because i realized my buff was ending soon

and i wanted to go through all my runes

[trail forge]

Okay. Just curious about if you're just now finding these or if you had them all previously.

[round kettle]

yeah i would say most of these i got before gbah was even a thing

like 90% of them probably

[trail forge]

Yeah, so look at the next few runes and think about what you think you should do with them, then post your thoughts and you can see if you're on the right track.

[round kettle]

this is a sell because even though its a flat def on 6 it rolled once in a hp and once in attack

if i would have all rolled on hp/speed maybe i would keep

but it would have to be REALLLY good rolls to consider since its flat def

main stat

[trail forge]

Oh one more thing, where are you at in #guides?

I need to know what kind of rune quality we can expect.

[round kettle]

i just got my sfah team up and going

although my ling ling runes are at a bit lacking

i can also technically start sss water right

since i have the water twins

i just need more def on my mav/fran

[trail forge]

Got it. I think that means that the majority of your flat stat 2/4/6 runes you can just sell outright. Most, if not all of your PvE mons should have % stats on mains.

[round kettle]

ah wait sorry

maybe not?

i dont have ardella but i though ling ling was in there with the twins

i do have hraes though so idk

(not maxed or awakened though)

but anways yeah thats roughly where im at

[round kettle]

copy

[flat helm]

yes you can still use lingling for now

but eventually you will build ardella (not much later) and then you can put her in instad of lingling

[round kettle]

i mean i have ardella just not leveled

i can probably just get her done

[flat helm]

focus on getting the water rift team running first

[round kettle]

sell

not crit or speed

is accuracy on 6 used?

sell? too much resistance but maybe i can +9 to see if it hits hp? maybe sr5

honestly not to sure about this, i wanna say keep since it has def and speed if it was hp and speed i would be more confident but im not sure how def compares to hp

[trail forge]

I would roll this to see if it hits HP and DEF. If it does, then it's a decent PvE rune for a DD.

[trail forge]

I would probably keep this if I didn't have any higher Res slot 5's.

[round kettle]

i did +6 and it hit hp% and flat def

[trail forge]

Just because you need res on monsters.

[trail forge]

I think you can roll once more for HP or DEF%

[round kettle]

rip hit flat def again

sad

this ones tough, i wanna say sell tbh

[trail forge]

No that's a great rune.

[round kettle]

LMAO

seriously

😐

i thought sell because it seems like a dd rune but then it hit acc and it has flat hp

[trail forge]

Your standards for Slot 4 can be much lower, and a Blade CD slot 4 with just 1 max roll into CR is really nice.

This can go on a Kro, for example.

He can use the Acc for his branding/def break.

And if you gem the flat HP for HP%, you've got a really good rune for PvE.

[round kettle]

oh this is an ancient rune

[trail forge]

It's fine. Still a good rune to keep.

[round kettle]

this is a instant sell

flat def and cd doesnt go well with hp

[trail forge]

I'd roll it to +3 to see if it hits HP.

If it doesn't hit HP% sell

[round kettle]

not sure about acc on 6 but it hit def twice could maybe be something for a support

sell blade with no attack substats and hit res 2x

[trail forge]

Acc slot 6 is almost always a speed cahse.

[round kettle]

what does that mean?

[trail forge]

So, Acc slot 6 is usually on a monster that has a crucial ability that needs to land. For example, Galleon.

Usually, however, that means that the monster needs to move first so that it can perform its job before the other monsters do. That way their job to land a debuff or strip is done for the other monsters to take advantage of.

Which means that unless it rolls REALLY well into some other stats, you want SPD on an Acc slot 6.

[round kettle]

this one is also hard, i think keep since it hit speed 3 times for mid values

[round kettle]

understodd

[trail forge]

It's fine for PvE, but you'll find upgrades for it pretty easy.

[round kettle]

sell

no hp/crit/spd

[trail forge]

I'd +3 for DEF rolls.

DEF isn't as valuable as HP, but you still need DEF, and this could work for that.

[round kettle]

UGH

confusion

i thought we were on the hunt

for hp/crt/spd

[trail forge]

You aren't on the hunt only for those stats.

[round kettle]

well fuck

lol

i nearly sold this too

[trail forge]

It's not amazing, but it's fine. It can be alright for PvE.

[round kettle]

sell

or maybe see if cr hits

but idk

i think just sell

no hp

[trail forge]

Hmmm..... I think i'd roll for high res one more time.

[round kettle]

it hit

19% res

[trail forge]

Okay, you can roll to 9 now.

[round kettle]

CR

[trail forge]

I'd keep that rune for now. The res rolls are nice on a DEF% slot 6. Remember, your 2/4/6 runes can have pretty low requirements.

Supports could use it, or SR5 cleansers can use it.

[round kettle]

i wanna say keep but its a fatal with no damage rolls at all

so im not sure

[trail forge]

.

YOu posted that one already. 😄

[round kettle]

omg

im so sorry

lol

\

sell 100%

[trail forge]

That one is a sell, yes. the innate CR kills it.

[round kettle]

i think this is a sell even without upgrading

[round kettle]

going off of this

[trail forge]

Yeah, I'd probably sell that.

[round kettle]

keep?

2 on res 1 on hp

could be good

[trail forge]

that's a good rune to keep. Intangible too, which means it can complete any other set.

[round kettle]

cd can be gemmed

sell this is too over the place

and no hp or sped or even def%

[trail forge]

Yeah, I'd sell that.

[round kettle]

another tough one

but i think no speed and cr innate kills it

like the previous one

[trail forge]

Okay, so let's think this one through a bit. What stats do we like on it?

[round kettle]

hp/def%

[trail forge]

Okay. So let's just pretend that we roll it to +12 and it hits HP and DEF on all the rolls. How good would the rune look then?

[round kettle]

ehh

mid

i think

maybe gemmed flat attakc for speed

actually that might be kinda decent

for like kro

[trail forge]

yes, it would be pretty good for Kro. I'd roll this one to at least +6 to see how it rolls.

[round kettle]

it hit accuracy

on the first

roll

is that dead

[trail forge]

I'd roll it once more.

[round kettle]

ok def

ill go again

hp

tempted to go again

[trail forge]

What's it look like efficiency wise?

[round kettle]

i mean kro does need like 120k ehp or something

[trail forge]

That is a fine PvE rune. Good substats for a monster that needs ATK slot 6.

[round kettle]

idk what this set is but i could roll for hp/acc/res?

+3 hit flat hp i sell

[flat helm]

not exactly, if the first roll of a legend rune gets 'wasted' you can think of the rune as a purple with 3 rolls left

[round kettle]

if the last swift was a keep this definitely has to be a keep too then

[flat helm]

I would still roll that to +6

[flat helm]

yes keep that is good

[round kettle]

ok so this is okay?

i would have prefered all hjp% lol

or hp/acc

idk i feel like the resis killed it this is purely a dd rune

another hard one its cd 4 but its DOG WATER

hit only flat atk and resistance

not sure about this tbh, keep?

[flat helm]

a little short on stats but might find a use on a damage dealer that needs accuracy, that is if the last stat is usable

[round kettle]

so +12?

this feels like the first blue that i can keep

[flat helm]

if you have the mana, sure

[round kettle]

2 nice rolls on speed

[flat helm]

compare and decide

[round kettle]

the atk on this is wasted right?

sell

i cant imagine why u would want def main on 4 with this much attack sub

NO IDEA this ones hard

keep?

[flat helm]

compare compare compare

you keep it if you dont have similar/better

[flat helm]

this one I cant think of a use either but i might be missing something

[round kettle]

um

keep?

this one is hard 3 low rolls on accuracy

[flat helm]

can keep if you dont have a lot of high def%

[flat helm]

honestly might have a use on raoq, even though its barely blue

just keep it for now, slot 4 cd isnt an easy slot to get early on

and you need a lot

[round kettle]

i sold this but idk im having second thoughts

should i rebuy and see if i get lucky with speed?

[flat helm]

that is way too early to sell

it still has 20+ spd potential

• it could be decent even with rolls other than spd

[round kettle]

that last one hard

i think sell

[flat helm]

yes you can sell that

[round kettle]

well i went through all of them

i got no where near half

[flat helm]

from now on selling your runes in the repeat battle screen will make your life a lot easier

[round kettle]

i think ill have to go through them again

but for now ive at least upgraded them enough

oh yeah, is this sell yeah?

hit 2x on flat hp

[flat helm]

yea you can sell

[round kettle]

this one has speed

but it only hit once

but its vio

[buoyant solstice]

idk what you have but a green rune is better

[flat helm]

you can sell that

[round kettle]

ok a non rune question

do we account for guild bonuses

for eHP?

particularly curious about raid beasts

as that might make the 1.5k def for mav and loren some what easier

[flat helm]

afaik these bonusses only work in cairos dungeon

so not in rift

but for cairos, you can add them to your summoner skills for ehp calculations

[round kettle]

so

the first one

double axe

is for cairos

the rest are for other places

[flat helm]

it says it in the description

[round kettle]

is either of those the water rift thing

the buffs give me +5% to both HP and DEF

[flat helm]

in that case, you can add it to your ehp calculations for those areas

[round kettle]

ok so then it would be base hp x 1.25

[flat helm]

yea rift beast is water rift etc

[round kettle]

whats raid beasts then?

[flat helm]

rift raid is r5

[round kettle]

ah okay

i mean 10% more stats for ehp is significant lol

[flat helm]

yes but I wouldnt take it into account for monster that are also used elsewhere (in an area where you dont get these guild buffs)

[round kettle]

i thought about that

the only thing i could think of is mav and fran for toah

but do they really need 1.5k def for that?

the command is unclear on that end

it reads more as like "work towards this hp/def because you will need it in rift"

rather than as a hard req for toah

[flat helm]

its not a req for toah

but ofc more tankiness = more screwups allowed = less rng

[round kettle]

thats true

[flat helm]

anyways these stats arent exactly too hard to reach

so you shouldnt have that many issues, try your best without the buffs

[round kettle]

ive been struggling alot with the defense

[flat helm]

you can use a def% mainstat

it will all come down to farming more runes

[round kettle]

yeah

and thanks to u guys and ur patience i feel better equipped to actually go through my runes as i get them

rather than just pilling them up because of anxiety lol

[flat helm]

thats good, the more you learn the less you have to ask

[round kettle]

btw

how are these spectra stats?

[flat helm]

compare them to ?gbah and you'll know

but that looks very low on ehp

[tiny cliff]

115963 ehp. Deffbroken: 54291 ehp.

[round kettle]

only 5k short

[flat helm]

then youre almost there

[tiny cliff]

123716 ehp. Deffbroken: 57921 ehp.

[round kettle]

keep?

[flat helm]

id keep that for sr5 for now

[round kettle]

whats the command to see what engraved summons to roll for

[flat helm]

?sstones

[round kettle]

should i keep upgrading this?

seems promising i think?>

[flat helm]

yea

[round kettle]

buy?

also , do u guys think its worth me spending crystals for this current event?

umm, what is this lol

[rocky rover]

no

[rocky rover]

dont understand, yr refreshing energy when u need to which means your using crystals

[rocky rover]

possibly copper/dozer, pretty efficient so would still probably keep

[round kettle]

sell right?

[hazy sigil]

I mean what would be your reason for keeping this

[round kettle]

i have SO much energy in my inbox

i havent had to refresh yet

[round kettle]

yeah idk maybe cuz its hp 4

[rocky rover]

more than, just farm more

[hazy sigil]

yeah but even if you roll this, is it going to be better than what you have and would it meet the stats you need on your monsters?

[round kettle]

yeah probably not

dumb qustion lol

mb

im still unsure about atk% on 4 though

is that used?

this is... fine?

[hazy sigil]

atk% 4 is not very useful, but i would still keep very efficient runes

[hazy sigil]

this you would just use broken

but i'd still sell this

[round kettle]

yeah ok ill sell

i wasnt sure

[hazy sigil]

most DDs are looking for slot 4 cdmg

[round kettle]

maybe it had hp% i would keep?

[hazy sigil]

no

when u roll those stats, think of what main stats ur units can use

like it drops a slot 4 hp%. who can use it? not your dd's or vero/spectra bc they run a cdmg slot 4

so instead it would be fran, loren, mav, bella who can use this for example

now you look for what subs they want from a slot 4 hp%

like it drops a slot 4 hp% with atk%, spd, def. your fran can use it because her heals scale off atk, while benefiting from spd and def

that's just an example

learn what subs your monsters need and look for those runes

[round kettle]

does it matter what i pick here

for tjhe evemt

[noble sequoia]

?runechoice

[mystic flower]

No matter where you are in the game, choose Violent anytime you get to pick the set for a rune event reward. Anytime you get to pick an artifact, pick Attack type.

[round kettle]

How do I beat this floor

I’m getting BODDIED

Do I focus the light ones first?

Or water

Even if I kill one or two

Eventually o get overwhelmed

They do so much damage and have so much cc

It feels like everything has to go perfect or I just lose

[noble sequoia]

focus light > water > wind, keep them cced

[round kettle]

Okay

[flat helm]

I prefer focussing wind here

it takes away some rng

if you kill wind as last one, theres a chance for bad rng to happen and you might fail to cc wind, he will revenge and youre dead

if you focus wind, he cant revenge

[round kettle]

Who do I go for here

[rocky rover]

have to cc and control the ones that dont get cc'ed

[round kettle]

I just pulled Dias. Does he have any use in pve?

(Dark dark knight)

[noble sequoia]

no

he's a siege tank

[round kettle]

I also pulled lushen, is he worth building up now for gbah

[noble sequoia]

refer to ?gbah, do you see lushen recommended there

[round kettle]

Oh that changed

Guess he’s just pvp now

Can someone clarify something sorry

Do I need ardella for water rift

If I have ling ling and water twins?

Also if I build ardella does she need skill ups

[flat helm]

you can use lingling for now, you will replace her for ardella when you build het later on

and yes you should skill her up, shes only a nat 3

[round kettle]

I’ll just make her now

I have the materials for it

[flat helm]

I’d hold off for now

the team works just fine with lingling

and you wont need ardella yet

[round kettle]

Okay

[round kettle]

I just got my first 300 ifrit pieces from guild shop

Which ifrit should I go for?

The only one I have currently is vero

[noble sequoia]

the ifrits you get from guild shop is given at random

after you spent enough ifrit pieces to summon 5 random ifrits, you are given 1 extra ifrit of your choosing (from fire, water, wind)

the light version is only obtainable via ancient coins

all ifrits you summoned afterwards will be used as dupes for skillups

[round kettle]

So it doesn’t matter which I get?

Also this rune, is it bad since it has no hp%/def%

Or rather it’s hp is innate and also no speed

[hazy sigil]

i would still just sell this

i mean maybe yoy can still roll it for fatushen

depends on how badly it rolls

[round kettle]

Yeah I rolled one more and it flopped

Btw what’s a decent arena defense I can use with the pve mons up to sfah/rift

Just to try to hold like fighter 1 or something for the rewards

[hazy sigil]

you actually want to do 1 monster defs to keep your ranks low so you dont get matched with harder defs

the thought of arena defs shouldnt matter to you until you finish PvE and start runing up pvp monsters

[round kettle]

Ah ok I was just thinking for the crystals or whatever

[hazy sigil]

it's not a huge reward and you get it once a week

better to get hit so you can farm your revenges

more glory means more scrolls

[tiny cliff]

92549 ehp. Deffbroken: 44515 ehp.

[round kettle]

Is wind ifrit used anywhere in pve

[noble sequoia]

no

[round kettle]

Thanks

[round kettle]

Question about rift stats

Mav/fran need 15k total hp or base +15k?

[noble sequoia]

base + 15k hp

[round kettle]

Does it matter what I pick for the grindstones for the event?

Vio?

[noble sequoia]

yes, should be picking vio

[round kettle]

Cmb speed is just base * 1.15 right? That doesn’t include like buffs from monsters or like lead right

[noble sequoia]

base * 1.15 + runes

doesnt include lead since the same monster could be used in multiple contents where one uses spd lead while another doesnt

doesnt include buffs as well

[round kettle]

The beginner resource shows the lead as part of the calculation

I’m having a hard time getting all the stats for raoq

What can I sacrifice? Speed

Or accuracy

[noble sequoia]

its fine if raoq is slightly less than the cmb spd

show your raoq's stats

[round kettle]

I’m working on this currently

[noble sequoia]

farm better runes

prioritise attack and crit damage last

[round kettle]

Need to +15 the cd slot 4

[noble sequoia]

make sure the other stats meet the requirement first

you can even leave your cd at 130% for a start with 0 extra cd substat

prioritise crit rate, accuracy, and some tankiness

[round kettle]

Do u mean using cr for 4?

[noble sequoia]

no, use cd 4

[round kettle]

What do u mean by this

[noble sequoia]

but dont bother finding any runes with cd substats

[round kettle]

Oh okay

I got u

[noble sequoia]

cd slot 4 at +15 gives 80% CD

default CD for every monster is 50%

50% + 80% = 130%

[round kettle]

Yeah

I might have

Better runes but then I would have to derune my water twins

[noble sequoia]

aim for 100% cr, 35% acc, some tankiness to meet ehp, then some speed before focusing on more damage

why is your water twins runed at this point

[round kettle]

Well they are runed from like a year ago

When I stopped playing

Back the 2a raoq was not used

At least not at the point I was at

I took a long break lol

[noble sequoia]

prioritise runing raoq first, twins will be used in subsequent content, can keep farming gbah to improve your monsters

[round kettle]

Okay

Twins are used in rift though

Which is right after sfah right

Is sfah for artifacts?

[noble sequoia]

yes, rifts and raid

sfah is for your left artifact

[round kettle]

Will I be farming sfah a lot?

Like compared to gbah

[noble sequoia]

no

gbah is what you'll be farming most of the time, alongside sr5

[round kettle]

Got it

For now do I always keep hp artifacts on like raoq/kro/ling long

To help with the eHP reqs

[noble sequoia]

yes

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Is 156 speed to slow?

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Boss order for sfah?

[flat helm]

straight boss

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What’s HOh?

[noble sequoia]

hall of heroes

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What is that

Also, should I pull oh engraved for galleon skill ups? He’s on rn

[noble sequoia]

its a content where you clear stages to get pieces to get a 3/4* of that specific character

[round kettle]

Ohhh yeah we just had it for wind blade dancer right? That thing

[noble sequoia]

yes

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Ok thank

But yeah should I pull for galleon skil ups

In engraved summon

[noble sequoia]

do you already have a galleon in storage?

[round kettle]

Yes

[noble sequoia]

do you have both astar and lushen in storage as well?

[round kettle]

No astra but I have lushen

I also haven’t cashed in my nat 4 event

[noble sequoia]

if yes, you can go for galleon skillups, its even worth to devilmon him as well cause he's very important for gbah and pvp

ok

then honestly you can just go for galleons with engraved summoning stones

[round kettle]

I have a few pirates in my storage

Maybe 3?

[noble sequoia]

but dont skillup galleon with other galleons yet, just leave it in storage

eventually you will want multiple galleons when you start pvp, especially siege

[round kettle]

Oh damn lol

Galleon real important huh

[noble sequoia]

yes, priority is he needs skill 3 maxed when you first use galleon for gbah, followed by skill 1

skill 2 is useful for dealing extra damage but he's not as important as the other 2 skills

[round kettle]

Okay

But u said don’t use galleons for skill ups yet correct

So if I get dupes just hold for now

[noble sequoia]

yes

since you're not using galleon now, just keep the dupes in storage

[round kettle]

First pull 😂