my help thread

[queen rune]

There’s no one offense that’s good into all defenses

Lushen is good into plenty of defenses you’ll see especially at lower levels of arena

When you have more resources you can think about expanding your toolkit

But fat lushen is a strong comp and much more accessible than any other comp you might see referenced here or used

[north karma]

I understand that part otherwise it's like broken, but I don't have gin or water fairy king

[queen rune]

It’s not an accident it’s what we recommend to build first

[north karma]

I saw there are budget substitues but I assume the team gets weaker then so thats why I was asking if u are sure I should build it

If no Psama, use Gin. If you're really poor, use Susano Orion/Wayne Kona.

I have to use the if you're really poor part then

[queen rune]

Use what you have. There’s no magic button to get other mons besides the visa button

[north karma]

but I feel like I am realy weak if I use the realy poor units

[queen rune]

You are new. You are weak. That’s okay

[north karma]

Leo Christina: Leo Delphoi Galleon Christina

how about this team?

I got leo

[queen rune]

Do you have Christina

[north karma]

I think I do

who is he?

[queen rune]

/monster

[north karma]

Double snipe: Jamire Adriana Sonia +1 ignore def single target DD

can also make this one

[queen rune]

Do you have those units?

[north karma]

I have sona

[north karma]

I checekd I have christina

[queen rune]

Do you have 2 100res 85acc vio/will sets with good bulk? One also needs damage

[north karma]

uhh they are hard to build I assume?

[north karma]

is fat lushen easier to build?

[summer spade]

sokkermax

[Message Link](#1302084469875802224 message) to #1302084469875802224
But fat lushen is a strong comp and much more accessible than any other comp you might see referenced here or used

Req. by sokkermax. Quote from · Jan 18, 2025, 12:51 AM

[north karma]

ah, if I build fat lushen i do build his budget version tho

[north karma]

okay so i just read the skills of fat lushen basically lushen is the nuker kona/teon is filling atb + buff attk or revive kabilla fills up atb and psamnthe is there for the 33% speed lead?

also psmanthe job is to delay enemy atb?

but what if enemy has will set, does psmanthe aoe still work?

[north karma]

@lethal tartan so are u saying if I got tiana I should make the team? how abouit the dd is alicia even good?

[lethal tartan]

It depends on a lot of stuff

[north karma]

I posted my box here

[lethal tartan]

I don't think you should count on getting a Tiana anytime soon, it's like a 1 in ~200 chance to summon her on every nat5 lightning, and you only get a nat5 lightning like every 200 scrolls

[north karma]

ye I agree,

[lethal tartan]

You would have to wait for an event like the one where you get to pick and choose any nat5 in the game

[north karma]

when did that happen

[north karma]

and what arena offense can u recommend for now with lushen?

kona instead of water fairy king?

[lethal tartan]

read the ao guide it recommends a full team

[north karma]

I did

[lethal tartan]

Well then you would see that you can make Susano Konamiya Kabila Lushen

[lethal tartan]

It was during the tenth anniversary, if you were playing all during your whole year you should remember it

You get to pick any nat5 in the game that's not light or dark

[north karma]

but will it come again?

[lethal tartan]

To be honest I do not think so

That is fittingly, a once in a decade event

[north karma]

also do u know the build of this team?

[lethal tartan]

You build Kabila on your fastest set and speed tune Konamiya to your Kabila

Lushen as much cdmg and attack as possbile with no speed and 100% crit rate

[north karma]

if he get some speed is it bad?

or just useless

[lethal tartan]

useless

[north karma]

and build of susano?

he moves third?

[lethal tartan]

No your Lushen will move third because Konamiya will resurge him

[north karma]

oh

what is susano build

[lethal tartan]

Susano can be built like spd cr/cd attack he is not really that important anyway he is just there for speed lead and cleanup

[north karma]

no bulk/acc res?

[lethal tartan]

No I don't think so

[north karma]

allr, and does kabilla wants acc too?

[lethal tartan]

No

Only speed as fast as possible

[north karma]

and if u got extra stats bulk?

or does the opther stats not matter

[lethal tartan]

doesn't matter

just as fast as possible on Kabila

[summer spade]

diliskar

[Message Link](#1048719420870107227 message) to #1048719420870107227
My f2p beginner Lushen team

My recommendation for the most F2P friendly and economical fat lushen team is Susano, Orion, Kona, Lushen. Susano is fusable. Orion is not farmable but can be substituted with Wayne.

Why Susano? 30% spd lead is the best you can do without a nat 5 spd lead. 30% spd lead + Orion is comparable to 24% spd lead + Bernard. Susano is also water and has a nice passive making him excellent for cleaning up revived Psama + leftover fire units.

Why Orion? Since we are using Susano as the lead, we have to use a water booster, and Orion is just one of the highest base spd water boosters there is. Wayne (water bounty hunter) actually has a faster base speed than Orion, but Orion's kit makes him much more overall useful. On top of that, Orion is a top tier defense monster for siege, so it's an economical choice to invest good runes (i.e. your fastest swift set) on a monster that you can use for arena/siege offense as well as defense.

Orion simply gets your fastest swift set you can put together. Acc and tankiness are secondary stats to aim for, but it's not worth losing any speed for them.

Kona gets a secondary swift set, it doesn't have to be super fast. You can add a fight set here if you can manage it. Use a speed tuning calculator to find out how exactly how fast he needs to be. Mine is way over the necessary speed because I'm also using him as a sole atb booster for siege.

Will is important on Susano because you will be using this AO into a lot of Psama ADs, and Psama is often on despair and can stun you after Lushen kills him. Vamp is nice to be able to solo cleanup leftover mons without dying. I also build him 100 CR so I can guarantee finishing off a revived Psama with him. I even get -water artifact on him to help deal with that Psama death revenge. Beyond that, he just needs any sort of regular Spd/CD/Atk DD build. He does not need to be speed tuned to your Orion.

Both Orion and Kona can be 5* at first.

https://imgur.com/a/UkEbDsz

Req. by simmieeee. Quote from · Dec 3, 2022, 9:57 PM

[raven schooner]

go read this

[north karma]

about kona, he wants speed and otherstats?

[raven schooner]

everything you are asking is answered in #1048719420870107227

[north karma]

he doesn't use kabillo tho

is orion better?

[raven schooner]

no

kabilla is better

kabilla = orion

oh wair theres a susano

[north karma]

ahh

ye

dsont got psamanthe

[raven schooner]

use susano

[north karma]

wait do I really need to get another kona or instead of my speed gbah konda?

[raven schooner]

cant be the same one

it needs to be tuned to kabilla

[north karma]

I see

[lethal tartan]

Cloyster I am going to be honest with you: it seems the helpers and advisors don't want to help you and it's not their fault. I mean the following with no animosity and I hope you take this the right way.

Your comprehension skills are really lacking. I have noticed that people can tell you something and you will immediately forget it a few seconds later, leading to you asking the same questions over and over again. In addition, when you read guides, you do not absorb a majority of the information in the guides, maybe only a quarter or less of its total information, leading to them having to answer questions where you should already know the answer.

The best advisors in this server have little patience for such behavior, and you cannot get very far without help from them. I would suggest you take tangible notes on what people tell you and guides you read; make sure to read them multiple times as well, focusing on the information in the guide as you read, not just saying the words in your mind without thinking of what they really mean.

I don't want you to feel bad; I tell you this because I have respect for others, and I would want someone to tell me the same thing.

[raven schooner]

'The best advisors in this server have little patience for such behavior, and you cannot get very far without help from them. I would suggest you take tangible notes on guides and guides you read; make sure to read them multiple times as well, focusing on the information in the guide as you read, not just saying the words in your mind without thinking of what they really mean.'

-> I very much agree with this, take your time to read through the resources we have. When you have a question your first instinct should be to check if its already answered somewhere.

We do want to help you, but you have to put in the effort

[north karma]

I have a question I don't think it's being answered and I ahve thought about it. susano has 30% spd lead ONLY on water attributes kallibe is light

so bsaically by using kallibe instead of orion is even worse?

[north karma]

I will try my best

kabille moves first but the spd lead doesnt apply to him, why would we use kabille then? like this question is totaally legit right?

[raven schooner]

oh you are totally right yes, we don use susano in that cae

you either go susano + orion + kona

[north karma]

I didn't asked a bad qustion right?

[raven schooner]

or a general spd lead (one that doesnt only apply to a specific element) + kabilla

no its okay

and dont be scared to ask 'bad questions'

but make it a habit to consult the guide first

[north karma]

what cna u recommend replace orion for kabilla or replace susano for someone else?

[raven schooner]

what spd leads do you have?

[north karma]

I am trying

[raven schooner]

oh wow neph

I have used nephtys + kabilla + kona + lushen before

[north karma]

realy it worked?

[raven schooner]

rune nephtys similar to the susano in #1048719420870107227

[north karma]

well tbh it's kinda anti synergy as neph def breaks?

[raven schooner]

shes for cleanup afterwards

[north karma]

this was my susano runes

he is lvl 30 btw

can I just put this on neph?

[north karma]

ye I followed susano build here

[raven schooner]

im not too sure but its possible that susano/orion might be a bit better

for you

I think neph would mostly shine if you manage to tune her to go after lushen attacks. that way her silence can prevent the monsters who survive lushen from doing anything relevant

would tell you to try out neph/kabilla/kona/lushen for a bit and see if you like it/if it works

[north karma]

but neph build would be completely differentt from susano then no?

[raven schooner]

nope

[north karma]

he still wants vampire?

she*

[raven schooner]

can argue for dropping the vampire

[north karma]

okay but still want 100 crit and cdmg build?

[raven schooner]

you want her to be able to deal damage so yes

[north karma]

I see and about the will part?

[raven schooner]

thats still needed

[north karma]

btw what are u using now actually just curious

[raven schooner]

why do you think we need will on susano?

[north karma]

but he moves second now right?

[north karma]

but susano moves last

[raven schooner]

alright let me break it down for you

Kabilla moves first: boosts team
Kona moves: boosts lushen
lushen uses s3

you can tune neph to move right after this if you want

[north karma]

oohh mb I read before*

[raven schooner]

now this

[north karma]

well he neph moves last so keping the immunity after the combo is nice

[raven schooner]

yep and why do we need immunity?

[north karma]

against psamanth

[raven schooner]

exactly

[north karma]

okay wait wiat

I think this can work

but is this team stronger then the orion one

orion/susano

[north karma]

and also what set does neph now want still vampire?

violent?

[raven schooner]

they have different strenghts

neph kabilla allows you to race way better

since kabillas base spd is way higher

[north karma]

ye that seems logical

[raven schooner]

but susano is simply better to cleanup I think

[north karma]

it's just neph set I am confused about

[raven schooner]

treat it like a damage dealer that wants to be on the tankier side

a bit like you built susano. can lose the vamp imo

[north karma]

around 200 speed?

[raven schooner]

violent isnt really needed

[north karma]

200 speed 100 crit bulk and cdmg attk

[raven schooner]

ideally it would be nice to be tuned to go after your initial nuke from lushen

but im not sure you can manage that

[north karma]

like exactly after?

[raven schooner]

without being able to get cut yes

[north karma]

I am not too sure how to calc the speed of that

is it hard?

[raven schooner]

youre lucky, we have a guide AND a tool for it

[north karma]

is vampire btw still good for neph

or better to use another one?

[raven schooner]

tuning/atb is explained in #1048719420870107227 somewhere

and the tool to use is #1297919471205355550

[raven schooner]

not as good as it is on susano

[north karma]

what would u say is best set on neph instead?

swift?

[raven schooner]

i would just say whatever gives you good stats for cleanup

[north karma]

is violent not good?

[north karma]

wait how about despair?

or does enemy have will too

[raven schooner]

not a bad idea I guess, havent given it a thought before

but yes its likely that a proper arena defense will have will on (almost) everything

[north karma]

hmm I think swift maybe, that way I can get more dmg

violent is my other thought but it's not that great right?

[raven schooner]

doesnt do that much no

again: im not too sure about neph for this ao,
ive used it before and it performed well for me but other people might have different thoughts

[north karma]

I can always build it if it looks realy weak I will swap to the other one, but the fact that it worked for u must say it must be able to perform atleast somewhat

[north karma]

did u speed tune it back in the days?

[raven schooner]

I did yes

but its not needed at all

[north karma]

what set did u run bak in the days actually

on neph

[north karma]

are u running neph t iana now btw?

[raven schooner]

it was on a different account. I dont have neh atm

[raven schooner]

swift

[north karma]

how mcuh ehp does neph want actually? I would say 80k?

[raven schooner]

theres no treshhold

just get good stats on it

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Nephthys

#1 Will,Swift

SPD, CDmg, ATK%

HP: 18708
DEF: 1283
ATK: 2038
SPD: 189
CR: 102%
CD: 174%
ACC: 0%
RES: 48%
E.HP: 105335
Effcy: 94.44%

#2 Swift,Will

SPD, CDmg, ATK%

HP: 19111
DEF: 1190
ATK: 1966
SPD: 222
CR: 103%
CD: 157%
ACC: 0%
RES: 55%
E.HP: 101383
Effcy: 96.46%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

are any of these 2 good enough?

or which of these 2 is better?

it's without artefacts

[raven schooner]

hmm

would try the second one for now

[north karma]

the 94.44% has 5.5k dmg the other one 5k

[north karma]

gotcha

[north karma]

back i nthe days did u had like lot better or is it comparable?

[raven schooner]

you could say its similar

[north karma]

btw do u think i should sacrifice some ehp for more dmg?

or what ratio is off too less speed?

[raven schooner]

finish building the team first

test it out

and tweak stuff based on your experience

[north karma]

I have anotehr question didn't saw it in guide but was wondering, ingame statistics recommended violent on veromos is that bad?

[raven schooner]

should never look at ingame statistics

vio is good on vero, but if your current vero works for pve content, no need to change anything

we dont fix things that work

[north karma]

is it because when vio procs u can proc vero passive

[raven schooner]

yep

[north karma]

can I ask 1 more question trying to improve fran stats, is 45 acc good on her? she debuffs so I was thinking maybe I should add acc

[raven schooner]

45 acc is more than fine

?acc

[summer spade]

Accuracy Benchmarks

0% - Rift beasts
15% - Raids/Predator
25% -
35% - GBAH/NBAH/PCAH/SFAH/Dimensional Hole
40% - Labyrinth Hell bosses
45% - ToA Normal & Hard
55% - ToA Hell
65% - DBAH
85% - PVP Bomber/Debuffer

for detailed information type ?accuracy in #bot-commands or read https://redd.it/4hw8da

[raven schooner]

these are the caps for each content

[north karma]

ahh I see

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Fran

#1 Violent

SPD, HP%, HP%

HP: 34932
DEF: 1235
ATK: 1172
SPD: 207
CR: 21%
CD: 55%
ACC: 46%
RES: 36%
E.HP: 190816
Effcy: 99.56%

#2 Violent,Energy

SPD, HP%, DEF%

HP: 33514
DEF: 1323
ATK: 1011
SPD: 203
CR: 40%
CD: 76%
ACC: 45%
RES: 26%
E.HP: 193392
Effcy: 99.36%

#3 Violent,Energy

SPD, HP%, DEF%

HP: 33911
DEF: 1352
ATK: 1072
SPD: 200
CR: 34%
CD: 64%
ACC: 45%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 199125
Effcy: 93.24%

#4 Energy,Violent

SPD, HP%, DEF%

HP: 33820
DEF: 1283
ATK: 1025
SPD: 219
CR: 20%
CD: 50%
ACC: 57%
RES: 26%
E.HP: 190423
Effcy: 92.96%

#5 Violent

SPD, HP%, DEF%

HP: 31062
DEF: 1432
ATK: 897
SPD: 222
CR: 15%
CD: 50%
ACC: 45%
RES: 39%
E.HP: 191093
Effcy: 92.80%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

how do I know which the best one is?

?speed

there is no speed benchmark?

[raven schooner]

your pve teams work just fine, right?

no need to make changes then

[north karma]

ye it worked fine, but I couldn't auto all toah. they said if I rune it better I could

or atleast I had to manual alot so I am changing fran build since his older build was kinda bad

so I was wondering which is the best one here

[raven schooner]

build 5 is good enough

[north karma]

I thought build 5 was the worst here

low att low ehp

btw these build are withjout artefacts

can I know why build 5 isn't it better to choose build 3 and get 2 def artefacts?

[raven schooner]

honestly all 5 should be fine

shouldnt overthink this

[north karma]

allr

[north karma]

can I also ask about spectra, is more speed the better?

[raven schooner]

no need for more other than getting the turn order correct

[north karma]

but where does all the extra stats go?

[raven schooner]

ehp and crit dmg

after getting 100 cr and 45 acc

[north karma]

but too mcuh ehp is also bad no

like u dont want a 200k ehp spectra

[raven schooner]

youre overthinking it again

[north karma]

mb, I will just take 1

[north karma]

therei s no turn order in toah ho

tho*

[raven schooner]

?toa

[summer spade]

# Trial of Ascension (Normal & Hard) GUIDE

Additional commands
Floor 100 bosses (?toafemale and ?toamale )
?arta ?akroma ?ragleo

• First ToaN (normal) team will consists of the ?justdoit team which is Veromos, Fran, Shannon, Loren and Lapis

• ToaH (hard) will be a combination of Vero, Mav (wind penguin), Fran and 2 of these units below depending on floor

• 2aSpectra, Melia, Loren

• [Mav] - Violent-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, Def Artifacts (when 6☆), and 180 SPD, 45% Acc

• See ?riftstats for an idea of hp/def requirements

• [Fran] - Violent-Swift/Any SPD/DEF/HP, Def Artifacts, 200 SPD

• See ?riftstats for an idea of hp/def requirements

• [Mellia] - Despair-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, can stay 5☆, faster than mav

• [2aSpectra] - Swift/Any, SPD/CD/HP, 100% CR, HP/DEF artifacts, 45% acc, 120K+ EHP

• [Loren] - Swift/Any, SPD/DEF/HP, HP/Def Artifacts, 45% acc, 200 SPD

• [Veromos and Shannon] are runed as they are for ?gbah

Additional Info

• If you are not sure of what a monster does, don't be afraid to read the monsters skills or ask for clarification on what they do. This is the time you learn what monsters do.
• Will start to be able to auto more floors as your monster runes improve otherwise manual the floors
• Mellia is the only monster who doesnt need skill ups, the others see ?qstart and ?devilmon . (Used in Anti-Crit stages against Jultan/Kumae and Arta)
• Support mon ideally have no more than 20% CR for anti-crit stages.
• 45% Accuracy is recommended for every support unit that have debuffs.
• Turn order will vary but in a nutshell the slowest mon on the team should be mav (being 180 spd) and everyone else moving before he does.

[raven schooner]

oh well

mav slowest

rest isnt really important

[snow tendon]

Here is your build.

Spectra (2A)

#1 Blade,Blade,Energy

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 29212
DEF: 1135
ATK: 1103
SPD: 220
CR: 100%
CD: 181%
ACC: 46%
RES: 27%
E.HP: 149346
Effcy: 98.39%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

is this good enough or more speed?

[raven schooner]

thats more than fine

[north karma]

but should I trade in some ehp for speed?

or more cd actually?

[raven schooner]

no, dont bother changing this build

its more than good enough

[north karma]

no but he alr got runes stripped because of my other units wanted his runes so I have make a build now

[raven schooner]

in that case, this build is good

[north karma]

do I put hp artefacts?

[raven schooner]

sure

[north karma]

attk is not working on spectra right

well actually it should work, but it didn't got recommended to build atk

[raven schooner]

yeah no you dont need attack

[north karma]

why actually?

dont he get more dmg tthen

[snow tendon]

Spectra (Fire Griffon)

Wikia

2. Special Assault

Inflicts damage proportional to the enemy's MAX HP. Consumes 10% of your HP. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

3.5*{ATK} + 0.18*{Target MAX HP}

Neg. Effects

Self-Harm (10%)

provided by SWARFARM

[raven schooner]

mostly scales off of enemy max hp

attack increases the dmg, but not by a lot

[north karma]

ah

[snow tendon]

Here is your build.

Spectra (2A)

#1 Blade,Blade,Energy

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 25637
DEF: 1351
ATK: 1215
SPD: 214
CR: 104%
CD: 189%
ACC: 46%
RES: 21%
E.HP: 150450
Effcy: 101.05%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

I decided on tthis build

is tihs bettter?

[raven schooner]

a lot of unneeded attack but its fine

you really dont need good runes

[north karma]

ah I try to get less att, how about the ehp is it too much?

[raven schooner]

dont worry about it

this build is more than fine

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Spectra (2A)

#1 Blade,Blade,Energy

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 26760
DEF: 1004
ATK: 1162
SPD: 215
CR: 105%
CD: 200%
ACC: 51%
RES: 19%
E.HP: 124541
Effcy: 96.12%

#2 Blade,Blade,Energy

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 27577
DEF: 955
ATK: 1050
SPD: 237
CR: 101%
CD: 183%
ACC: 51%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 123613
Effcy: 93.38%

#3 Blade,Energy (Current)

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 25526
DEF: 1088
ATK: 1044
SPD: 207
CR: 71%
CD: 162%
ACC: 45%
RES: 23%
E.HP: 126302
Effcy: 96.49%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

is ths better?

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Spectra (2A)

#1 Blade,Blade,Energy

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 26760
DEF: 1004
ATK: 1162
SPD: 215
CR: 105%
CD: 200%
ACC: 51%
RES: 19%
E.HP: 124541
Effcy: 96.12%

#2 Blade,Blade,Energy

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 27577
DEF: 955
ATK: 1050
SPD: 237
CR: 101%
CD: 183%
ACC: 51%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 123613
Effcy: 93.38%

#3 Blade,Energy (Current)

SPD, CDmg, HP%

HP: 25526
DEF: 1088
ATK: 1044
SPD: 207
CR: 71%
CD: 162%
ACC: 45%
RES: 23%
E.HP: 126302
Effcy: 96.49%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

wait

huh

why is it not copying

[raven schooner]

cloyster dont bother changing anything

the first build you sent was more than good enough

[north karma]

ye I did it, I am now doing my other champions

[north karma]

do u know if it's possible to use vigor for pve and pvp?

I think it was ussable in siege

[raven schooner]

dont bother changing the build until you make it for pvp

after that you can just use your pvp vigor in pve

[north karma]

what is pvp vigor build?

[raven schooner]

#1048719420870107227 , should just focus on your lushen for now

dont do too many things at the same time

[north karma]

thank you

[north karma]

ye, I will try to keep it a step at a time but I had to build vigor too to finish my toah team

[raven schooner]

can just keep loren in

dont worry about toa

[north karma]

oh I always used vigor I was told it was better

[raven schooner]

its fine but you shouldnt put your focus on it

just work on the lushen offense, nothing else

[north karma]

it looks like about 45k hp 1k def 230 speed

idk of the crit/cdmg/res/acc are intentional

[raven schooner]

thats fine

[north karma]

no this is the picture

[raven schooner]

oh

[north karma]

of the channel

u sent

is my message correct tho?

[raven schooner]

he likes some acc as he defbreaks, cr/res/cd/atk are irrelevant

[north karma]

30% is that enough?

[raven schooner]

sure

[north karma]

or is it 35%

I thought the mark was 35%

but he only has 31%

[raven schooner]

can aim for 35

[north karma]

gotcha

[north karma]

where does all the excess stats go do I go over 230 speed or just full all into hp?

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Vigor (2A)

#1 Violent,Will

HP%, HP%, HP%

HP: 46358
DEF: 861
ATK: 1107
SPD: 231
CR: 28%
CD: 66%
ACC: 47%
RES: 31%
E.HP: 192547
Effcy: 89.23%

#2 Violent,Will

SPD, HP%, HP%

HP: 41104
DEF: 1172
ATK: 1426
SPD: 232
CR: 15%
CD: 79%
ACC: 43%
RES: 48%
E.HP: 215467
Effcy: 105.78%

#3 Violent,Will

SPD, HP%, HP%

HP: 39102
DEF: 1011
ATK: 1064
SPD: 263
CR: 24%
CD: 62%
ACC: 37%
RES: 45%
E.HP: 182938
Effcy: 90.33%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

I got these 3 atm, + the 3k hp from artefacts

or I can get defense

any tips?

[raven schooner]

second build is very good

[north karma]

I add 2 hp artefacts?

I only got 44k hp tho and 232 speed

secnd build got too many waste atk no?

[raven schooner]

a lot of unneeded attack but the stats are great, take it and dont bother with it for now

go focus on lushen!!

[north karma]

will do, lushen team build is done tho. only need to make some fusion for his max skillups

[north karma]

btw is neph worth devilmons?

[raven schooner]

yes

[north karma]

why does mien got so much excess att and some excess res

is it bad?

[raven schooner]

its more than fine for now

ignore it and keep working on lushen

[north karma]

when a unit is lvl 1 does it get crit rate or only att/def/hp when he levels up?

[raven schooner]

only att/def/hp

[north karma]

I see

[north karma]

I thinkmiddle

actually they all have some flaws

[raven schooner]

yeah can take middle

its decent I guess

[north karma]

well it's not great tbh

[queen rune]

Take the slot 4

[north karma]

oh I just realised it has 15 speed

[queen rune]

It’s vio hp4 with innate and decent subs already

Guarantee it’s one of the best runes on your account

[north karma]

actually that is true

[north karma]

am I that weak

coudl've subbed flat att

[queen rune]

It’s a good rune

In a premium slot

[north karma]

I have another question why does galleon want cd

?acc

[summer spade]

Accuracy Benchmarks

0% - Rift beasts
15% - Raids/Predator
25% -
35% - GBAH/NBAH/PCAH/SFAH/Dimensional Hole
40% - Labyrinth Hell bosses
45% - ToA Normal & Hard
55% - ToA Hell
65% - DBAH
85% - PVP Bomber/Debuffer

for detailed information type ?accuracy in #bot-commands or read https://redd.it/4hw8da

[north karma]

and what is pvp galleon build actually?

[queen rune]

Why do you think

[north karma]

well he is 100 crit to deal dmg I think?

[queen rune]

Was that so hard

[north karma]

mb

[queen rune]

Speed tuned 85 acc bruiser

[north karma]

with bruiser u mean 140k ehp 100 crit and cd and att?

or more ehp?

[snow tendon]

Galleon (Water Pirate Captain)

Wikia

Base

HP: 11535 — DEF: 494
ATK: 714 — SPD: 108
CR: 15 — CD: 50
ACC: 0 — RES: 15

Info

Type: HP
Stars: 5
Devils: 12
Farmable: No

Awaken

From: Pirate Captain

Lead

Increase the Attack Speed of ally monsters in the Guild Battles by 24%

provided by SWARFARM

Galleon (Water Pirate Captain)

Wikia

1. Backspin Slash

Swiftly attacks an enemy and weakens its defense for 1 turn with a 75% chance.

Levels

Effect Rate +10%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Effect Rate +15%

Multiplier

3.7*{ATK}

2. Pirate's Strike

Deals a powerful attack to an enemy and absorbs 30% of its Attack Bar. (Reusable in 3 turns)

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

5.4*{ATK}

3. Time to Loot

Unleashes a battle cry that increases the Attack Power of all allies for 2 turns, and decreases the defense of the enemy for 2 turns with a 75% chance at the same time. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Effect Rate +10%
Effect Rate +15%
Cooltime Turn -1

provided by SWARFARM

[north karma]

?acc

[summer spade]

Accuracy Benchmarks

0% - Rift beasts
15% - Raids/Predator
25% -
35% - GBAH/NBAH/PCAH/SFAH/Dimensional Hole
40% - Labyrinth Hell bosses
45% - ToA Normal & Hard
55% - ToA Hell
65% - DBAH
85% - PVP Bomber/Debuffer

for detailed information type ?accuracy in #bot-commands or read https://redd.it/4hw8da

[north karma]

doe sraoq have pvp usages?

[raven schooner]

hes usable but theres way better options

[north karma]

so it's only pve?

[north karma]

basically after his speed and bulk and 35 acc he needs full dmg right?

[raven schooner]

yes just normal pve damage dealer with 35 acc

[north karma]

do u also know about astar? he is only pve right

[raven schooner]

yes

[north karma]

how much speed/ehp does he need?

I am thinking to use it for subjugation/nbah

idk what other places

[raven schooner]

?nbah

astar stats are there

[north karma]

?nbah

[summer spade]

Necro Abyss Hard

• Best team: Abigail(L) > 2aIcaru > 2aRaoq > Astar > 2aShamann (average 1 minute)

• Other teams: Fran + 2aIcaru + 2aRaoq + 2 damage dealers

• Leader skill: Abigail/Shamann (ATT%)

• Conditions

• Boss focus: Midboss, Imprisoned Soul > Boss

• Boss applies a 3 hit shield to the taken monster

• Combat Speed is capped and Attack Bar Manipulation skills do NOT work at the boss wave

• Requirements

• Supports: (Fran/2aIcaru/Abigail) 100K+ EHP, 35% acc faster than 169 cmb spd

• Damage Dealers:100k EHP, damage dealers 100% CR, faster than 169 cmb spd, 35% acc if they have debuffs (slow, att/def break)

• Vio is ideal but not needed, Ideal mon to try to get on Vio are Fran and Abigail first

• Astar does NOT need vamp

• Astar and 2aShamann dont have a min cmb spd requirement

• 2aIcaru needs 3301 def to bring 3 monsters for team up and 35 acc

• Yes, you can awaken your Abigail

• Commonly used monsters: from best to worst

• Premium monsters: Abigail > Scarlett (unawakened), Astar

• F2p monsters: 2aShamann, 2aSeren, Lingling

• Make sure to go to the NBAH section in the Beginner Playthrough located in #1048681073502068917 before asking for help in #1047269577614164098

[north karma]

so 35 acc 169 speed and 100k ehp?

he has a silence

actually I don't think he needs acc

[raven schooner]

no acc

silence doesnt matter

[north karma]

why is vampire mentioned

is vampire good on astar?

[raven schooner]

for nbah yes

[north karma]

how am I ever gonna reach 3301 def

I only can reach 3200

[raven schooner]

total def

so after summoner skill

[north karma]

I got 3020 with artefacts + runes

since I also gotta reach 169 speed + 35 aacc

[north karma]

but the nbah uses abigail leader not defense up

[raven schooner]

?summonerskills

[summer spade]

• Summoner Skills: Max each line evenly then move to the next, starts at player level 21
• Other -> Max Energy Storage/Energy Recharging Speed
• Battle-> Speed, Critical Damage (CD), ATT, Def, HP
• Battle -> Elemental Attack power except Light
• Guild -> All skills
• Battle -> Light Attack power
• Other -> Max leftover skills

[raven schooner]

these

[north karma]

oh but I think swop includes it alr

3301 is realy hard to get tho

[raven schooner]

not really, just go def%/def%/def%
get good def% subs on slot 3/5

and get acc/spd on s1

[north karma]

oh wait I have an idea

I need to sub more flat defense

[north karma]

only guard sets no?

[raven schooner]

it helps yes

[north karma]

but without it it's almost impossible

unless u got quad rolls def%

[candid drift]

It isn't that hard

[north karma]

wait I almost got it

okay I got 3243 atm

[north karma]

after u got the defense where do I dump rest of the stats

into speed or hp?

or more acc?

[candid drift]

Step 1: get enough defense

[north karma]

ye after that?

169 speed and 100k ehp is also done and the 35 acc

what comes after?

[summer spade]

scarlet_roses

[Message Link](#1302084469875802224 message) to #1302084469875802224
Step 1: get enough defense

Req. by scarlet_roses. Quote from · Jan 18, 2025, 4:28 PM

[north karma]

no I mean like I got the 3301

do I go for 220 speed now?

or do I get like more acc

or should I get more hp to spread the hp/def balance

can icaru be used in pvp?

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Icaru (2A)

#1 Guard

DEF%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 22812
DEF: 3110
ATK: 827
SPD: 186
CR: 15%
CD: 62%
ACC: 39%
RES: 37%
E.HP: 274314
Effcy: 92.07%

#2 Guard,Guard

DEF%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 23998
DEF: 3114
ATK: 880
SPD: 181
CR: 20%
CD: 62%
ACC: 52%
RES: 48%
E.HP: 288911
Effcy: 95.37%

#3 Guard,Guard

DEF%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 23602
DEF: 3114
ATK: 969
SPD: 177
CR: 15%
CD: 62%
ACC: 42%
RES: 73%
E.HP: 284144
Effcy: 98.85%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

• artefacts I got 3301

what is best here?

@raven schooner can u help me again/

[raven schooner]

I dont like how youre using swop for everything

• you should be able to figure this out yourself

[north karma]

mb should I stop using it?

[north karma]

also can u give me a little hint the way I think is. getting more acc can help with other content but idk if he is being used in pvp that's w hy I wanted tot ask is he useable in pvp

I think higher speed is def good

maybe more hp can help too to divide the hp/def ratio. but he is alr quite tanky.

[raven schooner]

literally every stat is irrelevant except for the needed def/spd/acc

this monster is not hard to rune

[north karma]

so he is not needed for pvp?

[raven schooner]

no

[north karma]

and other pve content?

wait he is used in subjugation right? what acc u need there

[raven schooner]

just the build in ?nbah

for everything

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Icaru (2A)

#1 Swift,Guard

DEF%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 20933
DEF: 3118
ATK: 995
SPD: 215
CR: 20%
CD: 67%
ACC: 36%
RES: 25%
E.HP: 252305
Effcy: 92.60%

#2 Guard

DEF%, DEF%, DEF%

HP: 20241
DEF: 3102
ATK: 1008
SPD: 197
CR: 20%
CD: 56%
ACC: 48%
RES: 37%
E.HP: 242831
Effcy: 96.22%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

I will take build 2

how can I actually make the AI always resurge my lushen

[raven schooner]

you should not be autoing arena

[north karma]

I just attacked an amduat with the lushen comp

it failed because he stunned my kona

is that normal?

[fervent salmon]

amduat can cut in

[raven schooner]

read amduats passive

[north karma]

sorry if it's a bad question I usually always fight the arena bot because I didnt had an arena team so I didnt realy knew many units.

[north karma]

I was planning to put will on my water twins is that smart?

[raven schooner]

doesnt do anything for pve

again, dont go around adjusting random monsters

focus on one thing at a time

[north karma]

my arena team is done tho

[north karma]

btw when am I gonna start using despair, not a swingel unit of my box uses despair. I thought they said it is good.

[raven schooner]

you’ll know when you need it

follow #1048719420870107227 carefully

[north karma]

any idea if I am ready for toa hell?

[raven schooner]

probably not

[north karma]

I failed against this team

that camilla did 1v3

how I fix it

[raven schooner]

well lets start with the most important thing

level your units

[north karma]

huh

o

I see

[raven schooner]

other than that I think its possible for camilla to solo here yeah

[north karma]

but my team should be able to handle this team right

[north karma]

so many people run camilla

[raven schooner]

holy shit

curse

[north karma]

what u mean

[raven schooner]

nothing he is a moderator here lol

[north karma]

oh why cant I beat his team

[raven schooner]

uhm well camilla is very common on defense

[north karma]

but so many run camilla psmanth

[raven schooner]

its normal to have to skip defenses

[north karma]

should I run camilla too?

[raven schooner]

lets focus on offense for now

[north karma]

but my defense is waek now no?

[raven schooner]

defense is not important for lower ranks

[north karma]

everybody beats me

[raven schooner]

put something together following ?ad

knowing your box, throw in nephtys giselle camilla and a stripper

and you are chilling forever

[north karma]

but klo recommended a giselle triton veromos vanessa

he said vero is better here then camilla

[raven schooner]

do you have triton?

its nothing you should worry about until later

the most important thing on arena defense is to scare them away

neph + giselle does that already

[north karma]

I saw this in ?ad why is curse not following the guide actually?

[north karma]

ye

[north karma]

but isn't neph bad on defense?

[raven schooner]

why would it be bad

vanessa is better but I didnt see that in your box

[north karma]

he is actually

[raven schooner]

my point is, you can just put lvl40 unruned monsters in your defense for now

you should focus on offense

[north karma]

I see, but I do gotta say I wont win many matches then

[raven schooner]

you can put vanessa veromos giselle triton if you have that

[north karma]

vero better then camilla?

[raven schooner]

main point of defense is to scare people away

[north karma]

not to win?

[raven schooner]

thats secondary

you should be trying out your arena offense a bit

[north karma]

oh prevention is better then cure

[raven schooner]

learning what to hit, what to skip

[north karma]

ye the camilla is kinda annoying

even though lushen is wind

[raven schooner]

if you keep losing to camilla, its a sign you should skip it

[north karma]

is this tier list true

should I upgrade sonia

[raven schooner]

tier lists are extremely stupid for this game

would recommend you to not take any advice outside of this server to keep things simpler

[north karma]

I see, so dont upgrade sonia?

[raven schooner]

not yet.

we dont build monsters randomly

with no purpose

[north karma]

sonia doesn't have purposes?

[raven schooner]

well do you know what to do with it?

or how to build it?

[north karma]

not really

[north karma]

I have another question do I got siege teams

I am losing so much

and how do I know who to hit in siege

[raven schooner]

time to reread #1048719420870107227 !

[north karma]

btw do I have to make a dupe lushen for pve?

[raven schooner]

if you want to build a team with lushen yes

but I wouldnt do that yet

focus on one thing at a time

right now: arena

[north karma]

what about wgw and siege

and rta

I am losing in those sections aswell

[raven schooner]

lets take it slow

[summer spade]

simmieeee

[Message Link](#1302084469875802224 message) to #1302084469875802224
focus on one thing at a time

Req. by sokkermax. Quote from · Jan 19, 2025, 7:02 PM

[north karma]

I know but I am losing like everywhere pvpwise

[queen rune]

Because you have no runes and you’re trying to build every single unit in the game

You need to listen to the advice people are giving you

Or stop asking for advice

[north karma]

I am trying to

[queen rune]

Because what you are doing right now is incredibly disrespectful of other people’s time and effort

[north karma]

I understand I will get my arena team to work then, but he said to level the units

I did do it tho

[north karma]

here I did this part already

[raven schooner]

great, now you can actually figure out what to hit and what not

[north karma]

so comp like these are not hittable or hittable?

[raven schooner]

not sure but think lushening byung is never a good idea

[queen rune]

I gave you that same advice 2 days ago. This is what I’m talking about. You’re bouncing off the walls doing 50 different things really poorly instead of slowing down, learning, and doing one thing well

[north karma]

so search for a different team?

[queen rune]

Go read beginner PvP again

The come back and answer your own question

[north karma]

I think I did listen to advice tho

[raven schooner]

if you are unsure about hitting something, just hit it and figure out if it was a good idea or not

so you can learn for the future

[queen rune]

That assumes cloyster is actually taking in information to use in the future. Doesn’t seem like that’s possible from this thread so far

[north karma]

I will try to take info better

[north karma]

can I ask a question about pcah, its not written in the guide and I ahve read it all.

[fervent salmon]

whats the question

[north karma]

what set does fuco want

like it only states the stats he wants

[fervent salmon]

any set that gives him the required stats

just like any other pve monster you have runed

[north karma]

thats it? does certain set help him tho?

[fervent salmon]

no

[north karma]

so just the set that gives him the stats where does the excess stats go

into dmg?

[hard cipher]

this question reeks as if your just still in the early stages of #guides

[fervent salmon]

yes, he's a damage dealer after all

[north karma]

no I am realy not

I promise

I can show u my sr5 team

[hard cipher]

then prove it otherwise

[north karma]

how do I need to show my arena rank?

[hard cipher]

no show the intellect of where yr at in the game

[north karma]

got it I will ask smarter questions

[hard cipher]

u keep asking question after question of things that should already be known to you at this point in time

[north karma]

no but the set was realy not stated

[hard cipher]

it doesnt need to be

because since day 1, its what 6 runes give you the stats that are needed

its something i expect someone building team 2 or 3 or just starting sfah or rift beasts to ask

not someone who's "finished" section 2 of #guides

[north karma]

I see, I will start asking pvp questions from now on

[hard cipher]

thats not what i said

you have a problem with comprehending information and retaining it

work on that

[north karma]

my bad, I will pay attention to it

[north karma]

but can I ask 1 more pve question which I was wondering and was not stated in the guide

when I asked about the build of eirgar people said they build him on fight, but it was nowhere in teh guide

[hard cipher]

then i guess its not a neccessary thing to put him on fight

[north karma]

but will it help to put him on fight or just all the excess stats onto dmg?

I feel like in the guide there could be saying smth like if u reach all these stats do this to upgrade it

[hard cipher]

do you lose stats putting him on fight over having him on 2 different runes

do you gain enough dmg to offset the dmg lose on eirgar if there is any

do you even have the fight runes to think about adding them onto eirgar

all questions only u can answer

[north karma]

well putting him on triple fight definitly loses stats, but it differs from person to person how much u lose, so I have to ddecide myself?

[summer spade]

aceatall

[Message Link](#1302084469875802224 message) to #1302084469875802224
all questions only u can answer

Req. by aceatall. Quote from · Jan 19, 2025, 10:31 PM

[north karma]

but u then have to calculate the dmg u get from triple fight on ur team, over the dmg u arae losing right?

[hard cipher]

and how do u think your going to get 6 fight runes that give you close the requirements for eirgar...

[north karma]

well the requirements are not that high

right

[hard cipher]

ill let you think about that

[north karma]

SPD/CD/(HP-ATT), 135k EHP, 200 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc

[hard cipher]

especially for a dungeon you dont farm

[north karma]

/swopbuilds id:678d7fab59ee30eb0f549e9c

the thing is bugged

[snow tendon]

Here is your build.

Eirgar

#1 Fight,Fight,Fight

SPD, CRate, HP%

HP: 27362
DEF: 1084
ATK: 1670
SPD: 201
CR: 101%
CD: 85%
ACC: 43%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 135004
Effcy: 91.91%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

it is reachable but it cost alot of stats

[hard cipher]

didnt say it wasnt

[north karma]

so like it is not worth the sacrifice for stats if u lose alot of stats?

[hard cipher]

well try it out and see

[north karma]

/swopbuilds id:678d807559ee30eb0f549ea0

why is it keep being bugged

[snow tendon]

Here are your builds.

Eirgar

#1 Blade,Swift

DEF%, CDmg, HP%

HP: 23453
DEF: 1371
ATK: 1236
SPD: 200
CR: 104%
CD: 183%
ACC: 37%
RES: 19%
E.HP: 139275
Effcy: 94.98%

#2 Fatal,Energy

SPD, CRate, HP%

HP: 29239
DEF: 1109
ATK: 1678
SPD: 202
CR: 107%
CD: 108%
ACC: 35%
RES: 23%
E.HP: 146823
Effcy: 97.67%

provided by SWOP

[north karma]

oh it worked

so like

I do lose some dmg

do u think its worth it?

[hard cipher]

i mean both those are pretty weak builds to start with

[north karma]

ye wait I have to find a better one

but its without artefacts

would this be better?

and with the build how do I decide now if I choose fight or normal build

[north karma]

for abigail in nbah, what does he need besides 100K+ EHP, 35% acc faster than 169 cmb spd. dump rest into dmg?

[candid drift]

yep, rest can go into damage

[north karma]

I assume 169 is kinda slow 200 speed is better right?

he needs to move first

[fervent salmon]

yes abigail should be fastest in team

[north karma]

@raven schooner can u help me with another question

does anyone know is it better to join high rank guild but u lose alot, or join a lower guild u win alot. Which is better reward wise

[raven schooner]

join a g1 guild

[north karma]

how does setting up defenses work

why dfo I have to set up so many defenses

[queen rune]

^ and then take the time to learn and build new things to use in siege

For wgb you set up 5 defenses. They get their own runes so you can build them however you want

[north karma]

and siege

[queen rune]

For siege you can build 0-10 defenses, but these monsters don’t get separate runes

Read beginner PvP for our advice on how to approach siege defense

[north karma]

wait what does this also hold for offense

[queen rune]

No

[north karma]

btw are the suuport mons any good or is it better to use my own ones

[queen rune]

Compare them to how your mons are runed

Any good is relative to your runes, your knowledge, and the level your guild plays at

[north karma]

I have another question how do some people got so many ld5

While I barely have ld5

[raven schooner]

its luck

[north karma]

but the youtubers have like 10+ ld5

but ld5 was only needed for pvp right?

[fervent salmon]

youtubers have spent lots of money

and

?nat5

[summer spade]

No non-fusable nat 5 monsters should be used during your progression through PvE. Building nat 5s will slow down your progress, as they are generally not useful in PvE. They excel more in PvP; stick to the guides for PvE.

For more information, see ?nat5explained in ⁠bot-commands.

[north karma]

but my guild l eader said I had to use more nat5 instead of pve monsters in the siege battles is that true?

[raven schooner]

your guild leader is most likely stupid

if you want to start progressing in siege, go read #1048719420870107227

theres plenty of good nat4s, 2as, nat3s for siege

[queen rune]

Simi is right. But nothing your guild leader said is inconsistent with the ?nat5 command. When you are at the point of starting PvP, you should have completed pve and you are now able to build mons specifically for PvP. Some of those can be the nat5s that you tucked away while you worked through pve

[north karma]

but when I start doing pvp, I assume I give the better runes to the pvp monsters is it possible to not build certain pve monsters recommended in teh beginner guide instead use pvp monsters?

[queen rune]

Not really. That’s why you need to farm a lot to prepare for PvP. You can use a siege Julie in giants and a fast lushen in sf, for example, but for the most part it’s two entirely separate sets of monsters used

Don’t look for shortcuts. Get through pve, farm a lot, then work on PvP

[north karma]

also about the score in rift beasts does it matter what score I get? only thing thatmatters is SSS and time right?

[raven schooner]

yes

all SSS runs give same drop rates

no matter what score

[north karma]

for world boss do u juist auto assign?

or manual

[raven schooner]

auto

[north karma]

but then u use all ur best units for first fight

u still get sss 3 times?

[raven schooner]

I do, if you dont it is what it is

nothing to worry about

it comes naturally

[north karma]

I feel weak now

[north karma]

what do I focus on

[raven schooner]

vio s4 crit damage

others look fine to me

[north karma]

huh, whats wrong with that one

oh wait

it has res

[north karma]

okay so what is the priority now

[raven schooner]

looks fine, would just go for grinds/gems now

event ends soon

[north karma]

what grind gems do i go for?

legends only rightr?

[raven schooner]

vio/will/swift spd grinds is what I did

legend only

[north karma]

both gems and grinds?

[raven schooner]

no thats for grinds

for gems I went vio hp%/def%/atk% but you should just go for what you need

vio will always be preferred

[north karma]

and after what rune do I focus

vio(6) seems kinda bad right?

[raven schooner]

would prefer res/acc/cr on it over cd but the innate is very nice

[north karma]

ye I thought taht too

[raven schooner]

given the amount of time left on the event I would just leave it

[north karma]

but what rune is like the worst here of the 4

[north karma]

I just realised I already did the gems/grinds

I have to do the runes now

[north karma]

do u know what rune I should focus next

[raven schooner]

whatever looks the worst

[north karma]

I feel like vio(2) is fine

the rest c ould be better

[north karma]

what do u think of vio(6)

[raven schooner]

vio 2 is great

swift 6 is good, could have innate but id just take it like this
vio 6 can still be better

but the acc innate is very nice

you should be happy if these 4 runes are your final result

[north karma]

but I feel like swift6 is missing innate vio6 has a bad 4th sub vio 2 kinda low subs and vio 4 no innate aswell

and there is only so much I can improve

what d o I do?

[raven schooner]

theyre not perfect

but theyre good

would prioritize the rune you think you will need most

[north karma]

uhm

I think vio 6 can be imrpoved

but at the same time

it's already a great reapp candidate tbh

[north karma]

swift(6) is prob least important one but still needs improvement

[raven schooner]

exactly, good reasoning

vio (2) can have higher rollls but for you this rune is almost impossibe to become unusable

[north karma]

so its iether vio(4) or swift(6)

swift(6) is kinda bad tbh, it also has def% instead of hp%

but vio 4 has no innate

[north karma]

I feel like improve swift(6) then vio(4)?

[raven schooner]

sure

[north karma]

would u do the same?

[raven schooner]

pretty much yes

[north karma]

after that I improve vio(6)

and then vio(2)

[raven schooner]

you dont have that much time left

[north karma]

oj

oh*

[raven schooner]

remember, all of these runes are good enough to take imo

[north karma]

they all have flaws tho

[wintry trout]

?reapp

[summer spade]

Reappraisal Stones
Only reapp 6 star, legend original quality runes. Slot 2/4/6 should be prioritized over 1/3/5.
Hard priority on desirable base (ATK%, HP%, SPD, CDMG, for example) slot 2/4/6 Violent runes with innate stats. Do not reapp runes with innate SPD, ATK%, HP%, or DEF%.

Other runes are worth reapping as well. Will, Swift, Destroy, Despair, Rage and Blade are all worth considering if you know what you are looking for.

Your goal when reapping should not be to get the perfect rune. Instead, aim for a rune that is good and usable. If you are unsure if you should continue to reapp, feel free to ask for opinions in #1047269577614164098.

Ancient Reappraisal Stones
The same ideas described above apply, however, violent ancient runes do not exist, so you will want to look at some of the other rune types described above to consider reapping.
Since desirable legend quality runes with innates are much rarer, you may wish to consider reapping more legend quality runes without an innate than you would for normal runes.

[wintry trout]

Read the third paragraph

[north karma]

@raven schooner I saw an verde sonia miriam lushen sieq team for sfah. it was crazy fast can I build it?

I got all the units

[raven schooner]

sounds inconsistent so no

if u want to we cant help u here

consult the person with the team

[north karma]

I wont do it then

[north karma]

also I found a better 2a inugami team

atm it works quite well

should I keep using it

[north karma]

do u know if doing certtain labyrinth stages give more rewrads?

[raven schooner]

bosses give more, higher difficulty gives more

[north karma]

I see do igot a boss team?

[raven schooner]

check threads in #update-theorycrafting

for lab teams

[north karma]

is it high rune req?

[raven schooner]

no

dont build anything for it specifically

[north karma]

I dont even got these unjjits

[raven schooner]

read the text

[north karma]

what if I dont have kaki leveled

I got brandia/balegyr/spectra any of these fine?

[raven schooner]

where does it say kaki is needed

[north karma]

oh mb

I thought he used it

[north karma]

can u give antoehr example instead of darion mine is not 2a

[north karma]

btw which of these or verde should I choose?

[raven schooner]

you can figure this out yourself

it never says darion has to be 2a

[north karma]

oh I see, so just use darion?

[north karma]

so best is to do hell bosses after that does time limit stages give more or hell normal give more?

[north karma]

btw the team actually worked, it was quite easy

was it supposed to be easy?

[raven schooner]

yes

[north karma]

is it worth to use gems for arena rush hour?

I saw people doing it

[raven schooner]

yes most people do like 2 refreshes with gems

[north karma]

so 2 refreshes, is it worth for metoo?

also can u help me with thi rune

reapp or nah?

[raven schooner]

thats very usable

just keep

[raven schooner]

if you want to rush, yes

[north karma]

but it has good reapp inatte

[raven schooner]

so?

im gonna pull out the jx quote:

[north karma]

but is it worth to buy arena attacks too with gems?

[north karma]

wat are we talking about refresh list with gems or refresh arena attacks?

[raven schooner]

dont do that

[north karma]

the 1000 dolalar is definitly better because

with the 1000 dollar u can buy more lottery tckets

[raven schooner]

there u go

[north karma]

wait so what u mean what is worth to do?

in rush hour

[raven schooner]

you just

do your wings during rush hour

and buy more with gems when you run out

[north karma]

so it is worth it?

[north karma]

but are the rewads compensating for the gems used to buy more attacks?

[raven schooner]

would I tell you to do it if it wasnt?

[raven schooner]

thats not hard math to do

[north karma]

that is a great point I guess not

[north karma]

let me check the rewards real quick

[north karma]

okay so basically ending higher gives more ld scrolls and gems so depending if uc an climb its worth to do right?

[raven schooner]

yes

[north karma]

so for example if u are at g1 and can end at g3 if u buy more wings it gives u 100 extra gems + 20 ld fragments. so if u can buy 40 more tickets to do that it's worthi t

[north karma]

but what r ank should I end?

[raven schooner]

its just always worth it if you want to do rush.

[raven schooner]

how am I supposed to tell you

[north karma]

but I only got 1 offense team

and my defense is kinda weak

oh wait I did build the team u said at defnese

[raven schooner]

I still only have one offense

[north karma]

but the runes are not the greatest

[north karma]

can I copy ur offense team

[raven schooner]

stick with lushen for now

if you want to improve your offense, check ?ao

[north karma]

is one of the one listed, the one u are using?

[raven schooner]

yes, why is what im using relevant

everyone has different units and different runes

[north karma]

I shouldn't copy?

[raven schooner]

you should try out lushen before even thinking about a new offense

[north karma]

btw the rune crafting event I couldn't improve my runes it's so hard to get one better

[raven schooner]

just take them then

theyre fine

[north karma]

there is still half day left

[raven schooner]

then take them in half a day

[north karma]

but like my lushen team is lacking dmg I feel like

there are teams I cant 1 shot

say they got shield

my team is not stripping

[raven schooner]

then you improve your lushen offense

[north karma]

well I meant like even if u give lushen more dmg

say enemy got shield set

[raven schooner]

doesnt matter

[north karma]

it's possible to burst through?

[raven schooner]

youre either chosing bad targets or your lushen is just too weak

[north karma]

it's working against some teams

like for xample the teams that are also speed battling me

[raven schooner]

then you know what to hit

[north karma]

but definitly cant win all comps

[raven schooner]

and what not to hit

did anyone ever tell you an offense can hit every defense?

[north karma]

well the vanessa/water fairy king are mostly speed battles

[raven schooner]

its completely normal to only be able to hit 1-2 defenses per list

[north karma]

even if u are like insanely good?

[raven schooner]

are you?

[north karma]

not isnanely good tbh

[raven schooner]

then just worry about your lushen offense working

against the correct targets

[north karma]

@quartz radish the attack order is not mentioned

[quartz radish]

did you even read it

[north karma]

I fully read it.

[quartz radish]

maybe you read words but

sorry i can't help you if you have no reading comprehension

[north karma]

no please I am sorry, I will try it 1 more time

[quartz radish]

don't ping me please

[north karma]

can I add 1 more thing, I tried giselle + nickel and 3 useless units with fedora as leader

and it worked somehow

is this normal?

[raven schooner]

read it again until you know the answer to your question

[north karma]

I assume it's just normal auto?

so no attack order?

like I realy cant find where he says this is the attack order

so I assume just do auto?

[north karma]

am I correct?

[raven schooner]

if you know the answer you wont need confirmation

[north karma]

I didnt knew that was also a thing

usually people say attack L > R > boss or smth

or rage into will etc into boss

[north karma]

can I ask 1 more question I had no mana to upgrade a full team for this. So I tried a team to test how hard it is. I used nickel with like lower rune requirementsi then in picture and giselle and fedora as leader. and then 2 water unit vigor and lulu and friends and it worked. why did this work?

they didnt even have determination sets

[raven schooner]

ask questions with a purpose please

this is just

not important

[north karma]

okay mb, my question is can II keep using this team or should I make a specific team?

[raven schooner]

why fix something that works...

[north karma]

ye but it was not exactly the team recommended

also my nickel only had 180 crit dmg with the same defense

while he had 225

so should I keep the same team?

[raven schooner]

.

read the things I say

[north karma]

okay so that means as long as it works no need to change?

[raven schooner]

those are the exact words I said yes

[north karma]

can I ask 1 last question, Is giselle usable in any other lab stages. I feel like the invinicible is pretty strong as long there is no strip

[raven schooner]

use her where u think is good, lab isnt that hard

[north karma]

do u kjnow where the mosnter subjugation channel is

[lethal tartan]

Hey man, I wanted to offer a different form of help/advice. This is important and will help you in more than just this game.

Can you give me an honest evaluation of your capabilities as a learner? What do you think of yourself, in other words?

[north karma]

as in how what school study I do?

[lethal tartan]

Just in general friend

[north karma]

I feel like it's decent not the fastest tho

[north karma]

I assume u wont give me advice in summoners wars then?

[raven schooner]

donkey this wont help too much,
Im just gonna be honest with you @north karma, I think the official server would be a much better environment for you to be/learn.

[north karma]

there is barely any guides on that server

[lethal tartan]

Can't help but try, don't like to see things go down this way

[raven schooner]

Im not telling you to leave the server, I just think many of your questions will be answered better in the way you like it there

[north karma]

ye but like I think they are lower rank there no?

[raven schooner]

theres good players there too who are happy to help you

Im just saying I think you would enjoy the game/your time learning more there

in the end its all about enjoyment after all

[lethal tartan]

I think what you need isn't summoners war advice, it's more advice about life in general

[raven schooner]

no not really

just a different environment

[lethal tartan]

Do you think so?

Ok I'll trust in your judgment then, hopefully he can succeed elsewhere

[north karma]

does anyone know if the favorite unit there is good? any of the 2 list are any good?

also I pulled teshar from today engrave summon, I make teshgbah now right?

[north karma]

do u also know if I should keep summoning for zibala?

[north karma]

@raven schooner can u help me choose

[north karma]

even thoughj left got more chosen?

[unborn grail]

The answer

Is right therre

You want simis opinion to blindly follow

There it is

[north karma]

is that the correct thing to do

[fervent salmon]

neither of them are bad choices here

[north karma]

what would u choose

[fervent salmon]

u can just go with dom, like what simi recommended

[north karma]

do I also build him>

[raven schooner]

no just put in storage until you know what to do with him

[north karma]

do u know if leo is wortth devilling

[lethal tartan]

complete your book Cloyster

If you want to succeed in this game your book should look at least like mine or better

do not think of any monster until your book is done

Once your book is done you can do whatever you want sir

very simple task right? If you follow this task you will succeed

[north karma]

I think ours are almost the same

just dofnt got panmg

I use fuco

[lethal tartan]

can you show me your book?

[north karma]

ye sec

[lethal tartan]

cool cool thanks

[north karma]

what u think

[raven schooner]

what does book have to do with anything

[lethal tartan]

very nice actually

[north karma]

I am ready to join g3 guild now

[lethal tartan]

I thought he hadn't completed pve yet

[north karma]

right?

[raven schooner]

if that was the case I wouldnt be giving pvp advice

[north karma]

I am actually not that weak tbh

[lethal tartan]

how come he's getting ignored then

[raven schooner]

he needs to ask actual questions

and listen to what we say

to your question about leo, no

dont devil him

[lethal tartan]

That's fair, my fault

[north karma]

I guess my fault too

[north karma]

not even for speed limit in lab

I saw him in update theorycrafting

[lethal tartan]

Fam's guide right?

[raven schooner]

dont devil stuff for lab…

and Leo doesnt need devils for anything

[lethal tartan]

What are you working on right now Cloyster

focus one thing and ask about it, the people here will be more willing to answer and nicer

[north karma]

I think arena g3 in rush hour

to get more crystals

ld

[lethal tartan]

U can't do it friend sorry to say

[north karma]

but I had nice book

[lethal tartan]

g3 is a bit ambitious

[north karma]

g1 then?

[lethal tartan]

Yeah but everyone who gets g3 arena has had a good book for years longer than you and me

still very ambitious

[raven schooner]

okay lets take it easy

[north karma]

what do I aim now then

[raven schooner]

you want to improve arena?

[north karma]

like I gott aim atleast higher no?

[north karma]

I feel like arena /siege/wgw are good aims now right?

they all give good rewards

[lethal tartan]

pick one at a time Cloyster

[raven schooner]

well thats the whole game basically

[north karma]

maybe rta for the points too

[raven schooner]

what rank did u finish last rush

[north karma]

well there is pve too

[lethal tartan]

Simi, I recall Cloyster asking about Leo Christina in the general chat before

[lethal tartan]

he doesn't have a working offense atm iirc

people kept trolling him to build stupid shit

[raven schooner]

he does have lushen

[north karma]

I think tthe yellow 1 star

[raven schooner]

okay