TOAHELL help thread

[crystal pollen]

Guys i cant deal with wave 2 (kinki suiki) (floor 5 toahell)
Even if my veromos stuns them all when one of the suikis finally gets a turn his S2 will just oneshot 2 or 3 units (with full buffs no def breaks)
Immagine
My wind arpist doesnt apply the atk break that much because she gets a turn and her melody ends maybe thats one of the problems?
All units are built tank with vio +27k hp +700 def (or more)
Any suggestions?
They also have -water dmg artifacts
-21% on the vigor / -10% on vero - amelia - bolverk

[supple nymph]

@limpid horizon

I also recommend reading the monthly post pinned in #update-theorycrafting

https://www.reddit.com/r/summonerswar/comments/1g8soza/f2p_30_toa_hell_october_2024_were_so_fcked/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[tranquil meteor]

I mean, you could have tagged me

but yeah your team is just not good

replace vero with a buffer

[limpid horizon]

Who r u

[tranquil meteor]

your supposed successor who turn out to be an upgrade of you?

[tranquil meteor]

or just shorter you call me daddy, figure it out yrself

[limpid horizon]

There’re too many successors

Btw lemme ask mods to pin the guide into theorycraftng channel

[limpid horizon]

I controlled this stage instead of bolverk. Was easy ngl

[crystal pollen]

Didnt know i could

anyways ill try to control the stage (?)

[crystal pollen]

this team is the most consistent atm

last wave is just too hard tho

if someone resists one stun or pushback im just dead

i managed to kill the 2 veromoses

but then i just cant sustain the turn cycling

[supple nymph]

Do you have the req speed and acc on ur units?

[crystal pollen]

required speed?

i dont know honestly

i cared about speed tuning the units

btw you can see the speed

am i too slow?

accuracy:
vero S2 90%
spectra S3 60%
tyrone S3 77% S2 63%
tesarion 96%

i also tried this more control variation with full focus on boss

but still after 2-3 turn cycle one of the veromoses just cleans everything and its gg

all skills are maxed on both teams

(only spectras is not)

[hushed sorrel]

#update-theorycrafting

Toahell FAQs pinned there; stats requirements, comps/monsters and monthly update

[hushed sorrel]

Up

[crystal pollen]

ok thx

but what happens if i dont reach the floor speed limit?

that some of my units move later than the floors monsters?

for example if i have a total of 260spd of all my units and the floors speed is 265 i get outsped from every floors monster?

for example my spectra is total 261 speed but move before enemies

[hushed sorrel]

Are u factoring summoner tower speed + speed lead?

Combat speed = [(mon's base speed)×multiplier] + speed from runes

Multiplier: 1,15 + 0,lead
(U'll have 1,15 if summoners tower maxed for speed)

Tyron lead: 19% = 0,19

So, multipler: 1,15+0,19=1,34

Final formula (for those who use tyron lead and have maxed summoner tower) is:
[(mon's base speed)×1,34]+speed from runes

For spectra:
(126×1,34)+speed from runes

[crystal pollen]

oh

[hushed sorrel]

They recommend every mon above 286 speed
So u get turns faster

?ticks

?ticks

[rapid briar]

Speed - Ticks to reach 100% ATB

Combat speed 477 = 3 Ticks
Combat speed 358 = 4 Ticks
Combat speed 286 = 5 Ticks
Combat speed 239 = 6 Ticks
Combat speed 205 = 7 Ticks
Combat speed 179 = 8 Ticks

[crystal pollen]

its 261

btw its the same speed showed

in the prebattle screen

so i think i just have to read that?

[hushed sorrel]

Yeah
I forgot people have this "feature", my app doesnt have/support it, and i dont know why

Anyways is good to know the formula so u can calculate exaclty how much speed u need from runes

Or u can use swop to calcuate for you

[crystal pollen]

okkkk

so in my current state

having between 239 and 286 is bad because its like having 239

[hushed sorrel]

Yeah, anywhere between those numbers will only affect turn order

If enemy speed is 265, u should at least have 266 speed still, do u cast first and have a chance to cc

If u trying to beat first floor they say u can do it with toaH team

[crystal pollen]

im trying to beat floor 5

impossible task 😦

[hushed sorrel]

Did you finish #guides ?

[crystal pollen]

yes

[hushed sorrel]

Id work on getting ur mons to 286+ speed if possible
Turn order matters, btw

Do u have dark humun?

[crystal pollen]

those are the 2 setups

i tried

turn order is fixed

with both teams i reach with no problems the boss

[hushed sorrel]

Yeah, probably rune issue
286+ speed needed
Vio mitigates losses by rng
286+ swift > 239+ vio though

[hushed sorrel]

Are u using same strategy described on this link?

Provoke, if landed invul jeanne, of not invul tyron

[crystal pollen]

yes

same speed order

[hushed sorrel]

If same team, same speed order, same strat
Means its a rune issue

[crystal pollen]

😦

[hushed sorrel]

286 not hard to reach with swift sets

Farm more gbah and ull get it done

[crystal pollen]

yea i think ill try to swap

because its all violent atm

[hushed sorrel]

5f:
Jeanne>vero>tyron>woochi>darkhomie (turn order)

Waves
Jeanne provokes, invul tyron first, then alternate between tyron and vero (next to land cc)
Strip counterattack buff with darkhomie s2
Alternate atb pushback between s2 tyron and s3 woochi

Boss: focus one vero first (he will heal everythin if he gets a turn)
Provoke always, if provoke landed invul jeanne, if not invul tyron
Keep sides cced
Dont use woochi s2, just s3 when needed, s1 boss for atk/glancing debuff
Stripp every side enemy counterattack buff with darkhomie s2 (boss wil get turns so fast he will lose counterattack buff anyway), then just s3 and s1 vero (for atb pushback)
S2 vero when available, u can save s2 cd if u think mons will unfreeze/"unstun"
Focus on one vero, if other gets turn ok, just cc again and try to control, vamps not prio
All mons should die at the same time cause just s2 vero will do damage
Atb pushback alternates each rotation between s2 tyron, s3 woochi

All mons: 55acc, 286+ speed

Jeanne, Tyron, Veromos, woochi swift
Darkhomie on vio

If ur going for 1star, u dont need to strip counterattack buff

This the team i used/same strat described on link

Couldnt do it without woochi
Maybe 1star is doable changin woochi for spectra

Best vio set on dhomie if 286 speed reachable

[tranquil meteor]

you need dark homie in any toa hell team

without her cooldown take forever to recharge

follow the exact team I propose and consider voice chat if you still struggle

[crystal pollen]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

just for disclaimer

i changed runes on tyron to make it more tanky (44khp) and switched him to Vio

he procked twice so i had double reset and went straight for the boss

❤️

that was my final team speeds

time to get floor 6 now O.O

[crystal pollen]

CC(?) team: Vero, Riley, Darion, String Master, Homie. Xxkilla used a second string instead of Darion but my team is actually safer and even autoable last wave.

for this floor what is the turn order?

vero -> riley -> darion -> string -> homie?

[limpid horizon]

Which stage is this? 6?

Just make them on a decent tanky set and auto

If u use 1 string. Light is bis

Else checkout xxkilla’s video for detailed runes

[tranquil meteor]

just the same with your usual toa hell stat

286 cmb spd, preferably vio, 55 acc on vero and homie, and riley if you can manage her too

for this stage make vero tankier, sth like spd/cr/hp

[crystal pollen]

ok thank you guys!

[hushed sorrel]

Str master better with low speed, +0 if possible
No vio too

Darion doesnt need speed for this floor aswell

Turn: vero, riley, dhomie, darion, str master

[crystal pollen]

actual situation:
i get def broken on darion that gets focused by all onimushas = DEATH

sometimes when the light skoguls move they use the aoe ability that stuns everyone = DEATH

that's the tankiest i can get (im using swop to rune stuff -> selected def/Hp main stats minimum 40khp 1200def)

i think one of the main problems is that my arpist melodie ends too soon

and i do not get consistent ATK breaks on onimusshas

so atm i cannot pass Phase 1 of the floor, i only killed 1 of the 3 onimushas

i also think that the dark homunculus isnt doing much this stage

he's playing to reset vero S2 and Riley S3 but thats it, maybe some other unit could get me more benefits?

[hushed sorrel]

they need 286 speed tick, this is the main issue... with that speed riley will cleanse more, vero will stun more, dhomie will refresh more

darion is fine, speed of str master is fine too

[hushed sorrel]

resets str master skill, vero s2, riley s3

the comp is designed by players that understand a lot about the game, other comps r not better, would require higher rune quality

are u going for 1 or 3 star the stage?

[crystal pollen]

3 star was the goal

but i think im not gonna be able to pull that off

i tried 2 stars and i managed to get to boss stagwe

but the things keep healing the boss

i played for like 15 minutes in manual mode

but they kept healing him

[hushed sorrel]

team should be able to auto boss stage

get to boss, auto, and take a nap

[crystal pollen]

yea i failed

😦

[tranquil meteor]

have you won?

which part did you struggle with?

[crystal pollen]

if i play 3 star i cant pass the onimushas phase

if i play 2 star (with buffs active) i get to the boss stage but the damage isnt there

[tranquil meteor]

manual the onimusha phase, that's why darion's here

and you better rune vero, homie and if possible riley too with sufficient stats