there is always a 15% chance to be debuffed
#dragunov help
signal folio
no
frosty elk
gotcha, better off spending it in lumel thne
ty!
y cant i damage this guy
i think i need to counter>?
jolly estuary
you need a monster that can ignore damage reduction effects, like carc
young mica
what are the Acc and spd reqirements for NB12
signal folio
what are the Acc and spd reqirements for NB12
this is not yr thread and #guides
frosty elk
do i take rage or blade here
both looks good but blade has no bad roll
but rage ig is a later game set
signal folio
can take blade for yr point in time
frosty elk
thx
frosty elk
when is the best time to leave guild btw
gonna look for a farming guild aiming to improve
frosty elk
so far my team is 98% clear, could i replace anyone for someone like a coco?
i was thinking loren
karmic owl
You need a real cleanse on team 2
frosty elk
rid riley put delphoi?
shes my only remaning fl cleanser lol
i just pulled fire monkey too
but idk who to remove for him
so far with the team above im getting 28/30
but i wanna make it faster/30/30
signal folio
riley out, delphoi in
only change u need to make
and of course delphoi's cleanse has to be maxed
from there its just runes
karmic owl
Yes, because your dds wouldn’t be debuffed
signal folio
well delphoi is a full cleanser, while riley is not
scarlet latchBOT
aceatall
signal folio
main bosses cant be oblivioned
frosty elk
what team do i take in here
frosty elk
what will the spd tune look like in this team?
nbah
dont have icaru built and i cant reach 3301 def
and idh abigail
karmic owl
Low g1 is very accessible, high g1 starts to look more competitive/competent
Something like 95% of active guilds are in g1 so there’s huge variation
But you should focus on finishing up #guides first
Can join a farming guild and get some low level experience in the meantime so you know how it works
karmic owl
what will the spd tune look like in this team?
Fran first, then Shaina, raoq, then water twins probably. Everything above 169 combat speed
karmic owl
You should have r5 built by this point, and with grinds you don’t even need any rolls into speed. As long as you have speed on all 6 runes with a +3 grind that’s like 50 speed right there, plus tower and you’re good
frosty elk
You should have r5 built by this point, and with grinds you don’t even need any ...
yup big thanks!
frosty elk
You should have r5 built by this point, and with grinds you don’t even need any ...
ah also brother
is it fine to leave my guild right now or do i wait for something?
is it also better to get kicked
karmic owl
When did you join? There’s a cooldown period but might not apply to new players. They’ve tweaked how it works so I don’t remember the specifics rn. But there are also end of season rewards which you would forfeit if you leave now. Depending when you joined you may not be eligible for them though
frosty elk
Fran first, then Shaina, raoq, then water twins probably. Everything above 169 c...
also in theory do you think this team would work? dont really wanna build shamann if i dont have to
karmic owl
He also used in toalll when you get there
full bane
i dont like twins in nbah because you have to build them with specific sets/stats which ruins them for other dungeons you farm with
nbah is tough and they need to be much tankier to deal with waves
frosty elk
i see thanks!
so whats the best team i could make rn in theory
if i dh abigail
or do i just not bother with nbah until abi comes home
karmic owl
Do you have other cannon girls?
karmic owl
Fire can work unawakened
frosty elk
what comp would that be?
frosty elk
i have astar
full bane
there you go
karmic owl
Even with grinds?
full bane
You can grind and gem in flat def
frosty elk
i only need him to be 2nd fastest
karmic owl
What are your highest def% slot 3 and 5?
full bane
And max out your slot 3
frosty elk
3301 def too
karmic owl
To start see if you can hit the def number
Figure out the rest of the stats from there
frosty elk
What are your highest def% slot 3 and 5?
got 22 and 20 ungrided
karmic owl
That’s fine use it
karmic owl
But now you know to look for decent s2 defs even if you don’t need many
frosty elk
yup!
karmic owl
Might need to gem speed instead. Wait on gem
frosty elk
i see ty, ill let swop figure it out
so basically all the 2as ill ever need as of now is just
raoq kro vigor lulu shamann icaru
pre much it?
karmic owl
Shouldn’t need swop for this build tbh. Pick your slot 2/4/6 def%s
Pick your best 3/5 with def% subs
Grind/gem to meet +2381 def
Then pick a slot 1 to meet the rest of the stats as best you can
frosty elk
got it big thanks
karmic owl
You need spectra 2a too
frosty elk
oh right i have him 2a
he kinda op ngl
same with vero the scaling on s2
is so fkin high
karmic owl
Might need lala cleanser for sr5 if that isn’t done
But otherwise yeah wait on 2as until you have a specific need for a PvP comp or some future speed pve team or something
frosty elk
yea i have lulu cleansing on sr5
only pve left for me now is basically srbah and nbah
frosty elk
hm u think so
i mean the sets kinda look iffy
i think only seal looks remotely usable pvp
karmic owl
Seal is super niche. Fight is good for pve teams later game
But neither is worth farming that garbage dungeon
frosty elk
yea for making it faster ig
i see, i didnt see the part where it said optional dungeon haha
got it i wont worry abt sr for now then
karmic owl
You’ll get some as random drops from world boss/events/rune craft whatever
frosty elk
ill just 2a both shamann and icaru for now
gotcha thanks budy!
also with my magick nights
do i just skill up astar
or do i just save my dupes for smth
same with cannon girls]
karmic owl
Skill up astar. If you need more skillups in the future you can fuse them. But keep one copy of everything non-fuseable per ?monsterrule
What cannon girl dupes do you have?
Don’t devil 4stars with fuseable skillups
Lushen should have s3 maxed and can fuse fire jokers if needed
Nat5 fusions aren’t worth fusing for skillups because of the cost of doing so, but nat4s are pretty cheap and a better value than using devils
frosty elk
okay thanks!
frosty elk
What cannon girl dupes do you have?
i js checked i dh a single one lmaooo
karmic owl
Then dw about it
I’d probably save your first few fire cg dupes for when we pull Abigail
Scarlett is a bandaid
frosty elk
thanks!
so acc its fine to not even build nbah team rn
since idt i need rage/will runes rn
i assume i mostly farm nbah for rage/will right?
is rage better than fatal?
karmic owl
Rage fatal are basically equivalent
You farm necro for will, nem, destroy
Rage is extra
But you can get will and destroy from lumel
And nem is more niche
karmic owl
You just joined right?
karmic owl
Might need guild lead to add you to the roster
frosty elk
i can set defenses on siege
karmic owl
It’s a separate roster
frosty elk
my defenses dont matter right just put whatever
karmic owl
Correct
Can pick one to start with when you are ready to focus on PvP more intentionally
frosty elk
got it ty
karmic owl
Your guild shouldn’t be using any of your defs at this point
frosty elk
i see
karmic owl
Once you’ve farmed some vio, real offsets, and grinds/gems for them you can try to build one good def
frosty elk
ok ty!
im excited to try out pvp
i can legit do it now too
thats crazy!
just need to farm runes now
karmic owl
just need to farm runes *forever
frosty elk
thats true
lol
but im excited to acc try out pvp
kinda crazy!
btw whats ur strat in farming gems
do u just look at a mon and say
oh i need to gem this guys runes
frosty elk
the strat for farming gems?
full bane
oh
i misread that somehow
when ur equipping runes you just look for the stats that the monster wants
and you farm gems that the monster wants stats wise, or regemming a weaker statline
karmic owl
I just farm one round of whatever the daily mission is for, since it’s discounted energy cost
And if I’m trying to use a rune but don’t have the right gem, craft some of those gems using the claws from farming r5
Gem farming kinda sucks
frosty elk
yea i think gem farming kinda iffy
ok ty
cause then ig
i have to make notes of them
karmic owl
No, you want add by speed if you are going for adds
And you would like at least 3 add lines if you’re going for adds if possible
Keep rolling, lot of free rolls left
frosty elk
whbat abt this 1?
karmic owl
Counterattack is super niche. Look for something better
frosty elk
gotcha thanks!
also this looks fine for runes right
if im mainly using swop, only thing id ever need is to look at a rune, see if it needs gems/grinds
or when its done
what abt artis?
karmic owl
Up to you how you sort. I like to mark reapp targets
frosty elk
do i really have to check artis 1 by 1, seems like artis are much harder/tedious to check
i see
how do u sort artis?
karmic owl
You can try to auto sell below certain thresholds but it risks selling Artis with good combo lines
frosty elk
yeah thats the thing
karmic owl
I go through and sort by stat
karmic owl
It’s tedious
frosty elk
and me not really getting artis that much doesnt help
cause like an attack mon could somehow prefer s2/s3 acc right
karmic owl
But you learn what you have and what you need
karmic owl
So when you farm next you can evaluate more quickly
Yeah some mons only need acc on a particular skill
So getting it by arti lets you get other stats from runes
karmic owl
Basically with artis keep your highest few rolls of every stat
And then keep artis with high rolls in things that are complementary
The more mons you build, the better your intuition will be for what Artis are usable or worth keeping
frosty elk
yeah, thanks!
yea thats the prob i legit dont know whats good
besides obv
adds and like acc/recovery/
ele+- is no brainer
apart from that idk what other sub is good
karmic owl
Those are some of the more important
Then for snipe units, cd on particular skill can be good
Along with atk up, cd more, cd own type lines
frosty elk
also follow up question the % over flat looks fkin horrendous no
for even slots?
like im pretty sure if this was % i wouldnt be only getting 160
i mean obv i have this rune cause 16 speed
frosty elk
yea cause flat spd on 2
but umm
for this do you really gem the cr
for a higher roll
or do u just grind everything
karmic owl
% gives you 63 percent of base stat, which is way more than 160 even in low def mons
frosty elk
% gives you 63 percent of base stat, which is way more than 160 even in low def ...
yea, that puts into perspective ty
karmic owl
That rune would depend who’s using it
frosty elk
isnt it just dps no
karmic owl
If you put on a def scaling nuke, might gem def over hp
karmic owl
If going on a typical atk scaler, maybe gem flat atk
karmic owl
Some mobs just want to max damage at all costs
frosty elk
some1 like lushen ya
when reapping umm
do i legit only reapp runes with acc/res
innate
frosty elk
got it
karmic owl
And sometimes you would want res on a rune (like hp% 4/6) so you don’t want it as an innate
frosty elk
something like this theoretically will only ever go on a dps no?
if its not my fastest
karmic owl
Same goes for acc/cd/cr etc
frosty elk
hm okay
frosty elk
And sometimes you would want res on a rune (like hp% 4/6) so you don’t want it a...
do u guys build a lot of 100 res units
karmic owl
It’s an option for lots of units, always a trade off
And will depend where you’re using/who you’re using with and against
karmic owl
Exactly
frosty elk
i see
karmic owl
That vamp rune could go on a ninja or a miho maybe
karmic owl
Yeah lushen should be your first arena team
frosty elk
i see
il js read the guide when i have the time
also
quick question but on a rune like this, say something like a first turn unit would use
karmic owl
If you go Susano Orion Kona lushen that vampire rune could work on Susano
karmic owl
Yeah that’s only ever going on swift booster
frosty elk
yea
karmic owl
With def innate it’s probably a regem hp
full bane
Yea Lushen AO is a great first ao because at lower ranks you will often see a lot of teams trying to race, esp. with tiana and some will use kaki
frosty elk
but when i gem something i legit dont take the roll right, so its kinda bad to gem a stat that rolledinto it
full bane
and also just because most of them will be runed poorly that you can cleave
frosty elk
With def innate it’s probably a regem hp
yea in order to make it higher
karmic owl
Correct
frosty elk
damn so its kinda dog to gem something that rolled
cause thats -1 roll
cause if i gem flat hp this js looks like a blue no
karmic owl
Right. But if you have leg with three good rolls and one dead roll, still a purple with 3 good rolls after gem
frosty elk
but im still keeping for sure cause its slot 6
but kinda dead later on for sure
ok kinda getting gems/grinds now
karmic owl
Can use in pve to help meet ehp on a dd
frosty elk
only prob i prolly will have in the future is what artis to keep/sell
rn i havent been selling any
but a good baseline would be
2 rolls into the stats i want?
karmic owl
Best answer will always be “good baseline is better than what you have now”
Hard to use artis without 2 rolls into complementary stats or the same stat
frosty elk
got it
cause as of now i havent been selling blues
cause i legit dont farm artis lmaooo
karmic owl
But eventually you’ll be looking for closer to 3 rolls
karmic owl
This game rewards thoughtful effort for sure
And the guides here really point you in the right direction
frosty elk
yeah kinda surprised with my progress too tbh
rn the only pve left for me really is nbah but not really worried abt it since idt im farming any will runes atm
karmic owl
It’s good to have but giants/sf/r5 more important
frosty elk
yea
karmic owl
And the more you farm those the easier it will be to build necro
frosty elk
i feel that
karmic owl
Plenty of players only get will runes from dhole
karmic owl
Good pve rune
frosty elk
yea
js thought it was weird
since 2 rolls went cr but its hero
but its prolly from event or smth
karmic owl
Might be from one of the starter sets
frosty elk
ya prolly
u really helped me w the gem/grinds pov
but for reapps just to recaps
whats the tldr 🤣
karmic owl
Save them until you understand runes better and have better bases to reapp
karmic owl
If you have good vio slot 4/6 with relevant innates those are your first targets
Hp/cd 4 and hp6, only speed slot 2 for now
Can post asking for help (should I reapp this? Which do I take? Etc) When you start trying
frosty elk
okay thanks!
i assume you guys say my first targets cause reapping could take an exponential amt of reapps ya
just curious but why not recommmend for atk slot 2, cdmg/cr slot 4, atk/def slot6?
cause hp is more versatile?
karmic owl
You want the most versatile options, to max your chances of getting a usable rune
Atk/def vio 6 are more narrow, so rolls that might be good on hp6 could be less useful
Most mons want spd2 when you get into PvP
Cr4 is really hard to use unless it’s gigafast
frosty elk
wat abt cmdg
frosty elk
Most mons want spd2 when you get into PvP
i see even dps r quite fast huh unless cleaving with atb
karmic owl
Cd is a high priority base
karmic owl
Base = reapp target. Think of it like the frame of a rune, that you fill in with substats by rolling or reapping
Cd4 vio main is a good reapp target. Can go on bruiser or more damage focused depending on rolls
karmic owl
i see even dps r quite fast huh unless cleaving with atb
Yeah fat nukers can use slot 2 atk/def with no speed, but most DDs want speed
Either from slot2 atk with high speed subs or slot2 speed
karmic owl
Both matter
frosty elk
got t
but so far the only really useful ones are like
s2/3 acc/cdmg
add+
ele+-
maybe atk/def up for fat dds?
maybe cdmg as enemy high/low is good too for pure dps
karmic owl
Some DDs like s1 cd (carcano for example)
frosty elk
but left side i usually want ele+- yes
karmic owl
Yes usually
karmic owl
Or adds
frosty elk
but i could also get adds on right right
karmic owl
Some mons get all their damage from adds, and don’t know what they are hitting/getting hit by
In rta for example
You can anticipate what someone might bring to counter your unit, but never be certain
karmic owl
For fat lushen, atk up is really good
frosty elk
but isnt add hp/def/spd kinda iffy on him since i legit dont build that
i see
the atk/def one ya
frosty elk
i see
karmic owl
If you are using a speed lushen that doesn’t get atk buff, then adds by atk/spd would be more valuable
Multiple ways to build almost every unit
frosty elk
yea
artis really bring al ot more into the game
lot more headache lol
tyty
also how is shamann built? i assume just ehp 100 crit cdam some speed?
karmic owl
For necro? Only needs 85 cr a bit of ehp and rest damage
frosty elk
oh right cause hes light
karmic owl
Should always refer to guide for how to build units
karmic owl
Shamann passive reduces damage from dark so doesn’t need as much ehp
karmic owl
And doesn’t need spd because he gets pulled by team ups
frosty elk
like s2 dmg
karmic owl
Necro boss stage caps speed
frosty elk
i see
karmic owl
Enemy max hp damage mons scale better on cd than atk
frosty elk
like how much betteer
hallow muskBOT
provided by SWARFARM
karmic owl
Both factor in, but when bosses have 100s of thousands of hp, that’s a bigger portion of the damage from the skill
frosty elk
okay so tldr js go cdam over atk
got it
i dont really need to know the math behind it anw
js need to know which is better haha
karmic owl
For enemy max hp mons yeah
frosty elk
got it
uhh
could u pull up vigor s3
does he also benefit over more cdam over atk
or is it same since his s3 benefits from his own hp
karmic owl
The command is / skills [mon] [skill]
frosty elk
ty
hallow muskBOT
provided by SWARFARM
provided by SWARFARM
Never heard of this monster before. :(
frosty elk
wtf
hallow muskBOT
provided by SWARFARM
frosty elk
oh i did it
Yea for something like this
i assume atk and cdam scale the same yes?
the most important part is 100 crit since crit vs no crit on shred is big dmg loss/gain yea
karmic owl
Yes for damage calc the scale equally
Vigor wants to prio hp over everything except speed tuned
Because it gets him bulk and damage
frosty elk
i see ty!
karmic owl
He does get some benefit from cr because it ramps up his damage without needing to invest in atk
But you don’t really want to sacrifice bulk or speed for it
karmic owl
Yeah it’s fine if he’s 15 cr
frosty elk
oh damn
karmic owl
Any more is good
karmic owl
But not the highest priority. He’s a bulky bruiser/support
More than a dd
Always depends what you’re building for
frosty elk
i see
okay man gon head to bed now
always thanks for every1 thats helping me
stay blessed
kinda 5am here
karmic owl
lol get some sleep
frosty elk
yep ty haha
karmic owl
People will always help here if you put in the effort
frosty elk
yea kinda amazing how u guys have every command
for every question
though ig its been asked litteraly 1000x
karmic owl
Exactly
knotty wagon
#guides
jolly estuary
all homie stated in toa hell is dark homie
toahell 1 can use your toa hard team, its usually sufficient to clear
full bane
no
karmic owl
There’s a thread in #update-theorycrafting
scarlet latchBOT
frosty elk
that means i cant use twins on r5 anymore no?
full bane
huh? you can still keep usin water twins. they are great for rifts too
frosty elk
oh its fine if theyre super high spd?
thx
also is kyle dbah much easier over kyle gbah?
full bane
yeah it's ok if theyre faster, those are still similar stats roughly but they just take a lot more better runes
not sure about easeness. i think gbah is easier because you only need to strongly rune 3 units
frosty elk
got it thx!
also
if i want to use the same kyle for gbah dbah
i just increase julie speed by 2 yes?
frosty elk
on the ao team
lushen orion susano kona
i want it to be like
orion>kona>susano>lushen
base speeds yes
karmic owl
Orion as fast as you can, Kona speed tuned to Orion. Lushen on fat damage set (doesn’t need any speed at all). Susano 100 cr spd/cd/atk build vamp/will best build you can make
Susano wants some speed, some bulk (needs to survive psama revive), plus damage
frosty elk
ok bud ty
frosty elk
good time to come back? was super busy
signal folio
you either come back because you enjoy the game or u dont because all you do is come back for events
frosty elk
you either come back because you enjoy the game or u dont because all you do is ...
thgats true
frosty elk
just got back in the game
what are the useful commands again and what should i do now
who should i pick here btw
idh galleon so prolly gim?
?progression
scarlet latchBOT
frosty elk
UHH
frosty elk
How far are you in <#1192803113460043907> rn?
im basically finished on part 2
just nbah left
and should i be farming gbah mostly?
narrow drift
frosty elk
kk ty farming it now