Runes and progression

[rotund basin]

Hi, so I have a pretty reliable giants hard team (the last one from the ?gbah) but I think I need some rune grinds in order to boost the accuracy, speed and dmg of the team.

My team rn has avg 1:15 run time, and doesn't really lose.

Do I stick on farming giants?

turn order is not great either, but I don't think it can be optimized rn

[fallow crater]

you can definitely optimize and fix the runes on your mons

ex, making your units faster than the wave speed so they can get one move in before the enemys turn. theyre combat speed 169, so your kro just needs to be 169 spd minimum, same for whomie

this team can get to 45s

and yes what you said you need to fix your teams order

[rotund basin]

should I keep farming giants hoping for better runes? or should I try some R5 to get grinds and pump my speeds?

another issue I get is that galleon sometimes misses the def break on the boss, even though he has 48 acc. Is it supposed to miss?

[vivid hill]

all monsters have a 15% chance to resist effects, regardless of accuracy

you will have to farm giants to improve galleon, he should be the first to move, to apply def break

[rotund basin]

ok i had no idea

[rotund basin]

is it worth sacrificing cr/cd for speed in this case?

[vivid hill]

you can use cr for rune 4 instead of cd if you cant rune galleon to be fast enough

[rotund basin]

gotcha, thanks for the advice guys

[vivid hill]

you can type ?accuracy to look at the detailed info retarding accuracy and resistance interaction

[rotund basin]

i see

that first acc check really screwing us up

then I guess wind homie needs better acc too, so that I have another chance is galleon misses

[vivid hill]

your galleon should automatically pass the first check because you max skilled s3

[rotund basin]

the default 15% check?

[vivid hill]

first acc check is based on the skill description

[rotund basin]

All monsters have a 15% chance to resist negative Effects, no matter how much Accuracy you have

I was talking about this one

[vivid hill]

yes thats the second check

[rotund basin]

oh yea sorry mb mb

[vivid hill]

unless the description states that def break is guaranteed

but having accuracy is still necessary

[rotund basin]

interesting, thats the wind haprie of the speed team right?

[vivid hill]

yes

[rotund basin]

What i am looking to do is to reduce the spectra speed maybe

i got galleon to 204 but spec is 212

[vivid hill]

no, increase galleon's speed

you will eventually need spectra to go even faster if you were to use spectra in toa hell

[rotund basin]

I could give spectra a atk slot 2 instead

oh okok

[fallow crater]

no, spectra doesnt benefit from atk that much

his s2 scales off the enemy's max hp

you would be just better into giving him spd 2 and giving him cd/hp on other subs

[rotund basin]

yea i got spec on speed/cd/hp

i was just looking to make gal go first, but its a bad idea

[rotund basin]

so far I managed to somewhat improve my wind homie

and increase the crit rate on Kro

But i have a problem with the speeds

And I can't figure out which stats to give up in order for higher speeds

I am contemplating going into R5 just so that I get some speed grinds to fix the issue

is that a bad idea?

[sonic dagger]

drop CD for more spd

[rotund basin]

even for kro?

[sonic dagger]

yes, kro already brings a lot of dmg with debuffs

once u reach the min stats, thats when u start adding more dmg (att/CD)

[rotund basin]

alr gotcha

2aKro: ATT/CD/ATT, 100% CR, 169 cmb spd (can be lower early on), 100k+ ehp (can use a slot 2 or 6 HP% early on)

do we care about acc on Kro?

[sonic dagger]

no

at least not as a primary focus, something you may want to give a little bit of after reaching min stats

[rotund basin]

doesnt he need it for the branding?

[sonic dagger]

not his main focus

[rotund basin]

oh, i thought this was his main debuff

alr alr

does lyn do a better job than kro in giants?

she seems easier to rune

[sonic dagger]

lyn is shit

[rotund basin]

wtf why

i seen many speed team w/ her

or is it old stuff

[sonic dagger]

dont confuse spd teams with record teams

[rotund basin]

a ok

he is passed the speed threshold

in exchange of cr/cd

[sonic dagger]

but not the CR

[rotund basin]

cant find a way to keep it too unfortunately

[sonic dagger]

also only need +44 spd to be 169 cmb spd after yr speed skill is maxed

[rotund basin]

speed skill?

[sonic dagger]

summoner skill

[rotund basin]

aaaa i totally forgot about thaty

yea its maxed

i wish it showed it ingame

i think for now this is the best he can do

[sonic dagger]

if thats what u can do now, then ya but 100% CR and some more ehp later on

[scarlet swift]

77431 ehp. Deffbroken: 37266 ehp.

[rotund basin]

With this team i have around 60% winrate on R5. Is there any big issue with the team comps or should i just get better runes?

[vivid hill]

swap vela with darion

u have 2 cleansers in team 2 but 0 in team 3

[rotund basin]

Bela?

[vivid hill]

fire archangel

[rotund basin]

Ohh that one

[vivid hill]

make sure your fedora and velajuel s3 are both max skilled

[rotund basin]

I find team 2 being the first to die thats why

Yea both are maxed

[vivid hill]

darion helps increase your team's ehp

with his passive

[rotund basin]

Alr alr let me try that

[vivid hill]

make sure that your cleansers are at least 200 spd + vio or 200 spd + 100% res

and make sure your monsters meet ehp requirements

your team looks fine otherwise, its probably rune issue

[rotund basin]

Yea it probably is rune issue. Ok ill work on the cleansers then

[rotund basin]

i need to reach 3300 defence on this one

but im not sure how the 20% from the skill applies

i assume its on the 736 only right?

[sonic dagger]

base x ( 1 + summoner skill + guild bonus) + rune = total

[sturdy pivot]

Yeah, every bonus (tower, guild, lead) are applied on base stats;
%stat from runes too

That icaru is good, got the def, speed and acc
(+2381 def from runes is enough if ur in a level 30 guild and maxed summoners skills)

[rotund basin]

nuh my guild is not maxed thats why he wont pull 3 allies

guild only gives me like 2% def

i need like 150 more def so im farming water rift to gem it in

[sturdy pivot]

736*(1.22)+x=3301
X=2403,08

U just need 1 or 2 speed, lol

I think its 1

+1

[rotund basin]

really? xD must have screwed up the calculation

[sturdy pivot]

Is slot 3 +15?

[rotund basin]

yea

i found some flat def grind

let me check if he pulls 3 now

[sturdy pivot]

Then just flat gem wtv rune u can

Niceee

[rotund basin]

+2419

let me check

eyy

pulls 3

thats crazy

[sturdy pivot]

Nicee
Wp

[rotund basin]

thanks sm bro

[sturdy pivot]

Np

What are the odds u were missing +1 def, thats crazyy hahahaha

[rotund basin]

yeah thats actually crazy 😂 talk about luck

but i guess having a good guild is really helpful, i could make the icaru faster with the guild giving me more def

[sturdy pivot]

I was about to tell you to change guild, but then i calculated haha

Funny

[rotund basin]

dont know if any maxed guilds would take me in

considering im only just making dungeon teams haha

that icaru is for pcah

[sturdy pivot]

For sure man
Theres a "filter" so u can find guilds

[rotund basin]

is there still a 24hr cooldown after you leave a guild?

i remember there was one years ago

[sturdy pivot]

12h cd

[rotund basin]

overnight i guess

[sturdy pivot]

Guild tower>guild profile>guild info, scroll down >guild search>conditions

Guild level 30, free to join

U insta find the guild u "need"
Try to find some ss+ lab too

So u can get more rewards as a non sieger (if u dont have good siege teams)

[rotund basin]

yea i guess ill leave tonight so that i can join a maxed on tomorrow morning

im in EU server, hopefully there are some, cause its not as big as global

[rotund basin]

Hi, which loren do you think is worth using more?is the more damage from the event one better then the one i built?
The one i had was the 100% acc one

[sonic dagger]

refer to her requirements at yr current/past point in time in #guides

so proceed from there

[rotund basin]

Rolled this from the event

I think its pretty good right?

[rotund basin]

?sfah

[torpid stone]

Steel Fortress Abyss (Hard)

• Teams and Turn Order:

1. Ling ling > Loren > Fran (L) > 2aRaoq > 2aKro (1:00-1:30)

• After PVE Teams

2. Ling ling > Lushen (L) > Loren > Fran > Brandia/2aKro (45-50 seconds)
3. Ling ling > Lushen > Loren > Eirgar (L) > Brandia (35-40 seconds)

• Requirements:

• Ling ling: SPD/(CR/CD)/(HP-ATT), 135k EHP, 240+ cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc

• Fran: SPD/HP/DEF, 135k EHP, 200 cmb spd

• Loren: SPD/HP/DEF, 135k EHP, 239+ cmb spd, 45% acc

• 2aRaoq: ATT/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc

• 2aKro/Brandia: ATT/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 100% CR, 169 cmb spd

• Eirgar: SPD/CD/(HP-ATT), 135k EHP, 200 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc

• Lushen: ATT/CD/ATT, 200 cmb spd, 100% CR, Must 1 shot waves without attack buff

• Other Info:

• Monsters with same cmb spd requirements, see turn order above

• Artifacts used depends on what the monster needs, EHP (hp/def) or DMG (att)

• Ling should be on some sort of dmg build, CD is ideal while CR works as well

• For team 1, Ling ling can move 3rd if still used in rift beasts and sr5 to give her more dmg

• For team 3, Loren can be slower than Eirgar if it fit with your other teams

[rotund basin]

How should Vigor be built for lumel?

I assume fast, tanky and 100% cr?

[fallow crater]

Just spd/hp/hp, 35% acc

He doesn't need dmg stats, but you'll have to re-rune him later on for pvp anyways

[rotund basin]

i tried having both acc and cr

does he need to be tankier?

[fallow crater]

that's good enough

you don't really need cr on him. he doesn't really do that much dmg

prefer to be tankier

[rotund basin]

alr its just that in 30 runs i got 1 6* rune. Why do we farm this dungeon?

[fallow crater]

you still get runes. it's better than not farming, especially when dhole energy is precious

and we are about to get the update soon which makes 5* runes not drop in crafting or dhole dungeons anymore