Are my siege def ok?

[pulsar radish]

Hello, ty for the insight :)

Seeing the response on other posts, I guess my question is way too empty.

Here some more context :
I just came back playing the game, I don't know anything about meta units or meta defs.

The def I think are the best are runed like this :

I think all my others def are kinda bad. But I don't know how to work around. I have many more units built but I don't know what team works well

[warm quest]

read beginner pvp section starting from here and you tell me #1048719420870107227 message

[sour karma]

jx9

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Siege Def continued - rune sets

After you've settled on the 3 monsters to use in a def, you get to the more important part - how to rune it.

1. Siege def is hard. On top of your def being AI controlled against a real player, that real player also gets to choose a custom-tailored 3 monster offense to specifically counter the exact def you've laid out. Don't handicap your def even further by giving it leftover runes. Anything you put on siege def should have some of the very best runes on your account.

2. Vio is king. I don't have to tell you that vio is the best set in the game, especially for PvP, and especially for this type of content where practically the only way for a lot of defs to win is to get lucky through procs. If you don't put vio on your monsters then you're basically not even giving them a chance to win. There are a few monsters that are ok on despair (for example, aoe strippers like Clara or Liu Mei), but other than that, the only other exception is that you can have 1 monster on your absolute best and fastest swift set. The only purpose of swift is to outspeed someone trying to outspeed your def. A leftover or even second best swift set is useless. Out of all 15 monsters across my 5 defs, 13 are on vio, 1 is on despair (Clara), and 1 is on a 300+ swift set (Orion).

3. Just like how vio is the important main set, real offsets are important too. Stats over sets is only a PvE mantra, in PvP it is worth losing stats to gain a valuable offset. The exact offset used between Will, Nem, Destroy, Rev, and Shield doesn't always matter that much, as different offsets counter different types of offenses. You just need at least something. Out of my 15 monsters, only 2 are missing a real offset - 1 is the Orion which I'm just speed chasing on, and the other is Iunu which I also was trying to hit a specific spd for tuning purposes and couldn't manage a real offset.

Req. by jx9. Quote from · Apr 28, 2023, 11:31 PM

[pulsar radish]

Alright I've read that and I think I only have vio sets with valuable offsets, tanky builds, and low spd differences between my mons

Am I missing something? Or are you telling me my monsters are too badly runed anyway?

[warm quest]

you're saying both of those defs follow all 9 points there?

[pulsar radish]

I do not know ticks threshold

and maybe my acc is off?

[warm quest]

you can read about ticks in the guide

[pulsar radish]

I cannot find it

[lament coral]

I'll give you the link. But please try to read through Beginner PvP from beginning to end. There's so much valuable information in it that will help you understand any aspect of PvP, including "modern" units and defenses and stuff.

[sour karma]

diliskar

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Speed Ticks

Each tick, monsters gain 7% of their speed as ATB. When we talk about speed ticks we're referring to the breakpoints in a monster's speed where it'll take you 1 less tick to reach 100 ATB. The speed tick breakpoints are as follows:

477 spd = 3 Ticks to reach 100 ATB
358 spd = 4 Ticks
286 spd = 5 Ticks
239 spd = 6 Ticks
205 spd = 7 Ticks
179 spd = 8 Ticks
159 spd = 9 Ticks
143 spd = 10 Ticks
130 spd = 11 Ticks

Generally speaking, you should try to rune your monsters to be close to each of those spd breakpoints (hitting the exact spd for a breakpoint, or just a bit over). A 239 spd monster will take the same number of ticks as a 285 spd monster to reach 100 ATB and get a turn. Both a 239 spd monster and a 285 spd monster would effectively take the same number of turns over the course of a battle, so the 285 spd monster is pretty much very inefficient and wasting a lot of speed.

That being said, there are still some other factors to consider and trying to rune all your monsters to be exactly "on tick" may not always be the best move.

1. Even if 2 monsters are at the same tick breakpoint, the faster one is still going to get their turn before the slower one even if both monsters get the same number of turns over the course of the battle. Moving first can be a big advantage.

2. Spd buff, slow debuff, and any sort of ATB manipulation (skills that increase or decrease ATB) will influence ticks and alter this greatly. Given how common these skills and effects are in many PvP scenarios, having higher spd without reaching the next breakpoint could still make a difference in many situations (due to these ATB manipulations).

3. There are skills that scale off spd, so even if you're not getting more turns with higher spd you could still be doing more dmg.

Also note that ticks work differently in RTA. In RTA, monsters only gain 1.5% of their speed as ATB. That means there are a lot more RTA tick breakpoints and they are much narrower.

Req. by jaykeblakk. Quote from · Dec 3, 2022, 9:57 PM

[pulsar radish]

I've build a Roid to do a Khmun/Vigor/Roid def, and I wonder if CR is better than HP% on slot4?

here are my khmun and vigor if needed

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jx9

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Siege def continued - rune stat allocation

7. While every monster on def can always be runed in different ways to counter different offenses, in general I find that when in doubt, overall the best way to prioritize stats on any siege def monster is tankiness (HP/Def) > speed > damage. Even damage dealers should follow this priority. As an example, you can see that my Theo and Kaki are runed much tankier than what most people would normally expect. Especially the Kaki which is on a Hp/Hp/Hp build. Damage dealers do 0 damage when they're dead. Again I'm not saying this is always the best way, there are certainly more yolo-runed Theos on very successful defs. It's just a good option.

8. Acc and Res. Don't neglect Acc on damage dealers with important debuffs. Def break is an extremely important debuff, so make sure that you have at least some acc on damage dealers like Carc and Theo. 20-40 is a good range to shoot for, and you can get even more with acc artifact. Resist is all or nothing, but it's a very valid option to consider the "all" route for practically any monster. It's not limited to just supports like Triana. For example, I use the Tesa res lead on my Tesa Riley Elsha def to give Elsha max res.

9. Slot 4 CR is underrated. It's not just a tool for your low-damage supports that have skills that require crit to function, like Verde or Praha. It can be used on damage dealers too, when you need to make sure you hit other requirements in other areas such as tankiness, speed, acc, and/or res, and you simply can't get high enough CR on a slot 4 CD build. I have multiple monsters on slot 4 CR - Tesa, Elsha, Carc, even a traditional yolo-nuker like Iunu.

Req. by jx9. Quote from · Apr 29, 2023, 12:03 AM

[warm quest]

Read point #7

It’s very rare to want to rune anything below 239 tick

[pulsar radish]

are there tools to know how much rune speed is needed?

and is nem on vigor any good?

and I consider swapping khmun with clara

in what case I guess nem on vigor would not be good

[warm quest]

What exactly do you mean here

There’s tools to speed tune units to a booster

But in terms of def there isn’t any specific speed you need

I’m just saying that your monsters are slow

[pulsar radish]

Wouldnt I want to be 239 ig speed?

[warm quest]

Yea but that’s just me saying your monsters will do better if they are faster

It’s not like anything special or specific happens at that speed

[pulsar radish]

I can try working on that but I'll lose tankiness

What would you say is a minimum in term of tankiness?

[warm quest]

Lose crit on vigor and roid

There’s never any minimum you just do the best you can

[pulsar radish]

alrighty

and is Clara better than Khmun in this comp?

[warm quest]

Sure

[pulsar radish]

thanks alot for the efforts

sorry for the noob questons, ty for your time

[warm quest]

Basically your goals regardless of if you use clara or khmun should be to first get everything to 239 tick

[warm quest]

Then just make them tanky as possible. With some offset, doesn’t matter which one

[pulsar radish]

Clara would be swift as fast as possible right? So it can "counter" cleave?

[warm quest]

That’s one option but not the only option

[pulsar radish]

She's curently on despair but I think with this team the swift one would be the best idea

But I may not see the full picture

[warm quest]

You’re not seeing the full picture

What team would you use against your own def?

[pulsar radish]

Buldo ime copper

can also miyhang chloe khali

that's why in my head clara was better on swift

I maybe could also susano kona lushen but I wouldnt be confident enough in my lushen

[warm quest]

You would dozer imesety copper a def with clara?

[pulsar radish]

no the current one with khmun sorry

[warm quest]

Oh ok

I was referring to clara build

[pulsar radish]

With Clara I don't really know

[warm quest]

The threat of clara being on swift already does a lot

You don’t actually have to rune her swift

The attacker doesn’t know how you’ve runed your stuff

[pulsar radish]

Wouldnt I want to punish the kind of guys that says fuck it i'll do it anyway

coz I feel at my rank there's alot

[warm quest]

Then do it that’s fine too

[pulsar radish]

But I get the threat thing

Are there any monsters/teams that you would advice me to build to get a strong def option?

I have an unused Miyhang

[warm quest]

That def is fine. Focus on runes

The advice is to always focus your efforts on runing your defs not being picky about what exact comp to use

[pulsar radish]

Do I lose too much acc? (precision)

[warm quest]

yes

even 48 is too low for a monster like clara

esepcially a clara on a not dmg build

[pulsar radish]

I want her to be capped at 85?

I have no in-between 100 it will be

is it better or I lose too much tankiness?

[warm quest]

sounds like you've been throwing away all runes with acc

acc does cap at 85 so both those builds are inefficient

[pulsar radish]

Last has 87 acc

[warm quest]

if you're doing a def with clara vigor though theres no reason why you shouldn't be at 286 tick

[pulsar radish]

I won't be able to get this much speed

[pulsar radish]

Would you say I need to attain that before trying to set up another def?

[warm quest]

i forgot what we were talking about

you should work on improving your initial defs

[pulsar radish]

prob is : I don't know if my initials defs are good, would you tell me if some of them are garbo and should be deleted?

[warm quest]

you don't have to delete anything

just start working on them 1 at a time starting with your best

you showed runes of your 2 best but then you suddenly started working on a 3rd and thats where we got sidetracked

go back to the first def

[pulsar radish]

The first one being like that ;

I saw other's version with Rakan or Masha, even Tesarion, is Perna the right call?

My high speed vio have cr, thus I cannot reduce it on orion

I'll try slowing down my perna so he has better speed tune with Seara

[warm quest]

stop worrying about the comp

its fine

why do you think you need your orion to be that fast?

it's a vio orion. you're not going to outspeed anyone who tries to cleave you

after that, the only thing that really matters are the ticks

you can lose speed on orion and it wont make a difference. you should also tune your other 2 monsters to your orion. that will make a difference

[pulsar radish]

It's just that if I put effort into a def I'd like it to be the best possible with what I have

[pulsar radish]

I'll work on that!

[warm quest]

i wasn't trying to say that it's ok to not have a good def

i'm more trying to say that there is no best def, there's a thousand different defs that can equally be good

and it just comes down to how you rune it

[pulsar radish]

I may be a little lost as to what my objectives should be.
I can clear any pve content, but I don’t know what part of it I should farm right now.
Is it more efficient to just do Drake since vio is so relevant?
Also I don’t know how to chose my artifacts

[warm quest]

if you have any runes being used that are still missing grinds or gems > raids/rifts is #1 priority

then check your artis, do you have triples for all major +/- ele? for example -20 fire on a wind arti, +16 water on a wind arti, etc > if not, prioritize SF

then are you working on defense? farm dragons

or if you want to improve offense? farm giants

[pulsar radish]

Ok thanks, I'll farm raids for a bit

How would you rune Susano for the susano kona +1? vamp, vio, swift? cd or cr bruiser?

[warm quest]

are we talking lushen for siege offense?

[pulsar radish]

Susano for siege yeah

[warm quest]

at this point you shouldn't be using susano anymore

use mihyang

[pulsar radish]

I use my mihyang with adriana sonia

[warm quest]

make another mihyang

[pulsar radish]

Skill ups :(

[warm quest]

mihyang with no skillups still better than susano with skillups

[pulsar radish]

I see

So, Mihyang, swift spd cd atk?

[warm quest]

yes

should be very fast similar to tiana

in fact you can just swap around a tiana set

the benefit of mihyang over susano is that you can make mihyang very fast without losing dmg

[pulsar radish]

How do you calculate to be speed tune with only speed buff?

[warm quest]

so the idea is that mihyang moves after lushen to clean up

without any enemies moving

[pulsar radish]

(for adriana)

[warm quest]

use swgt

[pulsar radish]

the numbers mason

[south wraith]

go to advanced after you enter your mons speeds

[pulsar radish]

For adriana, do you still build her as fast as possible or you stick with the 286 (or 358) ticks?

[warm quest]

you ignore ticks for any cleave offense

[pulsar radish]

how can I make it so it considers turn 1 of adriana put a speed buff?

[south wraith]

the "speed modifier" line lets you apply speed buff to any/all of your mons

start with the tick after adriana moves

put an enemy adriana on the same lead/rune speed as yours

then increase your other mons' speeds until enemy adri moves after both of them

[pulsar radish]

Alright ty!

[warm quest]

so yes make her as fast as possible

this is the top swift set that you swap around

[pulsar radish]

Without any regards for others stats yeah

[south wraith]

here's an example of sonia and mihyang tuned to a +218 adriana

[pulsar radish]

for my exemple

[south wraith]

can also add in speed increasing effect arti lines if you are using them, which reduces speed required from runes. but they aren't very efficient lines to target

[pulsar radish]

Is it worth to still upgrade sonia speed to gain damage?

[south wraith]

she scales off speed so you can give her more speed or atk/cd to increase damage

[warm quest]

she doesn't exactly scale off speed completely

there's a cap to it, the s2 itself is not a speed scaling skill

similar to leah

it's very easy to hit this cap considering you will have spd buff and enemy wont

you should not make sonia faster than the minimum needed to be tuned

[pulsar radish]

On swgt should I have put the speed buff effect on tick 6 if my adriana takes her first turn on tick 5?

[south wraith]

yes. it applies from the following tick

is +180 your fastest set on a base 111 mon?

[pulsar radish]

No I was just testing it out

It's +201

SWGT is a very cool tool

Should Mihyang play after sonia?

or just the amount of speed required for speed tuning as well

[south wraith]

easier to tune that way with sonia's higher base

[pulsar radish]

coz Mihyang has speed scaling

[south wraith]

but if there's some comp reason to tune the other way you might have to do that on case by case basis

[pulsar radish]

So I'd rather have more atk than spd on mihyang once I'm speed tuned?

[real shard]

Mihyang (Water Sky Dancer)

Wikia

1. Graceful Touch

Attacks with a graceful touch and possesses the enemy with a 30% chance to increase the enemy's chances to land a Glancing Hit for 2 turns.

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Effect Rate +10%
Damage +10%
Effect Rate +10%

Multiplier

3.8*{ATK}

2. Blade Fan

Attacks the enemy 3 times with an attack that always lands as a Critical Hit, with each attack having a 50% chance to remove one of the enemy's beneficial effects. Increases the Attack Bar of all allies by 15% each per beneficial effect removed. The damage is proportionate to the attack speed. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

{ATK}*({SPD} + 66)/99 x3

3. Dance of Mirage

Recovers the HP of all allies with a mysterious dance and extends the time of the beneficial effects and shortens the time of the harmful effects. The recovery amount is in proportion to the Attack Power. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Recovery +10%
Recovery +10%
Recovery +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

4.0*{ATK}

provided by SWARFARM

[south wraith]

s2 scales off both so more of either helps with damage

[pulsar radish]

what artis should I aim for? cd s2? multihits spd/atk?

• should my sonia be a devilmon target?

[south wraith]

treat it like lushen - atk increasing is very efficient, cd lines are good, adds are fine too

sonia gets damage increases which are valuable for a nuker, and she is used in arena, siege, and rta. good devil target at least until damage on s2 is maxed

[pulsar radish]

does atk increasing effect lose value if I have less cd than atk% bonus?

[south wraith]

maybe at the margins, but she's a dd that scales on atk and you are guaranteeing she has atk buff. its a good line for her

[pulsar radish]

(for exemple my Lushen have +2400 atk, +200% cd)

So to be optimized, he would need 260% cd right?

since +2400 atk is 2,6x 900 (base atk of lushen)

the formula for dmg works like that?

[south wraith]

they are rough guidelines

swop is best if you want to maximize dmg to the extreme

[pulsar radish]

Alright I'll download it

it works with any emulator?

[south wraith]

i'm not sure

i know they had issues with steam when sw first came to steam but they dealt with that

[pulsar radish]

SWEX won't work for unrooted Android 7+. The reason is that in Android 7+, apps don't accept user signed certs by default. App devs would need to allow them specifically. For people that use Android 7+, you need to use Emulators like Mumu or Nox which usually run older Android versions.

[south wraith]

there's your answer then

[pulsar radish]

Can anyone explain why res is played "all or nothing"?

[warm quest]

its just an efficiency thing since res works against enemy acc

let's say you run into an enemy monster with 30 acc, a fairly reasonable amount for a random bruiser

then there is no difference between you having 0 res or 45 res

so the first 30 res you get on your monster is literally doing nothing at all

having "some res" is just very inefficient, since most enemy monsters will have "some acc"

[pulsar radish]

Is there always a 15% chance of landing a debuff even 0 acc vs 100 res?

[warm quest]

?accuracy

[warm quest]

no

0 acc vs 100 res means 0% chance of landing debuff

100 acc vs 0 res means 85% chance of landing debuff

[pulsar radish]

Yup saw that ty, I guess 0 acc monsters never happens

[pulsar radish]

Can I make it so I can sort my runes by potential max eff%?

simulating fully grinded

or just disabling grind would be ok also

But I cannot find this setting

[south wraith]

there's a rune tab on the left side of swop

from there you can click the eff column and sort by eff

[pulsar radish]

is she ok?

[pulsar radish]

Yeah I would like to know my potential efficiency, to know which runes I should focus on grinding

[south wraith]

in theory the "max eff" column should do that, but it's returning the exact same values as "eff" column for me right now. not sure why that is or how to work around

but you should grind all the runes you use, and come back to grind your best runes higher once everything is grinded

efficiency is one measure of "best" but not necessarily a great one. for example swop will give a def% main rune with quad atk% and hp%, spd%, acc% a high efficiency score (assuming high rolls) but that rune would be basically worthless

[pulsar radish]

Yeah I see, I strugle a bit finding my best runes since I came back from a long pause and I had my runes inventory full

[south wraith]

there's no real substitute for just going through your runes and getting a better understanding of what you have

takes time, is tedious, but any shortcuts will miss stuff (either overinclusive, underinclusive, or both)

the more mons you try to build, the better sense you will get of what types of runes you are lacking and need to be looking for more actively while you farm

[pulsar radish]

I'm also not sure as to what my prio monsters should be

[south wraith]

you have to pick what content to prioritize

[pulsar radish]

I think guild contents are my favorite part

[south wraith]

but generally once you have pve teams build you shouldn't cannibalize them

from there you build mons you need to compete in the content you like

if you like siege, your best runes should go on your defs

[pulsar radish]

but do I need to have few sets and move them alot? for offense

[south wraith]

should only build 1 or 2 defs until you have a lot of good runes to spare

[pulsar radish]

I've built 5 but I'm one of the best member in my guild and we're trying to rank up

[south wraith]

when you are just getting started, it gets expensive to move too many sets around. can just move swift topset to mons that you use to race

[south wraith]

you will learn more if you play in a better guild, even if that means you are the worst player in the guild

[pulsar radish]

yeah but I like the people here

[south wraith]

then if your 5th best def is useful for your guild, go ahead

[warm quest]

this is just you being lazy or scared

unless these are like irl friends or something

you joined a random guild with random people in a random game

[pulsar radish]

but then I bonded

With my level of runes, what guild level could I aim? G1?

[warm quest]

bond with players who are better than you, not those that are worse

also now is the best time to join a new guild

you have 2 weeks before season reward cutoff

G1 is 95% of the playerbase, if you're not already in G1 yea you definitely need to get out of whatever you're in

[pulsar radish]

.... C3....?

[pulsar radish]

What does it means?

[warm quest]

season siege rewards

you have to be in the guild for at least a month before season ends in order to get those rewards

seasons are like 3-4 month long

[pulsar radish]

Oh ok I see

I'll do that then fuck 'em noobs right

[south wraith]

you won't get any better being the best player in a shitty guild

[pulsar radish]

Yes that is very true, that's why I'm trying here it helps alot

[pulsar radish]

Is there a place comparing $packs?

[pulsar radish]

Is it possible to have the right to pin message in my own thread?

[warm quest]

is this a one time thing or do you want to spend a certain amount each month?

[pulsar radish]

I wanna farm

If monthly has the best value I'll go with that

[warm quest]

its mostly just daily packs and then toa pack thats best value

and thats already like $100 a month

[pulsar radish]

is there a command for hwahei points or something?

[warm quest]

no

[pulsar radish]

do I re gem speed for a higher amount?

(spd, acc, cr, hp%)

[warm quest]

?whattogem

[sour karma]

There's never just a single correct way to gem a rune. Don't gem anything until you're ready to use the rune. If you need help deciding what to gem, figure out who the rune is going on first.

[pulsar radish]

I have some LD units that are not upgraded yet, should I invest in some?
Jasmine, Hwadam, Light Canon girl, Light Boomerang twin, Light harg (better than konamiya for AO/Siege off?), light Kitsune
Dark cyborg, Korona, Dias, Liebli (I have Seara, no bomb offense build yet), dark ondine (combo with Leo?)

[warm quest]

don't go around looking for random units to build

[pulsar radish]

I also can get light string master and light neostone fighter

No that's why I ask

I have trouble doing AOs, I only have 1 team build : Gin Eshir Kona Lushen. I dropped a Psamathe yesterday, should I switch to Psamathe/Eshir/Dova/Lushen?

• building a 2nd AO, bomber by upgrading Liebli

I also sometimes have trouble doing siege offense since I don't have that much units build, so I'm looking for efficient one (Hwadam for exemple I think is very good)

I heard about string master but I don't know what's her uses

[warm quest]

for siege always build stuff in response to a specific def that you want a counter for

psama is a huge upgrade over gin for lushen ao

dova is extremely good for lushen in siege, but not arena

even if you have dova you should still use kona or teon with psama

[pulsar radish]

Dova's boost atk is random?

[warm quest]

no

the point is that for arena lushen teams are mostly about spd racing

you need something with high base spd

kabilla eshir bernard

dova base spd too low

so he has to be a secondary booster like kona or teon

dova's advantage over kona or teon is just the base spd. his kit otherwise sucks compared to kona/teon

however the base spd doesn't matter for a secondary booster

[pulsar radish]

I get it, ok so he won't be a prio right now

[warm quest]

in siege you don't have room for 2 boosters

i mean you should absolutely use him for siege asap

[pulsar radish]

I'll build Psamathe (rage for ao?) and Liebli

[warm quest]

no

the ao build is double nem will

do you have tiana?

[pulsar radish]

yes

[warm quest]

wait do you have your swarfarm somewhere

[pulsar radish]

No but I can make one real quick

[real shard]

Emily (Light Cannon Girl)

Wikia

1. Fire!

Attacks the enemy 3 times. Each attack has a 30% chance to decrease the Attack Bar by 30%.

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Damage +15%

Multiplier

1.2*{ATK} x3

2. Wild Shot!

Attacks all enemies several times, decreasing their Defense for 2 turns with a 50% chance each. Attacks up to 8 times as the no. of enemies is less. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Damage +5%
Effect Rate +5%
Damage +15%
Effect Rate +15%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

1.2*{ATK} x8

3. Fatal Armor Bullet

Attacks the enemy with a cannon gun and absorbs all of the Attack Bar. Afterwards, inflicts damage on all enemies and stuns them for 1 turn with a 50% chance. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Damage +10%
Effect Rate +10%
Damage +15%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

3.5*{ATK}

provided by SWARFARM

[pulsar radish]

She looks nice

https://swarfarm.com/profile/Entau/?

[warm quest]

usable for siege def but not super meta

yea you can make a bomb ao

[pulsar radish]

psam doesnt require skill ups right?

[warm quest]

usable without skillups

[pulsar radish]

ty, should covenant be another unit that I might build?

I don't have Jamire, but I have Adriana and Sonia, so it might synergize well

AO and Siege off I'd say?

[warm quest]

don't go around looking for random units to build
for siege always build stuff in response to a specific def that you want a counter for

[pulsar radish]

Yeah I'm asking because I think he could be a good fit both for AO and siege

[pulsar radish]

Skill up Tesarion or Theomars with Ifrits from guild shop?

(should I buy ifrits from guild shop?)

is def% reapp target?

[warm quest]

?guildshop

[warm quest]

no

[pulsar radish]

thanks!

[opal tendon]

I've been doing it wrong this whole time

Normally I just do psama Lushen dova Camilla for a lot of the lushenable defenses

[warm quest]

its just a bit awkward to use dova for AO, too middle of the ground in terms of dmg vs spd racing

[opal tendon]

yeah that checks out

[warm quest]

there are cases where i do use dova

for example if i want to lushen a TL def i swap out kabilla + kona for leo + dova

[opal tendon]

admittedly i definitely don't lushen as much as i should be

[warm quest]

and also if its just a super tanky def with no spd threat

i'll go all dmg for a one shot, meaning alicia dova miriam lushen

but at that point dova is whatever can use teon just as easily

[opal tendon]

don't we just deborah kaki these?

that's the angle i do at least

[warm quest]

you could, i dont have deborah

and these defs dont actually exist anyway

its like something i'll use once every 500 hits on my climb up

[pulsar radish]

Do you say my most used AO will be Lushen?

Also I'd like to work on a def to try and get a good rank

Would Psam/Camilla/Juno/Rakan be good?

Rakan being on swift I guess?

[warm quest]

thats fine for ad

theres no single ao that can hit everything or even most things

[pulsar radish]

Or Karnal over Psamathe, Nana over Rakan

[warm quest]

its standard to only hit 1 or 2 defs from each list

no keep the ad its fine

don't worry too much about it

swift rakan is excellent

[pulsar radish]

I don't have any build atm any way

Juno despair revenge or nem?

Psam being on his AO build is ok?

[warm quest]

don't worry too much about runes

its best that you use these units for other purposes and they can be on siege def on those other builds

build juno the way it would be good for siege offense

build cami the way you would use it for siege offense

etc

[pulsar radish]

My camilla is kinda sus

Should she be on my prio list?

Vio/Destroy?

[warm quest]

yes

[pulsar radish]

Should Homonculus be skilled up? Wind and support?

[pulsar radish]

Also, swift rakan should be runed at what speed?

just about tickrate or as fast as possible?

[south wraith]

Any time you use swift on def it should be fastest set to try and counter people who speed cleave you. Otherwise you’re better off going vio/despair/vamp/whatever effect set the mon benefits from

[pulsar radish]

So how's rakan good? base speed is very low

[real shard]

Rakan (Fire Chimera)

Wikia

1. Trample

Pins down the enemy and inflicts Continuous Damage for 1 turn. The damage increases as the enemy's HP status decreases.

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%

Multiplier

{ATK}*(4.1 - 0.3*{Target Current HP %})

2. Unleashed Fury

Gains increased Attack Power and Immunity against harmful effects for 3 turns. Instantly recovers a turn when used. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Cooltime Turn -1
Cooltime Turn -1

3. Collapse

Attacks the enemy to remove 1 beneficial effect and provokes the enemy for 2 turns. Provokes all other enemies for 1 turn if you attack on your turn. Counterattacks the target with the [Collapse] Skill with a 40% chance if you receive an attack while this skill is on cooldown. The damage dealt is proportionate to your MAX HP and deals 75% of the damage when counterattacking. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

4.4*{ATK} + 0.4*{MAX HP}

provided by SWARFARM

[south wraith]

S2 3 turn atk buff & immunity, instantly recovers a turn, S3 strip and provoke

You are right that base speed is low, but the swift threat is strong to interrupt and cc. If people don’t account for swift it can be a hassle. And if they fear swift rakan then they have to use a race comp which has other tradeoffs

[pulsar radish]

So fastest set on Rakan , not even worth to lose ~10% to get some hp/cr/acc?

[warm quest]

not everyone who tries to cleave you will be using 33 lead + kabilla

for example people will try to tiana you

tiana is also low base spd

swift rakan is great on siege def too

[pulsar radish]

Alright cool

vigor rune, should I gem def% over cr?

(acc, cr, spd, hp)

same question here

[warm quest]

yes

[warm quest]

that's slot 1

[pulsar radish]

Should I invest into Gapsu?

I use him in siege, but he has no skill ups yet

[warm quest]

He is definitely an option to devil yes

You can use him on defense

[pulsar radish]

With who? I was thinking about Khmun Theo Gapsu but not sure about Khmun, feels like he doesnt add much

Or maybe Mo long Perna Gapsoo, and I put Rakan instead of Perna on Seara Orion x

[warm quest]

He’s a pretty generic bruiser you can use him with anything

[pulsar radish]

Juno rune. Should I go HP% on cr?

She has 101% cr rn

(SPD, DEF, ATK, CR)

[pulsar radish]

Heyo :) How would you hit that?

Clara is not on swift, there is shield set

Only clara has will

[warm quest]

just lushen it?

[pulsar radish]

Guildy tried and all survived

with similar runes

[warm quest]

show replay here

[pulsar radish]

the def is 34W4L so there's a rune diff

Could Hwadam Roid Racuni be good?

or is it too passive against 2 scaling units like misty and fuujki

[warm quest]

rune diff but also wrong team

lushen offense should be with mihyang not susano

[pulsar radish]

yeah I told him afterwards

[warm quest]

then you can finish off fuuki with mihyang without giving fuuki a turn

this gives you a much better chance of winning 3v2 even if everything initially survives lushen

[pulsar radish]

So you think I just try again with lushen?

[warm quest]

if you know its not swift you can also do praline snipe

that has a lot more dmg

[pulsar radish]

?siege

[sour karma]

See #1048719420870107227

[pulsar radish]

I lushened it

was very close, almost lost

[pulsar radish]

About RTA : my core comp lately has been Seara Tomoe Shizuka, but I struggle alot against heavy bruiser team, I try to flex my last picks to match but I feel like I have no response to some situation

Should I swap Tomoe for a more flexible pick? Like Sekmet?

I sometime try to play Sonia but she's not runed well enough ; my flex picks are : Diana, Douglas, Camilla, Leo, Nana, Riley, Verdehile

Miles/Racuni and Velajuel, Juno

[pulsar radish]

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