Arena/Siege/WGB - Defenses | Summoners War | Page 1

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 11:48 AM

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Hey guys, after finishing PvE for quite some time now, I wanted to start building more decent/good defenses for Siege/Arena/WGB in order to get to a higher Arena Rank / Help my guild more in Siege/WGB. The main problem I am facing when trying to set up any sort of defenses is that my unit pool is very limit in terms of elemental nat 5* so I can't build the common Defenses. I tried to design some defenses and would love to get some feedback for them.
AD: Clara (L), Vigor, Tesarion, Triana
Up to this point I used some sort of Clara (L), Karnal, Camilla, X as my AD, I want to switch to this AD since it would use at least 3 of those units for my siege defenses too.
Siege Defenses:
1 - Carcano (L), Vigor, Triana
Carcano -> Violent/Will -> SPD + CR/CD + ATK/HP
Vigor -> Violent/Will -> SPD + HP + HP
Triana -> Violent/Will -> SPD + HP + HP
2 - Fiona (L), Eshir, Orion
Fiona -> Violent/Will OR Despair/Will -> SPD + CR + ACC/ATK
Eshir -> Swift/X -> max. SPD
Orion -> Despair/Will OR Violent/Will -> SPD + HP + ACC/HP
3 - Feng (L), Praha, Karnal
Feng -> Violent/Destroy -> SPD + DEF/HP + DEF/HP
Praha -> Violent/Nem OR Despair/Nem -> SPD + HP + HP
Karnal -> Violent/Will -> SPD + HP + HP
4 Chandra (L), Liu Mei, Tesarion
Chandra -> Violent/Will OR Swift/X -> SPD + CD + HP
Liu Mei -> Despair/Will -> SPD + HP + ACC/HP
Tesarion -> Violent/Will -> SPD + CR + HP/ATK
I would still need 1 more defense for WGB and even then 2 of those would be 4* only, for WBK I would switch Vigor to Miles for the 1. Defense. Miles would be on Violent/Shield -> SPD + HP + HP.

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 11:48 AM

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hey hey calm down

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let's go one by one

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ok so

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how long have you completed pve?

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 11:50 AM

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30 days or so i cant tell you exactly.

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 11:50 AM

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I mean, how many days was it from when you complete #guides

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ok, and so how long does it take for you to complete #guides

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 11:51 AM

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some days idk maybe 10? Im a returning player and started again.

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 11:52 AM

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alr, so let's go one by one

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your ad is good

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 11:52 AM

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so arena i assume first?

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 11:52 AM

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yep

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keep your current ad, it's good

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 11:52 AM

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the clara, vigor, triana, tesarion one? right?

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 11:52 AM

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oh wait lemme check your box first

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you can go for clara triana manon camilla

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no need to invest to it yet, but it's a great defense to deter ppl from hitting you

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 11:54 AM

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would need to skill up manon for this right?

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 11:55 AM

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no need to invest to it yet

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just pick 4 monster I told you and you're fine, even if they're unruned

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 11:55 AM

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ok will do this

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 11:56 AM

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for siege def just keep carc triana vigor for now, no need for that much def

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 11:56 AM

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how i go about WGB then?

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 11:56 AM

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just fill in some mediocre defs

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you've just started thinking about pvp

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it's fine to have 1 real defs and 4 shit defs

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I only have 2 real defs btw

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 11:59 AM

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can you tell me what is wrong with for example the Chandra (L), Liu Mei, Tesarion team?

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 11:59 AM

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nothing wrong, it's just you don't need it yet

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you can keep it if you want

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but your focus should be offense

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you worry about defense late

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so far you only need a proper ad and a proper siege def

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 12:01 PM

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roger, i will just ignore them for the time being and focus more on offense, can you give me some feedback to my common AO/Siege offenses too?

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 12:01 PM

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your focus is arena/siege offense, which are pretty well discussed #1048719420870107227

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have you read them?

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 12:02 PM

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yeah, AO is very good imo. Siege is kinda fine, had around ~80-90% WR this season in a G1 guild.

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 12:03 PM

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you do them pretty well, why did you tell me you just finish PvE for quite some times?

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 12:04 PM

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the main reason i made this post was because i plan to rerune all my units and focus my best runes on my pvp units atm my good runes are all over the place.

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but since you told me to ignore def i will just build up my offenses and ignore them for now.

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 12:05 PM

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80-90% wr in a g1 guild is pretty good

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you may want to start doing some proper def

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so you can do:

chandra liu mei tesa
clara manon +1 (jx9 help me)

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those are 2 real defs you can do, if you want one more you can focus on carc triana vigor

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 12:09 PM

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how does clara manon odin work? Odin does not rly get stacks no?

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 12:09 PM

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oh sorry, maybe not odin

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it's clara manon +1, lemme think what can that +1 be

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sorry I guess I'm not good enough to help you yet, I'm thinking around domi/feng/diana/light dice but can't decide

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you can ping advisors like jx9

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 12:28 PM

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nova creek you can ping advisors like jx9

is it ok to ping randomly like this?

nova creek Jul 23, 2024, 12:28 PM

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yes

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 12:29 PM

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@gray forge im not sure what to write here but i assume we need help in finding the 3th monster for a siege def with Clara(L) + Manon + X

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some of my not build nat 5 if there are usefull, but i dont think so

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 1:24 PM

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like fam was saying focus on one thing at a time

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do you want to work on arena or siege

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if you want to work on siege, let's do them 1 at a time. start with your best siege def or whichever def you want to be your best. is it this clara manon +1?

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 1:41 PM

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gray forge if you want to work on siege, let's do them 1 at a time. start with your best si...

that is why i am asking, what are my best option in terms of defense teams for siege/wbk/arena. I want to know where i should put my best runes. I tried to great some defenses and wanted to know if they are good or what monsters i should replace / do i have better option in general.
IMO my best defs would be only 4* defs in siege and i cant rly do a great 5* def for siege/wgb.

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Chandra (L), Liu Mei, Tesarion, would be the best 5* probably but i dont know.

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 1:46 PM

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people worry way too much about specific def combinations and not nearly enough about how to rune them

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as long as you have all the basic requirements for a def - spd lead, stripper, def break, etc - it will be fine

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chandra liu mei tesa is great. show builds or how you would rune them

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we'll start there

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 1:56 PM

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gray forge chandra liu mei tesa is great. show builds or how you would rune them

is it fine if i build them first in rta just so i dont have to swap around runes for mana?

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and you can take a look if its alright or not

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 1:59 PM

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yes

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you can also just show builds in regular rune manager without confirming

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oh and do you have all 3 of those units skilled?

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:08 PM

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gray forge oh and do you have all 3 of those units skilled?

yes, all 3 are max skilled

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-water on tesarion properly better right? but i doubt i could tank a covenant with it.

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:21 PM

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gray forge yes

gonna ping once more, since i dont know if you otherwise see the new msg. Sry never used this threat thing before.

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tesarion seems to be 1 spd to slow for the next spd tick, could be fixed with a better grind on a rune.

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 2:32 PM

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these builds aren't bad

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you're right about tesa being 1 off tick

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although i'd go even further and tune him to go before chandra rather than last

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also not a fan of cd chandra, i don't feel like the extra dmg is worth the loss in tankiness especially since chandra is almost always targeted first if attacker is going to bruiser you

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artis need some work, or maybe some more thought at least

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-wind on chandra is fine but you should do better than just a blue arti

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you can be more aggressive for tesa and liu mei, for example you can do +wind on tesa

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and liu mei can just be completely add dmg, especially try to get some add dmg by spd

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:35 PM

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will make some changes and msg you again

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ty for your help

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:47 PM

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gray forge these builds aren't bad

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 2:47 PM

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looks really good

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can move on to next def now

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:49 PM

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gray forge can move on to next def now

Cracno (L), Triana, Vigor? Or something else, like i said im not sure what are my best option for defs. I would prefer 5* defs since i can also use them in wgb.

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 2:49 PM

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you can still use 4* defs in wgb 🙂

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its really up to you

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carc triana vigor is fine

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wait what rank is your guild

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:50 PM

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g1

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 2:50 PM

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ok because your rune quality is way past g1

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if you just want to chill thats fine and carc triana vigor was fine

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was going to say that if you wanted to actually try a bit and join a real guild then we can look at some other defs not carc triana vigor

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:51 PM

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gray forge was going to say that if you wanted to actually try a bit and join a real guild ...

i want to switch to a higher guild, but my account is not that old yet and im still not sure how much harder g2 for example would be.

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i played on my old acc some years ago, and never did anything past g1 guild content.

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 2:52 PM

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it'll be a knowledge thing

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your account is way past g3

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siege and arena/rta rankings are way different

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g3 siege is not high siege

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anyway my point is if you're trying to learn siege from the beginning and will stay in g1 for a bit

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carc vigor triana is more than fine

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because those units you can use on offense regardless

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:56 PM

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what defense would you then advice me to build/rune when i wanted to get more into siege. At the same time i would still need to rune up a arena defense. Your helpful helper fam suggested Clara, Manon, triana, camilla. Would be best if i could reuse some off these in siege.

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 2:56 PM

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but if you want to make better meta defs you have better options like fiona truffle etc

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those units though will not be usable on offense with their siege def builds

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:57 PM

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gray forge but if you want to make better meta defs you have better options like fiona truf...

you mean fiona, truffle, eshir as a def?

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 2:57 PM

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something like that yea

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:57 PM

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not sure but i feel like there are so many fiona + eshir + x defs

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not sure what is good

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 2:57 PM

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again don't worry about exact comps

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it covers all the basics it will work

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runes are what matters and thats the distinction im making here, i consider fiona truffle eshir a lot more advanced because if you make that def, those same units on those def runes will not be usable on offense

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:58 PM

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gray forge runes are what matters and thats the distinction im making here, i consider fion...

yeah i have only 1 truffle and i am using im in a offense team

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 2:59 PM

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whereas all 3 of carc triana vigor on def builds are usable on offense

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 2:59 PM

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gray forge whereas all 3 of carc triana vigor on def builds are usable on offense

so i should still just build up those for the sage off offense and as a neat bonus i get a decent/ok def?

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 3:00 PM

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something like that yea

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 3:01 PM

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Is the Arena Def Clara, Manon, triana, camilla fine? Is there a team a could use manon in for a siege def? Since i would need to skill her up and i dont rly want to waste devils for a arena def only unit.

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 3:01 PM

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valid zenith Is the Arena Def Clara, Manon, triana, camilla fine? Is there a team a could use...

yes that is fine

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you can use manon on siege def too

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in fact you can use all 4 of those units on siege def

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 3:04 PM

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gray forge in fact you can use all 4 of those units on siege def

i would rune up this arena def and send you them and maybe you can tell me where to improve them.
Also what is the common manon build? Is it SPD/CR/DEF or just SPD/DEF/DEF or even SPD/HP/DEF?

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also violent + destroy right?

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or violent/will?

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 3:04 PM

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either vio destroy or vio will are ok

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all of those mentioned builds are ok too just up to you what types of offenses you want to try to counter more

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 3:05 PM

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gray forge all of those mentioned builds are ok too just up to you what types of offenses y...

will rune them up and send them in here, ty once more you are a big help.

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 3:24 PM

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@gray forge if i cant get my clara to Combat speed 358 = 4 Ticks should i just go for a despair/violent clara on the next slower tick rate?

gray forge Jul 23, 2024, 3:25 PM

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ticks don't matter for swift units

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you either put clara on your fastest swift set

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or you make her despair/vio

valid zenith Jul 23, 2024, 3:26 PM

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gray forge you either put clara on your fastest swift set

i need my fastes/use my fastes set for kabilla for my AO. Also many of my other fast swift sets are on my tiana also for AO. So i just go despair/vio?